too my int
#balance
celest narwhal
but I really dont know how any of it would work with an Aug
since our dmg goes back to them, but where in the math does that happen, would it let us stack quicker
lofty depot
well eventually u cant do enough damage
lofty depot
since our dmg goes back to them, but where in the math does that happen, would i...
well imagine surge goes back
nova ocean
I think at higher ilvl u can
lofty depot
but dryads buff in aoe maybe doesnt
nova ocean
Since damage scales faster then hp
celest narwhal
yeah for logs fs fs
but details will be funny
if we were just going for the MAXIMUm crit
with double aug buffing and what not
nova ocean
Hopefully we get enough augs on logs with boomy and it makes them nerf Aug instead of boomy lol
celest narwhal
idk how to do all the multiplies for my buffs
give or take like 300m if i did my math right
celest narwhal
I just can’t believe HOTW on boomkin is an OFFENSIVE buff.
Makes you do more dmg in AOE. It won’t in ST most likely
lofty depot
Makes you do more dmg in AOE. It won’t in ST most likely
it will
ur 2nd cd u can hit the damage needed
clever ibex
How did balance look in myth testing yday?
lofty depot
From sending them from the first I guess
well yes ur holding the buff til ur 2nd
lofty depot
How did balance look in myth testing yday?
like its getting nerfed
like my 2p still doesnt work
celest narwhal
well yes ur holding the buff til ur 2nd
And then hold 2nd into 3rd
So you get a full cap on the first from Convoke
And then the super surges from the 2nd
lofty depot
And then hold 2nd into 3rd
depends on fight
celest narwhal
Yeh
lofty depot
could hold 3rd a while til u could have 4th up for said buff
celest narwhal
Casting Starfall in ST will feel so weird
lofty depot
clearly someone never played weaver
celest narwhal
Well casting a free one is different than spending my AP on it
clever ibex
like its getting nerfed
still giga damage?
lofty depot
yessem
shrewd pivot
could hold 3rd a while til u could have 4th up for said buff
Do you fuck convoke holding
lofty depot
this is all cooking and what not
but thought process for taht would be ur holding convoke and ca til like 230 because ur 4th ca comes up at like 250 or some shit
also depends on fight
adds timing or
shrewd pivot
If you can’t extend for next incarn, do you you you’re better off using treats late and fitting the 2 surges into trees incarn, or waiting for next eclipse for trees and boat
lofty depot
would use like 2-3 seconds into incarn yea
then get the 24% buff during the 2 surges
shrewd pivot
I mean if you the buff won’t last until the next incarn
So it expires, 5 seconds of incarn left, do you send the 2 surges
lofty depot
well it can
u say it wont last until next incarn, but it can last til next
if it doesnt last, then yea u would send in incarn with trees up
gonna be fun listing conditions for people
shrewd pivot
Like in keys your not always going to have 2x incarn up for each boss all the time
lofty depot
sure
but if u want the damage for that "you will always" do it that way
if it sims the best thats how u will do it
celest narwhal
So holding is overall more dmg and not just for a big crit number
celest narwhal
Correct always sim
I’ve barely messed around with it and have only held it for dmg
shrewd pivot
if it doesnt last, then yea u would send in incarn with trees up
If you know it’s one of those situations, do you have to trees late so it’s still up when dryads end
lofty depot
again the feely craft of that seems like u would trees 2-3 seconds after incarn
but its just a math question
shrewd pivot
again the feely craft of that seems like u would trees 2-3 seconds after incarn
Yea then you lose out on either boat or trees buff for the first 2 surges carried over from the previous set(if you had any)
Just have to have the robot tell us the lesser evil
lofty depot
yes
and boat isnt as big of a deal
u could also not surges 2 times at the start of incarn
and instead starfall
shrewd pivot
Yea that’s the losing boat part
lofty depot
lol
shrewd pivot
Or am I dumb
shrewd pivot
What is it, 24% crit?
ripe slate
drifting nova
quick mafs
tardy hare
We have a boat now?
lofty depot
tardy hare
Balance keeps on giving
Also: our guild got the first ce ever yesterday! We are proud
Got mount but gave it to RL
azure solar
I'm comparing two boomkins with around the same stats and INT what would cause there starfall to hit harder ...average hit is higher on starfall with almost the same casts of everything same crit chance same uptime on most multipliers I'm at a lost on what this is ....anyone can bring some insight HELP multi logs below https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a3V7bwkcx4FDr2hZ?fight=7&type=damage-done&source=75
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7d12QLGg83xWN9C6?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=2&translate=true
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DT1dYaCgFLj46c78?fight=30&type=damage-done&source=3
lofty depot
I'm comparing two boomkins with around the same stats and INT what would cause t...
Im going to sleep surely someone EU person will answer soon
tardy hare
I didnt even read the text but i bet the other one dots more
spark anchor
I'm comparing two boomkins with around the same stats and INT what would cause t...
bigger pulls, better dotting
tardy hare
First one has 60 more moonfire casts
Cant be very efficient
Dwilkz has 94. First one has 172
azure solar
First one has 60 more moonfire casts
That doesn’t change the fact that Starfall is hitting harder per hit on average with the same amount of casts …the overall is whatever what I wanna know is why in the first log Starfall per hit is lower compared to most logs that are similar …..Starfall hitting harder with close to same stats /Int and uptime on multipliers (umbral intensity etc ) …bigger pulls would make more sense but I appreciate any insight thank you brother ….it is inefficient in general.
spark anchor
did you check route?
dusk spear
Were there any nerfs to us in the last few days? I feel significantly weaker than I did a few days ago
delicate perch
That doesn’t change the fact that Starfall is hitting harder per hit on average ...
The first sentence makes me think you don’t understand how dots work
round field
Were there any nerfs to us in the last few days? I feel significantly weaker tha...
No
delicate perch
I'm comparing two boomkins with around the same stats and INT what would cause t...
Lot of double/triple sunfire casts (sometimes unlucky/mobs pulled in etc but seems quite common) lots of cancel casts, hard to tell when bearforms needed vs using bark instead etc
Logs on phone are so ass to read 
azure solar
The first sentence makes me think you don’t understand how dots work
No you don’t understand and what u just said makes no sense Moonfiring more or less has nothing to do with how hard your Starfalls is hitting these logs are around the same amount of casts in Starfall and other spells like fury and starfire etc same crit chance same stats same int same multipliers
scenic mist
No you don’t understand and what u just said makes no sense Moonfiring more or l...
People is talking about our mastery
delicate perch
Yeah my bad moonfire bad
round field
No you don’t understand and what u just said makes no sense Moonfiring more or l...
Do you know that moonfire makes starfall do more damage?
delicate perch
Spend double the time dotting = less starfall damage
azure solar
Spend double the time dotting = less starfall damage
It’s the same amount of cast of Starfall bruh lol
delicate perch
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/a3V7bwkcx4FDr2hZ/7/75 some useful info here
round field
Are you american by chance?
delicate perch
Are you american by chance?
I will never get sick of this question
Because it’s rarely wrong
delicate perch
Fire up the google doc
round field
hollow mist
Fire up the google doc
scenic mist
Starfall on a moonfired+sunfired mob does more damage than starfall on an undotted mob, right ?
Starfall inside cooldown/under FoE hits harder than outside
If you are casting as much as him, but not in the right timings, you do less dam per hit
Are you in eclipse as much as him when starfall is up ?
Are you using cds on smaller pulls ?
The bigger the pulls where you CA, the bigger the average hit dam from starfall
pallid bay
they just do more damage in their CD window than you
delicate perch
azure solar
Starfall on a moonfired+sunfired mob does more damage than starfall on an undott...
Obviously that part , but this is the best answer I’ve got… I’ve look into eclipse uptime umbrella embrace every multiplier on Starfall I’ve looked at trinket uptime and CA usage it’s all the same scripted …routing and bigger pulls is prob the best answer …but like what I’m saying even if it’s faster and more dps on the log it doesn’t change that he’s doing more dps per hit on Starfall with all these similarities …50 -100k per hit can equal 500 million more damage per key and when ur pushing the limits every bit matters
azure solar
they just do more damage in their CD window than you
True
delicate perch
You have random dots and multiple cancelled casts man
round field
So basically
pallid bay
like they do 400M more starfall damage in their cds compared to, sure the avg hit is roughly the same but they have more hits
round field
It just means
delicate perch
Like triple sunfire in like 5 seconds is kinda insane
azure solar
You have random dots and multiple cancelled casts man
I don’t care about overall man
round field
Youre bad
pallid bay
so over the entire key they will have a higher average hit
azure solar
It’s Starfall per hit
delicate perch
I don’t care about overall man
delicate perch
I’m not going to hold your hand while I say this, but you are extremely confused how numbers work
round field
The truth is
Blizzard hates you and makes your character do less damage so you quit the game
Its completely targeted
It has nothing to do with gameplay
!!!
small elbow
To be fair, he's only asking about Avg Hit dmg difference ...
round field
Ye and he got told 30 times what it might be
azure solar
To be fair, he's only asking about Avg Hit dmg difference ...
Thank you bro
obsidian tapir
It’s true I’m blizzard headquarters
pls buff bamkin
round field
Its like
small elbow
Did he though? Everyone is talking about the amount of casts and the amount of hits
pallid bay
Did he though? Everyone is talking about the amount of casts and the amount of h...
im not talking about that
round field
Unless its what they wanna hear
small elbow
Also 5k mastery difference, so more dmg on SF when both have dots rolling
pallid bay
probably not right
round field
Seems like it
delicate perch
Do you think they’d understand it if you did?
round field
Probably not right
delicate perch
potent cargo
scenic mist
The bigger the pulls where you CA, the bigger the average hit dam from starfall
@azure solar reed that slowly
round field
scenic mist
probably not right
I do believe this is the issue at hand tho
delicate perch
Numbers are hard 😦
scenic mist
@azure solar if you both have say 1000 starfall hits
But 400 of your 1000 are inside cds, and 800 of his 1000 are inside cds
Who will do more average damage ?
You have 4 hours
delicate perch
Me because 1000 of mine are in cds (I died shortly after)
obsidian tapir
You have 4 hours
4 hours until what =)) ?
delicate perch
You don’t wanna know 
pallid bay
scenic mist
4 hours until what =)) ?
Until it’s been 4hrs i guess
round field
Me because 1000 of mine are in cds (I died shortly after)
I personally prefer dying the same frame i press cds
small elbow
You can filter that in logs by the way. So looking at hits while you're both in incarn with FoE down it's a difference of 200 hits
scenic mist
Talk about commitment
delicate perch
I personally prefer dying the same frame i press cds
Watching my free foe tick my damage up 
🪦
round field
(im losing to healer)
sudden flame
round field
@pallid bay nice waste of time
pallid bay
bro
round field
pallid bay
how are you this dense
lucid olive
I came here to get help to ask a question unfortunately y’all rather be childish …most of you simplify don’t understand what I’m asking. It wouldn’t matter if dwilkz timed the key in 5 minutes and did 200 billion more dps we press Starfall the same amount of times we have basically same stats (he has more mastery ) and same int ive told y’all we have the same uptime on any multiplier that can effect Starfall damage …and y’all talking about other things thank you @small elbow for actually answering my question with bias. I kno most of you aren’t pushing aren’t pushing 20 keys and need help on things like this you can gray parse in your heroic run and it’s all good but every bit of dps matters to me and this is what this channel is for I thought boomkins who have questions … goodnight zzzz
small elbow
Oh no, please
lucid olive
@teal sphinx
pallid bay
here's a very simple question for you
round field
If anyone ever says
You need to be good at the game to push keys
Ill just show them this
pallid bay
if you press starfall with a lot of multipliers, will your average starfall hit increase based on the number of targets?
sudden flame
Bros pushing 20s though so clearly they know more than you
delicate perch
It’s already dotted dotting it more Is just less globals!!!!! yes I understood that can get me more damage lol overall is not what I’m asking!!! lol why is the Starfall dam more ? same casts same int same stats same crit same multipliers.. jus because moon fire was pressed more often has nothing to do with more or less Starfall damage unless u didn’t moonfire them at all and didn’t get mastery lol that’s not that case here …that’s not the answer bc he moonfire more and lost globals
@teal sphinx fire it up
pallid bay
you're doing less avg starfall hit damage cause you're either worse at the game, planning your cds worse or pulling less mobs in packs with your cds up
delicate perch
I bet the Covid vaccine is to blame for it
pallid bay
you dont need to do 20s to understand math
round field
regal tiger
Is it worth using sundered firmament proc before CA or do i just go straight into cds at start of a pull
round field
I was right...
delicate perch
round field
Do they actually not teach
Math in america
No hate
Or are you not required to take it
dull dust
I come boomie disc 1x and I'm not disapointed
delicate perch
dull dust
pallid bay
I come boomie disc 1x and I'm not disapointed
dont type if you're not doing 20s man
delicate perch
They’ll spend hours finding random reasons when they’re told with a spreadsheet why there is a difference then argue
round field
dont type if you're not doing 20s man
Why are you yapping
dull dust
wtf
delicate perch
Actually insane behaviour
round field
All your keys dont add up to 20
delicate perch
That’s kinda based
pallid bay
i have 2x 18s what are you on about..
dull dust
why can't I react in here
round field
Nerd
sudden flame
round field
why can't I react in here
Banned
delicate perch
why can't I react in here
Too many OCE players
hollow mist
:)
delicate perch
regal tiger
Is it worth using sundered firmament proc before CA or do i just go straight int...
help guys i have severe brain delay
obsidian jetty
i have 2x 18s what are you on about..
18 is not 20...
round field
@pallid bay enjoy grey parsing heroic
delicate perch
2x18 is 36 though that’s way more than 20
round field
pallid bay
help guys i have severe brain delay
the reason no one is answering is cause its not simple to answer, in some situations probably, in others not at all
delicate perch
Just go off vibes
regal tiger
the reason no one is answering is cause its not simple to answer, in some situat...
my thoughts were that or just general boomy disc scenario
ngl
dull dust
delicate perch
I don’t wanna cast wrath after pressing moonfire 2000 times
pallid bay
it'll basically come down to if you will proc firmament, if you can keep dreamstate stack, how many targets are in the pull
firmament itself is irrelevant, it would be for boundless moonlight damage
lucid olive
On higher target counts, assuming the pack will live through your CDs, getting another Boundless Moonlight hit is good since it's uncapped, on lower target counts it'd be more worth to prio Dreamstate
If you cancel Dreamstate and enter Eclipse from out of combat before dotting you can do both
But overall the difference is minimal anyway
pallid bay
one could argue if you wont proc firmament it would be better not to enter if the pull would only live CA + 1 eclipse cycle since you would have firmament for start of next pull
lucid olive
There's a lot of variables to consider for the topic so it gets muddy trying to give definitive answers
quiet crystal
<:4046shhhhhhuwu:1273212989452976168>
regal tiger
yea i just never saw anyone talking about it so figured id ask
novel copper
There's a lot of variables to consider for the topic so it gets muddy trying to ...
Tell me what to press pls or I’m lost
pallid bay
abilities that does damage
lucid olive
Doesn't help that the minigamers gaslight people to think entering Eclipse for firmament is super duper valuable
quiet crystal
Im broken I always do that, even when not speced into firmament
small elbow
Less Wrath casts is more fun
regal tiger
Doesn't help that the minigamers gaslight people to think entering Eclipse for f...
hey dont attack my 1%
lmao
teal sphinx
It’s already dotted dotting it more Is just less globals!!!!! yes I understood t...
wtf? is this guy dumb
round field
You know its bad when pepsi calls you dumb
scenic mist
wtf? is this guy dumb
Is it dumb to not see the difference between (3x500 + 7x100) and (7x500 + 3x100) ?
vale pebble
abilities that does damage
pipe down bro u cant even find a little silly bug
if bicotti was here he wouldve found it in 2minutes
vale pebble
me
vital hound
https://tenor.com/view/warcraft-gaming-gif-27702118
yes me lord
vital hound
whos him
round field
Firedruiddev
dull dust
I'm waiting for the cook now
round field
lucid olive
Imagine he just put something on his keyboard and walked away to make it seem like he was typing up a storm..
round field
Fell asleep on his keyboard
dense gust
why are locks getting so much buffs, they already have like 3x more defensives than moonkins gota steal dps too
scenic mist
why are locks getting so much buffs, they already have like 3x more defensives t...
Purple > orange maybe
pallid bay
purple = win
scenic mist
purple = win
Gojo fanboy spotted
pallid bay
no idea what that is but i'll assume its anime and disregard any further opinions from you
vital hound
vital hound
ur him to me king
drifting nova
why are locks getting so much buffs, they already have like 3x more defensives t...
blizzards love child
hollow mist
pallid bay
since you're going around DMing everyone, this message alone confirms that you don't understand how average is calculated and if you don't want to listen to anyone explaining it to you, why are you even asking
loud kettle
you're doing less avg starfall hit damage cause you're either worse at the game,...
They just dont have enough mastery
dull dust
next level malding
solemn grail
Newbie boomie.... what is the general stat prio? most sources I find say sim to find out but that's not very helpful unless you want to spend time simming to get 0.1% upgrades... 
thanks in advance big boys
true viper
Crit verse
solemn grail
pallid bay
Newbie boomie.... what is the general stat prio? most sources I find say sim to ...
int > mastery > haste > crit = vers basically
you dont have to spend time simming for 0.1% upgrades though
just /simc
paste
click items
run sim
takes a good 15 seconds
broken quail
u think boomy will be nerfed to the ground as it was some time ago? for ST I mean
like 3-4 years ago
broken quail
I don't remember, wasn't there a time
where boomy was really shit in st raid, like below 70% of other classes
broken quail
oh is it?
round field
yes?
round field
broken quail
I'm not an expert? I just started playing boomy again
boreal knot
since you're going around DMing everyone, this message alone confirms that you d...
since you're going around DMing everyone, this message alone confirms that you don't understand how average is calculated and if you don't want to listen to anyone explaining it to you, why are you even asking
broken quail
idk it's been 2 times that I'm typing here and I get ironic emotes to my questions lol, sorry if I'm not expert
round field
i dont know what you want me to say when you link a random icyveins tier list
royal zenith
idk it's been 2 times that I'm typing here and I get ironic emotes to my questio...
you're using a tierlist that's based off of PTR testing for a tier that's 4/5 weeks into the future
made by a content creator that does a tierlist every week there's changes
to gain more viewers
hence the ironic replies
for extra reference
broken quail
ok, I'm sorry
broken quail
so, boomy isn't good atm in single target, right? I don't mean if it's awesome, I mean, is it good? Like, you can compete with other classes in ST?
broken quail
I don't play competitive mythic, I just do heroic and slow mythic
current for start
broken quail
and next tier we can't now atm, right?
broken quail
ok, thank you so much, very clear answer
pseudo merlin
u think boomy will be nerfed to the ground as it was some time ago? for ST I mea...
yes
broken quail
lol
royal zenith
he's not being ironic in this case
broken quail
wtf
royal zenith
we'd be lucky to not grab a big fat nerf 
broken quail
but I just started playing it lol
pseudo merlin
for sure we're getting one
Boomie is the spec everyone makes fun of until it's a little good and then the pitchforks go up
Idk why people are such haters
broken quail
I don't really know either, I like it
pseudo merlin
yeah
royal zenith
meanwhile FDK / BM hunter are doing equal if not more (if bamkin has bad rng on surges)
pseudo merlin
Can't wait for non boomie players to complain when they remove eclipses, just because they want us to suffer
NOOOOOOO Boomies are not allowed to have fun
sudden flame
most boomies i've spoken to hate the tier set with a passion
royal zenith
Ehhh
depends on what you're referring to
how it plays? shit
being top of the meters? good
so what's there to hate if you're perma blasting and top of the dps meter
sudden flame
starfalling in single target? not good
royal zenith
in reality that nets you a slot in raid or M+
sudden flame
Ye they hate the gameplay of the tier set
sudden flame
also deleteing any mob you chose off the face off the map is what gonna get giga nerfed
sudden flame
i like new tier set
liar
twin lotus
i love starfalling in ST, reminds me of stellar drift and the things that have been. Connects me to my past and i draw strength from it
Cenarius himself is lending his power to me through the dryad to completel annihilate enemies of the grove
hollow mist
go sniff some catnip
twin lotus
and if the only thing i have to do for his divine favor is to cast starfall in ST so be it, small price to pay
can i get a praise Malorne
pseudo merlin
i love starfalling in ST, reminds me of stellar drift and the things that have b...
You know we never pressed drift in ST right
Like
That's not an accurate retelling of history
spice roost
Ye they hate the gameplay of the tier set
the gameplay sux but hopefully thats adressed sooner than later
pseudo merlin
You had to utilise like 85% of SDs duration hardcasting in order for it to not be a dps loss in ST
round field
for a very minor loss
twin lotus
i remember doing that in late antorus
royal zenith
only on worm boss you used SD
comfortpick
even then stellar flare did more damooge
twin lotus
I am in the minority that doesn't mind pressing starfall. That being said I think the PTR play style requires a lot of cooldown planning and cooking with timings which I don't know how I feel about yet. It's still early so nothing set in stone
cloud plover
<@98846199070605312> go fuck urself
good morning balance chat and @round field hope we're all doing great on this fine day
round field
I am in the minority that doesn't mind pressing starfall. That being said I thin...
current as in live or ptr
hollow mist
good morning balance chat and <@168663781931614208> hope we're all doing great o...
thank u puppy hope u have a splendid day too sweetheart ^^
lucid olive
for a very minor loss
Couldn't catch me using Stellar Flare on Halondrus..
round field
ew
twin lotus
current as in live or ptr
I meant PTR, my bad. Kinda done with live
cloud plover
you'd like that no
cloud plover
I mean I like that part
round field
ur 3 second cast time starfires
cloud plover
that's kinda the issue
I love long cast time spells
I don't play shadowburn on destro warlock cuz go ahead punish me for movement where I can't chaos bolt
Same with this I think it's fun
royal zenith
ur 3 second cast time starfires
think it won't be this bad in raid cause you will just run talents to proc more ASP for movement
but yeah
EC bad
round field
think it won't be this bad in raid cause you will just run talents to proc more ...
not like you have more choices than now
its legit just a free extra surge
cloud plover
why not
round field
cause mplus sucks
cloud plover
nice now u just need 7 more
round field
that was last week
round field
how do i get into a 10 tho
round field
i dont have friends
cloud plover
ok then go 12s with ur non friends
round field
no
round field
no
signal temple
Ran DFC last night, first and only key so far this week.
Get Wick, group tells me I didn't deserve it and kick me.
round field
theyre probably right
signal temple
I mean I was top dps. 
I buttpulled the group before Candle King, but then the tank just ran all the way through the minecart gauntlet before the chase sequence and a worm got gigabuffed and ate all of us.
grim ibex
@pallid bay free mans
lofty depot
I came here to get help to ask a question unfortunately y’all rather be childish...
Damn I went to sleep and missed some bangers and he deleted his reply smh
ebon elm
@gamz YO have we cooked up new KOTG Talent builds for PTR raid testing with new 4 set?
my dmg breakdown looks 93% starsurge dmg so maybe we go for more astral power generation now?
lofty depot
@gamz YO have we cooked up new KOTG Talent builds for PTR raid testing with new ...
CYGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALUmtmxYmBeAziZZmZAmZZYmtZsYmZMzsMzyMjZG2wCAGgltxGmmZWGAAAAsZmxAsZMM
We have more asp generation, but likely not from where u assumed it was coming from (hero tree and foe)
ebon elm
thank you
lofty depot
#freeoi
pallid bay
gg
lofty depot
TYPE SHIT
remote vale
Play nice. If you make me do mod things while I'm working or studying, I'mma click buttons in a particular sequence to make the distractions go away. (for everyone)
lofty depot
Ban twist
pallid bay
you missed nothing
scarlet tapir
agreed
lofty depot
Type shit
lofty depot
Can't believe I'm a distraction :/
scarlet tapir
the mascot cannot be kicked
drifting nova
Cyous can you ban Kekkers?
remote vale
removing folks fro mthe discord cuaes them to lose their "join date" -- which is a bit of a badge of claut
leaden birch
whats claut
jade flume
Santa claut
slim iris
Bad server
shrewd pivot
CYGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALUmtmxYmBeAziZZmZAmZZYmtZsYmZMzsMzyM...
Does the m+ build just look similar to live kotg m+
leaden birch
so from gamz's video I'm led to believe kotg will either be incredibly broken or terribly trash?
lofty depot
Nothing concrete cuz u could use foe, Dak was using some incarn eg tech yesterday on ptr
Just play some shit and see what slams
inner widget
doing 17s atm
Would you use myth Jug or myth Blazikon?
lofty depot
so from gamz's video I'm led to believe kotg will either be incredibly broken or...
Uhhhh a tierset that is accumulative damage then into a single target is likely always good for something
lofty depot
doing 17s atm
Would you use myth Jug or myth Blazikon?
Jug
pseudo merlin
removing folks fro mthe discord cuaes them to lose their "join date" -- which is...
isnt that stuff gone
i havent seen join dates on ppls profiles in forever
strong stone
sep4 2020
strong stone
dire osprey
pseudo merlin
ah
strong stone
pseudo merlin
lofty depot
i havent seen join dates on ppls profiles in forever
Maybe look harder
lofty depot
One of these days
Then again I only got thymed out for 5 minutes, gamz got a 24hr vacation
remote vale
maybe stop being so mean all the time
pseudo merlin
wait why did gammy get 24 hours
lofty depot
Toxic person frfr
pseudo merlin
the fuck did I miss
lofty depot
Like half the responses got deleted
pseudo merlin
you saved them for sure
lofty depot
Well not half
pseudo merlin
dm
lofty depot
I was asleep
lofty depot
He asked a funny question about Starfall avg damage and it was 130 I cba'd and went to sleep
Was a good decision
remote vale
in short, do not dogpile, just move on if something isnt working
pseudo merlin
ah
leaden birch
whos gammy
pseudo merlin
gamgam
obsidian ingot
What happened here lol
remote vale
the record is 2 weeks
pseudo merlin
Arctic was rude to me
remote vale
no one broke that record
pseudo merlin
Tettles almost perma banned me once
But he gave me another chance
what a horrible idea that was
remote vale
once, that you know of
pseudo merlin
leaden birch
pseudo merlin
i am scared
pseudo merlin
Can we ban him for that
leaden birch
i got timed out once for saying
lofty depot
Why he get one for 2 weeks
Could guess it was csh or something lol
pseudo merlin
when are CSH and sakura coming back
remote vale
2 weeks was for a regular who was very active and likely going through an episode by stress from IRL factors. it was becoming destructive. it was 1 week originally, then added another. (this was during the time of mutes, not timeouts)
pseudo merlin
was it a boomie regular
remote vale
technically yes
basically like having zimbita escape his child leash and run around Disneyland, imagine that level of energy
pseudo merlin
grizzled shoal
Lmao
lofty depot
basically like having zimbita escape his child leash and run around Disneyland, ...
That's not poggers
slim iris
I for one am in support of destructive dogpiling
pseudo merlin
Gilly for president
remote vale
royal zenith
signal temple
A 2 week thyme out
That's unherb of
lofty depot
Deux didn't say me
lofty depot
That's unherb of
Thyme "-2"
eager raft
Ty in advance
🙂
royal zenith
Deux didn't say me
Cyous can ban you
lofty depot
If respectable is banable, I want to do it
eager raft
There’s only 1 person that tries to ban me
cloud plover
@round field would ban me
nvm he's not responding so he wouldnt
so nice of him
maybe he does like me..
👉🏻👈🏻 @round field glad we're cool!! 
eager raft
free Iqnious free o i free kekkers free csh
wicked flax
anyone got PTR talent builds? or is it just the same
lofty depot
M+ or raid
lofty depot
CYGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALUmtmxYmBeAziZZmZAmZZYmtZsYmZMzsMzyM...
Raid st.... There's some cooks with incarn (which u'll likely use for soul hunters today)
But nonetheless there are some significant changes yes
stone ledge
Majority of the raid is st with a few add cleaves right, no stix/ovi correct
lofty depot
Idk what dimensius is
There's add platform on nexus, and soul hunters is 3 boss council basically
But no nothing like stix/ovi
But Dak played incarn yesterday and looked completely fine
royal zenith
you have the optional dh council fight
new build when though
need to know how big the nerf will be
ebon elm
this might be a dumb question, but at what target count do we even use starfall anymore, since starsurge is so busted
cloud plover
What happened to @round field hes so quiet :(
lofty depot
this might be a dumb question, but at what target count do we even use starfall ...
Well the only surge that is "busted" is the ones buffed
royal zenith
Cyous I have a request...
lofty depot
But its a sim question which won't have a definitive answer until they do that work.
pallid bay
@eager raft nerd
lofty depot
who is o i
pallid bay
bro thought he did something 💀
cloud plover
want to find out?
just curious where @round field is really
he used to talk so much
royal zenith
no he didnt
slim iris
Hopefully he’s outside
cloud plover
why are you so obsessed with iqni <@98846199070605312>
he seems cool i wanna be friends
royal zenith
sussy
cloud plover
dont think its happening tho
hollow mist
dont think its happening tho
just keep trying you can wear him down eventually
pseudo merlin
he seems cool i wanna be friends
cloud plover
just keep trying you can wear him down eventually
i dunno about that lakers
pseudo merlin
igni is not cool
hollow mist
the more we interact the less he seem to like me
i get that with a lot of people i feel you 
eager raft
just keep trying you can wear him down eventually
Lake 😦
misty glade
I may have missed if it was discussed, but did they fix/ alter the 4pc kotg bonus on the ptr yet?
meager storm
like 6 days ago
lofty depot
Well they fixed it making the dryads damage stack like it was
Now dryad does no damage
cobalt thicket
best plater for druid balance ?
lofty depot
Jundies
full sleet
So how does boomie look for next season
lofty depot
Good, but there's still tuning thats being done so ask Aug 4th
hollow mist
didnt want my evoker lessons
im already nice on the evoker but i can give u lessons if u want darling
scarlet tapir
im already nice on the evoker but i can give u lessons if u want darling
i cant be better...
hollow mist
Did u say that in a Dolores Abernathy voice?
no i said it in a lake voice !!
hollow mist
Was hoping for saucy southern, anyway
sadly am not a southern girl.. u will have to settle for upstate NY accent..
lofty depot
As long as it isn't jersey
scarlet tapir
@hollow mist
mighty mica
What’s wrong with Jersey
you know damn well
calm ibex
Yeah you’re right
lofty depot
you know damn well
Muts, rats, and idk what they're called from jersey shore people that u can't say
calm ibex
But we have good bagels and pizza so it makes up for it
lofty depot
@jolly delta
hollow mist
<@237412116024393728>
hi c:
calm ibex
We don’t claim Jersey shore people
lofty depot
They're on ur land
hollow mist
But we have good bagels and pizza so it makes up for it
it's perfect cuz it has u there
mighty mica
I've only been to Newark, left almost immediately
calm ibex
it's perfect cuz it has u there
💕
hollow mist
Lakez calling u a mut or a rat
shes a puppy girl get the animal right plz
hollow mist
:)
calm ibex
85% of trans women are so it’s not surprising
lofty depot
shes a puppy girl get the animal right plz
Puppies can be muts
So the animal was correct
I'm an Irish, German mut. Wcyd
lofty depot
<@148270876301852672> guess ur a puppy mutt now sry
"I'm a terrible little puppy mutt very explicit words after"
hollow mist
<:VerySadCat:845090284231458817>
it will all be okay dear
errant flint
How do I learn good defensive usage for maximum dps uptime with boomy?
royal zenith
in what content
if raid, check lorrgs for defensive usage and plan them in your notes
errant flint
also for m+
royal zenith
if M+ plan defensives for specific moments based around your tank pulls and/or tricky moments
only use defensives when you actually need it
don't overcommit
and know when you're in danger
errant flint
Bc I know higher keys Ive been told not to "waste" defensives. How will I know if Im in danger? Like a certain health % or large mechanic coming up?
royal zenith
Bc I know higher keys Ive been told not to "waste" defensives. How will I know i...
ask the healer
the healer will tell you what moments you can or should be using actual defensives
cause they know exactly what might or might not come after x mechanic
and you're in danger
errant flint
I like to stress my healer and tell them that pressing defensives a global dps loss lol I joke though but I do enjoy living
jolly delta
<@124935035412414475>
convoke 1m is coming I promise
jolly delta
Am very impressed by the timeline planner in dreamgrove.gg
oh nvm thanks!!!!
royal zenith
you want it to become a more practical situation
instead of reactive
aka really want to plan it
but yeah, if you can't think practical yet, just bearform until you are comfy
lofty depot
Bc I know higher keys Ive been told not to "waste" defensives. How will I know i...
Get a tracker for priest absorbs
lofty depot
convoke 1m is coming I promise
Type shit
royal zenith
it's really important to know exactly when youre safe ye
errant flint
If Ive done a bad or running with an unsure pug healer I bear + frenzy iirc?/barkskin
I think honed instincts will do its thing. Im so bad at names still.
royal zenith
preferably you don't stack defensives unless you need them to live
errant flint
Likely running with a pres evoker next season in keys
full sleet
Am I wrong or are our defensive literally barkskin and bear form?
royal zenith
it's a DR and hp increase ye
lofty depot
Just wait til u hear about hotw next tier
royal zenith
you also have self-healing options
full sleet
Cuz if there's more plz let me know so I don't have to be in bear form half the time on paladin pulls
lofty depot
Health pot be a defensive
royal zenith
but that's about it
lofty depot
Renewal
full sleet
Health pot/renewal/vigil yeah but those are not defensives
lofty depot
Cuz if there's more plz let me know so I don't have to be in bear form half the ...
Nope, ur in bear form sowwie
royal zenith
you do need to use healing abilities like pot / renewal actively yeah like arctic mentioned
you're not a mage
so not like 4 DR's
unfortunate
errant flint
Oh yea the blue and green buttons lol for self heal
full sleet
Yeah my two toons are arcane and boomie
royal zenith
errant flint
I see some not take natures vigil in keys is there a reason for that?
lofty depot
Cuz they're dumb
errant flint
lol
royal zenith
depends on what talent they got instead
royal zenith
or maybe they just forgor
full sleet
Nature's vigil doesn't heal off of dots or Starfall right? It's legit just surge?
And the generating one i can't remember
royal zenith
don't remember what's flagged for starfall
lofty depot
It heals off of starfall
full sleet
Wraths aoe version
full sleet
It heals off of starfall
It does?
Is the scaling dog shit cuz it never seems to heal for a lot
lofty depot
Starfall isn't an aoe like ur thinking
full sleet
Wasn't being facetious btw genuinely wasn't sure
lofty depot
Ik
full sleet
Wait it caps at 8 targets?
lofty depot
It doesnt
full sleet
Is that in the tooltip?
lofty depot
I just said a number
full sleet
Oh kk
lofty depot
It's 20
full sleet
Fr?
lofty depot
Ye
lofty depot
Barely any
lofty depot
Don't think there's 20 there. Would think lower rookery maybe
Motherlode maybe somewhere between 2-3 boss
full sleet
Oh true the giga trash mobs in rookery
full sleet
Makes sense
royal zenith
doesn't really matter or
exotic stump
any shot this is an EC fight
obsidian tapir
it doesnt but funny that happend so random as yesterday pugs did kill it
obsidian tapir
entropy will unlock
:)))
royal zenith
any shot this is an EC fight
kotg too strongue
exotic stump
once its fixed
meager storm
any shot this is an EC fight
pseudo merlin
entropy will unlock
voidman*
royal zenith
no..
obsidian tapir
only guild log that killed the boss from today :))
lilac apex
obsidian tapir
crazy
ember shoal
loud kettle
what about it
obsidian tapir
crazy dmg
loud kettle
i dont do that sort of dam
pseudo merlin
obsidian tapir
gz
loud kettle
grats bestie
loud kettle
ya
pseudo merlin
wait actually?
loud kettle
yes
obsidian tapir
haxz
pseudo merlin
looks pretty ass
sounds a little jelly
It might look bad but atleast it's real
unlike voidman DH
loud kettle
it did not fly
(:
frank ridge
is there any good videos to watch on balances rotation/cooldown management? wanted to deep dive into it but searching on youtube I only found superficial beginners guide
lofty depot
Anyone know the lore behind azsuna portal, like why isn't it just dalaran
Final place after killing Guldan
frank ridge
thank you
sick laurel
is Jundies weak aura change color depending if 1 or both dots are on ? if not, is there any ?
pseudo merlin
it doesnt
not important enough compared to the normal color coding, such a thing exists on wago though
sick laurel
thx a lot ravec
calm ibex
heck you
pseudo merlin
^^
calm ibex
i may go back for it
pseudo merlin
maybe you can buy it during legion event
calm ibex
but i went through the whole tier not getting red or blue
pseudo merlin
oof
calm ibex
then on the last few weeks i got blue
pseudo merlin
i just need taeshalach and antoran hound
calm ibex
ill probably do it before tuesday
but eh idc really
if i didnt get it while it was current it doesnt mean much to me
calm ibex
Yeah it does
But I’ve never really been into like transmog or mounts
It’s mostly about getting it while it’s current that does it for me
I guess like a memory
Maybe that’s lame but eh
pseudo merlin
fair
vapid anvil
Do I have to do these quests to get the lunar mount
pseudo merlin
This feels a lot like a wowhead question
calm ibex
Yeah that was so long ago I don’t even remember what that shit needed
Plus fire bird is better
vapid anvil
Ive spent like 20 hours on wow head trying to figure it out
calm ibex
Idk if that requires the dungeon quests
pseudo merlin
20 hours?
I c licked on 2 google links
I really regret only doing feral dps mage tower
exotic storm
royal zenith
give me neon cat
pseudo merlin
you dont have it?
LMAO
noob
Not having neon cat will perfectly match not having voidman dh
royal zenith
late sapphire
elunes chosen tier set on season 3 ptr in m+ feels kinda ass, stacks drop off so much between packs or while dotting up next set. kinda feels like timer should be like 40 sec or a minute not 20 to use the stacks
limber terrace
good evening & happy friday. jastor diamond or mug's jug . in ya'lls opinion. i simmed them & they are about equal for upgrade. house of cards was lower of the 3 items i simmed jastor. jusg & house. just wanting opinions from you wise druids. I believe im coming back to my original toon for S3
limber terrace
ok i was thinking that but been a minute since playing balance. just double checking 😄
lofty depot
if u dont have hoc hmm
limber terrace
also no mythic kills in raid or M+ 12s
stone ledge
Can someone link the logs from the incarn cook on the demon hunter boss ❤️
Or just a talent tree if. There’s no log
lofty depot
cook kinda implies theres something special thats different from the other build besides incarn vs convoke
but yea
there was some cats vs eg angle but shrug. sim angle shit
stone ledge
I mean fury of elune is kinda neat that saw no raid use really this tier
misty glade
Foe seeing play in kotg ST now huh?
stone ledge
Might just be for Al
lofty depot
I mean fury of elune is kinda neat that saw no raid use really this tier
well sure, but its part of the st build currently
stone ledge
Ah I was not aware of that
lofty depot
jsut for al?
lofty depot
nah it does damage
lofty depot
big damage global for damage cap
stone ledge
Huge
royal zenith
but it's not confirmed actually to be the play cause sims dont exist
just actual theory crafting
lofty depot
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6WqpqRViSUGFN8zK37mW9c
change this ti latest the next time u sim
misty glade
Is the dmg cap a hidden thing?
royal zenith
not a hidden thing no
lofty depot
idk probably pick hoc cuz its 1.5m cd and better for my ocd
royal zenith
or do you mean if you can track it ingame?
lofty depot
Is the dmg cap a hidden thing?
no its on the tooltip of the buff
or i guess u said the cap
misty glade
Oh. Thanks. I didn't realize based on the set wording that there was a cap.
lofty depot
5% of total damage, capped to 50% of ur total hp
royal zenith
^
misty glade
Got it.
misty glade
So that's why people cooked with the bear form.
lofty depot
ye
limber terrace
ok thanks for the info also i will have one more dinar to burn here soon after Hoc go Jug or jastor?
also i tree spec so i used one dinar for the pick me up trink
misty glade
Does the cap act like a pool or do both the surges get the full amount?
lofty depot
Does the cap act like a pool or do both the surges get the full amount?
both get the full amount
misty glade
Cool. Ty arctic.
limber terrace
ok thanks for the help Hope you guys have a good weekend
lofty depot
no u