Or maybe the raid wasn’t just turbo rot
#balance
misty patrol
crisp scaffold
hi,how big of an increase is best in slot weapon from bandit compared to crafted weapon ?
St and aoe
sudden flame
dps loss if its heroic
ebon parcel
Hi
How does my rotation changes with best in slots and on use trinket?
sudden flame
on use trinket with first ca/incarn convoke, best in slot with second incarn/ca
crisp scaffold
dps loss if its heroic
I killed bandit last night ,its the mithic version
sudden flame
so you are chosing what to buy with the dinar or what?
might aswell just sim it
its definitely a damage increase
crisp scaffold
so you are chosing what to buy with the dinar or what?
Im definetly buying the weapon ,I already have house on hc ,the increase wouldnt be that big ,but the wep might be more
sudden flame
Ye i mean its definitley a sim angle
Can't tell you the dps increase off hand because it will be different for everyone
crisp scaffold
Can't tell you the dps increase off hand because it will be different for everyo...
I understand ,I asked about the % ,because the balance gear is pretty generic ,everyone has the same gear maybe 1 or 2 items differ
fossil hemlock
That's not entirely true
delicate perch
ya that's a take and a half
severe hollow
That's not entirely true
When you say not entirely true, did you mean absolute bullshit?
crisp scaffold
Wouldnt balance want mastery haste gear ?whats the difference ?
delicate perch
access to gear would play an insane role in that
tier gloves were suddenly an increase over my crit mast m+ myth gloves after ditching crafted weapon
crisp scaffold
tier gloves were suddenly an increase over my crit mast m+ myth gloves after dit...
I see , I have haste mastery gloves mith from cleft ,I will sim after work and see whats best
delicate perch
ya always sim anyway, tiny upgrades are still upgrades 
fossil hemlock
A few weeks back my sims were screaming at me to get vers
lyric junco
Should I stagger my incarns more to try and ensure I have either HoC or Best-in-Slots for every incarn in M+?
I've found that after the first 2 incarns of the dungeon, which I usually do 20 seconds apart to account for the icd from trinket to weapon, my incarns are just with HoC and BiS just kinda sits unused unless I manually send it without cds.
fossil hemlock
Saw a log of someone sending hoc with incarn and just sort of sending BiS on CD
scenic mist
Should I stagger my incarns more to try and ensure I have either HoC or Best-in-...
as you concluded, sadly HoC will kinda always be in sync with incarn, but apart from the 2nd incarn of the dung where you can send BIS, the BIS is kinda alone
fossil hemlock
And if it happened to line up with a non-hoc incarn, great
lyric junco
Aight, so basically just send BiS as and when I can outside of the second one?
scenic mist
just press BIS on cd when you enter eclipse
unless you have no HoC and will incarn in like 10sec
empty locust
Hello! I need a log guru that can help me out. As I got into pushing 19 keys I find my damage really lacking. I put my logs into wowanalyzer and they seem fine on paper but I must be doing mistakes I don't realize. Anyone can help?
scenic mist
Hello! I need a log guru that can help me out. As I got into pushing 19 keys I f...
send logs, we'll see
empty locust
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QZhvk9RK6btND7wM?fight=last&type=damage-done
Since the damage parse is so low I'm looking for BIG mistakes I should really change. Run was clean no deaths nothing that could hinder my DPS so much
scenic mist
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QZhvk9RK6btND7wM?fight=last&type=damage-don...
this is big mistake
this part
you wasted 2 stacks of nature's grace
and its biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig dam loss
incarn, then 2x starfire, then press WoE
empty locust
Oh let me try to understand it
scenic mist
this is also very damaging to your dps, inside incarn your only gcds should be starfire and starfall
scenic mist
Oh let me try to understand it
empty locust
Dotting huh? And the first thing u mention is the reduced cast time of starfire
Yeeeeah I see ur point here
scenic mist
Dotting huh? And the first thing u mention is the reduced cast time of starfire
yeah, the 5 first starfires in your incarn should be 2 NG boosted Starfires + 3 WoE starfires
that translate into big burst + lots of asp to put into starfall
empty locust
Thanksssss I'll change that
Also the second thing is doting in incarn which I already try to minimize (unless tanks go unpredictable)
scenic mist
this is no good either
FoE needs to be pressed the gcd before incarn, not after
incarn is so short you really really really need to make the most of it every time
empty locust
Is this damage loss even when I don't have cap AP?
empty locust
So I always align incarn with foe, I keep incarn till foe is up
Wow big mistakes here
I wasn't doing this
scenic mist
So I always align incarn with foe, I keep incarn till foe is up
yeah and it's not hard cause you have 2 charges of incarn so you wont ever waste incarn cd by delaying a little
empty locust
Yeah definitely
scenic mist
and this is nice tech too :
gives more FoE procs during the dung, so more astronomical impact, and more asp, so more starfall, more 6% dam
empty locust
Ok I will start tracking firmament too
And do I need to also align woe with incarn or not?
scenic mist
no real need to track it, just precast 2x wrath if you're out of combat when tank is pulling
empty locust
I'm sending woe on cd
scenic mist
And do I need to also align woe with incarn or not?
no send WoE on cd
empty locust
Ok ok
scenic mist
i mean, you can delay for 10sec ofc
empty locust
Ah ic yeah so no matter the state of firmament I just go on eclipse before I send incarn for the rotation
Got ya
crisp scaffold
Ok ,let me understand too ,whenever u start a pull u 2x wrath and then dot everything ,FoE , incarn ,starfall spam and starfire ?
scenic mist
Ok ,let me understand too ,whenever u start a pull u 2x wrath and then dot every...
yes
do the 2x wrath only if out of combat when you start the 1st wrath cast
if not go straight to the dot part
crisp scaffold
Nice ,good to know ,never did that
empty locust
Same @scenic mist your help is invaluable thanks a ton! I'ma work on all those right away
scenic mist
Ah ic yeah so no matter the state of firmament I just go on eclipse before I sen...
no, only if out of combat as i wrote below
main thing is having 2 NG stacks when you press incarn
NG stacks in M+ work like in raid, see your ST opener where you precast 2x wrath ?
crisp scaffold
Ofc ,in general u are out of combat while tank gets things ,only when they start casting on you I think u get in combat
empty locust
Yeah
maiden pasture
Ah ic yeah so no matter the state of firmament I just go on eclipse before I sen...
Often the opposite NGL
empty locust
When I use 2 NG stacks , and enter eclipse, and then press incarn , I get refunded those 2 NG stacks?
maiden pasture
No
scenic mist
When I use 2 NG stacks , and enter eclipse, and then press incarn , I get refund...
no, i'll write how it looks :
maiden pasture
You get NG for eclipse ending, entering incarn while in eclipse is not an eclipse ending
scenic mist
out of combat, 0 NG stacks
precast 1x wrath
at the end of the cast, you enter combat, so you get 2x NG stacks
if you succesfully queue up the 2nd wrath after the 1st, like in ST opener, the 2nd wrath WILL NOT consume 1 NG stack
--> you successfully entered eclipse (thus cycling firmament) while keeping 2 NG stacks
maiden pasture
do the 2x wrath only if out of combat when you start the 1st wrath cast
This like never happens in m+ and isn't worth potentially wasting a dreamstate stack for
scenic mist
This like never happens in m+ and isn't worth potentially wasting a dreamstate s...
true, it's a sensitive minmaxing
if you cant do it reliably, just focus on the 2 NG stacks rather than firmament cycling
empty locust
I understand yeah maybe u fk it up and then waste the incarn + NG infused starfires
Which I didn't get advantage of anyway 😂
maiden pasture
Just don't spend dreamstate stacks if you're entering eclipse immediately after it's as simple as that.
Don't bother thinking about the boundless moonlight damage as much. You're better off starting dotting tbh
It's also not even known / tested for if it's a dps gain
They don't think about it in R1 keys, you can focus on other things instead
scenic mist
It's also not even known / tested for if it's a dps gain
if done successfully it 100% is, you get more asp through the dung by proccing more FoE
scenic mist
They don't think about it in R1 keys, you can focus on other things instead
yargi does it every pull iirc
empty locust
Yargi is so fking good man even mdi casters were like how this guy does 400k more DPS on st than the rest of dudus xd
scenic mist
but it's the end of the road, focus on NG stacks to begin with, and not wasting gcds inside incarn
maiden pasture
How often are you in m+ and the following is true:
You're able to cast 2x wrath before you get in combat
You don't have to move so you can plant for 2x wrath
You're at a range where pressing 2x wrath is fine because the first won't hit by the end of second cast
scenic mist
How often are you in m+ and the following is true:
You're able to cast 2x wrath...
you dont need the last and the 1st condition
Queue up the 2nd wrath and it wont consume NG stacks
Watch NG stacks behavior
empty locust
@scenic mist so basically the really bad stuff was not using NG stacks before sending incarn, and doting while in incarn from what u saw?
scenic mist
<@1036340803045441657> so basically the really bad stuff was not using NG stacks...
no no no
you DONT want to use NG stacks before incarn
you want to use them inside
empty locust
Eeh yeah
scenic mist
the bad thing is pressing WoE before using them
scenic mist
if NG and WoE are both up, starfire will consume both
maiden pasture
When are they gonna make owlkin frenzy proc be used before woe stacks
That's the real question
scenic mist
When are they gonna make owlkin frenzy proc be used before woe stacks
they could also make it stay a bit longer, this frenzy fades so fast
empty locust
My canceled casts are also huge but I play like a bitch on prog keys so that will naturally lower
scenic mist
My canceled casts are also huge but I play like a bitch on prog keys so that wil...
yeah i also saw that but hey, M+ has you cancel cast, it's kinda expected
the less the better ofc
empty locust
Goats have like 4-5%
Such things I could compare against but the details like ones u mentioned I'd never figure out myself
lyric junco
Most of the time I find myself using NG charges on Wrath to get back into Lunar Eclipse. That's unavoidable right?
scenic mist
Most of the time I find myself using NG charges on Wrath to get back into Lunar ...
you should be able to carry 1 NG stack into lunar
by precasting wrath before the end of lunar eclipse
but doesnt matter much
outside of incarn
lyric junco
Yeah I do that sometimes, but I never really realised how it's happening
scenic mist
if you start wrath cast before you have the NG stack, it wont consume it eventhough you got them before the end of the cast (cause you ended lunar eclipse during the cast)
this was particularly critical when NG stacks also gave dmg amp to the builder, but now it's juste haste so, meh
lyric junco
I was thinking it was because the wrath cast only moves you towards eclipse when it does damage
but your explanation makes sense
Is there a WA that tell me when I won't get another Starfire off in Lunar so should cast wrath instead?
scenic mist
yes
Oi pack has one, on the left
shows you a wrath icon when it's time to wrath
and this is the same thing but when in ST (KotG), telling you when to starfire instead of wrath
lyric junco
Amazing, thank you so much
scenic mist
i recommend playing this pack anyways https://wago.io/MKhGWdX_s
lyric junco
I use Atrocity's whole UI atm and it feels fine, so I'll probably stick with that and just import individual auras like those 2 that I feel are helpful
But ty for the recommendation anyway
empty locust
@scenic mist by what youre saying i think ive found another mistake , some times i press incarn at 0 seconds of last eclipse , or during it. I should never do that and let it end to refresh stacks of NG ?
scenic mist
<@1036340803045441657> by what youre saying i think ive found another mistake , ...
exactly
empty locust
damn nice i will from now on
i basically never thought so much of NG. now ima track it hell lot more
lyric junco
I also didn't think it was that valuable either xD Learning a lot here
scenic mist
faster cast = more casts = more starfire dam and more asp meaning more starfall meaning bigdam + starlord uptime + arcanes spells so cdr on FoE so more astronomical impact uptime, more dam from FoE, more asp from FoE so more starfall, etc etc
moonkin is really a class with a lot of propagation
empty locust
thank god i parsed so low that actually made me think i have rotational mistakes, people so bad at 17-18 that u parse like 70 even with all those mistakes
scenic mist
thank god i parsed so low that actually made me think i have rotational mistakes...
well, you also played with an ele shaman
so he stole your thunder
quite litteraly
empty locust
yeah ik ik
u should see fauni 😄
noone else is allowed to dps
even pulls from his tank are curated spesifically around his cds 😄
scenic mist
you will have a hard time parsing when going into the key with 2 other burst aoe classes
cause i dont believe this ret paladin was all about ethical damage
as none of them are
lacking prio target damage also means you end every pack with 1-2 targets alive for a bit longer, so your overall also drops
not that it matters, but it's the metric you chose
empty locust
naaah he wasnt 😄
yeah i took consideration of all this but i try not to find excuses , when its low , its low for a reason 😄
quaint steppe
What’s the starfall target count threshold these days?
lofty depot
In m+, 2+
neon fossil
Is Raidbots telling me to get rid of the Bomb Ring and keep wearing the damn Circlet?
digital berry
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cAFsNjBD4XgdHEehuVEih8
5 target 5 minute sims are not how you sim for m+
neon fossil
I have 1t 5m and 5t 5m
leaden birch
5 target 5 minute sims are not how you sim for m+
why can't we all just be mages
neon fossil
😭
neon fossil
Do they sim 5t5m?
yeh
leaden birch
it's trippy
digital berry
Your mom
leaden birch
digital berry
I just woke up
digital berry
Nope it doesn’t work
leaden birch
or mdt sim
digital berry
Tbh for replacing cyrce a random multi target sim is probably a decent option
leaden birch
i will never replace it
neon fossil
So....how do I sim it properly now? 🙂
orchid ember
1t 5m or mdt
neon fossil
(considering the belt is dropping in a week or two I most likely do not want to craft a belt anyway, hm?
leaden birch
i actually have no idea 
orchid ember
Like they said
orchid ember
mdt sim
neon fossil
You can sim there?
leaden birch
1 sec
orchid ember
Its in the compendium
little cove
if you start wrath cast before you have the NG stack, it wont consume it eventho...
hello sir i actually have an issue of usually the 2nd wrath consumes a ng stack
i am oce and play on ping to play 18-19 keys cause oce deax
am i just fkd cause of the ping
yargi also uses the nocombat cancel dreamstate wrath
lofty depot
Gamz uses the macro and he plays from EU to NA
neon fossil
So...does it still want me to replace my ML Ring with a crafted one and I shall keep wearing the Circet?
little cove
hm aight ill try get a vod/log playing tommorow and come back
lofty depot
So...does it still want me to replace my ML Ring with a crafted one and I shall ...
Well ur ML ring isn't 684 soz
scenic mist
am i just fkd cause of the ping
i think you might, yes
if you have too much ping it might be hard to queue up correctly
neon fossil
Well ur ML ring isn't 684 soz
its not even 671. But I also do not get the option to Upgrade my items to track max for some reason
lofty depot
Well u have to look it from vault for that
scenic mist
am i just fkd cause of the ping
there used to be an option to widen your spellQ window, idk if it still exists
lofty depot
It doesn't just upgrade mythic because u have it at 8/8 hero
neon fossil
well yes thats also not my intention
cloud lion
U can put any item in top gear or u can find in string to change ilvl
neon fossil
I obviously want it to be max available path for it, so 8/8 Heroic.
lofty depot
So since u don't have a ring on mythic track, yes crafted is better
orchid ember
^
lofty depot
And if u want to upgrade the ring, do it in top gear
neon fossil
Is the stat gain that juicy from Circet?
lofty depot
If u have not high ilvl ring yes
little cove
there used to be an option to widen your spellQ window, idk if it still exists
ive got it set to 400 which is max i think
neon fossil
I probably have to avoid crafting the belt, right? So I can just craft the ring and swap rings around when I get a myth track ring or Heroic Jastor
lofty depot
Sure
cloud lion
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hpFAGjYMiV7MKx7tTS2kxk this is what mdt sim tells me
neon fossil
Do we have some sims on how worth the belt will be on Boomkin? I mean it will get buffed anyway I reckon but well
orchid ember
Sure, we get that delve belt next week anyways.
cloud lion
If just raid leader would give me hoc jug or jastor instead of qny1 else in guild
orchid ember
If just raid leader would give me hoc jug or jastor instead of qny1 else in guil...
Just buy one?
neon fossil
If just raid leader would give me hoc jug or jastor instead of qny1 else in guil...
Use Token
lofty depot
Just know anytime they make an item that is in an .7 patch u'll wear it
neon fossil
Well dont blame your RL then lol
cloud lion
Also we droped jastor this week got evoker who come online only for raid
And im doing keys
orchid ember
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hpFAGjYMiV7MKx7tTS2kxk this is what mdt s...
mdt sim as keeper?
lucid olive
Do we have some sims on how worth the belt will be on Boomkin? I mean it will ge...
Worth equipping
lucid olive
Sim your character to see which effect you should use on the belt
little cove
Gamz uses the macro and he plays from EU to NA
will a vod be enough or just log
lofty depot
For what
little cove
the ng stack thing
lofty depot
Idk what ur asking
cloud lion
Dont have saved guild raidbot saved on phone
little cove
the 2nd wrath i do pre pull in m+ wasted the ng most of the time when im on ping
oce life
neon fossil
Whats the NG tech?
little cove
is it jsut cause the ping or?
neon fossil
👀
lofty depot
If ur doing it properly on oce and failing it on NA, just stop doing it
little cove
is wasting 1 ng stack for sure just worse
lofty depot
Whats the NG tech?
Compendium is a cool document with cool info for cool people
lofty depot
is wasting 1 ng stack for sure just worse
Yea it's so bad, u should probably swap to healer
little cove
fair
neon fossil
Compendium is a cool document with cool info for cool people
surely
Maybe the cool people document has to add Abbreviations for terms
🥹
lofty depot
I will not engage
scenic mist
Whats the NG tech?
#balance message scroll up chief
lucid olive
I will not engage
You will not NGage?
scenic mist
You will not NGage?
i'm on board with that
lofty depot
You will not NGage?
Seek help
lofty depot
I will not be helping
scenic mist
we know arctic
we know
meager storm
You will not NGage?
Brother man I woke up to this, I will fall asleep again and hope I forget I read this
lucid olive
Brother man I woke up to this, I will fall asleep again and hope I forget I read...
Tell me when you wake up and I can remind you of it
tawdry trellis
we're a week away but anyone play with the delve belt yet on PTR
tawdry trellis
11.1.7 is next week's reset iirc
scenic mist
we're a week away but anyone play with the delve belt yet on PTR
i believe no one had the courage (or was masochist enough) to spam delves on ptr
scenic mist
Week? Isnt it tomorrow
scarlet tapir
Someone lied to me
tawdry trellis
June 17th is when it launches. But some good options... AoE damage passive, Mastery increase, Primary stat increase
tawdry trellis
Better than being in my situation. I started climbing late and now I'm stuck at 15 resil... no one is good doing 16's anymore
scenic mist
who cares about m+, raid is the true content
see you in august
scarlet tapir
None is real content if u suck on both...
rancid glen
New raid in Aug? Seems early forecast
scenic mist
None is real content if u suck on both...
git good
tawdry trellis
Not really. we're right now 16 weeks into the tier
scenic mist
last 2 turbulent timeways event ended up straight with new patch. this turbulent timeways event ends august 5th
rancid glen
Yeah but accounting for summer’s holidays and whatnot wouldnt september make a more sensible raid launch?
scenic mist
Yeah but accounting for summer’s holidays and whatnot wouldnt september make a m...
copium
blizzard are clueless
tawdry trellis
Nah. August sounds right
scenic mist
11.2 will be released august 6
rancid glen
Gotta bring the laptop to the beach
tawdry trellis
Servers still ain't up. I'm lied to that's the true injustice
lofty depot
Summer holidays?
lucid olive
we're a week away but anyone play with the delve belt yet on PTR
you can sim it on mimiron
scenic mist
we're a week away but anyone play with the delve belt yet on PTR
tbf, it's a .7 item, so they will for sure tune it to be bis for everyone, even if it's not the case straight from the release
tawdry trellis
Yeah Sim right now has it simming lower
scenic mist
we'll all have to go delving
lucid olive
diff APL too
tawdry trellis
It's whatever this mimiron thing is
scenic mist
yeah just forget it, you didnt sim in ST build as i initially thought, that's why
scenic mist
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f22pUM5e8d1MGAEnsUxfvv
yo
where is the jug dude
lucid olive
the string is a week old
but yeah
belt caps out at 699 after the weeklies are done
its worth equipping
sim your character to decide which effect is best for you
likely just going to be the versa or mastery stat sticks depending on your gear
lofty depot
the string is a week old
Imagine not being bis a week ago
lucid olive
i dont see garym with a jastor
lofty depot
Jastor isn't good for mage moron
lucid olive
now thats just giga cap
leaden birch
isn't arcane cooler
scenic mist
isn't arcane cooler
everything is cooler than fire dude
lucid olive
unless you're garym the trog
pallid bay
Isn't the belt this season only
topaz pine
leaden birch
one day I will sim higher than 3m 
lofty depot
isn't arcane cooler
If by cooler u mean cringe as shit and purple yes
sudden pawn
belt caps out at 699 after the weeklies are done
whats weird is the blue post says 699 but the ptr still has 694
so im not sure which is true anymore
sudden pawn
find out whenever the time gating ends
unique sparrow
I see that Skardyn Core has been used in +21 - is it useful? Vault for reference. Synapse is dogshit right?
This is an M+ only toon
leaden birch
no idea about core but I'm almost certain the weapon is doodee
unique sparrow
Going to run a sim at least on it vs heroic jug
leaden birch
whats your other trink
unique sparrow
I have hero HOC and hero jug
leaden birch
pretty sure heroic hoc/jug does not get replaced by core
unique sparrow
I can probably sneak this toon in for an OAB kill for the myth track HOC at least
unique sparrow
nah
I used a dinar on heroic HOC so I was thinking I take Skardyn and then myth bis and myth HOC
timber python
mythic signet of the priory or heroic eye of kezan.
probably signet
maiden pasture
You know what they should do
Bring back loot turn ins for mount like the terros neck
Give people a reason to take early loot if they have no other choice
maiden pasture
mythic signet of the priory or heroic eye of kezan.
probably signet
Heroic kezan is beans
But sim it for sure
timber python
ember quartz
really torn on if its worth it buy a mythic oab kill so i can at least cartel chip house of cards and best in slots. sucks not having them.
dry compass
OAB carries are rapidly dropping in price
If you can wait a week or two they'll come down more
tight osprey
Sell a OAB carry instead, free money and the item 
sharp flicker
when simming for M+, do you sim dslice or patchwork 5 targets, or something else?
mighty mica
when simming for M+, do you sim dslice or patchwork 5 targets, or something else...
1t5m lazy sim / mdt for more confidence, read the compendium for more info
sharp flicker
lazy sim and mdt sim gave the same gear result, guess it didn't matter that much indeed
vapid anvil
Heroic mugjug better or mythic wax for 18-20s?
lucid olive
mug
leaden birch
even at 5 minutes it sims better then heroic HoC
surprising
it sims lower than heroic trinkets for me lol
sturdy perch
this is probably a really dumb question... forgive me i'm a resto main ... is there any good way to line up CA, trees and convoke? i obviously hit them all in the opener thats easy... i was the like 15 seconds to send 2nd CA with trees... but after that i feel like the timings are always wonky off and i do a bad job of lining them up.. is it worth min maxing those overlaps? Also is micro managing Starlord stacks worth it? Thx for the help!
leaden birch
hold something
thats it really
there's some rules out there like hold trees if < 20 seconds or something but I can't remember tbh
sturdy perch
ok so just some rules to learn.... i think i saw somethign like that on dreamgrove ill check it again
i figured the advice was lul get good 😛
pseudo merlin
Define SL stack micromanaging
You don't cancelaura anymore
But otherwise I wouldnt call building up to 3 stacks micro managing
sturdy perch
oh ok thats what i was asking... i haven't been but didtn know if it was better to
pseudo merlin
Like it's pretty important
sturdy perch
ya in past patches ppl used to cancel aura then dump 3
pseudo merlin
To like plan for it dropping off with sufficient ASP to get back up asap
yeah no cancelling anymore
sturdy perch
ah ok thx... ya it used to be like a tiny tiny increase didnt' know what the standard was atm
lucid olive
this is probably a really dumb question... forgive me i'm a resto main ... is t...
2nd CA on 2nd trees and then CA on Convoke after that, hold trees for up to 25 seconds for Convoke, hold Convoke for Trees is longer than that (with Control of the Dream)
sturdy perch
@lucid olive oh shit didnt' think about Control... ok makes way more sense to hold
this is why i ask lol way less proficient at balance
lucid olive
In some raid fights it's worth holding the 3rd set of treants for the overlap too
esp if you play House of Cards
sturdy perch
ya i know obviously some fights you aren't patchworking
i'm hoping to get a sprocket mythic kill this week so i can buy my myth trinket and then get a heroic HoC for off spec
lucid olive
on Vexie for example you hold 2nd CA and 3rd trees for the burn phase so you have 2 sets of treants+CA and 1 Convoke
leaden birch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/umeboaYd2uvC9sLKeFZw2m
crafted hands wowo
lucid olive
on Sprocket you just send natty
maybe hold on Sprocket if I get the color that has to take gateway on the first knockback since your CDs come up almost right as the knock happens
sturdy perch
i guess hodling a CA for awhile doesnt' really hurt at all since it has 2 stacks now
lucid olive
but if I'm the color that gets knocked instead of taking gateway I just send cooldowns while flying
sturdy perch
ok that makes alot of sense
i think i've bene ove pressing CA ... but you basically have 2 whole minutes you can hold it and not lose any potential casts
sturdy perch
also this is pretty obvious... but before your CA-convoke lineup... dumb astral power... CA then slam convoke then dump ap again
lucid olive
Convoke is usually the longest CD so you hold things to line up with that and follow the specific rules
don't dump AP before using CA generally
sturdy perch
any worry about overcap with convoke?
lucid olive
if you're gonna be overcapped by the Force of Nature AP + the CA AP from proccing 2pc then you can probably send a Starsurge
you dump AP before the Convoke inside CA
so like
sturdy perch
CA... dump... convoke
digital berry
crafted hands wowo
Don’t judge
sturdy perch
ok that makes sense... little tweaks but its getting 15% dmg on the surge spam
helpful info... gives me some stuff to work on! thx
leaden birch
but if you're doing stix then it's treants CA surgesurgesurgesurgesurgesurge wrath surgesurgesurgesurgesurgesurgesurgesurgesurge
orchid ember
You mean starfall?
leaden birch
I'm talking opener on stix
orchid ember
Ah
lofty depot
Volvo sending CDs on opener... Smh
digital berry
I guess we just fight rng and hope to never get picked nowadays, save cds and use on first set of adds
Tho they just die so fast anyway
lime blade
Can you run writhing armor banding with Elemental Focusing Lens?
lofty depot
It doesn't double it so ur just wasting a embell
Wear double lens if that's what u want
lime blade
It doesn't double it so ur just wasting a embell
Zzzz, alright thanks
shadow perch
Grabbing a ring for balance off-spec. Would I ever take the Vers ring over the Crit one if the Crit sims higher?
lime blade
Also, from APL, seems like you pop house of cards every time you can line it up with a cd, and then best-in-slots on any kind of cd when HoC not up. Wouldn't there be times where 30 secs cd fuck a house of cards line up?
The condition in APL is just a bitch to read sorry
long saddle
Would y’all use mythic Synergistic Brewterializer over a herioc energy drink? The sims are saying that’s what I should take from vault but not sure if this is a sim bait… everything else is a dps loss to take in my vault
leaden birch
i dunno if it has changed at all but the brew trink is kinda sim trappy?
I think the apl doesn't use a gcd to pop it 
I'd maybe use it over the energy drink if it simmed significantly higher
because for you to actually get the full benefit of the trink you still have to pop the barrel and not mess up while doing it
energy drink is just brain off go zug zug
leaden birch
it's doodee
jolly delta
what does beans mean in this context btw, forgot to ask
legumes
plush obsidian
hey all, am i good to just craft everything haste/mastery or should i still sim? i see most boomies just crafting everything haste/mastery and using all haste/mastery gems so im a bti confused as my sims are telling me otherwise
teal minnow
Would y’all use mythic Synergistic Brewterializer over a herioc energy drink? Th...
Nah, make your soul happy and sip from the energy drink while smashing starfall.
Balance is for vibes, brewtalizer is not vibes
lofty depot
hey all, am i good to just craft everything haste/mastery or should i still sim?...
Most of the time it's haste/mastery. U should sim it tho
plush obsidian
Most of the time it's haste/mastery. U should sim it tho
yeh it was telling me to use vers/haste or crit/mastery gems and craft crit/mastery or vers/mastery instead of haste/mastery so i wanted to make sure. thanks
blazing quarry
Can anyone recommend a good YouTuber/Guide writer for Balance Druids?
lofty depot
yeh it was telling me to use vers/haste or crit/mastery gems and craft crit/mast...
Usually changing gems around is 0.3% or something and changes back andnforth
lofty depot
Can anyone recommend a good YouTuber/Guide writer for Balance Druids?
Pins > compendium > read it
exotic perch
Usually changing gems around is 0.3% or something and changes back andnforth
but thats why you use all gems colors for the max movespeed buff
130% movespeed is op
lofty depot
Type shit
agile mural
hey all!!
Theres any chance to this sim be accurate?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7s62BM9bxBseyBPBXqTcUJ
lofty depot
If ur worried about 0.2% diff
delicate perch
I would lean towards the on use when it's thats close, even more so in m+
delicate perch
ya
my mdt sim wouldn't let me use hero cards over myth jug/candle but I had bis on use
now I have both bless up
agile mural
If ur worried about 0.2% diff
im, because im bad so o.2% its around 10% of my piece of shit gameplay
lofty depot
Arguably it's -10%
And that assumes in m+ u get the procs when u want
Which is why on use >
digital berry
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7KZeCkUynRxtuqNrGPBHBD
Do i wait for reclears or just pick jastor and call it a day?
lucid olive
noob?
scarlet tapir
I see that Skardyn Core has been used in +21 - is it useful? Vault for reference...
give me this vault on my mage tomorrow
exotic perch
p sure when i grab a moxie jug i get over the hump
lucid olive
yeah for sure
lucid olive
think i sim over 3m on 3 classes
exotic perch
kinda funny that feral isnt close to 3m at full bis
lucid olive
yeah theyre down bad
exotic perch
that class should be 150k above everyone ST
lucid olive
hope they keep feral bad until they make tigers fury be perma uptime again
exotic perch
i just wish the amirdrassil tier was baked into class
would fit with the new tigers fury well
that shit was great
lucid olive
yeah amirdrassil feral was a lot of fun
pseudo merlin
i just wish the amirdrassil tier was baked into class
what was it
exotic perch
feral frenzy was 30sec cd and caused you to do 20% more dam during its duration
pseudo merlin
ohhhh
exotic perch
(2) Set Bonus: Feral Frenzy grants Smoldering Frenzy, increasing all damage you deal by 20% for 8 sec.
(4) Set Bonus: Feral Frenzy's cooldown is reduced by 15 sec. During Smoldering Frenzy, enemies burn for 10% of damage you deal as Fire over 10 sec.
loud kettle
was a good tier set bonus
pseudo merlin
yeah that's good stuff
lucid olive
gave you mini cooldown burst phases and aligned well with convoke
now spec is boring gg
lucid olive
crazymeow should write feral feedback on forums like i do for balance
can see how much it has helped moonkin
pseudo merlin
can see how much it has helped moonkin
ah so this is you?
pseudo merlin
Yeah ofc
scenic mist
ah so this is you?
link pls
lucid olive
pseudo merlin
exotic perch
damn thats it
pseudo merlin
My favorite part is the people commenting who think this is a serious post
exotic perch
he didnt go on a rant
mighty mica
Short and sweet
favorite sabrina album (so far)
pseudo merlin
"DK is supposed to be unkillable, you're a druid, your class fantasy is dying"
pseudo merlin
Oh I saw that
exotic perch
bro that guy on the forums is so based
that is some cooked shit i love it
lucid olive
satellite spacex moonkin
pseudo merlin
favorite sabrina album (so far)
not really my style but i dont hate it
exotic perch
hell yea more laser beams lets go
pseudo merlin
Yeah this guy is cooking
pseudo merlin
Should also make an ability called starlink: allowing the druid to hit its target from anywhere
scenic mist
this is me in bear form btw
lucid olive
Should also make an ability called starlink: allowing the druid to hit its targe...
make it the kyrian covenant power
scenic mist
Should also make an ability called starlink: allowing the druid to hit its targe...
only works if at least 2 other moonkins are in a 15y radius of you
pseudo merlin
pseudo merlin
hahaha
severe hollow
only works if at least 2 other moonkins are in a 15y radius of you
without glyph of stars
scenic mist
without glyph of stars
goes
without
saying
feathers rule
severe hollow
ive heard there are criminals which use glyph of stars
cursive mirage
NA knowers. Is the rep bug fixed or are we still bricked to death
scenic mist
ive heard there are criminals which use glyph of stars
i even stick with the OG skin
meager storm
NA knowers. Is the rep bug fixed or are we still bricked to death
still
cursive mirage
😦
eager raft
NA knowers. Is the rep bug fixed or are we still bricked to death
Worked fine for me
delicate perch
Isn’t it a chance to not get rep
plush obsidian
wowhead says that we get candle trinket from DFC if we dont raid with dinars, but the rookery trinket is simming better for both 1 target and 5 target, is this wrong/bait?
delicate perch
Sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe shit
eager raft
I killed first 3 + oab and mugzee and got rep from all of them
delicate perch
5 target 
hell yeah brother
scenic mist
wowhead says that we get candle trinket from DFC if we dont raid with dinars, bu...
have fun running after your purple balls
plush obsidian
have fun running after your purple balls
didnt they change it so they go to you now?
scenic mist
they do, but take a while to come, + if you move it's joever
plush obsidian
5 target <:kekw:786734507872747551> hell yeah brother
true i just hit 80, usually do 5 for my other characters. what target should i use lol
scenic mist
true i just hit 80, usually do 5 for my other characters. what target should i u...
only 1tar5min is good
plush obsidian
they do, but take a while to come, + if you move it's joever
ah ok
plush obsidian
only 1tar5min is good
oh rly? we only sim for ST?
scenic mist
it's the only supported scenario for the APL
that and MDT sim, but it's a pain
and as a rule of thumb, if it's better in a 1tar5min scenario, it's better for your M+ adventures too
plush obsidian
it's the only supported scenario for the APL
that and MDT sim, but it's a pain
ah ok good to know, thanks
tacit oriole
Evening @lucid olive ! What was that macro you made for wrath and the cancel aura for dreamstate again
lucid olive
#showtooltip
/cast Wrath
/cancelaura [nocombat] dreamstate
and you use this as your regular wrath keybind ?
lucid olive
yur
i also have /cancelaura [nocombat] Blooming Infusion in there
just so I can regrowth myself after a wipe to full health and not pull the boss with an instant Wrath by mistake 
scenic mist
i also have /cancelaura [nocombat] Blooming Infusion in there
this the kotg 5 regrowth instant wrath proc ?
lucid olive
yeah theres no real tech in cancelling it
scenic mist
there is in gally tbf
during prog i wanted the dr from regrowth on the pull, but had to manually cancelaura the damn proc to not prepull with an instant wrath
i might do the macro
scenic mist
```
#showtooltip
/cast Wrath
/cancelaura [nocombat] dreamstate
```
and having the cancelaura after the /cast rather than before isnt causing any issues ?
(same question for the blooming cancelaura)
lucid olive
and having the cancelaura after the /cast rather than before isnt causing any is...
i do blooming first
having 2nd one after doesnt matter
probably better to have cancelaura last
cause then the 1st wrath is faster
but you cancel it and then gain 2 stacks when the cast ends
also i just usually press the macro in downtime before pull
scenic mist
#showtooltip Wrath /cancelaura [nocombat] Blooming infusion /cast Wrath /cancelaura [nocombat] Dreamstate
something like this then
lucid olive
yeah basically
scenic mist
mmh, seems to not work
the blooming infusion isnt canceled and the wrath goes instant, at least on dummies
lucid olive
yeah i told you there's no real tech to the instant wrath
i just wanted a cancelaura for it so i didn't accidentally pull the boss with an instant wrath without realizing
scenic mist
yeah so just a standalone cancelaura macro on the side
lucid olive
because i spammed regrowth to heal myself up after a wipe
and less button = less headache
havent used it a whole lot this tier anyway cause i just yoink mage food now
scenic mist
and less button = less headache
but
if i get it right, you still have 1 more button
like 1 wrath button and 1 bloom infusion cancelaura button
or can't i read what you're writing ?
lucid olive
nah its just same button innit
but it doesn't matter really there's no point discussing it
people will see this and get confused thinking cancelling blooming is tech
scenic mist
just forget everything i wrote
i'm dumb as a truck
did the macro but kept using regular wrath
macro actually works like a charm
snow sphinx
Yeah but its easier with a DPS. Does this discord have an LFG channel?
lucid olive
can you see it on the channel list
snow sphinx
lol innit
glossy jungle
plush obsidian
Should I follow wowhead in getting 684 signet/candle over heroic HoC and mug's jug?
bloodmallet is saying otherwise (kinda)
jovial hare
Sim your own character
lucid olive
both wowhead bis lists and bloodmallet are resources you should not trust
lucid olive
you could have added "also don't see anyone using it on murlok.io" and youd have the hit the trifecta of useless resources
scenic mist
<:Monka:910850418987393025>
only trust Gamz, and ppl citing Gamz
lucid olive
now that sounds like a terrible idea
plush obsidian
Gamz tell me what to do 
jovial hare
Sim your own character
lucid olive
hero hoc or myth signet is weirder
plush obsidian
usually heroic jug is better than myth wax
I will take this as law and follow it blindly. thanks
scenic mist
I will take this as law and follow it blindly. thanks <a:prayge:1027345989125820...
now that's bait
plush obsidian
now that's bait
ruby trench
Is anyone able to conduct a log review?
digital berry
send it here
sullen stone
digital berry
<:pepeevil:1287804483681652736>
dense steeple
inner pilot
I am trying to min max stats for mythic raiding. And I don’t know how to use the sim program to help make decisions. I have a mythic chest vers/mast and I could transform it into tier crit/haste. and then craft a 681 helmet. But how do I know this is better? And do I convert all my vers gear into crit? Isn’t some vers good? I just don’t know how to make these decisions. Also my current helmet has a socket will the crafted one come with one? :: current stats unbuff= crit 8.92, haste 28.57, vers 4.23, mast 22.95 leech 1% avoidance 3.36. I am 680 ilvl
digital berry
I am trying to min max stats for mythic raiding. And I don’t know how to use the...
crafted doesnt come with sockets, most people craft everything haste / mastery, tier set chest is definitely better since off piece is gloves
inner pilot
Oh then I need to find new gloves
digital berry
but when it comes to simming, since you seem to be very very new at it, i would recommend checking out a video guide like Naguuras
it's ok to go around wearing 5 piece
pretty common
little cove
does anyone have a list of what classes the BIS is best for them so i can see if im highest prio for it next
half fern
when playing BIS and house. im assuming you send house with first incarn and bis with second?
digital berry
when playing BIS and house. im assuming you send house with first incarn and bis...
yes
half fern
or is it other way around?
tight osprey
how can I add the BIS cd to it
Should be able to clone any element and just change the trigger. At least if I'm remembering which one afenar's is
But it'll make it in the same subgroup so it should just work
ruby trench
Is anyone free for a log review?
digital berry
@dense steeple no reclears stream?
ruby trench
redundant to ask on vault day and first raid day of the week XD
lofty depot
Is anyone free for a log review?
postttttttttttttttt the log
dense steeple
<@143129233860984832> no reclears stream?
no raid this week
like were doing a quick heroic blast with some alts and rats for rep
but thats it
and its already half done lmao
digital berry
ohh taking the week off to relax after kill, makes sense
fiery harness
Hi! I am new to retail wow. the new crafting system looks very complicated I want to craft a 681 craft gear. what reagents do i use for my 681?
candid mason
Aside from the normal stuff, you use the two gilded crest items to boost to 681
The merchant is beside the crafting order person
Its 90 gilded per piece to max it out
digital berry
missives yeah
candid mason
Yeah you can add set stats, and embellishments
2 embellishments max per character
(1 per item)
fiery harness
what embellishments do i use? i want to play m+
tight osprey
https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium
Lot of answers about what to run should be in here
fiery harness
Thanks!
upbeat flume
Any new "news" on the belt next week, does it still pretty much suck.
digital berry
disgusting aug players over there i see
digital berry
this is not the way
you never CA without trees
you hold that ca
also starfire is not a spell you should cast that much of
lofty depot
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jZ6CPXKmRwfz9yWt
u shuoldnt be incarning on pull
macro nv to incarn
idk why were starfalling on st
ur likely capped asp at the sunfires
but u should be spamming starfralls
but because of u using cds opn pull u dont have trees
boomkins being very smart
lower than i figuyred
lucid olive
It doesn't matter if you send on pull or not
You're not gonna wipe to not breaking out the first set of bombshells anyway
And there's still people in top 50 on Stix sending on pull
If you decide on saving for first set of sorting and then get picked to roll a ball you just forced yourself to hold cooldowns until like 1:40, and you also won't have for one of the later sets
Sending on pull makes Incarn cap charges and Control starts counting again so you don't desync as bad on the later sets that are more likely to be the progress points
shrewd pivot
leaden birch
do logs not show when people use BIS
lucid olive
Stand on wall on dirt side on pull to outrange the bots during Convoke
Hold 3rd set of trees and then send CDs the second Convoke is up before the new bots spawn
leaden birch
Stand on wall on dirt side on pull to outrange the bots during Convoke
whoa whoa whoa what
real fjord
if you had a brand new boomie and wanted to spend your first 3 chips, what would you buy
lucid olive
do logs not show when people use BIS
Can look at "cheating" buff
lucid olive
if you had a brand new boomie and wanted to spend your first 3 chips, what would...
Moxie jug or house of cards
real fjord
ty
lucid olive
He was vibing
You should do the same
Just use BiS whenever it's not on cooldown and you're using treants
Can hold trees for up to 15s to line up since control of the dream and stuff
fiery harness
are these important? can i just choose a random one?
lucid olive
Void ritual
karmic root
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oRYDBiJpaLzBV1RNytJoY9
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wzLtPJiHb5x7vEmCa6XVq1
I know it says house of cards is better, but what would you guys take here?
karmic root
really? a hero hoc over myth signet?
gentle patio
Yes
leaden birch
we're progging mug with 19 people tonight because one of our guys dc'd and just never came back 8)
digital berry
we're progging mug with 19 people tonight because one of our guys dc'd and just ...
not as bad as soma missing a healer on gally prog cause his mother took his pc away as punishnent ( He is like 22)
south egret
Anyone know's how the dinar catchup will work?
lofty depot
probably do the quest
south egret
yea no shit xD just ment if anyone know like if we get a new quest after the first is done or anything
cursive ridge
is this ok overall dps for a 16 motherlode
the last two motherlodes i ran we were literally 1 second off from timing it
hollow mist
yea no shit xD just ment if anyone know like if we get a new quest after the fir...
theres a quest poster next to the vendor for catchup chips
cursive ridge
lucid olive
is this ok overall dps for a 16 motherlode
3m probably on the low end for sure
If you didnt time the key you could always be doing more dam
lime blade
So huh, how does hoc / best-in-slots work together?
Bind hoc and best-in-slots with incarn, hoc first?
little cove
does anyone else play on ping for m+ on ping with spellque window 400 its rlly hard to not waste a ng stack on pulls
digital berry
does anyone else play on ping for m+ on ping with spellque window 400 its rlly h...
It’s not that big of a deal
lofty depot
- the 1 stack ur likely losings isnt that big
- u can mess with the spellqueu if u want
digital berry
Of course it’s not good but playing on high ping has its limitations
little cove
should i just not bother at all if i cant get it consistant
lofty depot
sure
little cove
would it still be a gain overall in a key with the ng stack lost or would it be better not wasting the 1 stack
lofty depot
idk ur asking a very unique question to something that is already a low % gain
none of which is the reason u wont time a key
little cove
yes but ill take any % i can if we do know the answer if nto all good
alright think i got it i swapped how the macro is on dreamgrove to cancel dreamstate first, changed my rapid trigger on wooting and messed with spellq
i thin kthe first is what helped most
solar arch
Any tips for OAB mythic prog? Just pool AP and send CD’s into starfalls on all add phases? Then surge when no adds are up?
indigo fjord
Hey all, I main rogue and thought I’d give boomy a go so very new - but can seem to work my rot out, I am only 640 il atm but only seem to be able to pull 1mil overall; can someone please help with what I’m doing wrong…I open with moon fires, waiting for tank to gather everything then hit sun fires; pre cast two wrath’s to enter estate > FoE > Incarn > spam starfalls
livid jay
i love that all these fotm boomkins who still fumble their eclipses try to optimize dreamstate precasting stuff
indigo fjord
This for m+ btw
livid jay
u dont need to cast two wraths to enter lunar if you are pressing incarn anyways
other than that sounds fine
livid jay
i love that all these fotm boomkins who still fumble their eclipses try to optim...
that message was not talking about you btw dont interpret it as toxic pls 😄
livid jay
Hey all, I main rogue and thought I’d give boomy a go so very new - but can seem...
if you are ilvl 640 and you are doing piss low keys theres not really a way to tell if its your rotation or the key level and mobs dying too fast
keep playing, watch some other boomkins play
log your dungeons, post a log here and we can look
you know the dreamgrove compendium guide ye?
'pre cast two wrath’s to enter estate > FoE > Incarn > spam starfalls'
--> also think of "spam starfalls" more as "use starfall to not overcap astral power, and to keep starlord up, mainly spam starfire"
pallid bay
i love that all these fotm boomkins who still fumble their eclipses try to optim...
low hanging fruit for anyone opening a log so its just everyones go to, no one wants to listen to "cast more spells" anyway
indigo fjord
Haha nws mate, non-taken
Sorry the dreamgrove guide??
livid jay
Haha nws mate, non-taken
Sorry the dreamgrove guide??
this is the best boomkin guide you will find, it has an aoe prio list for dungeons
indigo fjord
Ahh legend thanks a heap mate, I’ll look into it !
livid jay
roulette wheel bis for infinite front flips
sudden flame
how does it work in moonkin form
south egret
How whould you guys have played this? I dont have HoC or mugjug, and my tier is hero track. I currently have hero HoC in my vault and myth track shoulders. With dinars catchup i can buy a new item this reset.
Should i try my luck in the raid before i make my pick, or should i take HoC and buy Mugjug? 😅
round field
you can always just clear first
south egret
Yea thinking thats the best option, if the rng god is with my i chould get all 3 items xD
pallid bay
how does it work in moonkin form
it dosnt
south egret
Also, im wondering on Rik mythic, do we dot the adds, starfall then back to boss or hard focus them? Only done HC rik so far as boomie and the adds die so fast i cant do more then dot them 😅
sudden flame
Another moonkin L to add to the collection
pallid bay
if you run around as a goofy ass moonkin u deserve it though
livid jay
psure it doesnt work in cat either 😄
livid jay
if you run around as a goofy ass moonkin u deserve it though
let me be a goofy boy
sudden flame
basically changes it to the falling animation
livid jay
jumping in cat form looks different with and without roulette wheel? 😄
sudden flame
yep
empty locust
how many seconds is it acceptable to hold FOE to allign it with incarn ?
pallid bay
pallid bay
if you want to feel worse about it all 3 of my druids has better gear than this
vital hound
if you want to feel worse about it all 3 of my druids has better gear than this
hows eightsune tracking
pallid bay
he needs some flightstones then he's done
vital hound
he needs some flightstones then he's done
surely xfer
pallid bay
ah right
vital hound
pallid bay
60fps nodders
pallid bay
vital hound
livid jay
if you want to feel worse about it all 3 of my druids has better gear than this
they probably also have better allstar ranks than mine
round field
thats his best cauldron log across all 8 characters
vital hound
pallid bay
but how is that +1 luck - is that something that can happen normally too?
no, either dev found it funny or this is some specialjump animation that is only used for falling but +1 luck just defaults to it
pallid bay
btw are u always renaming your "main" druid to dsune?
my main is just always dsune
rest are loot bodies
livid jay
ah, so u are not picking your main off how much loot they get like the liquid/echo/whatever people
oh your loot bodies are also druids 😄
ok
pallid bay
we would have to add couple more splits for that to be viable i think
always someone who can gobble up the gear
empty locust
If i am in this situation on AOE:
- FOE needs ~3 sec to be ready
- My previous eclipse has ended
- Its a good time to send incarn
- Nothing needs doting - theres no reason to use dots outside of just as a filler spell
What do i do for those 3 sec ? use starfire although it will consume one Natures Grace ? Use dots to just wait out the FOE ? Whats the better choice here ? Cuz usually i wanna keep 2xNG for the incarn so im confused what to spend on those gcds
livid jay
we would have to add couple more splits for that to be viable i think
ya was wondering how you guys do it at +-30 WR
pallid bay
we just do 3x splits with like 8 mains in each run or so
livid jay
If i am in this situation on AOE:
- FOE needs ~3 sec to be ready
- My previous e...
make it cool down by pressing some arcane spell
i wouild say
feelycraft tho
round field
we just do 3x splits with like 8 mains in each run or so
worse than a job
empty locust
make it cool down by pressing some arcane spell
like what ?
round field
splits are m+ tier bad
livid jay
like what ?
maybe something needs moonfiring then moonfire
vale pebble
me checking how much u raided compared to us
go ahead
pallid bay
i mean
empty locust
ok so i just dot randomly while waiting
round field
psure iqni would gap those
pallid bay
to come back 2 weeks later
pallid bay
sure buddy
vital hound
pallid bay
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livid jay
i went on vacay
i just looked at your guild, why are you hamstering so many Boomkins 😄
round field
idk ask @vale pebble
vale pebble
i just looked at your guild, why are you hamstering so many Boomkins 😄
stay mad
pallid bay
they need to have replacements for iqni when he quits again
round field
livid jay
xD
quiet drift
Insider information for next tier
quiet drift
Iykyk
vale pebble
my goat
round field
1 heal
pallid bay
can only downgrade
@quiet drift @pure python @ember oxide 
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round field
why did you ping sola...
pallid bay
...
quiet drift
livid jay
why did you ping sola...
so they can give you a coaching session
vale pebble
in any capacity
pallid bay
Solasaurus is a beast
round field
pallid bay
lyric kettle
is NOT allowed to play moonkin
based i agree
hollow mist
grave charm
brothers , everyone playing double passive trinkets in high end keys but sims are hating it
whats that about?
grave charm
im at work but i have myth track eye and it sims a few % points lower
pallid bay
me checking who tf everyone is
round field
me checking who tf everyone is
kyes?
grave charm
over stated the everyone to make a point for a few people , especially chinese teams
scarlet tapir
ur not doing keys where u can play kezan
pallid bay
kezan is good if you can keep stacks going
tight osprey
Kezan is good if your team is amazing and you can support it
pallid bay
house of cards is probably better in most scenarios regardless
tight osprey
Highest keys seem to be exactly what sims well
Mostly cards some kezan, lots of jug
grave charm
kezan is good if you can keep stacks going
what keys would that be
grave charm
i saw sjele run it into a 21 TOP last night and that has RP
but ya i guess its key depended
tight osprey
Guess I can't say since I'm not running 21s but I would think top has enough downtime to make it bad
grave charm
i'd think so too
tight osprey
Then again sometimes you give stuff a try to see if you can make it work idk
grave charm
i guess in a way with Best in slots and card is like having two on use trinkets and that could be clunky , unless you send double incarn
grave charm
well ya but i mean you use Best in slots outside of incarn
round field
do you
tight osprey
I don't because it won't drop
pallid bay
idk your average m+ pusher group probably suck in all regards to the highest key doers
so an on-use has more value
round field
I don't because it won't drop
just buy it?
pallid bay
because of more downtime, not keeping the group in combat for kezan, random deaths, pulls that dont live that long and so on
round field
how dead is this game
where are all the players
its so empty im getting 50 fps more than usual
fiery harness
do people not run m0 anymore? how can i get a m+ key?
scarlet tapir
do people not run m0 anymore? how can i get a m+ key?
go talk to the npc that downs ur key
fiery harness
We need to finish a m0 to get a key first. unless we miraculously find a group
scarlet tapir
im pretty sure the npc gives u a key if u dont have one
round field
dont think you get one if you never did a dungeon
fiery harness
im fresh
fossil hemlock
You don't need to do m0, any mythic dungeon (m0 or m+) will give you a keystone
fiery harness
yea but im not sure if i can find a m+ group
fossil hemlock
Should definitely be more +2s than m0s
pallid bay
yeah
no idea if there's any +2 and what their standards are but 620 is more than enough
fiery harness
is there any addon to show group ilvl?
honest mica
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6a6a8pHjLYBnxcfsxm6G4G
are my stats so fucked that i need to run with circlet? i see many dudus gave up on it
fossil hemlock
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6a6a8pHjLYBnxcfsxm6G4G
are my stats so f...
This is what you care about
merry ibex
I’ve a ring versa mastery with avoidance on my vault mythic track. On st it’s a 0,2% gain, but I ll change with crafted ring haste mastery. Is it worth trade 3,8k haste for avoidance and more mastery? Idk how much can impact on m+ scenario.
fossil hemlock
620 enough?
It sounds like you could get some significant upgrades from just doing things like delves and world content, but yeah 620 is more than enough for +2s
fiery harness
thanks
honest mica
This is what you care about
it's .8 with the top 1, having the 684 equiped, and yeah it matters
but i just dont undderstand why
fossil hemlock
it's .8 with the top 1, having the 684 equiped, and yeah it matters
No it's .8 from current to top, it's .2 from the top without cyrce's to the top one
Cyrce's is just strong, but I'd take that .2% loss and get the extra stamina
Also I wouldn't recommend doing a 5 target 5 min sim
You don't gain anything useful from it
honest mica
well druid is m+ only so usually that's how i sim 1t 5m 5m 5t
fiery harness
Does it matter if I craft polarm or staff
honest mica
didn't take in consideration the stamina, yeah
fossil hemlock
Does it matter if I craft polarm or staff
Not as long as you make sure it has the right primary stat on it
honest mica
for raid ascension for m+ x2 linethreads
fiery harness
for raid ascension for m+ x2 linethreads
I can't find linethreads in the crafting panel. and what does x2 mean?
sudden flame
dawnthread and duskthread
fossil hemlock
I can't find linethreads in the crafting panel. and what does x2 mean?
Dusk and dawnthread doesn't go on weapon, only on armor