balance

[full sleet]

idk maybe im just doing something wrong but it feels worse when i moonfire every mob, ill try to be more efficient while dotting everything

[delicate perch]

without a log if you feel it's taking too long just be sure to get +2 moonfires per cast

[full sleet]

yeah thats what i mean by more efficient sometimes i tab or click a mob that already has it

ty for the advice btw

[vital hound]

i love the assumption from everyone

that when we top the meters

we're exploiting something

[meager storm]

[vital hound]

[nova ocean]

We escaped another tuning pass clearly blizzard saw testing and just said warlocks didn't do enough damage

[loud kettle]

can they say ferals didnt do enough damage next

[nova ocean]

Depends on how many words it takes

Druids have a max of one line of patch notes

[sour rampart]

So do evokers. Its just always a buff!

[vital hound]

lol

[glossy jungle]

My tomato is getting famous.

https://x.com/n_tys26/status/1943096478790226298?s=46

"For what it’s worth, Zorthas is one of the fastest growing and most popular WoW streamers in the OCE region."

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[delicate perch]

😍

[vital hound]

[potent cargo]

demonic lair

https://imgur.com/J8w5ALI

[vital hound]

[obsidian tapir]

Only honolulu was using the bear form yesterday

[spice roost]

i mean without any degen tier stuff with kotg tier

[obsidian tapir]

Only 1 balance did this I believe the rest are legit if you look at logs

[round field]

cant wait

for spec to get shot in the head

and be dogshit for 1 more tier

[royal zenith]

peculiar question

just open up wcl and check yourself?

[royal zenith]

spriest will be first

[round field]

dont care

im having fun

!!!!!!!!

[spice roost]

i did way before he tagged me\

[round field]

cant wait

for dev to get shot

because

wdym

a dev with 15 less ilvl

does more dmg than any other spec

[sudden flame]

bro hasnt seen frost dk

[round field]

i mean liev

not ptr

[obsidian jetty]

that is not what I thought you meant at first

[royal zenith]

so basically all classes need to be nerfed gg's @round field

very solid arguments

[round field]

no not that dev...

[round field]

nope

[royal zenith]

[round field]

outlaw needs buffs

[royal zenith]

utlaw

[spice roost]

i coulda sworn dev got caught with a nerf on ptr

recently

maybe im mis remembering

[meager storm]

They just nerfed the current set so u don’t use it next tier

[spice roost]

oh that was it ok

[maiden pasture]

Outlaw does less damage on ptr than on live right now

[round field]

i havent seen a single outlaw all season

ngl

probably more than all season

[maiden pasture]

There's quite a few cause of this phys comp shit

I raided with a turbo outlaw otp so I hear a lot about the spec

[obsidian jetty]

I invited one yday only because of the tricks of the trade talent, and he didn't cast tricks the entire key

when it's a 1hr buff with the talent

[maiden pasture]

They made it so you don't die when you press killing spree but in doing so made killing spree so much worse than it is in terms of the rotation

[obsidian jetty]

I was playing outlaw just meme and leveling, did some stuff at 80, I just played the killingspree tree without killingspree

frick that talent

[maiden pasture]

They should make blade dance the same as killing spree

See how many DHs get murdered

[royal zenith]

killingspree is terrible

og

[obsidian jetty]

according to my dh today on testing, they don't blade dance rn on ST

[royal zenith]

except for healing logs on cauldron

[obsidian jetty]

and DHs already die alot man, give them a break

[maiden pasture]

In fel scarred no

In aldratchi he's

Yes*

And fel scarred is better on PTR rn IIRC

[royal zenith]

wasn't aldrachi set busted

or is this after nerfs

[maiden pasture]

No clue, DH played from my old guild was just crying saying fel scarred is better cause he doesn't enjoy the playstyle of it

This was like a week ago

[royal zenith]

yeah you play FS on pure ST and AR on cleave apparently

[jade flume]

Do u tho

[round field]

i wouldnt take dunces word for it

[royal zenith]

DH discord

don't shoot the messenger

[fossil hemlock]

[jade flume]

Its ok i trust u

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/3xVE.gif

[royal zenith]

I'm a trustworthy individual sheep

that's why

[vital hound]

LOL

brother

[royal zenith]

[vital hound]

you're many things

trustworthy does not make the list

[royal zenith]

positive things?

[frank light]

is there a weakaura for the tier set on the ptr to track when the starsurges are juiced

[maiden pasture]

You can make one easily, just take any normal buff weakaura you use and change the buff ID to be the dryads favor ID

[pallid bay]

i added some stuff you can just yoink here https://wago.io/OiBalancePTR

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-oh-ok-if-you-say-so-gif-3474500996908065231

[lofty depot]

Duplicate a weakaura and change the spell id

Is very shrimple

[maiden pasture]

bros just repeated what i said?

[wooden relic]

You didn’t say it’s shrimple

[drifting nova]

no insurance for me thanks

[fossil hemlock]

Insurance is a healer tier bonus

[lofty depot]

He also said buff id, and in the line it says spell

Smh

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/meerkats-peep-yes-cute-animals-gif-12659344

[jade flume]

You didnt say to duplicate it...

[maiden pasture]

fuck you right......

[cloud plover]

Another day, another great morning to tag @round field and @royal zenith to wish them an amazing day alongside the rest of balancecord

[jade flume]

Gm

[drifting nova]

[pseudo merlin]

[hard wyvern]

You can just duplicate another weakaura and change the spell id

[round field]

Grr

[scarlet tapir]

nerf deva

fuck this class

[jade flume]

Ong

[maiden pasture]

ong

[cloud plover]

MOVE AN INCH IQNI FUCK SAKEEEE

[round field]

Every day i move an inch closer to putting a pipe bomb in ur mailbox

[cloud plover]

yes PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASEEEEEE

https://tenor.com/view/woah-pipe-bomb-so-cool-gif-15812034375530613101

[hollow mist]

:))))))

[upper anvil]

Hello, Ive been pulling aggro in keys for some reason even after the tanks fully pull and like even 10 secs after into the fight, is there some reason why? im just doing the normal rotation, ramping up and pumping in keys

[lucid olive]

not any particular reason no

tank not having enough threat so you rip some

pressing incap roar and going into bear form gives you more threat as well

[jade flume]

Maybe tank noober

[oblique sleet]

Hey guys, could any experienced Balance player tell me what I could craft/improve besides obtaining Myth items from vault? Trying to maximize my build 😄
https://raider.io/characters/eu/doomhammer/Morcillo
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qTFefdHkjxwrokcbw2JsHS

Also, is this dmg decent? If not, any tips? Priory +14, didnt time it sadly,

[lofty depot]

Crafted staff better

Gigazap trinket bad

Jug or wax

Go sim top gear for use of dinars

U also don't have myth track tier

[nimble grove]

oab down last night

super happy

[lofty depot]

This is balance chat

Ur a rogue, get out

[signal temple]

[lofty depot]

Is that lfr OAB?

[nimble grove]

Mythic

[nimble grove]

i got banned from the rogue discord for saying ion should be executed

[lucid olive]

that windtools bar man

get it off my screen

[lofty depot]

The fuck is that

[lucid olive]

yeah maybe be a nice person

[lofty depot]

Yea u would be banned from here too

[nimble grove]

i deserved it

[tame cypress]

That UI gets worse the longer I look at it, ngl

[lucid olive]

dont u have enough war resources by now

its been years

[nimble grove]

i started in DFS3

im too scared to make any big adjustments to my elvui

[tame cypress]

Literally just start a new profile and make changes; if you don't like it, switch it back to the old profile lol

[lucid olive]

i was gonna ask whats the worst that can happen

but it seems it already happened

[tame cypress]

LOL

[nimble grove]

it works ok

if it aint broke dont fix it

[lofty depot]

It's broke

[tame cypress]

Oh it's broke, you just don't understand why it's broke

[drifting nova]

dragonfire shield 3? big

[lucid olive]

since you have that windtools bar i reckon you also annoy everyone youre in a party with announcing what mobs you kicked

and announcing when someone puts down feast etc too

[drifting nova]

surely not the avoidable addon too

[nimble grove]

...noooooooo

[lofty depot]

Rogue being annoying, never

[drifting nova]

as a matter of principle I brick every key with that addon

[lucid olive]

man windtools is only good for the mailbox thing it does

the rest you just disable on sight

[tame cypress]

You probably also have a WeakAura that screams something when you get a 5 roll, don't you?

[drifting nova]

you mean 69?

[nimble grove]

..nooooooo

[tame cypress]

Typical rogue player, smh.

❤️

Also what is wrong with your DPS meter, lmao

[nimble grove]

uh

well it was just stock standard details

but i got sick of having to drag it to see my fps

so i tried to figure out how to extend it upwards

but i just mucked it up

and im too scared to fiddle w it further

[spark anchor]

did u send ur oab kill in every discord

fair play

[nimble grove]

look man this is my first mythic raiding experience

im very proud

oh wait

[spark anchor]

understandable

game on young blood

[nimble grove]

ur the totemic good guy

[tame cypress]

If you didn't post your OAB kill in The Balance you're a coward

[spark anchor]

nah

[nimble grove]

https://tenor.com/view/its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-rob-mc-elhenney-mac-eye-contact-look-gif-5314617

[nimble grove]

i did

[tame cypress]

aight well played

[lofty depot]

Someone get the boss was harder months ago pasta

[oblique sleet]

Yeah, I don't do mythic raiding so well, can't do that
Will sim the staff, thanks
The trinket thing can't do much, only this one dropped 🤣
In terms of set, I have 5 right now, would you craft some piece? Which is generally better to replace? Have some myths but also some heroes

[lucid olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ukDzpS1zuhaocAp8kTW6UX

and get better trinket

[lofty depot]

Well it's week 500 so the assumption would've been u got any mythic track tier slot and catalyzed it

Trinket wise, if u e done 12s u could dinar wax

Or heroic raid and dinar'd jug I suppose

[oblique sleet]

Thank you guys!
Gotta look next season into using better my dinars, started playing wow a month ago and didn't know about simming until a week or so

So spent my 9 on things I shouldn't, like the weapon and such

[signal temple]

[frank escarp]

Has there been a post or video about the 11.2 PTR Keeper of the Grove tier set and how best to utilize it? (For example, Do you hold starsurge until next incarn when possible?)

[lucid olive]

there's no way to know for sure until there are sims available

there's been plenty of posts made on how the tier set functions beyond whats in the tooltip

can check pinned messages

[frank escarp]

Weird, on mobile I couldn't see the link to the video you made, thank you!

[lofty depot]

Time to get a better phone

[pseudo merlin]

Idk why pins are hidden by like 3 menus on phone

Discord is one of the apps of all time for sure

[ionic oak]

True

Arctic. You still a mage for 11.2?

[lofty depot]

I will be playing both for the first few weeks to see if we need a 2nd

Will likely have to keep it geared because said other mage is flakey

[spice roost]

@lucid olivei read the post on wow forums that u updated about the tier set is it still degenate bahavior enducing i dont quite understand i do understand it does not cast ss atm

[lucid olive]

yes i update the post whenever stuff change

[spice roost]

whats the degenerate part ?just the hp scaling ?

[lucid olive]

and the buff being consumed on spell hit, but damage calculated on cast end, so if you start casting Convoke when the Dryad is about to die, go out of range to bait out the Resto spells from the Convoke pool and then dip into range as you get the 4pc you can get 4-5 buffed surge casts

[spice roost]

oh ok

[dry compass]

we're reaching levels of degeneracy that shouldn't even be possible

[lucid olive]

badly designed ability

[dry compass]

feels like if they wanted to do something like this it shouldve been part of the hero talents from the start and given the appropriate amount of dev time and consideration

If only there had been people during beta saying kotg design was uninspired and imagine the other possibilities

https://tenor.com/view/snoopy-peanuts-charlie-brown-laugh-cartoon-gif-10063073985247548142

[spice roost]

this badly designed stuff doesnt change how we line up cds or use cds does it

?

[scenic mist]

we dont know yet

[spice roost]

ok

[lofty depot]

Or do we 🙂

[lucid olive]

we dont

[lofty depot]

"we"

[grave nimbus]

Do we use Best-in-Slots active ability in Gally Mythic Prog and if so - when?
it shares cd with other trinkets right? sry just got the item

[dry compass]

If you're using CDs and HoC/Signet is on cooldown, use BiS

which will end up being with your second CA + trees you're sending without a CA after that

[grave nimbus]

alright makes sense, thank you

[lofty depot]

Imagine specifically not using it because it's gally prog hmm

[dry compass]

imagine if it had a secret backfire when you tried to use it against gally

would be neat flavour but imagine the rage

[lofty depot]

Would've been a good April Fools joke

[scenic mist]

when in fight with gally, using BIS just shifts the mainstat

[cloud plover]

and becomes unusable

[scenic mist]

oh i like this

[desert otter]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BvnaFpxKC8d1AM4L?fight=28

is there something broken ? xd

[scenic mist]

wtf is this average surge dmg

[cloud plover]

blud cooked

[scarlet tapir]

least obvious exploiter...

[scenic mist]

1st starsurge crits for 10M

dude is using 11.2 4p baseline in 11.1.7

[lofty depot]

Yea ur raid does no damage, pretty broke

[desert otter]

i have no plan why it hits so hard

[cloud plover]

the whole log is bugged, cant even look at buffs so /shrug

nvm it worked after refreshing like 5 times

[desert otter]

[quiet swan]

doing raid testing later, whats our BIS trinkets and weapon?

[lucid olive]

why do you care about that if youre testing

[sudden pawn]

to parse? hello?

[quiet swan]

well Mythic testing want to push as far into the fights as possible

[lucid olive]

all your gear gets put to 676 ilvl or something

you can wear the same as u do on live it doesnt make a difference

[lofty depot]

But that's not my bis bis

[lucid olive]

@cloud plover

imagine riding deathwing

[cloud plover]

Imagine being this boomkin form

[lucid olive]

its bis

my tier set ugly

[lofty depot]

Tier set always ugly

Never Goku always some moose/tree/fairy bullshit

[cloud plover]

why do i have no mounts on this silly ptr

[lucid olive]

idk i have all mine

except for AH one

[cloud plover]

i have

36 mounts

and on live i have like 150+

[sudden pawn]

you have to pay again to get the AH mount on ptr

[lucid olive]

stupid i dont have the AH mount on my NA account either tbh

[lofty depot]

Gotta pay the tarrifs to import

[spark anchor]

how does this work

what

[lucid olive]

it doesnt

[desert otter]

for real no idea

[scenic mist]

[lucid olive]

since you're sharing it it's probably a broken log

or someone in your guild edited it

or you're exploiting and tryna be slick

[true viper]

they r live logging hes just exploiting

somehow getting 1 min convoke but being off the node or something

[lucid olive]

more than that

Has 5 uses of Heart of the Wild

that's a 5 minute CD

[true viper]

LOL

W exploit

Impressive

[lucid olive]

He linked the wipe

but did it on the kill too

lol

[obsidian jetty]

sometimes logs are just corrupt, but yea that usually means edited log

[lucid olive]

gg

had to edit log to keep up with hunter

[true viper]

unluck

[desert otter]

im not editing the log or something

[true viper]

?

[pallid bay]

speak into the microphone sir

[lucid olive]

https://tenor.com/view/interviewen-microphone-h3llomarc-interview-gif-26320768

[meager storm]

ggs perma

https://tenor.com/view/band-xqc-discord-7tv-forsen-gif-27586994

[lucid olive]

damn you put the space on the wrong part dak

[meager storm]

good one

[true viper]

Bros using 2 specs abilities at the same time

[meager storm]

i didnt even check the log, i flagged it

[lucid olive]

this raid is in danger

[lofty depot]

Any ptr gamers?

Where stream

[true viper]

🔜

[lofty depot]

3 dads, 0 stream

KK ty kb

[lucid olive]

can't believe kbdr took the spot after@eager raft got booted for stealing that poor guilds lockout

[true viper]

🤭

[lofty depot]

Damn, that's crazy

[meager storm]

oh 1 min convoke with 2 min talent good one

anything for ce

[errant flint]

Alrighty Im sure Im not the first but any PTR builds available to test?

[eager raft]

i think he framed me

[lofty depot]

Kotg the build is the same, there's some funny minmax shit u can do with maybe foe and rm

But just like now, if there's adds u take twin moons and ak maybe

[errant flint]

TY TY 🙂 and ty too Gamz

[lucid olive]

CYGAkuH5GdQpDrgY32rlVGnyqBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALUmtMGzMwDYWGLzMDYGbmlZWmZ2MmZGzyMLjxMGLYBAjltZ222mZZ2mpZmlZKAAEALMzMDYzYGD

You can test this one

I wouldn't thank me before you test it

[lofty depot]

Nice EC build dawg

[lucid olive]

thanks

i'm waiting for the EC orbit breaker starweaver hail of stars cook to be good..

[lofty depot]

Gonna be waiting awhile

Surely on soul hunters

[errant flint]

I dont have a great understanding of the talent synergy as of yet. Mostly testing to see how it flows.

[scarlet tapir]

what if the hunter also edited the log

[meager storm]

mm too op

let us be mm next tier

[lofty depot]

Well, if there's adds u want twin moons cuz u dot more mobs with moonfire..... If ur spamming starfall on a boss u want kindling so ur dots get refreshed. It's pretty easy to understand

[balmy mason]

ich grüße provoke und alle die das lesen

[lofty depot]

There's other talents that change but if ur testing flow.... Just rest the gally build

[lofty depot]

English

Also I'm provoked

[errant flint]

I do have another quesiton as Im liking boomy for mythic raiding/CE next tier more than I was last tier. How often is dreamgrove.gg updated whenever there is updates in talents or rarely rotational changes? Azor for hunters gets updated asap every time theres changes. I know historically boomy doesnt have many changes that effect talents or rotation during the tier.

[royal zenith]

As much as humanly possible

and depending on the passion of your bamkin experts

and historically they did have a lot of changes, just not this expansion

[errant flint]

I very much enjoy the mix max part of any class so I like fast info.

[errant flint]

Yea I only really played it this expac. Ive had it since SL ish but for farming :p

[royal zenith]

then it's fair ye

[oblique sleet]

Hey guys, trying to learn how to use the raidbots for improving my gear, wanna test If replacing any of my hero gear with crafted gear (have 5set rn and only really need 4) it's gonna be worth it

Do you guys can point me on some resource on how to do that? To learn this

[royal zenith]

You can basically add any gear you'd like in Topgear

at the top of all the gear options you can find this:

[lofty depot]

It is the most up to date piece of information always

[royal zenith]

look up what the gear (google -> wowhead) is called that you would like to add, search for it, select correct ilvl's

go

[lofty depot]

Azor for hunters wishes it was dreamgrove

[lofty depot]

Just live on discord and u'll get the most up to date info aswell

[lucid olive]

we do not need more permanent residents

[lofty depot]

When u quit in a tier who gonna be the new expert

Need more residents

[exotic perch]

we are always here

just less passionate as before lol

and more jaded

[royal zenith]

not a lot to be passionate about

but always want the latest info at least

[lethal sedge]

Gamz over here about to get us nerfed lol

[royal zenith]

I dunno, they should focus their attention on fdk's...

[lucid olive]

@meager storm it wasnt even a crit..

[errant flint]

Is there premade crafted sim string with the various stats to choose which item place to embelish or non-embelish craft?

[royal zenith]

Hmm dunno if Gamz added that in dreamgrove

[errant flint]

Nah get rekt fdks

[royal zenith]

basically these at the bottom

I do think more strings can be added but that's kind of a hellish works

gamz patreon when

like azor??

[lucid olive]

yeah i just add them when i think of ones to add

[royal zenith]

[lucid olive]

if you have any ideas on what strings could be added im all ears

[royal zenith]

well what beef described is one, but maybe for next tier

also are we even gonna wear embellishments

what slots do we have left next tier..

[fossil hemlock]

Bracers and gloves/shoulders. Belt also opens when they realise it's too strong and nerfs it ( )

[royal zenith]

I honestly dont think they will nerf it..

replace it when we get mythic gear woo

[fossil hemlock]

Wdym, they definitely nerfed cyrce's

[lucid olive]

wrists belt probably

not like youre gonna wear the delver belt that late..

for the first month you craft staff wrists i guess

cause doubt theres any hero staff better than crafted

[royal zenith]

yeah

[errant flint]

I would patreon some Gamz

js

[royal zenith]

iykyk

[lucid olive]

buymeacoffee link in the about section on Dreamgrove website

[royal zenith]

^

[errant flint]

I dont mind supporting people who put so much work into the game

I"ll check it out once Im done with work today

I mean Im hard at work

[thick vortex]

What's a working dps meter for ptr?

[royal zenith]

details works

probably need alpha version or w.e.

[thick vortex]

it says its out of date for me

[royal zenith]

dunno what the lore is rn, but you rmb click on details in curseforge and download the alpha version

maybe one of the PTR guys can give more info

[lucid olive]

yeah that doesnt make much of a difference tbh

[thick vortex]

yeah but details wont show

[lucid olive]

update it then

[lofty depot]

Myth weapon early boss, belt better than 723

[lofty depot]

Crafted oh, bracers maybe

Big poggy

[royal zenith]

checkbox at the top

[thick vortex]

oh lmao

thank you

[royal zenith]

[soft notch]

is there a catchup mechanic for Disc belt ilvl upgrades if we missed a week?

[fossil hemlock]

Yes, you just unlock the next one

[cloud plover]

crit/mastery balance druid to fish for as many crit starsurges as possible? who cares haste u stack infinite anyway

[royal zenith]

I know you're an spriest player

but please don't litter our discord with feelycrafting

thank you puppy

[cloud plover]

cant hear u until u respond to my good morning posts again sry

if ur ignoring those u can ignore that too

[royal zenith]

I'm selective

which is my right

[cloud plover]

true

im selective in opinions i listen to then and choose to dismiss that one

[royal zenith]

well yeah, that's your problem!!

[cloud plover]

Nuh uh

Yours now

[lofty depot]

Why would I stack Crit when I always have 50% chance

[violet hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/genius-shit-snoop-dogg-phat-tuesdays-thats-genius-its-genius-gif-24914106

[runic pendant]

is this a normal details breakdown for ToP?

[clever vigil]

every cast is a crit if I can't see how much damage it does 💯

[runic pendant]

felt like he was kinda shit

i don play boomie myself

[cloud plover]

could be 100%

[royal zenith]

if you play EC, starfire will probably be top damage yes

[lofty depot]

Impossible

[cloud plover]

bet

ill show u

[runic pendant]

just felt weird

it's a 16 ToP and he did 2.6 overall

[royal zenith]

you can open Warcraftlogs

[lofty depot]

Posting a details meter is definitely a way to see if he's shit or not

[royal zenith]

check other boomkins

[cloud plover]

ill edit a log to have 100% crit in all

[royal zenith]

same keylvl etc.

[cloud plover]

[royal zenith]

yeah that's pretty bad

[runic pendant]

:D

[lofty depot]

It's a 16, Shit falls over wcyd

[round field]

My shit priest does more dps

[cloud plover]

big fan of iqnipriest

[lofty depot]

Maybe bamkin doesn't raid

Has shit gear

[round field]

My priest is 640...

[civic sinew]

does tierset bonus surge dmg benefit from modifiers

like treant buff, eclipse buff, CA buff

[lucid olive]

they should yes

theres no spellID for the bonus damage other than the AoE damage

so assume that it just makes Starsurge do more damage and has the same properties as a regular Starsurge

[round field]

I love

When my expert

Assumes

Expert yapper

[round field]

Visit england and and get big fan of knives in birmingham

[balmy light]

ST

[royal zenith]

thing bamkin needs an aura buff

struggling a bit

[lofty depot]

Wow big numby thanks for sharing

[lofty depot]

Can't wait for them to see the logs and nerf not the buff

[royal zenith]

can be anything at this point with bliz

[lofty depot]

Probably nerf it to 1% of damage done capped to 5m :/

[hoary lotus]

some1 got ptr logs ?

[lofty depot]

Warcraftlogs does

[balmy light]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/reports?zone=44

[royal zenith]

scroll down on the main page of wcl

[balmy light]

bro ur not funny

who are u

[lofty depot]

?

[pseudo merlin]

He got you

[royal zenith]

don't think arctic realizes what the screenshot is

truly unfortunate

[lofty depot]

Yea definitely

[spark anchor]

"nerf not the buff"

[lofty depot]

Type shit

[scarlet tapir]

i think deva needs a buff type shit

[lofty depot]

Disgustingly op for months, seek help

[meager storm]

280 mil crit feels alright

[meager storm]

what about it

[lofty depot]

The d in dakd means damage

[meager storm]

[oblique sleet]

thank you, think i done it
now know my next 2 upgrades, probably final of the crafted too 😄
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9AzprBJMm3vpMxLmBbMbMH

[royal zenith]

seems like you managed to do it yeah, I usually do way more combo's though

also with other gear you might have

now or in the future

[lofty depot]

can also change any of this shit

also change this to latest

[grave nimbus]

is there a macro / wa / addon that turns your camera 180 degrees before using wild charge as balance?
i sometimes do it too fast and jump in a 90 degree angle instead of 180 (forward) xD

[oblique sleet]

Ty for the tips, will try tomorrow again and see if I can improve it more! 😃

[round field]

no get better

[lofty depot]

right click screen turn and press button

said wa/addon sounds against tos

[grave nimbus]

doing the camera turn slower makes it more consistent but feels weirds yeah... but thanks anyway guys 🙂

[meager storm]

gangy

what is this

[lofty depot]

u mean this

[meager storm]

shhh

sandbag brother

[lofty depot]

says the one not sandbagging

[meager storm]

did u see that one

[exotic perch]

please where is the log for this lmao

[lofty depot]

ye

[meager storm]

11.5

[lofty depot]

11.47*

sandbag brother

[meager storm]

[lofty depot]

dev "wow that dryad is still doing a lot of dmage"

[royal zenith]

I think

you should post at least 10 more screenshots about big starsurges

maybe we'll get the point

big maybe though

[meager storm]

yes

not enough till they change us

[lofty depot]

deux is a hater

[meager storm]

i dont want hp scaling

and i will keep posting till they see it

[lofty depot]

mad cuz bad

[meager storm]

[royal zenith]

literally hating on kads and dickriding dakd

that's crazy

[lofty depot]

i hate all, equally

except dak

cant hate him

[meager storm]

[calm ibex]

No way, artic hates me

Brb crying

True though dak is cool

[meager storm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/z3yDcRQv4BXjVq18

[exotic perch]

god its so funny to see those breakdowns

blizzard was cooking hard on this tierset

[meager storm]

worse than venthyr

i love it

[lofty depot]

dont u mean better

[meager storm]

i mean better on dmg worse on how the graphs look

this is worse than what venthyr looked like

[royal zenith]

flameshaper druid

[twin lotus]

did you guys also find the bosses a bit too easy? We 19 maned the Soulbinder

[meager storm]

kinda

[royal zenith]

they're the first bosses

[meager storm]

depends on how many boomies u had too

that too

[royal zenith]

and they give you bosses you can kill on PTR, so you can test all the mechanics

and/or see enrage

[twin lotus]

I guess it's a number tuning thing. Mechanics felt ok for first bosses

[meager storm]

bugussy was doing a lot of dmg on p2 with the soaks so

[twin lotus]

Glorp and rercuite legit giga cooking

[meager storm]

just a numbers thing

[lofty depot]

correct, ur bosses are scaled to like 676

[twin lotus]

+20% avoidance but idk how much that helps

[twin lotus]

Do you have a source for that? We were tuned for 695 and bosses were 676?

[lofty depot]

oh was it 676 before

tragic

[twin lotus]

[lofty depot]

was heroic

[royal zenith]

I mean these bosses are not tuned at all

you are just scaled to reasonable ilvl

that's all

[lofty depot]

ye

[royal zenith]

first time on ptr?

[twin lotus]

yes actually

pretty fun

[cloud citrus]

people going to be like 700-706 ilvl going into mythic at this rate

[nova ocean]

Is that from this week or before the fixed the bug with the dryad

[meager storm]

this week

[lucid olive]

It's from tonight's testing

[nova ocean]

That's so bad lol

[meager storm]

our dryad is doing 0 dmg

we are undertuned

ty blizzard

[lofty depot]

"the bug with the dryad"

[meager storm]

what is happening with bm tho

[nova ocean]

Black arrow go bur

I think Is the issue

[meager storm]

it is not black arrow

they dont play that hero talent

[nova ocean]

O wat is it then it's one ability I'm pretty sure

[meager storm]

idk

looks fine

stampede is high but its an aoe fight

[nova ocean]

A hunter in my guild said something about beast cleave too

[meager storm]

[royal zenith]

seen plenty of weird shit tonight

like 4 to 5 classes will get owned

meanwhile arms trying to be of importance

other than being a raidbuff

[nova ocean]

It's a circus right now

They've barely tuned and wat they have tuned hasn't helped

[lofty depot]

arms is important for my rallying call

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

or fury 🙂

[meager storm]

we are not getting owned this is our tier

we just had to wait 3 years

its finally here

holy

we are so back

[lofty depot]

soooooooo back

[meager storm]

he knew

[thorny quiver]

Is there a way to macro Force of Nature to cast on your current target?

[lofty depot]

just on cursor

[thorny quiver]

ah ok

was hoping there might be a "on target" solution

[scarlet tapir]

I see into the future. I see u also rerolling off druid cause it will be giga ass due to nerfs 💔

[meager storm]

trust me if i didnt reroll the past 8 tiers

im not rerolling now

[scarlet tapir]

LO

[vital hound]

nothing more based

than shade maintaining 2 high level boomkins on the roster

some 5d chess for when boomkin is op in 15.2

[lofty depot]

liquid has 4

[vital hound]

theyve all ditched that shit

@delicate perch's mate is a dragon now

riven is a sp

[lofty depot]

no

[vital hound]

idek who else that had

sang's entire identity now

is being the guy that got the first leggo

on dragon

[lofty depot]

tobo, goop, sang, riven

oo nick can play too 😛

[vital hound]

i see one boomkin

[lofty depot]

oo boom too

[meager storm]

if i see a single feral

[vital hound]

#freetobo

[meager storm]

boomie guy can prob play boomie

[vital hound]

tbf anyone can play boomkin

[lofty depot]

true anyone can

[vital hound]

even this new Player Agency Focused™ version requires your focus for 23 seconds

then its done

[vital hound]

[lofty depot]

except for this guy

hes a degenerate

[vital hound]

my goat

altho im more partial to numbered characters than letters

[lofty depot]

twosune

[lucid olive]

Nah he played moonkin in Undermine

Only saw play on Stix

Dirtlord bless up

[vital hound]

🇰🇷

bro got to press starfall for 100 pulls

thought he was back

[lofty depot]

nick played stix bamkin and was asking eclipse questions

itssssssssssss fine

[turbid crypt]

what's the two items ppl are mostly likely crafting for 11.2 to 681 in preparation?

[lucid olive]

That reminds me I should just spend my sparks and crests and craft every slot

Just in case

[meager storm]

crafting wrists and shoulders or something

[lofty depot]

wrist, oh, shoulders prob

[sudden pawn]

wrists boots

the boots that pump ur cloak are super rare

unless u plan on gifting them to urself when they drop

(the right thing to do)

[meager storm]

boomy op

we are prio

[sudden pawn]

[lucid olive]

Myth crafted gonna be like 719 or something

You'd just do belt then

No way delver belt at 701 is better

[lofty depot]

"no way"

[lucid olive]

Circlet had some scaling shenanigans on it but the delver belt powers are basically just raw stat procs

[vital hound]

crafting one of every slot

[lucid olive]

I crafted a PvP item at the start of this season cause I needed somewhere to put my armor banding cause I got better wrists from m+ first week

So now I'll just craft one of every slot to make sure I don't have to PvP again

[obsidian jetty]

10k vers proc during ramp is kinda nice...

stats on a belt are pretty low

[nova ocean]

The boot is personal loot

[sudden pawn]

is it?

[obsidian jetty]

on normal it was rolled for

on ptr

[sudden pawn]

making shit up

[vital hound]

why tell truth when can make up

[potent cargo]

true and real

[digital berry]

anyone can play almost any class, let's not pretend other classes are monumentally more difficult then balance

[vital hound]

uh

have you read a sp guide

[delicate perch]

[vital hound]

its has like 4x the content of dg

[obsidian jetty]

between the eyes, ambush spammer outlaw was pretty hard. But I coulda prob got better at it with more WA

idk what outlaw does rn

[vital hound]

[meager storm]

Mm is probably close to boomy on difficulty

[nova ocean]

That's cause it's ptr. It literally listed as bonus loot on the journal it's not very rare

[celest narwhal]

Shadow priest?

I don’t think it’s much harder AT ALL

[lucid olive]

Arcane isn't particularly hard either even though Barrage has like 50 conditions on when to press it

Complexity and difficulty are separate things

Like Feral dot snapshotting is not a very complex mechanic to understand, but is difficult to do optimally

[vital hound]

the ceilings are significantly higher

[placid vault]

new to boomkin but realistically has boomkin ever been this OP prior to a raid

[vital hound]

which i think is the barometer for class difficulty

[lucid olive]

Yes

And then we get ourselves nerfed

And we're dogshit for the raid

[vital hound]

still outperform the rest of your guild tho

[obsidian jetty]

wasn't it just last xpac where we had the free spender every time we shifted

[lucid olive]

It's the cycle of PTR

[obsidian jetty]

this xpac ptr rather*

[lucid olive]

Uuuh that was DF no?

I assume you mean Furor

[vital hound]

yea i think that was new talent tree funniness

tww beta boomkin

[lucid olive]

The predecessor to Lycaras and Fluid Form

[vital hound]

was painfully uninteresting

[obsidian jetty]

yea furor

[lofty depot]

yea they didnt like us having fun

[lucid olive]

Yeah we had that for 1 round of raid testing before talent was removed

[vital hound]

[lucid olive]

Topping damage with spamming a macro lmfao

[obsidian jetty]

idk, we always get some cooked shit, we figure out how to optimize it well, get it nerfed, end up shit

except for the time we didn't figure out venth until patch was live

then we were OP

[lucid olive]

Gg..

Maybe it's good that we don't have sims yet

Also writing APL for ramp must be hell

[vital hound]

maybe we just

[obsidian jetty]

I think if you tie it to CA charges, it shouldn't be too bad...

[vital hound]

disregard ptr

and figure it out on live

that way they have no data

[obsidian jetty]

but it would need it's own apl lines really, because that would scuff every other build probably

[obsidian jetty]

this is the warlock way

they've been perfecting it for years

[vital hound]

i think they test

they just lie on their apl

bit different innit

lol

[obsidian jetty]

nah, I don't think it's malicious

[vital hound]

razor ig

[obsidian jetty]

they just put like 10% effort in, then 130% on w1 patch

and all the sudden "wow warlock is actually pretty good!!"

[lofty depot]

lock just got a lot of buffs

isss fine

[vital hound]

[meager storm]

kalamazi video after patch drops "WE FOUND A NEW TALENT COMBINATION +20% dmg"

[lofty depot]

[lucid olive]

Yeah it was bad for 1 week..

And blizzard jumps up to fix their lovechild

[lofty depot]

lock on the bottom of meter "oh shit gotta buff"

[lucid olive]

Healthstone is a raid buff!!

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/biYiT.gif

ion when warlock is middle of the pack

https://tenor.com/bvBar.gif

ion when boomkin isnt bottom

[shut trench]

is the bear form b4 popping surges in ptr a bug ?

[obsidian jetty]

no, the set has a cap on how much it can add to your surges. They made the cap based on 50% of your HP

I imagine they will change it, but it's working as "intended"

[shut trench]

is this something that we can find in a spell tooltip or not

[obsidian jetty]

no, just found it out through trial and error

[lofty depot]

the damage stored is on the dryads favor buff

[stiff spear]

how's the balance tier set looking for season 3? does it feel good to play?

[lofty depot]

degenerate to play sure

good to play if u like doing some techy stuff

[obsidian jetty]

oh, yea you can see the number, just had to find out the correlation yourself

[stiff spear]

worse than ele shaman?

[lofty depot]

different degenerate

[shut trench]

so u basically just bear at the last sec b4 the dryad timer fades off

[cloud citrus]

very different from ele rng

[lofty depot]

its not rng thats degenerate

[shut trench]

so it can count it for the bear hp going into the buff

[lofty depot]

ele hasnt been degenerate like boomkin

[obsidian jetty]

yea, but up to you if you want to practice it. I do think it will get changed

[stiff spear]

what makes it degenerate?

[shut trench]

agree witn arctic its cringe to play

[lofty depot]

yea before the dryad despawns

[obsidian jetty]

you also need to do enough damage to go over the cap for it to be a dmg increase to do so

[lofty depot]

the layering of stuff

having buffs up for certain times, bear forming stuff

[obsidian jetty]

and if you're CA you need to time it well enough that you can either enter boomy again, or sit out of boomy and 2 surge with -10% dmg from moonkin

[shut trench]

ah so theirs a wa involved XD

[lofty depot]

can ask for rallying cry during cds

[obsidian jetty]

the timing is tight unless you play incarn

[stiff spear]

what? you gotta go bear form in boomy?

that sounds dumb as hell

[cloud citrus]

imagine hp increases become a boomy cd would be amazing

[obsidian jetty]

you would want one yea, but you can mostly get a feel for it based on what CDs you're using

[cloud citrus]

using the pvp trinket for another 8 mil hp

[obsidian jetty]

like in lust with all CDs and pot, you're probably hitting the cap

[lofty depot]

well more damage so yea

[shut trench]

its a 2x on use trinket then to reach the cap

[lofty depot]

well u 2nd on use for the 2nd cd

but u can reach the cap on first as well

[frail sonnet]

what build you guys using for dungeons on ptr?

[shut trench]

idealy trees has to be delayed around 2 secs after going into incarn right to max surge dmg, but i do think its more worth to send b4 incarn to reach that cap

[frail sonnet]

should be good with this one?

[lofty depot]

Convoke in m+, no

[frail sonnet]

hmmm, true

[lofty depot]

Might run foe

Might run mushrooms, who knows.

[frail sonnet]

taking off astronomic impact i think

[lofty depot]

No

also idk if the hero talents change

its ptr go test some shit

[shut trench]

what u think about what i wrote above last msg

[lofty depot]

correct

well depends at sequence ur on during ur uhh ramp we'll call it

[obsidian jetty]

just a math question. 24% dmg on 2 big surges vs 24% dmg on w/e you cast and 5% of that being added to pool

I would guess 24% on the 2 big surges always beats out, even if you don't reach cap. But I havn't done the math

[shut trench]

what does the cap give u anyway?

[obsidian jetty]

base surge dmg

like a natty surge tooltip when I hover it on ptr is like 890k. The 4p can add 5mil

[lofty depot]

currently can add like 7-15m surge dam

but yea someting like that

[obsidian jetty]

the more HP, the higher the added dmg, assuming you can reach the cap

[shut trench]

i surely hope this bs doesnt hunt us to live

[lofty depot]

what do u mean hunt us

or hurt us

[shut trench]

Hunt

[lofty depot]

lol could cap the damage 3% of our total damage idk capped at 5m 😛

[shut trench]

such degenrate gameplay as u call it

[lofty depot]

welcome to boomkin

[obsidian jetty]

they always change things that make us go another form for rotational damage

so it's not likely to stay

[lofty depot]

half the tier doesnt work still

so who knows

[shut trench]

noooo the spec is fun its only this stuff that gets u to dislike it

[lofty depot]

the spec is fun is a crazy statement

[dense steeple]

im fuckin FREE

[meager storm]

[lofty depot]

i mean, what dork thought capping it to our hp was smart

take them out back

[obsidian jetty]

for all we know some guy mighta just copy pasted some code

and didn't even think

[lofty depot]

type shit

[vital hound]

i think you can only reach cap

in aoe

[lofty depot]

factually inaccurate

[meager storm]

[vital hound]

im cosplaying as a warlock

gatekeep gaslight girlboss

[obsidian jetty]

my first pull on first boss and I forgor to hotw

[lofty depot]

nice pixels

[obsidian jetty]

I could make it worse

idk why they even have a 160p option lmao

[lofty depot]

so i can listen on my phone and have no lag

[vital hound]

[nova ocean]

Is this a censored dick pic

[celest narwhal]

can we no longer stack up the dyrad buff ?

messing arounbd on ptr

[lofty depot]

what do u mean stack up

[celest narwhal]

how we were doin that big crits

[spice roost]

he means overlapping ca

[lofty depot]

well were still doing big crits so if u mean doubleing up on incarn no

[spice roost]

back toi back

[lofty depot]

u hold the buff til your next cd

by spending asp on starfall

[celest narwhal]

same for m+ i assume

[lofty depot]

yea depends when u want to use the buff

[celest narwhal]

yer

[lofty depot]

incarn a lot easier to use buff cuz u have 5 seconds

[celest narwhal]

ye

can use it end of ur buff

[lofty depot]

yessem

[celest narwhal]

hm. do you roll them if u got incarns up?

or just send em at the end

[lofty depot]

well ur running whirling so u just hold til ur next tress

then u can roll it again on 3rd incarn or send it on 2nd

again it kinda depends

[nova ocean]

Really wish ca was longer so we could convoke instead of incarn

[celest narwhal]

I got my summoned dryad to hit for 18m

thats NOICE

[lofty depot]

the dryad doesnt do damage

[celest narwhal]

ym drays favor hit for 18m

is that not it casting them>

[lofty depot]

dryads favor is the buff splash

[celest narwhal]

so if detaisl sayd drayads did 18m and had an 80m starsurge crit

my starsurge did a total of 98?

[lofty depot]

well no, its the splash

[celest narwhal]

ah

[lofty depot]

its like 20% of the surge damage hits other targets

[celest narwhal]

i see

[lofty depot]

on ST, u dont have any

[celest narwhal]

ye

so the dmg stacking buff is hidden

[lofty depot]

it doesnt have its own line on details or logs

but u can look for the buff

[celest narwhal]

follow up: does it have a timer like the favor does

[lofty depot]

does what

[celest narwhal]

the 5% of total added to next 2 Surge

[lofty depot]

favor is the buff

so the timer for that buff is the 2 surges

[celest narwhal]

got it

[lofty depot]

the only other thing to track is the dryad which lasts 10 seconds

[celest narwhal]

yeh

and then after I send or hold

depending what the pack loosk like if m+ or if my next CA/convoke or whatever it is up to stack higher

for ST

[lofty depot]

yea but theres a cap to what is stored

5% of ur total damage during dryad (10s) capped to 50% of ur hp

which in aoe can pretty easily be hit

[celest narwhal]

So in AOE it is better to send them right after for that max AOE it does

but in ST is worth holding (if needed) since there is no splash dmg

[lofty depot]

depends on the pull i suppose

[celest narwhal]

yeah always

if its gonna die just hold and do at the start of the next pull or what not

[lofty depot]

ye

[celest narwhal]

situation as alwaus

Has more variance in aoe that ST

and besides needing to save the stored dmg for some sort of sheild phasing ect. is there any actual dps benefit to stacking the stored dmg eather than just sending it

[lofty depot]

uhh depends what buffs u might have

on ST is tough to hit cap sometimes

[celest narwhal]

True

[lofty depot]

and theres different caps

depending on say if u have hotw up or not

one is 7m, the other is 12m or something

[celest narwhal]

i didnt even think of HOTW

[lofty depot]

dont know if u were thinking bear form either

but nonetheless

[celest narwhal]

A lot more to it than I know

[nova ocean]

The HP cap thing I feel is a really weird thing to use for our tier. Like wouldn't our damage scale faster then the cap

[celest narwhal]

Qill just wait for compendium to explain it all LOL

[lofty depot]

well at 12m cap which is hotw with bear form... ur at like 22m hp or w.e.

[celest narwhal]

yeh

Priest, Aug, Rally

[lofty depot]

thats 240m damage in 10s

[nova ocean]

O god I can't wait for rally to be used as a dps buff for boomys lol

[nova ocean]

How do u get bear form to count exactly like do u just need to shift to it once or are u using the few seconds of hp increase u get after u shift back to moonkin form to do more damage?

[celest narwhal]

max hp somehwere around 37m in raid xd

[lofty depot]

shift before the dryad despawns

[celest narwhal]

if all goes perfectly

[nova ocean]

God that is such cringe gameplay

[nova ocean]

There's a reason demo tyrant or watever it was doesn't scale with lock hp anymore

[lofty depot]

hes at 22m or so

[celest narwhal]

ye

[lofty depot]

suppose u mean with rally or something

[celest narwhal]

but im saying if you like disgusting stacked everything

Aug buff priest buff, donw pour ansetral vigor

[lofty depot]

gonna need resto sham to run apt aswell

[celest narwhal]

and then another 10% there

https://not-even-close.com/

and just punched in my Stam and then selected all HP buffs

ik some are gonna change maybe

[nova ocean]

Is there a tank trinket for more HP lol

[celest narwhal]

would probs lose