balance

[royal zenith]

oh yeah weekend

[sweet patio]

hey im playing balance in keys range 10-13, should i go elune or keeper ? :)à

[maiden pasture]

#notmyexpert

[lofty depot]

if the adds are living an extended period of time ec iis fine

u can play which ever u want tho

[formal crest]

You’d fix that atrocious mog first. Bald

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[lofty depot]

fire chicken > stupid mogs

[formal crest]

No thanks

[maiden pasture]

glyph of stars > any chicken form

[formal crest]

Yes

[pseudo merlin]

wrong

[formal crest]

No maya is right

You’re bald

[pseudo merlin]

yes

and right

What I lack in hair, I make up for in wisdom

[exotic perch]

wrong

if you want to play the chicken you must look like a dumb chicken

[pseudo merlin]

based

[exotic perch]

its part of the fantasy

[errant flint]

I have another question: given I know sim dps result is an average dps and basically done in a low/no movement vacuum. Does that apply to boomy as well in sim dps results? Trying to work on my dps for the best output I can give. I know other factors like movement and staying alive are factored into achieving that on a raid boss for example.

[obsidian jetty]

It'll be very hard to accurately compare yourself to sim.

[errant flint]

Why is that?

Like when I /simc top gear etc

[obsidian jetty]

the sim is an avg over alot of pulls of different RNG, your single pull has 1 "seed" of rng

[pseudo merlin]

Open your sim and look at variance

You'll see why it wont map onto one single result

[errant flint]

Such as the confidence level 95%> or in the html report area?

[pseudo merlin]

html report

[errant flint]

Ah ok ty

[obsidian jetty]

it's something you can shoot for sure, but you will never be able to say "oh yea, I did what the sim did this time!" without actually knowing the exact rng of the avg of your sim and compare that with your log to see if it's exactly the same rng (it won't be)

[errant flint]

Ah ok bc the spec Im coming from BM raid (MM keys but BM for this conversation) even with its some rng of barb shot procs and cobra shot etc I have the best opportunity to achieve my avg sim dps even with full movement.

Was unsure if both specs functioned the same way in sims

[shrewd pivot]

the control of the dream bug that happens when you die in raid, does that happen in keys too

[errant flint]

I will check out the html report though

[pseudo merlin]

Either way I just don't think it's very productive

[obsidian jetty]

has nothin to do with raid, so yea. I forget the exact conditions, but it's something to do with dying while the CDs are active or something idr

[shrewd pivot]

but there is no way to fix it in keys right

[obsidian jetty]

probably not, just zoning out and swapping talent

which would be silly

[shrewd pivot]

that kinda sucks

[obsidian jetty]

yea, just gotta cry more on forums til they fix it. Been in the game for awhile

they don't see it as a priority

[pseudo merlin]

fixing bugs doesnt make you money

[pseudo merlin]

like this is my MM alt lol

procure some logs and people will see if there are any things you can do to improve

[errant flint]

Oh MM has some of the most craziest rng right now.

[frank ridge]

the compendium is telling me to buy BIS from the dinnars, does it persists for the heroic version? or should I craft my staff instead?

[errant flint]

In simulationcraft.org its near top 5 I believe (DR only) rng procs

[pseudo merlin]

only mythic

[frank ridge]

ok cool, so it is best to get a stave in vault/craft then right?

[pseudo merlin]

yeah

[frank ridge]

kk thanks

[pseudo merlin]

just not the mechagon one

[pallid bay]

It doesn't break in keys

[pallid bay]

It's about your cd resetting when you wipe to a raidboss

[obsidian jetty]

I was infact wrong then

[civic junco]

Does anyone know what the in-game Icon ID for Elune's Chosen is?

[vital hound]

5740021

[finite sail]

I apologize if this has been asked but is ther a tracker WA for the dryad yet? ideally with dmg stored up and timer but timer alone is fine if it exists

[civic junco]

I love you

Oh that's very interesting. When I try to call it in a weak aura, it calls all of them:

[vital hound]

[pseudo merlin]

@scenic mist

ran mythic first

so it can indeed drop from each difficulty individually

[dense gust]

guessing people will expect you to be at like ilvl 695+ full champ(s3) from delves/m0 and some 1-3 pcs of heroics to for first reset of m+10 or something next season?

how uptight are ppl on season starts neways

[pseudo merlin]

super uptight

[severe hollow]

for pugs as dps in the first week? likely max gear

[pseudo merlin]

very scary

Or like

Find people to play with and do +10s in current gear

Difference between this game sucking ass and being amazing basically always comes down to whether or not you have (likeminded) people to play with

[lofty depot]

https://wago.io/OiBalancePTR

[lofty depot]

thats not generally how seasons starts

and u could always just post ur key

[thick vortex]

I’ve Been testing out KOTG on ptr for some keys, what are your thoughts on our new tier sett for next season?

[lofty depot]

thats its gonna get nerfed

and we will have different thoughts before aug 5

so my thoughts now are useless

[thick vortex]

I kinda feel like a fire mage when incarn is down, its Odd to play

[lofty depot]

u do more damage outside of incarn than a fire mage does outside of combust

sure the % of total damage is far lower in comparison but u have a reward for doing it properly

[thick vortex]

That is true, but difference in dmg with and without incarn is massive

Tho incarn Windows are juicy

[meager storm]

bro

we already got gutted

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/20752555112-datamined-class-tuning-changes-in-build-23194/

[meager storm]

[lofty depot]

i will not be trolled

[meager storm]

u clicked it

thats enough

[lofty depot]

well how THE FUCK ELSE WOULD I SEE THE INFORMATION

[thick vortex]

How would they even nerf it without gutting it?

[lofty depot]

1% for your total damage, capped to 5m

change the where the damage is calculated/added

[thick vortex]

Yyooyoy remove that

Dont give them ideas

Forget that i asked

[lofty depot]

i mean

the faster they nerf it the faster it can be balanced

[vital hound]

[calm ibex]

Bold of you do assume they’ll balance

[lofty depot]

well we are balance

[calm ibex]

Not balanced

[lofty depot]

we are THE balance

[hollow mist]

true

[calm ibex]

True

If we were there where would the balanced classes sit

We are what they balance on

[stone ledge]

arms warrior

[lofty depot]

see were balanced and everyone else is op

[delicate perch]

We’re balanced (everyone has to be above us)

[wild dune]

if you're on the bottom there's nowhere to go but up

[wicked shuttle]

If chaos brand got buffed by 5% we’d be broken

[obsidian jetty]

[nova ocean]

God I hope we get rid of raid buffs next expansion

[limber terrace]

thanks for the help earlier . was able to get 3 mythic kills and some loots

is there a recommned 4 pieces of tier to use or doesnt really matter which 4?

[obsidian jetty]

depends on your stats, just a sim question

rn I'm wearing all 5

[limber terrace]

ok thanks

[true viper]

ggs

[proven grove]

why does dev evoker always do so much in raid

[hardy siren]

Anyone out here have builds for 11.2 M+

[calm ibex]

Scales well

EHEHEHEHE

[lofty depot]

can use the one in compendium

can drop ui and maybe like shroom or crashing star for foe and rm maybe

its ptr, go test some shit

[shy void]

true

[rich jewel]

Chrono aug using 2p2p over mythic send help, jereico wont

[wicked shuttle]

Log on dev

[rich jewel]

Disintegrate worst spender in wow

[hardy siren]

just having a hard time finding what to play KOTG or elune

[lofty depot]

well go test them

that do be what ptr is for

[hardy siren]

for sure

thanks.

[shy void]

test your might

[hollow mist]

nice one nice one nice one

[dry hare]

Hello, which talent can I unpick for this one (M+)? I played a while with this and I totally love the awesome spam of Starfall I can do with this.

[calm ibex]

You do not run that talent

I mean you can if you want to

But it’s pretty shit

[dry hare]

But why? 😩 It's so much fun

[calm ibex]

Numbers

[dry hare]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/shRWndFA8oRKhZ976g7E1K
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7VcohWjVfEKnoGrjERThk2

5 bosses 1,5 min

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8Ki4c59ee8sJSs9WVNmcQ9
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pArSmsso47jEjgkFXDCpkf

I what AoE scenario is that other talent better than Astral Communion?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5PzheTHAiuZ8S8uHsLGhXP
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wHA9LQJUoNo9FXwsazpBdH

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jspLCEw6SiaEjkjVVDuWRT
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rr1VHKyysWjArDmVqUfkg9

[calm ibex]

I’m not saying to send numbers

I’m saying that talent doesn’t do much and you’re better off running something else

Just follow the talents in the compendium in the pins

[dry hare]

Well.. all sims I did said the talent is better than the one 'all' druids pick on Archon

[calm ibex]

I can’t tell if you’re trolling

[dry hare]

Why?

[calm ibex]

The sims are telling you not to run it

[dry hare]

What?

Every single sims sais it's better

[calm ibex]

Trolling used to be believable. Either you’re mixed up or trolling

Every sim you sent says running something else is simming higher for you

[dry hare]

Oh wait

Yeah forget about it I mixed the two up

[calm ibex]

Mhmm

It’s not a good talent, it’s the one talent we literally never use under any circumstance

If you like it. Use it

But you’re not going to do the most dps you can do

[dry hare]

Sad 😦 And this won't change with 11.2?

[calm ibex]

Not to my knowledge

[scenic mist]

Gz little firebird

[pseudo merlin]

also every single scenario you simmed there is a meme

[teal minnow]

What we always fight five bosses for a min, look at vault of incarnafes council

[pseudo merlin]

10 too

[dry hare]

This is a common scenario to sim M+ trash fights.

[pseudo merlin]

it is not

[dry hare]

Well for warriors it is. Go ask there.
And as we all play the same game this should work for every other dps spec.

[pseudo merlin]

That's not how it works

[royal zenith]

You use MDT sims for M+ situations

[pseudo merlin]

At all

The logic there is beyond stupid

[spice roost]

its dependent on spec and what is supported in simc by the simcdevs for that spec

[dry hare]

Sure. For different specs you take different fight lengths depending on CD lengths.

[spice roost]

it isnt supported that way though for boomie

so u do mdt sim for mythic plus for bamkin

[royal zenith]

Okay but it not being supported is just straight up not true

Dungeon slice is not supported

[spice roost]

i mean i shouldve said not optimal

[dry hare]

This.
It's closer to 'reallity' than Dungeon Slice so we take it.

[royal zenith]

No that's also wrong

MDT sims for M+ situations

[teal minnow]

Not for balance. Balance is 99% 1 boss 5 min. The 1% is for mdt and a classic 5 targets 1min vibe check

[royal zenith]

patchwerk for any other info you hope to get

but simming a sustained 10+ fight for 1 minute is not realistic, at all

It would be better to just sim ST and swap to AOE talents even

[dry hare]

Maybe but to check if one talent is better than another it should do well.

[royal zenith]

You're being stubborn

[obsidian jetty]

if you do multiple different fight style sims like that you will have to aggregate and average the results your self based on a dungeon's pulls. But at that point you should just do a MDT sim.

[spice roost]

who even works on the boomkin apl

just curious

[royal zenith]

Gamz, Oi, others

[spice roost]

3 people

?

[royal zenith]

You already knew this

you've been here for a while

and you always ask questions about the APL

[spice roost]

i actually dont know all who works on it

[teal minnow]

Assume saeldur is somewhere in there as he seems to do everyone's apl

[obsidian jetty]

https://github.com/dreamgrove/dreamgrove/commits/master/sims/owl

[royal zenith]

but it's w.e.

[spice roost]

ty

[spice roost]

i see arctic is rubbing off on u

[royal zenith]

Not really

I'm being neutral

[pseudo merlin]

the apl wasnt written?

what have we been doing all this time

[spice roost]

that was for a ptr ya

at the time

[teal minnow]

Averaging everyone's else's and then using a basic rng library to determine how much sandbagging to do

[pseudo merlin]

based

[royal zenith]

that's warlocks

[spice roost]

true

[royal zenith]

pov: bamkins doing over 6 mil ST on PTR gapping the 2nd spec

not a lot of good sandbagging there!!

[teal minnow]

True, but also its to handle tettles' dooming

[royal zenith]

that's real

[obsidian jetty]

this don't look like sandbaggin to me

[teal minnow]

Warlocks have sael trying to get believers that rain of fire in St is the play

[spice roost]

looks like heavy nerfs inc

[royal zenith]

I mean sael is a goat

so I hope he gets them to believe it

[pseudo merlin]

why is frost using my colors

im so confused

[teal minnow]

They want you to reroll / they want to be bald

[royal zenith]

I think that's recruities darkmode fucking up the excel

[obsidian jetty]

my darkmode plugin just inverts the colors there

this is without plugin

[pseudo merlin]

ah

so

[spice roost]

i dont think it would matter considering the tuning of destro vs demo and the raid profile atm

[pseudo merlin]

where my rets at

I saw some number below 3m

🙂

[royal zenith]

I was kidding there

[spice roost]

kk

[royal zenith]

know nothing about warlocks atm

[glossy jungle]

they gonna get knee jerked back up to omega status. quote me

[royal zenith]

are you playing ret per chance...

@ g

[glossy jungle]

no im not retrded

[royal zenith]

👀

[spice roost]

lol

[glossy jungle]

ret

@bolas is though

man's doomed

[pseudo merlin]

ret will just do the same as last tier

and the tier before

and the tier before

be complete and utter dogshit the entire duration of prog

then get like 1-3% buffs post prog

until 2 months post prog its insanely good

and then because of that it will start next tier at dogshit status again

🙂

[obsidian jetty]

yea, but it's good at burst aoe in M+ and when alot of ppl are dying around you in raid, so it has to be shit everywhere else

[pseudo merlin]

well not at burst aoe

its just that we dont have cds

and maybe our aoe per cd interval of 30 seconds is a bit on the high side (it is)

[obsidian jetty]

yea you're coping

[pseudo merlin]

but yeah for years everyon has been saying to delete instruments of retribution from the game

it's ruining balancing and it's so obvious

[obsidian jetty]

ret presses 2 buttons and hits for like 20-30mil per target

pulls aggro every mob

and dies

[pseudo merlin]

yeah the damage is frontloaded

But its not like real burst damage

you dont have cds

[obsidian jetty]

this sounds like semantics

[pseudo merlin]

Sure if you want to get into what burst means

Compare it to classes with actual cds

you're not keeping up

But if you break down your dmg per short cd window to theirs over the same duration its probably higher, and that's a problem

its just super noticeable in any non title key, esp pugs, cuz it doesnt matter what your tank does

at the same time youre also a class without real utility

spec*

[royal zenith]

I dunno, one of your main damage abilities stuns undead mobs!!

[pseudo merlin]

true

[royal zenith]

you also need to be specific about utility though

[pseudo merlin]

30 sec aoe stun is op

[royal zenith]

cause sac and bop are insanely powerful

[pseudo merlin]

It's insanely insanely insanely niche stuff

compared to real utility that brings value almost everywhere

[royal zenith]

sure, but I think you're referring to stops and crowdcontrol

[pseudo merlin]

what are you using sac for other than playing with a boomie

[royal zenith]

which they do lack

[pseudo merlin]

blinding light is a meme

there's no group value damage amp or reduction

i mean devo?

ig

ret needs spellwarding and aura mastery

[royal zenith]

they really don't

[pseudo merlin]

😠

wrong

[teal minnow]

Ret classic, they're just asserting dominance, pro rets know to bubble first

[pseudo merlin]

But are we making a boomie neighbourhood or

[faint light]

wtf is this the light's chapel discord?

[royal zenith]

ban all rets

[pseudo merlin]

Saying ret doesn't need real utility or a raid buff is like saying boomie doesn't need defensives

smh

just go bear form

just press bop on 1 thing in 1 dungeon every 3 seasons

[royal zenith]

unkillable plate class crying for more defensives

that's wild

[pseudo merlin]

you know ret is like not even close to the tankiest plate right

[royal zenith]

very specific in your wording

[pseudo merlin]

youre thinking of dragonflight

[royal zenith]

cause if you compare it to dk every plate class sucks..

[pseudo merlin]

warlock is tankier

mage is tankier

dk is tankier

[faint light]

are u guys ok?

[royal zenith]

Im just riling up ravec

its working

[pseudo merlin]

i just want ret to not be shit for 1 fucking tier

i just want to play the game

[faint light]

got some old man yells at cloud energy

bro then go and tell the ret discord

[pseudo merlin]

why

they already know

what's the point of telling people who already know

Boomies and rets are in the same boat

[faint light]

go and tell your girlfriend then

we good here homie

[pseudo merlin]

Always shit defensively and always shit offensively

Gotta stick together

[faint light]

yeah boomie has had heaps of trouble this tier lol

[pseudo merlin]

It seems like you're actually upset though

I think you need to take your 10 message history opinions somewhere else and not dictate what people are allowed to do here during moments where chat is dead and nobody is actively seeking on-topic help

[faint light]

yikes

[pseudo merlin]

Like you're not part of the "we"

[scenic mist]

i like your newly found fire feather energy

[pseudo merlin]

.

[faint light]

bro don't segregate me

[pseudo merlin]

Let me rephrase, you're speaking for yourself

[obsidian jetty]

I side with sin. Frick rets

[pseudo merlin]

[faint light]

New Achievement: You've figured out how a conversation works!

Reward? Social interaction!

[scenic mist]

legit the only beard i like on this new bommy form

[pseudo merlin]

its a good beard

[scenic mist]

but idk, i kinda love the OG form

[pseudo merlin]

I just hate the new form

its bad

[scenic mist]

the movement

[pseudo merlin]

I finally figured it out though I think

[scenic mist]

is horrid

[copper salmon]

dumb question, what changed from dragonflight, where you don't need packs living for 45s?

[scenic mist]

they walk too fast

[pseudo merlin]

the new form walks faster

the old form moves its feet very slowly

its way better to make it look not so goofy

[scenic mist]

you also wanted that in DF

[royal zenith]

ramptime always been an issue

it's just now specifically mentioned in that wowhead guide

[pseudo merlin]

Partially due to how many globals you spend on dotting every pull

[dense gust]

regrowth should get the holy nova talent treatment. +10% stacking boost every 2 seconds, up to 20. consumed when used

[obsidian jetty]

pulsar took about 40-45seconds to build up, so you'd ideally want pulsar for the start of every pull you didn't already have CDs available for

[pseudo merlin]

you gain more value from that the longer combat lasts afterwards since dots are pretty much perma extended by SF

[pseudo merlin]

im down with this

[copper salmon]

that's a screenshot of df s4

[scenic mist]

yeah well you still want that

45s+ pull

i mean, the longer the better

[pseudo merlin]

btw use the compendium, not wowhead

[copper salmon]

this doesn't say 45s anymore

[copper salmon]

why not wowhead?

[pseudo merlin]

compendium is better and more up to date

has more people working on it

[scenic mist]

this

[pseudo merlin]

can be changed without problems

white tape

[scenic mist]

[pseudo merlin]

red tape?

idk what kind of tape

no tape

[royal zenith]

secret tape

[pseudo merlin]

😏

Worth the loss

[scenic mist]

🫃

[pseudo merlin]

average druid enjoyer

[scenic mist]

😡

[pseudo merlin]

Probably one of @loud kettle 's people

[scenic mist]

one day

[pseudo merlin]

wdym one day

youre 15 years late buddy

get fucked

[scenic mist]

can still highroll a bm container

spending 300k a day for this shit

[pseudo merlin]

oof youre one of those

how do you like your throne of thunder epics

[scenic mist]

you're damn right i am

i'm actually getting a lot of mounts, but none i dont yet have tho

had a nice tabard too

[severe hollow]

prolly cheaper to find it in the bmah at one point and just drop 10m

[scenic mist]

i aint fast enough

[pseudo merlin]

lmao

do people insta max bid or

how much is max now

[scenic mist]

they do

[pseudo merlin]

15m?

[scenic mist]

10

[pseudo merlin]

oh that aint even bad

they should raise it to 100m

cowards

[scenic mist]

but you can bid less than that cause to outbid you have to go 10%+ over

[scenic mist]

your char cant carry more than 10

100 is for warbank

[pseudo merlin]

they should raise it to 100m

[severe hollow]

isnt it 50? warbank

[pseudo merlin]

problem solved

[severe hollow]

but could remember wrong

[scenic mist]

maybe

more than 10 anyway

[severe hollow]

yea warbank takes more than gbank

for some reason

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/to-war-saruman-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-gif-16155441

@severe hollow explain this pls

[severe hollow]

[scenic mist]

[obsidian jetty]

[royal zenith]

[pseudo merlin]

[halcyon siren]

[obsidian tapir]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aPZSnwMrSNHRe2Q65XedqmFN4-8P0NlK4Bx03vaxclA/edit?gid=1114211573#gid=1114211573

who ever wants to see the logs for ptr mythic

[burnt idol]

hello boomkins can someone explain the bug that boomies had on PTR that caused them to giga blast ? I have a friend who refuses to believe they were bugged for some reason and it's driving me insane x.x
Thank you

[obsidian jetty]

It's mostly just overtuned. Blizz just slapped some strong set together

our 2p is bugged in the sense that it does nothing

so we should be doing more dam

[burnt idol]

oh ok fair enough then

[scenic mist]

Well the 5 dryad surge cast were (wrongly) affected by an existing dryad’s favor buff so you’d have 5+2 buffed surges instead of 2

[obsidian jetty]

Idk if i'd consider that a bug

similar to nature's swiftness giving voke 100% buffed regrowths without consuming the buff

[mental swallow]

probably a stupid question but new to balance. On 2 boss fights i.e first boss mecha or 2nd boss flood is it basically dots, star fall/fire and 2 x wrath for eclipse

[lucid olive]

Assuming you're elune's chosen yes

[hushed mauve]

When are the nerfs coming?

[lucid olive]

Who knows

Probably next PTR build, so Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday depending on when they push it

[hard wyvern]

Calling the change now

Starsurge is too much of our damage breakdown
-5% starsurge
+8% wrath

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-stare-disappointed-gif-13848065843414333862

[maiden pasture]

fixes nothing

[stray cedar]

Hey guys good suggestion of platers to track the dots efficiently ?

Havent find one i'm satisfied with yet

also weakaura if better

[vague solstice]

Is circes circlet worth getting on an alt I haven’t done it on at this point?

[quiet drift]

Why not

Free loot

[little latch]

I use Atrocity’s plater profile. One dot will turn the font color of the mob’s name green, both dots turns the font color blue.

[obsidian jetty]

it'll be replaced next month, but if you plan on doing stuff now then sure, it's not that rough to get juiced up

[stray cedar]

Thanks will look into it, available on wagio ?

[little latch]

It’s a paid subscription. I also have a weakaura I got from petko. I’ll dm you

[scenic mist]

Yeah but that’s the point
Blizzard has no clue

[stray cedar]

Thanks !

[drifting nova]

reporting to blizzard as we speak gg

[little latch]

I sent him the weakaura

Not the atrocity profile.

[true fjord]

Hey guys just trying my luck but i lost my WAs which included an AP bar that sparkles inside the bar instead of outside when its capping out - by chance anyone knows which AP bar is this on wago?

[past furnace]

Do someone have a good Keeper Build for PTR M+?

[frozen patio]

what is the best trinket combo for m+ in ptr guys?

[hushed mauve]

Could you dm that to me as well please

[lofty depot]

Just look atrocity... Or tbf use jundies plater instead

[lofty depot]

No one has Sims.... It's PTR test some shit

Araz and Lily are good prob

[lofty depot]

U can use the one in the compendium, maybe swap around shrooms and ui at the bottom for foe/rm. It's PTR go test some shit

[lofty depot]

Why r we capping to see sparkles stop that

Idk if Oi's does that, I assume it's one of the few ap bars, but I just use Oi's

[fervent merlin]

Oi pack gives more dps

Simmed it

[lofty depot]

Has nothing to do with base surge . Nerfing it 5% when the buff does 50x that is dumb

[lofty depot]

W

[scenic mist]

YEAH THATS THE POINT

blizzard is clueless

the joke was "next tuning will be crappy cause blizzard is stupid"

[quiet drift]

I mean them nerfing the base dmg of the Dryad was already a clueless nerf

[scenic mist]

^

[lucid olive]

idk what the best way to fix the tier set is either

without like fundamentally changing how the ability works

which they might do who knows

[fervent merlin]

U kno the rework coming soon

[lucid olive]

its not unprecedented for blizzard to massively change a script right before release

they did it with enhance like twice in last 2 weeks before season 1

[fervent merlin]

Still got a few weeks too so could be soon

[lucid olive]

and at the end of PTR cycles during season 1

[fervent merlin]

Yea at at least enhanc still was top

[lucid olive]

yeah cause they had no clue what made it good

[fervent merlin]

Repeat cycles blizz

[scenic mist]

i bet they dont either

[lucid olive]

i assume they know that the entering bear form shit is not good

what else they're gonna do after that is up to them

[scenic mist]

why having the cap being based of of maxhp then

[lucid olive]

didn't win dev roulette

they're not gonna just blanket nerf Starsurge

cause thatd make EC garbage too

maybe blanket nerf Starsurge and then buff wrath and starfire lol

[fervent merlin]

Yeah can’t do that

They gotta rework it

Or just let it rock

Which isn’t normal either

[lucid olive]

idk theres no way they let this slide

[fervent merlin]

Haven’t played it

But is it crazier than frenzy was

[lucid olive]

yes

and infinitely more cringe

[fervent merlin]

Bear form stuff is super super cringe

[hard wyvern]

Crit or don’t :^)

[lucid olive]

casting Starfall to not spend the buff after ramp while waiting for the buff to almost fall off and then treants+incarn to spend them inside cooldowns again

just not very fun

[hard wyvern]

I don’t mind it as much as o thought I would

I do hope they make the star surge bonus damage a separate component which can’t crit

And balance around that

That would be much healthier

[lucid olive]

yeah i enjoy casting Starfall on single target for 40 seconds waiting for the buff to almost expire before i spend it

[hard wyvern]

Well it’s like 30 seconds and only like 6 star fals

[fervent merlin]

I did like eclipse ignoring wrath spam tho

Starfall in ST is lame tho

[lucid olive]

nah, buff lasts 45 seconds, treants have 45s cd cause you play bounteous

[hard wyvern]

Buff application 10s after incarn

[lucid olive]

yes you spend the starsurge as your first 2 globals in incarn

you incarn as the buff is about to expire, incarn and spend the starsurges, then treants during your incarn and either carry your new buff to a 3rd round of incarn or spend it inside treants at the end

[lofty depot]

The cap doesn't matter if it's a flat 5m

Doesn't change th problem

[lucid olive]

and do the same later

having a cap at all is an issue

your gameplay will just always end up being "what can i do to most efficiently hit the cap while still having dmg increase effects to spend the buff"

the issue is in how it pools damage

[fervent merlin]

Just give us pulsar back

[lucid olive]

zzzzz

[tropic yew]

when is it good to use Best in slots and House of cards?

[scenic mist]

during CA ideally

HoC prio over BIS

[tropic yew]

is there a macro that lets me CA with HoC and after with BiS?

[lucid olive]

you're better off having BiS on its own keybind

and then macro CA to HoC

[true fjord]

thanks! checking it out

[pallid bay]

not necessarily, the original dmg values could have been clueless

or they hadnt really expressed or fully thought what the point of it should be

or they are just clueless..

[lofty depot]

More spawns that give damage buffs yeayeyayeyayeyaywya

[tropic yew]

#Showtooltip Incarnation: Chosen of Elune
/ use Incarnation: Chosen of Elune
/ use House of Cards

what's rong with this macro?

it's not working

ah it's the capital S

[lofty depot]

U have a space before / use

U also don't need it to say anything in the tooltip if u have the CD at the first line

/cast [@cursor] Celestial Alignment

[tropic yew]

the capital S was the problem

[lucid olive]

#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor] Celestial Alignment
/cast Nature's Vigil
/use 13

[lofty depot]

Can't wait for u to not use trinket on CA press but on trees press

[lucid olive]

on PTR i just natty use trinket without macro

[lofty depot]

Well yea cuz gamer

I'm talking about the frogs

[tropic yew]

is there a weakaura that beep every time I cap Astral Power?

[lofty depot]

useless because u shouldnt be capped

if u were to do one woujld make it at like 90%

but i dont htink any of the main ones do it naturally u would have to add it to one

[tropic yew]

Yeah an aura that beeps at 90% would help

[lofty depot]

should just be more perceptive and look down a bit more

[plucky valley]

I don’t think a wa like that would be a good idea

Mostly because you should already be watching your ap bar and getting a feel for how fast it’ll fill in any given scenario

[gilded arch]

is there a weakaura to track the dryads buff?

mine doesnt seem to work

[lucid olive]

https://wago.io/SdmPUO728

theres one in here

can yoink it

[gilded arch]

love you, thanks

[gilded arch]

are we allowed to talk ptr stuff in here? got a question if someone is up to date

[lofty depot]

we talk about lunch in here

[gilded arch]

hm i havent had lunch yet

[lofty depot]

ask question > ask to ask question

[gilded arch]

check

do we hold CA on the ptr for the dryads favor buff? and if yes, am i doing something wrong for only being able to fit 3 CA's with the buff

[lofty depot]

there are 2 ways of doing it

recruitie was doing it no techy stuff and sending the buffs at the end of ca and doing good

but yea 3 cas is kinda the limit of floating the buff

[gilded arch]

i see, thank you

was wondering because i thought i read somewhere that youd want it to stack "endlessly" high

[lofty depot]

u cant stack it endlessly

ca is 100s the buff lasts 45 seconds

[gilded arch]

yea i figured

[lucid olive]

well what are you having

[lofty depot]

well clearly nothing

[gilded arch]

let me google a translation for one option

ok google says potato noodles in german theyre called Schupfnudeln, with sauerkraut and sausage\

either that or i order some pizza

[lofty depot]

german isnt a real language

[gilded arch]

unfortunately i think it is

[lucid olive]

if you capitalize every noun you are not a real language

sorry

[gilded arch]

didnt know that was a rule, you can just decide to not use Gross- und Kleinschreibung

[lofty depot]

its funny german language my surname just means brewer

[gilded arch]

common theme around here to be fair

[lofty depot]

yessem

[quick cairn]

Do we always wait for incarn before pressing fury of elune, or do you just send the third one since it's out of sync?

If you play with Whirling stars

[lofty depot]

r u talking live or

[quick cairn]

Yes

[lofty depot]

generally speaking u want to have foe for incarn yes

u dont lose anything by holding incarn if u dont have 2 stacks

[scenic mist]

@pseudo merlin

[lofty depot]

generally speaking u should be using cds at the start of a pack

[quick cairn]

Okey, so you rather hold onto it then to line up with the third one?

Yes, but I mean if I use first and second incarn with FOE

then FOE will be up before third use of incarn

do I hold it then?

[scenic mist]

send FoE on cd except if incarn is coming in like 15sec

[lofty depot]

generally u send foe

holding foe is bad (generally)

read lunation

[quick cairn]

Thanks

[glacial spindle]

We don't use stellar flare ST anymore?

[lofty depot]

not currently

we might next tier 🙂

why is my streamer below tank. buff bamkin

[nova ocean]

He's just doing the Lord's work by sandbagging for us

[pallid bay]

OiBalancePTR works as well btw

[lucid olive]

I know, but I just went to your account and copied from there

it was quicker

[tropic yew]

I made the WA that tells when you're almost capping:
https://wago.io/WA7io_4-1

[clever ibex]

Will we not be bottom of the barrel in raid next tier? Pls god

[jade flume]

its joever homie, ur a bamkins

[lofty depot]

were not bottom of the barrel current raid tier

but wont know til tuning is over

[jade flume]

bottom adjacent

[nova ocean]

I'm a bottom

[celest narwhal]

Oh?

[obsidian tapir]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6sj1mR1noM&ab_channel=izen

already people hating 😦

[lucid olive]

i mean

guys not wrong

[true viper]

https://tenor.com/view/omgbruh-corey-harris-omg-bruh-zoom-court-gif-2693074222613527227

[lofty depot]

im gonna hate on it, but cuz his blinds are open

holy fuck

[obsidian tapir]

=)))))))))))))

he looks bald because of it

and no one talks about hunters

[lofty depot]

wow hes using recruities log

hes famous

blud is only hitting 50m crits

"the most degenerate dps spec"

[teal sphinx]

@eager raft you playing hunter next tier?

So when you do good dps I can blame it on flavor of the month spec

[lucid olive]

they do talk about them you just havent seen it

[shy void]

my damage in raid always looks higher than the warcraftlogs statistics indicate. guess that's the effect of a spec being meh, and great in m+ but even easier there, and very popular

lots of people who think they can play their "easy druid alt" adding weak data points

and it still is easy

[lofty depot]

theres 20k boomkins

its possible over 15k of those boomkins are trash

[shy void]

it can just be costly to not align CDs properly with control of the dream which they don't think about in m+

[eager raft]

Yeah planning to stay on hunter

[shy void]

definitely the case with fire mage too now that you mention it but that spec is actually punishing, even more than sub rogue

at the start of the season i played in a guild with two strong fire mages and thought they were busted

now on break i'm slumming around other guilds and mostly i see frost and arcane mages

the two fire mages i've seen have been bottom of the meter excuse makers

"hold on guys my damage just looks bad because we're not reaching execute on bandit"

[lofty depot]

most mages i feel, dont like fire cuz of apm required

fire isnt hard tho

[shy void]

granted fire was also nerfed between those comparisons but they're still above arcane in statistics on more fights

[lofty depot]

most those mages should just play fire and they would play better

getting mechanics / moving is far less forgiving on arcane/frost

[shy void]

yeah i feel like if i spent 2 weeks on it i'd agree. i considered playing it next season but the spec's floor can be daunting

the mobility is big easy mode

just don't fudge up some simple combustion rules

[lofty depot]

that arcane mage is a like 3500 or w.e. io mage

and hes just not good in raid

[shy void]

i love it

good raiders tend to be fine in m+ but good m+ers can be laughably bad in raid

and i love to see them humbled

[lofty depot]

this is sprocket and its not like he was better as arcane on it either

but he wasnt good at either tbf

[shy void]

week 5 or 6 of the season i started trying sub rogue and got kicked from a heroic vexie pug for doing 400k dps because i didn't know i could use CDs on pull and get them back up for the damage amp but we wiped before the damage amp

[obsidian tapir]

yea I saw that as well =))

[shy void]

and fire mage is similar... no wonder people avoid these specs xd

[meager storm]

holy we made it to a video

[obsidian tapir]

was more refering about this guy randomly doing a video only against boomies

[meager storm]

[lofty depot]

uhh fire mage is send on cd type shit

[shy void]

yeah i mean in the sense that if you combust during a mechanic that distracts your low skill level and you mess up combustion or spend gcds on defensives or missing casts then you can do sub 1 mill

[lofty depot]

/me combusting while blinking to soak mugzee mines

[shy void]

or don't use shifting power like me

even mage's utility apm is high octane and high apm as fuck

alter time and blink past a cauldron of carnage silence pool to kick a toy and then reactivate alter time and blink and kick it again all before a moonkin can blink their eyes

but this is moonkin server let's talk about... wild charge

good spell huh

[lofty depot]

so true

[meager storm]

the real sandbaggers

[maiden pasture]

[young shuttle]

is it really common to play with just 1 embelishment like the BIS Gear list from wowhead shows?

[lofty depot]

taking advice from bis lists is dumb

but no, u should be wearing 2

[novel copper]

@lofty depot what do i fotm roll into next season help

[lofty depot]

idk

tuning still going

wait til rwf shows their strat then decide

[pallid bay]

this guy has some real bad content

[novel copper]

Fotm reroll —> play like shit —> blame arctic

[lofty depot]

just skip the 2nd part

[novel copper]

Nah that’s mandatory

[obsidian tapir]

yea... saw some of his videos and they are bad :))

[maiden pasture]

Izen is the goat of clickbaiting people to thinking certain stats means more than they do

I mean it gets him views gotta respect the grind

[lucid olive]

even the sloptubers are talking about how busted we are

[maiden pasture]

What if they just

Don't rework the set

And we just eat good

[lofty depot]

then ull see 5 boomkins in rwf

big poggy

[dense steeple]

what a dumb ad man

[vital hound]

then we'll get gutted post race

[lofty depot]

good

just in time for the midnight rework

[vital hound]

i want what you're smoking

[nova ocean]

I want watever some of these tier set designers were smoking

[teal sphinx]

I promise you, you dont

When we gonna key sheep

[vital hound]

[teal sphinx]

Surely August 12th?

[vital hound]

[teal sphinx]

[vital hound]

[lucid olive]

its golf season you won't see him outside of the course

[vital hound]

its the end of winter

you silly GOOSE

[lucid olive]

no lol its mid summer

[teal sphinx]

Just remember he is next to the upside down people

[lucid olive]

sheep is sideways

[vital hound]

great film

@hollow mist have you seen

[exotic perch]

Is someone from the land down under

[lucid olive]

yeah sheep is from austria

[errant flint]

Playing with the planner on dreamgrovegg says export mrt what is that supposed to do and look like in game?

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/vsCQW7JANmX.gif

[exotic perch]

Damn aussies

Out here enjoying winter

(Its still hot for them)

[lofty depot]

u can take those spell timings and it can put a reminder in game for u

[errant flint]

Just winter with spiders the size of pigs.

[lofty depot]

much like copying it from lorrgs

[lucid olive]

i wish i was autralian right about now

[vital hound]

nah its kinda cold

its 13 rn

[lofty depot]

could also do it manually with TR from liquid

[lucid olive]

my allergies have made me long for death the last 2 weeks

[errant flint]

Amazing since will just slap my opener on a sticky note on my monitor to remember my rotation otherwise

Id rather have this

[lucid olive]

hayfever my biggest enemy

[errant flint]

the mrt

[lofty depot]

sticky note

[errant flint]

Oh truuuu I do use LR already

[lofty depot]

is it 2008

[errant flint]

Look some of us didnt use an ipad for everything growing up lol

We had to use a pen

[lofty depot]

neither did i

[vital hound]

you'd hate it here then

hayfever takes over the land in summer

[lucid olive]

yeah i'd move here again during your summer

[maiden pasture]

did u know hayfever gets worse in cities because councils are sexist towards trees

fun fact

[lucid olive]

thats not true for where i live at all

[maiden pasture]

they dont plant female trees cause they have the plants and flowers cause thye dont want as much trash or homeless people eating em

thats the case in the uk at least

they plant more male trees and male trees release pollen

[lucid olive]

i'm specifically allergic to grass pollen so idk

what sex the tree is doesnt matter much to me

[errant flint]

Getting paid to read the entirety of dreamgrove today 🙂

[maiden pasture]

ah fair

[vital hound]

why are you having sex with trees

[lucid olive]

i can't have a witty comeback to that without it being super weird

[vital hound]

imma dm some mods

give you a lil vacation time

[lofty depot]

he already had a vacation

[vital hound]

dont they get like 10 weeks off a week in scandy land

[lofty depot]

10 weeks off a week type shit

[errant flint]

as an american what is vacation time? Im just "sick" every few months for a week.

on an island

[vital hound]

[lucid olive]

i wouldnt know i dont work

[vital hound]

[analog monolith]

i know its still ptr etc but, current build we would delay force of nature ~2secs into incarn to have their buff active when we use our 4p starsurges right? (speaking m+ build so incarn)

[lucid olive]

thats one way to play it sure

[analog monolith]

has ur or the common theorycraft (sims?) come to another conclusion?

[lofty depot]

theres no sims

so its all feelycraft

the assumption would be that 24% dam on the 2 buff surges would be how u play it

[maiden pasture]

The popular feely craft has been that you're holding the buff to your next CDs to be able to use the buffed surges to contribute to the next pool

You could take your feelycraft and apply it to the second round of CA so that you get both the first round of buffed surges and second round in the trees window

I think at least

Unsure tho

[obsidian tapir]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aPZSnwMrSNHRe2Q65XedqmFN4-8P0NlK4Bx03vaxclA/edit?gid=1269567637#gid=1269567637

new logs added from yesterday

[lofty depot]

see were not hte problem, BM hunter is

[civic junco]

I figured it out. It's saved as a texture. If you want to use the ID you have to grab the texture string, which is: talents-heroclass-druid-eluneschosen

[vital hound]

did you just not read my reply

[civic junco]

I did, but I tried the icon string and not the texture string. The numbers wont work, the letters will. I was too dumb to try the string until now

[shrewd pivot]

just change the cap with max hp, venthyr 2.0 is fun

the max hp thing needs to be nuked, it existed for demo lock tyrant before and no one liked it

[lofty depot]

recruitie wasnt doing that and doing damage

so its not even the problem

[plucky valley]

Ugh geez then what is the problem

Will blizzard ever master true balance?

[lucid olive]

no that would not be a fun game

[plucky valley]

I agree

[obsidian tapir]

1000% :))

[pallid bay]

there's too many

gatekeeping them all though

[plucky valley]

I respect that and honestly I think you should

Protect yourself

[lofty depot]

actually hes just protecting everyones mental

[pallid bay]

last time i shared it, gamz made a forum post

[lofty depot]

better that u not think about it

[lucid olive]

and i'll do it again

[plucky valley]

Lmfao

[pallid bay]

You do not want to know what I've cooked

[lofty depot]

sune be finding too much shit

need blizzord to pay him

[plucky valley]

Can’t argue with this logic. Problems I’m not aware of never seem to be a problem I’m concerned about

[vital hound]

[shrewd pivot]

we do tank damage outside that, its just venthyr boomkin but instead of raw potential from starfall its funnel

still needs to be tuned obviously

but its just hard

will be hard*

plus 1:30 instead of 3 just makes it more op/flexible

[maiden pasture]

[lofty depot]

that do be what the tier set makes our profile

the bear form thing doesnt matter

[severe hollow]

im waiting that this turns into a rat

[lofty depot]

it will likely get changed, but its still we do massive damage without it

[maiden pasture]

yeah i mean

them changing how the cap gets calculated

doesnt fix the inherent issues

[cloud plover]

are you winning

[maiden pasture]

the biggest thing they need to stop is the chaining of buffs

[maiden pasture]

no but t1 are

[cloud plover]

TRUE

3-0 ARC LETS GO

[lofty depot]

i prefer 5 games 🙂

[cloud plover]

no pls

[lofty depot]

more pogs to have

[cloud plover]

it starts at god damn 2 am

[severe hollow]

I prefer sleep

[cloud plover]

i dont wanna be up til 6 am for this shit

[maiden pasture]

if game 5s werent

the worst thinbg ever

sure

[cloud plover]

also game 5s are always jinx stomp games

[maiden pasture]

still not convinced on

fearless being great

[lofty depot]

its only 7pm is fine

[maiden pasture]

its better than before but

fearless still needs to be proven

idk if coaches have to prep for g5s more or

[cloud plover]

I want game 5s to be complete shitshows but not one sided ones

[keen relic]

what's the suggested M+ build for boomie in S3?

[maiden pasture]

there isnt one, nothing is set yet

[cloud plover]

ask again when s3 is out

[lucid olive]

change dryad duration to 8 seconds

[lofty depot]

my pizza ready when game is starting pog

[lucid olive]

change dryads favor duration to not 45 seconds

change cap to not be max HP but some other metric

[maiden pasture]

problem is, eastern teams are too good to have like LCS level brawls

[lofty depot]

8 seconds 😢

[keen relic]

wanting to test on PTR but new to boomie spec

[maiden pasture]

problem is @lucid olive does this change ANYTHING about how people play vs current moonkin

i feel like they want gameplay changes

[lofty depot]

copy the talent build from compendium

[cloud plover]

go to the pinned compendium thing and just copy there itll be good enough

dont need to be supepro optimized talents for ptr anyway

[keen relic]

compendium?

[lofty depot]

pins

[lucid olive]

it depends what you want to change from the current PTR playstyle

[cloud plover]

man u guys have it tough

[lofty depot]

hard out here for people not familiar with the internet

[cloud plover]

at least shadow priests understand the word pin

[lofty depot]

they understand FAQ aswell

[maiden pasture]

well

[lofty depot]

:/

[maiden pasture]

its probs more

[cloud plover]

sometimes they do

[maiden pasture]

player count

[cloud plover]

but our faq is a bit of a mess so its harder to explain

[lofty depot]

we have an faq?

[cloud plover]

im a shadow priest not a boomie

plz

[lofty depot]

[maiden pasture]

theres 0 spriests compared to boomies

[cloud plover]

true

theres also 0 boomies compared to ret pals

smh

[lofty depot]

7k is only 20%

[cloud plover]

shadow is also only 13k away from balanciago

smh

[lofty depot]

thats like half of balance

[vital hound]

what the fuck does faq mean

[severe hollow]

you can say faq if the stupid mods blacklisted fuck

[lofty depot]

guma almost dying

[vital hound]

faker is so good

wth

[lucid olive]

fuck answering questions

its my slogan whenever i go on strike

[lofty depot]

yea faker getting that is crazy

[vital hound]

[mighty mica]

frequent balance chatters when they have to answer the same question for a 2nd time

[lucid olive]

its my mandated lunch break rn

[lofty depot]

all these fights are disgusting

[severe hollow]

the way they outplayed jax

was pretty good

[vital hound]

yea that was insane

[severe hollow]

jhin got IE

now

[vital hound]

that faker play at bot

swung the game

[severe hollow]

and faker getting lucky the top fight

where he got stopwatch off before jax stun

[vital hound]

yea

coulda trolled

[severe hollow]

was ofc really hard to time but faker did troll

jax just didnt play it tight enough

or didnt activate e before to follow up in time

not sure about specific timing tbh

[maiden pasture]

now

[severe hollow]

but that death would have been huge 700g + mejais stacks lost

[maiden pasture]

go g5

lock in

kallista renata tf

and make a statement to win

[severe hollow]

[severe hollow]

that senna is gonna be disgusting

over 20 stacks 6 min in is insane

[maiden pasture]

3-0 t1

[severe hollow]

hm

[maiden pasture]

im going sleep after this

[severe hollow]

I dont think they win this

[maiden pasture]

aint sstaying up for 5 games

no chance

[lucid olive]

L

[hollow mist]

nah I'll give it a watch

[vital hound]

v good

[vital hound]

yea they aint winning this

gen g are so tanky

[severe hollow]

and gen g will win if game lasts long

[vital hound]

yea

[severe hollow]

that senna is unbeatable with like 100 stacks

they cant get to her

[vital hound]

kiin was sitting there

getting his ass pummeled

[severe hollow]

yea

[vital hound]

and lived for like 20 seconds

nvm

cursed them

[maiden pasture]

HOLY

CHOVY

PSYCHO

[vital hound]

chovy not interested

in winning

[severe hollow]

nvm

it was not chovy

it was kiin