balance

[dense steeple]

like they dont desrve to be associated with those morons

[round field]

Classic is legit

10x harder than retail

On retail you just get handheld by weakauras and boss mods

[maiden pasture]

😭

[round field]

While rotation is dumbed down to 1 button

Its legit piss easy

[placid olive]

Commit to that bit brother!

[round field]

You wouldnt last 10 seconds inside firelands

[dense steeple]

send all classic andies to alligator alcatraz

[mighty mica]

?

[round field]

You included

[scarlet tapir]

love pressing same 1 button till im out of mana

on classic

[round field]

same as current boomkin

except u dont run out of mana

[pseudo merlin]

pls no, it'd be full instantly

poor alligators

Cheeto fed human flesh can't be good for them

[lofty depot]

U mean the alligators would be full

[pseudo merlin]

they'd overeat

[cloud plover]

why scythe no drop :(

[round field]

cause u smell

[pseudo merlin]

you need more stars with smilies

???

[dense steeple]

nice

[pseudo merlin]

there's 5 actually

1 is in my inventory

[dense steeple]

sheesh

[dense steeple]

who cares about scythe the real reward is the trinket

[pseudo merlin]

Dude

I still dont have the fucking trinket

idk how many runs I did

Btw these goblin portals have to be bugged

you get 6 shards from a bag, 10x a day, after that a chance to get shards

im still only getting 0-1 per bag

[dense steeple]

that sounds appropriate

[pseudo merlin]

I did 10 things 3 days ago

yesterday i did nothing

today i did nothing

and im now getting 0-1 shards

that's not right for sure

[dense steeple]

OH

no i misread

no its 10 bags guaranteed a week per account

[pseudo merlin]

oh per week

rip

you mean 10 bags with 6 shards yea

[dense steeple]

yeah you can only be guaranteed like 6 mogs total

you have to hard farm

if you want all classes

[pseudo merlin]

event is 6 weeks?

wait damn

[royal zenith]

what do the shards even do

I have no clue

can I buy something with that

[pseudo merlin]

recolor anniversary tier sets

[high zodiac]

Is it a dps loss in lower keys (10-12 range) to refresh dots on most trash packs? after tossing moon/sunfire out while running in?

[pseudo merlin]

SF does it for you

otherwise you still abide by the normal rules for dotting

which is 6s for MF and 5.5 (-0.5/t) for SUF iirc

which makes me wonder how you'd get to that question in the first place

Are you just starsurging?

[cloud plover]

fun to sell one by one

[cloud plover]

what trinket

norgannon's something?

[pseudo merlin]

yes

the legendary one

[cloud plover]

i got like 3 of these by now but they're just purple rarity

[dense steeple]

not the same one

[cloud plover]

amanthuls vision?

[dense steeple]

theres an epic version for each type of palyer, mdps, rdps, heal,tank

and then theres a legendary one

[pseudo merlin]

gg

@dense steeple I think you can farm like 100-120 an hour in undermine tbh

[dense steeple]

correct

[pseudo merlin]

@royal zenith

[royal zenith]

I really dislike any druid mog

[pseudo merlin]

wtf dude

[royal zenith]

the only good part is that it's HD

[lofty depot]

Claws, antlers, a dress.... Like can we be creative.... The monk one was fucking goku

[pseudo merlin]

monk tier is huge

but like monk tier is always huge

[obsidian jetty]

just gotta take the good parts and mix them with better items

they keep making these ugly legs/chest/gloves for us

but pgood shoulder/helm

[pseudo merlin]

TRue yeah

I try to look at individual parts, there's always something that could be good

Like next season druid tier as a whole might be the most atrocious set they've ever made if you ask me

But I could probably use some of it

[maiden pasture]

is this a custom site or wtf is this xd

[cloud plover]

obviously

[stone ledge]

They made the 20th anniversary mogs for the missing classes cause they’ll be in classic+ bwl copium

[merry mango]

While we are dotting every mob, if we cap on astral power do we throw down a starfall before we continue dotting so as to not sit on capped AP for a long time?

[signal temple]

Never cap on AP, yes.

Just blast your Starfalls or Starsurges

[digital berry]

You generally shouldn’t be in that position if possible, try not to exit a pull with like 80 asp knowing you’ll have to dot a bunch of shit

But you can throw a starfall since it’s dinamic and it lasts 8 seconds just to not sit capped

[merry mango]

ty guys

[fossil cipher]

Got me First CE Yesterday. I know its Not the biggest achievement Here, But im very proud. Thanks to the compendium and the people here.

[pseudo merlin]

That's awesome! Gratz!

[dense steeple]

never feel like you didnt earn it

just because someone else did it first

yo ravec i got my first mount

[hollow robin]

what is the best way to sim for m+?

[lofty depot]

Now time to post ur log so it's can tell u how to be god gamer

[lofty depot]

There aren't perfect ways so either mdt or 1t5m

[drifting dragon]

did they fixed/nerfed the ptr tierset pls?

kotg tierset ofc*

[lofty depot]

Fixed no, nerfed yes

Can't tell how it majorly effects cuz still bugs

[drifting dragon]

ty

[lofty depot]

Surely they'll fix the bug before raid testing

[meager storm]

no

so they see we do no dmg

buff us

then fix it

then we do more dmg

[lofty depot]

Gonna not communicate it either

[vital hound]

its insane that the changes werent in the notes

[drifting dragon]

yea this is weird

[drifting nova]

still a goat mount

[dense steeple]

its actually an ostrich

[velvet hound]

can anyone help me out with this macro?
#showtooltip
/cast [talent:1/2]Warrior of Elune;[@cursor,talent:1/3]Force of Nature(Talent)

im not 100% why its not applying

[dense steeple]

looks like the old 3 tier talent macro setup

[velvet hound]

im pretty sure i have similar macros on my shaman, but im not positive why this isnt changing with the talent swap

[dense steeple]

when was the last time you played boomy

[severe hollow]

im 99% sure the talent:1/2 or 1/3 just isnt a thing with the new talent tree

you can use known:spell name instead

[velvet hound]

i dont think ive used WoE in a while, mostly just casually on and off

[velvet hound]

this is what i was missing thanks

[drifting nova]

only..15 years ago I got it and anzu same day

[lofty depot]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:205636,@cursor] Force of Nature;
/cast [known:202425] Warrior of Elune;

[vital hound]

@lucid olive

get got @carmine vigil is new head chef

[carmine vigil]

no lust no funnel

im pre sure

u can get that to 1b really easily

[nova ocean]

Wait so we are still able to do like 200million ss hits with the changes to the kotg tier?

[loud kettle]

gonna have to be night elf to drop aggro after pushing starsurge

[nova ocean]

Boo

Well they will fix that too then anyway

[orchid roost]

guys with the keeper of the grove build sometimes ill be out of eclipse and only sunfire is pandemic and moonfire has like 10s on it, is it a bad habit to just refresh both there?

[lofty depot]

well thats amped

surely

or 5t cleaved

but on st... ive seen 146mil

[nova ocean]

O ya that would make sense

146 is still good

Crit though?

[lofty depot]

obvi

[drifting nova]

does kt have a surname?

[stone ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-nice-great-excellent-the-boys-gif-15593741

[signal temple]

Leech and Speed?

[stone ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-identify-as-poor-chris-rock-chris-rock-selective-outrage-im-not-wealthy-im-broke-gif-7068350681723523282

just 3% avoidance sadge

[ivory geyser]

Could i perhaps get some high level suggestions? According to WowAnalyzer i'm consistently only getting around 65% Eclipse uptime and around 75% Fury uptime. Since I feel like i'm hitting them on cooldown, any suggestions on how to catch it when I'm missing them being available?

[lofty depot]

uptime on a log is pretty dumb to look at

post a log and u can find more important problems

[ivory geyser]

ok. thanks.

[lofty depot]

u gonna post said log

allo?

knock knock

[vital hound]

ya big momma amp

[lofty depot]

yea i just saw the starfall but didnt know what it would be

[fossil cipher]

I was pretty busy trying not to mess Something Up but Here you Go. Teach me how to be a god Gamer.

https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Mw12BWxkv7nLA9Jh?fight=28&type=damage-done

I was Tunnel visioning on the Boss and didnt do enough damage on the adds.

[lofty depot]

the fuck are those

not precasting?

or failing?

[fossil cipher]

Raidlead very anal about Not pulling the Boss to early.

[lofty depot]

so dont pull it early

cast at 3 and get 3 wraths off

ezpz

[fossil cipher]

Normaly im precasting at 3

[lofty depot]

if thatw as the case ur opener would look like this

generally i held this surge cuz u need to hurry and get into eclipse

before the lazers move u know

this is seen obviously by u casting 2 sunfires here

u didnt dot any of the adds

[fossil cipher]

True true.

[lofty depot]

1 of those is forsure a cancel idk about the other

but dotting in CA isnt correct

this me

sunfired and moonfired tech

thats a dps loss

the other 2 moonfires are on tech

but none the less seems odds

[fossil cipher]

This is add Spawn?

[lofty depot]

i understand that

but ur dotting boss 2 times

[fossil cipher]

The Pic you posted

[lofty depot]

o

[fossil cipher]

Wasnt trying to be Rude

[lofty depot]

uhh yea

sunfire is when htey spawn

thats the first set

[fossil cipher]

I have the tendency to Cast dots on Boss If im moving and Dont have AP for surges

Prob that

[lofty depot]

u spammed it twice while standing in a canister

which also

that surge at 1:15

should be a starfall

damn ur monks dont know how to de-enrage

makign u do it

tragic

[fossil cipher]

Im so writing all of that down

I was sooth Monkey ye

[lofty depot]

yea cringe

make mw do it

[clever ibex]

no dedicated ptr channel for balance right?

[lofty depot]

no

can ask ur question

[lofty depot]

ur moving a lot

[clever ibex]

if anyone tried, which m+ dungeon is gonna be most ass for balance next s?

how does new dung feel?

[fossil cipher]

True. Need to wild Charge more

[lofty depot]

nah need to bait beam less lol

[fossil cipher]

Risk blasting inside the room LUL

[lofty depot]

ur really not

if the range arent stacked and melee are it will chosoe them

[fossil cipher]

For real?

[lofty depot]

yes

[fossil cipher]

Damn

[lofty depot]

and generally speaking u have 2 mages

they can sit in melee and bait

but funny bamkin sit out in narnia

[fossil cipher]

I was assigned farthest Container. I was Panic moving a lot

[lofty depot]

this is the canister into beam bait

me

[lofty depot]

yea and even more so because of that

[fossil cipher]

Would you mind sending me your log so i can have a look at that?

[lofty depot]

should hold that til 218

[fossil cipher]

I appreciate all the feedback!

[lofty depot]

when the adds are out

[lofty depot]

lol i just swapped back to bamkin

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y6mBn8LVvQ7G1Tk4?fight=184&type=casts&source=1643&view=timeline

first kill

me shit

also so many good pulls all night

and then the kill pull i do like 200m

[lofty depot]

this is also bad ur probably in CA here

but yea thats the point of holding it so u can get cds during it after dotting

[fossil cipher]

Need to get better at holding cds

[lofty depot]

u guys have 4 people always going to canister 4

hm

[fossil cipher]

One backup

[calm ibex]

We do that too but we just have healer soaks go in canister too

[lofty depot]

doesnt look like a backup

looks like an always

these adds are spawning right and u casted 2 wraths and a starfall before dotting

theyre 80% by the time u send ur first dot

so yea u moved all the way from there to bait hte last beam

first u wild changed fro mthe spot than ran back so u dont have anything to get there right

but then it just causes all of this

this ca/convoke gets held aswell

410

and then yea it happens again where ur dotting in ca

at the end mind u but still shouldnt be doing that

generally speaking, dont use trees at the end of an eclipse

[fossil cipher]

Need lots of practice.was kinda nervous because of First CE kill

[fossil cipher]

Better to hold?

[lofty depot]

u dont lose anything by holding as long as u dont hold for more than 15 seconds

there are times where were holding just cuz theres like an add set coming

if u look at lorrgs u can see it a bit better

but its also just a fundamental thing about doing damage

trees give a 24% dam increase

u want to use that increase when ur most likely to do the most damage

and generally were dumping surges at the start of eclipse

see u did it here

ezpz

[fossil cipher]

I will try to do all of that the next time we face this knucklehead

Thanks for taking the time

[lofty depot]

ye

[lofty depot]

also idk if trees was up before ca here

but u shouldve held one of them so they lined up with each other

dam was almost not a kill

look at all these noobs

thats actually crazy i didnt notice before

yall ahd so many deaths

prior to that

[fossil cipher]

Ye was a Close one LUL

[lofty depot]

Oh yea, I still need myth tier 😦

Need to do some keys

[fossil cipher]

Im finally done with that since yesterday

Thanks again for analyzing. Will Report Back later 🫶

[lofty depot]

Yeee, should've kept up with it, but got lazy. Tragic really

[wet stump]

hey guys, is there a way to make it so I dont accidentally hit incarn twice? like a macro that wont let us cast it if the buff is already up?

[opal egret]

Hey guys, I ve been using default nameplates for a while but wanna change those to nameplates that change color when dotted moonfire. Any recommendations ?

[round field]

get a plater profile of your liking

and add a dot script to it from wago

[prime relic]

You can't check whether or not you have a specific buff, unfortunately; a /castsequence with CA/Incarn followed by an invalid spell seems to work for me as a workaround, e.g. /castsequence reset=5 Celestial Alignment, 1

[wet stump]

is that exactly what you have in the macro? sorry for a dumb question I just dont really write macros lol

[obsidian jetty]

I wouldn't use a cast sequence for you CDs, just get batter at pressing it once

[lucid olive]

idk how people even manage to double press it tbh

[vital hound]

panic that you didnt press it the first time

[lucid olive]

yeah but a macro won't help that

convinced that macro is just placebo

[vital hound]

yea

agreed

its an excuse not to learn

[pseudo merlin]

Wait

Are people pressing CA twice?

What the fuck am I coming back to

[lucid olive]

even when i try doing it on purpose there's a very noticeable delay between the uses

[lucid olive]

they have been since whirling stars got added

[fossil path]

if you're on high ms instance servers sometimes it'll double queue or act like u didnt press it and you can accidently double it when the client catches up, flaming over a fix for some ppl that harms nothing is wild lmao

[pseudo merlin]

that's fucking wild

I've never pressed a CD button twice in my life

[lucid olive]

i see the threshold of what is considered flaming is getting increasingly smaller

[pseudo merlin]

That being said I don't see a downside to using a 5 second reset castsequence for CA

this shouldn't negatively affect anything right?

[lucid olive]

nah it's fine

[pseudo merlin]

And it's probably stupid to argue people over how they should fix their bad habits when we're playing a game that just released the OBR

[vital hound]

if they're here

[lucid olive]

nah learn to play the game innit

[vital hound]

its implied they want to get better

OBR doesnt apply

[pseudo merlin]

Ya for sure

Being part of a class/spec discord makes you a very small slice of the pie chart

I think im gonne try OBR next raid

unless we have buyers

[round field]

Dont do it

[pseudo merlin]

nah I have to try it atleast once

Are any of you gaming on a 32:9 with PBP by any chance?

[round field]

I cant even afford that

[pseudo merlin]

Actually you can get some pretty solid options from Samsung and MSI for like 700-900 bucks

Which when the purpose is PBP is really just 350-450/monitor

[lucid olive]

why did they have to make the goblin event spawn where people farm darkfuse rep..

[round field]

Thats like

An entire average salary...

[pseudo merlin]

Yeah but these things were like 2k in the not so distant past right

So I would consider this very fairly priced for what you get

[teal minnow]

Because you don't want to lose or because you need to make up for them?

[pseudo merlin]

Cuz I'm afraid the OBR might perform better than I do

[jade flume]

Obr is a noober

[livid jay]

did they nerf the driad on ptr yet?

[maiden pasture]

In what country

[round field]

A lot of them

[lucid olive]

they fixed the bug where the dryad starsurge benefits from the 4pc buff yeah

but they forgot that the 4pc buffed starsurges was the only time the dryad did any damage

so now its just there

[jade flume]

98% of the world earns less than 1$ a month

[livid jay]

hahahaha

bro

[lucid olive]

probably doesnt matter a whole lot cause your 4pc can still do a ton of dam by itself

it will just means that your 2pc will be like a 0.2% gain from having no tier set and your 4pc will be like a 10% gain or something

lmao

cause the dryad presses starfall once which gives you 1 starlord stack and 1 harmony of the heavens stack

[twilit shard]

Anyone got any pointers for why my Starfall damage is so low? Or just general input on rotation / casts

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tgzcRBwXnfWkpYjJ

[teal minnow]

but youre that guy, youre that gamer

[lucid olive]

you are consistently doing this every time you use treants+ca

you should treants first and then wait for the GCD to almost end before pressing CA

not the other way around

[teal minnow]

educate me, why wait on the gcd?

[lucid olive]

because force of nature is on the GCD and CA isn't

and your treants don't do damage

not damage that is buffed by CA at least

[lucid olive]

there's also some big gaps in your uptime like here

I don't think it's specifically your Starfall damage being low, your Starfall damage is relatively the same as the other Moonkin in your raid, but his damage is better overall

this is by far the most egregious example

big gaps in your casts here too (wipe 19)

Plan better for movement. Be aware of what is going to happen in 15-20 seconds and prepare for how you're going to play the next couple sets of mechanics. Press your cooldowns in the right order.

Don't Sunfire inside your CDs

Sunfire before using your CDs if it's going to fall off during your CD window regardless of pandemic

Also can probably hold the 2nd Treants+CA+Convoke use for the 3rd adds

Which is what the other Moonkin is doing

He is also reacting better to mechanics and being more aware of what is going to happen and pressing his CDs correctly which is why there's a big gap between you

[wicked flax]

what should I spend my last 6 chips on? mythic jastors and best in slots?

[lucid olive]

what did u spend the first one on

[wicked flax]

think it was signet, didn't expect to be raiding but just kinda happened

[lucid olive]

sim it i guess

moxie jug is also a good shout

[vital hound]

kezan is good for next season

[pseudo merlin]

you think kezan is going to outlive S3 dungeon trinkets?

[lucid olive]

Probably not

You'll probably just swap that out with a hero track Soleah first week

[pseudo merlin]

yeah

[vital hound]

bold of you to assume

im getting given one

[lucid olive]

It's m+ trinket..

Tazavesh Streets

[vital hound]

took me a hot minute

to get priory trinket

[lucid olive]

Play more

Golf less

[vital hound]

[lucid olive]

[pseudo merlin]

'i mean

It's like a 1 in 57 drop

just do 57 dungeons

[vital hound]

god no

[pseudo merlin]

If you can't do that before raid, that's a you problem

[ancient adder]

1 in 57

Interesting

[pseudo merlin]

random number btw

i didnt actually calculate it

[ancient adder]

Just pretending

Interesting

[pseudo merlin]

yea

end of the day its 50 50 anyway isnt it

[lucid olive]

Damn right

[pseudo merlin]

whats the loot pool

[weary robin]

is there a world where we're casting regrowth every 30 seconds?

[pseudo merlin]

the world where that trinket is tuned well enough to make that worth it

[maiden pasture]

highly unlikely

unless you want to have some way of tracking your ally is on frames aswell as if its better than just a regular trinket xd

[molten token]

what's the talen build looking like for ptr with keeper of the grove? any links?

[pseudo merlin]

experiment

[molten token]

??? just ignoring questions are we okay cool

[pseudo merlin]

No that's the answer

There isn't really a build or link

It's ptr, 2 months to go, tuning and balancing is ongoing

[molten token]

then say 'idk' or just ignore me as u don't have the answer

[pseudo merlin]

experiment with different things

[molten token]

no

i will not experiment

[quiet drift]

[molten token]

i will not 'think critically'

i will play what is considered the best

[quiet drift]

Funny robot waiting room

[pseudo merlin]

you could try image searching #balance history

maybe someone linked something

[molten token]

🤡

[pseudo merlin]

God forbid you'd need to spend a few minutes finding your own answer in the absence of something "official" having been put out

[molten token]

Are you dumb? I was trying to find my own answer

that's why I asked, only for a mophead to tell me to vibe it

[pseudo merlin]

Insulting other people on the internet when they're not answering your question in the way you like, is not trying to find your own answer.

[molten token]

I can insult you and try to find my answer

[pseudo merlin]

Solid

[molten token]

Are you angry? try laying of the test-cyp

[quiet drift]

Community discords are the place to be

[pseudo merlin]

Why test-cyp

That's so specific

[glossy jungle]

[molten token]

anyone who isn't baldhead mcjuiceface have any idea what are the current talent builds they're running on ptr keys rn ?

[glossy jungle]

experiment

[molten token]

🤓

[quiet drift]

I run a different build every key

Cuz im experimenting since its ptr

[pseudo merlin]

Why don't we have latest PTR build fully optimised talent build sims

@lucid olive ????????????

[quiet drift]

+1

[pseudo merlin]

@dense steeple

[plucky valley]

Uhm

[dense steeple]

Burn

[dense steeple]

Yeah i run the same thing I do in live realms

[pseudo merlin]

My only regret is that dalaran and garrison don't actually work

[calm ibex]

How only 11k

[pseudo merlin]

it's rough out here

[calm ibex]

[dense steeple]

Hes on an alt don't let him farm pity

[pseudo merlin]

Now that OBR exists people arent buying boosts anymore

[calm ibex]

Ahhh

Nvm

Skill issue not having at least 1m on your alt

[hollow mist]

just stop being poor :)

just stop being depressed :)

[calm ibex]

True I agree can’t say that normally

But it’s ravec

[pseudo merlin]

I wish I could stop being depressed

[calm ibex]

Same honestly

[pseudo merlin]

I mean I could stop it instantly

But we are not allowed to talk about doing that on discord

[calm ibex]

LMAO

[pseudo merlin]

@dense steeple you got that vendor addon that auto sells all the gear below a certain predetermined item level?

its so freaking good

[opaque violet]

Guys I‘m new to Moonkin and I have a few questions regarding Starfall and dotting
Like on Gorechop - do I starfall and dot the adds? Just dot adds and keep surging boss? Or ignore adds and just go boss?
Or the Miniboss in Priory left side, how much do I dot the little ones?
So many examples where I‘m unsure on prio dmg or not 😐

[pseudo merlin]

dotting is based on duration things will live as well as whether or not that target actually needs to take damage

for gorechop this is entirely comp dependant

ditto for SS vs SF, comp dependant

[wicked flax]

starfall till adds are dead, starsurge boss, sunfire moonfire dots up

[pseudo merlin]

A rule of thumb you can use is to just play the fight single target unless you start seeing two sets of adds simultaneously in which case you start damaging adds

Unless youre like doing low keys and you only care about your damage number

In which case fuck it, go ham

[opaque violet]

Okay I guess that helps a bit, ty

Currently low ilvl (650) so just farming 12s anyway

[pseudo merlin]

I think until you get to like a very high key level, you can just play based on duration/target count

ignoring things like comp and prio dmg

In which case you can follow the DOT rules in the compendium

[jade flume]

Just go for max dam and starfall ong

[pseudo merlin]

So like off the top of my head

sunfire when targets live 5.5sec(-0.5/t)

and moonfire just 6s+

SF always when there's a second target+

[lucid olive]

Bro, that guy called you Baldhead McJuiceface

Get fucking owned

[pseudo merlin]

and mophead

what is it

baldhead or mophead

?????

[lucid olive]

Didn't catch him calling you Moorhead I stopped reading after the first one

[pseudo merlin]

[lucid olive]

Start with the Stix build and then remove some shit to get FoE and RM

Maybe take HOTW and use it before your cooldowns and then enter bear form as your Dryad is despawning

[opaque violet]

Oh wow I didn’t know about the compendium, that’s nice thanks!

[pseudo merlin]

It's the best source for all moonkin info

our bible

[molten token]

Every response that I've had here (that isn't Ravec) has been great thanks for the info everyone ❤️

[pseudo merlin]

When people act like toddlers after not getting an answer to a question that aligns with their headcanon is one of my favorite things

[verbal lintel]

so balance looking good into the new patch or time to reroll?`

[lucid olive]

Ask in 2 months

[digital berry]

No point in making decisions now as shit is gonna get nerfed / buffed / changed by the time s3 arrives

[digital berry]

Crazy tho how these dimwits are so smoothbrained that they have this extreme urge to do max dps and top charts in ptr as if it mattered

[pseudo merlin]

I get where you're coming from but also PTRs and Betas happen at points in the game where retail is "over" and no longer really fun, and doing some new stuff is fun

So like I wont say I don't get it

I'm always spamming keys on betas

or PTR if there's actual new content/gameplay

[lucid olive]

PTR keys are lit

You get the people who just leveled a character first 2 weeks of expansion and then check in to see how the new season is before they maybe bother playing it

And then the people from top 20 wr guilds or high IO that are actually testing shit

[pseudo merlin]

I try to atleast test some stuff and report things

But also I'm just trying to have a good time

[warm quail]

is it normal that haste sims as my worst stat?

I have only 14k

[dense steeple]

I dont. What is

[warm quail]

thought it would make sense to pump some in it

simmed myself and everything simmed better

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6gAt57hzcnzzkjJvPeXg8P

[pseudo merlin]

You set an item level threshhold for green blue and purple items and it auto sells anything below that when you open a vendor

and you can specify to exclude certain things etc

fairly customisable

so you run a whole raid and end up with full bags, everythings gone in a second

[shut trench]

is their a WA for ptr ?

[pseudo merlin]

Well this isn't a thing and is a problem with how you're interpreting results

[warm quail]

how else could I interpret it? 🙂

[pseudo merlin]

When a sim prefers X over Y item it's nothing more than with your current gear these stats give you more value than these other stats, those results don't carry over into another item

[warm quail]

exactly what I need

I'm crafting a neck

[pseudo merlin]

So basically this looks fine

[warm quail]

which one should I craft is the question

and it's crit mastery based on the sim

[pseudo merlin]

Just make sure you send a new sim for the next craft or droptimizer chase

[warm quail]

which is somewhat surprising for me

[pseudo merlin]

with the dps difference between the top two results being negligible I'd go with vers for the additional defensive value

[warm quail]

the fact that even crit verse sims better than anything with haste

[pseudo merlin]

alternatively you can try to run the same sim with upgraded gear

and maybe gem/enchant variables

[warm quail]

yeah, it'll be crit vers as I'm already decked with mastery

and it'll be better for resto offgear

[pseudo merlin]

also keep in mind that candle gets simmed as if you're optimising its gimmick

[warm quail]

as in sitting near the candle?

[pseudo merlin]

aye

so it might not be as good as it sims

[warm quail]

not sure if that would tip the scales too much

[pseudo merlin]

usually isnt

still not a bad trinket though

[warm quail]

I love it

[pseudo merlin]

youre missing 1 socket in your neck also and 2 sockets in ring

[warm quail]

especially on druid, I feel like versatility has a much better value

[pseudo merlin]

could add those and see if with more gem variables you would have different results

Make sure you force 4 colors if using a meta gem

[warm quail]

I always use movement speed meta 😄

can't stand wheelchair classes

[pseudo merlin]

Sure

That's still a meta gem you want to use 4 colors for

im also a movement player

underrated

[warm quail]

8% ms is huge imho, compared to that 0.6% crit effect or what

[pseudo merlin]

I agree

[warm quail]

could make the difference between standing in shit or not

[pseudo merlin]

But you're not using it at all at the moment

[warm quail]

*yet

[pseudo merlin]

Cuz your ring isnt socketed and you are using only 1 gem color

[warm quail]

exactly for the same reason as I don't have the crafted neck yet

had no idea what stat to look for

[pseudo merlin]

gotcha

anyway id go mastery/vers

[warm quail]

is there diminishing returns on mastery?

I feel like I'm already too high

(I play a lot of resto as well, so got to keep that in mind)

[pseudo merlin]

any and all caps, breakpoints and or drs are handled by the sims

unlike tanks/healers you really don't ever manually think about your gear/stats

actually healers are even simming nowadays too I think? I know nothing about healers

So in a hypothetical where you might have too much mastery, you'll just see that reflected in your sims

[maiden pasture]

there are DRs but none are worth thinking about cause u just follow what your sim tells you

[maiden pasture]

they do but they dont trust em as much as dps sims

[pseudo merlin]

its like a new thing for healers right

heard about it the other day

[fervent merlin]

Old but getting better recently I think

I remember hearing about it during SL but I think it was just buns

[pseudo merlin]

ah

[marsh ridge]

just hit 80 and trying to make sure I get the rotation right -- anyone know why wowhead and the balance druid compendium have different openers for elunes chosen? the compendium lists starfire as the 2nd ability and wowhead has it as like.. 7th

[pseudo merlin]

you're probably reading the wrong thing

[marsh ridge]

maybe the wowhead one is busted because clicking Elune's Chosen has it autoselect Convoke, which we don't seem to take for that build

[pseudo merlin]

But ignore wowhead, stick to compendium

[marsh ridge]

hmm ok, i am reading the opener section of both

[severe hollow]

dont think the are but the wowhead one just doesnt optimize the flight time of wrath as much

its honestly a not real difference

[pseudo merlin]

oh wow wowhead doesnt even list STF at all from what I'm seeing

the only valid reason for that is a conscious decision on the writers part to keep things simple(r)

but also if you're playing EC there is no opener

[severe hollow]

think they meant without STF

[pseudo merlin]

stf is starfire

[severe hollow]

the compendium just fits in (part of) a starfire cast after the 2 wrath precasts

wowhead doesnt

[pseudo merlin]

yeah

[severe hollow]

how the fuck is stf starfire and not stellar flare

[pseudo merlin]

get with the program

SF starfall
STF starfire
STFL stellar flare

SUF sunfure

[severe hollow]

SF has been starfire for 20 years

[pseudo merlin]

nah

I reject that notion

[pseudo merlin]

Yup it's not there. Idk. Only thing I can think of is that it doesn't really matter but allows things to be a bit simpler. You cast STF after double wrath in raid openers (there arent openers in m+ really) because you have time to do so without pulling boss while wrath is travelling

[severe hollow]

but yea wowhead also starts precasting at 2 while compendium is at 4 so just a bit simplifying

[pseudo merlin]

If you'd start dotting after doubel wrath you'd pull boss before the countdown ends

that's all

yeah 2s wrath wrath or 3-4s wrath wrath stf

[shut trench]

in ptr,when inside incarn are we wrathing primary target into surges? or its usual starfire into surges? m+ style

[lucid olive]

Read the EC tier set

[eager raft]

I thought we determined they’re all SF

[pseudo merlin]

Oh yeah that works too

[wicked flax]

does anyone know how the tier set works? I see boomkins starfalling in ST in videos and I'm not sure if I'm getting pranked

PTR obvs

[celest narwhal]

can u farm the raid rep? like do raid on multiple toons

[drifting nova]

no prank just bad

[wicked flax]

?? 142m crits is bad?

[pseudo merlin]

bad design yes

and bugged design

[pseudo merlin]

check pins

[lofty depot]

Well to some extent it's bugged and it works

[wicked flax]

I mean that's just a bug, nothing wrong with the tierset, easy fix

[lofty depot]

Starfalling is part of the tech to save the buff for your next ca

That's not what's bugged no

There's plenty wrong with the tier set

[wicked flax]

oooh you just have spam starfall till your next incarn?

[lucid olive]

Only reason to save the buff now is probably if you play 2 on use and holding for the 2nd trinket to come up

The dryad doesn't benefit from the 4pc buff anymore so idk if there's any point holding onto the buff that long

[wicked flax]

yeah I was thinking that.. .

[lofty depot]

If u have ca in 30 seconds

Blud thinks I'm not gonna crit for 145m

[wicked flax]

like on your second incarn charge on opener

with trees as well

[lofty depot]

Yes

Also, it's ca

[lucid olive]

I hit a fat 270m crit yesterday on dmg amp boss

Real G shit

[lofty depot]

Damage amp crits are weak sauce, do it on a dummy

[wicked flax]

so you just use starsurge to use the dryad right?

[crisp crater]

anyone got new tier set dryed weakauras?

[lofty depot]

Well in said context, u use surges in your next ca to get the next buff to be 9-12m but ur also doing other things

[lofty depot]

Just copy a weakaura and then change the spell id

1236556

Can copy this for the can copy this for the dryads favor buff

[pseudo merlin]

chill buddy

[lofty depot]

Naur

[drifting nova]

already got enough viruses ty

[pseudo merlin]

in your head

[crisp crater]

thanks

[shut trench]

not ec talkin bout kotg

[lucid olive]

Read compendium

[lofty depot]

Well it's still AOE prio list if ur in incarn and Starfire can hit multiple targets ur pressing starfire

Which right, read the compendium which has all the prios

[spring hill]

Hi i am new to balance. With elunes chosen, do you cast wrath inside incarn during st, or just always starfire and only wrath to get into eclipse?

[pseudo merlin]

only ever wrath to enter eclipse

make sure you read the compendium, it contains all the answers

[pseudo merlin]

the only exception is the last cast in eclipse. If you're in a situation where your starfire cast finishes outside of eclipse you would rather wrath once inside of eclipse and then wrath wrath to get back into eclipse than STF and then wrath twice outside of eclipse

[lofty depot]

No read lunar calling and the compendium

[pseudo merlin]

But that's like a super minor thing that also doesn't happen often

[cloud plover]

does the compendium have a guide on EC raid talents

[pseudo merlin]

don't raid as EC

we don't roleplay here

[cloud plover]

too bad i want to raid as EC cuz its more fun

[pseudo merlin]

youre not allowed to

[cloud plover]

compendium bad if it doesnt have this info

[cloud plover]

doing it as we speak

what now

[pseudo merlin]

I'll throw water on you

[lofty depot]

Opinion invalid

Wrong opinion

[drifting nova]

the only correct opinion

[cloud plover]

orange name speaking
volume 0

[drifting nova]

kotg is budget hunter

just reroll already

[pseudo merlin]

Things are always the exact opposite of whatever Kekkers says

[lofty depot]

1 blocked message

[pseudo merlin]

^

[digital berry]

As if the difference in gameplay between kotg and ec was actually meaningful

[drifting nova]

woah there are you saying hero talents dont offer meaningful differences?

ngl druid isnt even close to the worst offendor

[lofty depot]

Casting only Starfire is meaningful

[drifting nova]

warrior is..

[lofty depot]

Emnithy brain going in slow mo

[drifting nova]

lacking moreso

starfire is cool atleast

cooler with bigger numbers

wrath just hits like a wet noodle

[drifting nova]

is he 4m?

[pseudo merlin]

probably 4/8hc

[drifting nova]

oh the tolerate

oh no

[pseudo merlin]

this is a zero kekkers raid

[drifting nova]

I could resub right now

and get aotc in like a week

[pseudo merlin]

you're a mad man

[drifting nova]

for resubbing

yeah I know

[round field]

Paying for it doesnt count

[drifting nova]

I'd never lower myself to paying

[pseudo merlin]

you mean you can't afford it

[round field]

Dont think you can lower urself any further

[drifting nova]

I literally rail for banning services

(but then 100%% of the top 100 guilds would be gone)

[stone ledge]

Form a new hierarchy

Imagine if the rwf had rwl quality players for the entirety of the race

https://tenor.com/view/okarun-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-okarun-ken-takakura-gif-13879904916108947470

[pseudo merlin]

god I hate being alive without ccaffeine

[drifting nova]

suck it up

[pseudo merlin]

you people trink tea like 4x a day

youre the most caffeine addicted nation on the planet

[drifting nova]

even if tea has less than coffee

but sure

not had tea today actually

[pseudo merlin]

what does that matter

you know how much caffeine is in tea

it's a lot

you drink it like water

[drifting nova]

the average is like 3 a day

[pseudo merlin]

like water

[drifting nova]

in caffeine terms is like 1 coffee

[pseudo merlin]

that's still a lot

a cup a week is like the max for not getting tolerance and dependance

[drifting nova]

it's the taste not the drug smh

[pseudo merlin]

youre on 1 a day

you're tripping if you think that's true

[round field]

Wouldnt that just be regular rwl then

[pseudo merlin]

did you farm enough goblin shards yet

go sub

[drifting nova]

???

[drifting nova]

that the goat thing?

[pseudo merlin]

goblin portals > kill goblin > loot shard > buy T2

[drifting nova]

psst

..but t2 is farmable?

[pseudo merlin]

anniversary t2 recolor

[drifting nova]

yeah miss me with that

recolours are fake

[pseudo merlin]

never invite french to your key

theyre 680

im 660 hunter

[stone ledge]

It’s be a lot funnier seeing rls crash out on stream trying to down a boss that early

[round field]

Bro discovered water is wet

[drifting nova]

he could see you'd invite him no worries

[pseudo merlin]

idk why i keep giving these people a chance

they're literally 680 ilv

they did 15s

[drifting nova]

like bringing ninjastealer420 to a gdkp

[pseudo merlin]

They do half my dmg in a 12

[drifting nova]

something something gear inflation

vault guaranteed loot

[pseudo merlin]

but they did 15s

😩

[drifting nova]

..I can do 15s

[pseudo merlin]

surely you can do a 12

[drifting nova]

everyone can do 15s

if you buy it

15s arent hard

(probably)

[round field]

Nah

Its legit piss easy

Avg mpluser is legit subhuman

[drifting nova]

rio hasnt been a good judger of skill in a while

[round field]

Every mpluser in guild is like biggest pig in the universe

[pseudo merlin]

this boomie just ran an entire circle around 2nd boss in workshop

[drifting nova]

hell I've not truly liked m+ in like 3xpacs

only did it for loot

[pseudo merlin]

while the fire beams were already gone

not casting anything

[drifting nova]

god I cant wait for legion

for real m+

[pseudo merlin]

key failed

obviously

What's the point of OBR existing if people don't use it

[drifting nova]

is there an addon for it yet

like a marker

[pseudo merlin]

an addon for?

[drifting nova]

so I know who to decline

[pseudo merlin]

french people?

no

[drifting nova]

no, obr

[pseudo merlin]

wdym an addon

for people who have it on their bars?

[drifting nova]

like a big 😦 next to their name

yes

[pseudo merlin]

idk

I wish

[drifting nova]

so I can decline them

[pseudo merlin]

those are the people you WOULD invite

Not the ones you decline

are you stupid

[drifting nova]

wrong

and cringe

[pseudo merlin]

No

99% of the people in this game perform better with OBR

[drifting nova]

but it's the type of people thatd use it for damage

obr users arent getting into my m4

not on my watch

[crisp scaffold]

when of my wow friends also said dont invite french ,didnt believe till I invite a team of 4,never again

[pseudo merlin]

It's been 15 years since I started hating french people in games

My sample size is close to 5 digits

It's never been falsified

[crisp scaffold]

I just started..I only had russians (sorry ,but ..)

[noble heath]

do you guys have anything to track the dryad on PTR?

[lofty depot]

Up here

[noble heath]

ty

[marsh ridge]

Lycara's Meditation is listed as not taken in the overall tree in the compendium, but then the talent explanations area says it is mandatory -- anyone know if everyone should take this or not

[lofty depot]

U don't need to take it no

U can if ur gonna do the bear form opener but it's like 0.1% increase at best

[marsh ridge]

ty!

[lucid olive]

Gg they changed the talent between writing it and tier releasing

[lofty depot]

U take that talent in 11.2

But its not called mediation

[marsh ridge]

okay thanks, i am probably just taking a closer look at it than usual because i started playing boomy yesterday lol

[meager storm]

[dense gust]

why does my elunes chosen single button assistant do like 1.5m but keeper does 2m? is the algorithm for the rotation just busted?

[lofty depot]

@ ion and ask

[mighty mica]

@terse egret

[lofty depot]

Also ur asking why a spec is worse than another, and it's because it's worse without one button

Feral druid......

[wicked flax]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-gif-14950658

[celest narwhal]

Soooo...

How do u think they r gonna nerf us!

(fix tier set)

[lucid olive]

why should they

[lofty depot]

gonna cap the damage to 100m

or i guess 5m on the favor

[lucid olive]

that implies that they have any clue whats happening

[lofty depot]

they dont need to know whats happening

[celest narwhal]

I assumed they wouldnt let the dmg stack

cant make a mega buff like that

[meager storm]

bro they nerfed the dryad surges when the dryad wasnt doing any dmg, it was just the 4set bug thing

but they fixed the 4set and then nerfed the dryad for some reason

when we dont even know the dmg is actually does

omgBruh

[pseudo merlin]

Any EU leatherworkers

This is the first time I ever type "LFC" in /2 and not get 50 replies within the first 100 miliseconds

[delicate perch]

Nerf bamkin

[vital hound]

the fact that it wasn't in the notes leads me to believe it was by mistake

[tidal flicker]

wanna make sure i dont mythic raid and i wanna push 16+ on my boomy is it correct to go signet/candle myth instead of getting hoc/mugzee on hc ?

[lofty depot]

candle sure

h hoc can be better cuz it will better line up with things

[tidal flicker]

aight ye those 30seconds really matter was wondering why wowhead recommended it

sicne it still is more mastery on hc and 30sek less cd

[lofty depot]

can sim it

[lucid olive]

Like whirling being 100s recharge was a mistake and we've had that for almost two tiers

[lofty depot]

big mistake

[obsidian jetty]

it'll get nerfed. The sooner the better. Every second they waste is less time for them to buff us again after...

[meager storm]

whirling is a low budget pulsar

[pseudo merlin]

what makes you say that

[lofty depot]

its a low budget IFE

its not pulsar

[pseudo merlin]

I like it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lofty depot]

the change to whirling was not documented

it was randomly changed and never ackownledged

[lucid olive]

Just that it was 80s on PTR and they made it 100s without ever putting it in the notes

[pseudo merlin]

ohhh

[lucid olive]

Just a response to Sheep saying the tier set nerf was a mistake cause it wasn't in the notes

[pseudo merlin]

sure yeah

[lucid olive]

It was 80s or 75s I don't remember really

[pseudo merlin]

Cuz cd on a charge system I think fixes most issues that are generally there around cd based dmg profile classes

[lucid olive]

And then 8s duration

[pseudo merlin]

ic

[lucid olive]

Which was honestly kinda trash

But at least it kinda lined up with 1m Convoke and stuff which is just horrendous now

It's crazy that you have Control of the Dream and still manage to desync your CDs in different talents

[pseudo merlin]

thats true

[lofty depot]

its really cool how you can desync your cds in 5 really cool ways

[dense steeple]

"this buff is ruining the game, you should have to work hard(one shot the boss once per char per week) for your mounts"

[loud kettle]

yea sometimes they miss stuff in their patch notes

or sometimes its in the notes but never goes in game

[pastel frigate]

any1 got WA for ptr 4p?

[lofty depot]

up here

[wicked shuttle]

I think the no notes is the mistake

Not the change

[lofty depot]

clearly our dev likes making mistakes then

[nova ocean]

It's not a mistake to forget druids in patch notes that's just our class fantasy apparently

[spark anchor]

enh has no notes for one of their changes as well

🤷

[wicked shuttle]

yeah

[lofty depot]

who?

[spark anchor]

enhance

[lofty depot]

asked

[wicked shuttle]

is it the class dev who writes class change notes?

[spark anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-cat-explosion-gif-17905284344545073180

[wicked shuttle]

or is it a CM?

[lofty depot]

[spark anchor]

nice one buddy.

[lofty depot]

being a part countless shitter games that go thru alpha beta and perhaps die.. its quite often that the community manager wasnt informed of said changes

[wicked shuttle]

i was just saying that im not sure who's job it is

[lofty depot]

well small indie company vs random shitter company... but aa few times i was told they dont have to do community notes on the changes

but would think the devs doing said changes would have a list of what they did and give them to someone

but theres always undocumented changes so wcyd

[nova ocean]

I say we say its tettles job and just all blame him from now on

[dense steeple]

pretty sure weve been blaming tettles since SL

[fervent merlin]

I mean kyrian tho

[warm jungle]

just wondering, for those that have them, how are people using best-in-slots along with house of cards? I can't use them at the same time because theres a 20sec cooldown when using either one...

[surreal sluice]

tettles you're kinda cute but ngl i think feral suits you better

[grizzled shoal]

[lofty depot]

hoc first, both with cds

[warm jungle]

so hoc, wait 20sec, then use bis

[lofty depot]

if thats when u use ur next cd sure

[spark anchor]

for ele sham you just use it on stormkeeper/ele/a dre procc

or add spawns

you just use it

its free

[lofty depot]

thats not how or when u use it

"its free" is not a conidition to use hoc or bis

neither is "you just use it"

[drifting nova]

why cant chicken have a cool ability like stormkeeper

[lofty depot]

rather have cool ability like alter time

[drifting nova]

idk what that does so I'm going to disagree

[merry ibex]

Anyone who has done mythic One armed bandit mind dropping any useful tips or timings they learned doing that fight? I start it tomorrow

[lofty depot]

wild charge out when u get blue circle or fire tornados

u could set a timer for the big hit thing, but it goes off like every 20 seconds so can be annoying

dodge tornados or die

press renewal every once and a while for the heal absorb

think the worst is at like 3m so health pot or healthstone

dot the not melee add

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/raids/liberation_of_undermine?roles=Balance%2CDPS

can also read this

[tawdry plover]

someone please shit on me and tell me why im only pulling 900k single target. (new boomie, 650 ilvl, 4pc, 33%Haste, 16%Mast)

[lofty depot]

post a log and not a details meter

[merry ibex]

Many thanks

[lofty depot]

also stats dont matter but u do have low mastery so u probably have shit gear aswell as 650 ilvl

[fervent merlin]

Only 1 incarn is sus?

[lofty depot]

2m fight 1 incarn kinda depends

maybe should be 2

i love when frogs come in and then dont answer

its big pog

[tawdry plover]

just a dummy

[lofty depot]

u can log a dummy

[tawdry plover]

okay based ill get logs rolling

[spark anchor]

for ele it is

he asked that question originally in ele

and was just going around asking

thats why i said "for ele"

in my opener

[lofty depot]

im glad were in the ele discord

[spark anchor]

indubitably

im glad chickens can still read

[tawdry plover]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KaF7yxXzgQZ1MA8J @lofty depot

pls critique my ST dummy fight

[lofty depot]

1:21

[spark anchor]

you somehow managed to overcap ap in 1:21

dont do that

[lofty depot]

why r u doing a rotation with incarn at like 1m

[tawdry plover]

it came off cd