balance

[cerulean summit]

I spam though

regardless

hammer those keys

[lofty depot]

just cuz u spam

doesnt mean that ur in said gcd lock

[pallid bay]

i mean high ping isnt necessarily an issue, depending on how high of course, fluctuating ping however is terrible

[lucid olive]

yee

i've played keys on NA with almost 300 ping and wasn't really an issue

[cerulean summit]

bruh what

[lucid olive]

just harder to pull off stuff like turning around last second for the cast on last boss Priory

[cerulean summit]

that sounds absurd

[lofty depot]

u cant do this on high ping

.75 gcd pewpepwppepwpew haste pwejwpepewpewppwepew

[cerulean summit]

whatever skill diff ig

[lucid olive]

ping doesn't matter a lot in WoW if you're not a spec like fire mage or whatever

you can just plan everything

moonkin is very proactive

no procs and shit to react to

[maiden pasture]

people raid from EU on NA servers and the other way around too

at very high levels

[lucid olive]

there are people in EU raiding on NA servers during race to world first

so yeah

[maiden pasture]

p sure some at world first level, most travel for the event tho

[vital hound]

moonkin is very proactive inactive

m+ boomker is so boring

[lucid olive]

very funny

[vital hound]

its insane

ty

[pallid bay]

real based

true

[vital hound]

press starfire

[cerulean summit]

dotting in eclipse is fine if it isn't incarn though right?

[jolly delta]

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/planner

we're so back

[lucid olive]

wheres the paywall i was promised

[jolly delta]

@pallid bay you can have your planner now

[vital hound]

where money

[pallid bay]

curious..

[jolly delta]

what

[jolly delta]

yeah where money?

[vital hound]

classic

[vital hound]

!!!

[jolly delta]

what...

[pseudo merlin]

Did someone say money?

[pallid bay]

i remember certain complaints..

[jolly delta]

i wasn't the one complaining

well I was but not about the stipes

[jolly delta]

btw just fyi (@lucid olive too) I nuked the archive from the main repo

it's on dreamgrove/dreamgrove-archive now

in case you need it at one point

[candid mason]

Hey everyone! Getting back into the game and my guild needs a boomie for mythic. I was wondering if there are any really good creators/guides I should refer to for optimization and stuff

[lucid olive]

the timeline warnings are sus..

[jolly delta]

you had almost two months to complain

[lucid olive]

yeah but i saved it for now

i definitely could not have casted CA 31 more times during the fight..

[jolly delta]

ok they somehow break if you set the fight long enough

[lucid olive]

well i just spammed the CA button

[pallid bay]

you don't set the fight though

[pseudo merlin]

Check out the compendium and the video included, see if you still need more after that. Idk if Naguura is still actively making boomie content but that's the one I always recommended.

[lucid olive]

if you just spam the button

from 3 CA casts

it just starts counting up

but the fight ends here with the last CD finishing

but says i missed 6 casts

[jolly delta]

the fight gets longer the more casts you have

[pallid bay]

the cd finishing seems to determine the end of the fight?

[jolly delta]

yes

so hes making the fight longer by adding more casts

[lofty depot]

fuggn what

[pallid bay]

that makes no sense though

[jolly delta]

and for some reason the warning is incorrectly calculating how many missed casts there are

[jolly delta]

what

if you're casting something then it means you're fighting

[thick badge]

quick question why does LOGS show less overall than the actual details?

[jolly delta]

if you're not casting anything might as well not be in a fight

[jolly delta]

details accounts for active time only

[pallid bay]

i'll let you reread it

[thick badge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hXtLvn6b2CkRcT7D?fight=last @opaque vine log review

its a bricked key with some friends i have it already but just memeing

[jolly delta]

im not sure what you're getting at

you can be less misterious about it if u want

[thick badge]

wanna see if i did anything big wrong ignore some incar holding

[jolly delta]

ideally it would've been nice to allow the user to set the length but it broke in misterious ways so I had to give up

this is the 2nd best thing

[pallid bay]

If you want a feature to tell you about missed casts you can't have the fight length be determined by when a cd will come off cd

[jolly delta]

I can and I have

It might not be 100% accurate, they're just suggestions

At one point I'll allow the user to set the length and it'll work better

You will also get an option to ignore specific warnings in the next few days if you so desire

[pseudo merlin]

Is it normal that I have to bear form twice per pack in a +8 priory

I want to fucking kill myself

Except I don't have to

They're doing it for me

[delicate perch]

If you have beans ilvl the casts in priory are pretty deadly

Too many divine tolls at once is spooky if healer afk too, but it’s a 8 so

[pseudo merlin]

I think I just encountered the worst healer I've ever played with in the history of this game

And that is not hyperbole

It was like this person just wasn't there

if you ever meet this thing in the wild, avoid it

(I don't condone exposing or flaming people based on performance in keys, UNLESS the whole group puts up with them and then they're the one abandoning the key despite nobody having flamed them)

[shut trench]

Yo fello boomies

seen yarrgi skipping some stairs and spot with cat form wild charge althought their is no target to charge to

is their a macro for that

or what is the catch?

[narrow pawn]

"evening" Moon Chickens, quick questions, altough im not sure how to ask it, in dungeons like ToP for example when you either chain pull or just take packs of 3-5 mobs, my damage kinda goes down the drain abit, My big pack aoe is all good, and my ST is pretty decent, just kinda wanna se if this is normal

[lofty depot]

is it bad because ur not casting and running around or

[narrow pawn]

might be that im moving abit ofcourse

but i should have the same problem on large aoe packs aswell

[pseudo merlin]

Post a log

[narrow pawn]

thinking perhaps im missmanaging my cooldowns maybe, so im guessing we should still have pretty good dmg on 4-5 mobs

[narrow pawn]

never done logging myself, il go look at warcraftlog to se if i can dig up anything i suppose

[pseudo merlin]

Check your profile, maybe someone else did

Otherwise they've got a guide on how to log

[narrow pawn]

yeah thats what im thinkin

[pseudo merlin]

It's not that complicated dw

[narrow pawn]

thats good, just tryna learn to get the last parts right, so i can step up to higher keys ^^

cool i actually have one some1 recorded, should i post it here or somewhere else, and just the warcraftlogs link?

[lofty depot]

post it

[narrow pawn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2TnFPY4fCx1v8Agj?fight=6&type=summary

[lofty depot]

foe before incarn

random surge there 😦

wasted dreamstate stacks

always incarn with foe

a lot of cancels there

[narrow pawn]

might be some movement or things dying but ye

i see it

[pseudo merlin]

(wild charge is a dps cd)

[lofty depot]

seems rather od

[narrow pawn]

this log is from, may 17, wich is the one i have since i didnt log myself, i have fixed my issure using dreamstate better, and also being better with foe

[lofty depot]

sorry missed this

[narrow pawn]

but the time not casting isnt good obv

and i cant explain the rando wrath casts there

[lofty depot]

idk the pack u pulled into garugia here

ur not casting

[narrow pawn]

no im doing fuck all it seems

issue seems to be stemming from either misscasts or waiting for stuff, for some reason

[lofty depot]

idk what ur doin

cast in to the big dood

didnt cast ursols either

ursol good on jumpy boys

[narrow pawn]

obv it doesnt look like it, but i do cast vortex on the jumpy boys, but im concerned to what the fuck i was doing this run

[narrow pawn]

it doesnt make sense

[narrow pawn]

this shit is so correct

i wonder about my brain sometimes ya kno, i can pull off the bigger packs just fine, get deffensives out, do good dmg, nice beams and vortex, then i look at this and it looks like ive never played the game

[lofty depot]

seems like u werent prepared for hooks on boss

but being afk for 5 seconds seems crazy

[narrow pawn]

yeah i have no clue as to why either

[lofty depot]

u shouldve also saved it

its a learn to wild charge angle

[narrow pawn]

idd

[lofty depot]

sunfire 1 time

i also dont know why ur wrathing

[narrow pawn]

me neither tbh, seems i must learn to keep my priorites better

[lofty depot]

i generally odnt incarn the first platform

usually u have a mage spell steal it

but nonetheless the shit dies in 3 seconds

and this one has mroe hp

[narrow pawn]

do i not however

wanna focus down the bone magus

[lofty depot]

u died tho

tragic

[narrow pawn]

indeed

[lofty depot]

uhhh

[pseudo merlin]

I died 9 times due to starfall generating instant aggro on targets the monkeys in my group bodypulled, before first boss in priory 7

Balance druid is a fucking adventure I swear to god

[lofty depot]

confused by question, probably but the point was to cd that pack

which u didnt do

u cd'd the w.e. the fucks

[narrow pawn]

yeah sorry i missread what u ment

yes

the CD is better on the other pack

since they dont die in 2.2 seconds

[narrow pawn]

relatable

[pseudo merlin]

😿

[narrow pawn]

perhaps one should log more, to keep track off myself abit

learn to read it aswell

[pseudo merlin]

Definitely helpful, recording your own gameplay might help too

banger app

[narrow pawn]

well this was a nice Roasting session, i feel well burned, joking ofcourse, its a get better angle

honestly not the problems i was expecting, none the less, its good to know what i need to work on, or well some of them were

[pseudo merlin]

an extra pair of eyes is always good for checking your own gameplay

an external set*

[narrow pawn]

indeed, i just dont know how to explain some of the stuff being done

^^

[lucid olive]

just push button

vibe

[narrow pawn]

^^

appriciate it boys and thanks to @lofty depot ! have a good one!

[lucid olive]

hope he has a bad one

[stone tiger]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uNJfL4Rw5UdkUEUSkUEPiZ
Is it worth getting Mug's Moxie Jug Hero 671 for my last Cartel Chip looking at this? I ran 1 boss 5 minutes, not sure how that translates into m+. Would it really be better than Myth Signet + Myth Blazikon?

[lucid olive]

moxie jug good trinket

[stone tiger]

That being said I don't really have anything else to buy for coins, I'm not raiding mythic

[pseudo merlin]

I'm going to hack you and macro /cancelaura dreamstate into all your abilities

[stone tiger]

Would maybe be Reverb for resto to try

Anyone got an opinion? 🙂

[narrow pawn]

fuck actually that reminds me, can you cancelaura starlord anymore to unfuck the stack cycle?

[round oracle]

just as before

[narrow pawn]

then im confused, /cancelaura starlord does nothing

[violet hinge]

hey guys, not played balance since like SL, but did it get a lot easier compared to then?

just hopped on the balance to see what the crack is, kinda interested in maybe playing it, and it seems alot more simple then what it used to be.

essentially fury of elune on cd, keep things dotted, starfire to build, starfall to spend? (wrath twice back into lunar)

[lucid olive]

a lot easier

[delicate perch]

Congrats you’ve mastered EC gameplay

[violet hinge]

🤣 ok i wanted to make sure im not tripping...

i remember back in the days when it was like actually complicated, with the moons, half moons etc etc and the entire playstyle was based around those etc.

I was like wait surely this cant be right

[pseudo merlin]

You can still cancelaura starlord

[violet hinge]

and ST is literally the exact same rotation but starsurge instead of fall? 🤣

[pseudo merlin]

I just don't see the need for it

[lofty depot]

u can still cancel starlord for feels

its not an increase tho

[violet hinge]

why am i doing 5m dps on 5 targets with an agility staff and an agility trinket... pressing 4 buttons

this shit busted

[lofty depot]

is that a lot

[violet hinge]

no but its kinda broken for 655 ilvl and agility trink and wep i guess

[pseudo merlin]

it's really not

[violet hinge]

its more then what any other class would do at 655 ilvl and the wrong gear

[delicate perch]

what 5 targets are you hitting

the 5 dummies that are in starfall range of the other ones?

[iron chasm]

You just don’t understand the complexities of balance Druid. The eclipse mini game. The thrill of lunation. Its not just a spec, it’s a genuine life commitment to master.

[desert imp]

guys questions for treants use. I usually use them on cd after pooling AP so that i can use a few SS as soon as they give me the buff unless the incarn is less than 10 secs then i hold it. Is that ok?

[lofty depot]

after the 2nd use of CA, CA is used with convoke

which both are used with trees when is available

this comes into contention at 330 when trees and ca are up, but convoke is not

[desert imp]

so always hold trees for CA?

[lucid olive]

No that's not what he said

[lofty depot]

as a generality, u use trees on cd and can hold CA for when its best to use

[desert imp]

ok got it, thanks

[formal crest]

ty pwincess

[cerulean summit]

what % gain are augment runes? I always see people use them when doing keys but they are so fucking expensive

[formal crest]

i never see anyone use them lol

bvut its minimal gain

[lofty depot]

nah hes lying

its massive

[cerulean summit]

it's like 0.3% no?

[delicate perch]

30% at least

[cerulean summit]

I'm spitballing here

lol

[delicate perch]

[formal crest]

man yall talking out your ass

that shit is not worth to use in keys

actually

yeah go buy like 1k surely after you do that they announce a perma aug rune and the price drops and you loise your money

[obsidian jetty]

I use the infinite one from last xpac in keys. Gives like 80 int 😎

[delicate perch]

[lofty depot]

thats big int

[vital hound]

i heard it was 9.11%

[delicate perch]

checks out

[cursive mirage]

@lofty depot fix pepsi's opener please

[lofty depot]

u were supposed to talk to me not only thursday, but friday and/or saturday

i will not be ordered around

[cursive mirage]

😦

I am v sorry

as I am complaining to my recruitment officer about right now, buying this house and moving has had me so fucked up

I haven't done shit for wow in weeks

but we are so back (mostly) now

[lofty depot]

didnt know u bought a house

in this economy, congrats

[cursive mirage]

yeah its been a wild time

[lucid olive]

Just make alts and go into the Undermine raid and loot 3 augment runes from the slot machine..

It's fuckin free

[lofty depot]

gamz chiming in an hour later

[lucid olive]

Dawg it was like 40 minutes

[elder remnant]

SUIIIIIIIII

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/mggLqhzxMjK.gif

[lofty depot]

what the

why we deleting

[cerulean summit]

cause I realized you just out range it

[verbal basin]

no reason to delete it helps others learn

[cerulean summit]

was a spectrum question anyways

[verbal basin]

did you like the way GOT ended

[lofty depot]

uhhhh mostly no

[candid mason]

I was reading the feedback post earlier and it said that solar beam can miss targets if they aren't stacked pixel perfect. Is that still the case?

[lofty depot]

yes

[delicate perch]

idk about pixel perfect but it's quite a small size beam

[golden belfry]

Have a link?

[delicate perch]

how does he see it but be unable to see what he had as target

[golden belfry]

Idk

[graceful python]

hey, anyone have a decent innervate weakaura to share? like sound when someone whisper inn me or smth

[pallid bay]

wago.io/InnervateMe

[violet hinge]

this economy is fine you just need a partner💀

basically impossible on your own, hop on tinder and ur chilling

[round field]

yea

a partner that makes 6 figures

[jade flume]

Hopped on tinder, got depression now gg

[maiden pasture]

"this economy is fine you just NEED 2 incomes to be able to live" is a crazy understanding of the word fine

[vital hound]

mouseover?

[silver sky]

Anyone wanna hook up that makes 6figures? I can do your weeklies

[violet hinge]

I mean while I was joking it is possible with 1 income, but guess what if you're on your own with an average job you don't need a 3 bed house

[jade flume]

Luckily you wont be able to afford any house

Dont need to worry about bedrooms

[violet hinge]

I live in Devon and there's affordable housing for solo occupants.

[round field]

thats cause no one wants to live in england

shithole

[jade flume]

Well, you're a lucky man i guess. My friend recently bought an apartment, he makes decently more than avg here and they can barely afford the loan with their paychecks together

And it wasnt a very big apartment either, let alone a house

[violet hinge]

which country?

[jade flume]

Poland

[violet hinge]

hmm yeah idk anything about Poland but that sucks, don't get me wrong the economy is defo fucked and definitely almost impossible solo, but i think if you're good with your money etc it can be done

[round field]

good with money

aka eat bread and 10 cent ramen 3x a day

[violet hinge]

no just stop buying wow tokens smh

[jade flume]

Just depends where you work, its definitely possible for anyone with a good job for a foreign company, but if ur making even avg its rough

[violet hinge]

I think it also depends where u live, I'm on like 30k a year in England and I'm chilling, my friend is on 60k on Norway and is broke as fuck

[jade flume]

Yeah for sure

[round field]

bing chilling

12k a year

[jade flume]

Ye im around there too

Getting paid with equivalent of a breadsticks and 2 packs of ramen(cheaper ones)

[round field]

i remember workin during the season

and have german tourists come complain

how expensive everything is

like bitch you make 3x more than we do

ur not allwed to complain

[violet hinge]

I feel like you're just young tho right?

this shit isn't even legal in the UK😂

[jade flume]

He's probably not from uk, most countries earn less than you guys do tbf

[violet hinge]

ye but 12k a year has to be part time or something, there's NO way

that is fucking criminal, even our apprentices earn more then that and they're not even supposed to get paid alot because they're technically students still studying

[round field]

xd

[jade flume]

12k euro is about 51000zl, which is above the minimum wage in poland

[round field]

cope

im on the

better part of 3rd world shithole countries

[pallid bay]

bro out here discovering there's a whole world outside of his shitty island 💀

[violet hinge]

sounds like you love in Venezuela 💀😂

[round field]

pf

[violet hinge]

but I'm the one saying affording a house ain't that bad and they're saying they earn 12k and can't afford to live

[round field]

not even close

[pallid bay]

congratz on choosing your spawn point bro

[hollow mist]

my spawn point sucks can I remake my character

[pallid bay]

depends on your religion

[jade flume]

I could say how but i dont wanna get banned

[hollow mist]

Buddhist

[hollow mist]

[pallid bay]

are you enlightened? if not just go agane

[jade flume]

It is men mental health awareness week or month tho, hype

[hollow mist]

yea I sat under the world tree and become one with all existence I'm vibing

[round field]

i am unaware

[pallid bay]

no samsara for u

[violet hinge]

I mean you flamed my country not me

[pallid bay]

real

[round field]

i mean

its england

[hollow mist]

that's chill I'm content with my mark on the world

[round field]

what do you expect

[maiden pasture]

As someone that lives in England, I agree fuck England

[iron chasm]

🦘 🦘 Aus gang 🦘 🦘

[jade flume]

Man australia wouldve been better, if not baseline +200 ping to every online game

[south egret]

So im pretty new to boomie, and i know in not supose to but on ST, IF i get distracted or something and i accidentally keep sending wrath and i enter lunar eclipse instead of solar, do i swap to starfire during that eclipse or do i continue with wrath? My guess is wrath since its faster cast, better on ST and om just using it as a builder. But wanted to ask anyway if i may be wrong:)

[misty patrol]

I WAS WRONG, wrath good, oi is lord and savior

[delicate perch]

https://tenor.com/view/spanian-hood-oos-gif-21062983

[pallid bay]

[misty patrol]

Really ?

[pallid bay]

[misty patrol]

when did this change

[pallid bay]

after the wrath buff

[misty patrol]

I fixed

[pallid bay]

🫡

[misty patrol]

guess I should update myself clearly working in 1900's

[south egret]

So im correct with my assumption that i whould keep using wrath then, cool 👍

Glad to be right about something haha

[misty patrol]

Glad you asked...I'm not as smart as I thought I was

[jade flume]

Unless oi is baiting u

He's evil

[misty patrol]

[south egret]

My guess is that this happens to many from time to time xD figured someone has to know this 😅

[misty patrol]

He wouldnt...

or would he

[vital hound]

sune is just a whitename

idk why anyone listens

[sudden flame]

only boomkin that has a brain

[misty patrol]

Oi could tell me earth was flat

I'd believe it

[pallid bay]

gg

[drifting nova]

come to the right place then

[jovial barn]

yoyo, what to pick between heroic best in slot and crafted staff? (I will never have access to mythic best in slot)

[sudden flame]

crafted

[jovial barn]

Thanks for answer 🙂 . That's what I assumed also + it's said sometimes the same. Wanted one head up!

nice cat btw

[sudden flame]

[scarlet tapir]

love me some monday morning queues there are no 19s on lfg

[jade flume]

Aint no way ur pugging 19s twist

[round field]

Seek professional help

Imagine u wake up

[scarlet tapir]

what choice do i have

[round field]

Monday morning and think to ur self

"i could pug some mplus"

Ill

[jade flume]

Didnt know u were built like that

[maiden pasture]

Get some friends?

[jade flume]

Buy a house angel

[maiden pasture]

So real

[scarlet tapir]

im missing 18 psf and floodgate but they are hard to come by cause people dislike those keys

[jade flume]

Yeah im not surprised

Its oracle season so its afk season, so i havent done any key above 12 lol

[scarlet tapir]

its super easy oracle no?

i barely press it anyway

when im healing 12s

so id imagine its another cd on higher keys

[jade flume]

Idk im not playing that spec for free

At least im getting gold for the raids

[scarlet tapir]

u could be getting tips per try on high keys

gg

missing out

[jade flume]

Nah, keys take too much time tbh, maybe ill push for title at the end of the season if i can get it in like 2 weeks

Kinda cba spending more time

[maiden pasture]

The tips thing is silly but also blame the people that actually pay 👍

[jolly delta]

i hate reddit

[viral veldt]

I’m still renown 9. I started doing LOU a bit later. The “catch-up” mechanic shouldn’t make me be able to reach at least renown 14 then?

Sry for the offtopic btw

[delicate perch]

you'd think that

[violet hinge]

Just gearing up my balance, just got Voltaic Stormcaller on Hero track, still worth crafting weapon?

[scenic mist]

yes

unless you can buy Myth BIS

[violet hinge]

nop, so craft weapon it is

[round field]

enjoy getting 2 renown per week

catchup in 10 years

[delicate perch]

cool system

[signal temple]

I'm content doing all 10s. Just one to go.
I'm halfway to all 12s on Rogue. Rookery stinks.

[violet hinge]

@jade flume oracle is nice change ngl

[jade flume]

I hate it

[viral veldt]

Feelsbadman

[slow flume]

been doing search in regards of prio dmg in balance chat, but yet has gotten any answer that when you have a pack of mob that requires to prio dmg what would be better ? starfire+starfall or starfire+starsurge?

[lofty depot]

Well surge is more prio but less overall

But ur main prio would come from targeting the correct mob

Make the arcane do the actual prio

[violet hinge]

as a filthy casual balance druid that doesnt really care that much but doesnt wanna troll myself too much, is Circlet still needed until myth bis replacement?

[lucid olive]

You don't swap it out in raid, swap it out for crafted ring and 684 jastor diamond in m+

[twin coral]

quick question, do we want signet to proc mastery or haste in m+? my 2 stats are so close together that i can basically choose with food which stat is higher

[lucid olive]

Mastery

[twin coral]

thanks

[heady herald]

guys any1 have an idea how can i make shift scroll down as a key binding?

quick kb doesnt let me do it

any ideas?

[severe hollow]

cant you just do it in keybinds?

[barren carbon]

It should work. Check your other keybinds to make sure it's not already taken by something else

[severe hollow]

yea

actually it even is a keybind by default

shift mousewheel changes your actionbars

[heady herald]

i go to qkb i mouse over the action bar slot i want to kebind and i press shift scroll down and nothing happens

ho

[heady herald]

ok i think i know what u mean sec

ok ccool its working

thx lol

i wonder why qkb doesnt let me do it

[severe hollow]

probably because its already bound

no idea what that addon is but as I said you already had that hotkey (in all likelyhood)

[robust garnet]

I need severe help. I just started trying to play balance this reset and I'm struggling. I'm comparing my logs to others in the same key level, and even though I may have more casts of a spell, my damage per spell is wayyyy less. I feel like I'm missing a core piece of information here. Please help me stop parsing 2s
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/r1fqvmanTWt7k2Jg?fight=106&type=damage-done

[real dome]

how tf am i supossed to survive high keys? barkskin and pots aint enough, cant go into bear form all the damn time.

[lofty depot]

Yes u can

[sly jewel]

bear form

[lofty depot]

Get a shield tracker and learn what would kill u

[real dome]

whats a shield tracker

[severe hollow]

[sly jewel]

hhh

[lofty depot]

I'm omw to a job so can't really go but u

Ur dotting in ur CDs and later ur not casting enough starfires

Read the prio list

[lofty depot]

Tracks the shield amount ur healer gave u

[signal temple]

• DH tank charges into first bosses of ToP
• Gets one-shot
• types "lmao"
• leaves group

Just when you think people are too hard on Demon Hunters over their supposed bad reputation.

[brittle oasis]

Cant remember the last time a DH didnt trip and fall in one of my keys

[signal temple]

Then had a ML where the DH tank was pulling real weird and the healer just stopped caring a bit before the Pummeler, let tank die, and left.

Moral of the day: don't join groups with Veng DHs

[quiet drift]

Thats like 90% of the groups this season

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[signal temple]

They're either just plain bad or play like a kid hyped on sugar and Red Bull

[robust garnet]

It's significantly better than last season.

[glossy cairn]

Is that weapon Neural Synapse Enhancer so bad or why is no boomie using it? 😄

[lucid olive]

it has less primary stat than other weapons to make up for the on-use

and the on-use doesnt line up and our CDs are not powerful enough for the staff to be worth it

[glossy cairn]

thx 🙂

[bronze tartan]

what's generally better in a raid boss like mug'zee for example, hold 3rd trees for trees+inc+convoke, or send 3rd trees and then delay inc+convoke a bit to line up with 4th trees?

i.e.

or this

or is this the standard:

1. send all
2. trees+inc
3. send all
4. trees
5. trees
6. send all
7. trees
8. send all
   ???

[lofty depot]

Lorrgs is ur friend

Depends if ur holding or not prob

[arctic gazelle]

Is there any situation where full moon is acceptable vs fury of elune?

[bronze tartan]

yeah on lorrgs most seemed to be holding trees to send it with convoke, i.e., to avoid unnecessary long delay on convoke

[lofty depot]

Not currently

[exotic perch]

its really just looking at the cd of things before you send it

convoke ca up in 1 min? send trees

stuff like that

[gentle rune]

Hey guys! I need some help. The solar eclipse doesnt work with this talent tree? I mean, make sense as we are now kind of elune's choosen. But there is nothing tha says this

[obsidian tapir]

someone smarter then me why does it show only agility on it ?

[glacial hemlock]

@obsidian tapir read second part

of the use effect

[obsidian tapir]

so I use it to change it to intelect right ?

[glacial hemlock]

y

[obsidian tapir]

ty so much

[slow flume]

thanks for the answer. I have a bad comp so I was wondering if starsurge would be a great idea to put more prio dmg into it. Thanks again much appreciated

[weary urchin]

if it makes you feel better, i did 7 keys with it on agi wondering why my dmg wasn't going up before realizing

[obsidian tapir]

wtf =))))

[drifting nova]

keep doing it, devs will see and buff us trust

[quiet drift]

They will give us 30% Agility scaling

[fossil shard]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-robinson-i-think-you-should-leave-you-sure-about-that-gif-22429959

[round field]

read bottom left talent

[drifting nova]

if agility made your char faster sure

yknow like a proper game

[lucid olive]

Not only can you read the bottom left hero talent, but you can also use the search bar at the bottom left of the talent page and search up "Solar Eclipse" and it will highlight every talent that mentions it

Crazy tech with the talent pages they introduced in Dragonflight

[maiden pasture]

gotta respect the "there is nothing that says this" with confidence

[lucid olive]

Shoutout compendium faq

[exotic perch]

tbf this tech is pretty unknown by most

but ye its lunar calling lol

[gentle rune]

thanks guys! and sry about my dumb and newbie question haha

[exotic perch]

read your talents!

[lucid olive]

Yeah I know, it's just funny cause the search bar is right there

[gentle rune]

I did, but of course I didnt take so much attention about this talent

but tys

[lucid olive]

The FAQ point is also followed by this absolute banger

[exotic perch]

i think ive used it once this whole time its been out lol

[lucid olive]

I use it on almost every spec I learn

[exotic perch]

digging through the tree and reading it all instead of searching couldnt be me

[lucid olive]

I read on Wowhead class guide about some buff and I just search up the buff in talent tree and see what it does and which talents it's from and whatnot

[exotic perch]

i just go to wowhead grab their talent tree slap it in then figure it out later lol

dont need to optimize on my shitty alts

[lucid olive]

Use atrocity weakauras, see some random shit glows, look at triggers to see what it's glowing for etc

[lucid olive]

Yeah I do this, and then learning the other shit is step 2

After I've inted some keys

[exotic perch]

see i just dont int keys cause i only really play 1 toon

[lucid olive]

I could never

[round field]

excuse me what

[exotic perch]

i just play feral when i want something different

[lucid olive]

Turbo boost did ruin my motivation to keep my alts updated though

[exotic perch]

i thought about actually using turbo boost but realized i really didnt care

main was already done so whats the point

[lucid olive]

Went from needing like 100 crests on my DH to needing 500 so now I just raid log my other guys

Do two 6/8 alt runs and one full clear per week usually

Brought warlock for full clear yesterday so just gonna slam druid on alt run tomorrow

Now warlock is jastor diamond and moxie jugged up

[exotic perch]

we just do one night clear w/e we get done

nice n casual

[lucid olive]

Yeah idk I just like raiding, the other parts of the game currently is completely whatever

Having to do vision to buy head enchant for alts is also very annoying

Imagine doing delves for the belt will also suck after the first character

[dry compass]

one day borrowed power quest progression will be properly acount wide

circlet wasnt too bad, only took ten minutes on subsequent toons

unless you tried to keep them current

[lucid olive]

Yeah circlet was alright

[stray hamlet]

how do you guys feel about the entropic skardyn core. its simming the highest for me rn but idk how annoying collecting the orbs will be

[lucid olive]

And you could buy the gems after unlocking them first time

And you had so much of the currency it didn't matter

[dry compass]

they fly back to you now

[orchid ember]

They auto fly back to you

[lucid olive]

The orbs go to you

[dry compass]

you can put zero effort into collecting them and it's a good trinket

[stray hamlet]

ah nice

[lucid olive]

Guys do you think he knows the orbs fly towards you now

Surely one more person can tell him and he'll know

[dry compass]

and if you really want to you can game it a little by walking into/away from the orbs to gain a marignal uptime increase

[exotic perch]

i do wish visions gave more of the currency

[stray hamlet]

nice ill pick it up then

[dry compass]

put your masks on big boy

[exotic perch]

god i think ill have to do like 8-10 full clears for the rewards

yea with 8 mask you get around 5k

mount is 40k

[lucid olive]

That's 5 head enchants

Deadge

[dry compass]

yeah pricing on the rewards is a little stupid

clearly want to keep people logging in to do it lol

[orchid ember]

They did the same thing in BFA

[exotic perch]

yea i mean i think you just do like 4 easy masks and blast it and thats the way

instead of all of them

[orchid ember]

The mount was 100k mementos back then

[dry compass]

if you got together a team of blasters I bet sprinting through with 8 masks isn't too bad

[orchid ember]

And it took even longer to farm them

[dry compass]

group of 3 and a group of 2 split up and speedrun that shit

[exotic perch]

its hard do that cause it scales so hard

way easier solo just play a tank and pull everything

[dry compass]

i mean I do it solo on boomie with tank soridormi

she dies often but that's a worthy sacrifice

[orchid ember]

I just did them solo

[exotic perch]

just play bear for the entire thing then go moonkin for end boss is the way

[orchid ember]

Yeah that works

[exotic perch]

easy afk visions

[lucid olive]

i just don't do them

[lucid olive]

circlet was fine, but i think that patch is the only time i actually wanted to quit playing

[exotic perch]

i mean you said you dont like collecting so it makes sense

[lucid olive]

mostly because of all the bugs with the events

[dry compass]

yeah the isle patch was a mess

[lucid olive]

after the 3rd hour of trying to kill that fucking boss in the cave

with everybody and their mother having some cooked ideas on what the bug was and how to do it without it bugging

and they were all dead wrong every time

[dry compass]

i don't mind them bringing back old content that got nixxed but between it being generally uninspired and super buggy it was just... blah

[exotic perch]

yea they shoulda done more with visions

not literally the same shit

just 3 boring masks

[dry compass]

i dont mind visions cause I didn't play BFA so they're "new" to me

but even then the story tie-in is a little.... weak

[lucid olive]

yeah i guess, kinda depends what it is i guess

i also didn't play BFA but visions are not interesting to me

there's some shit in WoW that i don't mind collecting idk

i wanna get the trenchcoat from undermine

but that seems like a turbo boring grind

[exotic perch]

yea im just saying they coulda brought visions back and done them in dornogal/valdrakken

[strange granite]

I think you can afk it(?)

[exotic perch]

instead of repeating sw/org

[strange granite]

A couple friends said you gain rep by just afking somewhere

[exotic perch]

and made rewards still not as grindy

[strange granite]

Never really looked into it tho

[exotic perch]

those friends are griefers

[lucid olive]

hey i dont mind being a griefer

[exotic perch]

there is no afk grind lmao

[strange granite]

Ah yeah I'd be a griefer too

[lucid olive]

wheres the afk spot

[strange granite]

No clue sorry

[exotic perch]

you have to tag mobs and kill them near the submarine in undermine

groups will do 2x4 there and just spam

[lucid olive]

theres a submarine?

[exotic perch]

yes?? its northeast corner by the beach

[lucid olive]

yeah i've seen 2x4 groups in LFG but idk what that means

[jolly delta]

2 groups of 4 people

[exotic perch]

its so you bypass tagging rules

[leaden birch]

finally got oab down and I parsed horribly

[jolly delta]

so you dont steal tags

[leaden birch]

[exotic perch]

2x4 means 8 people can get a tag instead of 1x5 which is the cap

[lucid olive]

word

[exotic perch]

so if you go in there and afk and try to steal a groups tags lets say those 8 people will be unhappy

[leaden birch]

im surprised gamz has no idea what 2x4 farming is

boomkin is the top of the top when it comes to 2x4 farming

or maybe monks are

[exotic perch]

ye we gods at that farming

[maiden pasture]

ye same

its like

7 hours or some shit aint it

[exotic perch]

roughly if you do that beach farm

or can do trash piles

truly a dumb grind blizz put in

another thing that should be halved lol

[real shard]

what do you guys preferm in m+ best in slots or 1h + oh?

[lofty depot]

If u don't like double one use, dont use it

[shrewd pivot]

for something like ipa boss in meadery, do you double dot all the brew drops

[exotic perch]

if you are the only spread cleaver then prob

they do need to die

[shrewd pivot]

unlses they're somewhat grouped, moonfiring/sunfiring all of them takes a while

[lucid olive]

and without your dots on them you do 0 dps

so just depends if anyone else is killing them

[shrewd pivot]

would it ever be worth dotting them with either moonfire or sunfire but not both

or just full commit or don't commit

[jolly delta]

a sunfire is probably almost always worth it

there's no rule that says that you either do both or none

[dense steeple]

Wait someone just taught gamz something?

Crazy timeline

[jolly delta]

but it really depends on the key level and on the damage pattern of the other dps

[brittle oasis]

is it work holding/delaying CA to line up with House of Cards? or is it just send both when they are up

[digital berry]

you hold

sending house without cds is cringe

[lucid olive]

i have no clue about rep grinds or anything like that man

i log in do the content i like

do some light roleplaying for fun

then sit on top of a tree in owl form until i log out

[exotic perch]

ye house goes with convoke, then you slot the bis uses with the trees/ca on the other ones

[brittle oasis]

Thank you.

[dense steeple]

honestly peak

[exotic perch]

Also using treant form and standing in fire is cool too

[quaint rain]

What's the best video guide for balance m+ gameplay?

Is Naguura good?

[lucid olive]

sure

tarisant good too

watching dwilkz stream good

Naguura has been doing some m+ bootcamp stuff thats worth to watch

esp the episode with Krona

[quaint rain]

Cheers

[glossy jungle]

Thank you @jolly delta for the CD planner

[exotic perch]

Why not tequila sunrise@quaint rain

[quaint rain]

It's a reference to Disco Elysium

[lucid olive]

i'm more of a rnb guy than disco guy

[jolly delta]

hopefully people will actually use it

people are gaslighting me into collaborating with viserio

[exotic perch]

Yea disco can be lame

[bronze cedar]

Hi, anyone could help me out a bit?
What am I gaining if I am using macro: /cancelaura dreamstate? I know what this macro does, I am curious what am I gaining DPS wise. (And when should I use it?)

[olive vale]

anyone got tips for mythic one arm ?

[lofty depot]

dreamstate stacks

[lofty depot]

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/raids/liberation_of_undermine?roles=Balance%2CDPS

[bronze cedar]

Hi, sorry still don't understand what's the benefit of canceling Dreamstate. Could you please explain?

[vital hound]

i always knew you were only doing this for the FAME and GLORY

just like gamz is motivated by stacks of cash

[lucid olive]

if you cancelaura your dreamstate before going to a pack you can send 2 Wraths to enter Lunar before the tank has pulled and will be in Eclipse with 2 Dreamstate stacks while dotting

its a small minmax

but you should just add /cancelaura [nocombat] Dreamstate into your Wrath

i have it like this

[signal temple]

Could I have some?

[vital hound]

there aren't any

he's just motivated by em

[lucid olive]

my motivation to get up in the morning is to share funny instagram reels

[vital hound]

[delicate perch]

wtf is viserio

[vital hound]

healer nerd shit

just press rejuv bud

[exotic perch]

used for cd management

[delicate perch]

just fkn heal innit

[vital hound]

ya bro

press rejuv and put the fries in the bag

idek

[hollow mist]

💯

[jolly delta]

cd planner but for healers

[delicate perch]

[jolly delta]

I mean it looks p good and works fine, but I don't know how someone is expected to plan CDs when CA doesnt have charges and there's no COTD

[vital hound]

was this designed by the folks behind the new apple update

[delicate perch]

[jolly delta]

i legit dont know whats with wow websites and showing an unreadable vomit of information on the screen

must be because they're too used to WAs so they got desensitized

[digital berry]

why does it show 10 minutes of a 2 minutes fight

everything is so damn squished together

[arctic gazelle]

I find myself shoved WAY into DR on mastery becaue of the jastor diamond. Should i be trying to shed some for haste.. or does it not matter?

[jolly delta]

thats the default zoom

you can make it look better by changing the zoom

[vital hound]

probably a combination of 1) no ui/ux experience 2) not a designer/visually inclined 3) working for free so dont care

[vital hound]

sim it

[arctic gazelle]

fair. ok thanks.

[jolly delta]

I'm also not a designer and no ui/ux experience but the dreamgrove planner is peak

[digital berry]

Dr is fake just sim

[jolly delta]

also yeah viserio is definitely not working for free

[vital hound]

because you have 6 druids yelling at you

[jolly delta]

that website alone must've cost tens of thousands

where's my patreon money

[digital berry]

Are there adds everywhere to make up some of the costs ?

[vital hound]

patreon is doing 5k nzd per month minimum

but probably wasn't when they first made it

[jolly delta]

i mean, viserio's spreadsheets were used way before then

im sure he had lots of supporters

[jolly delta]

idk im not browsing the web without an adblocker

[digital berry]

True that

[delicate perch]

my youtube adblocker stopped working for a day

terrible timeline

[digital berry]

Bro id bite the bullet and get YouTube premium if it wasn’t expensive as fuck

Since I watch most of my YouTube on my phone

[jolly delta]

yeah it told me that I had to stop using adblock as well

in a scary way

[delicate perch]

[jolly delta]

i clicked "lmao ok" and continued to watch the video

[delicate perch]

I just reinstalled it the day after and they did not tell me anything

[vital hound]

it stopped working after you told me to swap to your one

[delicate perch]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-cant-tell-me-nothing-angry-yeezy-yeezus-gif-7392675

[vital hound]

that was a real test

[jolly delta]

why aren't yall using brave

[delicate perch]

the one I sent is purely for twitch btw

not an all adblocker

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/bVQJy.gif

[eager raft]

i got it a few weeks ago and i thinik its big worthg

i use youtube a lot on my phone and TV

[digital berry]

I just went ahead and installed brave

I didn’t know it was even a thing

19$ a month is insane just to remove adds

[eager raft]

if u buy annual its a fair bit less

its also just less than $19 base

[delicate perch]

youtubes racist to oce and doesn't let us get annual plans

but I think ours is not $19 aud so that sounds insane if it's usd

[eager raft]

it was hard for me to to find, it wasnt an option when i just clicked 'get premium'

[delicate perch]

[eager raft]

whack

[delicate perch]

5.86/11.07usd for ours

[eager raft]

what is premium lite

[delicate perch]

ad free but also maybe ads?

lemme pay $9 for a rng chance of ads hell yeah

[eager raft]

ridiculous

[vital hound]

no annual is insane

wth google

[delicate perch]

netflix does that too, cheaper monthly with some ads

[vital hound]

[delicate perch]

[lyric kettle]

background play is kinda goated though

ngl

[dire tide]

Hello, any log wizards around?

[delicate perch]

@lofty depot

[dire tide]

i've got a M+ log i'd like someone to have a look at and advise on, if possible

[delicate perch]

if you post it he'll see it eventually, or someone else might get to it first

can also put it into wowanalyzer website to see any glaring issues

[lofty depot]

u got like 5 minutes

hurry up

[dire tide]

oh does that work for M+?

[lofty depot]

theres hockey on

POST HTE LOGIAKJGDSHJKDS F

[dire tide]

i'll send to you

[lofty depot]

POST IT HERE?a

[AWSDFGKJLASHNJFLDAS

[dire tide]

PM'd you

thanks

[lofty depot]

spamming sunfire

entering eclipse before incarning which wastes dreamstate stacks

foe's on incarn and it should be the gcd before

didnt press foe for another minute after the first one

[dire tide]

you really are a wizard

[lofty depot]

2nd incarn'd when half this hsit is dead

incarn has 2 charges

[lucid olive]

he's not a wizard, he's more like a monk

cause spending all this time analyzing logs there is no way he doesnt live in celibacy

[lofty depot]

idk it feels like hes not casting anything

[lofty depot]

i live with ur mom so not celibate

blud is spamming starfall on first boss

[lucid olive]

whats the key

[lofty depot]

blud is using hoc not with incarn

18 dfc

[lucid olive]

yikes

[dire tide]

im assuming these gaps are due to the GCD?

[lofty depot]

weird foe here, therew as like a minute between boss dead and this pack

[dire tide]

in the instant cast abils

[lofty depot]

theres not a 1 sec gap = gcd

[lucid olive]

GCD and probably some moving back and forth

going to brew coffee in between casts

[lofty depot]

these gaps are him not casting htings

blud casts negative barkskins

negative shadowmelds

[delicate perch]

[lofty depot]

doesnt cast wildcharge on candle boss

[dire tide]

you do that to avoid the heal absorb yeah?

[lofty depot]

do what

[dire tide]

wild charge

[delicate perch]

hmmm

[lofty depot]

nah u wild charge to move around for the candles

[vital hound]

bro values topping the meters more than timing the key

chat is this based

[delicate perch]

keystone pad falls below raid pad

and that's already low

[ionic oak]

Healer should heal. KeK

[dire tide]

well this was spicy

thanks for the info

so basically press more buttons, but press them in the right order

but some other buttons press less

[lofty depot]

uhhh hes not casting enough starfires

and the others that i pointed out are utility and quality of life shit

a lot of fotm boomkins refuse to press wildcharge

[digital berry]

A lot of them also refuse to cast damaging abilities inside their cds

[orchid fjord]

How do you survive awaken the swamp + choking vines for floodgate 3rd boss? I started sitting in bear through that phase to avoid death because my health never seems to be in a great place there.
Though it still feels like I’m doing it wrong.

[clear pulsar]

ideally a mix of personal and group defensives

[sturdy wigeon]

When having best-in-slots and HoC, when do we press them and what order in a first pull/lust pull type situation. Do we always prioritize bis first or Hoc

[digital berry]

Prio hoc, use it with first set of cds, use bis with second, then use bis whenever inside eclipse

[sturdy wigeon]

Got it ty!

[orchid fjord]

I guess I try and line defensives up better and stay in bear last resort for survival of that phase

[upbeat pasture]

do I actually need to care about all these dots that I'm putting out for like 13/14/15 keys?

or can i just filter this all out except for moonfire+sunfire

so that it's easier to apply my dots to everything on big trash packs

there was something that increased damage if a mob had 3+ dots on it, but idk if we still have that

ok that's Waning Twilight but I feel like holding Starsurges or something for 6% increased damage doesn't matter in a +15

that's some +20 shit

[calm ibex]

It doesn’t matter at all really

You always have it up when you need it because of 2s

Plus there’s also the starfire/wrath talent that puts up a dot

It has good uptime and I never really play around it

[upbeat pasture]

Ah okay, sweet

So basically just hide everything but moonfire + sunfire so it's easier to spread dots

Reduce noise

[calm ibex]

I mean you can display shrooms and the talent

I do

Do what you want though

[upbeat pasture]

What's useful about that? I don't really know the talents well

[calm ibex]

I mean if you don’t want to display them then don’t

I just personally do

[upbeat pasture]

Ah ok, gotcha

It's a slow and generates AP so I'm not sure that changes my gameplay knowing that it's out

[delicate perch]

I still have shrooms from when it was a button

removed the rest though

[calm ibex]

Read your 4 set bonus

[upbeat pasture]

oh 20% is a lot of damage

[calm ibex]

It doesn’t change gameplay

But that’s what it does

[upbeat pasture]

U might spend all AP on starsurges or something

in ST

for 20% bonus

[calm ibex]

You just spend ap when you enter eclipse or when you’re going to cap

But sure I guess

[upbeat pasture]

Awesome, ty for the help!

[calm ibex]

You’re over complicating it imo

[upbeat pasture]

Oh am I?

I'm deleting all debuffs in plater except Moonfire + Sunfire

how is that overcomplicating

Isn't that simplifying

[delicate perch]

too much thought for a non thought spec

[calm ibex]

I mean the 20% bonus

What they said

[upbeat pasture]

it's not hard to filter out debuffs in plater

takes about 2 mins

[delicate perch]

not what I meant

[calm ibex]

Lmao I’m going to bed, night

[upbeat pasture]

i mean clearly I haven't read the talents or the 4p haha

I think I am simplifying it as much as possible

ty for the help

[delicate perch]

they just don't change much so you can for the most part ignore them

[upbeat pasture]

sweet

[tight osprey]

New to balance and want to make sure I understand this correctly. I'm ST we basically just ignore the difference between eclipses? The guides I've seen never specify trying to go into a specific eclipse. Is it because wrath is little enough damage that buffing it by casting just two starfire isn't enough?

[maiden pasture]

Not sure what guide you're reading, read the compendium it's linked in the pins

[tight osprey]

Wowhead and icyveins both kinda ignore eclipse in ST

[maiden pasture]

But to answer your question, in the m+ build you okay a hero talent which doesn't allow you to go into solar eclipse so you wrath to get into lunar and then you Starfire as your filler

In raid you care about your eclipse and you do 2x Starfire to get into solar eclipse

[misty patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

So helpfull, very nice here I am just being annoying

[maiden pasture]

You need to select a hero talent to be told the correct rotation / priority list

If you don't select any the information is kinda useless

[tight osprey]

Keeper of the grove for raid st right?

[maiden pasture]

But either way, use the compendium, it is the more accurate and up to date guide for balance druid

[maiden pasture]

Yes

[jade flume]

Man, is that cdr dumbass talent still fucking bugged

[tight osprey]

👍 ok I'll check that out. Even with the build selected the prio list still doesn't mention eclipse.

[misty patrol]

yup

[jade flume]

Because im pretty sure i got fucked on cauldron

None of my shit was coming up

[misty patrol]

Happend to me on sprocket yesterday

Its so frustrating

[misty patrol]

Think it says to go into the eclipse that corresponds to what you wanna cast, and that depends on target count and talents selected

There are however some exceptions (might be worded poorly by me sorry if confusing)

Worth poking around I think and looking at specifics

[tight osprey]

Huh wowhead seems to mention it in the rotation summary but not in the prio list.
I'll just use the compendium, seems like it's more fleshed out anyway 🙂

[misty patrol]

For sure, it’s my go to

[iron chasm]

Yeah compendium is the best resource for balance

[tight osprey]

Use Sunfire if the target will live for at least 5.5 seconds. Subtract 0.5 seconds for each additional target beyond the first. Wait until all targets are gathered.

Does this mean at 12+ targets we just spam Sunfire?

[iron chasm]

Nah you apply sunfire

[misty patrol]

No

^

[iron chasm]

Mastery is tied to dots to increase damage

So it’s saying that the 1 gcd of sunfire has higher priority on multiple targets

As it spreads and will dot everything around the initial target

[tight osprey]

But at 12+ you apply when they'd live for 0 seconds right? Which means the upfront damage is your top ability. Or is that just a dumb edge case that I'm reading too much into?

[iron chasm]

You’re reading too into it. The damage isn’t the initial direct dmg, the damage is the dot. When you sunfire one target your initial damage only hits that one target, but the dot spreads.

[tight osprey]

Oh the initial isn't aoe too?

[iron chasm]

So you just make sure you sunfire the clump and then move onto your next priority which is probably moonfiring

Nah it’s the dot that spreads, the initial is the one target

[fossil hemlock]

In a lot of cases this also means you moonfire first while mobs are spread, then sunfire once when they're stacked up

[iron chasm]

Moonfire as they’re moving into position then sunfire them when they’re stacked

You’d probably benefit a lot from watching a mplus dungeon pov of balance

Raid is a bit different

[tight osprey]

Ya I've been naturally figuring that one out in leveling dungeons

[dusk isle]

Hey guys when a tank is pulling a pack do you just spam moonfires to get dots out initially while they are gathering

[iron chasm]

Yeah

[dusk isle]

Then on e grouped you sunfire, CA and spam aoe rubbish yea?

[lucid olive]

Basically

Moonfire when gathering, Sunfire when stacked, Moonfire whatever is left and then send CDs

FoE first and then Incarn+Starfall in the next global with trinket pot etc

Then Starfire 2 times to empty Dreamstate stacks before you Warrior of Elune

[dusk isle]

And on single target bosses you do the same still, starfires only?

[delicate perch]

yep

[dusk isle]

In m+ build

[delicate perch]

stafire good in EC

[lucid olive]

Yeah you do the same just Starsurge instead of Starfall

[delicate perch]

(you obviously press surge too)

[dusk isle]

Sweet sounds ridiculous easy

Coming back to boomkin from playing hunter and not getting invites to higher keys coz no one wants squishy hunters lol

[delicate perch]

yep they want squishy boomkins instead

[strange granite]

Ngl sentinel mm isn't very squishy

Between 2 charges of wall, dont look back absorbs and exhil being like a 30s cd it's pretty sturdy

And dark ranger gets even tankier cause you get a small dr when you exhil as well

[lucid olive]

Hunter being squishy is a myth from back in the day

[molten ember]

hunter propaganda so they get their 9th defensive cooldown in midnight

[strange granite]

Please press exhil PLEASE

[fossil hemlock]

Hunters are very squishy when they don't press any of their 400 defensives

[jade flume]

And its hunters so u know they wont

[misty patrol]

Felt a lot better this tier tankyness wise than previous few ones

Guess the extra stamina did wonders