no reason to MF all 3 then treant, and then surge on 4 targets
#balance
obsidian jetty
vagrant cove
I was under the impression you put moonfire on anything that will live 6+ seconds
Or was that only M+
obsidian jetty
treants apply moonfire
vagrant cove
Oh
obsidian jetty
their single cast can apply up to 6 targets with twinmoons and 3 without
oab is fucky since they are spread out, but you can target the 3rd add you will kill when you cast treants, they will run at that one
and if you're lucky it will dot the middle one+3rd one
vagrant cove
Okay well i was more focused on boss damage anyways so im not too stressed about that particular mess up, thats also why I was starsurging instead of starfalling too. But thankyou for that info thats really helpful to know
obsidian jetty
1st one that dies generally dies fast enough that you can ignore moonfiring it
vagrant cove
Ill keep that in mind cheers mate
obsidian jetty
well, if you're focused on boss damage, spamming dots will lower that
vagrant cove
yeah very true
when i pug i more often than not focus the boss because every other bloke and their dog pops cds for aoe damage so i feel like i just give more value to the raid if I let their cds kill what theyre trying to kill and I just solely focus the boss
unless im playing something that excels in aoe, like when I was fury warrior last season
Kinda like how arcane is taken to high keys for their prio damage, instead of taking another dps for more aoe. Altho my prio's not that great since im shithouse
obsidian jetty
sure, but that screenshot does not fit that narrative. So I was going off the narrative I saw
if you wana slam boss, then don't dot, if you wana slam adds, don't do 3x moonfire (right before casting treants,) and press starfall
vagrant cove
sure, but that screenshot does not fit that narrative. So I was going off the na...
The screenshot wasnt for that, it was to show that I fat fingers double incarn
The narrative you shouldve saw was me mocking myself for fat fingering a button I didnt mean to, but you instead saw I was dotting stuff when I shouldnt of been and tried to explain it to me. All well and good but just clarifying that it wasnt my fault haha
And its good info so i do appreciate it
broken quail
good morning everyone, coming back to balance after a while, quick question: When should I go in solar vs lunar? Is it 2+ targets lunar and 1 target solar=
jolly delta
yes
cloud plover
I know not what this solar is, for I am the chosen of Elune
broken quail
I know not what this solar is, for I am the chosen of Elune
lol
round field
I know not what this solar is, for I am the chosen of Elune
Too cringe so early in the morning
Go back to bed
cloud plover
Too cringe so early in the morning
gn iggy
jolly delta
Starfire
broken quail
ty
broken quail
whats AK again
jolly delta
Aethereal Kindling
broken quail
oh yes I do
so basically 2+ targets with ak it's the aoe rotation
spending on starfall
livid jay
yes
twin lotus
any PTR cooking?
loving the touch of dryad, feels incredible.
maybe we could have a thread to gather PTR comments and stuff?
spice roost
maybe we could have a thread to gather PTR comments and stuff?
they wont do that
gray plank
Is elune looking to be the play in s3 aswell in Keys?
scenic mist
Is elune looking to be the play in s3 aswell in Keys?
no
but it's way too soon to think about it
royal zenith
plenty of PTR cooking, just talk about it in here?
twin lotus
The KotG felt better to play on the dungeon on PTR, but I think playing CoE like current season is not the correct way to play PTR. Maybe now we have to charge the damage amp with SS into FoE starfall
spice roost
coe?
twin lotus
Chosen of Elune
spice roost
oh elunes chosen ok
twin lotus
For the raid i had prepared both hero builds but dint get the chance to try
For st, i was going to try new moon, stellar flare (instead of mushroom) and convoke chosen of elune build.
I dont remember, but did we play mushrooms on AoE s1?
royal zenith
balance druid
spice roost
oh
lucid olive
CoE 😷
spice roost
ya i didnt recognize what he was saying when he said that either
lucid olive
Seen people use it for incarn as well
spice roost
lol
pulsar kite
for just mythic +, I've got my 3 dinars to spend on either hero HoC or myth Wax. I wont be mythic raiding to the myth versions of mugs or HoC or BiS. Should I just trust in the sim?
jade flume
If its this close id just take hoc
On use trinkets are more valuable in general, when u do a big pull and pop hoc on ur cds u will get a lot of value, and a lot of the times u dont want a hard pull to last too long
Which hoc will help with more
pulsar kite
thats the suspicion I had, cheers
bronze oxide
What disc should we be using as chosen of elune for mythic+
delicate perch
the best one
chrome sandal
What disc should we be using as chosen of elune for mythic+
spark burst it's seems
jade flume
I just play mastery but i got high haste tbh
royal zenith
Ill send you an affiliate link, one second
pseudo merlin
ah thanks!
chrome sandal
I mean i think on the belt you want to play either haste or versa but never masteries
chrome sandal
I mean i wanna but dunno where it is on raidbot
pseudo merlin
top gear
pseudo merlin
Anyway I just came from the dentist and he butchered my jaw (implants) any ideas on food to eat that isn't acidic or spicy or has spices and also is liquid but isnt hot or soup
chrome sandal
I dont see any good reason to not play mastery tbh
we already pass a cap so other stat might be more value
pseudo merlin
we pas a cap?
The only cap is that line you just made up
How on earth did you reach that conclusion
jade flume
Yeah other stats can be better, i just simmed patchwerk and master was same as crit and versa
So i just kept mastery
And haste was a lot lower
In the end differences between these 3 are pretty marginal so it dont matter too much
pseudo merlin
vers for surivability, haste for vibes and mastery for chads
royal zenith
think people still have a wrong understanding of what a cap means
it just means there's DR on the stat
jade flume
it just means there's DR on the stat
Thats cap
royal zenith
it doesn't mean you stop wanting that stat cause you're at 21k or w.e.
chrome sandal
it's not what i meant
pseudo merlin
What did you mean
chrome sandal
yeah it's can still be good but the more you go in the DR the more you lost value
pseudo merlin
What
That's like a bunch of meaningless bologny
Idk why people assume that sims don't account for <random thing I thought of and got hung up on>
Sims do
lucid olive
you put caps on your head
caps are for remembering when you spell the mans name
pseudo merlin
like you dont ever need to think about that
pseudo merlin
caps are for remembering when you spell the mans name
true and real
jade flume
I mean he isnt wrong
royal zenith
Well he kinda is
jade flume
DR reduces the amount of stats you get
royal zenith
the amount yes, but not the value
jade flume
Yeah, but your responses make it seem as if hes saying some crazy shit
pseudo merlin
🧢
delicate perch
I simmed it and got my answer
whats the answer
pseudo merlin
Deux you're not a real number
royal zenith
whats the answer
I don't remember...
lucid olive
your pfp was prettier when it was black and white
pseudo merlin
so true..
delicate perch
I don't remember...
tell me right NOW
royal zenith
I think my guy wanted vers
but checking logs, I mightve not even swapped it
I did upgrade it's ilvl..
pseudo merlin
yesterday i ran the longest delve in the world (of warcraft) for the quest
then I realise it wasnt overcharged
lucid olive
are you not just doing t1s
vital hound
amen
royal zenith
which one is fungal folly?
pseudo merlin
IM PLAYING CLASSIC I DONT HAVE TIME FOR THIS
royal zenith
jade flume
please drop the a
Mn i hvent even unlocked the versa belt yet
pseudo merlin
Mn i hvent even unlocked the versa belt yet
what about the masteries one?
jade flume
I got all the stat ones besides versa lmao
pseudo merlin
change vers into multistrike change my mind
scenic mist
change vers into multistrike change my mind
bring back hit and expertise ratings change my mind
pseudo merlin
That take is so french it smells like brie
scenic mist
tbf i could rephrase as "nerf melee"
severe hollow
reforge without hit and/or expertise is dumb
scenic mist
reforge without hit and/or expertise is dumb
would lower the gap between "bis" items and not bis
you'd be less disapointed looting a vers/crit boots
severe hollow
think thats really debateable and already true
but think the downside of that existing isnt worth the reward if you dont have fixed stats you need/want to have
if that exists I think reforge is fine
scenic mist
but casters needed a lot more hit
yeah but the feelings of seeing your mate's chaos bolt flying right next to the boss's head
scenic mist
ik
severe hollow
scenic mist
but we only get that if hit rating is back
severe hollow
(tbh fully optimized sometimes went below hit cap but I never did that)
scenic mist
🦹♂️
severe hollow
I actually like hit/expertise existing
assuming the not vanilla version
so you can actually hitcap spells and you can reasonably hit hit cap
scenic mist
assuming the not vanilla version
i think MoP state was good
just take away multishot
pseudo merlin
multistrike wwas in mop
severe hollow
multistrike wwas in mop
have and proof?
pseudo merlin
I remember stacking the fuck out of it on shaman
severe hollow
I checked wiki and it disagrees with you
severe hollow
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1467247-Multistrike-Stat same thing here
from 2014 talks about it starting to exist
vagrant cove
Hey gang, so im currently 679 and I timed a +16 many ilvls ago. Im contemplating actually trying to push a bit with pugs and see how high I can climb, and was wondering if its worth trading off Cyrce's for a crafted 681 ring? I did some math and it looks like a 434 secondary stats trade off for 5874 stamina, the stamina sounds like it would help but I also assume that unless you're doing 21s or 22s that you should be able to live without that stamina or you're playing it wrong? (thats just a guess lol) Whats your thoughts
scenic mist
was not in mop
yeah i might get confused with prepatch week
pseudo merlin
🧐
severe hollow
so considering the ppl during mop times talk about it soon to exist im willing to bet you are wrong
pseudo merlin
maybe it was prepatch then
I definitely played multistrike in SoO idk
Or wait
hang on
vagrant cove
I imagine im probably going to hard peak at +18s because I can't do mythic raid for mythic gear and im simply just not getting far with pugs and im also not exactly the worlds best boomy either, but still curious yknow
pseudo merlin
Was shaman mastery multistrike in SoO
delicate perch
so considering the ppl during mop times talk about it soon to exist im willing t...
ravec = wrong is a safe bet
pseudo merlin
That would explain it
royal zenith
Hey gang, so im currently 679 and I timed a +16 many ilvls ago. Im contemplating...
Grab this tool: https://not-even-close.com/ see what you can live with the stamina you have with cyrce on
if you can live, you keep
severe hollow
Was shaman mastery multistrike in SoO
royal zenith
shrimple
severe hollow
no
pseudo merlin
https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic/spell=77226/mastery-deep-healing
wrong spec
vagrant cove
Grab this tool: https://not-even-close.com/ see what you can live with the stami...
Oh wow thats actually such a cool tool, thankyou ill give it a try
severe hollow
oh not resto?
delicate perch
Hey gang, so im currently 679 and I timed a +16 many ilvls ago. Im contemplating...
have you simmed not using it (if you have M jastors)
pseudo merlin
yes but it didnt scale
it was just talent
like it didnt scale with stats like mastery
severe hollow
but yes ele had elemental overload in mop and think cata too
pseudo merlin
ye
im confusing it with ele mastery
my bad
anyway that was fucking pog
basically multistrike
vagrant cove
have you simmed not using it (if you have M jastors)
ah nah i dont have any jastors let alone mythic haha
unfortunately i dont have a mythic raiding guild so i cant get much mythic raid done
I could probably pug the first handful at best in premade lol
delicate perch
pseudo merlin
just get a mythic raiding guild?
pseudo merlin
you'´re welcome
delicate perch
with a simpe swipe of a credit card and some auctioning of wow tokens, you too could have mythic jastors!
vagrant cove
Honestly next season I reckon im just paying for a full mythic clear after its on sale ngl
royal zenith
not worth it anyway
vagrant cove
Maybe even a few
royal zenith
only 20k upgrade
piss numbers
easily compensated by a swift and good route in m+....
delicate perch
only 20k upgrade
wrong, I depleted +3 because of ilvl
pseudo merlin
Honestly next season I reckon im just paying for a full mythic clear after its o...
you should do it now
ill give you a good deal
you need jastor for the new season
delicate perch
pretty cruel
prettty funny*
polar frost
Is there some sort of glitch with Force of Nature? Cooldown says 45 sec but after the first time I cast it the cooldown is only 30 seconds, then it is 45 seconds after the next cast
vagrant cove
Clearly im ready for that 43 priory now
royal zenith
does make it easier for the healer
if you have more hp
but no idea how much the stamina actually is in HP numbers
if it's like 100k extra hp
who cares
vagrant cove
Lol i think it actually is 110k or something
royal zenith
pseudo merlin
id rather not
royal zenith
vagrant cove
Im basically looking for an excuse to wear something 681 instead of 658 because my ego doesnt like seeing myself with a lower item level
vagrant cove
Like "guys please tell me stamina is good"
delicate perch
sim whatever rings you have in mdt
royal zenith
it will probably be slightly better in mdt sims
vagrant cove
Yeah I mean I think realistically, if im in a key where the extra stamina isnt necessary to let me live, then im probably in a key where the extra 400 secondary stats isnt necessary for me to do enough damage to time it either
So i probably should just wear what I want and be a happy man
pseudo merlin
id take it
pseudo merlin
im dying to random shit in low keys
and it cant be skill issue because I'm an insane gamer
still relic
Sounds like a healer issue
severe hollow
but 🦆 says skill issue
skill issue
still relic
For the healer
still relic
Ask him if he bound his heals
pseudo merlin
only thing he bound was hands behind his back
jade flume
I never die in keys on my bamkin(lie)
pseudo merlin
I ran back to back breweries, in the first I died to every brew DOT on 1st boss that I didn't have barkskin and renewal/FR for and same on every add phase group AoE on ipa
On the second I never dropped below 80% hp on either
final squid game season dropped
jade flume
Is that a wildlife documentary or sth
vagrant cove
Since treants cast moonfire, does that mean I dont actually want to manually push moonfire on boss pull like I have been?
Ive been doing double wrath pre-pull, moonfire, sunfire, treants, incarn, starsurge til sub 40AP and then convoke
But if treants cast moonfire then maybe its a waste pushing it two globals before treants?
frigid rover
it is still wise to moonfire yourself on pull, sometimes trees are a wittle late moonfiring before you're pumping out starsurges
vagrant cove
ah okay thankyou
My sim made me realise it didnt do it, but I assume the sim is like "a perfect world" scenario which would explain why it didnt honestly, in the scenario i imagine treants did it straight away lol
It does specifically say "its not a guide" so I thought id ask first, appreciate it
hollow bobcat
is it more optimal to refresh dots at the start of pandemic or let them fall off for less than a global before recasting
royal zenith
Pandemic is pandemic
you're better off worrying about using that global for movement
lofty depot
It does specifically say "its not a guide" so I thought id ask first, appreciate...
In the compendium there's an opener tab
hollow bobcat
Pandemic is pandemic
not sure what this is supposed to mean
we dont get anything for refreshing in pandemic
lucid olive
is it more optimal to refresh dots at the start of pandemic or let them fall off...
Refresh in pandemic and don't let your dots fall off
when in pandemic just depends on your situation
"can I use this instant cast to move? is my Eclipse ending so I don't have to re-dot during BOAT window? is Starlord about to end so I don't have to re-dot while stacking Starlord again?"
only time you reapply outside of pandemic is if you're using cooldowns right after
like "i am about to use treants + ca, if my Sunfire will fall off during the duration of my CA i should reapply before using my cooldowns"
pseudo merlin
Is that a wildlife documentary or sth
Yes it's about squid
lucid olive
from the games?
pseudo merlin
we dont get anything for refreshing in pandemic
To elaborate. The value gain from refreshing in pandemic isn't that you get anything, it's that you lose nothing
Above pandemic you waste duration, below pandemic you waste duration
in pandemic you waste nothing
It exists solely to avoid degenerate gameplay loops like refreshing dots a microsecond after they fall off (like BM used to play around barbed shot back in BFA)
pseudo merlin
only time you reapply outside of pandemic is if you're using cooldowns right aft...
movement if all else fails
pseudo merlin
from the games?
yes
teal coral
(raid) hi guys I don't understand why in my opener some pulls my wraths are fast casts and other pulls its normal speed i think this has to do with lycara's meditation do I want the fast casts or the slow ones?
quiet drift
Dreamstate
Doesnt matter which ones you have aslong as you get 2 wraths and a Starfire out without prepulling
teal coral
oh alright I wasn't sure if i was doing something wrong or not
lucid olive
(raid) hi guys I don't understand why in my opener some pulls my wraths are fast...
If you want it to be consistent you can use ```
#showtooltip
/cancelaura [nocombat] Dreamstate
/cast Wrath
And just replace your regular Wrath bind with that
teal coral
alright thanks alot does this affect my dps?
lucid olive
No
It'll just make you cancel the Dreamstate buff before your Wrath starts casting so you never have the sudden faster casts of Wrath in your opener
It will never cancel once you're already in combat
teal coral
alright I see thanks a bunch
lucid olive
You also regain the buff once combat starts so it doesn't affect your damage at all
But at that point you've already casted 2 Wraths and a Starfire
teal coral
yeah sometimes I can't get 2 off b4 its pulled because the cast is too slow
i start casting at 4
lofty depot
That's cuz people are then pulling at 1
U can get 2wrath 1 Starfire off. If ur having trouble can do 3 wrath
And or just 2
lucid olive
It also doesn't really matter that much
teal coral
alright cool
lofty depot
It matters
teal coral
i want to min max so I think it matters
lucid olive
There's no big reason for the 3 precasts other than just like 50k free damage
lofty depot
That's big dam
teal coral
There's no big reason for the 3 precasts other than just like 50k free damage
50k is 50k
lucid olive
If you want to min max your damage you regain that difference elsewhere
lofty depot
Also if u do the wrong opener I'll flame u
lofty depot
If you want to min max your damage you regain that difference elsewhere
Yea but 50k - the total damage possible
lucid olive
Mage player
teal coral
wrath x2 starfire sunfire moonfire starsure till im empty varies from 3-5 depending on idk what tbh
lofty depot
Type shit
teal coral
convoke spend and then just normal rotation
lofty depot
wrath x2 starfire sunfire moonfire starsure till im empty varies from 3-5 depend...
Uhh u forgot to trees and ca
lucid olive
wrath x2 starfire sunfire moonfire starsure till im empty varies from 3-5 depend...
Moonfire first
teal coral
yeah i forgot to mention its auto pilot atp
teal coral
Moonfire first
and why is this if I may ask
lucid olive
Your treants will refresh your Moonfire so you want to Sunfire 2nd so pandemic starts a global later
teal coral
oh I see
hollow mist
thank u gamz
teal coral
I also was wondering if moonfire has to be pressed at that point because trees already put it up but I might be overlooking something
lucid olive
It's better to just Moonfire yourself before treants
teal coral
okay cool cool
lofty depot
U can surge 2 times before trees apply
lucid olive
Technically it depends a bit on your haste but it's better to be consistent
teal coral
yeah i start in bear
calm ibex
Omg is that the real gamz
lucid olive
No
calm ibex
Damn
lucid olive
Heck that guy
All PTR characters got deleted gg
They caught us banding up in trade chat and shut servers off
lofty depot
Rip all my shit
lucid olive
Need to level from 1 again
teal coral
Riot MMO never gonna happen
that would have been hytale
dry compass
🙄
pseudo merlin
Are you a hater??
pseudo merlin
Aion 1 was and still is an insane game
Just like they went p2w after8 years
Aion 2 isn't trying to reinvent the wheel, it's just doing Aion 1, but 2
It's gonne blast
jade flume
Aion was pretty fkn cool not gonna lie
royal zenith
there's a lot of fun mmorpg's that had some high tide days
AA, Revelation Online, TERA, Aion, even Ragnarok Online
BDO
jade flume
Yeah, i raided in wildstar before wow
pseudo merlin
Real
jade flume
Was a really good game imo
But released pretty unfinished and it died
Datascape was probably the most insane raid ive ever done though
quiet drift
Yeah, i raided in wildstar before wow
dry compass
There's also a reason all those games are dead and you're here in a wow discord
royal zenith
which is?
lofty depot
Aion 2 is coming out soon
Holy shit
pseudo merlin
Yes dude
pseudo merlin
There's also a reason all those games are dead and you're here in a wow discord
Aion aint dead, its just outdated and forgotten
lofty depot
We're so back
pseudo merlin
Yup
lofty depot
Yeah, i raided in wildstar before wow
Type shit
pseudo merlin
Lmao
jade flume
Or when someone asked me for healthstones and i couldnt find it in spell book and said i dont have it talented
Gg ez
serene valley
is best in slot has intelect stat on it? it shows only agi / str? or is there something wrong in the toolkit?
orchid ember
is best in slot has intelect stat on it? it shows only agi / str? or is there so...
Read the out of combat on use effect
lofty depot
"is there something wrong in the tooltip"
Yea that u didn't read it all
orchid ember
cloud plover
to replace this shitter
cloud plover
Get the jugger
if only it was that easy
jade flume
Did u buy something already or
cloud plover
no
cloud plover
this char is 4/8m
and it needs to buy bis, hoc and idk whatever else as third
and a jastor too somehow
jade flume
I see, so you are gonna do a full clear eventually?
jade flume
Gl on ur candle then
cloud plover
signet is really not cool to play with
hate it
apparently i also did 4 dungeons and forgot to pick up the m+ dungeon quest so i have to do 4 more
signal temple
"is there something wrong in the tooltip"
Yea that u didn't read it all
It's a little scary that this gets asked a lot
lofty depot
It's a little scary that this gets asked a lot
Reading hard
lucid olive
apparently i also did 4 dungeons and forgot to pick up the m+ dungeon quest so i...
its week 500 log off
lofty depot
Critical thinking is a lost skill
signal temple
Reading hard
Almost warrants a pin to maybe spread awareness
lofty depot
Almost warrants a pin to maybe spread awareness
<a:pinned:739165024458899499>
does the evoker discord have it in a pin or faq
vapid oar
is it like super unusual or odd that my sim would tell me that the crit buff for the belt is best for my character? i know the pin mentioned mastery/vers/haste but crit slightly beats all those out for me on both 1t and 5t sims
I am pretty light on crit fwiw
signal temple
does the evoker discord have it in a pin or faq
Idk, it's one of the few classes I don't play enough to warrant me needing to join the Discord
lofty depot
is it like super unusual or odd that my sim would tell me that the crit buff for...
no
lofty depot
Idk, it's one of the few classes I don't play enough to warrant me needing to jo...
well thats the only other one that would need to switch it
lean sun
also the people asking about it are not the people that would read the pins anyway
lofty depot
i wanna say something funny but im not gonna
cloud plover
timewalking box my beloved
lofty depot
Big
cloud plover
cant upgrade it but using it anyway
signal temple
well thats the only other one that would need to switch it
HPally still commits to the shield?
lofty depot
My hpal doesn't care about mBIS but idk
hollow mist
apparently i also did 4 dungeons and forgot to pick up the m+ dungeon quest so i...
despair sadness misery
cloud plover
despair sadness misery
If only lakers was here to do keys
hollow mist
If only lakers was here to do keys
if only....
lofty depot
Read the pin
lone sand
Ty, did not notice the pin ❤️
lofty depot
Join a discord, look around
lone sand
Another question if I may, please. Is it worth it playing Elune's Chosen below +12 Mythic or should I just keep playing Keepers of the Grove?
meager storm
U could play it at 10s but it depends on the group
If u got 2 mm hunters u wont make it past dotting
lone sand
I will be honest, as you said guys, shit lives shorter than expected, so I need to burst fast since I am playing with high ilvl players with great burst damage
meager storm
Ye
I forgot who was the other mm enjoyer
@eager raft maybe
Mm looking insane for m+ as well with the explosive shot talents, u get like 3 explosive shots + 2 from volley every pack
Sht insane on ptr atm
- lock and load for every explosive shot cast
Cinema
lone sand
My main is MM now, did not try PTR yet, but Balance is fun and enjoyable
round field
round field
I wish balance was fun and enjoyable
Mby i wouldnt have the urge to reroll after every balance tier i play
round field
Frenzy*
meager storm
Both
lone sand
I mean it is easy to catch up with new talents and such, just lvled my balance that I was playing with last time in DF S3 or 4 I do not remember. It was easy and simpler now imo.
drifting nova
green wrath*
meager storm
Log off
drifting nova
hop off
round field
As much as i dont like pulsar
meager storm
round field
Its better than having nothing
lofty depot
Blud said balance is fun and enjoyable
meager storm
That’s what I’m saying
I’m still waiting for the trade off
What did we get in exchange
drifting nova
wasnt it making incarn better?
meager storm
lone sand
you guys don't think it is fun anymore or what?
meager storm
They nerfed incarn duration by a lot
round field
you guys don't think it is fun anymore or what?
No
quiet drift
Hasnt been since 10.0
drifting nova
10..was
round field
Its watching paint dry monotone boring
meager storm
Last fun boomy tier was vault
drifting nova
bfa?
meager storm
When weaver was a thing
quiet drift
+1
round field
Yep
drifting nova
is rattle playable now atleast?
round field
?
drifting nova
??
round field
Rattle doesnt exist
scenic mist
is rattle playable now atleast?
well 100% of mk play it so
lone sand
well, I've startedthis game in 2005 as Warlock main and since then Warlock isn't as good anymore, but I still love it
drifting nova
the funny like 40% starsurge starfall swap proc
quiet drift
One of the 10 random full passive talents we have
drifting nova
yknow proc gameplay
drifting nova
something every spec should have
quiet drift
yknow proc gameplay
Touch the Cosmos bro
drifting nova
no
meager storm
Remember when rattle was like starlord
quiet drift
its flipping amazing
drifting nova
the older one
meager storm
Holy
quiet drift
Feels great
drifting nova
the one before cosmos
scenic mist
the one before cosmos
starweaver ?
sounds right
lone sand
it feels I triggered a lot loool
scenic mist
rattle and the other were options
still are
round field
Yes
scenic mist
the node didnt chage
meager storm
U are good
round field
Spec is horrid boring
meager storm
Hey but hunters and spriest got a 3rd rework this expansion
They need it more
Totally
lofty depot
quiet drift
Hey but hunters and spriest got a 3rd rework this expansion
As much as the top end hates boomie I havent seen a casual hate current one
lofty depot
Spriest has 2 shadow crashes now and a 15s CD (was 20)
meager storm
I remember the cook with the tier set and weaver
lofty depot
Still waiting on my 1
meager storm
As much as the top end hates boomie I havent seen a casual hate current one
Too easy it’s actually like a toddlers spec
quiet drift
(:
drifting nova
As much as the top end hates boomie I havent seen a casual hate current one
I'm not fucking playing
so ???
scenic mist
Bm has more things to keep track of and react to than current boomy
boomy dont react
boomy plans
quiet drift
You never have to think more than 1 global ahead
meager storm
Oh man I got a cosmos proc! Let me use it before my eclipse is finished so I don’t over cap!
That’s it
quiet drift
Oh man I got a cosmos proc! Let me use it before my eclipse is finished so I don...
I got cosmos proc on last Wrath, ig I overcap!
meager storm
Unlucky!
lone sand
which site should I follow the talent from guys, please? wowhead/ icyviens or maxroll?
orchid ember
dreamgrove
quiet drift
orchid ember
maxroll.... 
lofty depot
which site should I follow the talent from guys, please? wowhead/ icyviens or ma...
None of those
teal minnow
bloodmallet
pure python
As much as the top end hates boomie I havent seen a casual hate current one
???????????
lofty depot
bloodmallet
No
echo ember
@mild jasper whats the wildstalker build ?
resilient flourishing vs root network
twin sprouts vs implant?
lucid olive
this is balance
echo ember
AH JEEZ
mild jasper
signal temple
We speak chicken here, sir/madam
loud kettle
Wildstalker boomy goes hard
proper sinew
teal sphinx
loud kettle
Finally, the rake weave dream comes true
spice radish
Maybe get the bloodtalon cat forms back from WoD and be able to cast in (humanoid) cat form?
signal temple
Wildstalker boomy goes hard
The laser beams have thorny vines
loud kettle
Maybe get the bloodtalon cat forms back from WoD and be able to cast in (humanoi...
let's not
scenic mist
@pseudo merlin just walking on the ptr
loud kettle
Saberon are cursed and should never return
signal temple
Saberon are cursed and should never return
During the BFA TW I remembered how I wanted Sethrakk as a playable race
loud kettle
Sethrakk are infinitely more palatable
wicked flax
how huge is tauren for boomkin survivablity?
loud kettle
Not at all
whole wolf
if you go High Mountain Tauren tho you get Antlers tho..
exotic perch
Saberon are cursed and should never return
true
frail sonnet
Araz's ritual forge + void touched fragment is a good combo?
cloud lion
How krona's foe do almost same dmg as starfire and starfall and my doesnt
he use FoE i use foe
maiden pasture
maybe link a log, theres no way we can know otherwise XD
umbral fjord
what talents do u play in testing?
pallid bay
random ones
sullen perch
anyone have a druid POV for raid testing?
cloud lion
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aMeooPwIJ1E?feature=share
its funnel dmg trust me
young ermine
Hey guys, I have a question. I've been told that simulating the balance druid in dungeon mode doesn't work, only boss mode works. Is that true, or have they fixed it already?
cloud lion
for m+ people use MDT sims
young ermine
Which one are you referring to?
young ermine
Thank you very much, I will check it out.
nova ocean
Guys stop doing so much damage on raid testing we are gonna get nerfed
Let the sp win so they get targeted by blizzard k thx
ivory torrent
why did my dryad only cast once entire 3 min fight
cloud lion
embarrassed by your starsurge dmg
pseudo merlin
Hey guys, I have a question. I've been told that simulating the balance druid in...
Casters tend to not use it because it just doesn't work with casting
Not a matter of fixing it really
lofty depot
CAN I ASK WHAT HAPPENED HERE ?
Should go get informed on wowhead
lofty depot
Guys stop doing so much damage on raid testing we are gonna get nerfed
Always happens
nova ocean
We need to learn from locks how to sandbag
hushed badge
Hey, do I spam starfall for as many stacks as possible? Or do I just want to keep up starlor at 3 stacks and spam starfire in AOE?
nova ocean
Moonkin brain won't let people not do damage when something is strong
lofty depot
Hey, do I spam starfall for as many stacks as possible? Or do I just want to kee...
Starfall yes
Don't overcap asp
hushed badge
Alright, thank you
cloud citrus
actual sandbaggers
lofty depot
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2497494672?t=00h55m03s
What's the problem
cloud citrus
1:45 BIG DAM
rain hinge
Is Season 3 going to change anything big for balance?
cloud citrus
depends what the tier set gets nerfed too
lofty depot
lmao
Just wait til u figure out how to play properly and get a bigger hit than 57m
Then u'll be blasting
pseudo merlin
meaningful gameplay finally?
cloud citrus
ye biggest i got yesterday was 166 mil from just the surge + 100 mil from dryad
livid jay
Just wait til u figure out how to play properly and get a bigger hit than 57m
how?
enlighten me pls
lucid olive
i got loot 
quiet drift
i got loot <:bigsmile:1010272183441956934>
zzzaaamn
lucid olive
thats my fooken bis
misty glade
broken ginkgo
yes
lucid olive
how are u guys using the giga surges?
i'm not
i'm letting the deer take it
i am just a herder
cloud citrus
lol
twin lotus
does the deer surge proc the favor?
broken ginkgo
does the deer surge proc the favor?
yep
cloud citrus
imagine they just dont change the interaction and we just WIN the game
twin lotus
ok, gonna try it
perfect for this fight honestly
does it cast both starsurges or only 1?
torn brook
Pog
pseudo merlin
Crazy
broken ginkgo
I saw the dryad using surges, but it didnt consume the favor
I have this on my details
frank grotto
are we good on raid or trash again
frank grotto
how are we looking on ptr tests today tho?
lucid olive
how are we looking on ptr tests today tho?
we're on the meters at least
pseudo merlin
definitely on the meters
lucid olive
you cant really take anything from PTR testing when it comes to how a spec is going to be when season starts
cloud lion
So RF is back but faster and no stun penalty
lucid olive
other than rough idea of gameplay
pseudo merlin
atleast not two months in advance
frank grotto
i mean numbers can always change, im just asking how we are looking on meters today
its not that deep
frank grotto
thanks
meager storm
i mean numbers can always change, im just asking how we are looking on meters to...
middle of the pack
spriest and hunters doing way more
frank grotto
heard spriests were bonkers
pseudo merlin
spriest and hunters doing way more
SV?!?!? 
meager storm
havent seen a single survival
pseudo merlin
rip
night gulch
do we spend the ss buff or hold for 1min/1:45 ?
lofty depot
@subtle sail how dare u
broken ginkgo
45 sec buff y
night gulch
45, I'm just trying to see what the opener is now I guess, do we just send the starsurges as we get them, or do we do the pool tech for the next ramp
subtle sail
<@143896368388374528> how dare u
?
digital berry
45, I'm just trying to see what the opener is now I guess, do we just send the s...
Try and do both on a dummy and see if there is a huge dmg difference è
meager storm
Try and do both on a dummy and see if there is a huge dmg difference è
there is
thats why i dont think its intended
digital berry
As in holding is much much better ?
I don’t hate the idea of a 3 ca cycle rotation
twin lotus
for ST u definetely send
subtle sail
Idk adept said u were talking shit about his viewers
LMAO wtf I did the opposite
I said theyre smart!
lofty depot
Oh sounded like u said "about as smart as adepts chatters"
quiet drift
Holding so cool cuz our gameplay just doesnt matter
outside of Dryad
sit in bear waiting for CA
subtle sail
Oh sounded like u said "about as smart as adepts chatters"
I asked if theyre smarter than adepts LOL
cuz adepts are smart!
lofty depot
Sooo true
lucid olive
I don’t hate the idea of a 3 ca cycle rotation
what do you think about slamming starfall between them
no matter target count
cloud citrus
ye starfall st
lofty depot
I think buff nerd to like 20/25 seconds and u can do funny tech 2nd ca then it's w.e.
quiet drift
Just make it so Dryad just casts the Surges herself
lofty depot
Then use buffs at the end of every ca
quiet drift
So CA being 12s feels less cringe too
lofty depot
Just make it so Dryad just casts the Surges herself
No stop
small elbow
Watching Noctuss on AutomaticJaks stream. This is getting nerfed so hard lol
cloud citrus
ye what gets nerfed is the thing doh
lofty depot
It's FINE
cloud citrus
if it goes from 5%->1% or something smaller without the buff being 15-25 seconds
cloud citrus
changes nothing
cloud citrus
Sandbag HArder
small elbow
Ye, stop casting Starfall to keep stacking up the Dryad and SS damage
livid jay
add /s resist now!
clever vigil
🫵
subtle sail
moonkin ST lookin a little funny
clever vigil
do not look at what i'm doing 24s
subtle sail
pressing starsurge
clever vigil
i'm pressing starfall on st
cloud citrus
double onuse + 1:45 opener
digital berry
Im more then ok with pressing starfall in st ngl
digital berry
I just want to not be a wet noodle anymore
twin lotus
give us stellar drift
lofty depot
I just want to not be a wet noodle anymore
Ur a wet noodle buddy
Stellar drift would be a banger for a tier we spam Starfall on ST
clever vigil
I miss stellar drift
ornate inlet
Boomkins, Im sorry, but as a shadow priest I must use you all as nerf shields, it's been an honor knowing you all 
(we're both cooked)
cloud citrus
is spriest even cooked on st and mass aoe?
cloud citrus
like spreist can be top for once in st
meager storm
hunter and spriest getting nerfs before us
ornate inlet
pseudo merlin
ret will get nerfed first
two reasons:
- instruments wings uptime during raid testing
- ret is only allowed to be good post prog
ornate inlet
Is ret blasting that hard, I've only seen a handful of details screenshots
teal minnow
I miss stellar drift
pseudo merlin
when you raid test: other people die
So people think ret is op
literally the exact same neverending cycle every tier
ornate inlet
classic
teal minnow
Ret gets wings if other people die
Ah conveniently bubble is on cd otherwise youd have saved them but oops guess you just get wings instead
torn brook
maiden pasture
I miss stellar drift
so real man
give us back stellar drift, kill the class in m+ idc give starfall the CD
delicate perch
<@301137650428018688> maybe
I’m a mm hater actually 
meager storm
is it reszpectable then
maiden pasture
stellar drift with cleaving starsurges
meager storm
delicate perch
Ya he has/plays a hunter so maybe
delicate perch
So real
vestal sail
Ok, I have to ask, is the tier set bugged or are the devs coming for Boomkins after this?
vestal sail
Yeah, I'm asking if there's some known bug or is it a tuning issue
lofty depot
Ok, I have to ask, is the tier set bugged or are the devs coming for Boomkins af...
We don't sandbag and tier set is good
It's not a bug
It's a tech
Scroll up and u can read about it
cloud citrus
its just cooking the tier set crazy amounts, they have to change the set not just nerf it
even at 1% its still like 50% increased damage 4 set
lofty depot
Meh, might cap the damage or the increase then nerf the duration
digital berry
Nerf buff duration = gg
quiet drift
xd
lofty depot
It's fine if it's 20second
cloud citrus
capping the damage wouldnt be a very nice fix for aoe though
ye playing for build still top 5
foe*
quiet drift
capping the damage wouldnt be a very nice fix for aoe though
Its already capped at like 70mil or something
cloud citrus
foe + elune
70 mil makes the sure do 130 bil
theres no cap on the buff im still gett 8k buff increases to starsurge
which is 200 mil surges + 150 mil dryad
the duration the buff lets it become what is now which im sure will be changed
lofty depot
Well if they nerf it to say 25 seconds. It allows u to do the tech for ur 2ne ca
So opener fun, then after is w.e. later
cloud citrus
ye 2 ca at 5% still pretty huge
esp for aoe i could see pulls doing 500 mil surges still
even with 2 ca instead of 3
lofty depot
That's fine
cloud citrus
😄
lucid olive
you're a mage player
cloud citrus
wow did neither of you even play boomy what is this
pseudo merlin
doing cinderbrew m0
tank did trash before first boss in 6 non chained pulls
with breaks in between
my soul left my body
cloud citrus
m0-m9 has some crazy people man
lofty depot
my soul left my body
Hard dungeon
pseudo merlin
i had to solo run al l5 beers
fiery harness
how does lou renown works? can we only gain 2 renowns every week?
fiery harness
so how do we farm it? i qd lfr and got 0 rep
fiery harness
this is so lame lol
pseudo merlin
we're taking a 5 minute(literally 5) mana break now after boss
subtle sail
NERF MOONKIN!!!
vital hound
(it wont)
digital berry
Tbh everyone else doing 2 mill dps thats like pitiful in S2
vital hound
pre sure scaling is 676
digital berry
Pretty sure if everyone in that group knew what they were doing the dps difference wouldn’t be that big
twin lotus
we are figuring the boss out yeah, not focusing on optimal rotation
fractilus kinda hectic
its ptr memes
cloud citrus
its not making it to live
young horizon
omg
cloud citrus
its full potential on aoe is like even more scuffed
lucid olive
pre sure scaling is 676
yes
digital berry
why are u flaming <@391289638003933185>
Just assumed he was testing with a group of randos
livid jay
nice dmg profile
vital hound
didnt even crit
livid jay
i cant figure out how you do the 140 mil crits
vital hound
double ca i think
ca hold buff
go into new ca then surge'
but idk i tried a bunch of stuff and ymmv
livid jay
so on pull ca+trees+convoke+best in slots
dump as many surges as i can until dryad goes away
starfall starfall starfall
ca
trees, trinket, pot
two surges
driad go away
SURGE SURGE BOOM
livid jay
yea am i missing something in my list?
vital hound
i dont think so?
livid jay
hmm ok
livid jay
its fun in a way that it produces big numbers and that its a bit harder to pull off with the timing of the second CA and second trees
but besides that its a bit degen
lofty depot
so on pull ca+trees+convoke+best in slots
dump as many surges as i can until dry...
well ur not gonna play double one use next tier
but sureeeeeeee ptr tech
livid jay
why is the driad also hitting for like 30 mil
is she using the surge buff without consuming it or sth?
lofty depot
cuz dryad is a chad
lucid olive
is she using the surge buff without consuming it or sth?
yes
pallid crest
Something i've never thought of before tbh, if we incarn before eclipse ends, we lose out on Nature's Grace buff, yea?
twin lotus
do u guys know how to face the beams on the nexus king?
lucid olive
Something i've never thought of before tbh, if we incarn before eclipse ends, we...
ye
pallid crest
F
lofty depot
Something i've never thought of before tbh, if we incarn before eclipse ends, we...
which generally only matters for EC
pallid crest
EC?
pseudo merlin
elune hero talent
pallid crest
yea im mostly m+
pseudo merlin
damn I tamed one of yall
lofty depot
NERF MOONKIN!!!
THIS IS FINE
round field
on god
its the same
every ptr
we slam top dps by 20% every boss
then get 0 changes
and end up fistfighting for top 3 worst specs all tier
drifting nova
NERF MOONKIN!!!
vs the worst specs in game gg
subtle sail
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