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oh ok, if im in the middle of doing aoe opener, when I have enough AP to starfall, do I want to use it mid opener? and pretty much just continue on from there
What is your aoe opener, just dotting the mobs?
Because i wouldnt starfall unless i was already fully capped on ap, and even then i wouldnt starfall if i had only like 2-3 more dot gcds tbh
huh
in a nutshell aoe is : dot everything, FoE, incarn, (send starfall from this point everytime you would overcap) spam starfire ggwp
what does this even mean
ty
?
Oi doesnt even know the aoe rotation gg
idk pop off king
Spread SF and MF, remember to spend your AP on SS on ST or SF on AoE, you FoE on CD or with CA and WoE with no NG, enter LE and use SF
Love abbreviations
SF can either be starfall or starfire
Sunfire
you will never change my mind
I came up with these abbreviations like 5 years ago
They're sticking
Starfoulah
nor would we want to meddle with it
STFL is stellar flare
that sentence is missing context to actually make sense
not starfoul'allah
wdym


its an aoe rotation, if im pressing CA next and im overcapping AP, there's nothing wrong with pressing starfall first
always got a smart ass answer
Link ur rio buddy
ok but argue gamz not me
🙌
No don't
He's the propaganda officer in chief
you are 1k5io hunter, pls refrain
How dare you speak back to a 3.3k rio main
we're moving up in the world
LMAO
Maybe you should try OBR, you might time some real keys kid
go delving
🫵
Where's your belt buddy
too soon to get the belt, right ?
that's his point
i love dsunes rio pages
he always gets asked to join a random push key
and then it ends up looking like this
priory hardcapped +10..
Maybe hes just goated in these 2 keys
Thats a cap for surviving priory as bamkin
tanksune?

Man im almost 3.4k raio 
insane
wait why is half your page 12s
Something there
Man we almost timed 18 top first try
Tankerman died and we wiped at 1%
But i just join my homies when im free and they need a deeps so i go from 10s to like 17s
I just want title
I want to get title on disc priest and bamkin if possible lol
I'm not falling for that guilt trip shit
Thats the plan at least
Sure buddy
it's like one (1) 12
9 out of 10 of the packages I order come with the box soaked in some disgusting overly perfumed soapy substance
that was me sorry

I’m just here hoping title doesn’t become 3.9k…
I pugged a couple 15s for 2 weeks and gave up
extrapolation gives 3857 by the end of july
yeah miss me with that
especially rn
idk I met some real suspicious people in 14s
Im season 3 pilled, waiting for poe2
maybe I got lucky
IMAGINE logging into M+
I'd like to push, but I don't have a team and pugging is dreadful
I ran all my 14s in a row without single fail other than brew
people cant do brew
I had like 14 everything and then 10 brew
but it's hard to find a team unless you push up the ladder
:kek
Yup
I tried this in like BFA and SL and then gave up
Was asked in season 1 by like 3 different teams but they wanted me to play aug
Finding a team that was actually competent was impossible, it felt like trying to join a HOF raiding guild with only ever having HC raid exp
They just do not want to give you a chance even in 1 key
And settling for people who do not match your skill level was the same as pugging
Yee, WoW is like a social ladder in that way
M+ is god tier content compared to poe...
take that back
objectively wrong
i am so glad i looked into balance discord cuz holy fuck this is so based
man who proc'd puppy
I've just been playing Minecraft and hit dummies on PTR for the past 2 weeks..
this day is already gone to shit
proc dn
Can't your guild slam some
they all either have full teams or aren't minigamers
^
you wanna be part of guilds M+ team you better have founded the guild or something lmao
best you can hope for is some early season farm keys when one person is taking a shower
@royal zenith how u doing today
sign up
It's terrible
@lucid olive wanna join my m+ push team
can't cool down is the issue
i'm on Minecraft buddy
Damn I can't compete with that
creeper behind you careful
so the theory is that it's not necessarily humidity
wanna come make a 260k SU steam engine with me?
but the fact we have so much pavement, houses build to hold heat, etc.

that's a fact
its 15 degrees and rain here
humidity makes sweating useless yes, so it's bad for our thermoregulation
Highest surge?
Thx bill Nye
160mil
dont mistake me for an american i beg u
that's not true
it's not the cold air factor
Massive
swet is used to cover your skin with water, then your excess heat can vaporise this water into gaz
cant vaporise if air already saturated with water
gg
after the 3rd edit of your msg right
air cant make skin go cold if air is wet
Bigg
I dont read french
it can
if 100% wet air is 10 degrees and your skin is 40 degrees, you lose heat through conduction
vaporising sweat is just a way to go faster and better
youre talking about cold air again
telling u regardless of humidity, air IF COLD can make you cooler
why do you keep talking about cold air
you guys find the dumbest shit to argue over
it's too hot in here
how is boomie looking on ptr ?
But if air is wet it cant be cold
Because it will turn into ice...
at 0 yes, but there is some margin between 0 degree air and "not cold" air
like 5 degrees
no clue, haven't logged into PTR
I should though
to even understand what the dryad looks like
can we transmog them??
4 legged bad bitch
We're a pet class
it would be funny if u have to spawn dryad in melee so her surges hit before she disappears
given that the surges contributes to the pool at some point
7/10 despite work and warmth? teach me ur happiness secret
gosh i thought i was the only one shocked here
ducks baseline 10/10 fellow
type shit
care less
but still care enough
Currently its just 2nd and 3rd CA, but assuming it gets fixed, everyone of ur CDs u would have to :/
Disgusting
Start at 30y triple wrath opener run in surely
if sending both CA back to back on pull, there is no way to carry the favor to the 3rd CA right ?
Nop
so just wait for both CA charges to be back and roll again like on pull ?
Ur asking robot questions
And w.e. the cook is now. It's gonna be changed
technically yes
based on feely* crafting
and absolutely nothing
Good enough for me
yes
you wouldnt have to
she has enough haste from you that her surges hit before she disappears
if she fades before the surge hits, the surge fades out of existence ?
do you truly 'cast' a surge though
She does
it would probably just hit
she does
I'd say it's conjuring..
witchcraft
is how u would play
why would you play double charge CA
Foe 2nd ca aswell?
Cuz otherwise the dryad does no dam
CA spawns the dryad
so more CA = more dryad
CA gives the dryad (should be treants it's a fuckin keeper set)
yeah I figured it's probably linked to popping CA
45sec trees huh
as they did practically the same with mushrooms
Why do we have a funny cat
so you use baby dryad to buff 2nd dryad with more multipliers in 2nd CA
no idea if it will play out as the best way. If they don't nerf the duration you will instead just CA every 30-45 seconds and starfall between CAs so you don't spend the buff...
is it good enough to sim 1t5min for M+? or do we 5t5min?
This is barely the degeneracy
so you do tend to overlap/pop it earlier to cause of differences in duration?
it's just venth ramp
its w/e ig
try to line everything with the 2 surges at end of 2nd CA and gg
already overcaping with voke tho
Can do 5t5m sim to see some interactions but it's generally useless. MDT sim is ok for seeing trinket usages but there's some stuff that doesn't flow properly. Apl is made for 1t5m so I generally use that
Conv
ke
you're mentioning 2 surges
is that cause it's capped at buffing 2 only?
the 4p yea
It only buffs 2
when dryad fades, you get dryad's favor buff, saying your next 2 (two) surges are buffed
you pool up dmg over 10sec during dryad, and 5% of that dmg is added to 2 surges
after the dryad dips
and the favor buff stacks?
you get 2 stacks, you cant stack it further
nah, but you can use the previous one, during dryad
so 5% of the previous is added to next
its just a feedback loop when using double CA
so the reason you want to pop both is alligning with pot/trinket/lust
all within that window
yea, just to stack CDs, the buff during rn is 45 seconds
check
I imagine that get's nerfed
pool A gets filled -> CA 2 is used -> pool B is filled with surges from pool A -> dryad disappears and you have 2x surges that are filled with damage from pool A buff and pool B
no, it's to fire the first 2 buffed surges into the 2nd dryad window
so this would be plan B
is stacking it closer
rather than stalling for tress to come back up at 30/45s
check
alright I understand the concept
ty
I don't need to login anymore
(until it gets nerfed and the order changes again)
at the end of it all its just about doing as much damage as possible while the dryad is up
yeh
the best way to do that is to use the increased damage from one dryad in the next dryad
any double on-use shit or too tight of a window
- having enough asp at the fade of dryad #2 to fire 2 buffed surges before the end of CA
there might be..
gg
prly will be fixed
this guy giving out the goods for free
but double on use would be good yes because this is a 24-26sec window of dmg
so you could use 20s int trinket at start, then mastery trinket at the end
People can't handle this anyway
to buff the 2 giga surges at the end

need a pool tracker..
if any WA
Jundies WA big pog
eh, you think every class isn't look at that trinket. That shit is fixed already on my screen
ppl see 44k int and it's instantly on their character
you mean tracking it as you build it ?
no one has ever said that
I know
you calling Recruitie's UI minimal?

I'm referring to something very specific
gotta keep track how low dmg u're doing
Gotta see the decimal of every single buff
or I just copy paste cotti's
man just rips buff trackers from other packs and dice rolls where he puts it on the screen
i mean i can already see it on my favor wa, tells me how bad i played the previous 10sec
okay that's it, I need to fix it myself
today I was looking at .1s windows. It do be useful
was seeing .1s dryad duration into bearform
stop..

decimals <2s?


what part you even talking about in my UI? dropping shit like ursols and such?
or boat and such
nah left of the char
oh
got some icons with buffs rolling
but Ill probably fix something myself so I can pick and choose
but I'm lzy
I find that stuff under my char/right of my char, I just straight ignore and never look at
prly just blind in right eye more
nah I have the same
so I just put everything on left instead 
have the timers there, but hardly ever look there anymore
cause don't need to call out anything

Hi, any Platerprofile you guys can recommend i often struggle with dotting everything when the Nameplates stack too much
what would blizz need to do to fix the degenerate stuff happening with tierset
Fix buff duration and or dont let Dryads favour be carried over to another Dryad
i imagine they do the easier to fix way and just shorten duration then
Well it still allows for shit like chaining CAs
Which I assume they dont want
Its the "Keeper of the grove" tier set
and we are ignoring Trees in favour of spamming CA
@quiet driftis boomie even strong without the current degen stuff
yaya
half are undertuned aswell
that's not how that works
You can't average out the tuning of every spec and then therefore determine that it will go live in a similarly balanced state
I'm leaning towards these shenanigans being fixed super late and spec being overnerfed because of it
And then being fixed 2 months into season

real
clueless thinking
but yeah they will just focus weird interactions first
+1
tuning last week or 2
Make Dryad Cast Again
The angle is just have fun while its just stupid, report everything you think is unintended
they are lucky to have PTR
ptr will be ptr
unfortunate for us players though
Blizz is too poor to afford an QA department
us like in them/us or US ?
cause US aactual beta testers of retail
even though the community will go full hate on bamkin
in 9.2
even more than usual

8 stack ramp
It's more fun when they implement something that has 100 bugs that like only 75% of them will be fixed
Zaaamn
you tell'em arctic
Then u go live with the shit thru rwf, then get gutted half way thru the tier
If they remove whirling and bring IFE, we wouldn't have this problem 🙂
found the pessimists
it was so fun when you had a macro to spam shift you in and out of forms for 8 stacks in 3 globals 
buff duration shorter, make it proc off treants and not CA, reduce the dmg it does, fix dryad not casting surges, change the way the cap on the dmg works.
also make dryad surges not get buffed by 4p as well
if we're lucky 2 of those things will happen
honestly
tune up the dmg pool from 5% to like 8% or 10%
and then make the dryad last 7 seconds instead
Just make her be the duration of CA/Incarn and cast the surges herself
make you able to ramp it up and spend it inside the 12 second CA window without having to stand in melee
Why would u stand in melee
Also weird the EC one is on starfires not fury
I guess for your spells it could matter
the 4pc damage is calculated on hit no
So if you'd want to spend it inside CA at the 2 seconds after the dryad disappears you should probably be in melee
Would have to increase the dam we do. Already can't cap the damage always
does the EC one work the same, technically?
@lucid olive if you mean the surges, surge is on cast. Buff is consumed on hit
just buffs starfires?
yeah alright
Lol
I've been standing in melee because I assume the pool gets added on hit. But I havn't tested if you cast a surge before dryad ends, and it hits after dryad ends, if it counts towards pool
I suspect not though
so I've just been in melee
is there a ptr tldr in the pins somewhere? 🙂
No

I wrote some short "this is how the tier set works" in Compendium
but nothing more than that
I saw that the tierset is getting nerfed 100%
it is way too early to write up a tldr for anything other than "please log in and test"
It's week 2 of ptr, shits gonna change 10 times, why tldr it
I guess just so u can follow the progress of updates in a relevant discord

U can follow the progress of ur class on wowhead or bluetracker
stick around here you'll see it discussed plenty as it gets changed
but with disclaimers obv
people also just like to follow what's happening with the spec
i could but i won't
U woke up on the wrong side of the bed today? 
I'm like this every day, this isn't a special circumstance
I'm halfway through a forum post though...
Copy's old post, Adds 5 more things they want but are never gonna get. Talks about new tier degeneracy, submits
"going hard"
type shit
Tells Gary to read to make sure a highly regarded individual can read it
no
oh
emphasize it
IT wouldn't be your opinion if it wasn't objectively correct
EVeryone else is objectively wrong
👉 🚪
🙅♂️
imagine thinking
can't imagine, imagining is thinking
hell no
honestly you probably wouldnt have made the cut anyway
almost always miss yeah
There is funnel potential in kotg tierset tho, you agree ?
you were right
if that's what funnel is
any prio damage these days gets classified as funnel
You can use star fall to fill your pool
And then have a big surge
That’s funnel right
Doing more dmg to main target when there are other targets around
That’s funnel isn’t it ?
No
No prio is doing more dmg to 1 target in a pack
you are by definition wrong
That's literally what u said
ok add "than when there is only this target"
to be more clear
it's about increasing your dps to that single target because of the mobs surrounding it
Yes
like main target is alone, i do 1m dps to it
main target + 5targets around, i can do 1.3 dps tto main target, that's funnel
main target + 5 targets around, i do 500k dps on each target but 900k on main target, that's prio
no talking about the splash
cause splash is w/e
but filling the pool of the dryad
is a funnelable mechanic

Is ashi talking shit out of his ass again...
crazy understanding of wow
Type shit
Every day i come hes hes yapping misinfo...
its funnel
the issue is you didnt log on ptr to check the set bonus ig
you're funneling damage into the pool that is then concentrated on a single target
thx
the issue is that you wanted to start a discussion about it
Funnel is druid tier
What if i want to funnel all targets
without giving all the details 
the issue is you whining ppl gonna call funnel funnel
is it funnel if it also splashes aoe tho...
Prio would be frost dk reapers mark
yea..
you only specified the specific scenario after stating random shit
that's one way to 'win' a discussion
yeah yeah, just said tierset gave us funnel, not my fault if you cant see whole pic

Anyone pushing some 20s today and need a bamkin prodigy(trust)
no insult here
Yea, gonna invite dwilkz tho
wanting to, read the words
does it funnel
Gg...
I funnel all mobs so my homies can funnel boss
technically starfire funnels more resources that can be used on surge on prio target
prio funnel..
was more focused on defining terms to get how you didnt classify this mechanic as funnel
you literally just said "use starfall to fill your pool"
it is ok to admit when you get something wrong deux yk
could've also just said starsurge and the comment would not have changed
or outcome
but starfall benefits from multiple targets being there, unlike sruge
Well that part is the funnel part
that's the key "funnel" part
you literally did not mention anything about "multiple targets"
The statement after about doing damage, more damage to 1 target in a pack of 5 is prio
only after
this bad faith is out of this world
must come from karesh

quite clear right ?
What a truly fantastic convo
I told you you were right
average boomkin convo
Ur wrong...
keep going
could've been there...
I think the vibe in here is more important
then some random wanting to be right
no offense
than*

get that reference ?
That could be a timeline
Not wrong
kinda meta in this convo
He likes the vibe, then some random came in and ruined it

:3
Needs a comma tho
That's alright, we don't use those on the internet
2200 in week 400
Deux good story teller
🫵 😂
are you not entertained
I am currently entertained
huh
rip gilly miss that guy
This is my second day playing hunter since Vanilla buddy, I'm coming for you
Respectable never serious, unless he's getting bodied by 2 under geared druid. Then he's super serious
hmu for coaching
what are you going to coach
press arcane shot
now press aimed shot
now press arcane shot
Press the ravage button or w.e.
I can't believe I got gaslit into believing ret was the easiest spec in the game
or bm
it has to be MM surely
Is BM, and it's not even close
Nah
BM has cd reduction and some rng on barbed and that pet skill
so you need to like react
MM is legit super predictable and braindead
Press barbed on CD, big react
you have moments with like constantly barbed and kill command coming back
Yea
yes
Press the button
so its harder than mm
which doesnt have that
theyre both easy as fuck, only one has an element of rng
would you say aimed shot is funnel damage ravec?
its like butter is harder than cheese
U could put you finger in-between 1/2 and do completely fine damage
unless youre french
youre arguing whether or not its hard
that's not the conversation I'm having buddy
Hard = not easy
also epic name
lame

Ravec more like little bitch
huh
like ret is easy because even if you're a complete idiot you can do decent
It's not like it's objectively easier than X or Y
It's just that when you do everything wrong, you still do numebrs
what is ret decending into?
He has constant bad takes lol probably has no first hand experience with either spec
But perfecting ret still requires some actual gameplay
The king of contrarian
:)
Only the difference between 50th percentile and 99th percentile is like
He just spouts off whatever goes into his head
5% more brainmatter
I mean Ravec just yaps
don't take it TOO serious
it's also way different on text versus voice
out of personal experience can confirm
U can 80% tile with 1 button without 5% more brainmatter
that's a good one arctic
Type shit
iirc OBR is kinda shit for ret
probably because it has a lot of moments of gcd locked
Idk I was talking about hunter
ah
Who the fuck plays ret
yeah probably
Oh shit obr means one batton rotation
what did you think it meant
I thought u were misspelling obs all this time
LMAO
It made no sense but it was ravec so i didnt see a problem with it
I mean who has who blocked seemed like he took it serious lmao
Starting new guild <OBR gaming>
welcome to the now looq!!!
or an org even
Blocks whoever he can't bully into submission with his garbage takes
I still havent used the obr thing yet
well you do seem a tad too invested
But i wont since it just seems pointless
I did for like 7 seconds to see if it would sit there casting convoke outside of CA
Then I immediately stopped
This is a CHOICE
Idk i just enjoy playing the game
Why would i want a button to do it for me
Might aswell just watch krona stream or sth
Apparently there are genuinely people who like it
Idk
The combat rotation is the majority of the fun of the game for me
Those same people play cookie clicker so
I thought I'd use it on new toons, but then I leveled a new toon the other day and just said "fuck it i'll just learn instead"
Or idlemmo
I play cookie clicker...
legit this
"Ill use it on my new char so I dont int keys"
I cannot relate to the OBR gamers idk
Then I go in a key and everyone is inting, I have no idea what I'm doing, and I'm still winning
It's funny u thought u would use that
OBR is very much just a moment in time
It legit takes very little effort to learn a new spec on a basic level tbh
Dsune is a huge OBR enjoyer
Recruitie ain't built for obr
at least some people get to make videos because of it
Almost all dps specs are very simple
(tettles OBR hater)
I actually just watched that video lol
idk, I always log on my random alt to hit WB or level in timewalking and figured it woudl be easier than reading the talents
but at that point it doesn't feel like I'm even playing the game
would rather just play another game
In the time it takes to level a toon from 70 to 80 in timewalking dungeons you've learned the spec
Wht's the point of the OBR
Tbh i wouldnt play an alt if my intention wasnt gearing it and actually playing it with a goal in mind
Either m+ or raid
Goal for my last alt was more enchanting gold 🙂
I like to keep my alts close incase a spec rework looks fun
And for either of these wouldnt make sense to just stay mediocre
Would rather learn it and be good
But i also dont play a lot of alts atm
Like 2-3 chars
It’s good for memes right now but the novelty will wear off
more curious in actualy data, what the % of players will be that actually uses it
I am too
so I can laugh at those that were scared of The Button...
Gonna make people failing mechanics use it, until they stop failing mechanics
you should test it
Run LFR 50 times and log each time
Check logs for delays in casts
Record results and get back to us
speaking of lfr
can't wait for some guild to force OBR and they get top 100 world would be sick tbh
time to run it on all my chars to ninja transmog loot from noobs
I will not login
I feel like this would totally be doable
Understandable
If I look at the amount of world ranks we lost on mugzee and sprocket
Due to nothing but mechanical trolling
OBR would've shaved off 100 ranks atleast
Top 100 seems ambitious but maybe like hall of fame
maybe 200
How many extra deaths would u have from people falling asleep at the wheel tho
Something to take into consideration
Fall asleep on the bench
Vacation during prog?
just need ahk
OBR spamming is fucking painful
Unless you go out of your way to bind it to every key
and then play the piano
can make a mouse macro to just spam a keystroke as well
TOS 👀
is it?
not ToS if you're pressing the button
You mean the same way you play ARPGs right
Scripting 👀
Scroll wheel movement is goated
Scroll wheel jump >
excuse me?
Hi
That's a bit right
no
Tragic
If u knew how to bunny hop, sure
i dont remember
Clearly u didn't 🙂
probably not what
That looks like a ban frfr
probably not arctic
EXACTLY
It's on like 3 days a year
Was gonna say, uk weather based
Can stay home and bingchill
based meeres
hello everyone. I got Unreliable fight style when i sim. Which fight style should i choose if i wanna compare gears doing m+?
1t5m patchwerk or mdt
"I don't see MDT, where is it"
Same
mastery>haste>crit>vers?
I only stack mastery and haste
0 crit and 0 vers or my char is literally useless
Sims are a dumbass
I just do what the sim tells me to do
sez u
haste > crit > mastery > vers

speaking of, bring back hit
I mean, doesn't your stat prio change depending on your gear
so why does the sim have me go for vers now
idk, sim bad

That's why you shouldnt sim
sims were the downfall of wow

cant believe reforging got canned
I think I finally narrowed down the problem with the new moonkin form
and we entered into the hellscape that world of simcraft
Its legs move too fast
new?
OG moonkin form legs move way slower while crossing the same distance
When they move so fast you look like a guy in a suit
they need to slow down the legs
taurens always look like they're underwater
take bigger steps
movement is sus
how is kekkers not banned yet
^

Should I cancel my convoke to cast SS to avoid overcapping ASP/not wasting cosmos stacks? @drifting nova
fuck if I know I just taunted the boss entering bear form
@royal zenith holy he's even doing LFR now
and I dont take convoke on principle at this point
wouldnt catch me playing kotg
HELL NA
budget arse hunter pathing
is this 2005
god I cant wait for hero talents to not be expanded upon
Im a dumbass so i know
cause it's smarter than u or anyone here
guess i got some learning to do
it will also natty convoke without trees
really lma
I only used it on LFR rik for shits and giggles
I think it used trees, did SL and then voke

I have yet to pug that far into heroic
4/8 is super easily puggable
That's the funny bit
Man wants blasters but is stuck on a progression level below what non pro pugs have succesfully been doing for weeks
early mythic bosses should be harder
atleast it'd make looking for a guild slightly easier
instead of everyone having the puggable level

idk man stix was significantly difficult until they started giving us 2x as much power as initially during the season
10 more item levels and a belt
Stix also copped about 12 nerfs since patch day
It's almost a completely different boss at this point
Yup





can we turn the sun off
