balance

[livid jay]

is that cd viewer tool out btw?

[fiery harness]

oh so i just don't use the embellishment on my weapon?

[livid jay]

or is it dead and buried

[jolly delta]

dreamgrove.gg/planner

the tutorial is broken

😦

[livid jay]

"quick tutorial" xD

love it tho thanks im gonna check it out

[jolly delta]

zoomer generation

takes less than 60s

(its broken)

[livid jay]

ohhh it just goes through the elements i see

[jolly delta]

yeah it should import the spells

but its not doing it

[livid jay]

ah thats why the last like 10 steps say something but show nothign

[pallid bay]

should make it 4 steps, every 4th you just increase the max by 2 until 17

bait these zoomers..

[livid jay]

god damn this shits goated good idea oi and good work vinter xD

now it just needs a shortcut to the current trinkets everybodies using

and a button to export my current planned cds into some string that i can import later (or to import from mrt export)

[jolly delta]

you can add the trinkets as custom spells

[jolly delta]

yeah that's coming

[livid jay]

oh and a fight length limiter 😄

for the timeline warnings

[jolly delta]

ye Oi already complained

its in the backlog somewhere

[livid jay]

pog

[jolly delta]

fixed btw

[livid jay]

gg

[jolly delta]

time to redo the tutorial whoop whoop

[livid jay]

needs a retrigger tutorial button, gotta clear data 😄

[jolly delta]

yee was low prio didnt do it

[white flint]

hi question on signet vs HoC, if I got it right, Signet has issues in the APL, so basically if comparing same ilvl, signet could be slighthly better even if it sims a tad bit lower?

[round field]

signet does not have issues with the apl?

[rancid glen]

Anyone running with Neural Synapse Enhancer? Just got it today in vault and gonna try it with passive trinkets. Do you just macro it to all major / minor CDs?

[calm ibex]

You probably shouldn’t

Run it I mean

If I were to I’d macro it to trees or starsurge

[rancid glen]

I took it over a 684 wax versa trinket and a 684 haste mastery neck >< fml

[sudden flame]

always sim the vault

[calm ibex]

Oh no

[rancid glen]

I did, and still somehow got it after talking to some guildies lol

[calm ibex]

Those guildies do not want what’s best for you

F

[rancid glen]

No chance to ask for a vault refund ye? 🤧

[calm ibex]

Nope you bricked it

[fossil hemlock]

Yo that's sick. I noticed that if I change it to show time as MM:SS it still shows the start/end while lifting a spell in just seconds

[jolly delta]

ty

[fossil hemlock]

[jolly delta]

(bear is coming in a bit btw)

[fresh crest]

How do you moonfire on the first cinderbrew pull?

[fossil hemlock]

[rancid glen]

Aye I’ll play around with it a bit and see how it performs

[calm ibex]

Just sim my man

[rancid glen]

-0.2% 684 vs current 681 mh + 665 oh ><

[calm ibex]

Always sim first

Always

Make a crafted 681 2h

[rancid glen]

The funny part is I did, but decider to follow guildies’s advice lmao

[calm ibex]

It’ll be better

What did the guildies say

[rancid glen]

That Neural is BiS with 2 passive trinkets

[jolly delta]

"sim bait"

[fossil hemlock]

I bet that's cursed mage knowledge that doesn't apply to us

[rancid glen]

So I thought, ok fuck signet and I’ll run skardin + mugs

[calm ibex]

Nope

Best-in-slot is bis

Myth I mean

Barring that it’s crafted with accession

[rancid glen]

Aye but still haven’t killed OAB, we’re still so early in the season 😑

[calm ibex]

Then make a craft 2h

And always trust the sims

[rancid glen]

Thanks my man I think I’ll ditch this thing (i even wasted crests on it) and just craft 2h and suck it up for the bricked vault

[calm ibex]

If your guildies are telling you a shit weapon is bis don’t take their advice

Are they arcane mages or something

I believe they run it

[rancid glen]

Play both arcane and boomie

Maybe mixed up knowledge for the two specs

[calm ibex]

Yup

[rancid glen]

🫠

[jolly delta]

I would never trust a guildie

[rancid glen]

Both trinket and neckpiece simmed 1.5 - 2% higher

Well thanks guys anyway 😄

[calm ibex]

Tell them they’re dumb and always trust the sims

If you feel something is wrong just link the sim here someone will figure it out

[verbal iris]

Mythic Wax or HC HoC sims was kinda similar

[lofty depot]

If they're similar then pick which one u prefer....

[placid lantern]

Can anyone take a look at this 18 Cinder and lmk if you see any glaring issues. I know uptime / cancelled casts could be better but I think there's something more going on. Thanks. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1Qwta69CDLh32rJy?fight=1&type=damage-done

[plush prairie]

😢 another token week

[pearl yacht]

Guys 1 fast quest . I have signet trinket mythic and I have house of card hero what is better do I need the extra intellect from mythic or coldown??

Sim saying signet

But the low coldown on house of card is helpful

[plush prairie]

I use best in slots and house of cards because cd with every cd basically

[dapper nest]

Hello fellow balancers

Do we need mythic pacemaker?

[pearl yacht]

Well I am using bis on small pack 😅

Specially in between big packs

[sudden flame]

considering its agi or strength only

[leaden birch]

thats agil no?

[boreal remnant]

When are you suppose to use the on use of best-in-slots weapon? it's shares internal cd with hoc so with every second inca? i tried to look up logs from other players but i can't find the on use on the casts timeline and do we wait for specific stats or just send it?

[plush prairie]

I do it 2nd incarn

but i'm not the best

[dapper nest]

Brain crashed

Thanks

[leaden birch]

look at buffs in logs

you will see the 'cheating' buff

[boreal remnant]

thanks that works

[empty locust]

Hello guys let me ask

If i am in this situation on AOE:

• FOE needs ~3 sec to be ready
• My previous eclipse has ended
• Its a good time to send incarn
• Nothing needs doting - theres no reason to use dots outside of just as a filler spell
  What do i do for those 3 sec ? use starfire although it will consume one Natures Grace ? Use dots to just wait out the FOE ? Whats the better choice here ? Cuz usually i wanna keep 2xNG for the incarn so im confused what to spend on those gcds

[lofty depot]

2ne incarn and then 245 trees

[lofty depot]

Enter eclipse and wait for foe to be ready, then foe Starfall incarn

[crisp badger]

i had this exact question for a long time now. i haven't really gotten an aswer in terms of overall damage, but from a pack to pack perspective it feels like cards is just better because you don't need to hold incarn for it to line up with signet. sometimes you encounter a situation where you havei ncarn up but not signet, and you just pulled a pack, 20s later your signet is up but the pack is already 50% hp

[lofty depot]

Ur in combat ur not saving said ng stacka

[empty locust]

so in that case im sending incarn without NG stacks

[lofty depot]

Well in such a way, unless it's a boss, I'm generally not in the middle of combat sending incarn

[empty locust]

sometimes i wait my HOC to line up with incarn so i use incarn bit later

[lofty depot]

But yes and NG stacks aren't that big of an increase

Why is hoc desyncd from incarn

[crisp badger]

hoc cd is 1.5 mins incarn is 1.7

it desyncs a bit eventually

[lofty depot]

He said he's waiting for hoc

Not waiting for incarn

[crisp badger]

oh

then idk

[plush prairie]

Am I just perma stuck with circlet? every single item I have simmed is worse, double crafted, crafted + myth

[empty locust]

some pulls desync it like these tank going right for example in rookery after first pull

[lofty depot]

That's not how math works

[empty locust]

then i send one incarn first pull and second incarn has 20 sec for hoc to be up again

so sometimes im like ima go 1 eclipse and then send incarn+hoc again

[lofty depot]

U send 2nd incarn without hoc and u don't worry about the line up

Then every other one lines up

[empty locust]

but would probably lign up with 3rd one anyway

[lofty depot]

Yes?

[crisp badger]

should be every other incarn always

i think

[lofty depot]

In raid yes

[crisp badger]

ever since i got card i just threw it into a incarn macro and forgot about it

[lofty depot]

Basically

[plush prairie]

Hmm, I sim both 1t 5m for m+ and raid

[lofty depot]

Well in raid u keep cyrce, in a MDT sim it can change

And in m+ the difference is small between a few rings and stam is likely more efficient than 0.2% dam diff

[crisp badger]

since we're on the topic of NG, if you are able to, is it better to optimize incarn for NG or for sundered firmament?

[plush prairie]

Yeah true that actually

[lofty depot]

Prefer ng

[crisp badger]

prefer as in, it feels better or it does more damage

[lofty depot]

Why not both

[crisp badger]

[lofty depot]

The difference is pretty small

It's the difference in possibly 1-2 extra starfires vs 1 25% eff foe

• the boundless

[crisp badger]

maybe for large pulls sundered firm is better due to boundless?

[lofty depot]

Gamz simmed it once or somethjnf

[crisp badger]

oh cool

[lofty depot]

Foe before incarn

Global should be starfall

Waste ng stacks with the woe

Hmm

All kinda weird cast sequences

[plush prairie]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/92REdb3cv7QyHTqpx2jzD4 my sim rn, I have a socketed wrist 681 crafted, and I have a myth haste mastery wrist in vault, do I take socket now and just leave the wrist and put it on my waist or something else, or do I just take the wrist take the dps loss atm and then when I can socket it again, it will be an increase

[crisp badger]

those look like mistakes to me, sometimes i accidentally cast 3 wraths too due to spell queue and button mash

[lofty depot]

Didn't need to enter eclipse here

[crisp badger]

maybe he's optimizing sundered firmament

[lofty depot]

Didn't ask

[empty locust]

thats only worth outside combat i think as its not worth to lose NG stacks for it

[crisp badger]

yeah that's the answer i got from here, but perhaps some dont know

[placid lantern]

Yeah, that's what I've been doing, makes sense

[plush prairie]

so as soon as we are ready to press cds mid combat we don't go into eclipse first then incarn?

[lofty depot]

Read the how to use nature's grace section of the compendium

[crisp badger]

it's good to understand how people think if you want to correct mistakes, otherwise it's just rote learning

[lofty depot]

Why do u need to go into eclipse

[plush prairie]

Idk I've always done it for some reason

[crisp badger]

ok mr cool edgy man

[jovial hare]

Mr cool edgy man didn't ask

[crisp badger]

[lofty depot]

Ok, so the reason u don't is ng stacks vs sundered cycling

[plush prairie]

Ah okay I see, yeah I just read the bit on dreamgrove about it

Idk why I have been doing that tho, maybe just from opener when you do 2 wraths idk

[lofty depot]

I always preferred getting into CDs as quickly as possible as well

[crisp badger]

you prob read/watched a guide where they said cycling through eclipse as much as possible is good

because of sudnered firm

[lofty depot]

The opener 2x wrath isn't the same reasoning as that

[plush prairie]

Ah right gotcha yeah i'm stupid lol

[plush prairie]

Yeah I know but idk my brain is quite smooth

[lofty depot]

The opener casts are because of travel time and free damage.

If u don't use CDs on pull, ur suppose to go into solar so u don't double wrarh

[plush prairie]

Okay that makes sense

[placid lantern]

What's the purpose of FOE after incarn?

[plush prairie]

Appreciate that

[lofty depot]

The sentence clearly says before

[placid lantern]

the picture you posted with it i used it before

?

[crisp badger]

globals in incarn are precious and you want to spend it on starfall or starfire

[lofty depot]

No, u used it on the gcd

[placid lantern]

so what was the correction

[crisp badger]

that's basically it

[lofty depot]

U want to use it before it

[placid lantern]

Idk what you mean by this then, I pressed FoE then incarn

[lofty depot]

So u know what a global means

[placid lantern]

yes

[lofty depot]

Ok so foe is a global

[jovial hare]

It takes a gcd so since you pressed it almost the same time your gcd is rolling going into it

[orchid ember]

You pressed them in the same global

[jovial hare]

So you lose time in incarn because of that

[lofty depot]

U want to press foe then Starfall incarn

[placid lantern]

this makes sense, thank you

[orchid ember]

Instead of FoE in 1 global then CA + literally anything with a gcd in the next global

[lofty depot]

The globals inside incarn are inportant

[orchid ember]

Very

[lofty depot]

U'll lose a Starfire cast doing it like that

[pallid bay]

need people to stop giving a shit about NG and firmament and instead play their characters

[crisp badger]

i can't remember who the streamer was but i watched a bootcamp vid with nagura and some high rated boomkin, and they said something along the lines of "you never decide whether you hold your incarn based on FoE"

[leaden birch]

prob tettles

[lofty depot]

Lol people started caring. But then screw up the actual important stuff

[crisp badger]

find that a bit weird given the information we just discussed

[lucid olive]

Krona

[lofty depot]

"guys I'm minmaxing"

[lucid olive]

And he's right

[leaden birch]

oh right she did a vid with krona

the goat

[crisp badger]

he is? but like, if FoE comes up in the middle of your incarn

do you pop it then?

[lucid olive]

Yes

[crisp badger]

ok, so there are situations where it makes sense to pop foe in incarn

[lucid olive]

Using FoE before Incarn just applies if they're both available at the same time

[lofty depot]

Well it doesn't come up in the middle of it

It comes back up at the end

[placid lantern]

Okay, so:
-separate my incarn from FOE with one starfall
-dont waste ng stacks with WOE
-pay attention dont accidentally cast triples wraths
Thanks for the feedback @lofty depot

[crisp badger]

i don't see why it can't come up in the middle

[lofty depot]

U use foe at the start of incarn so it's never coming up "in the middle"

[drifting nova]

lord help you taking advice from arctic

[pallid bay]

-separate my incarn from FOE with one starfall
what does that mean

[drifting nova]

🙈

[crisp badger]

what about desyncs from pack to pack down time?

[crisp badger]

like a pack at 30% you pop foe but hold incarn for next pack

or is that a mistake

[lucid olive]

That's fine

[lofty depot]

That's fine

[pallid bay]

this discussion seems

[lofty depot]

Foe will be up at the start of next pack

[pallid bay]

unnecessary

[lofty depot]

Idk why u think it wouldn't be

[crisp badger]

hmm idk, i'm pretty sure ivé had situations where that's not the case

[pallid bay]

you walk up to a pack, you dot the pack, you foe when its ready, you incarn if you want to incarn this pack

you continue with your rotation

[crisp badger]

i just recall there are times i want to incarn but foe is like 10s on cd or something

[lucid olive]

It's really not that deep, the spec is incredibly simple and people love to overcomplicate it

[lofty depot]

U pressed it at 30% of a pack and don't have it for next pack after dotting?

[crisp badger]

yeah, perhaps it has to do with the level of the key

[lofty depot]

Is a do higher keys angle I suppose

[crisp badger]

~16 ish

[lofty depot]

Should be fine

Show vod

[crisp badger]

guess i'll have to record

[lofty depot]

U can press foe 99% of the time and it'll be up when u need it

The except is when the pack dies like 3 globals later

30% isn't that

[drifting nova]

or you foe a rat and the beam doesnt move after

(not me)

[crisp badger]

you know this discord is super helpful, but damn some of you really have this holier than thou attitude for no reason

its pretty off putting

thanks a lot for the answers tho

[lucid olive]

Welcome

[lofty depot]

Get mad about that

[crisp badger]

[lucid olive]

Hope you enjoy your stay

[drifting nova]

quick, wheres the toxic pasta

[lofty depot]

Also kekkers was trolling with a pasta

[lucid olive]

Whatever Arctic says you should ignore like 90% of it

[lofty depot]

So that's a crazy crash out

[drifting nova]

???

[lofty depot]

Shut up bitch

[drifting nova]

I'm 50/50 right/wrong

you're just wrong

unlucky ig

[jovial hare]

Ok but like Green is higher than orange sooo

[lofty depot]

Yea but he's only green cuz sune left so

[drifting nova]

any day now I''ll be purp

[lucid olive]

Give Kekkers admin please

He would free paper

[jovial hare]

https://tenor.com/view/veeunus-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-done-gif-24674884

[lofty depot]

And don't be mistaken, none of the greens actually care about being green. They would all prefer to be white name again

[drifting nova]

paper went?

[lofty depot]

Home

To the mother land

[drifting nova]

to uluru?

[lofty depot]

No, the peaks of names a mountain range in New Zealand

[drifting nova]

wagatui

imagine not knowing your rocks

[lofty depot]

Only rock I know is the Dwayne Johnson one

[pallid bay]

real

[crisp badger]

tbf arctic is the only person who consistently answers all my quetsions

in a well informed manner too

[lofty depot]

Gamz only bully's me because his other friends can't take it

That's on jah

[lofty depot]

That's crazy

[crisp badger]

i know

[pallid bay]

that is indeed crazy

[lofty depot]

Blud drinking some koolaid

[drifting nova]

local babbler tho

[lofty depot]

slurp slurp

[crisp badger]

i mean you're all pretty condescending but at least arctic is helpful

[pallid bay]

im not condescending man

heck u

[drifting nova]

woah, toxic

I prefer not to speak

or big trouble

[lofty depot]

Songbird type shit

[whole vector]

are we nerfed yet ? 😄 I am on vac.

[lofty depot]

No

[drifting nova]

song what now

[crisp badger]

are we expecting a nerf

[lofty depot]

M+ maybe

[crisp badger]

i feel like dks are looking a bit more nerfable

[lofty depot]

Doubtful

Everything is within a few percents

[signal temple]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-cat-yap-yapper-yapping-gif-5642199211123099306

[lofty depot]

It clearly says song bird

[lucid olive]

think you're confusing helpful with "rolls a 20 sided dice to find out how much he's going to roast this guy and then sends screenshots of the rotation prio in the guide over and over"

[lofty depot]

Type shit

[iron chasm]

All helpful people get banned
Paper, hytes, kekkers

[lofty depot]

Kekkers isn't banned

Turtle wasn't helpful

[lucid olive]

and it would be a lot more helpful to learn that minmaxing dreamstate and firmament is like 0.1% swings

[lofty depot]

But swing

[lucid olive]

and the reason you're doing bad damage in your keys is because you're spending time outside of Eclipse and not planning well enough for movement

[iron chasm]

He is after he thought paper was from Australia and went to Uluru considering his thick kiwi accent

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/stallipiano-gif-8633409668543310298

[lofty depot]

0.1% 20 times in a dungeon is 2%

That's big dam

[lucid olive]

its really not

[crisp badger]

sometimes it's not about bad damage, it's just about how can i get more

[lofty depot]

Massive if u will

[lucid olive]

and you can get more by just playing your character

[lofty depot]

By playing correctly

[lucid olive]

and not worrying too much

[iron chasm]

You just gotta hit your buttons man it’s not that deep dw

[lucid olive]

reminder that arctic plays mage

[drifting nova]

soon to be 1 button

[crisp badger]

i mean, you yourself said you need to worry about positioning, maximize uptime

[iron chasm]

Don’t you dare

[lofty depot]

The gaps in incarn, the cast sequencing between eclipses and waste of asp will lose u more damage

[drifting nova]

positioning mishing

[iron chasm]

Position well and you get more uptime

[dusk isle]

How do you guys sim crafted items

[lucid olive]

item search box in top gear

[iron chasm]

Add to top gear with top left search bar

[crisp badger]

yes that's the point

[lofty depot]

Like every person that asks for help uses under 10 wild charges a key

[vagrant cove]

Guys why can't we just both play correctly AND min max for the minuscule increases

2 sources of damage increase is better than 1

[lofty depot]

Cuz the people asking don't both play correctly and maximize it corrcetly

[lucid olive]

even the 4k IO andys don't do all that

[crisp badger]

idk, im pretty happy with my uptime

im just asking to see what else i can do

[iron chasm]

Just dot the enemy, use funny moon bean, hit starfall, and starfire

[lofty depot]

Well someone posted a log but looking at an m+ log in the phone after the first pull is not fun

[lofty depot]

Don't incarn? Ok

[iron chasm]

Bro

[lofty depot]

Rekt bud

[iron chasm]

Orange name is trolling me ?

[vagrant cove]

I saw someone post a macro earlier that cancelauras dreamstate when you cast wrath, something like that is a very small increase but its completely passive so sharing that when people ask for tiny increases is probably a good idea right?

[lofty depot]

It's in the compendium

[drifting nova]

honestly, no

[vagrant cove]

What's a compendium I'm new here

[drifting nova]

B O O K

[lofty depot]

Pinned at the top of the chat where all important things are

[vagrant cove]

Oh appreciate it tyty

[jovial hare]

Compend-eez

Jk I love it here (I don't)

[digital berry]

It’s passive but also useless unless you know when and how

And it’s a minuscule dps increase that someone who is dotting inside eclipse of missing 6 casts of foe a key absolutely shouldn’t focus on

[leaden birch]

damn

you didn't have to murder them like that 😭

[digital berry]

People want to copy dwilkz’s tech when they cast 4 starfire per incarn

[leaden birch]

I'm not even sure what dwilkz does thats super crazy

doesn't he just meld for more NG stax

[digital berry]

Tbf it’s almost always about wrathing out of combat to cycle firmament while keeping ng

[fervent merlin]

I don’t think he even does that a lot if he does

[leaden birch]

I don't even bother with that shit tbh

especially not in pugs

I'm too lazy to try and precast 2x wrath

[round field]

he doesnt

spec is

astro braindead

but people overthink it for som reason

[crisp badger]

its not like people are making shit up, there are small min maxes that you can do so what's wrong with asking about that even if it's not the biggest factor in their lack of performance

[round field]

because

the people who ask about it

cant press their fillers properly

[digital berry]

Generally speaking, they will probably fuck 3 other things up in order to do the min max and not even do it properly most of the time anyway , and then they ask for log reviews cause they are doing zdps

[crisp badger]

yeah ok, and its great that you guys educate them and show them what's up, i just find the condescending tone of "this spec is braindead everyone's an idiot and dont get it" kind of weirdge

if youre bothered and annoyed about uninformed people, then don't answer questions ya know

[round field]

its not about not getting it

its about overthinking nothing

[digital berry]

I don’t think people being condescending is as common as you say it is.

[crisp badger]

maybe

im not here that often

but every time i am i see it

[dry compass]

There's a difference between saying focusing on minute min/max details doesn't matter, and telling a player who's fundamentals are weak that they're better off dedicating the efforts to fixing the fundamentals

[digital berry]

I’m curious as to what he considers condescending at this point

[crisp badger]

im fine with this though

[crisp badger]

it's a bit weird that this is not obvious, i find comments to questions that aren't constructive in any way, and puts down the efforts of people to be condescending

well, pointlessly condescending at least

[dry compass]

I mean iqni is being a turd but he's not responding directly to someone seeking help so why worry about it

[leaden birch]

you kidding bro? have you met arctic?

jks arctic is great

[dry compass]

I'm not even sure I'd call arctic condescending

[leaden birch]

he deserves to jab at people with how much he helps in here

[dry compass]

Is he callously indifferent? Sure, but he's not actively seeking to demean people in his answers

[digital berry]

Boy this is the internet, if you want everyone to be nice and kind and caring maybe this ain’t the place for you

[leaden birch]

some people get butt hurt but I mean

[drifting nova]

put me in coach

[scenic mist]

that's condescending

[drifting nova]

I can tower above all

[dry compass]

I'll show you condescending

[crisp badger]

idd, but im still allowed to call it out

[drifting nova]

are you challenging me?

[dry compass]

Sorry kekkers you must have this many CEs to participate in the conversation

[scenic mist]

do 10hc, 25hc and mythic Garrosh count as 3 CE ?
asking for a friend

[digital berry]

You will not receive condescending or rude comments from the mods, experts and admins of the server. That’s all that matters, what the average white name chatter says is just part of being in a public server

[plush prairie]

Would anyone know the right choice here?

[crisp badger]

that's just not true though, in the past few hours ive seen plenty of people with the sentiment of "spec is braindead everyone dumb"

[dry compass]

Take the wrist you're replacing the belt in a week anyway

[drifting nova]

Cool, I'll go get some chairs you seem to be lacking enough

[scenic mist]

conveniently left out orange names, to not get sued after an Arctic comment. Smart

[plush prairie]

Still use it even with the dps loss? or hold onto it until I get the socket for the increase

[dry compass]

Hold it

[plush prairie]

kk thank you

[drifting nova]

true, every spec is braindead

[scenic mist]

dk are actually just dead, no brain

[crisp badger]

idd, but it's just not helpful to newcomers seeking advice

[drifting nova]

dont ask silly questions then

[digital berry]

Newcomers seeking advice will receive it

[crisp badger]

again, idd, i also said earlier that people are really helpful

they are just also condescending

[dry compass]

Idk what idd means

[crisp badger]

i don't disagree

am i old

[dry compass]

Maybe

[drifting nova]

seeing idd this much

not seen it in a decade

[crisp badger]

[dry compass]

I've just never seen someone use that phrase enough to abbreviate it

[drifting nova]

like someone saying lmfao

[leaden birch]

guys

[digital berry]

Rofl

[crisp badger]

it used to be hella common

[crisp badger]

idk what happened

[scenic mist]

had to check too

[leaden birch]

is priory signet annoying to use compared to hoc

[drifting nova]

wait it means something I didnt even account for

[dry compass]

Yes

[leaden birch]

does it being 2m change a lot

[crisp badger]

i swear it used to mean i dont disagree

[dry compass]

Yes

[drifting nova]

I thought it was i dont disagree

am I the noob

[crisp badger]

ah, you must be around my age

[leaden birch]

so I guess it's really not worth the .3% dps upgrade?

[dry compass]

HoC lines up nicely you can just fuckin macro it in

Signet you gotta have another keybind

[leaden birch]

I mean... I kinda don't macro hoc

[digital berry]

It’s likely higher, closer to 0.6%

[leaden birch]

should I just macro it lol

[leaden birch]

nah it was a 11k overall dps upgrade for me so I passed on it

[dry compass]

There's gonna been some niche cases where it's better to have it on its own keybind

[leaden birch]

tbh i should've just taken it but I'm asking all of this to help me cope

[dry compass]

But in general the macro-and-forget strategy works nicely

[digital berry]

Yeah but sims are not optimized for its usage so it’s likely they under sim a bit

[dry compass]

Especially if you're also running BiS and have a separate keybind for that

[leaden birch]

thank you're making my cope ineffective rn

[dry compass]

No cope allowed

Only condescension

[leaden birch]

condeez nuts

either way I don't care

[crisp badger]

if it makes you feel better i struggled with this question and coped like you did for a long time

[leaden birch]

fuck signet

nobody uses it anyways

[dry compass]

I don't even have HoC and am forced to use signet

So yes, fuck signet

[drifting nova]

just get it?

50/50 boss

[dry compass]

Thanks kekkers

[leaden birch]

i took a socket > myth signet because arctic told me to

[drifting nova]

anytime

[dry compass]

Appreciate the support

[crisp badger]

just use HC HoC, pretty sure it's still worth over mythic sig

[dry compass]

Nah

[drifting nova]

even I have hoc

[dry compass]

I got myth jug and myth signet, only trinket uppie is myth HoC

Even when you consider signet simming badly

[leaden birch]

how far behind is hc hoc

[dry compass]

Like 1.5%?

Not close enough that I'm gonna take the DPS loss for the ease of use

[crisp badger]

for me the deal breaker was when i had to hold incarn on a fresh pull because signet was on cd for another like 15s

[leaden birch]

no way

1.5% is huge

[crisp badger]

that felt bad so i swapped to card

[dry compass]

Is okay two more weeks and my last dinar goes into hoc

[leaden birch]

not myth jastors?

[dry compass]

Have myth jastor

[leaden birch]

wow look at me

i'm tyherius

[dry compass]

Was a bigger uppie than myth HoC so bought it with last dinar

[digital berry]

Hoc was bigger up for me but I took jastor just cause chances are it’s not gonna drop that often anyway

[dry compass]

Yeah

Jastor being very rare

Although in my guild fucking hoc might as well be

Think we've had 3 drop in ALL our heroic and mythic kills?

[digital berry]

We got hoc last week and it went to the sandbagger who didn’t even have heroic one

[dry compass]

Classic

[crisp badger]

why?

[dry compass]

The guy that doesn't do his keys each week and is still running his transmitter from last season

[digital berry]

More of a dps upgrade

[dry compass]

As is tradition 🫡

[leaden birch]

yeah we've seen hoc drop on 2 of our heroic kills

at least both times it was a double drop

[scenic mist]

try droping 2 HoC per week but each one goes to the client, always

[leaden birch]

imagine being in a guild good enough to have clients

[dry compass]

I don't even think we could sell OAB with loot in good conscience

We'd just be scamming xd

[leaden birch]

[digital berry]

We’re still struggling on mugz reclears, gally was a oneshot this week

[dry compass]

Reclear was fuckin hard this week with the lag lmao

[leaden birch]

we progged mug all night yesterday with 19 people lol

[dry compass]

Always seemed to pop at the worst time

[leaden birch]

fkin guy dc'd and just never came back

[scenic mist]

we boosting 2ppl at the same time, losing all the loot, and all that to get paid pebbles
icba

but hey, nice mog in the chest

[pallid bay]

man boosting multiple seems like the absolute worst

they pay fuckall

[scenic mist]

yeah it's a scam i swear

[pallid bay]

reclear becomes more annoying

they gobble all loot

[scenic mist]

last guy paid like 5 mil for 6/8 no loot

while the other 8/8 + loot paid idk 8mil

the first wanted to stay alive so he could parse

like

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

[obsidian girder]

eew.. a buyer that wants to stay alive?

had one on sprocket.. guess what happend

[scenic mist]

idk how but he didnt cause any wipe on sprocket

but he stayed middle on OAB with flame debuff

killed half the raid

[obsidian girder]

oof

[dry compass]

Wanting to parse in a boost kekw

Triple the price for that one

[scenic mist]

i'm just a raider, got no say in this

can only yap, as my moonkin nature commands

[obsidian girder]

tbf my first OAB kill was without any gear on. same with gallywix. i was the test subject to see if they could boost

[lyric stag]

we had ppl who wanted a package deal a few weeks ago and they wanted to pay for like 1.2 clears total for both of them

buyers these days smh

[digital berry]

Do guilds divide loot evenly when Doing sales ?

[scenic mist]

loot ? or gold ?

[digital berry]

Shit yeah I meant gold

[scenic mist]

we do yeah

evenly between every participating raider to the evening

but first we took nothing until the guildbank had like 200mil

[jovial hare]

Where tf do people get all this gold from

Or is it leftover from the old days of garrisons and all that

[scenic mist]

some ppl just like to farm and play the ah

[digital berry]

Rmt

[scenic mist]

say that 3 times and then blizz appears behind you, careful

[jovial hare]

8 mil even for rmt would be like hundreds of dollars I feel like

For token it'd be like 800

Probably 350 -400 for rmt

I still can't believe someone bought the crit neck Boe from me for 3 mil

[leaden birch]

jeez, the power creep has really changed up the strat on mugzee eh

[jovial hare]

That felt like theft lmao

[leaden birch]

supposed to phase him so early now

[round field]

someone paid me 50 euro for a normal spymaster

[digital berry]

It’s more about dps being insufferable about not wanting to hold dps

As it should be

Holding for 30 seconds is beyond cringe

[leaden birch]

I'm checking out gamz's kill

[scenic mist]

we push at 4min, still have like 1min stop dps

get me out of here

[leaden birch]

and they had to do a whole extra metal side

[digital berry]

No fucking way

[leaden birch]

compared to what I was told we're doing last night

we're trying to push at 4m

unless I'm seeing this wrong?

[digital berry]

It’s metal dirt metal dirt for old Strat, with lust on pull can probably do metal dirt metal and phase before dirt

[lofty depot]

Meh, lust at 3m

[leaden birch]

https://youtu.be/EoXO8ObRWYk?t=243

am I tripping or is this not another metal phase where I linked to?

so they did metal dirt metal dirt metal

[scenic mist]

this is the "basic" strat

[leaden birch]

but this was awhile ago so with the dps we have now it should be metal dirt metal dirt then phase right?

[scenic mist]

with 5min push

[lofty depot]

Actually I'm lusting when ever my combust comes back up

Sometimes it's 250 sometimes it's 305

[lofty depot]

Yes

[digital berry]

We 4 phased it throughout our whole prog aswell

Idk how old the 5 phase is

[leaden birch]

man, I really hope this doesn't become such a big wall for my guild with it being a sort of dps check now

[digital berry]

Trust me you’re going to hit the last phase wall more often then miss the for check

Last soak set and mines are far more obnoxious

[leaden birch]

yeah p2 looks wild

[digital berry]

At least gally p2 is a joke

[lofty depot]

Gonna fail the mines a bunch

[signal temple]

I read this as "lust at 3am"

[lofty depot]

Then fail the front left goal drop a binch

Cuz people don't know how to read the fucking diagram

[leaden birch]

gally is easier than mug ye?

[lofty depot]

Ye

[leaden birch]

fk i hope we get CE lol

[lofty depot]

Well easier for 15 people

Bud u have 2 months

[leaden birch]

yeah how about 20 people

[lofty depot]

Well 5 people have bombs and can't die

So if u have perennial floor pov Andy's, havef fun

[leaden birch]

[lofty depot]

And really none of the bombs are "hard"... Need to do some cool tech for the 4th bomb but nonetheless

Mage things

[scenic mist]

tbf

now, a bomb can die

and wont wipe the raid

[leaden birch]

2 months, belt buff

I think 1 more renown dps buff

maybe that can offset our lack of IQ

[dry compass]

Rmter detected

[drifting nova]

ban rmters when

[fiery harness]

What is the min ilvl to join undermine normal/HC groups

Is 630-640 enough?

[orchid ember]

Greater than zero

[signal temple]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-low-tier-god-mods-ltg-mods-new-jersey-gif-4411202994157078106

[scarlet tapir]

good loot

for prog...

[leaden birch]

yowza

[scenic mist]

it's more than enough, we went into the unnerfed raid with this ilvl

[leaden birch]

the dream

[lofty depot]

Imagine doing heroic

[scarlet tapir]

its mythic bro...

[digital berry]

You’re not equipping any of that tho are you

[leaden birch]

BIS with avoidance

[scarlet tapir]

im full equiped buddy...

[eager raft]

Twistsoar my goat

[digital berry]

Disgusting evoker players

[scenic mist]

this is feathers territory, get lost with your scales

[lofty depot]

Yea

[scarlet tapir]

pretty sure i can outdmg most of u on bamkin too...

[lofty depot]

Ur class is 2 buttons and broken

[scarlet tapir]

balance is 3 buttons and broken

[lofty depot]

In m+

[scenic mist]

[eager raft]

ye not me but

But everyone else ya

[scarlet tapir]

true

im following ur footsteps on hunter tho

[eager raft]

I might keep playing it next tier

[scarlet tapir]

idk what im playing next tier yet

maybe if evoker sucks ass i can play something else

[scenic mist]

like

aug

[leaden birch]

pretty sure you can outdmg me too

[scarlet tapir]

nah i got an aug expert on my guild

so yea

[scarlet tapir]

irl only maybe

[leaden birch]

pretty sure you can outlift me irl too

[scarlet tapir]

how much do u

[leaden birch]

not a lot anymore

I'm old so

focus more on tempo and range of motion than lifting heavier and heavier

[fiery harness]

But will pug groups invite me?

[scenic mist]

i can't answer for them

(prob not tho)

[leaden birch]

won't know until you start applying

[scarlet tapir]

i lift 0 cause i dont lift

[leaden birch]

you should start

[scarlet tapir]

i have 0 motivation and im too lazy to go to the gym

[round field]

gym is influencer propaganda

[eager raft]

hey Iqnious

[jolly delta]

hey respectable

fellow dev

have u seen planner

[eager raft]

hey vinter my dev brother

[jolly delta]

[eager raft]

Yes I have it looks great

I saw ur Reddit post too

[round field]

whats up

[eager raft]

And I disagree with the feedback about viserio tool because yours is infinitely better for boomy specifically

[eager raft]

Chillin u

[jolly delta]

viserio can suck my nuts!!!

[round field]

did 2 pullups during bandit bench

💪

[eager raft]

goat

[jade flume]

2 pull ups is pretty good lowkey

I think im capped at like 3

[gentle patio]

Ffin squirrel

[river galleon]

Hi! Quick question: Which weapon enchant is right now best? Radiant Power, Depths or Stonebound?

For raiding

[lofty depot]

Sim it

[timid maple]

Hey there, I rerolled to Balance this patch. Looking for tips on how to improve dps if anyone can help I'd appreciate it
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1Tc9D8JCVz3tyb4k?fight=9&type=damage-done&source=12

[lofty depot]

On phone so can't see before 0.1 I assume u pressed Sunfire but..... Trees before ca

Idk if ur within a global or if u precasted anything

Seems like ur out of eclipse here. Just press ca

[timid maple]

nice thank you ill use trees before CA moving forward and just make sure i stay ontop of being in eclipse

[lofty depot]

Who is that

[round field]

me when i press vigil outside of incarn to do 1k hps

[sage silo]

Exactly that, he couldn't heal ML 20 Azerokk as disc priest, so blamed us dying to slam on My vigil not being used whilst i held for my Priory signet to allign with my incarn :>

[lofty depot]

Until he plays like Ellesmere and asks for it as a healer

He can seek help

Trog behavior

[lofty depot]

3rd trees u hold til CA/convoke is up so u can use before intermission

But also ur afk for 5 seconds during this isk

[timid maple]

Yeah I think I was running out to a far away pylon to drain during that 5 seconds

[lofty depot]

Press wildchagre

Dot shit before CA. This also again should be held til convoke is up

Cuz that convoke is bad

[mighty mica]

who is this, why should we care, why are you dragging your drama around

[lofty depot]

Outside of eclipse spamming surges not poggers

[lofty depot]

Someone ur gonna have to defend me against

[timid maple]

word thanks @lofty depot

need to be more focused on keeping eclipse phases active and not wasting surges outside of them, casting trees before CA, holding into CA/Trees/Convoke until they come off CD to overlap more

[lofty depot]

U can pre Starfall the adds and then Sunfire the stacked ones

Looks like the movement is a problem. Need to learn how to use wildcharge

[timid maple]

yeah ill start using it more instead of holding onto it as an "emergency" movement button for wave phase

[lofty depot]

U need to understand what u need it for and when

That fight. The only thing u need it for is getting to the pylons

[timid maple]

word

[scarlet tapir]

bro what happened with lorrgs website

i cant see half the site cause its flooded with adds

badly placed

[round field]

adblock?

[lavish hatch]

can u reset bosses as night elf?

[scarlet tapir]

usually dont use but might ahve to its so cancer

ads werent placed like this

[jolly delta]

[lucid olive]

no.

[mighty mica]

[eternal sandal]

Don't think the private logs are much better

That was from a pug iirc

[sudden flame]

fell off

ret rotted your brain

[green fog]

on how many targets forward do we prio starfall over starsurge and Lunar eclipse over solar

[tardy vortex]

On mythic bandit we just dot adds and ST boss right?

[lucid olive]

dot adds and starfall adds

[tardy vortex]

K

[lucid olive]

stay solar eclipse and press wrath on add that needs to die

will not need boss dmg in p1

[tardy vortex]

Cool ty

[green fog]

Awesome thanks! Where's this guide from? The wowhead guide still has celestial alignment

[lucid olive]

It's the Dreamgrove guide linked in pins and channel desription

[green fog]

Nice!

[teal minnow]

What about gating the rotation behind micro transactions? Gotta get that monetisation in

[light dew]

Hey my boomie friends,

How do i sim m+? I got a warning saying dungeon slice unreliable?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
Kristoffer

[mighty mica]

1t5m lazy sim or MDT for more confidence, more info is in the compendium in the pins

[light dew]

Oh thank you mr. Thyme 🙂

[sweet belfry]

on armory i see Authority of Radiant Power on some high end mythic raiders weapon instead of Authority of the Depths

any idea why? i simmed and it's like 700k off

[pseudo merlin]

It most definitely is not 700k off, link sim

I can already guess what happened though

[sweet belfry]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a8wveWnCvHbBBn6mUZYDHC

simmed again now it's 10k diff

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hNp1HATaF9yUZggqYN5uny

[pseudo merlin]

You probably simmed with BIS on agi

or str or whatever

[vital hound]

natural progression innit

[sweet belfry]

ye probably

[pseudo merlin]

go check your weapon in game

[sweet belfry]

ye ye done already before 2nd sim

do they use those weapon enchants because it sims higher or it performs better in m+ or else?

[lucid olive]

radiant power or any of the stat bonus ones are better in m+ usually

but the difference is negligible anyway

[sweet belfry]

thank you

[potent cargo]

csh bot can already do this

i miss csh

i miss paper

free my brodie

[mighty mica]

csh isn't banned

[potent cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/sheeeeiiittt-gif-13637463

[drifting nova]

who is

[mighty mica]

ask pepsi

[real dome]

do i always want to time force of nature with other cd? how long can i hold it for?

[vital hound]

your other cds pander to fon

[loud kettle]

I do sometimes

[real dome]

what??

[vital hound]

your other cds pander to fon

[eager raft]

free csh we miss you dawg

[potent cargo]

free crodie

[scarlet tapir]

free turtle

[real dome]

can someone fr answer this?

[craggy sonnet]

you never CA without trees and you never convoke without CA

(unless fight is ending)

[dry compass]

This is @cursive mirage erasure

[lucid olive]

do now

[cursive mirage]

Woah

Please erase me

Gamz is also cooler than me

[lucid olive]

factually untrue

i joined your guild on NA so i could have more street cred on the forums

[cursive mirage]

And I’ve been super MIA for a couple of months now with this whole being a homeowner bullshit. I need new content to come out so I can go back to ignoring all my real life concerns

[lucid olive]

surely only a couple weeks until 11.2 PTR right

11.1.7 is next week

[cursive mirage]

And get back to having chat Gamz pt shorten my overly long forum posts

[lucid olive]

11.2 news should be this week or next??

[cursive mirage]

Surely

[lucid olive]

don't they usually schedule youtube livestreams for the announcements

[cursive mirage]

I just want them to make a YouTube announcement saying they’ll fix the lag on mugzee before raid tonight

[lucid olive]

whys mugzee lagging

bad PC?

should upgrade your new house to fix the lag

[cursive mirage]

If I have to watch my entire raid team’s game freeze up for 1-2 seconds each mine pop I’m going to melt

I wish it were only my PC cause then I could sit myself and force other people to root

[dry compass]

It's instance lag

We had it all last night as well

[meager storm]

holy wrath

[craggy sonnet]

excuse me?

thats a number

[eager raft]

I did 22 mil

[meager storm]

nuh uh

[craggy sonnet]

so .. that a self report?

or we still abiding by the law

[lucid olive]

dakd insane padder

[meager storm]

im missing 3% dmg

[lucid olive]

loses 24 ranks filtering boss damage

[meager storm]

its only mugzee

if they remove the add dmg u will see

[lucid olive]

[craggy sonnet]

also i guess dinars are cool now .. went ahead to m raid and got CE today (basically for free tho, no prog)

[lucid olive]

for free?

didnt you have to pay gold

[craggy sonnet]

actually, no

just had to press some buttons

[lucid olive]

gg

wish i could do that

[craggy sonnet]

idk, kinda happy i found a 2day guild in the 600s WR without actual xp

[delicate perch]

gamz = buyer??

[potent cargo]

yo has someone got the lorgok clip

where he's like

idk talking about a beautiful day or some shit and then he blasts techno music

@glossy jungle

[glossy jungle]

not I

I need to save some lorgok clips though

someone has the soundboard of him saying 'imagine if nagura was a boy' and they like to use it alot on discord

[quiet drift]

This one?

[potent cargo]

hahahahaha

thank you

legend

[glossy jungle]

no they are los

Oh, he deleted his question...

[lime blade]

How do you guys bind Best-in-slots / hoc? With incarn?

[lucid olive]

hoc with incarn

bis whenever you feel like the vibe is right

[vital hound]

ptr should be this week

[vagrant cove]

Again, when its a PASSIVE thing its NOT a focus. Do people not realise that when you can get passive increases it helps regardless of how well you're playing the class? Why are there people in here creating these benchmarks before people are allowed to ask for passive mini increases

It's like telling somebody "Sorry you're not getting enough starfires and starfalls out in your eclipse window, enchanting your gear wont help". Like yes, obviously if they worked on their rotation they'll do more damage, but getting those enchants would ALSO help their damage by a small margin. Theres no reason they can't get the enchants AND work on their rotation

[vital hound]

thats cope

instead of figuring out the ins and outs of a negligible dps increase

you have much bigger fish to fry

[plush prairie]

what if i'm allergic to fish

[vital hound]

then go play league of legends

sorry bro its the only thing for you

[plush prairie]

What if I have no storage to download it

[vital hound]

D: implies C:

NVME implies e:

uncrop the image

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/q3dV.gif

oh man

if you have a pi

[plush prairie]

no storage

[vital hound]

you defo have like

4tb

sitting around

[plush prairie]

0 storage

only 2tb 😭

I gave my other 2tb nvme to my dad

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/69qZ.gif

[plush prairie]

so you weren't wrong

[vital hound]

never am mate

perpetually correct farm animal

[plush prairie]

true shaun the sheep is never wrong

[vital hound]

[lucid olive]

the macro isn't a passive increase

it's barely an increase at all

and emnitthy is right in his assessment

if you cancelaura dreamstate incorrectly you'll lose more damage than it will gain you

[plush prairie]

I think I should just reroll to another class too ez

boomie too hard

[vital hound]

true

are there any 2 button specs

[plush prairie]

I find outlaw easier than boomie

[vagrant cove]

nah i read that part thats completely fair, this would also be a completely fine answer if it were the thing originally said when the person had asked for help with it the other night

[lucid olive]

also as a response to "sharing that when people ask for tiny increases is probably a good idea right?": imo it completely depends on the skill level of the player. if I can look at their logs and see they are not using wild charge at all, missing casts and using dots inside incarn then I am not going to recommend them using a macro that requires them to think of an interaction that might gain them 0.05% damage, when the real advice I should be giving is to teach the broader parts of moonkin

even the 4000 IO giga nerds that do keys every raid fuck up the most basic things

and their viewers will see this 1 strange interaction they do for minmax

and think that's why those people are better and they should do that thing too

when focusing on the fundamentals is vastly more valuable than worrying about some dogshit minmax that gave a 0.1% swing in a sim

[vagrant cove]

Again, who thinks about a macro when it is 100% passive. As soon as that macro is made you dont need to think about it because thinking about it wont charge what it does or what you do. You have stated that the macro isnt worth it above so I can understand with other macros its not the same but im assuming we are still referring to that macro in the above reply

Like when you make a macro for using your trinket in incarn, you arent thinking about your trinket when you push the button that's the whole reason we made the macro to begin with. It'll just happen

Same as with the rotation and enchants. There's no real reason why we cant say "Okay go grab these enchants and these gems, this cyrce's ring is good with these gems, and lets work on your rotation"

[lucid olive]

I am just replying to the "when people ask for small increases why should it not be shared"

Because it vastly depends on the skill level of the player

[vagrant cove]

I mean yeah then thats fair, if its a very tiny increase and it requires thought i wouldnt bother either haha

Im only referring to the passive things

[lucid olive]

The best option is always to reply with what could be the biggest increase to them

and that depends on their skill level

comparing it to an enchant is ridiculous

The macro is an increase and that is why it's in the Compendium

and shared in the guide

but it's so miniscule that its just not going to be relevant sharing to someone who asks how they can do more dam in their +16s

its like teaching someone how to drive stick shift when they're 8 years old and just got the training wheels off of their bicycle

idk if 8 is the right age for that i didn't learn to ride a bike until i was 10

[vagrant cove]

Right its ridiculous to compare a passive increase macro, to a passive increase enchant. But its not ridiculous to compare giving a macro to someone asking for help with their damage, to an 8 year old driving stick drift

[junior stirrup]

Any starlord canvellers 😎

[lucid olive]

nah that analogy was a banger actually

[vagrant cove]

The macros also barely an increase to damage and can be a damage loss, but its also in the compendium and guide

Lmao it was a unique one for sure hahaha

[lucid olive]

Yes, the Compendium is meant to be a source of information to both noobs and advanced players

A one-stop-shop for all your relevant druid information

[jolly delta]

shop? someone's paying?

[lucid olive]

yeah I claimed my first bmac payout the other week

💰

[vagrant cove]

I actually really enjoy the compendium, whoever made it smashed it

[lucid olive]

thank you

[jolly delta]

native icons soon btw

[drifting nova]

like the sioux?

[digital berry]

360 all stars points gets you feral 108, how down bad are they

[fiery harness]

What brann should I use for delves?

Tank?

[lucid olive]

i just do healer brann

tank brann is useless tbh

but guess it depends on your ilvl and how fast you wanna go

[fiery harness]

ty

[tropic gale]

Hey! Should i be manually entering eclipse before incarn to stack the every 2 eclipses it drops a lesser foe?

Or more like should i try to 3x foe as eclipse one, normal and incarn one or i should not worry much about that?

[lucid olive]

don't worry too much about it

you can enter eclipse for firmament before incarn if you won't sacrifice Dreamstate stacks doing it

[jovial hare]

Ok Gamz

Time for a legit not minmaxy question

What do you think the best usage for wild charge is I'm not on the game atm and my brain is thinking you could do most of your movement during surges and starfalls

But you would just cover extra ground during ap usage with Wc yeah?

[lucid olive]

you can surge during wild charge animation

yeah basically to cover more ground

its also good for stuff like

1st boss Rookery intermission

you can Starfire greed inside a swirlie

[jovial hare]

But it's meme if you use it with no ap cause then you aren't casting still yeah?

[lucid olive]

then Wild Charge after cast ends

[dense python]

Using its versatility in different forms.

For example Candle king heal absorb -> bear form -> charge boss to be close for baits again

Human wild charge for skips

Owl WC to greed casts during mechanics

And much more

[jovial hare]

Damn Human druids

[dense python]

I disagree, if you have firmament you should use dreamstate stacks to enter eclipse before incarn after dotting

[quiet drift]

Very value 2 globals

[lucid olive]

why

[dense python]

Because its a dps increase that way

[lucid olive]

do you have proof of that

[dense python]

How else do you want to proc firmament?

[lucid olive]

you proc firmament by pressing incarn

[dense python]

Basically any high rio boomie is doing it

Including myself

[dense python]

But not the one you already have

If you do it as I described you will have 3 foe

1 from the actual ability
2 from firmament

[lucid olive]

this is not true