#balance

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fiery harness
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do i lose rewards if i just stealth through the entire delve

lucid olive
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no

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but you need to do the story part of it or the treasure room doesnt open

dense python
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Says who?

lucid olive
dense python
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Whats ur score

lucid olive
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don't need score to check logs of those "high rio boomies" you're talking about

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or watch their vod and see what they're doing

dense python
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Maybe you should check this one

lucid olive
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good job man

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i didn't ask though

dense python
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Xd

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I did ask for your score doe

lucid olive
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still not seen any proof of this

dense python
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Go hit a target dummy

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If you dont believe me

lucid olive
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ah we're feelycrafting

dense python
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Wait

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Youre 3.2k score

lofty depot
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everyone be doing it

dense python
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Aight, thats all i needed to hear

lucid olive
# lofty depot

yeah every high rio boomie is doing it man didn't you know

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every high rio boomie = this one rando

lofty depot
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blud thinks his opinion matters cuz he depletes 400 keys a season and times a few

dense python
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Link the log

lofty depot
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its dwilkz top motherlode

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i just linked said picture to troll u cuz dwilkz is a viber and does w.e. hje wants

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and hes a top boomkin rio gamer

lucid olive
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i checked the top like 15 boomie keys to check before i responded saying "this is not true"

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cause aint anyone doing allthat

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the only ones who enter eclipse before pressing incarn are doing it before spreading dots so they can still enter Incarn with 2 Dreamstates

lofty depot
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love the "any high rio boomie is doing it"

lucid olive
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still have not had any reason why minmaxing an extra Firmament is valuable

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Firmament does piss damage

lofty depot
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jsut cuz ur doing it, and u have high rio. doesnt mean ur correct

lucid olive
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the AP buff is completely irrelevant when Starfire is 50% of your damage

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and you're overcapping during your Starfire cast enough with all the random dmg procs

lofty depot
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and its just a boundless thing

lucid olive
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and I asked for proof hoping he could lead to something like a sim

lofty depot
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got given feelcraft

lucid olive
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A sim wiill show you that entering Eclipse before can be valuable at like 10+ targets since Boundless is uncapped

dense python
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Lmao, he didnt have the buff active there

lofty depot
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yea i said i trolled u with a picture

dense python
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Good job xd

lofty depot
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and it took u 10 mintues to then go look at it and respond when u couldve read what i said

tropic gale
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Ppl sorry for starting this somehow lol I don't even know what firmament is xD

lucid olive
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its all good, this was entertaining

lofty depot
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its ok, its just an m+er that thinks hes better than everyone else cuz he no lifes and depletes 400 keys a season

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giga chad energy

dense python
lucid olive
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solid parse bud

dense python
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And gains score from it

lofty depot
dense python
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Aight lets look at prog kills with dmg stop

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Muppets

lucid olive
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you stop damage for 5 minutes or

dense python
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You tell me, boomie expert

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Kekw

lofty depot
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crazy work

quiet drift
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What

lofty depot
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crazy work

dense python
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Cause keeper plays firmament

lofty depot
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thats incarn and foe

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thats surely a m+ log

quiet drift
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Its from the 21log you were flexing

lucid olive
# quiet drift

he means if you have Parting Skies you should enter Eclipse first to get a double Firmament from it

lofty depot
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jeeeeeeeeeez

lofty depot
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oh he died

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i mean these fotm m+ers that dont use wild charge

lucid olive
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well this was fun, back to minecraft

lofty depot
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its honestly impressive the amount of them that just dont use their buttons

tropic gale
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But do you really overcap that much fury that an extra fury of elune is not useful? Again no idea I'm literally alt gaming in 7-10s yet, just wanted to know

quiet drift
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Its about the globals

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Using 2 globals to get a wimpy FoE is not good

lofty depot
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globals, the damage is piss, and getting more starfires in cds

lucid olive
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you will also gain that FoE on the Eclipse after your Incarn ends

tropic gale
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But not with your trinket ig

lucid olive
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and what is more valuable there

lofty depot
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cuz the trinket doesnt increase the starfires u would other wise press?

lucid olive
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a wimpy FoE or 2 faster Starfire casts

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if 2 faster Starfire casts in your cooldowns means you get an extra Starfire cast in total inside your cooldowns

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is the reduced effectiveness FoE better

lofty depot
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foe reduced at 6, starfire reduced at 8

lucid olive
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gg..

dense python
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What muppet 1 and 2 dont understand is the dmg you gain due to more Starfalls

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But maybe you dont need that in +12

tropic gale
lofty depot
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yea cuz ur definatley not gaining more asp from starfire

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brain rot

quiet drift
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Ragebait used to believable šŸ„€

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Tutorial+ ragebait

eager raft
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why is arctic harassing this person

lucid olive
lofty depot
eager raft
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lmfao

lofty depot
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i almost got timed out

eager raft
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pls dont because whenever someone else gets timed out i randomly get one too

lucid olive
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thats a banger Starfire cast

dense python
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Bro

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Youre 3.2k io

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Relax

lucid olive
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and you're world rank 2000

eager raft
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ye but mines from before turbo boost

lofty depot
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blud spams keys all day

eager raft
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any score earned after turbo boost is fake

lofty depot
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hes a giga chad

lucid olive
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isn't it kinda crazy

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you time a 21 motherlode

lofty depot
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whats the over/under he was an spr or aug main

lucid olive
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you feel proud of yourself and your achievement

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and the first thing you do

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is go ego someone in a discord

dense python
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Your attitude is what got is this far lil bro

eager raft
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based imo

lucid olive
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i asked for proof

hybrid kayak
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it's not enough to feel good about yourself, others must feel bad about themselves

lofty depot
lucid olive
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you disagreed with what i said

lofty depot
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ur attitude

lucid olive
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then you said something i can prove is not true as a reason

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and i pointed it out

lofty depot
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its funny he cropped the only dungeon he has a top 10 log on

eager raft
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u couldnt do a 21

lucid olive
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based

lofty depot
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stupid bitch

left gull
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I'm progging mugzee. Do yall bother to starfall the adds or just pump into boss during P1?

eager raft
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i dont even think u could do a 20

lofty depot
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i could if i cared

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mage op

lucid olive
lofty depot
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druid even more op

lucid olive
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you can if you want to but I wouldn't do it on prog

lofty depot
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just bear form stuff

eager raft
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nahhhh i dont think so

lofty depot
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i dont care what u think

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u play hunter and have 0 iq

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rat fuck

eager raft
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ye thats why ur mad rn

left gull
vital hound
iron chasm
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Why have healers if I have to go bear form

lofty depot
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so true

delicate perch
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@teal sphinx

digital berry
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I missed the entertaintment of the night it seems

iron chasm
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Stop damage get bad parse obviously
Isn’t everyone getting green logs on mug’zee and oab??

delicate perch
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same KEKWHands

digital berry
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Pretty sure you can still 90 parse while stopping dmg easily

delicate perch
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just don't stop damage?? one boomkin is NOT phasing a boss laff

digital berry
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They out here calling for stop at 47% like bro nah

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But also I’m kinda done tryna parse monkey dps brain on that fight I got my 99 I’m just gonna play to kill fuck doing dmg

delicate perch
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just throw out some buzz words that relate to the balance tree and gaslight them into thinking you can't stop damage

digital berry
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Nah they onto me I top the meters too often gotta reel it in

iron chasm
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How will you do damage if you stop!

covert coyote
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best part of mugzee prog is pressing trees and they don't refresh moonfire on the boss a single time

iron chasm
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Just stand on dirt wall

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Convoke there then move in for bomb baits

round field
stone ledge
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question for bis usage on mugzee ik we send hoc with convoke, and bis with the 2nd alignment at 40 seconds then hoc with 2nd convoke, do i just send bis with one of the trees either at 2:45 or 3:30 or hold for the next alignment at like 5 minutes

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im guessing the trees at 2:45 so its up for alignment at 5 minute

lucid olive
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yeah that sounds good

vital hound
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@lucid olive whats your io

lucid olive
vital hound
lucid olive
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okay you're getting double dose of cringe later

vital hound
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are you still playing na

stone ledge
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trying to get better and reupping dots outside of eclipse so that way i dont dot during alignment too

vital hound
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or did you get up

vital hound
lucid olive
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i barely log on eu

vital hound
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yo

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lfg

lucid olive
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like in

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barely play WoW

vital hound
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o

lucid olive
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think i'm gonna log on NA when i barely can be arsed logging on main

vital hound
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come play classic

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!

lucid olive
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i'll play MOP

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on EU

vital hound
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we cant xrealm tft aye

lucid olive
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guild wants to plan a raid roster for MOP so i boosted a druid

vital hound
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yo we can

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lets go double up

lucid olive
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monka

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i can play a game of hyper roll

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i'm gonna go bed soon its 8am

vital hound
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nvm then

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im creating ai avatars of our raiders

lucid olive
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thats a banger

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should create them for DG chatters

vital hound
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they're kinda fun lol

vital hound
somber path
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I like it

meager storm
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holy

vital hound
iron chasm
delicate perch
plush nova
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hey, may I ask whether drink is better than wax for balance spec?

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I have h drink and M wax

delicate perch
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what did the sim say

plush nova
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some guy told me that h drink is way better. while the sime told me it is wax

iron chasm
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Are you gonna listen to some guy or a magical robot that maths it out for you

delicate perch
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some guy for sure, they would not lie

vital hound
plush nova
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I have no idea, as wcl shows balance should not have many crit while the sim says crit is good. I have 18% crit for now

vital hound
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@lofty depot

iron chasm
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Isn’t the wax thing versatility

iron chasm
plush nova
delicate perch
delicate perch
plush nova
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for sure. but I have no jug at all. 😭

delicate perch
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you could simply purchase it

plush nova
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I wish I could. But I had no BIS and House of Cards -- I purchased them already. That's awful.

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farm every week and got nothing

delicate perch
vital hound
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whats a good 684 belt

lucid olive
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The delve belt next week

delicate perch
vital hound
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TRUE

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great timing

delicate perch
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so keen to delves!!!

vital hound
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!!!

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do we have to delve

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to get it

delicate perch
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think so ya

vital hound
plush nova
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yea we have to

vital hound
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how many we talkin

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also whats hte timegating

delicate perch
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don't think it's many

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weekly upgrades for a few weeks

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from what I skimmed you can do t1 if you want (insane to do higher if t1 works)

vital hound
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yea thank god

plush nova
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4 I guess. Blz loves 4

vital hound
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i dont think ive done higher before

delicate perch
delicate perch
lofty depot
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what language is that

vital hound
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low dps

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innit

delicate perch
iron chasm
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Finding another piece to craft for embellishment sucks I don’t wanna lose 3 ilvl 😠

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Stupid borrowed power lookin ass

vital hound
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after belt

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im probs just gonna not

hollow mist
elder ridge
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When using Lunar Calling (no solar eclipse but stronger starfire) is it better to use starfire in single target whilst inside of a celestial alignment window due to more damage as well as reduced fury of elune cd from lunar amplification? Or do you Wrath? Since celestial alignment is the only way to have solar eclipse

pallid bay
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starfire

elder ridge
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Gotcha. So wrath is 100% just pressed to proc lunar eclipse

pallid bay
elder ridge
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Incredible, cheers

scenic mist
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Everyday we answer this

fossil hemlock
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(They don't)

scenic mist
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Or rather, i wanna believe

vale pebble
jade flume
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Why read when u can ask here

true viper
vital hound
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@lucid olive @delicate perch

maiden pasture
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Do you have tracking on the website to see how many people view the website @jolly delta

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Would be interesting to see

delicate perch
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login

vital hound
maiden pasture
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Kinda insane tbf

royal zenith
vital hound
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@odd osprey the goat

delicate perch
vital hound
delicate perch
jolly delta
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but that is at launch

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I think expac launch was ~150k, 11.1 ~90k

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that is not-unique visitors iirc so do a 70% of that for unique

scarlet tapir
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I visited 10x a day so yeah...

maiden pasture
scarlet tapir
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So true

white flint
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Is disc belt going to be bis or can I upgrade my mythic track belt?

mighty umbra
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No point to not upgrade gear, you have unlimited crests

maiden pasture
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It will be bis, just maybe not in the first week

pseudo merlin
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It's going to receive some massive buffs

mighty umbra
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200% buff day before release NODDERS

feral dust
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Is there any possibility for circes to stay bis due to the mastery modifier of the gem?

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I mean next season

pseudo merlin
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It's already not bis in any scenario now

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Ah you mean the amplification on a new higher stat baseline?

feral dust
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Yeah

pseudo merlin
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I highly doubt that

feral dust
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Thank u. So what is bis gear currently for balance?

pseudo merlin
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BIS and jastor and moxie (mythic track)

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the rest you just sim

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as always, rely on simming and ignore weights/prios/bis lists

pseudo merlin
feral dust
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Thank u. BIS as bis implies that it is at max ilevel right?

pseudo merlin
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Yeah only on mythic track

feral dust
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Thank u. Cause 681 crafted Simms higher than 671 BIS

pseudo merlin
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Yeah

thin ginkgo
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Hi! Druids playing in the 17-19 bracket, please advise me. In Cinderbrew, do you apply dots to small mobs in the first pools?

feral dust
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So bis rings is jastors and crafted?

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Or jastors and rullete?

misty patrol
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that's a sim angle

pseudo merlin
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Jastors and sim

feral dust
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Thanks

misty patrol
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my sims tell me circlet

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and jastor

delicate perch
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circlet kinda hard to replace for ST keeper

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mdt EC sims can replace it though

misty patrol
vital hound
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ST you need some pretty cool belts/boots

delicate perch
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ya not surprising

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silly ec smh

tardy hare
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0.7% wipe on mugzee yesterday šŸ˜› hello Gallywix today! Haven't progged last boss of mythic in YEARS

round field
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Mugzee actual last boss of mythic

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Gally is 4 fun loot pinata

jade flume
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Gally is a trash ass boss

tardy hare
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Mugzee feels quite easy boss after all the nerfs and players getting buffs. Don't understand how we have over 100 wipes but still feels a bit easy for a "hard boss" šŸ˜„

digital berry
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Well yeah it’s a hard boss but you’re brute forcing it

jade flume
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It was always just a number check boss

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After so many buffs and nerfs it is quite free

tardy hare
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I'd say 90% of our wipes is from blowing bombs too quickly and failing to get all soak rings

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But I guess tonight is the night

jade flume
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šŸ™

turbid tiger
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Wild one _ With details tracking interrupts. With Solar beam.. Is saying a lot less than the cast I'm obviously using - However details, I assume doesn't account for the area affected as well ?
Do i need more button presses. or more effective ones?

delicate perch
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you need to use it while having a mob that is casting as your target

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the "silence" aoe does not count as interrupts there

turbid tiger
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I thought so - There's no way to find it out right - like stops or something ?
Purely numerically it's looks like i've done nothing

delicate perch
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logs might track them better but not really sure on that one, but you get +1 on details if you beam a mob while casting at least

turbid tiger
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Correct but i'm getting into "Discussion" with people saying im not interupting.. but if there are 20 mobs stacked my beam silences them all regardless or not if it interupts?

pallid bay
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regardless

viral veldt
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Guys, how do I see that timeline with spell icons cast during encounter on log? That u usually post here

sudden flame
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click casts then timeline basically

viral veldt
quiet drift
sudden flame
quiet drift
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80% its used as group stop

viral veldt
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Btw any specific plater mod recommended to track which mobs have/don’t have each dot?

orchid ember
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I use jundies

lofty depot
viral veldt
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Yeah I found it šŸ™‚ thanks guys.

pseudo merlin
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might be there

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But also if you have to defend your kick usage to the people you're playing with in this way you probably have different problems

eager raft
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Why do they even need to use details to know if you’re using beam

turbid tiger
turbid tiger
timid hollow
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Hello guys what i should do to get heroic best in slots or to craft 678 staff and to buy house of cards?

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for a new char

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i have eye of kezan hc and mister lock-n-stalk hc for trinkets

jade flume
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Sim it

timid hollow
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I sim

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For 1 min

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Staff and best in slot

orchid ember
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Craft a weapon

timid hollow
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Have same dmg

orchid ember
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681 craft should be better than heroic

timid hollow
orchid ember
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yeah that's one of the options

digital berry
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Ascension slightly better for raid

eager raft
orchid ember
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embellishments you'd have to sim depending on your use case. Linings are more popular for m+ not raid

quiet drift
timid hollow
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I want for m+

quiet drift
orchid ember
# quiet drift

I mean I'm getting the distinct impression a mythic best in slots isn't on the table for OP

quiet drift
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I think if youre crafting wep u just always go Ascension

pallid bay
orchid ember
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Ya

pseudo merlin
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that's crazy

drifting nova
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sim 30seconds

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double dam

lucid olive
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embellishments in general are kinda piss this expansion anyway

pseudo merlin
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Kekkers gets it

viral cobalt
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Hey guys, new to moonkin and i've got the mace from OAB and I've got 2 questions : should I macro it with Incarnation in ST and with Convoke in AOE ? How does the maccro works because i've tryed /use and / cast and none of them work the associate spell ? Thanks a lot for your answers šŸ™‚

lucid olive
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use House of Cards/Priory with Convoke

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use BiS with treants whenever applicable

viral cobalt
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Thanks a lot !

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We don't use this weapon in M+ ?

lucid olive
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you do

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highest priority is using HoC or Priory with Incarn

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then use BiS with Incarn or whenever its available

viral cobalt
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Perfect thanks very much

jade flume
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The most simplest thing would be to just put in incarn macro with trinket, but make sure trinket is before it so it gets prioritisee

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So you could do something like
./use 14
./use 16(not sure about number for weapon)

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Keep in mind that wont necessarily be always fully optimal but better than not using it

viral cobalt
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Okay, super clear thanks a lot šŸ™‚

jade flume
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14 is bottom trinket slot btw

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13 is top one

viral cobalt
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Yeap

grim hull
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how do you decide between dotting everything with sf/mf and saying nah, thats enough ? I heard it is very important to always dot everything, now i heard some skip dotting everything on very big pulls like the 1st one in brewery.

fervent merlin
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Always dot

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Or until fingy is tired I guess

lucid olive
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depends how long the mobs will live

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and then also depends on key level kinda

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you'll always Sunfire everything since mobs are stacked, you can skip Moonfire on some mobs that will die to melee meat grinder in less than 6 seconds

craggy sonnet
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disregarding overalls .. isnt there value in starting to blast the actual pack faster

grim hull
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thanks guys

green cobalt
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Just started balance but I’m confused on the whole dotting every mob, so if tank pulls half room in cinder first room you really dot every single mob with sunfire/moonfire before you start doing rotation?

craggy sonnet
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at least every real mob, yes .. the neutral patron mobs are usually in discussion

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(not really worth)

pseudo merlin
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Did you know camels can drink up to 135 liters of water over a period of 38 minutes, drinking non stop

pseudo merlin
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🫔

green cobalt
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I feel like almost everything would be dead by the time i tab target and dot everything

pseudo merlin
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the answer to your question was about 2 and a half inches above your question

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it always comes down to how long things live really

pseudo merlin
shrewd pivot
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for keys, how do you use bis/hoc. It's fine when you have 2 charges up and can just alternate. but what do you do when you don't

green cobalt
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Ive only done +12s and above on my dk just made a druid during tw so super new to it lol

fossil shard
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then you use on trees moving forward usually

pseudo merlin
shrewd pivot
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in keys

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not raid

fossil shard
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yes

shrewd pivot
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you don't take tree's in keys

fossil shard
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sorry, derp. Meant FOE

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like you send with any damage amp

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it's not going to line up properly

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so you just have to send it

golden belfry
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Use a mouseover macro for moonfire, do that on all real mobs and then sunfire once when they're grouped

molten ember
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why ppl starfall if starsurge does more dmg?

dry compass
molten ember
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yea but surge is like

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milliond

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starfall lower

dry compass
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If surge does X and fall does 0.5x, they're doing the same damage on 2 targets and fall is doing more on 3+ targets

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Even if the tooltip says the number is lower, the context matters

molten ember
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yea but its like 0.02x cause u can just press another starsurge next global

drifting nova
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tooltips are fake

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dont forget

jolly delta
molten ember
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that's what I'm sayinnn

drifting nova
molten ember
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just more starsurges

jolly delta
drifting nova
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oh, cherokee enjoyer I see

jolly delta
golden belfry
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GL

drifting nova
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I wish the treants casted starfall tbh

pseudo merlin
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is this one serious

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this is a bit right

molten ember
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yea sorry I'm feral resident yapping

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gl hf i go diff discord

dry compass
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I don't think it's a bit, but I'm struggling to construct how to phrase this in simple enough terms

jolly delta
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whats the past simple of cast

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illiterate

pseudo merlin
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Kekkers

drifting nova
pseudo merlin
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Btw Vinter you wrongly used Casted in the compendium

dry compass
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It's both

dry compass
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Casted and cast are both valid past tenses in different circumstances

jolly delta
drifting nova
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cast is irregular

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casted is older but still used

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so suck one

pseudo merlin
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There is only 1 usage for the word casted in the English language and it is the following:

  • Being assigned to a caste in the indian cast system
jolly delta
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yeah uuhh thats definitely why I used it in the compendium

pseudo merlin
jolly delta
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i mean

pseudo merlin
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is simply does not exist for spells, throwing stones, casting actors in roles

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etc

jolly delta
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usage defines meaning

molten ember
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ok what if u just said "previously casting" instead

dry compass
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Here we go back into the debate of "does the dictionary or use of the language determine the language"

pseudo merlin
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Nobody uses casted correctly, so within the next decade we will definitely see it just being changed

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That's how language works, that's true

drifting nova
#

it's like you'd probably say burned is the wrong word for burn

dry compass
#

While the dictionary appropriate use is cast, casted is more consistent with verb conjugation elsewhere in the language and it's totally understandable

pseudo merlin
#

I don't disagree with that

thin ginkgo
#

Hi! Druids playing in the 17-19 bracket, please advise me. In Cinderbrew, do you apply dots to small mobs in the first pools?

pseudo merlin
#

But it's still wrong

pseudo merlin
#

there's really no reason to ask this question on a case by case basis because you always default to the rules. With exception of like targets that don't require any damage or whatever.

golden belfry
dry compass
pseudo merlin
dry compass
pseudo merlin
#

Wrong!

dry compass
drifting nova
#

just made me remember my favourite old word that 90% of people say is always wrong

pseudo merlin
#

Out with it then

drifting nova
#

Irregardless

pseudo merlin
#

that's a good one

pseudo merlin
#

This is like a genuine pet peeve of mine so I know for a fact that I saw it

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Is ctrl F fucky on the site

jolly delta
#

no its not

lucid olive
#

Normally have @vital hound help me with it, but more heads is always good

pseudo merlin
#

Sure

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Blizzard should do that too

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latest catch:

dry compass
#

Do you think blizzard reads compendium when they program the one-button rotation

pseudo merlin
#

Doubt it

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I've heard that for some classes it genuinely sucks?

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So I wonder what it's based on

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You'd expect the 1 button and their budget hekili to pull from the same source right

dry compass
#

Have to figure their internal play testers for each spec write up the APL for the engineers to program in?

drifting nova
#

Do blizzarrd read

pseudo merlin
#

šŸ¤“

drifting nova
#

ackshully

dry compass
#

But most of their internal "spec specialists" are pretty mid apparently

drifting nova
#

they dont exist

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so mid is an improvement

pseudo merlin
#

Like there's nothing wrong with working together with the community

drifting nova
#

there is

dry compass
#

They definitely do exist

pseudo merlin
#

Clearly we're doing a lot of things better

dry compass
#

A guy from an old guild of mine got hired onto that team

pseudo merlin
#

I'm talking about people who have verifiably meaningfully contributed Kekkers

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not people like you and I

drifting nova
#

the classic "we have no internal sims" during bfa

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was a fun one

pseudo merlin
#

I've been cross referencing their ret pala balance with WCL data for the past 2 years

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And I found like a 99% match between buffs/nerfs and 50th percentile HC logs

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I figured that's what they were doing for balance changes

drifting nova
#

still waiting for legion

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wake me up from this slumber

pseudo merlin
#

@jolly delta I'm so sorry. I forgot I actually checked out the cat page for a minute too.

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Got them mixed up

jolly delta
#

bitch do I look like a cat

pseudo merlin
#

I mean

jolly delta
#

complain to @loud kettle

pseudo merlin
#

Thought I was going crazy for a minute there

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I guess I did in fact go crazy for a minute, considering I was trying out feral

meager storm
#

Asians started to starfall only cauldron now

pseudo merlin
#

Wait can you actually do that

fossil shard
#

Eventually

pseudo merlin
#

Do you need enough damage to 1 phase

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Or is there a spot where you can only get 1 stack

meager storm
#

no they just tank the debuff

pseudo merlin
#

damn

meager storm
#

they have 49 stacks by the end

dry compass
#

And at least at that time I don't think every spec had a dedicated person

pseudo merlin
#

I mean how fast are the cauldron top kills now 3 minutes?

dry compass
#

Last I heard the guy play testing moonkin was a mage main who got moonkin added to his basket

meager storm
#

they have to be around 4 mins

dry compass
#

Which.... Checks out

meager storm
#

for ur cds

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or u wont do well

pseudo merlin
pseudo merlin
round field
pseudo merlin
#

Because we have no defensives

dry compass
#

I mean Destro and SP don't rely on the bosses being close enough

pseudo merlin
#

and that

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SF is 45 yards right

dry compass
#

You gotta make your tanks work harder for position

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My tanks would laugh at me 🄲

pseudo merlin
#

I wouldnt dare ask

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We wipe on vexie still

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Every week there's a mandatory 1 vexie wipe

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and then bandit mugzee gallywix 1 shot

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and then 1 hour on sprocket

dry compass
#

We've reached the point where we just send every healer cd and live the full energy long enough to get the last bike in

pseudo merlin
#

lmao

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yeah that works

pallid bay
pallid bay
#

No coping please

white chasm
#

How do you guys play Stix? Go into Lunar Eclipse when adds are there, and Solar for the rest of it?

exotic perch
#

ye

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you should have inc for most add sets

white chasm
#

And what about dotting?

exotic perch
#

you just drop trees/inc then spam starfall really

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can dot ones if they are really far but its typically better to spam starfall

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if you get lucky you get the magical 10 starfalls in a row

white chasm
#

Aye okay, thank you! Been tanking this tier, but we fianlly got CE, so I am now allowed to play Boomie instead hah

lucid olive
#

I would just stay perma Solar tbh

white chasm
#

Solar even during Starfalling on adds?

lucid olive
#

Yes

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when you're not in incarn just go solar

exotic perch
#

most adds wont be stacked for starfire actually

lucid olive
#

and press wrath anyway

exotic perch
#

they tend to love to fuck off to africa

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or just straight at you to bite you

white chasm
#

Yeah like Starfires wont hit anything anyways

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So its just gonna be starfall damage

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fair fair, so just play the fight as Solar, but have Incarn + trees ready for adds

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Dot up if they're far away, otherwise dont worry about it

exotic perch
#

yea you can use lorrgs.io to see the cd timing

lucid olive
#

need 3 targets to be hit by Starfire for Lunar to be worth it and most of the adds either die to melee meat cleaver before you can get value from Lunar or are out in africa

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and yeah just wait for the boss to start the electromagnetic sorting cast

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then treants -> incarn+starfall

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and then slam starfall

white chasm
#

never seen that site before

lucid olive
#

with bounteous bloom you'll generate so much AP you won't really have time for other casts

exotic perch
#

bounteous bloom on pull is a blast man

lucid olive
#

can be worth it to try and fit a Wrath cast in to spend Dream Burst

exotic perch
#

machine gun starsurges for like the whole duration

lucid olive
#

it's a fun talent to play but my god it sucks in the context of the rest of the hero tree

exotic perch
#

thats just a symptom of our hero trees being garbage

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and the spec tree being lackluster

lucid olive
#

eventually always desyncs from your other cooldowns and makes you unable to spend dream burst

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too little interactions tied to spending AP so no real value in generating a buttload of it

white chasm
#

Does alot of people bind Nature's Vigil to Incarn?

lucid olive
#

yes

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think i have natures vigil macro'd to like 3 different stuff

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treants, trinket and CA/incarn

white chasm
#

Makes sense makes sense

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Gotta get back into this

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Still trying to convince my RL we need a boomie

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But "What do they even bring to a raid, that you cant do on your shaman?"

lofty depot
#

Well u need a druid not a boomie

exotic perch
#

shaman brings skyfury tho

white chasm
exotic perch
#

huge raid buffs

white chasm
#

And we got another Ele Shaman

round field
exotic perch
#

no

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you play what you like

round field
#

Idk

white chasm
#

We already got a shaman tho lol

exotic perch
#

fuck them haters

round field
#

Quit game

white chasm
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No boomie at all

lucid olive
#

Spy is right

white chasm
#

So its time to shine and convince him boomie is good

lucid olive
#

you play the spec that you feel is the most fun

round field
#

Yea but you sont need a boomie

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Boomie is dogshit

exotic perch
#

if you arent top 10 in the world play w/e you want man

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its your 15 dollars

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have fun

white chasm
#

yeyeye makes sense

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cba changing guilds etc

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So im just here for the ride. Cant be bothered pushing higher than 16's anyways, so its just raid logging at this point

hollow ravine
#

Hi, I have a question regarding mythic+ dungeons. I just want to know if I'm doing this right. When we get to a group, I'm entering lunar eclipse, then making sure every one of them has both sunfire and moonfire on them, but also popping starfall inbetween to make sure I don't cap AP. Then once they are all dotted, I am continuing starfall and starfire as normal. Is that the right way to approach a new pack (CDs notwithstanding)?

lofty depot
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If u can enter lunar before combat yes

hollow ravine
#

and if I'm not already in lunar, should I dot first, then enter lunar?

lofty depot
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Yes

hollow ravine
#

gotcha, ok

pseudo merlin
#

You'd only moonfire while things are being gathered up, on targets that live long enough, then a single sunfire when they're gathered up

hollow ravine
#

thank you very much

lofty depot
#

Read the prio list

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It's the first thing

hollow ravine
#

Where's that, wowhead?

pseudo merlin
#

skip wowhead

lofty depot
#

spit no, in the pins called compendium

hollow ravine
#

ah! amazing, thank you. Apologies for not seeing this

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oh, this is much more comprehensive than wowhead

pseudo merlin
#

Yeah it's written by real moonkins

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Wowhead is Tettles lulw

lofty depot
pseudo merlin
#

jk tettles is the man

shrewd pivot
#

how far is the range on moonfire from trees

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like if i drop them in the middle of 3 bandit adds, will they hit all 3 before running to melee stuff

lucid olive
#

some of them might moonfire same one

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i usually drop it them on the add that melee is not running to

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like if the adds you kill are middle/right, then melee goes right, and i'll drop trees between left/middle

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doesn't always work out cause the treant AI kinda sucks but it's what i do at least

winter tapir
#

the ai sucks your trees sit there moonfiring the shocker add over and over instead of reapplying moonfire to mugzee

timid hollow
#

house of cards work better with eye or what other trinket for m+?

lucid olive
#

it works with every trinket

timid hollow
#

yeah but wich one is better for m+?

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to have for 2nd trink

winter tapir
#

If you stand far enough from gally do you not bait the frontal? Does anyone know

lucid olive
#

if you're standing alone it won't bait on you

winter tapir
#

Im watching rank 1 parse and he just never moves and the frontal never goes on him

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how can i compete hehe

lucid olive
#

just don't bait it

winter tapir
#

crazy i guess good to know can just not participate if everyone else does

drifting nova
#

ignore all mechanics

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pump dam

winter tapir
#

thats the goal garfield

drifting nova
lofty depot
winter tapir
digital berry
#

Rank 1 means super lucky with rng and mechanics and tons of greeding

winter tapir
#

eh idk its not that much luck

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hes 200k dps above me im doing a bomb and have 2 more dps in my raid

digital berry
#

Gally parsing is also 50% how shit your group is at aoe

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You can pad on adds like there’s no tomorrow if they don’t explode in melee

round field
#

Why are u doing bomb

winter tapir
#

cause i dont die garf

lofty depot
#

"hate being dependable man"

sudden pawn
#

he does a bomb cause he is the bomb

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:)

winter tapir
#

I think i wont do it for this reclear but ye

lucid olive
#

I did bomb for a couple reclears too

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its not like you soak frontals as a moonkin anyway

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and the risk of dying isnt that high unless you walk through shit on the ground

winter tapir
#

i have been doing the first one, its not terrible. just lose some globals picking it up and getting back

pure python
#

Heard rumors that Eclipse will disappear next expansion, no cap.

lofty depot
#

Thank you random person that hasn't said anything in 9 months

#

I will take this and spread misinformation now

shrewd pivot
#

but he said no cap

lucid olive
#

uncapped eclipse?

pure python
#

no cap

lofty depot
#

No cap to eclipse

pure python
#

just double eclipse all the time

lofty depot
#

Blessing of the ancient type shit

lucid olive
#

crazy that mage players perma complain having to hard cast Pyroblast whenever SKB is good that hard casting is cringe

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but moonkin has to cast 2 of them bitches every 15 seconds

lofty depot
#

I hard cast like 20 fireballs a fight

shrewd pivot
#

starfire might be the most unsatisfying button in the game, at least it does damage in aoe now

lofty depot
#

It's hard out here

shrewd pivot
#

give me venythr boomkin levels of haste

quiet drift
#

🤢

shrewd pivot
#

where starfire was shorter than a gcd

pure python
#

just make balance druid like it was in MoP, ah yeah mop classic is releasing

quiet drift
#

That spec stinks

#

even worse

#

Cata Moonkin is better lowk

shrewd pivot
#

bring back cast while moving in starfall

pure python
quiet drift
#

It might be fun later tiers

#

But man current tier

#

2s Starfire casts and 13s dots

#

wtf

shrewd pivot
#

was venthyr the last time balance was a great raid spec

#

not just an aoe bot

lucid olive
#

or do i misremember

shrewd pivot
#

was boomkin punished in raid since venthyrs sins

quiet drift
#

Lost interest on first talent changes

lucid olive
#

they tried adding that talent back btw a few patches ago ICANT

pallid bay
#

based

lucid olive
#

Eclipse wasn't as cringe when we used Warrior of Elune to go back into Solar

#

but it's still fundamentally unfun gameplay

lofty depot
#

Aberrus was based

lucid olive
#

did that in amirdrassil too

lofty depot
#

Yea but it was more fun in aberrus

#

Cancel gang

lucid olive
#

nah amirdrassil had more fun tier set

quiet drift
#

Wasnt Aberrus already this gameplay

#

Wrath simulator

lucid olive
#

eh not really

#

not as egregious as it is now

shrewd pivot
#

looking at mugzee logs, some of you ppl are exteremely unethical

#

smh

#

(shockbot damage)

proven swallow
#

hey guys wild question, is there a limit (soft/hard) on how much you can overlap starfalls?

lucid olive
#

yes

#

20

#

but you'll never reach it

proven swallow
#

regards, someone who played this spec since mop

#

ah ok

#

so just press away? theres no diminishing returns or anything right

winter tapir
lucid olive
# quiet drift Wasnt Aberrus already this gameplay

first patch of Aberrus you played FoE and Radiant Moonlight and cancelaurad Pulsar at a certain amount of stacks in opener you could line up every Pulsar with FoE, and then cancelling Starlord was more than a 0.05% gain so people did that too

#

2nd patch of Aberrus and all the way until TWW pre-patch you played Full Moon instead and just pooled moon charges so you had all 3 in pulsar

#

and used Warrior of Elune to cycle into Solar so you didn't get turbo fucked having to hard cast Starfire to get back

lucid olive
#

oh yeah true

quiet drift
#

Atleast Convoke wasnt a button

lofty depot
#

Big gamer innit

quiet drift
#

Saving grace

lucid olive
#

had to cancel warrior of elune cause the cooldown didn't start until you had used all 3 charges

lofty depot
#

And u got more from it every other eclipse because pulsar kek

#

Good times

lucid olive
#

and they fixed that and then changed how some other interactions worked with entering/exiting eclipse

lofty depot
#

Yea they hate fun

lucid olive
#

like the old Nature's Grace that would give you haste upon exiting an Eclipse got changed so it didn't proc from getting Pulsar during an Eclipse

limpid kindle
#

Hey long time lurker in here. Was curious if anyone who plays at a higher level is open to being a mentor at all. Currently progging mythic gallywix. Also not sure if this is a good channel to ask this in

lucid olive
#

Radiant Moonlight was also bugged where the 2nd Full Moon could get eaten up by Orbit Breaker

lofty depot
lucid olive
#

can also ask questions in here about specifics

shrewd pivot
#

how far apart are bandit adds, 1 minute?

limpid kindle
#

Awesome thanks

lucid olive
#

lorrgs has the timers

shrewd pivot
#

yea i was looking but they didn't really overlap adds and trees much

lucid olive
#

yeah but you get the answer to your question by looking at the timers there

winter tapir
#

its about 50s between each reward

#

bandit is very weird you need to find a log that is doing the same order as you, theres a lot of different orders these days with turbo boost gear

shrewd pivot
#

cd use just seems weird, like not waiting 10 seconds to line up with 2 minute adds

digital berry
#

Bandit parsing is beyond cringe

winter tapir
#

spin to win is when the 3 assistants come in, click to show 'reward' and you'll see why they press the buttons when they do

shrewd pivot
#

Isn't that just 3 adds too

lucid olive
#

theyre sending full CDs on pull

winter tapir
#

depends on the reward

lucid olive
#

then treants on 1st or 2nd adds when it comes up

#

then full CDs again when the 5 CC immune bomb adds come

shrewd pivot
#

I guess ppl are still doing the cc immune adds

winter tapir
#

most of the top parses will for sure be playing the cc immune adds

meager storm
#

thank god is getting removed next week

lucid olive
#

cringe

shrewd pivot
#

did ppl actually vote that

winter tapir
#

is there a list of what they are changing for 11.1.7 on WCL?

lucid olive
#

not confirmed yet

shrewd pivot
#

who cares if ppl pad on mugzee oab on farm

lucid olive
#

but the playerbase are stupid and will always vote to remove adds or remove bosses from all star

shrewd pivot
#

if they want to pad they pad

winter tapir
#

the mugzee one is weird, with convoke its so annoying those adds even exist

shrewd pivot
#

just remove adds from every fight on wcl, every fight is now st

lucid olive
#

and it leads to people ignoring adds because damage on them doesn't help their parse

#

like rashanan adds going wild because they got removed

shrewd pivot
#

the same thing happened on rashanan

#

and its going to happen again

#

stix shouldn't even be remove from wcl(they shouldn't touch anything tbh)

#

can they remove gally intermission adds too since i don't even get to the 2nd set anymore

#

would be great

lucid olive
#

people trying to preserve some sacred integrity in the all star rank

shrewd pivot
#

all star rank has always been about padding

#

its nothing new

lucid olive
#

when the 50-60 best players from every spec just private log anyway

shrewd pivot
#

its probably not that many playaers

#

players*

lucid olive
#

more than you think innit

winter tapir
#

it probably is

#

might be even more to be honest

shrewd pivot
#

for specs where ppl only run 1 of, 60 guilds aren't private logging

#

well, 60 are

#

but thats not the top 60 players

maiden pasture
lucid olive
#

also if you're doing the 4m push on mug'zee you don't really need boss dmg anyway

#

so i wouldn't call convoking the 2nd add set unethical

winter tapir
#

depending on your players you might even want less boss damage to not push early on the 2nd set of jails

#

so its actually the most ethical thing you could do

shrewd pivot
#

dont most ppl do the 3 minute strat now

digital berry
eager raft
#

parsing culture

digital berry
#

Parsing is fun if it doesn’t involve serious amounts of over the top cringe setups and such

lucid olive
#

that's just playing the best you can to kill the boss

#

which is what you should be doing innit

digital berry
#

Yeah but playing the best on some fight doesn’t get you a good parse

eager raft
#

is it playing the best I can when I stop hitting mugzee to go blow the add up while it takes extra damage when our 3m push timing is a bit tight

#

That doesn’t feel like the best thing I could be doing

lucid olive
#

parses value should be to show yourself that you did well on a fight but people just don't treat it like that

#

and thats unfortunate

eager raft
#

Utopian thinking

#

It’s just natural for it to turn into doing whatever it takes to get big numby

lucid olive
#

should just add back shit like turbo stacking PI

lucid olive
#

so the right thing to do would be to stop trying to force some integrity into all star

#

and just have the can open and the worms frollicking

drifting nova
#

there is no integrity in parsers

obsidian tapir
#

does somebody is cute enough to give me a macro for escaping jails for mugzee ?

digital berry
#

We might start attempting the 3min push ourselves too

eager raft
obsidian tapir
#

let me try it pls ā¤ļø

eager raft
#

Boss is tanked too close to the rings typically

digital berry
lucid olive
#

you have to wild charge on healer at 0.5s of the timer

obsidian tapir
#

we kill too fast the adds

eager raft
#

Any early you fuck up cage positioning

#

Any later u miss it

lucid olive
#

do something like

#showtooltip
/cancelaura Moonkin Form
/cast [@NAMEOFHEALER] Wild Charge
#

i think?

eager raft
#

Yes

lucid olive
#

can probably write that better i haven't bothered

obsidian tapir
#

oki got it thank you, I will not try then if you all say it its dogshiet

#

I appreciate your help guys ā¤ļø

drifting nova
#

no, try it

#

you cant ask the question

#

then not use it

obsidian tapir
#

haha

#

lets me try it

#

if I fuck up the cage I will blame you guys =))

bronze tartan
#

is control the dream still bugged that you need to swap talents after each wipe?

eager raft
bronze tartan
#

ok!

pseudo merlin
#

dinaros are for losers

maiden pasture
#

🐐

shrewd pivot
#

there is like 1 cage of the fight now other than the last one in p2 that you are hard assigned to

#

if you get the rng of going in that 1 cage, it is what it is

meager storm
lofty depot
lucid olive
meager storm
#

u responded to him talking about cringe set ups

#

what else can i get from it

lucid olive
#

and forcing add pylon and having single player kill them alone is cringe set up

meager storm
#

thats what i just said

#

what

lucid olive
#

yes so you aren't trying your best to kill the boss

#

so hows your reply to me

#

relevant

#

when we agree

#

and why does the number on the parse then matter at all

meager storm
#

ok this has to be ragebait

#

i will go play dota

drifting nova
#

dota? ranked fall guys is out

#

hop on

clever vigil
lofty depot
#

i have notis on for adept tweets for a reason

#

only tweets bangers

clever vigil
#

my man

eager raft
scarlet tapir
#

just need to do it on 19

#

and its gg

#

@eager raft

#

will i do it

eager raft
#

good job twist you can do it i believe

scarlet tapir
#

i dont

eager raft
#

believe in urself and u can do anything

coarse echo
#

Running an ALL Druid heroic raid tonight for fun. Looking for a few more, shoot me a message if interested. Master class raid at 8pm pst.

scarlet tapir
#

26 convokes into the boss

#

surely it dies

coarse echo
#

That’s what I want! Join me!!!

pseudo merlin
#

Belt bufferinos, called it

stone ledge
maiden pasture
#

didnt spawn fiery booty adds at all