balance

[weary berry]

why does my ap skyrocket

[round field]

Wrath starfire dots mushrooms

[royal zenith]

[round field]

Tier set

Press cd pop shroom gain ap

[weary berry]

i see

i meant auto gain

[pseudo merlin]

works in spellbook too

[weary berry]

tanks

[scenic mist]

did you talent into nature's balance ?

[weary berry]

nah its wild mushroom

probs

[pseudo merlin]

probably

[quiet drift]

gaming

[fiery harness]

I couldn't time 4 last week lmao

[pseudo merlin]

ye cuz 4 is 10 times harder than 12

2-11s are nightmare fuel

[fiery harness]

it was crazy. My 6 dropped all the way to 2

[pseudo merlin]

Yeah I believe you 😂

It's crazy out there, I almost started questioning my sanity when I was there 2 weeks ago

[fiery harness]

I was part of the problem tho

Every single thing could kill me

[pseudo merlin]

yeah been there too

[lost spade]

how are the boomie changes on ptr?

[vital hound]

@lucid olive POINT MADE

[round field]

What boomie changes

[pseudo merlin]

we got 3% avoidance

[round field]

There was also a solar beam change

[pseudo merlin]

is it bigger?

[teal minnow]

Highlight of my season so far was not timing a +2

Like.... yeah, not even beginning of season, we are talking begin of turbo charge and these were people's mains

[round field]

no

[pseudo merlin]

it's over..

[pseudo merlin]

Usually the further you get towards the end of the season the worse low keys become tbh

you gotta log all your alts and spam below 12 keys in the first 2 months so you don't have to experience that shit afterwards

2-11 I was succesfully timing like 1 in 5 keys 2 weeks ago, I'm doing 14s now on that same alt (673) and timing more than half

[teal minnow]

Nah, im not about that life, I want the true reddit post pug experience. If someone has a comment about them being a 2k/3k main, I insta apply because its either gonna be the best run ever or the best clown fiesta

[pseudo merlin]

Either way it will be an experience for sure

[teal minnow]

Exactly

[potent finch]

question all: I am a tank who is looking to dps. I only have a agi weapon. How much dps am I losing? I went to the training dummys and on aoe I was hitting high 2M+

[teal minnow]

Esp when its one of those keys where it's like "I literally can't tell anyone about this as noone will believe me"

[teal minnow]

A lot, like, if you have agi weapon then feral with balance loot spec until a weapon drops or craft one?

[potent finch]

Yeah Ill craft one...just wast sure if it was a huge difference or not

Thank ya

[teal minnow]

Yeah its a noticeable difference

[pseudo merlin]

I gotta do that shit again on my alts?

zzzz

[round field]

of course

[shy void]

it's just one delve, one quest, and the belt "gem" unlocks are shared accountwide

typical WoW player one-content-type andy

[pseudo merlin]

Yup. My one type of content is good content.

I prefer the good content in this game.

[shy void]

indeed indeed

well we all have our likes n dislikes

certainly would be nice if the disc belt quest stuff could be skipped on alts...

i wonder if alts have to do more delves to increase the belt ilvl every week

[pseudo merlin]

I'd say yes if I had to assume

[shy void]

suffer well, travelers...

[signal temple]

Tier 1 Delves are

I just walked through spamming Sunfire and spending AP on Starfall

[pseudo merlin]

visions of nzoth were good content, they brought them back without changing anything and it's still good content

idk how they failed on delves when that already existed

[calm ibex]

I don’t think it failed there’s just no end game to it

But there are players who enjoy running them

[glossy jungle]

I love delves

[pseudo merlin]

islands were better than delves

there, I said it

[calm ibex]

I mean that’s just objectively wrong

From someone who did probably around 10k islands

[pseudo merlin]

objectively?

[calm ibex]

Yeah

I mean it’s opinion

But I hold the opinion that your opinion is wrong

[pseudo merlin]

theyre literally the exact same thing?

[exotic perch]

Nah islands were just fill bar

[calm ibex]

Yeah

[exotic perch]

Delves have stories and objectives that change

It's essentially a dungeon lite

[pseudo merlin]

it's been a while. Didn't island also just have some random annoying objective to deal with in addition to murdering everything in it?

I don't see how that's fundamentally different from a delve

[exotic perch]

Nah those are not required they just fill the bar

[pseudo merlin]

yeah so you have a whole bunch of shit and you can choose what you want to do to finish

so it's better than a delve

but fundamentally the same thing

[exotic perch]

Islands you literally loot azerite, mine azerite or kill things for azerite

[pseudo merlin]

Like where is the exploration and puzzle solving that was supposed to be in there

[exotic perch]

Then you find a dude trapped grab an item 10 yards away click on him and get azerite

That's it to islands

[pseudo merlin]

And a delve is the same thing?

You just don't loot any azerite

[exotic perch]

No lol

[pseudo merlin]

They removed the need to loot the azerite

[exotic perch]

Go do some delves lol, its literally a dungeon with bosses and trash and narrative objectives

[lethal imp]

Delves have at least basic mechanics like swirlies, charging mobs, etc…

That’s an upgrade on islands

[lucid olive]

polish a turd

it's still a turd

[lethal imp]

Idk if they get delves into a state where it feels like you are playing a dungeon at least a bit ill be happy and I think they’re close

The main problem is that you have to care about kiting and white hits as a dps

If they solve that issue, I think they’ll be pretty reasonable

[fervent merlin]

If u want dungeon go dungeon no?

[pseudo merlin]

Delves on my mage felt like an absolute cancerous nightmare

[lethal imp]

Single player, lower stakes, etc…

[pseudo merlin]

But on ret it was just breezing, nog a big deal

[lucid olive]

yeah delves shouldn't be made to play like dungeons

[fervent merlin]

But that’s the opposite of a dungeon

[pseudo merlin]

it was legit 1 white hit and youre dead

[fervent merlin]

Dungeons are fun cause of the group size , high stakes

[lethal imp]

Also from my pov their main point is to prepare new players for dungeons. I don’t care about delves for me specifically. But in terms of their impact on the game as a whole

[pseudo merlin]

Like all my complaints disappeared when I did delves in a full group

[lucid olive]

delves are also fun, but if you don't enjoy them then don't do them idk

[pseudo merlin]

Which is when it was just a badly designed slow dungeon

But atleast not a pain in the ass

[fervent merlin]

They got normal dungeons then hero that myth

[pseudo merlin]

Surely that can't be the design goal

[lucid olive]

that's not what they're meant to be

[lethal imp]

Like I think if you learn 60% of what you should be doing in a +2 from delving it will be a success

[fervent merlin]

You learn nothing about the dungeon pool in a delve my guy

[lethal imp]

There’s a lot of transferable knowledge that isn’t specific to dungeons

For a new player

[pseudo merlin]

They should just mandate a succesful mage tower completion for people before they're allowed to do m+

[lucid olive]

well it's the same game

[pseudo merlin]

that would solve all problems

[lucid olive]

but you could say that about all content

[fervent merlin]

Mage tower was dog too

[pseudo merlin]

Magetower really forces you to play your spec to the absolute fullest

its amazing for forcing you to learn

[lucid olive]

mage tower is still good

[fervent merlin]

Cope

[lucid olive]

i did the book mount achievement at the end of season 1

[fervent merlin]

Didn’t teach me how to time a 20 priory so not good

[lethal imp]

Like just learning the basic visual language of wow like “you really need to kick this mob casting a slow spell with a lot of glowy effects” or “you need to pre position for this mob who’s going to spam gigantic swirlies” goes a long way

[fervent merlin]

U do this in heroic dung

And normal dung

[lucid olive]

Playing arena is just a way to teach you how to do cc rotation in high keys

[fervent merlin]

Then u touch m0 to see new boss mechanics

[lethal imp]

No one does that in heroic dung because your tank can solo it and all mistakes do 10% of your hp

[fervent merlin]

Xd blame the delve

[lucid olive]

If your take on different forms of content is how valuable they are in helping you start doing the harder content you need to zoom out

[lethal imp]

Most players have no idea when they’ve made a mistake in a heroic dung because it’s so noisy

[round field]

lmao

[lethal imp]

It’s a horrible learning environment

[fervent merlin]

Most players probably cap out at heroic dungeons

[lucid olive]

Majority of players don't give a shit about learning and just want to have fun

[fervent merlin]

I’ve been in CE guilds where people don’t know what they’re doing

[lethal imp]

From the perspective of a new player “we failed to kick the gigantic kickable aoe” and “unavoidable healer mechanic” look identical

[pseudo merlin]

so most CE guilds

[fervent merlin]

Idk if devles are to blame tho

[lucid olive]

Delves are fun content

Do my bountifuls weekly on alts

[pseudo merlin]

what for though

just fun?

[lethal imp]

I’m not blaming delves. I just think they are very useful for that purpose. And it’s aligned with being fun

Delves can be fun for a lot of the same reasons dungeons are fun

[lucid olive]

fun and easy gilded crests

[lethal imp]

If you build them correctly

[fervent merlin]

I’ve seen wow streamers who only do delves so someone has fun

[lucid olive]

can finish a +11 delve in like 10 minutes

[exotic perch]

If you use a map too its 30 gilded i think rn

[pseudo merlin]

how many gildies is that

[lethal imp]

You will outgrow them eventually but if they get you ready for the harder content while being really fun, that’s a huge w

[lucid olive]

why should they get you ready for harder content

why's that the draw

[lethal imp]

Why shouldn’t they? Many of the same skills (in microcosm) are being tested

[pseudo merlin]

Because they're supposed to be their own thing

Not something to teach and then be discarded

[fervent merlin]

They get u ready for harder level delves

[lethal imp]

That doesn’t have to be the exclusive draw. But “being fun single player content” and “being a dungeon in microcosm that gets you most of the way to understanding how to tackle hard group content” are not at odds

Those goals are in fact very aligned imo

[pseudo merlin]

I think it would be fun if delves were mage tower-esque (lite) type boss encounters with trash or puzzle rooms leading up to them

[digital berry]

Bring thorgast back

[pseudo merlin]

SL BETA torghast was insanely good content

Literally everyone was having fun

So Blizzard broke it

[eager raft]

Torghast was fun near the end too

[fervent merlin]

They’ve never said this

[lucid olive]

yeah I loved speedrunning Upper Reaches

[lethal imp]

I lowkey loved torghast. I stopped playing shadowlands before I hated them from being forced to do them every week. But they were really fun for a while. I just wouldn’t want to do them 5 times a week every week

[pseudo merlin]

I quit during sylvanas so i wouldnt know

[round field]

torghast could be fun

if they didnt focus on making it cancer

with shit affixes

[gray ruin]

Miniature Titan D.I.S.C. Belt Which one do you like best?

[round field]

just like m+

[pseudo merlin]

Did any of you play endless torghast in early beta?

[eager raft]

The one that came out near the end where you got a shit ton of powers

Was really fun

[pseudo merlin]

your power level spiked up to insane levels

it became so fun

[gray ruin]

I heard that Charged Bolts are nerfed

[lethal imp]

I’m actually sad they gave up on torghast

[lucid olive]

pins

[pseudo merlin]

It's not really a matter of opinion, check pins/sim

[gray ruin]

thanks

[lucid olive]

think its hard to recommend one definite power for the belt since there are 4 that are close to each other and the only difference is which secondary stat you get a random proc of

[quaint minnow]

haste or Mastery seems good, depend of what you need the most I guess

but like the others

sim yourself

[flat mica]

Does Ecilpse empore my Dots? For example do i cast 2x wraths before i start dotting?

[digital berry]

you usually don’t want to do that as it delays your damage window and wastes natures grace stacks

[calm ibex]

It automatically updates

So if you dot then go into eclipse the dots are empowered

[red flint]

how do you sim the different belt options? I dont see it on raidbots

[lucid olive]

click the + sign on the belt in top gear

[red flint]

[calm ibex]

Is raidbots updated with the nerf?

Probably not till Tuesday yeah?

[craggy sonnet]

nerf aint live

[calm ibex]

Yeah ik

[craggy sonnet]

has anyone experienced graphical issues since the patch? portals/dungeon/raid entrances arent loading properly and sometimes spell projectiles are missing. I know there is also something going on with people getting green boxes everywhere (know someone that had this as well) but didnt get those

[quiet drift]

For me vfx stop appearing for like 10s then I get flashbanged at once

But i think i had it before patch

[craggy sonnet]

ok wth

why was my particle density set to "Disabled"

how does that happen with a patch...

ohhh

the bandit wa maybe

[cloud lion]

now in workshop i didnt see arm

almost deplete 19 cuz of it

didnt see it at all

[craggy sonnet]

oh, i've also seen/heard this before

yeeap

#balance message

[empty skiff]

Anyone know how the season 3 tier feels compared to current season.. and what hero talent is looking stronger atm with the new tier?

[lucid olive]

No way to know which is stronger and how it feels is subjective

Log on PTR and play it, the game needs more PTR testers!

[empty skiff]

Kinda limited on time but trying to find the hype specs atm, I loved balance in DF but I realy dislike the current version. Tried pally and warrior on ptr just dont know if I even want to copy a druid lol

[lucid olive]

It's over 2 months until the season starts you have more than enough time

[empty skiff]

season 4 in particular

[quiet drift]

This early its just best to go w what u think is cool

[empty skiff]

Overall you think the tier is hype at all?

I feel like they nerf balance if we smile about it lol

[lucid olive]

New content is always hype

it's also very subjective

If you want explanation on how the tier set works and the interations you can check Compendium guide linked in pins and channel description

[empty skiff]

Thanks! ill prob ask this same question in the feral chat hours from now when I circle my life choices

[golden raft]

I was having issues like that (mainly the lime green boxes everywhere) but it's been fine since switching to directx 11

[frosty locust]

How do you macro your tempered potion? like with what skill and what´s the exact macro, cant find it anywhere

[craggy sonnet]

press it individually

[frosty locust]

oh thats what you guys do? gotcha

[lofty depot]

some people macro it to incarn but theres times at which u wouldnt want to use it so generally just press it individually

[frosty locust]

ok ill just put it onto my bar, appreciate it

[faint wolf]

When simming with raidbots using mdt, is there a certain dungeon that is best to use?

[lofty depot]

probably not top

[pseudo merlin]

You're kind of missing the point

MDT is not an AIO generalised thing

[scenic mist]

If you want a global idea I’d just sim 1t5m
MDT gives you information for the dung AND ROUTE you sim, to me it’s more a final final min maxing

[fiery harness]

I have two incarn macros. One with potion one without.

But I’m also not the best boomy lol

[frosty locust]

mind sharing the one with pot?

[severe hollow]

/use pot name```

[lofty depot]

telling more people to use weird combo smh

[severe hollow]

yea Im not a fan either

I would recommend to just use pot + incarn as seperate buttons

[pseudo merlin]

😩

[loud kettle]

still timable

[drifting nova]

you might be the problem, unlucky

[pseudo merlin]

like

[drifting nova]

perhaps you can improve in a 6

[pseudo merlin]

im on my DK alt that leveled to 80 an hour ago

I died on 9 pulls due to overaggroing the 683 tank

[drifting nova]

is the dungeon still a shit ton of trash

but the route avoids most of it

[pseudo merlin]

yeah idk how were missing 25

tank dc'd now and now im going to tank the rest 🙂

[drifting nova]

1 of the bigger letdowns for that dungeon doing it the first time

avoiding all of it

[pseudo merlin]

I just fucking hate ML

I hate it so much

I tanked this +7 in 604 gear

The last 25% and boss atleast

[fiery harness]

I still don’t understand it. It has to be better to use the macro because there’s no delay between pressing two buttons

[pseudo merlin]

Potion isn't on the GCD

some cds are

you can always use your potion during the GCD triggered by another spell

[lofty depot]

theres not a delay between my buttons either

get better hands

[pseudo merlin]

obviously there's a double digit MS delay between button presses at a minimal but you only have to account for the 750ms GCD

or whatever the floor is

its 750 right

[fiery harness]

Yea there will be some MS delay. And it does exactly the same thing tho right?

[pseudo merlin]

Yes

[pseudo merlin]

I'm just arguing this

Outside of a scenario where someone might be super new and an extra button press might lead to confusion and mistakes, there's no built in downside

Because of the GCD

[fiery harness]

It also simplifies an unnecessary button pressing

[pseudo merlin]

But this topic has been beat to death at this point

Today and yesterday included

[lofty depot]

u have the same amount of buttons

[pseudo merlin]

Do we really need to continue

[lofty depot]

one way gives u more control than the other

[fiery harness]

How?

Unless in some scenario both your potion and incarn are available and somehow you only want to pot?

If that’s a real thing I’d love to learn

[lofty depot]

ive done it before during prog

[lofty depot]

log off

[pseudo merlin]

1 more key

[fiery harness]

I never wanted to argue this but @lofty depot keeps suggesting my macro is inferior and weird than having a separate button without explicitly explaining why. If there’s a reason I do want to change my macro

[pseudo merlin]

The reason is one way gives you more control

In most cases you might not need it

[fiery harness]

Yea can you elaborate

[pseudo merlin]

So it's fine to have 1 macro for cds and 1 macro for cds+pot that replaces your normal pot(only) keybind

[lofty depot]

ive given u examples and u either dont listen or dont understand

[pseudo merlin]

It's a scenario that might not ever happen to you

But most people prefer to have pots and t rinkets on seperate binds just incase it does

[lofty depot]

and ive stated it allows more control with ur button presses

[pseudo merlin]

As long as you don't macro pot with your CDs and only ever use 1 bind for it

That's egregious

But two CD macros, one with pot and one without, is fine

[faint wolf]

I understand this, but sometimes a certain dungeon is recommended because it is middle of the road, like a good combo of large pulls, smaller pulls, and st. For example, the recommended dungeon for hunter was rookery. I'm simming routes, but haven't played balance in a while, so was just wondering if there was a particular dungeon people for mdt with balance.

[pseudo merlin]

If you ever run into the super fringe scenario where you might've wanted teh extra control you'll notice it yourself and you'll be able to change if you wish

[fiery harness]

Again I’m not trying to argue. But what does “more control” even mean in this context. Can you give me an example that we want to use potion or trinket but not incarn when all of them are available

[loud kettle]

vexie on pull

[lofty depot]

mugzee pull

fyrakk intermission

[fiery harness]

Oh so it’s mythic raiding

[lofty depot]

queen

[loud kettle]

m+ all the time

[pseudo merlin]

I understand. I don't want to cross compare specs. For some classes 1t5m tangible sim results will rarely differ or barely differ from their generalised MDT results. Boomie is one of those specs. So for all intents and purposes you don't need more than 1t5m UNLESS you're hyper specifically trying to minmax 0.1% dps for a specific route in a specific dungeon, in which case you don't need the " general" route either.

No idea how it is for hunters

Maybe they have a template MDT route that is a far superior way of simming for them

[fiery harness]

So when should I pot in m+

[pseudo merlin]

For boomie it is not

[lofty depot]

prepull

predungeon

like a chad

[fiery harness]

Yea I just use my macro every time

It pops incarn pre pull but that’s ok

Because prepull resets incarn cd

[lofty depot]

wow i didnt know that tell me more

[pseudo merlin]

ok relax

eat a snickers

[lofty depot]

im watching ufc

wanna fight?

[pseudo merlin]

who's winning

[lofty depot]

me

[pseudo merlin]

I only know how to grapple

I'm decent

[lofty depot]

id cradle u

[pseudo merlin]

😳

[faint wolf]

Awesome, thank you! t15m makes it very easy, I'll stick with that. Didn't realize it would be accurate for aoe also.

[pseudo merlin]

yup

[lofty depot]

to be clear, its not that its accurate for aoe

its that not much changes for aoe

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[lofty depot]

and mdt sims are criinge

[fiery harness]

Idk why instead of telling me when I should pot in m+, you just keep giving me very vague comments

[pseudo merlin]

The gearing based off of your sim results wont differ much between 1t5m and MDT

The damage numbers obviously will

[loud kettle]

with as many buffs as possible, ideally into harder/bigger pulls

[fiery harness]

So I don’t align incarn with pot?

[loud kettle]

potting a naked incarn in single target for instance would be troll and happens

[severe hollow]

when its the highest dps gain

[lofty depot]

lets move the goal posts after people give u examples

+1

[loud kettle]

pressing incarn doesnt mean you want to pot there too

simple as

[fiery harness]

Bro I want to learn why so I can actually improve

[lofty depot]

i also told u there was plenty of times where u have incarn and pot and say lust is up in 2 minutes

[pseudo merlin]

The context here is two incarn macros, one with and one without pot btw

[faint wolf]

Ah, I think I see what you are saying. 1t5m won't give you the right numbers, but it will still show you the best gear, even for aoe?

[loud kettle]

no its not

[fiery harness]

You give me some weird example and never explained why

[severe hollow]

the general idea is to not lose pot usages and then use it on the places which are either the hardest or the ones you gain the most dps from

[pseudo merlin]

yes because the gearing wont differ much

[pseudo merlin]

yes it is

[loud kettle]

thats your context

[fiery harness]

That’s not a problem for me. I have a separate incarn keybind

[loud kettle]

idc about what you do

[pseudo merlin]

No that's Keter's context

[lofty depot]

theres also plenty of times people ask oh so i can just macro all my off gcd buttons

[pseudo merlin]

He's got 2 macros

[lofty depot]

which isnt hte case aswell

[pseudo merlin]

One with pot and one without

[burnt frost]

Yo real question does the dreamgrove have a server tag yet XD

[fiery harness]

Bro I have 2 macros

[lofty depot]

yea its DEUX

[faint wolf]

Great, thanks again! Very helpful, and makes it much easier.

[burnt frost]

hell yea

[lofty depot]

big poggy

[severe hollow]

why not DUCK

[fiery harness]

The only downside of my keybind is I can’t press potion alone when I have everything up

[pseudo merlin]

🦆

[lofty depot]

cuz we have bear's and tree's and frry's

[pseudo merlin]

Wars are being fought internally over the tag

[severe hollow]

yea so to compromise

time to use DUCK

[loud kettle]

ok so u have 2 buttons then

cool

[lofty depot]

yea DEUX

[pseudo merlin]

fuck deux

tbh

[lofty depot]

thats crazy

[loud kettle]

see no problem with that

[fiery harness]

So why is my macro bad?

[loud kettle]

ur macro is bad in context of not having a second button

[fiery harness]

Do people pot but not incarn when both are up

[lofty depot]

because ur gonna press incarn + pot and not want to press pot

[loud kettle]

ur macro is fine if its already a second button

[lofty depot]

then go oppsie i pressed wrong cd button

[fiery harness]

Never happened to me

[loud kettle]

this is skill issue

[fiery harness]

Just learn the macro

[lofty depot]

just cuz it doesnt happen to u

doesnt mean it wont to others that are newer

[loud kettle]

i can accidentally press tree when ca has 20s cd too

[fiery harness]

So this less control argument is just a skill issue problem and I don’t need to worry about it

[lofty depot]

having control to not make mistakes

[severe hollow]

havent played chicken in a while, is incarn still on gcd?

[lofty depot]

no

[fiery harness]

Idk pressing one button instead of two sounds much easier

[loud kettle]

i can forget to push pot button

[lofty depot]

get better hands

i can press 3

skrill issue

[loud kettle]

there is no countering skill issue with clever binding you gotta push the binds

[lofty depot]

gally opener goes hard

[lucid olive]

only with orbital strike talented

[lofty depot]

just wait til we swap back to using orbital 🙂

and flare

pew pewppewpeppew

[proper sinew]

[loud kettle]

surely thatll happen

[severe hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1383932006907248680.webp?size=96

[lofty depot]

dont worry, last tier it was wild mushroom cook :/

[fiery harness]

I’m gonna sin obviously has some counter arguments

[pseudo merlin]

There are a lot of counterarguments against sinning yes

Don't sin

[lofty depot]

im gonna sin

[pseudo merlin]

No

[lofty depot]

i can change my name and he wont know its me

[pseudo merlin]

You want Jesus to have died for nothing?

[lofty depot]

whos jesus

McJesus?

[pseudo merlin]

The guy who does my lawn

[fiery harness]

I changed my macro to #showtooltip tempered potion

[dry compass]

I think he got deported

[proper sinew]

Trying to macro everything together is just a classic player thing you'll eventually get out of

[fiery harness]

Hopefully he’s ok with my macro now

[lofty depot]

well ur using the /use for all the tempered potions

so ur welcome

[dry compass]

I need that macro

[pseudo merlin]

/script LeaveParty()
/use 14
/target lasttarget
/whisper Raidleader inv
/click StaticPopup1Button1
/cast Celestial Alignment
/cancelaura Starlord
/cast convoke the spirits```

[dry compass]

Number of times on reclear I forget to swap keybind and burn non-fleeting pots

[pseudo merlin]

This is the goated macro of all macros

[lofty depot]

/use item:212971
/use item:212265
/use item:212970
/use item:212264
/use item:212969
/use item:212263

[fiery harness]

Thanks for the macro tho

[proper sinew]

That is very bald

I expected no less

[lofty depot]

bet keter doesnt macro cancel dreamstate

but macros pot to incarn

[pseudo merlin]

This was optimal IQD gameplay

Can't wait for when we get that dungeon back

🙂

[fiery harness]

Yea I played retail for 2 weeks. Still learning

[trail tangle]

so am I crazy, but is the single target damage from balance have a huge variance in damage?

[lofty depot]

depends on what ur definition of huge is

[fiery harness]

Most people here told me my macro is fine and there was no downside if I don’t press the wrong button tho. Idk why I should stop using it. I have two incarn macros

[pseudo merlin]

just go look at it yourself?

[calm ibex]

NOT THIS AGAIN

[pseudo merlin]

quick sim > HTML report > scroll to variance

[pseudo merlin]

DN

[trail tangle]

I'll check that out, thanks

[proper sinew]

having a dedicated pot button especially if you multiclass is just a "good" habit to get into

[pseudo merlin]

dmg distribution graph* not variance, sorry

[lofty depot]

looks at detail crits

HE CRIT 8M

[fiery harness]

I don’t play multiclass tho. Don’t have time to play alts

[lofty depot]

me multiclass, generally all the buttons for each class are the same

cds on c, defensives on zxv. movement on g random off damage shit etf

[severe hollow]

I multiclass a lot and all the buttons on different classes are wildly different

[pseudo merlin]

I even have the same binds across games

[severe hollow]

not a good idea

[pseudo merlin]

Ent is built diff

[severe hollow]

im just an idiot

[fiery harness]

Multiclass a much more reasonable explanation

[lofty depot]

my buddy who played warlock had rotation shit on qerty

and i freaked out

[severe hollow]

people who have rotational buttons on their mouse scare me

[lofty depot]

that too

i can see them spamming in vod

[severe hollow]

hold on tho I have that

[lofty depot]

yea ur a freak

[severe hollow]

like my Star surge is on R

for example

[lofty depot]

my surge is r

my pyro is r

my eleblast is r

[severe hollow]

wait what is your issue with the qerty thing then?

[lofty depot]

icelance is r

[severe hollow]

that all those buttons are the rotation

or what

[lofty depot]

rotational being wrath, firbvall, frostbolt, lightning bolt

[pseudo merlin]

I always have my 12 mouse buttons for interrupt+defensives. QERFGTXCV for all rotational buttons. 12345 for cooldowns. Shift/CTRL/Alt + 12345 for consumables and on use. Shift+CTRL+Alt+QERFGTXCV for HS, hp pot, CC and utility.

[severe hollow]

ah

my lightning bolt is on e

fireball on 3 frostbolt 2

[pseudo merlin]

yooooooooo

[severe hollow]

obvious reasons

[pseudo merlin]

my LB is on E

[severe hollow]

wrath is on 2 Star fire q iirc

[lofty depot]

glacial spike is on 5 for some reason

[pseudo merlin]

my starfire on Q too

but wrath on E

[lofty depot]

forst has too manyt buttons

[severe hollow]

mindflay is e too

[pseudo merlin]

my mindflay E too

E is goated asf

[severe hollow]

yea I like e

however on chicken

regrowth is on e

which is not exactly ideal

[lofty depot]

commet storm, cone of cold, glacial, ray of frost, aoe frosty thing, icelance

like fuggn kill me

[pseudo merlin]

Q STF
E Wrath
R MF
F SS
X SUF
C SF

fuck STFL

dont even have a bind for that atm

[lofty depot]

r mf.....

[severe hollow]

think I use 5

for that

[lofty depot]

door

[severe hollow]

moonfire is 4

sunfire 1

[pseudo merlin]

I've never been a number key rotational player

you gotta move your hands off of WASD to press 1-5

[lofty depot]

crazy work

[severe hollow]

??

but not to press x?

[pseudo merlin]

no?

[lofty depot]

thumb is x

[severe hollow]

are you using your thumb?

[pseudo merlin]

your index can hit X when your fingers are literally on WASD

[lofty depot]

entenze never played a shooter

[pseudo merlin]

you only need 2 fingers on WASD right

[lofty depot]

ravec either prob

[pseudo merlin]

thumb X is

idk man

something's wrong with you I think

[lofty depot]

like people that have trouble wiht pressing control

[pseudo merlin]

that's a thing?

[proper sinew]

how small are your fingies

[pseudo merlin]

ctrl is for pinky

[lofty depot]

side of pinky*

almost hand

[pseudo merlin]

yeah

[lofty depot]

keyboard tilt >

[pseudo merlin]

?

<> is below A

[lofty depot]

....

[fiery harness]

My Q is meld so I can react lol

[severe hollow]

meld is shift x

[pseudo merlin]

My meld is like ctrl X

[severe hollow]

ravec knows

good shit

[pseudo merlin]

cuz my shift X is uhm

vortex

shift C typhoon

[lofty depot]

meld is shift e

was pvp trinket before that 🙂

[pseudo merlin]

my PVP trinket is mouse 12

[drifting nova]

dis gus tang

[lofty depot]

mouse 12 is the extraactionbutton

[fiery harness]

My vortex is shift + E but I feel like I want a faster keybind so I have more reaction time to vortex leaping mobs

[pseudo merlin]

I got shift right mouse tilt for EAB

[lofty depot]

bunch of the random shit on mouse :/

[pseudo merlin]

dont react to leaping mobs

[proper sinew]

You have 12 mice?

[pseudo merlin]

you know when its coming

[lofty depot]

gate, pot, moonkinform, stupid flap

[fiery harness]

There has to be a WA to sound alert every single leap/teleport abilities

[lofty depot]

15 really

[proper sinew]

gamer

[lofty depot]

theres a weakaura to show when mobs have leap cd up....

if thats what u mean

[fiery harness]

Could you share

[lofty depot]

hmm

[fiery harness]

Or any keyword

[lofty depot]

making me log into game on the weekend

...

lucky i havent left for cws yet

smh

[drifting nova]

not logged in smh

[fiery harness]

No worries. I can just look for it later

[drifting nova]

why you going to castle wars?

[severe hollow]

its a great custom map

[lofty depot]

well its the causee stuff

https://wago.io/twwdungeons

think u have to dl the anchors too

[drifting nova]

why install if they'l be banned next week

[lofty depot]

so true

[fiery harness]

Thanks!

[lofty depot]

how am i supposed to know when to ursol if i dont know the leap cd

:?

yo anyone want to grind delves?

[drifting nova]

delves were a year ago

🤔

[lofty depot]

i need gilded tho

[digital berry]

Who is this pleb

Your Druid ?

[pseudo merlin]

i got like 200 gildeds

im just waiting for drops

[abstract breach]

Been learning Balance the last couple weeks - in M+ should I expect Starfire or Starfall to be my highest damage spell (in general) ?

[digital berry]

Starfall should outdps starfire in most keys

But if you’re not casting enough you might have a lower asp generation and not be casting enough falls

But also that’s not really a good metric to figure out if you’re playing correctly

[pseudo merlin]

I feel like narrowing in on a single actor on your details is never actually going to help you

Provide logs

[abstract breach]

I was in a Motherlode with another balance Druid and he had more starfire damage and I was kind of confused as sterfire has nefer surpassed my Starfall dmg

[lofty depot]

ye :?

[digital berry]

He probably just didn’t cast starfall much

But also double moonkin in a key is cursed

[pseudo merlin]

log

[lofty depot]

need to start gearing it again to get ready for next season

i dont want to be on mage prison

[digital berry]

Are we holding out hope that it won’t be nerfed into oblivion?

[lofty depot]

i didnt play mage cuz boomkin damage was shit

[abstract breach]

It was only a 7 and we +2’d it so it was fine haha but I was comparing our stats and that stuck out to me

[digital berry]

Difficult to play moonkin properly in a 7

[pseudo merlin]

it's not, unless the people you are playing with are 680

actually scrap that

its not even with 680s

unless they are actually competent

which they wont be, because they're in 7s

[light quest]

I mean tbf, I'm not the best player, but in a 7 I can get blown out by bursty players with frontloaded damage becaues the mobs die so damned fast lol

[lofty depot]

that do be the issue

boomkin isnt ret :/

[pseudo merlin]

That's like a super rare scenario though

I literally played my bamkin from level 70 to +14s in the past 2 resets

nobody is out there pumping in 7s

Not on the regualr anyway

[drifting nova]

you're just depleting them

[pseudo merlin]

the 7s yeah

primarily depleting 7s

[shut trench]

is 12.6k haste considered too low for m+? sim shows me that

i feel casts taking ages

[pseudo merlin]

No such thing

Feel free to link sims if you think there might be something wrong, but assuming you simmed properly then whatever that gets you is what you should be running

[shut trench]

floodgate mdt sim+20

no actually not this

[lofty depot]

"too low" isnt a thing

[lofty depot]

it however is low nonetheless

[pseudo merlin]

Every day I see some realm name I have never seen before

[shut trench]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mF32cmu8xFgWd32EGQpRJ6

correct me if im simming wrong

[pseudo merlin]

probably cuz youre running sparkburst

[shut trench]

sim is correct?

sometimes it says 5m sometimes 45mins

for mdt sim

duuno whats the thing or its normal?

[lofty depot]

why dont u have an int gem

oh it does it just didnt change it

i cba

is fine :/

[shut trench]

too low cause it feels slow af

starfire such a long cast

[lofty depot]

sim > feelycraft

if u think its too low, then add some haste

[pseudo merlin]

I personally love my slow STF

[lofty depot]

ur worried about a 0.5% diff

[pseudo merlin]

Slow STF means its easier to clip wrath end of eclipse

[shut trench]

makes a diff in st

[lofty depot]

ur worried about 0.5% diff

[plush prairie]

blackrose on silvermoon?

[plush prairie]

took me here

[lofty depot]

get a better computer probably

[plush prairie]

didn't take me there when I click for some reason

[plush prairie]

lets go pc for pc

rn

[lofty depot]

unless u just bought urs id win

[plush prairie]

😦

Mine is like

a year old or sum

4080 super

[lofty depot]

bought mine before tier

[plush prairie]

what you got

[lofty depot]

idk, give friend 5k. friend make computer

[plush prairie]

5k holy moly

check task manager

[lofty depot]

its like 4080 or 4090 or w.e.

[shut trench]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/61x2NWU7CHxdTZcyzP7icD

this right here

why did it say 5m the sim before?

im capping

[lofty depot]

idk go fix that

all of these are the same

again

doesnt amtter

[lofty depot]

45m big

[plush prairie]

floodgate 20 vs top gear?

idk if that's the reason

[lofty depot]

btw, yea its a 4080 super

[plush prairie]

same gpu as me

what cpu you got

I got shitty intel

[lofty depot]

intel never

[plush prairie]

yeah big mistake by me

[plush prairie]

I got i9-14900kf

[lofty depot]

miss me ever with an intel

[plush prairie]

100c like 24/7

[past nacelle]

intel good before 13th gen

[lofty depot]

good never

[plush prairie]

got an arctic freezer

now my temps never go above 85

💀

[lofty depot]

me too

just because it says arctic tho

idk the fuck it do

[plush prairie]

buy me a new motherboard and a ryzen and we can be friends

[lofty depot]

hm

[plush prairie]

one of the best coolers for your cpu that you can get

and quite cheap compared to others

[shut trench]

nightly or latest is better than weekly?

[lofty depot]

latest unless someone tells u otherwise

(sometimes raidbots bricks something like during the item upgrade thingy... but latest is the most up to date)

[severe hollow]

you are the one who made them and dont know what they do?!

[lofty depot]

when did i say i made it

[severe hollow]

if they have your name on it

[lofty depot]

?

[severe hollow]

they clearly are yours

smh

[lofty depot]

oh type shitr

[plush prairie]

arctic freezer

it's your company

and you don't know what it does

[lofty depot]

nop

[thorny quiver]

Ok question for the group here: With recent nerf to DISC: Charged Bolt. What do we boomies use for raid?

[heavy iris]

Answer for the group: sim it

[thorny quiver]

fair enough

ty

[drifting nova]

5k? going to mars or what?

[pseudo merlin]

@ csh

[drifting nova]

at this rate I could resub and get to your key levels in an hour

[pseudo merlin]

relax im tanking on my brand new dk

with csh

[drifting nova]

blood boil

blood boil again

of all the tanks think I hated dk the most maybe I was bad idk

the gap in tankiness was awful

[pseudo merlin]

skill gap will be most noticeable on dk yeah

cuz you need to know how to live

[drifting nova]

no rune power gg

likewise my least favourite to heal

[pseudo merlin]

??????????

[drifting nova]

does next patch have a date or

[pseudo merlin]

Geckos can be other classes now?

[regal tiger]

why do i see people delaying WoE when they pop cds? is it for 3 dot buff?

[pseudo merlin]

dreamstate

[regal tiger]

thanks

[pseudo merlin]

has to be used up first*'

[dense steeple]

my guy got FLEECED

i can build a pc better than yours RIGHT now for like 1.5k

[teal minnow]

or buy a prebuilt and save the rest

[lofty depot]

lies

1/3 of that 5k was for 2 new monitors 🙂

[lofty depot]

ew

[craggy sonnet]

prebuilt and saving in one sentence is crazy

[pseudo merlin]

i mean

prebuilts go at like a 100 bucks markup nowadays

[teal minnow]

☝️ he gets it

[pseudo merlin]

200 if you get the fancy extra coverage and whatever there is

Which I can fully understand being willing to pay just for the peace of mind

[craggy sonnet]

you usually get pretty poor stuff prebuilt

but sure

[lofty depot]

imagine i paid my buddy $50 and some pizza

[craggy sonnet]

go for it

[pseudo merlin]

That's unrelated

That's like saying don't order food, you usually get pretty poor stuff

[craggy sonnet]

?

[pseudo merlin]

Look into what you're buying?

[craggy sonnet]

ok

show me a good prebuilt then

and tell me that they didnt throw in a piss poor psu and ssd

[dense steeple]

i dont need a case or a power supply i just WANT them.

[pseudo merlin]

Who are you arguing

I don't get it

[craggy sonnet]

and tried to bait you into buying the 8gb version of some 12 or 16gb card

[pseudo merlin]

a 100 bucks markup is a 100 bucks markup

the parts don't matter if the markup is 100 bucks

as long as youre fine with them

if not, find a different one

Ofc they're going to cheap ou on an SSD (which lets be honest for who does that even matter)

the PSU doesn't matter either

If it delivers the power it needs to deliver, and you get a warranty

You wont catch me without a seasonic psu ever

But I'd be fine with some garbage like corsair if I bought a prebuilt with a solid warranty

[craggy sonnet]

some brave man right there .. wanting to buy an asrock board after the dead cpu scandal

[drifting nova]

got mine last ..early dec and was like a £40 markup, and I really cba building it myself

alot better than it used to be

[pseudo merlin]

40 seems very low and I feel like you probably didn't check the things like SSD and PSU like Clankz said

maybe cooler

But that's dope if it really was only 40

[drifting nova]

piece for piece the difference was about that yeah

[pseudo merlin]

nice

Yeah that's good stuff

double digit to very low triple digit markup is a very good price for peace of mind

I just built a pc for a friends son and it took me hours to troubleshoot some dumb shit that was happening

[drifting nova]

still sad about the cpu, it'l live with me forever

[pseudo merlin]

my time is worth way more than 40 bucks an hour lmao

[drifting nova]

2-3days after ordering the 9800 came out and had no idea

got put into the same bundle for £4 more

[pseudo merlin]

damn

[drifting nova]

one of the last 7800s they did probably

[dense steeple]

its like tourism. the price is at its lowest right after terrorism strikes, only the security is way higher now

[pseudo merlin]

Chat was normal, Soma brings up terrorism

gg

[lucid olive]

The cables matter

Esp for new GPUs

[pseudo merlin]

Yeah but a real business isn't going to ship you a prebuilt pc with cables that will melt because they're not rated right

I'm not t alking about buying a prebuilt from your friend greg who builds them in his shed

[lucid olive]

Oh yeah for prebuilt

Didn't read more than just that string of comments

[pseudo merlin]

ah

[lucid olive]

Had that a few months ago when I bought my 4080 super

[pseudo merlin]

💀

[lucid olive]

Bought a PSU little over a year before it that I had to replace cause the cables weren't right and I didn't wanna risk frying it

[pseudo merlin]

ah ok you did it preemptively

[lucid olive]

So had to get new PSU as well to make sure

[pseudo merlin]

ya

smart move probably

[lucid olive]

Nah I bought GPU first and then got a PSU like 2-3 weeks after

I just researched the risk of putting in random cables and figured I didn't wanna risk it

[dense steeple]

this psu goofy but everyone loves it

[pseudo merlin]

is Lian Li the watercooling brand

[lucid olive]

Think they make cases and AIOs yeah

[dense steeple]

but that one is shaped weird

[lucid olive]

Sus

[pseudo merlin]

that's

interesting

I like it

[lucid olive]

Made to be vertical mounted to the side or something

[dense steeple]

every review ive seen is like "i know it looks weird but it made the cabling process fuckin cake"

[pseudo merlin]

I'm on a micro ATX with a very small case

a psu like that would be amazing

right now I have to take my entire pc apart to f lush the watercooling loop

[lucid olive]

I need to get a new case cause my GPU didn't fit so I had to rip the AIO out and mount it on the outside of the case 💀

Just remembered

[pseudo merlin]

PSU is hidden behind the white panel and there isnt even a tenth of an inch of space

I don't do cable management

[lucid olive]

That's why they make covers so you can hide it

How's the rest of the setup looking

[pseudo merlin]

rest?

[dense steeple]

you couldnt pay me to use custom loops

[lucid olive]

Yeah like desk monitor and allat

[pseudo merlin]

ah

used to run 6 monitors but I'm down to 3 now so it looks a bit chaotic

[lucid olive]

With that much thought into your PC surely the rest is not just thrown together

3 monitors is peak imo

Maybe 3 monitors and a TV above it but that's as far as I'll go

[pseudo merlin]

no its definitely thrown together but it wasnt like this before

I had 6 monitors and then I moved and I could never find a proper way to mount all of it

ill fix it after I move to italy or something

[pseudo merlin]

why not

building it was kinda fun ngl

[lucid olive]

I can't have 3 horizontal monitors either, just end up not using half of the left one

[pseudo merlin]

usually its like

top left is double discord on 50:50 split screen

[pseudo merlin]

top right some video

then primary monitor games

[pseudo merlin]

ya this looks nice

[lucid olive]

Could do with some better cable management but I cba

[vast storm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cJWeyrAKpTyAXcvxXfgNXN

crafted ring for mythic plus?

[pseudo merlin]

do a real sim first

[vast storm]

real sim?

[pseudo merlin]

yeah

1t5m or mdt

[dense steeple]

im boutta do hood rat shit and have 5

[pseudo merlin]

its 2025 and we still can't solo vailthria dreamwalker?

[dense steeple]

??

you can

[pseudo merlin]

on a class that cant heal

[dense steeple]

yes

you can

[pseudo merlin]

the portals just end the encounter

[dense steeple]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=132511/pump-action-bandage-gun

[pseudo merlin]

ok let me rephrase

you need to do some insanely turbo degen shit

and cant through normal means solo an encounter 15 years after it came out

cheers tho

[dense steeple]

boss designed around healing and your mad you cant kill it because you dont have a heal button

[pseudo merlin]

I mean they fixed kelthuzad

[lucid olive]

Nzoth too

[pseudo merlin]

the exact same issue right

entering a portal made you phase and auto end encounter

fixed it on KT

but not on a boss that came out a decade before

you could only solo KT by playing that necrolord thing where you summon Kevin

[grizzled nimbus]

Hi guys - should we be replacing cyrce’s ring with the crafted 681 ring?

[grizzled shoal]

if your sim says to yeah

[fiery harness]

Now i can play the game

[pseudo merlin]

damn gj

[grizzled shoal]

gz

[fiery harness]

tyty

[sullen stone]

does the windsinger citrine show "gain 0 of your secondary stat" as a tooltip bug or am i missing something

[dense steeple]

its bugged

yea

[lyric copper]

hey guys my is on 609 rating should i get more?

[pseudo merlin]

what?

[lyric copper]

6% seems

[pseudo merlin]

I have no idea what you're talking about

[lyric copper]

mb crit*

[pseudo merlin]

sim your gear

[lyric copper]

sims to much versa tho

[pseudo merlin]

I don't know what that means

Just sim your gear

You'd never just manually adjust your stats in any sort of way

[lyric copper]

what about trinkets

i got a myth signet and cards and mugs on hero

[dense steeple]

i know this sounds crazy but you should use ||what the sim says||

[pseudo merlin]

mythic signet and hc hoc tend to be very close so it's once again a question for the robot

[lyric copper]

oukey thx

[tardy oasis]

depends on what content you're doing, long fights are better for cards, but you should sim to see what's best. have you simmed before?

[lyric copper]

ye its just im struggling ish in 16's to keep up dmg

[pseudo merlin]

That wont be because of gear

Just gotta practise more, take a good look at the compendium, or post some logs

[lyric copper]

fair enough ty

[mighty mica]

ew

[plucky valley]

:/

[fiery harness]

So we can clear a raid multiple times a week we just don't get loot

can we get multiple parses?

or only one parse per week

[plush prairie]

yes

multiple parses

[fiery harness]

So if i want to find a mythic guild i should probably just farm parses until im all purple in heroic?

[exotic perch]

i mean you can do that but its obvious if youve killed a boss like 35 times lol

usually you start at a lower level guild and work your way up if you got time and skill

[calm ibex]

I personally started in a heroic/just starting mythic guild back in highmaul

Just gotta build experience then more guilds will take you in

It may not happen this patch or the next, it’s just practice and experience

[drifting nova]

as every tier seems to have "easy mythic bosses"

truly finding an actual guild proved difficult

[floral quartz]

anyone know if killing tindral on mythic rolls for each difficulty for the boomy appearence? or should i be farming all three difficulties each week

[drifting nova]

each diff I believe

[restive wasp]

Its not possible to have this work as a single click right? I want a mouseover party frame wild charge macro. This macro works, but takes two clicks; first cancels Moonkin Form, second does the Wild Charge to friendly:

#showtooltip /cancelform /cast Wild Charge

[craggy sonnet]

they fricked stuff like that whenever they messed with macro conditionals/syntax late DF

or well .. idk if it worked before

but other things similar to this did

[lofty depot]

idk if its like an internal gcd for the swap, but yea it basically swaps form for it

theres only a few instances where this is/was ever needed

[hard trellis]

heya, kinda noob question, when building do i spend ASAP? or is pooling a thing during basic rotation (i can assume pooling IS in fact important depending on the context lol)

like do i send a surge as soon as i hit enough ap?

[drifting nova]

sometimes yes

sometimes no

[exotic perch]

you would spend asap if you are going to overcap on astral power

but usually you pool towards the end of an eclipse so that you can get starlord stacks back up quick

[hard trellis]

sorry i literally have only touched feral since legion LMAO so i'm a bit behind.

gotcha, and i assume that stacks with dreamstate?

[digital berry]

Dream state?

As in the two faster casts outside of eclipse ?

[hard trellis]

yeah, i assume that cast speed stacks with starlord's, correct?

[digital berry]

Yeah yeah

[hard trellis]

noted, ty fam

[candid mason]

Is there anything useful to do during mythic stix intermission outside of regrowthing and capping on AP?

I kinda just run around wrath/moonfire spamming for active% but idk if we should be using spenders or something

[lofty depot]

redotting maybe

big gamer shit is to prep eclipse and not enter til he comes down

[candid mason]

Yeah thats what the moonfire spam is for, and then I backstep sunfire and go into eclipse

[lofty depot]

but doesnt matter cuz st damage isnt whats gonna get u over the r1

[candid mason]

ye for sure

[lofty depot]

stix also doesnt matter parse wise

[candid mason]

Purely mechanical, which is nice I guess

Except for when people hit bombshells all raid

[lofty depot]

i mean it doesnt have all star points so ur parse doesnt matter

[candid mason]

I just like optimizing my rotation and trying to push dps, the number is irrelevant especially since im only 664 and dont have the full raid renown (recently came back to wow)

[lofty depot]

u should go optimize ur gear