balance

[lofty depot]

but never on boomkin 😭

[pseudo merlin]

Wonder if frost and UH are the same guy

the UHers are super mad

the changes are jank as f

[lucid olive]

Got pinged in DK discord cause they're starting a social media campaign..

[pseudo merlin]

I think everyone just wants festering wounds to disappear

idk why they ever made that garbage

[vital hound]

we don't want them to hear our feedback

for once

[lucid olive]

They're mad DK went one singular raid tier without being played..

[obsidian tapir]

When do we start crying on all social platforms ? 😂

[subtle sail]

just give them the same shity buff rogue has and we can move on

[simple mango]

Does casting CA while in an eclipse count as "entering an eclipse"?

[dense steeple]

do you gain an eclipse buff?

[lofty depot]

tettles will work the magic

[obsidian tapir]

Alll hail tettles ❤️

[lucid olive]

Depending on the talent or interaction

Wording like "entering an Eclipse" can mean different things depending what it is, same as "your periodic effects" also mean different things

[fiery harness]

Is there an extra dmg multiplier aura in lou

Some renown buff?

[lucid olive]

There's the renown buff yes

It's up to 15% or something now I think and we still get an extra round of it

[fiery harness]

So if I just started to raid I have less dmg

[lucid olive]

Sure

[fiery harness]

Damn I was wondering why I performed so bad in raid

[lucid olive]

Just do the raid on multiple difficulties and you should catch up eventually

Well not having the raid buff is probably not the only reason

[fiery harness]

Straight blue + low purple parsing

[fiery harness]

Yea

[signal temple]

I would rather DK disappear

[loud kettle]

ya i reported the message

[cursive mirage]

the deathknights are unhinged man

I wanted to just pop in here to say thank you all for being unhinged but not that unhinged

[pseudo merlin]

death knights were goth kids who got bullied in highschool

[sonic crag]

Wait, Balance chat can be balanced?

[simple mango]

What's the best talent to lose for single target in order to pick up Soul of the Forest? I'm using the ST talent build linked in the dreamgrove guide.

[sonic crag]

DK chat is usually nice to share the cat gifs though. Do we have any here?

[lofty depot]

no

[signal temple]

Those losers moved to DH

[lofty depot]

funny crit talent maybe

[vital hound]

honestly without the buff

thats kinda lit

[lofty depot]

idk why u would do that tho

[lucid olive]

Either astronomical impact or umbral inspiration

[sonic crag]

This chat is doomed

[pseudo merlin]

ah

[lofty depot]

back to dk chat u go

[lucid olive]

You can open talent pages on top gear and click the "generate combination" option and then uncheck a bunch of talents and check Soul of the Forest and the sim will tell you

[signal temple]

https://tenor.com/view/drag-away-gif-17300181849340837224

[sonic crag]

I got a rank 1 on LFR so I'm a big deal in Druid land now

I'm rooted here

[signal temple]

[lofty depot]

guys i got first try electric current

is that good?

[pseudo merlin]

check pins

[signal temple]

Do you have the mech mount from getting all the upgrades?

[lofty depot]

clearly not

i aint doing all that shit

[lucid olive]

Link parses?

[signal temple]

#balance message
It's really not too hard as Moon Chicken

[pseudo merlin]

listen kid im 3k rio and I've been playing since week 2

[lofty depot]

i have to go farm delves anyway for gfilded :/

do it eventually

[signal temple]

Well it's quicker to spam T1 for the upgrade currency, but I suppose you could bump it up so you can at least get Crests

[vital hound]

[lofty depot]

yeayeayeayeayeyyea

gotta do like atleast a 10 i thin?

[simple mango]

Thx, I can switch with astronomical impact for only 10k dps loss. (Which I will hopefully make up for by having better uptime on Starlord and HOTH)

[lofty depot]

thats not really how that works

[lucid olive]

Idk it kind of is

Soul of the Forest gives more AP gen and equals to more movement globals

[simple mango]

I'm not really good at AP management, so I'm using SoTF as a crutch :/

[pseudo merlin]

wdym not good at ASP management

[lucid olive]

I've taken SOTF on Mug'Zee a lot it's a good talent

[lucid olive]

Spending for funsies

[simple mango]

My brain has not recovered from when I played balance in BFA and you wanted to weave in starsurge every chance you got

and I'm a resto main so I just kinda do what I can 😄

[sonic crag]

Without Pulsar, Starlord is the only thing left we can manage right?

[lucid olive]

Sure

It's also managing using your cooldowns in the right order

[pseudo merlin]

depending on what you mean by manage

[lucid olive]

And managing movement

[pseudo merlin]

the name of the game is not overcapping ASP while at the same time optimising movement and SL uptime

[sonic crag]

Yeah, but there's not much u need to track is what I meant

[pseudo merlin]

yeah

[sonic crag]

ABC

[simple mango]

I mean isn't it correct to start out each eclipse blasting for HoTH? Or is it not that impactful?

[lucid olive]

That's the snow planet from Empire Strikes Back

[simple mango]

Harmony of the Heavens lol

[lucid olive]

Yeah no that doesn't matter

You want to spend some at the start of Eclipse but that's mostly cause of Balance of All Things

Or BOAT if you will

[pseudo merlin]

They call it hoth but it's cold

🙂

[lucid olive]

You're yes then you're no

[simple mango]

Ok so generally the idea is blast at the start of an eclipse and then start saving a lil bit when you're leaving eclipse so you can blast again, right?

as long as you're not overcapping AP

[lucid olive]

Sure

[pseudo merlin]

its this

[lucid olive]

But also can just throw all that out the window and concentrate on movement

[lofty depot]

u generally get 4-6 surges or so and then ur managing it at the end of eclipse

[lucid olive]

It goes, in order

To prevent overcapping
Movement
Starlord
BOAT

That's when you spend AP

[pseudo merlin]

The more inexperienced you are the more you probably want to ignore boat

[lucid olive]

Yes

[sonic crag]

Easy to remember:
Captain Movement on the Starlord Boat

[pseudo merlin]

your brain certainly works in a way

[lucid olive]

Star Lord? He's my favorite Guardian

[sonic crag]

In what galaxy?

[sonic crag]

GotG

[lofty depot]

is that how dks remember how to do their rotation

just make a random phrase for everything

[sonic crag]

Idk, ask an actual DK

[pseudo merlin]

oh shit finally

[placid olive]

Oh shit that’s nutty

[sonic crag]

That looks just like the Warlock Artifact weapon with a bit more girth

[dense steeple]

how do i get the mount

i havent bothered

[pseudo merlin]

what mount

[dense steeple]

the delves thing

[pseudo merlin]

kinda does yeah

[dense steeple]

i ran that shit on 40 characters yesterday 🙂

[pseudo merlin]

im only d oingh it on like 6 a day

I got blue and red

i just need the crown now

[dense steeple]

ive gotten 3 of the regular scythe

sure would love the blue one

[pseudo merlin]

oh the non mog one?

the old one

[dense steeple]

yea

i havent got a new one yet

[simple mango]

Suppose I goof and I wind up capped on ASP when my eclipse runs out. Do I want to spend a little before casting my starfires or get back into eclipse ASAP?

[dense steeple]

yeah slam a starfall and move on tbh

[vital adder]

https://i.imgur.com/JYVb24U.png
Weird question, why is there a 15k damage difference if the trinket is just in a different slot?

[pseudo merlin]

use order

[jovial hare]

It uses the first trinket first

[vital adder]

ahh

priory ring is only a DPS increase for me if its a fully upgraded on mythic track

and i have 2 hero trinkets not fully upgraded

[pseudo merlin]

sim things fully upgraded

[vital adder]

i did in that sim i posted above

[jovial hare]

That's good

[kindred sluice]

does that mean that a sim uses Best in slots first before house of cards? so it delays house of cards?

[jovial hare]

No idea you'd have to check the sim

[lucid olive]

No

Different logic for them

[kindred sluice]

does it go on item slot order?

[lucid olive]

BiS is specifically mentioned in the APL

actions.pre_cd+=/use_item,name=bestinslots,if=hero_tree.keeper_of_the_grove&buff.harmony_of_the_grove.up|hero_tree.elunes_chosen&(cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time>20|buff.ca_inc.up)

[tiny tendon]

oh good it only goes down one stack every second of casting, ripped a convoke right when i caught the buff just to see it

[signal temple]

For Gilded? Yeah a 10 is good.

[lucid olive]

The APL has "use trinket" in a higher priority than "use items"

[dense steeple]

is charge the new good one

[lucid olive]

And the logic for BiS only checks for Treants buff

[pseudo merlin]

READ PINS

😠

[tiny tendon]

supposed top sim in pins but i'm just gonna go grab the mastery one and not think about it

[dense steeple]

fuck you youre not my real dad

[pseudo merlin]

How do you know

You never met him

[dense steeple]

my dad abused me

[tiny tendon]

not optimizing a 0.2%er on week 17

[signal temple]

Well there's verbal abuse right there so

[lofty depot]

ye

well its runed

i thought but ye

[signal temple]

Bountiful Delves should give Gilded at higher tiers though

[kindred sluice]

idk i used convoke and started losing charges, do you know if it procs off our tier set when we get shrooms?

[tiny tendon]

it loses charges but the wording implies every spell/ability cast

only went down by 4 instead of 16

[kindred sluice]

ah, i thought it was the shroom procs from our tier

[lucid olive]

Probably an ICD

[tiny tendon]

probably

but something to be aware of i guess

[lucid olive]

Versatility is good with Convoke too

[kindred sluice]

yup

[tiny tendon]

mushroom procs and moonfires from treants also tick it down but if it's ICD that probably won't have a play

mmm.

[delicate perch]

am I lucky or not, find out whenever I come back to check the stats

[tiny tendon]

it's vers/mastery top vers

[delicate perch]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-peralta-jake-peralta-b99-brooklyn-nine-nine-gif-8793716

[tiny tendon]

update

[delicate perch]

mayb good enough

[lofty depot]

doubt

[delicate perch]

nice "regular" advice

[true viper]

kotg is so fun on ptr

[kindred sluice]

kotg?

[pseudo merlin]

Knights of the old grepublic

[tiny tendon]

that's my top simming one personally

[sonic crag]

King of the Gills

[dense steeple]

doubt

[tiny tendon]

but i also haven't bought my jastor's yet

[pseudo merlin]

Krips of the ghetto

[tiny tendon]

waiting on copium drops from raid / vault on HoC/MMJ/jastor

[vital hound]

yea bl

[tiny tendon]

so i know which of the other two to buy

[sonic crag]

The +1 Luck makes it worth as a Nelf

[pseudo merlin]

its true

[sonic crag]

Its flipping crazy

[delicate perch]

don't be rude

[dense steeple]

okay so

since we inted last week we're extending this week

do i buy jastors or jugs

mugz is already dead

[vital hound]

you know what thats fucking rude

[vital hound]

jug stronk

[dense steeple]

sims lower than jastors 🙂 and less people want it

[lofty depot]

me wait to kill oab, mugz, and gally

[nova ocean]

Is gamz gonna make another feedback thread for ptr or we just gonna wait and see if they address anything

[dense steeple]

realistically he should make another or else others are gonna think were too strong cause were not ccrying for buffs

but the devs wont read it anyway

[dry compass]

Too early in ptr cycle

[dense steeple]

we could go the dk route

[lofty depot]

they made one already

[dry compass]

Give us/them a chance to play around and draft feedback

[dense steeple]

and start a gofundme on wowtwit

[nova ocean]

You talking the one from a month or so?

[lofty depot]

yes

[nova ocean]

Since they seem to have addressed nothing lol

[lofty depot]

i mean, yea

[lucid olive]

A feedback thread now isn't going to really change anything

[lofty depot]

this ptr iteration isnt that

[nova ocean]

Like no sign we are getting anything but tier tuning

[sonic crag]

I expected them to address the Dryad surge thing on ptr but I guess it'll be a bit longer until any changes come in

[lofty depot]

thats not how this goes

we dont get tuning until after the raid testing

[nova ocean]

Other classes got massive changes though tbf

[lofty depot]

yea were not other classes

welcome to boomkin

[dry compass]

Considering they just fiddled with druid talents last patch and have big overhauls to spriest/DK in this patch expecting more than tuning is foolish

[true viper]

this isnt gonna get tuned right

[lucid olive]

I'll make one when I get some inspiration to write one

[dry compass]

Lmk if you want help, I actually have time to get on ptr this cycle

[lofty depot]

were not getting playstyle changes until midnight

[fiery harness]

I probably have 3%-5% buff idk

[nova ocean]

I hope we get shit on beta lol

[lucid olive]

Well just doing PTR testing and sending feedback through the bug reporter is good

That's what I do

[fiery harness]

My rotation was kinda meh

[lucid olive]

Like they said that the EC 2pc won't proc Goldrinn but it very clearly does on PTR now

[sonic crag]

Do u think the 2 stack cap on Dryad buff is intentional so u can't get 4 from overlapping CAs?

[lucid olive]

It's probably time for a large scope feedback post though @cursive mirage thoughts?

[vital hound]

pls stop sharing data

they're gonna nerf

[cursive mirage]

Yeah we should start cooking that. We’ve got the one post we can work off of. I’ll get with you on it soon

The war against eclipse must rage on

[lucid olive]

Yeah I'm not home for a few days but I can crunch time over the weekend or something

[dry compass]

This is gonna be a monkey's paw moment

[nova ocean]

Need to tell all raid testers to not use starsurge and sandbag

[cursive mirage]

I’ll be out of town over the weekend but may be able to do some stuff on it while I’m gone tbd

[lucid olive]

I assume that Midnight or 12.1 class changes are in full swing internally so good time to get on that

[dry compass]

What will they replace it with

[cursive mirage]

I mean it’s already basically nothing so

God forbid you’d not be forced to use to very interesting and exciting other generator twice every 14 seconds!

[lucid olive]

Well...not using Starsurge means the dryad uses them instead without consuming the buff.. so maybe don't do that

[nova ocean]

Friend and family alpha probably starts after gamescon announcement I'm guessing

[lucid olive]

If your intention is to sandbag at least

[vital hound]

call in the big guns

[nova ocean]

O that's funny lol

[lofty depot]

[sonic crag]

Pure ST the Dryad thing isn't that strong though?

Could be I'm testing it wrong. But for me the results on PTR of 5 min normal (spending surges) vs Starfalling and keeping Dryad buff on ST dummy didnt show a clear winner

[lofty depot]

[vital hound]

bros giving blizzard bad data

https://tenor.com/bJJ0X.gif

[sonic crag]

Show me your data

[nova ocean]

The new tier would be so crazy if we had it on stix now that I think of it

[vital hound]

no cause then we get nerfed

[candid mason]

How big of an impact is major void ritual?

[vital hound]

coupla $

[candid mason]

cool, just finished it out

[grand prawn]

For anyone testing on PTR is the Gathering Moonlight buff caped at any point or it just stacks to the moon?

[vital hound]

6

[grand prawn]

Ok

[manic monolith]

is blazikon wax good?

[maiden pasture]

It's the best passive trinket from dungeons

[manic monolith]

damn, i havent used yet. it wants me to stand near the candle?

[scenic mist]

better if you can, ok if you don't

gl to spot it btw

[manic monolith]

its so small, whats the range for it?

[scenic mist]

it says "the light"

so prob something like 2-3y but i dont really know

[manic monolith]

shit, reminds me of the spell mages used to have

[drifting nova]

did you just?

[errant root]

idk if anyone else has this opinion but i wish best in slots wasn't our bis cause all the mace options are garbage for transmogs lol

[leaden birch]

[errant root]

scythe of elune is always the best option since you can use it for anything but sometimes if you don't have the mage tower appearance, it doesn't match

[leaden birch]

some good polearms too

[humble pollen]

Should I moonfire all the targets at all times if they live long enough? Or is there like a cut-off point?

As in 5 enemies, moonfire all, 50 enemies, just blast AoE

[lofty depot]

if they live long enough

if theres shitter mobs, usually not

[elder remnant]

Compendium used to have data on how long a target needed to live for it to be worth moonfiring past X Targets

Idk if it still does

[humble pollen]

It states Use Moonfire if the targets will live for 6 or more seconds and you will not overcap on AP. Start spreading Moonfire while the tank is gathering mobs.

It just feels silly to moonfire mobs when there's 50 of them in a bunch and Starfire could hit so many more 😄

But that's probably just me feeling wrong compared to what is objectively better.

[digital berry]

there will never be 50 mobs

like, that is not a situation you will encounter in game

[humble pollen]

I was exaggerating, I meant like the first M+ pulls that are multiple packs 😄

[tacit oak]

Hey guys right now for raid ST on ptr testing do you think we keep dryad 2 stacks and send them on incarnation 2nd incarnation only and just starfall the other time ?

[humble pollen]

But I'll keep it in mind that I need to Moonfire more

That is definitely something I need to work on.

[digital berry]

15 targets on keys above 14/15 live for long enough to dot everything before sending cds

you will do so much more damage

[humble pollen]

Thank you.

[digital berry]

that tier set will most likely not look like it looks right now when it goes live

there is no way

it's fun to theorize how to do big dam but no real set in stone rotations are gonna be established

[tacit oak]

I am generally talking on current situ on on dummy because if I just send every sec with trends if the fight is long enough dryad damage just ramps all the time

[digital berry]

yeah you can ramp dryad for 3 total celestial allignments

and then hold for forever and at like 4:15 start doing that again

[lofty depot]

u can fit them at the end of ur ca

[tacit oak]

Well Idea is don’t we get the buff right after dryad expires so we are still in ca

[digital berry]

yeah

[tacit oak]

And won’t we lose the buff if we fit them in the end also we kinda want to use them on double Balance of all things talent

Because currently on the dummy it’s really inconsistent as sometimes dryad dosent appear when u CA

[lofty depot]

this implies that thats more worth than spamming starfall for 30 seconds waiting for the next ca

[tacit oak]

Yes for 1st Ca we just hold and starfall 2nd we send insta with balance of all things

3rd we send insta again

[drifting nova]

then it'd be called mid in slots

[tacit oak]

And in the mean time we just starfall only send a total of 6 star surges for the 3 CA

And then hold for like 45 seconds where we just do our regular rotation

[lofty depot]

love the fysh cook

trolls so many people

[autumn vessel]

why is boomkin the lowest dps on OAB? im a feral main but we are playing a pretty melee heavy comp tonight so i was asked to swap and just trying to figure out why boomkin bad on that fight

[lofty depot]

its not bad

but the adds dont live long enough

[autumn vessel]

ah, we are running into add problems so me playing boomkin is fine

[lofty depot]

people think our niche is spread cleave

seems odd to swap u to boomkin tho

melee can just get off of boss and kill adds

boss damage doesnt matter until after the transition

and even then

ur not hitting an enrage

[elder remnant]

Absolute ape cook

[digital berry]

rae you're a hater

[elder remnant]

Yes

Violently

[potent cargo]

sometimes we do a lil

cookin

[digital berry]

i feel like im missing some gally pad tech

dwilkz did just way too much dmg on that boss

oh

so i guess the tech is to just shamelessly starfire

on the adds in melee range

[lofty depot]

he hacks

[hollow mist]

based

[elder remnant]

On a spoon maybe

[elder remnant]

Yeah if you don’t get p3 it’s gg

Also if you have a melee meat grinder

I don’t get to throw a convoke in to the shocker in p1 MugZee anymore

All fun nerfed

[digital berry]

well that doesnt work anymore since shockers dont count

[elder remnant]

That’s what I’m sayin

[digital berry]

ohh

[alpine ocean]

anyone have a source for standing on the opposite side of the arena at the start of mug so convoke doesnt target that immune add? I keep seeing vods do it, but RL said it would trigger the other mechanics

[leaden birch]

man

we started progging gally

and they're making me do a bomb

[exotic perch]

thats quite troll

[leaden birch]

just don't hit the boss first

I would precast max range at 4s, do my opener, then right as convoke ends, i wc into melee

[alpine ocean]

i did that all last week, but i was caught over there and i dont have a raid guide to point to T_T

[digital berry]

i mean there's no reason for the RL to tell you not to do it unless you fucked up a couple times and wiped the raid

[alpine ocean]

[drifting nova]

do they want to kill it?

[leaden birch]

gamz does it in his kill vid

[leaden birch]

they do

[drifting nova]

this year?

[leaden birch]

I'm just assuming they don't trust others with the cuff bomb...

[alpine ocean]

ya that's the one i watched! I'll try again...

[leaden birch]

if you really have to be safe

do your pre-cast half a second later than you'd normally start it

clear your nature's grace, start pre-cast at the end of 4s / start of 3s on the pull timer

whatever works for you honestly

[alpine ocean]

i think the disconnect is that RL believes that me standing on brown instead on metal ruins the sequence for the strat

[leaden birch]

not at all lol

majority of the guild is on metal

boss should start on metal

[alpine ocean]

we're not killing tn so i imagine i can just stand on metal and approach another time

[leaden birch]

if you're not killing tonight, then who cares

keep practicing starting on dirt

it's fine

[alpine ocean]

ty for giving me some talking points! this is my first M tier

[cloud lion]

Person who pull mugs need to be on dirt side

If u are not prepulling u can be on metal

[digital berry]

its real hard to prepull

[cloud lion]

Your rl dont trust boomie

It is when people pull it on 3

[leaden birch]

do you mean metal?

mythic starts on metal no?

[alpine ocean]

raid is starting metal side. same as the gamz kill

[leaden birch]

you got this

[meager storm]

any collectors in chat ?

[digital berry]

foul

[cloud lion]

Yes metal my bad

1 jastor pls if mythic

But prob buying it today

[delicate perch]

lucky boomkin has a bunch of defensives and insane self healing so they're at low risk of dying

[swift crystal]

Hey guys, sim pretty reliable? Its basically telling me to dump a ton into vers atm.

[mighty mica]

link sim?

[digital berry]

surely it's a dungeon slice

[iron chasm]

Took the words right out of my mouth

[swift crystal]

I closed it lol. Give me a bit and I can reconfigure it.

[mighty mica]

control + shift + T

[swift crystal]

I'm here atm with secondaries

[cloud lion]

Wdym close it? Are u siming in incognito?

[subtle sail]

damn I will use this a lot ty

[mighty mica]

doesn't raidbots also have a history

[leaden birch]

ye click the burger menu

[cloud lion]

If logged yes

[leaden birch]

you can see your history

[swift crystal]

I just closed a ton of tabs before I thought to ask lol one sec. I'm new to all this.

[leaden birch]

all g

[swift crystal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wNtyziVsC9dRZxV1K7gHpJ
I'm probably not even simming correctly.

Just wanted to see what gems were gonna be best

[leaden birch]

I think you gotta pick always max colours

[meager storm]

also u gotta change the belt passive

[swift crystal]

Noted, the always max colours puts me over the free maximum

[digital berry]

switching a couple gems is not "Dumping a ton" btw

[delicate perch]

that sim is missing like 9ilvls

[meager storm]

u can send just these

[delicate perch]

incarn

[leaden birch]

yeah honestly, it's not a huge deal breaker

[swift crystal]

Sorry by that I meant basically every option it could have given me Vers it did, so I didn't know if I was just undervalualing vers or something

[leaden birch]

having the right gems

[delicate perch]

vers is just poor mans mastery

[leaden birch]

my sim does like me to gem vers

if I'm slammed with mastery

[swift crystal]

Im crest poor q.q

[delicate perch]

[iron chasm]

What build are you running currently

Your talents confuse me

[delicate perch]

ya the talents are a banger

[formal crest]

can do any 2 handers tho and there are some banging 2h

[swift crystal]

I think I just grabbed that off of wowhead or something rofl.

[delicate perch]

[swift crystal]

Haven't actually taken a look

[formal crest]

this is so crazy cause he used to raid in my guild and i am okay with him lmao

im cackling

[delicate perch]

LOOOL he was an idol honestly

[formal crest]

rip mr mime man

[delicate perch]

bro just said the poors can not speak and it worked

[iron chasm]

Are you sure? Haha. Maybe go to dreamgrove.gg and get your single target talents and then sim it

[formal crest]

cavey are you at 19 resils yet

u r a gamer

[iron chasm]

Mr mime died it’s sora energy time

[errant root]

eh there are some, but not many scream "boomie" to me. i usually think like moons and stuff, celestial. rn im using a dagger and i have the constellation one

[swift crystal]

Ooooh this site is pretty, hell yea.

[formal crest]

go do balance of power questline in legion and unlock the moon artifact

[delicate perch]

nah we barely played this season, maybe some time

[formal crest]

bald

[delicate perch]

me rn

[formal crest]

me too tho i dont push shit im just 16 resil andy

[delicate perch]

[iron chasm]

16 is pretty pushin to me

[meager storm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tFknXYP38yBdH3bNLLh62u i made it

[formal crest]

idk man ppl are doign 19-21 rn

[iron chasm]

Talk to me when you’re a true 3k io 12 resil gamer

[meager storm]

[formal crest]

so hot

im like 3.8

[loud kettle]

im 3.1m gang if pi is allowed

[formal crest]

.08

or whatever my b

[leaden birch]

3.1 jesus

[formal crest]

evokers steal PI man

[loud kettle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cL6oTG4QdwH7CkDBkqj8dU

[formal crest]

versatility belt dak hmm

[iron chasm]

I think my boomy is close to 3.1 now

I’ll have to double check when I’m home

[loud kettle]

If pi is cheating then im not even at 3m

[formal crest]

[formal crest]

do u drive a volvo

[errant root]

yeah i already use scythe of elune but if i dont wanna use it then there aren't too many good ones is what i mean lol

[leaden birch]

yes sir I do

if it means anything to you

06 s60r

[formal crest]

nice taste

[swift crystal]

What belt mod you guys usin or do you sim for which is best?

[loud kettle]

just slam a sim click the stat ones

[leaden birch]

static charge for me

[loud kettle]

gear can influence results a Lil bit

[leaden birch]

m66 in magic blue with atacama interior

[formal crest]

sim whats best will likely be a stat proc tho

[loud kettle]

it will be stats ye

[swift crystal]

alrighty runnin it

I just pumped the ilvls too

[formal crest]

pump it up joe budden

[swift crystal]

Paid for "Rare" status since this site is also sick. They can take my money for support.

[formal crest]

[swift crystal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pCWS2fDD6qfnD9RM7sv4A4

Anything wonky here?

[iron chasm]

Maybe try simming with the 315 stats to ring over cursed

Also where’s your Circes, unless you’re doing keys and need the Stam Circes ring prob gives more mastery

[swift crystal]

I was mostly just gonna do keys till s3

Ill check it out tomorrow now that I know how to configure this a bit more, mess around and see what actually optimal is.

Ill sim circes too 🙂

[meager storm]

holy

im zooming

[iron chasm]

Dudes in s3 already he’s so fast

[swift crystal]

Ah is there a better version to use?

[lofty depot]

latest

[polar frost]

anyone play boomie in ptr keys yet?

[lofty depot]

@carmine vigil when r u doing ptr keys

[carmine vigil]

hey

[lofty depot]

hi buddy

[carmine vigil]

i did 1 single +10 as EC

felt good 👍

ill play ptr all week outside of team keystone and raid

[lofty depot]

big gamer shit

grinder type shit

[carmine vigil]

the new dungeon is beautiful man

i would take @noble spindle on a nice picnic date there

[lofty depot]

eco dome thing?

[noble spindle]

[carmine vigil]

yep

[lofty depot]

is pretty

[noble spindle]

its a date

[carmine vigil]

my bad

[stone ledge]

What if we regrowth’d each other at the space eco dome on a world record keystone level
👉👈

[carmine vigil]

stop it ur gna make me orbital strike everywhere

[livid finch]

What items i should buy with three dinars for rio push as boomkin?

[lofty depot]

https://tenor.com/view/convoke-druid-warcraft-feral-gif-25565356

[meager storm]

mods

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-meme-mods-gif-14385308006689816010

[stone ledge]

Sweet now I’ll have 2 more then usual

[round field]

Cheating on me???

[royal zenith]

rightfully so

do your thing dwilkz

[round field]

shut the fuck up dunce

[hollow mist]

plz be nice to deux

[round field]

absolutely not

[livid jay]

plz be nice to everyone iqni

[round field]

nope

especially not you

[livid jay]

you've always been nice to me

[round field]

oh sorry

must have been an accident

[livid jay]

i remember you calling me piss low or something once, tried to ctrl-f find it but u mention the word piss a bit too much

[hollow mist]

relatable

[atomic blaze]

anyone know what we are runnin for ptw seems keeper is the play?

[lofty depot]

Ptr is for testing, so go test them both and see what they do

[merry ibex]

is it good for m+? 20k haste 21k mastery with mastery flask

[lucid olive]

Don't worry about your stats and sim your character instead

[round field]

yes

[merry ibex]

motherlorde is fine to sim with mdt?

[sudden flame]

Have they nerfed the 11.2 tier set yet?

[round field]

yes

gutted completely

[sudden flame]

thank god

[round field]

you play elunes chosen without starfire now

[merry ibex]

wtf?

[fossil cipher]

Hey Friends, If you have advise for a Boomy before His First mythic Mugzee Pull, what would that be?

[sudden flame]

switch to feral

[round field]

dont trust treants to moonfire boss

[uncut whale]

+1

[vital hound]

yea just dot

no other casts right

[lyric kettle]

[lucid olive]

Scroll wheeling Moonfire

[lucid olive]

What's sus that is objectively good advice

Treants will just Moonfire the shocker adds and you have to refresh manually during your CDs and it feels like shit

[dire osprey]

[lyric kettle]

Do they not smart dot

[dire osprey]

[lucid olive]

They stupid dot

[dire osprey]

i swear they just spam 1 target for full duration

on that boss

[fossil cipher]

Dont Trust trees gotcha

[dire osprey]

they dont even dot the rocket guy either

[lucid olive]

Also if you have HoC you should hold the 3rd set of trees so you can send full CDs right as the finger gun goes off

[lyric kettle]

Into the adds that have been removed from logs

I guess the dmg is still effective though cause no shield

[fossil cipher]

Got it, thanks.

I appreciate the advice guys.

[jade flume]

Mine popping will be the most dangerous event so just send a personal on that everytime

And yeah, hold 3rd treants for the 2nd convoke so you can send it as soon as the frontal goes off and adds are broken out. But just send the dmg into the boss

[fossil cipher]

Beside mines, whats killing you the most in that Fight?

[lucid olive]

People going wrong side with ice boots

[dire osprey]

and dont get cooked on intermission by standing on the wrong side

[fossil cipher]

Wrong Side of the fence or when bulkyhead Starts Spinning?

[jade flume]

Standing in stuff in intermission or being slow, frost spears, dmg in last phase/gaols

These are main things besides the spears

[fossil cipher]

Thanks Guys. Gonna Report Back tomorrow after we kill him.

[dire osprey]

when he does the charges into bulletstorm, if you are on the wrong side of the charge u might get insta tapped

when he starts spinning

and ofc dodge the stun swirlies

[fossil cipher]

Thanks for the clarification. Wish me luck

[vital hound]

@lucid olive do you have id to track dryad uptime

[lucid olive]

I think it's 1236334?

[vital hound]

kk ty

[lucid olive]

Then the 2 buffed surges are 1236336

I made weakauras for them but I'm not at home so can't log on and check, but those are the IDs from the WoWhead entry on them and I think those should be the same

[vital hound]

ok sweet

ill make after this key and try

im just eyeballing rn

[fossil hemlock]

Was looking through PTR logs and found a korean doing 247M from a singular surge on first pull eco-dome

109M crit on 1 target and 17M on 8 other targets

[royal zenith]

also sounds way too much like flameshaper

but I guess it's on-demand 'burst'

[fossil hemlock]

It does have a 15-ish second ramp time, unlike flameshaper

[royal zenith]

then it's fine

maybe I should login to PTR and test it out a bit

cba fixing my UI for PTR tho

[round field]

cant even fix ur ui on retail

[maiden pasture]

wtf new deux pfp

[vital hound]

is raid buff this week

or next week

[maiden pasture]

next

[vital hound]

ty

[maiden pasture]

dinar this week tho

[vital hound]

bet

[livid jay]

guys

where are you

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/42?boss=3016&metric=bossdps&class=Druid&spec=Balance

come join the full single target squad on gally

[maiden pasture]

i might have to if we dont get a buyer

not getting the final set of adds is sad

[quaint minnow]

sup

[vital hound]

do i drop crafted ring

because ilvl cool

[livid jay]

throw a coin

[maiden pasture]

but the circlet in the bag lil bro

[vital hound]

i deleted circlet

idc for that shit

[lucid olive]

Gg

[vital hound]

"expert"

[royal zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/katt-williams-huh-what-seriously-gif-11786171104227646672

😆

[fossil cipher]

This week 15% next week 18% raidbuff?

[round field]

so bad

[pseudo merlin]

all my vaults are sockets

🙂

[pseudo pine]

i guess its a sim angle, but progging mythic mug atm, at 48%, would you save the last dinar?

To see if we get mugz down and maybe even gally, or pick BiS wep with the dinar from this week?

Got HoC myth track

Is the easiest way to sim with top gear or gear check?

[livid jay]

[livid jay]

what will be better for your prog?

If you are having dps issues, get whats best for mugzee prog and spend the dinar

if not, feel free to hold it

if u dont have best in slots weapon yet youre gonna want that anyways

sim it

[pseudo merlin]

The only progression left at this point is mugzee

I would optimise for mugzee

Gallywix isn't a real boss

[livid jay]

ye

if they are wiping at 48% mugzee its probably a bomb soaking tech issue anyways which would also mean gear doesnt really matter 😄

[pseudo merlin]

Yeah true

[livid jay]

enchant vers for more tank xD

[pseudo merlin]

But afterwards dps is still going to matter

[livid jay]

yes

true

[fossil hemlock]

What bombs are you soaking at 48%? Did I forget a whole-ass mechanic?

[cloud lion]

So when are we getting buffs

We are bott9m on logs sadge

[pseudo pine]

Ye atm its the bombs just before the 2nd soak we wiping on and the after going jails where you get 3jails etc

[pseudo pine]

Prob BiS,since id want that anyways, and it seems to be the biggest upgrade, and it will gain some extra dps for mugz aswell, might just take it and pray for rng lords if we get gally down to get jastor

[livid jay]

its the second bomb soak of the fight that if u mess up there and dont soak everything your healers can fall behind which leads to wipes shortly afterwards after the big rocket soak

[scarlet tapir]

@eager raft

on huntar

loterry = won

[fossil hemlock]

I mean I guess, I just don't expect guilds progging mug'zee currently to blast that much boss damage

[livid jay]

dunno, back when we were still clearing ce right before end of the tier we never had damage problems and were always pumping but a bit weaker on mechanics and organisational side

[obsidian tapir]

after the belt nerfs lighting rod do we have something bis for raid or we just sim ?

[potent cargo]

but r u a pisslow

[livid jay]

yea

im a pisslow padding dog

[livid jay]

pins

[lucid olive]

Idk feel like if everybody has 679 ilvl from just doing m+ vaults and stuff you can kill Mugzee with just everybody using the button

[livid jay]

the button 💀

someone should do a OBR exclusive world first gally kill

[hollow mist]

legendary

[livid jay]

I'll recommend it to my guild

[pseudo pine]

hmm,; maybe i try OBR tonight for mugz prog

[livid jay]

from world first 5 heal tindral to world first OBR gally

[obsidian tapir]

ty did not see it ❤️

[hard kettle]

Hi, I don't know what to choose in my chest between Priory/Blazikon/Flootbomb Ring Myth. Here's what the sims give. I see on Murlok that they put Ring Craft + Jastor but the sim says that Cyrce is better.

[livid jay]

murloc.io is irrelevant for you, trust your own sim

any reason u are simming 1T4min instead of 5min?

[pseudo merlin]

Don't sim gear compare

and sim 5 minutes

[livid jay]

and the second sim u sent is also irrelevant

[pallid bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1147301630291750943/1386821945294716978/chrome_SStu7BFlFN.gif

[pseudo merlin]

definitely dont sim 1m5t

[pseudo merlin]

Nah you're going so fucking hard on OBR

[livid jay]

that must be AI

[pseudo merlin]

AIsune?

[livid jay]

dont believe a sune character that doesnt have an orange healthbar

[pallid bay]

Eightsune was needed for mugzee..

[livid jay]

rest in piece to everyoen from dsune through sevensune

[pseudo merlin]

when Obrsune?

[pallid bay]

true i should make a retpala

[lucid olive]

Have you specced something other than Destro on that guy

[pseudo merlin]

I actually have no idea if ret is good OBR

I'd think not because it's so gcd locked most of the time

But then playing suboptimally also really doesn't tank your dps

[scarlet tapir]

@lofty depot is the static charge thingy looted at the end or during the delve

[pallid bay]

no

[lucid olive]

Gg..

Demo is more fun

[livid jay]

does it matter if youre playign obr?

every caster same fun

[royal zenith]

try out the button yourself

why you asking others

are you assuming it does good dps?!

[livid jay]

i did a key with it and was top so it must be goated

[royal zenith]

streamer propaganda is working

[lucid olive]

Destro is very good for the button

Chaos Bolt long ass cast time so you don't get the GCD penalty

[royal zenith]

I dunno, I've seen some logs

of OBR destro gaming

I think you might be lying

[lucid olive]

Sus

[pallid bay]

its a bit sus

i dont think lock has a fallback

apparently boomie has moonfire

[livid jay]

is it toxic if i do obr next raid to see how many people it outlogs

[pallid bay]

its based..

play the EC OBR build..

cant mess it up

[livid jay]

is it better than the keeper one?

[pallid bay]

in theory no

in practice probably

[livid jay]

cause it doesnt miss casts in tree window or?

[pallid bay]

it only plays ca

no convoke no incarn

and sending foe on cd dosnt really matter

[elder remnant]

is vers belt broken for us?

[pallid bay]

completely broken

need to repair

[elder remnant]

🥲

[pallid bay]

kotg can just convoke with dots expiring, send trees and not have it for convoke etc

[elder remnant]

huh

[pallid bay]

you entered an ongoing discussion..

[elder remnant]

apparently

and your response had my key word in it

LOL

does vers belt do for us what it does for warlock or no?

[pallid bay]

no idea

[livid jay]

yea thats what happened when i tried it on a dummy

[elder remnant]

wither ticks are making the belt tick down instead of casts

[pallid bay]

tick down would be a bad thing?

[quiet drift]

y

[lucid olive]

We have some stuff like that

[livid jay]

someone put it perfectly here a bit ago that it feels like watching a bad boomkin play seeing everything they do wrong but not being able to fix it

[elder remnant]

mmmhm you lose 5% vers every spell

[pallid bay]

[lucid olive]

Someone said Convoke ticks it down by 4

[pallid bay]

i did whole raid on lock

[lucid olive]

Assume it hits an ICD there

[pallid bay]

3 bosses on boomie before i turned it off

[elder remnant]

oh good

[white flint]

question, anyone has a pov video of bandit with 4 adds strategy?

[elder remnant]

perhaps i play crit or mast belt

[livid jay]

im just gonna turn my weakaura off

what i dont know

cant hurt me

[pallid bay]

[lucid olive]

The sim will just take it into account

[pallid bay]

i just made a WA to see what it would cast next

[pseudo merlin]

Shut up Rae

[pallid bay]

so i could press CA before convoke

[livid jay]

"just made a wa" for that?

can u take that from game

or did u code an apl in a wa 😄

[pallid bay]

it'll just display what the button displays basically

[lucid olive]

But honestly the 4 secondary stat belt procs are close enough to each other it doesn't really matter I think

[pallid bay]

there's a trigger for it

[livid jay]

ahh ok

[elder remnant]

fuck u ravec

[pseudo merlin]

mods????

[quiet drift]

Belt doesnt tick down from Dots

[elder remnant]

sim takes vers belt bug into account?

[elder remnant]

hallelujah

[elder remnant]

shhhh baldie

[pseudo merlin]

lakez about to stand up for me

[elder remnant]

doubt

[hollow mist]

tells rae to shut up for no reason, cries for mods at the first rebuttal lmao

[pseudo merlin]

shit

What about men deserving love and compassion?

????

[hollow mist]

low T behavior buddy

[elder remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/point-and-laugh-schadenfreude-squid-game-hilarious-haha-gif-23450682

[pseudo merlin]

That's not a lot of love and definitely no compassion

[lucid olive]

Is it a bug though or

[hollow mist]

gotta give it to get it

[elder remnant]

for warlocks supposedly yes?

[lucid olive]

Bug or just not explained in tooltip

[lucid olive]

Gg

[elder remnant]

ICD on voke is a good thing imo

[lucid olive]

I don't see any reason the sim wouldn't include that anyway

It ticks down on 2pc procs too I think

But I haven't really tested it at all just seen people yap about it

[royal zenith]

The reason is: the person adding it forgor

there you go

[elder remnant]

i mean i don't think it should be ticking down on wither dot ticks

and i doubt the sim has that accounted for lmao

[lucid olive]

Depends if the effect is a script or not I guess

Or if Destro wither specifically is scripted and works differently

Either way the wither script should be recreated in their class module?

[elder remnant]

looks normal

[obsidian tapir]

apparently DH autoatacks tick the verse buff as well so every autoatack it does 1 tick :))

[elder remnant]

oh i can't WAIT for the RNG on this

[quiet drift]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1275740946558095433/1370723064177885185/twitter_1920811740679278814.gif

[round field]

Well dh autos are a spell

Ret should be the same

[hard kettle]

so how to sim crafted gear ?

[livid jay]

anyone remember that pigeon simulator browser game back in the day

[pseudo merlin]

top gear

[hard kettle]

ok ty

[pseudo merlin]

Top gear is just better gear compare that largely eliminates human error/oversight

[hard kettle]

okay

I don't understand why no one plays Cyrce on Raider.io, even lower in the rankings. While my sim tells me he's better.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/erTaJXC88LtcbrTvwydo2M

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xb1T5REMvssLJnycYGWgf7

[pseudo merlin]

Stamina probably

[hard kettle]

yes it is possible

[quiet drift]

Emphasis on "my"

Peoples character and available gear are different

[pseudo merlin]

how could it be different if the bis list is the same for everyone

🤓

did tettles lie about the REAL bis list again?

[quiet drift]

Also do MDT sims instead of 1min5t

[winter tapir]

if you sim the top players circlet sims for more in EC on 1min/5min X target. At least that was the case a few weeks ago when i did it

MDT may be different havent done it in awhile

[lucid olive]

Crafted has been simming slightly more in MDT sims

It's also more stamina

[pseudo merlin]

[quiet drift]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hGD3PHjU7Upyu65mGrvhVh

huge gainz

[final charm]

is there any welfare catchup gear i can grab efficiently right now?

[pseudo merlin]

ring and belt and the stuff from visions

[final charm]

thanks bro!

[pseudo merlin]

visions might be limited to just weapon, I don't remember

decent still, assuming you got currency from a dif char

[quiet drift]

They can drop armor too

You need to buy Weps

[pseudo merlin]

yeah im just talking about buying

visions are good for fresh char gearing tho

[final charm]

my druid has absolutely no gear , just trying to get something for 11.2

[pseudo merlin]

what I did was buy the 597-603 pieces off of AH, get circlet + belt and then queue LFR and then do some visions

Or atlernatively dastardly duos

then you should be good for m0/+2

[royal zenith]

what ilvl is visions @pseudo merlin

maybe I gear up ret paladin if I cba to login

[pseudo merlin]

Its like 632 veteran at 0 mask

and 658 hero at 5+

but that's 1x/week

the farmable im not entirely sure

So I think you can get 2x hero 3x champ 1x veteran by doing 6 runs at every difficulty each or 6 runs at highest difficulty

and you can buy a hero weapon for tokens

[eager raft]

BIG

[jade flume]

Man i thought my fluide forme was borkened

Why is it swapping me to bamkin at the end of the cast and not at start

[fallen ivy]

How much people have Mastery / Haste / Crit = mookinform?

[mint osprey]

I’ve killed M Stix as hunter but being asked to bring my M+ only 681 boomie as their only boomie is m.i.a.

Do I just dot / hit the boss and spam starfall over starsurge when adds are out?

Or do I sunfire / moon fire as many crabs as possible?

[jade flume]

Yeah dont bother dotting shit

Just send cds and start spamming starfall when adds spawn

Maybe you can sunfire if somehow a lot of adds are stacked on high hp

But you can do a lot of dps and never dot any adds tbh

[twin lotus]

spend all AP on starfall then sunfire while u wait for more to generate. trees should do most of moonfires

[mint osprey]

Thanks much - will give it the ole college try

[twin lotus]

u can use dreamburst to finish them off

[livid jay]

cause blizzard thinks you are a dirty abuser and will use a macro to swap out and in with every wrath to get haste buff from human form

[twin lotus]

didn't they make it so you need to stay in form for a while to get the buff?

[livid jay]

sunfiring cringe just wrath

can send 1-2 sunfire on a hyena pack if its roaming around for pad

[twin lotus]

I still think sunfire and running towards ur tank is the correct play. sunfire does wonders for mastery when u have 200 starfalls down

[livid jay]

havent tried it but sounds not fun 😄

[twin lotus]

if you really want to min-max useful dmg. you can also try to pool an umbral embrace but it's kinda irrelevant

[livid jay]

that sounds so negligibly small of an increase 😄

youre knocking the bombshells off their pedestal in 10 seconds anyways

[twin lotus]

it really is, you are right

[lofty depot]

End

[topaz kestrel]

hm how do we feel about about the tierset for season 3 as it is tuned right now? (is there some other channel i should check?)

[lofty depot]

Venthyr lite

See if it gets nerfed at all

[olive trout]

On 11.2 which talents are "better" for M+? Someone tested already something?

[lofty depot]

Dwilkz said he did a key but no, go test them

[mint osprey]

In general for M stix stay within arms reach of the tanks I’m guessing given I’m hitting everything?

[lofty depot]

Idk how shit it is anymore, before always told people to put the tanks between u and the hyenas

Stand at least in them.... Ur gonna pull aggro

[livid jay]

it is still the same amount of shit

you as a boomkin are the groups massgrip

just be ready to call for an external

and tell your healers to watch your healthbar when adds are out 😄

if u want to make sure you die, press bearform if you think the adds close to you are gonna aggro onto you

[lofty depot]

Or play better and stand not in shit place

[livid jay]

nah bro

i ran through melee

with packs of hyenas on my ass

come out other side

still on my ass

tanks cant press aoe buttons apparently

[lofty depot]

I ursol them in narnia for pad, we're not the same

[mint osprey]

Hug tanks / vortex — check

[twin lotus]

based

[livid jay]

also if any melee tell you to get the fuck out of melee cause of fire spread tell em to suck a cock

[mint osprey]

Roger that

Whiny melee bitches

[pseudo merlin]

what ?

Sim your gear

[lofty depot]

How much do u have tho

[pseudo merlin]

And just for confirmation

I am indeed an = moonkin form

[livid jay]

most tanky boomkin

[pseudo merlin]

10m hp 😏

My 13m ret has nothing on this

[livid jay]

[ocean palm]

why am i not able to sim Static Charge https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ba8coNvfTHEZa4nD6y4ef3

But i can sim other powers correctly? It will just use charged bolts.

[pseudo merlin]

Why are you using quicksim

Quicksim is not the tool for comparison

[vital hound]

@lucid olive

[lofty depot]

I mean it shows u using charged bolts

[livid jay]

what are u doing

sheep

[lofty depot]

Go to top gear and change it to static

Or in game

[calm ibex]

It doesn’t work with simc

At least as of yesterday

Top gear only

[vital hound]

farming crits

in boralus

[lofty depot]

Change ur version to latest too

[ocean palm]

changing in-game wont work, trying top gear now.

[livid jay]

monka

[lofty depot]

I mean, I always just used top gear

Why sim each one individually

When u can sim all of them at once

[pseudo merlin]

it doesnt matter if you change it in game

[livid jay]

why sim

[ocean palm]

What about this, comments? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jhZcmEPq1ZwfcMpAdYLSVr

[pseudo merlin]

quicksim is not the tool for comparison

looks fine to me

[lofty depot]

Didn't change version

[vital hound]

big fun

[lofty depot]

Tragic really

[pseudo merlin]

oh its weekly still

[livid jay]

just roll a dice between the top 3

[lofty depot]

I mean, put on haste or mastery and vibe

The difference quite literally doesn't matter

[ocean palm]

aight tyvm

[pseudo merlin]

fastest way to amirdrassil is portal to darnassus?

[lofty depot]

Unless there's a dreamwalk

(idk if there is)

[pseudo merlin]

ye im not sure

i feel like there should be

[crisp scaffold]

Hi,I only have access to HoC on mithic idk when we kill mugzee ,should I take it ? I have signet mithic ,hoc heroic ,jug heroic

[livid jay]

sim it

[lofty depot]

If ur not gonna kill OAB again sure

[crisp scaffold]

Nope ,stuck at mugzee till we kill it

[lofty depot]

Generally u don't want to dinar items that are easy to get, but if u want it for prog sure

[pseudo merlin]

wait why do you have mythic signet if you've got hc hoc

vault?

[lofty depot]

Vault surely

[pseudo merlin]

I hope so

[crisp scaffold]

I sim and it told me signet is better than hoc

from vault

but everyone on logs is hoc + jug

[lofty depot]

Well yea everyone on logs has killed those bosses 8 times