Destro is a turret spec, shadowburn is the only mobility it has
#balance
proper sinew
fossil hemlock
Destro is a turret spec, shadowburn is the only mobility it has
Shadowburn, conflag, wither if that hero spec
proper sinew
corruption has been instant since like tbc
cloud plover
fire mage is BM hunter but nobody spits on it like BM
ele is pretty decently mobile these days
hollow mist
I spit on fire mages all the time
cloud plover
destro shadowburn build is definitely mobile and only loses like what, 1% or so in "sim terms" while offering a massive amount of higher mobility
proper sinew
destro is cripplied by movement wdym
if you can't press shadow burn what do you do
nothing
pallid bay
bad onion
fossil hemlock
destro is cripplied by movement wdym
Idk I heard they were before and then heard it got a lot better in the last rework
fossil hemlock
scenic mist
proper sinew
when did they give it a cast time?
scenic mist
for any spec ig, rather than just affli
scenic mist
when did they give it a cast time?
yeah i specified right above, the instant corruption is extended from affli to all 3 specs
fossil hemlock
Yeah from wowhead right now
obsidian jetty
😠
scenic mist
gives 3% vers
scenic mist
<what are you babling about
scenic mist
avoidance you mean
scenic mist
yea vers and avoidance aint the sqame thing
pseudo merlin
im like half asleep
scenic mist
idk what units you are counting with
pseudo merlin
freedom always
pseudo merlin
youre probably counting in white flags
scenic mist
pls my country aint 300yo
ornate quest
hi, just making sure you can't refresh eclipse right? like you need for it to finish then do the double wraths thing again?
craggy sonnet
yes
pseudo merlin
yes but you can start casting one of the two wraths/stfs you need to get back into eclipse at the end
before its over
and CA can always be activated
though you'd probably want to wait for eclipse end because of dreamstate
craggy sonnet
only really relevant for EC
pseudo merlin
yeah
ornate quest
do you play with CA in m+ tho?
pseudo merlin
idk i dont think ive ever called it incarn
unless specifically talking about the differences
vital hound
only really relevant for EC
craggy sonnet
ok?
vital hound
casting starfire to get back into solar quicker is def good
craggy sonnet
though you'd probably want to wait for eclipse end because of dreamstate
was referring to this part
scenic mist
casting starfire to get back into solar quicker is def good
yeah i think he was talking about waiting for eclipse to end bvefore sending ca
craggy sonnet
re waiting for CA
scenic mist
from coppin an L from the french
vital hound
scenic mist
that hurts so bad
vital hound
that hurts so bad
scenic mist
this guy will NOT get parole
vital hound
hollow mist
thats a creep emoji if i ever saw one
i agree with clankz.
lucid olive
i agree with clankz.
I'll take "things nobody has ever said" for 100 dollars
craggy sonnet
vital hound
lofty depot
vital hound
yea xalatath is friendo
lofty depot
But before that it was no one
craggy sonnet
balance only ..
lofty depot
we're dragonriding on last boss btw heck yeah love Tindral
Ur like a week late big dawg
All the rest arent people bud
lucid olive
yeah i've been playing minecraft
craggy sonnet
all the rest arent huge arses
lofty depot
Get mad about that
craggy sonnet
just did
scenic mist
Xalatath is helping us?
are you familiar with silver surfer/galactus ?
scenic mist
this is xal/dimenseus
lucid olive
silver surfette
lofty depot
Gamz probably hasn't done lorewalker cho
round field
we're dragonriding on last boss btw heck yeah love Tindral
I cait wait to dragonride on 3 fps because my game has to render stormwind sized raid boss
And 300000 spinny obstacles
lucid olive
Gamz probably hasn't done lorewalker cho
bro I was logged in for like 1 hour
did the belt and the Arathi highlands questline
then logged off
lofty depot
And 300000 spinny obstacles
Time to buy a million inky black pots
lofty depot
did the belt and the Arathi highlands questline
Log on
lucid olive
logged back in for raid yesterday, killed 6 bosses and logged out again
craggy sonnet
is the arathi questline worth doing?
lucid olive
no
craggy sonnet
like, some good stuff in there or boring
scenic mist
is the arathi questline worth doing?
nothing is worth doing in this game
lucid olive
you get a tabard that's red or something
very average storyline
i was just bored and i generally enjoy the Hallowfall questlines and aesthetic
craggy sonnet
ye
lucid olive
and now I'm leaving in a few hours and not logging in until thursday
hopefully find a group for raid testing
jade flume
No shot they accept bamkins
lucid olive
surely
royal zenith
oh raid testing starts this week already?
lucid olive
yeah 3 heroic bosses thursday
royal zenith
poggers
jade flume
Raid releases on 31st so they have to hurry up
scenic mist
Raid releases on 31st so they have to hurry up
13th
jade flume
11th is friday so 13th would be sunday buddy
scenic mist
11th is friday so 13th would be sunday buddy
august
TTW ends aug5th, so 11.2 will be aug6th and raid aug13th
jade flume
Nah no shot, im not waiting that long
scenic mist
yes shot
jade flume
jade flume
Didnt poe get a new league like yesterday
royal zenith
yeah, they did but in aug new league poe2
it's like every 2months a new league, cadence of 4?
poe1 and poe2 swapping around
jade flume
No shot they are keeping poe1 alive when sequel is out
jade flume
More importantly tho, diablo 4 new season next week
pseudo merlin
No shot they are keeping poe1 alive when sequel is out
theyre completely different games
so like
Not keeping poe1 alive cuz of poe2 is the same logic as not keeping diablo and torchlight and every other ARPG alive cuz poe2 exists
poe1 is a 1 button simulator like every other ARPG, that's what it competes with
poe2 is currently also that, but trying not to be
scenic mist
poe1 is a 1 button simulator like every other ARPG, that's what it competes with
like 11.1.7 wow right ?
pseudo merlin
yeah
rancid obsidian
Hello, I'm comparing logs (mine vs Dwilkz). And I notice that he does 30% more damage on starfall. Same comp, same talents, close stats. What am I missing ?
my logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/A2GZcXfgtQaxLdKr?fight=13&type=damage-done&source=405
Dwilkz logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DT1dYaCgFLj46c78?fight=30&type=damage-done&source=3
royal zenith
they're just 2 different flavour of games, sadly they keep comparing it
cause same name
pseudo merlin
Yeah because these fanatic poe1 idiots want poe2 to be poe1
and theyre all mad
like it's not your game, it was never trying to be, and GGG never said it would be
how are you so stupid that you keep expecting it to be
scenic mist
Hello, I'm comparing logs (mine vs Dwilkz). And I notice that he does 30% more d...
you dont dot enough
you
him
dot up = mastery value = bigdam
rancid obsidian
you dont dot enough
all my targets was doted, he prolly do a bigger pull
pseudo merlin
why is SUF being cast 3 times
scenic mist
all my targets was doted, he prolly do a bigger pull
then it also explains why starfall does more dam
rancid obsidian
why is SUF being cast 3 times
tank was a bit slow to setup
jade flume
Bigger pulls and more starfall casts in shorter run
Also difference in how pull dies(leftover mobs or everything dying equal etc.) can be quite big too but not gonna check that
scenic mist
and he has 4k mastery more than you so spender does more dam
scenic mist
<:SuspiciousChicken:468815079836745728>
what ? u wanna fight ?
tardy hare
anyone seen something like this happen?
lucid olive
yes restart your game
pseudo merlin
Turn off night vision
tardy hare
yeah reload helps but it comes back
pseudo merlin
restart not reload
rancid obsidian
okay but 30% difference in damage is still huge, i'm shock !
lucid olive
restart not reload
lofty depot
Ur GPU dying, o7
tardy hare
Yeah obviously I've done that too
lucid olive
my guild calls it getting greened
cinder valve
Maybe direct x 11 instead of 12 will fix it worked for me
pseudo merlin
Some kind of GPU shenanigans, I saw some others talking about it the other day but I don't remember the conversation
lucid olive
idk my guildie got it yesterday and he either restarted the game or his PC and then came back
don't remember which he did
tardy hare
Ok. I might have old drivers for GPU
scenic mist
okay but 30% difference in damage is still huge, i'm shock !
lots of multiplicators in the spec
lucid olive
need new gpu drivers for 20+ year old game
tardy hare
don't remember which he did
could you ask him? If it didnt came back
pseudo merlin
It was either a game restart or a pc restart
do we really need to make sure we know which one it was
lofty depot
need new gpu drivers for 20+ year old game
Often times bad downloading new Nvidia drivers
Usually wait a few weeks when they're released
lucid olive
Often times bad downloading new Nvidia drivers
sure
craggy sonnet
anyone seen something like this happen?
Do you have dx11 enabled?
Didn't read further.. gg
But yea, apparently dx11 has helped some folks
junior stirrup
For high keys, on bosses for example where a pack or some mobs are pulled in to give arcane mage funnel - is ot worth dotting the mobs there for shooting stars procs to get more surges out? Eg adds on gorechop
I am of course not startalling on these situations but unsure about dotting for my own “funnel” there
lofty depot
Yes
craggy sonnet
On gorechop I'm always starfalling
lofty depot
Dotting good
And yea, gorechop adds are different to most pulled in mobs because they jump around and mage can't always hit
junior stirrup
On gorechop I'm always starfalling
I dont normally as we are playing woth ret pal which has wuite a lot of aoe in melee by defauly but i uavent been dotting up until now on those funnel bosses
craggy sonnet
Oh, yea you should
lofty depot
If they live long enough u always should
craggy sonnet
Idk what/how much you pull onto swampface
lofty depot
Ret isn't a funneler
junior stirrup
We are working on 19/20s atm and i was unsure if its trolling or good overall
lofty depot
It's trolling to have a ret
junior stirrup
Nah the ret isnt funneling but ye gets empyrean hammer procs and such that do a little aoe. He isnt divine storming
Eg
craggy sonnet
But depending on if something else is pulled after / they are scary enough, I also starfall on top of dotting
junior stirrup
Nwh we arent playing around a ret
lofty depot
U are
scenic mist
starfall to kill dangerous mobs, otherwise just dot to keep them alive for mage funnel
craggy sonnet
?
lofty depot
U said u weren't dotting shit
craggy sonnet
He said mage funnel
lofty depot
I dont normally as we are playing woth ret pal which has wuite a lot of aoe in m...
What
craggy sonnet
He said ret kills the gorechop adds decently
craggy sonnet
But I don't think that's true btw
junior stirrup
Than i do
craggy sonnet
Yea. If you ever get more than 2 then you should have aoe'd
These fuckers do be scary
junior stirrup
Yeah on the 19 we tried last night we would get 4 adds for maybe 5-10sec then back to 2
But i wasnt sotting or starfalling
At all
So i guess i dot and surge
lofty depot
Depends what it is
junior stirrup
I just wondered how much “funnel” i get from dotting mobs and then surging into a boss, woth the shooting stars procs
Or if im trolling my mage
By doing that
Basically 😄
lofty depot
Dotting them isn't trolling the mage
Fuck the mage too
Fuggn rat class needs hand held
lucid olive
on gorechop you should definitely dot the mobs
but on something like 1st boss darkflame you shouldnt
junior stirrup
Eg on gorwchop, the mage did 150mil more on boss than me even when i was full st
So ofc that matters
lofty depot
Well yea
junior stirrup
But i guess i should dot
lofty depot
He's supposed to what
junior stirrup
Yeah i dont dot on dfc and such
lofty depot
bro is like a 12 year old
Shut up old bitch
proper sinew
Unless you are killing adds with dots (you aren't on gorchop)
scenic mist
but on something like 1st boss darkflame you shouldnt
sunfire when they spawn is kinda good tho
royal zenith
class/spec hating is for losers
lofty depot
class/spec hating is for losers
I play a mage, I know what the rats play
royal zenith
except if they are feral..
scenic mist
But it seems i am misplaying by not dotting mobs on funnel packs
i mean, keeping dots up on multiple targets w/o pressing starfall is a pain too
lofty depot
except if they are feral..
Morals instantly flawed, opinion invalid
craggy sonnet
i mean, keeping dots up on multiple targets w/o pressing starfall is a pain too
This
royal zenith
else it's feelycrafting
junior stirrup
Another example. We pull a diver pack into swampface for mage and i dont dot them at all and i surge
And idk if i should for my st damage
Extra asp
Eg
lofty depot
U should
craggy sonnet
Another example. We pull a diver pack into swampface for mage and i dont dot the...
Do you pull in multiple packs?
royal zenith
if you can legitimately say "I gain 100 extra asp by dotting all the mobs with sunfire" that's an argument
lofty depot
Dots aren't the reason the mage is doing less damage
junior stirrup
I cant remember but we usually pull 4 mobs i think
And we pull crabs in acter
They die
royal zenith
else it's all just whatever
lofty depot
Starfall would be stealing funnel
proper sinew
Another example. We pull a diver pack into swampface for mage and i dont dot the...
Does not dotting them allow them to live for a second surge use? if so you can think about it
scenic mist
Another example. We pull a diver pack into swampface for mage and i dont dot the...
on swampface you should even starfall, i recon that's what mk did on TGP
craggy sonnet
Cuz we do 3 and I mostly aoe at least beginning of the pack coming in
So that dots stick
lofty depot
If the mage complains about a dot, tell them to seek help, they're not good
craggy sonnet
And they are also kinda scary
proper sinew
If they die in a surge use anyway, it never mattered
craggy sonnet
And we pull stuff in after
junior stirrup
He isnt complaining 😄
lofty depot
Ok then, dot them
junior stirrup
My overall has been lower than i would like and theres many factors of course
But i think im being too ethical
If that makes sense
lofty depot
Dotting the random mobs is likely not one of them
Ur probably caring too much about the mage and surging
junior stirrup
Depends because on a 16 pug random group i am doing newrly 7m overwll and on our 19 im doing 4.4
Ahahah
Ofc many mistakes
But thats with funnel route
But i think dotting is the way to go by the sounds of it
lofty depot
That also assumes ur better than the pugs and know the routes better
junior stirrup
Its not huge dmg on the funnel mobs anyway i suppose
lofty depot
The reason ur overall is low isnt because ur not dotting what u have considered "funnel" adds
junior stirrup
I know
But if it helps my st
And doesnt troll the group
Then its worth doing i guess
lofty depot
Ur talking a difference of likely less than 1-2%
junior stirrup
The overall is mostly route and fails
jade flume
Dot all, mages are noobers
junior stirrup
Fair enough 😄
lofty depot
As I said, ur likely not starfalling when u should
Go watch a vid of dwilkz or krona
junior stirrup
Our aim is kinda to have mobs alive on bosses for as long as possible and for swampface for example we basically do
scenic mist
side question : if no starfall involved, what is the max count target you should keep dots on for funnel, before the constant redotting is just a dps loss ?
any numbers ?
junior stirrup
I was watching dwilkz and he does dot always and surges
Thats what got me thinking
lofty depot
side question : if no starfall involved, what is the max count target you should...
Go remove the Starfall line in the apl and find out
jade flume
I would just copy dwilkz then
scenic mist
Go remove the Starfall line in the apl and find out
i aint that guy, trust me
lofty depot
Its likely all and no overcap
junior stirrup
Yea
lofty depot
i aint that guy, trust me
Is easy buddy
scenic mist
Is easy buddy
what target count would you sim for ? as the apl isnt designed for anything other than 1 or mdt
lofty depot
Do u think we are heckin doctors or sth
Well ur in the psych ward enough, I didn't know u were a patient
scenic mist
you'd just have me cook a funnel route and look at what the sim does on the boss ?
lofty depot
what target count would you sim for ? as the apl isnt designed for anything othe...
Well that's not true
U can cook at 10 is fine
leaden birch
mugzee down
royal zenith
it's not designed for mdt :3
leaden birch
lofty depot
mugzee down
Gj buddy
scenic mist
it's not designed for mdt :3
point stronger
leaden birch
time to fuck up gally
jade flume
Gally is a bitch
scenic mist
don't you think you understand what the apl does :3
lofty depot
U still got like 6% more power to go
royal zenith
https://discord.com/channels/114145367322394624/121880895211831302/1376573519927...
this confirms what I'm saying?
scenic mist
sure
royal zenith
the APL is written and you use a fightstyle that works best with the APL
not the other way around
?
eager raft
don't you think you understand what the apl does :3
:3
royal zenith
:3
eager raft
:3
lofty depot
sure
The person he was talking to simmed 10t 1m and wondered why double on use trinket was better
No shot u linked that think it helped ur argument
royal zenith
locking in some candles
lucid olive
maybe we'll reach nearly 2k this tier
That's gotta be the highest it's been since like Sylvanas right?
And idk if that tier even counts since it lasted 9 months
royal zenith
yeah I think so
1.6k for nerubar
which was a rough tier
ruff...
oh what the hell, fyrakk 839 kills
lucid olive
At least the scaling damage buff did what they said they wanted it to
lucid olive
Tindral farmed guilds long into the tier
jade flume
Amirdrassil was chill
lucid olive
Also didn't last that long since season 4 started
royal zenith
nvm, wrong amidrassil
lofty depot
Tswift be killing guilds dood
lucid olive
Nerubar would probably be more too if Silken Court wasn't as choreography heavy
royal zenith
(the other was fated, fake tier)
lofty depot
Jailor wasn't a lot?
royal zenith
think 2k or a bit more is good for the game
lucid olive
Was Fyrakk really 1.9k guilds during the season or is that including season 4 kills
lucid olive
A lot of people went to pug regular mythic fyrakk for mount during season 4
lucid olive
Yeah wowprog has kills from August too and it lists 1450 fyrakk kills
And season 4 launched april
Kill 1190 or something was April 22nd on wowprog
So around 1250-1300 then realistically?
lucid olive
And they've nerfed the bosses less as well I think
But might be making that up, Ansurek got nerfed pretty heavily before HoF closed
pseudo merlin
I simmed 40s Lust sim and haste had 0 value
do 20s, it's more realistic
pulls never last 40 seconds in high keys like +7s
tawny phoenix
Hey guys, i need some help. I think my dmg is sucking really hard, dont know how the fuck im doing the same % with starfall and starfire (i play with 200ms, dont know if that affects my starfalls at all)
pseudo merlin
Hey guys, i need some help. I think my dmg is sucking really hard, dont know how...
Details breakdowns are hardly ever workable information. Provide a log if you can.
tawny phoenix
Details breakdowns are hardly ever workable information. Provide a log if you ca...
Do i need an addon to track logs or something?
pseudo merlin
Do i need an addon to track logs or something?
there's a chance someone you ran a key with has logged one of your runs too, find your profile on warcraftlogs and see if any keys have logs
tawny phoenix
Omw
tawny phoenix
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/help/start
I think that dungeon was pretty good, but its not always the same
pseudo merlin
Yup that aughta do it
Now we just need someone who knows wtf they're talking about (not me) to have a look at it
pseudo merlin
you're still running a lesser helm enchant btw
pseudo merlin
I wont argue with that
tawny phoenix
Warcraft logs only works with overwolf?
lucid olive
No
pseudo merlin
Idk, I have overwolf because of curseforge
I hate that bloatware
Can't ahve curseforge without it atleast
lucid olive
You can get curseforge without overwolf no?
sly jewel
Yeah
pseudo merlin
Anyway check the mans log Gamz
pseudo merlin
Seems like quite a bit of wasted ASP and a bunch of wasted FOEs but that's all I got
lucid olive
Didn't use WoE in opener
pseudo merlin
a lot of cancelled casts
lucid olive
But unsure if he used it to get insta Starfires for movement, can't really tell from a log on that
1:46 he sent 4 Wraths for no reason
pseudo merlin
also no way you only used 2 wild charges in the whole key
wild charge is a dps cd
Does analyzer work for m+`?
tawny phoenix
also no way you only used 2 wild charges in the whole key
Dunno didnt need
pseudo merlin
That's possible ofc
tawny phoenix
1:46 he sent 4 Wraths for no reason
Yeah thats lag problem, but im trying to improve that
pseudo merlin
But it often beats natty movement
tawny phoenix
Im always sending more wraths
weary berry
lucid olive
Like avoid this
weary berry
the log u asked for
lucid olive
I don't remember asking for a log but I can look
lucid olive
Sure
lucid olive
You used 11 Moonfires in opener surely that pull isn't 22 mobs or
weary berry
im uploading vods rn
floodgate?
its like 16 mobs i think
probs need to work on dotting efficiently
lucid olive
Don't really need to spend Starfall between dots either just dot up and enter your cooldowns quicker tbh
weary berry
ah the rationale there was to not overcap ap
weary berry
Don't really need to spend Starfall between dots either just dot up and enter yo...
but i assume it's better dps wise to do this?
lucid olive
On like prolonged AOE sure but keys aren't really that
weary berry
how long the pack gotta live for prolonged aoe
light dew
Why is it you gotta press fury of elune before incarn? Sorry for side tracking
lofty depot
Why is it you gotta press fury of elune before incarn? Sorry for side tracking
Gcd in incarn is more important on other things
lucid olive
how long the pack gotta live for prolonged aoe
Don't think you see any high key doers really spending Starfall while they're dotting mobs, spreading dots is more valuable even if you overcap
tawny phoenix
Cant find warcraft logs in standalone version 
light dew
Gcd in incarn is more important on other things
Ah yeah of course that makes sense! Thanks 👍
lucid olive
Cant find warcraft logs in standalone version <:71925huhcat:1320737738210672761>
Warcraftlogs Uploader at the bottom of the page
scenic mist
Ah yeah of course that makes sense! Thanks 👍
same reason you tree before CA in kotg btw
lucid olive
Also probably same reason why treants as first GCD in Eclipse isn't a noticeable gain in sims even though you get the buff with full boat value
weary berry
Don't think you see any high key doers really spending Starfall while they're do...
Checks out
tawny phoenix
So for example, in a big pull with every mob already dotted, incarn up and the tank keeps pulling after a few secs should i dot every new mobs or just fuck it at keep starfire/starfall? (with incarn still going)
drifting nova
same reason you tree before CA in kotg btw
to think I got flamed for saying exactly that smh
lucid olive
Dot every new mob and say slurs to the tank
weary berry
scenic mist
Also probably same reason why treants as first GCD in Eclipse isn't a noticeable...
noticeable gain vs what ? send on cd even on an ending eclipse ?
lucid olive
noticeable gain vs what ? send on cd even on an ending eclipse ?
Ye
The APL currently doesnt really care about it
And haven't been able to make it a real gain to FoN on a fresh Eclipse
light dew
same reason you tree before CA in kotg btw
Ah yeah that makes sense too!
lucid olive
Guess it's because the BOAT global being better spent on Starsurge or something
scenic mist
to think I got flamed for saying exactly that smh
by whom ?
drifting nova
by big druid
scenic mist
what was his rational ?
light dew
I guess I’m supposed to hold warrior of elune for incarn too
Man I have been acting stupid in keys XD
Thanks for the help
scenic mist
I guess I’m supposed to hold warrior of elune for incarn too
send on cd but hold a lil' bit if close to incarn
light dew
send on cd but hold a lil' bit if close to incarn
Yessir thank you
meager storm
Guess it's because the BOAT global being better spent on Starsurge or something
It just always sunfires before trees prob not worth wasting a gcd on sunfire during boat
weary berry
vod https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3QUxTgBOPo
@/gamz if you have a sec would love some more feedback
meager storm
Maybe if u make it sunfire at the end of the previous eclipse before trees on the new eclipse it could be a gain
scenic mist
Maybe if u make it sunfire at the end of the previous eclipse before trees on th...
i do this
pseudo merlin
Don't think you see any high key doers really spending Starfall while they're do...
also goes into eclipse in combat before CA
Explain that mister "expert"
🫵
weary berry
is it for the free FoE on next eclipse
pseudo merlin
That's pretty much the only reason, but afaik the value of keeping dreamstate is higher
That's why it's good value to do that stuff out of combat
you get to have both
But not once you're already in combat
craggy sonnet
Dot every new mob and say slurs to the tank
Oh hey, nice that's what I do
zealous acorn
for m+ should you use bis with that second incarn or still just hold incarn for hoc and use bis when it's a big pull?
ancient adder
"expert"
round field
for m+ should you use bis with that second incarn or still just hold incarn for ...
If ur pressing incarn and hoc is up use that
If ur pressing incarn and hoc isnt up use bis
dry compass
Do u even play the game
Pretty sure half the coloured names in this discord don't play the game anymore
ancient adder
tawny phoenix
ancient adder
the bank moniker is good luck
scenic mist
boss dmg parse > dmg parse
came here to see that, got my respect chief
ancient adder
ancient adder
also 677
ancient adder
nice 
dry compass
When the single target pure mechanic performance boss is your lowest parse 🧐
scenic mist
washed tho
boss dmg parse > dmg parse
came here to see that, got my respect chief
round field
When the single target pure mechanic performance boss is your lowest parse 🧐
didnt prog it
and whenever i get a good pull i die
dry compass
Also why the fuck is your weapon 675
scenic mist
When the single target pure mechanic performance boss is your lowest parse 🧐
also the one fight where bad timed mech can ruin you
dry compass
also the one fight where bad timed mech can ruin you
Oh trust me I know
ancient adder
dry compass
Don't think I've done a mine soak all tier that didn't require leaving boss range
calm ice
Not at pc so can't test it. But would this macro work? Only Fury of elune is on global right?
/use 13
/cast Fury of Elune
/cast Incarnation: Chosen of Elune
/use Tempered Potion
/cast [@player] Nature's Vigil
lucid olive
Yes it works
scenic mist
Yes it works
does /use Tempered Potion really works nowourdays ?
dry compass
That should work but at least 3 of those things should have their own button
round field
does /use Tempered Potion really works nowourdays ?
why wouldnt it?
scenic mist
Not at pc so can't test it. But would this macro work? Only Fury of elune is on ...
NV doesnt need a [@target]
lucid olive
But Nature's Vigil does not need to be @player and you can just put [@cursor] Celestial Alignment instead of Incarnation
scenic mist
why wouldnt it?
didnt work when i tried to make a fleeting/non fleeting macro
had to use item id
lucid olive
Macroing CA uses both CA and Incarn
ancient adder
just put fleeting and reg in the same macro
lucid olive
Don't see why it wouldn't work but I also don't macro pot
ancient adder
so youre never out
lucid olive
There's some macro going around with all the item IDs for the different types and qualities of tempered pots
scenic mist
just put fleeting and reg in the same macro
yeah i use this macro
/use item:212971
/use item:212265
/use item:212970
/use item:212264
/use item:212969
/use item:212263
it's my pot bind
calm ice
Aight, thanks for all the responses guys. It is much appreciated
lofty depot
u mean my pot bind
scenic mist
*u mean my pot bind*
it's my bind
it's your science
lofty depot
🤝
lucid olive
Not at pc so can't test it. But would this macro work? Only Fury of elune is on ...
You also don't really want to have FoE macrod into your CA since you generally don't want to use them on the same global
calm ice
You also don't really want to have FoE macrod into your CA since you generally d...
I'm new to boomkin, I thought you just had to use FoE before CA. Whats the reasoning behind this?
lucid olive
It just always sunfires before trees prob not worth wasting a gcd on sunfire dur...
.. it doesn't
pseudo merlin
never trust green names
scenic mist
I'm new to boomkin, I thought you just had to use FoE before CA. Whats the reaso...
gcds inside CA are scarce ressources, FoE doesnt make the cut
lucid olive
<https://youtu.be/Fizu0mA72pY?t=616>
<https://youtu.be/Fizu0mA72pY?t=141>
<https...
Minigamers smh
scenic mist
I'm new to boomkin, I thought you just had to use FoE before CA. Whats the reaso...
and if this macro is for M+ (which i assume) you can also add a /cast [@replaceThisWithHealerPseudo] Innervate
calm ice
gcds inside CA are scarce ressources, FoE doesnt make the cut
So essentially you wanna FoE and as soon as that global ends CA?
scenic mist
So essentially you wanna FoE and as soon as that global ends CA?
yes
lucid olive
Yes
calm ice
Thanks a lot, very appreciated feedback
lucid olive
And then Starsurge/Starfall as your first global
pseudo merlin
though everyone does it the same global
calm ice
Aye
pseudo merlin
sussy
lucid olive
FoE doesn't do a lot of damage by itself and is more of a damage activator
The difference is not that big though
lucid olive
That's pretty much the only reason, but afaik the value of keeping dreamstate is...
Depends on size of pull I think
More mobs is more Boundless value
But it's so negligible of a difference it doesn't matter one way or the other really
Everything around like entering Eclipse or not and the value of Dreamstate vs Firmament is very exaggerated in general
The "wait for Eclipse to end before pressing Incarn" thing is leftover from season 1 where Harmony of the Heavens was bugged
ancient adder
though everyone does it the same global
theres the correct way (.05% dps) and the lazy way
luckily the lazy way isnt that bad
good for alts and new ppl
beter than 1 button
calm ice
I have another question and feel free to ignore as you have already been of great help.
In e.g. DFC first pull would you dot most of the mobs up before blasting or would you just dot some and when the mobs are grouped start blasting? I can't really dot up while the tank is pulling as I pull aggro
ancient adder
lazy way is OBR
youre not playing the game at that point
lucid olive
Don't Moonfire the shitter mobs
And if Moonfire rips you aggro on a bigger mob then Shadowmeld or
scenic mist
I have another question and feel free to ignore as you have already been of grea...
moonfire big guys, then moonfire w/e you can until everything is stacked, then sunfire foe incarn blast
scenic mist
And if Moonfire rips you aggro on a bigger mob then Shadowmeld or
"or consequences"
lucid olive
dry compass
Sad tazdingo noises
pseudo merlin
I'm never touching OBR
I'm too fucking scared that my performance will go up
You can't ever close that door once you open it
I rather just keep pretending that I know what I'm doing and perfecting my gaslighting skills for when people call me out
scenic mist
I'm never touching OBR
i just went and tryed cause i talked about it
it sends voke like on cd, regardles of being in an eclipse for the whole duration
sends trees outside eclipse
hard to watch
pseudo merlin
pretends that that is not what I'm doing
pseudo merlin
oh yeah that's crazy!
proud jay
I know everyone has been answering questions on dotting and when you blast. Sorry if this was explained. But say it’s a 15 mob pull. You dot everything and pop FoE and CD’s. Are you letting loose 3 starfires for the burst before you cast any starfalls? Or would you dot, enter eclipse, and blow AP and then roll cooldowns? I’m at work and have been trying to pay attention lol
As of now I dot everything and have been casting starfalls in between and I’ll use it between CS’s and basically every two starfires I’m pressing a starfalls. Most pulls the damage is great. But there are a few pulls in the 10’s I do that feel bad
pseudo merlin
that would lead to insane ASP overcapping, don't overcap other than maybe during the dotting phase
jade flume
After u dot everything you foe>cds>starfalls to spend all ap and use starfire to build ap when u cant cast starfalls
For warrior of elune starfires, use it for the starfires that arent buffed by dreamstate buff
so if u enter the pack with 2 dreamstate stacks, you will cast 2 starfires and after those 2 you would use warrior of elune to have instant cast for next 3
you wont use starfires instantly tho, just use them when u need ap, so after spending on starfalls
pseudo merlin
On the super large pulls you might be overcapping quite a bit, I'm not sure if the jury is out on whether or not you ignore ASP And just keep dotting so you can go into cds faster or spend 1-2 gcds on SF beforehand, between dots
proud jay
Dope! Thanks for all of the help. That’s been the only thing really beating me up
lofty depot
As of now I dot everything and have been casting starfalls in between and I’ll u...
10s are a different metric cuz shit dies in 10 seconds. So justifying not starfalling on some packs might be a thing.
But we don't justify spell usage based on packs that die in 10 seconds
The usual take is to Starfall to not overcap asp
proud jay
Okay thank you. I’m at 662 and the group just got together so we are rocking 7-10’s and learning the dungeons and what not. Thanks for all the advice
manic monolith
Hi Arctic
cloud plover
we're climbing up in the world, im getting invited to 12s... is this how meta spec feels..
calm ibex
Yup!
lofty depot
we're climbing up in the world, im getting invited to 12s... is this how meta sp...
^^
U can be meta and get no where, don't worry
calm ibex
Let her be positive for now!
cloud plover
im just gearing im not doing anything higher than 12s
and getting invs to 12s is rare for most other specs i play
(unless theyre already overgeared and overscored)
hollow mist
we're climbing up in the world, im getting invited to 12s... is this how meta sp...
im proud of you puppy
calm ibex
You’re gaming
cloud plover
im proud of you puppy
ty
spice hedge
are charged bolts bugged on mythic mugzee?
calm ibex
It just hits the 99% reduction targets
spice hedge
is it worth to still play it? or better to just run the other
leaden birch
is raidbots updated for tmrws changes with the belt?
calm ibex
is it worth to still play it? or better to just run the other
till Tuesday
spice hedge
till Tuesday
so charged bolts until tomorrow worth? sorry my reading comprehension is in the pits right now lol
calm ibex
Worth till Tuesday yes
lofty depot
that's for sure me
Click the forward dork
pseudo merlin
im too old for all this technology
lucid olive
so charged bolts until tomorrow worth? sorry my reading comprehension is in th...
Not on Mug'Zee no
Id just swap to haste one for Mugzee
plush obsidian
i just got kicked from a 16 priory for using beam on first pull, did i use it too early or something? all tank said was 'dont use beam' when i msged him lol
quiet drift
prolly beamed his Silence sigil
and he got upset
or idk maybe he wanted chain
very vague
Only he knows
digital berry
Vdh throwing a tantrum as per usual
plush obsidian
cloud plover
Not on Mug'Zee no
mr gamzee what use for m+
wowhedge said charge bolts both content but that obv changes next week there too
scarlet tapir
i just got kicked from a 16 priory for using beam on first pull, did i use it to...
Just throw beam whenever a vdh throws a chain sigil
If they say anything u just say thats how everyone does it
Smile
valid coyote
whats the API for sim guys ?
maiden pasture
whats the API for sim guys ?
you're gonna have to rephrase ur question
valid coyote
APL xD
lucid olive
It's linked at the bottom of the Compendium
valid coyote
is this correct ?
lucid olive
Yes
maiden pasture
yeah
valid coyote
tyvm
lucid olive
If you have any specific questions about the APL you should DM @lofty depot about it I heard he loves it
valid coyote
im new to balance and trying to sim items, APL is the go to i guess
lucid olive
Depends what you're trying to do
Usually you just slam the regular top gear sim and don't think about the APL much
cloud plover
Also check pins
pin is st only nice fake
quiet drift
<a:Cry:756795524937547816>
lofty depot
im new to balance and trying to sim items, APL is the go to i guess
Why do u think u need to change the apl
lucid olive
pin is st only nice fake
It doesn't change
cloud plover
It doesn't change
gg
cloud plover
I asked mr robot it had no belt Sims :(
cloud plover
are u an amr user too..
tawdry oak
Will there be balance buffs in next season
lofty depot
googles what amr means
tawdry oak
Icy veins article showing us down in the poopoo section
cloud plover
*googles what amr means*
oh so u didn't even get the meme
lofty depot
Will there be balance buffs in next season
Go to x and @ion, he could answer aurely
cloud plover
unlucky me
tawdry oak
I feel like cos we are so good in m+ we are destined to be poopoo in raid ?
cloud plover
I feel like cos we are so good in m+ we are destined to be poopoo in raid ?
I feel like ur saying things that don't work out
tawdry oak
Possibly
lofty depot
oh so u didn't even get the meme
U an electrician
cloud plover
U an electrician
try with the context I gave above of "Asking Mr Robot" (AMR)
lofty depot
I feel like cos we are so good in m+ we are destined to be poopoo in raid ?
I mean end of the tier every class is within like 5-10% of each other like it doesn't matter
lofty depot
try with the context I gave above of "Asking Mr Robot" (AMR)
U mean ask Jeeves?
cloud plover
isn't boomie like solid middle class
lofty depot
It's been bottom third for a while
cloud plover
simc is hard sandbagging cuz it hasn't been updated since cyrce got nerfed but with everything it's probably decent ish
tawdry oak
lofty depot
Blud links ice veins
cloud plover
Blud links ice veins
to be fair their first comment was about icy veins
shrewd pivot
Blud links ice veins
it could have been noxxic
cloud plover
Icy veins article showing us down in the poopoo section
this one
cloud plover
could have been mmochampion
tawdry oak
It's just showing data
lofty depot
Ur taking a random person's word for how good or bad a class is that they don't play
80% of the time tettles is wrong and he plays the class
tawdry oak
It's legit just highlight logs
lofty depot
this is a joke for comedic reasons
cloud plover
Ur taking a random person's word for how good or bad a class is that they don't ...
well they're trying to trust the wclogs charts that the iv post posted
which isn't much better but still
tawdry oak
I'm not saying its bad I'm asking
Does the class being at the bottom for last, 2-3 months warrant a buffing
lofty depot
No
cloud plover
it had its time to shine and it was buffed enough to be considered fine
lofty depot
It's within margin of other classes
cloud plover
most work will go into next patch now rather than trying to balance fix the remainder of season
lofty depot
There will always be a spec at the bottom
lofty depot
This patch has nothing to do with next patch
sullen stone
we dont have a fortune teller as far as im aware
lofty depot
Tier sets change and boss styles change
cloud plover
next patch nobody knows anything about but balance sounds fucking cool with the tier sets
lofty depot
Won't know if it needs buffed til later
cloud plover
I believe the balance druid death charts will fucking skyrocket again
with venthyr 2.0
lofty depot
Even raid testing is a shit style of how it works. And we're always at the top of that shit cuz boomy ptr testers play optimally instead of sandbagging
cloud plover
surprise me when it drops
lofty depot
We got 4% mag dam Dr or w.e.
cloud plover
massive
quiet drift
What is Venthyr 2.0
cloud plover
What is Venthyr 2.0
kotg Tierset makes u deal more dmg based on how much dmg u did during a small window
aka nobody will move and die to do max dps
lofty depot
Just sac me
cloud plover
venthyr 2.0
quiet drift
rich jewel
plush prairie
Does anyone know how to read logs properly? I'm trying to see how many people died during our 25 pulls that was not a wipe basically but dunno how to filter it for that
plush prairie
it shows like this stuff tho
crimson spade
you can look at single pulls, or all pulls
plush prairie
like I want a list of how many people died total in the pulls but it's just messy
the bottom has a % avg deaths I guess
kind of useful I suppose
crimson spade
i dont think you can get a "total" acrossed all wipes, but you can just do the math and add them up
plush prairie
do the math
cloud plover
Does anyone know how to read logs properly? I'm trying to see how many people di...
if you want not a wipe you could filter deaths after x deaths
crimson spade
but yeah, the avg is good for figuring out whos wiping early... can kinda narrow down from there to trouble spots
plush prairie
plush prairie
if you want not a wipe you could filter deaths after x deaths
I enter the number in the box but it does nothing, idk if I need to be on website instead of the app
plush prairie
but yeah, the avg is good for figuring out whos wiping early... can kinda narrow...
Yeah looking ati t now
lofty depot
I enter the number in the box but it does nothing, idk if I need to be on websit...
Press enter
Idk I do on site idk if app is shit
wanton socket
is the control of the dream still bugged?
cunning bronze
Has the timewalking bugg to get the mount first week been fixed?
round field
is the control of the dream still bugged?
Yes
snow elbow
A question! In the last Rook boss, why do the boomies enter and exit the floor area?
calm ibex
What
eager raft
manic monolith
its 5 o'clock somewhere
proven swallow
Has the timewalking bugg to get the mount first week been fixed?
What bug?
exotic perch
it will give you the weekly credit if someone in the party hits 4 for the first time
like the buff
pseudo merlin
do I press wrath or attack?
fossil hemlock
Well you're out of mana so pressing wrath won't do much
pseudo merlin
hmm good point
drifting nova
do I press wrath or attack?
holy classic
pseudo merlin
MOONFIRE LETS GO
neon whale
is anyone around to look at my logs
pseudo merlin
mahogany
neon whale
Anyways both of these kills I know that since we are holding dps on both kills it wont help the case but i think it shouldn’t be this bad. just wondering what i am missing. If anyone have time that’d be great thanks
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/malganis/furrypoopoo?boss=3015
manic monolith
Anyways both of these kills I know that since we are holding dps on both kills i...
EZ change your name
= Higher parses
neon whale
but it’s a great name
manic monolith
😂
pseudo merlin
that guy really likes minigames
teal sphinx
vital hound
brother your grapes have gone off
drifting nova
holy this rotato assistant is big
dense steeple
Anyways both of these kills I know that since we are holding dps on both kills i...
dont hold damage
ez
maiden pasture
Anyways both of these kills I know that since we are holding dps on both kills i...
dont send third trees as if its normal CD usage
golden belfry
A question! In the last Rook boss, why do the boomies enter and exit the floor a...
Can proc an instant cast starfire
Same on gigazap in FG and 1st boss of meadery
Probably same on rixxa in ML too and other bosses/mobs/ground effects elsewhere
spice roost
do u guys think the new cloak in 11.2 helps much with rot for bamkin
or survivability in general; for them
lofty depot
much like WHI, ull get the shield when u least need it
spice roost
whi has saved me many times
spice roost
but we get both right so w
delicate perch
isn't the cape haste crit 
spice roost
oh ok
dense steeple
this guy thought we got THREE powers from the cape lmao
earnest gorge
Howdy
lofty depot
isn't the cape haste crit <:laff:1343453998283489321>
theres some tailor thing u put on it
cant remember what its called
delicate perch
can crafting be done with already
calm ibex
its just a gem basically
jaunty fjord
Where is cape from?
potent cargo
delicate perch
secret
calm ibex
you have to get hall of fame AND top .1% in M+ to get it
hollow mist
no cape for me gg
cloud plover
no cape for me gg
heroes don't wear capes
hollow mist
heroes don't wear capes
love u puppy hope you have a good day sweetheart
calm ibex
delicate perch
+ stat
can't wait for the X player had this stat on cloak??? isn't X stat better?????????
links 250 target 13 second sim
vital hound
*links 250 target 13 second sim*
what even is the target cap
delicate perch
what even is the target cap
10 bosses 
so unrealistic I fight 200 bosses
mortal imp
how is the bestinslots bis for boomie when it's agi/str
delicate perch
great question
round field
how is the bestinslots bis for boomie when it's agi/str
Take a second
And read what the item does
mortal imp
And read what the item does
yeah i did but surely we need main stat
delicate perch
yeah i did but surely we need main stat
keep reading
mortal imp
like the secondary is amazing but no main stat???
mortal imp
ah
vital hound
read it again big fella
mortal imp
alright well its pretty unclear immediately from the dinar window
mortal imp
i didnt say it was :D
delicate perch
I heard gamz decided that it should be like that tbh
mortal imp
what secondary
the secondary stats...
delicate perch
I am not getting baited
dire osprey
surely
delicate perch
it procs them sure but it has none on it
mortal imp
ight man cool
vital hound
its monday for you dingus khan
quiet drift
Cope
vale pebble
Cope
royal zenith
hard Cope
oak condor
Guys I can't decide what will be my last dinar item , house of card , mug zee or myth jastor sim nearly the same , can someone help me to choose ? 😦
sudden flame
faint light
Guys I can't decide what will be my last dinar item , house of card , mug zee or...
wtf are your first items if you don't have those 3?
delicate perch
2x bis because the first one was agi
round field
you must have misclicked or something
delicate perch
round field
stop
delicate perch
oak condor
wtf are your first items if you don't have those 3?
Heroic jastor because all my guild takes it and best in slot myth
delicate perch
somehow it was worse????
round field
Heroic jastor because all my guild takes it and best in slot myth
why would you pick hc jastor when you were killing gally a week later?
oak condor
why would you pick hc jastor when you were killing gally a week later?
7week later that's why we opted for take all jastor
violet hinge
isn't it way too late in the season to actually care
round field
7week later that's why we opted for take all jastor
i think ur guild
is
yeah im not allowed to say it here
round field
was gonna say something more rude but yes
violet hinge
regarded
vital hound
