balance

[lucid olive]

the moonkin model is ugly af

[urban karma]

[mighty mica]

+2

[severe hollow]

-1

[maiden pasture]

-1

[somber path]

-8

[lofty depot]

like 90% of those mdi moonkins arent moonkin main so their opinion on moonkin form is invalid

[proper sinew]

I still can’t believe the run animation they shipped with the new form

[digital berry]

Moonkin model also doesn’t allow for transmog

[pseudo kernel]

I have a good friend who plays boom, who simply cant figure out why his dps is shit.. we just ran a random rookery+12 where the logs are here: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/v7bATzxFn28YJQBK?fight=last
i cant help him cause i dont know anything about boom but he tells me he has "read all of dreamgrove site but still cant figure out why my dps is bad"

[proper sinew]

Low cpm

[scarlet tapir]

u can say its you bro...

no one will mock you

[pseudo kernel]

fuck

kidding

[lucid olive]

my "friend"

we get it

[pseudo kernel]

nah, i would stand by my mistakes but i am the disc priest hehe

but low cpm, is that all he has to improve?

[lucid olive]

he's just slow

takes forever to spread Moonfire here

[proper sinew]

Low starfalls too I’m pretty sure but I’ve not been in a 12 rookery in a while

[lucid olive]

Should use FoE before pressing Incarn

uses a random Starsurge

doesnt press Warrior of Elune at all on the first pull

[pseudo kernel]

@solid linden is the friend, and now i pulled him here so he can suck up all the information

thanks people

[lucid olive]

random Starfire and Starfall cast here before entering Eclipse

[solid linden]

i'm the newbie, hi

[lucid olive]

uses CDs then stands afk for 3 seconds

random Wrath casts in Lunar

enters Eclipse on 1st pull downstairs after 1st boss and then goes to get coffee for 5 seconds

random trinket without CDs

honestly just practice being consistent with entering Lunar and not losing uptime

lots of 3-4 second gaps for no reason cause you're either caught lacking during a mechanic you didn't plan for or you're looking down at the keyboard trying to find your keybind

this is the most consistent issue, that FoE cast should be before the Incarn and not after it

and not using Warrior of Elune enough at all

its a 45s cooldown

You also did not use Wild Charge a single time the entire key?

what's that about

[solid linden]

combination of starting wow a bit late and not having had a long time getting used to the dungeons and the spec

[lucid olive]

also go get Flap

parasol's for suckers

[solid linden]

the difference between the dps i do and what others do is still crazy though. I have a hard time doing 15+ m dps like others at this ilvl seems to be able to

[lucid olive]

Yes

because they are popping cooldowns and then casting spells

you're popping cooldowns and then alt tabbing

Sorry that sounded funnier in my head and it came off rude

[solid linden]

fair enough

[lucid olive]

these Moonfire casts are too far apart

need to be quicker at spreading dots

and not spend AP before entering Eclipse there

[solid linden]

i try dotting during pull but end up either fighting my plates or getting one that the tank has not hit yet

[lucid olive]

yeah the first 10 seconds of a pull is playing nameplate whack-a-mole with Moonfire

get consistent and quicker with it

your priorities are

Moonfire when tank is gathering
Sunfire when gathered (so you can hit every mob with 1 Sunfire instead of needing more)
Moonfire whatever is left
Fury of Elune if your next button pressed is Incarn
Enter Eclipse/Use Incarn (if available)
Fury of Elune if available
Spend AP to not overcap
Spend AP for movement
Starfire

It can maybe look like a lot but it's not really, you just need to build the muscle memory

Go find some AoE clumped training dummies and spend some time getting consistent on spreading your Moonfire

Remember that your Warrior of Elune button exists

Wild Charge for movement and to help uptime

You can use instant casts like Starsurge/Starfall/Sunfire/Moonfire etc during the Wild Charge animation

[solid linden]

it's what every guide says to do, so i try. Trouble is that i have a really hard time doing the super high numbers even when i actually do it right. i might sneak up to 15mil or so, but supposedly others at this ilvl go way higher

the run linked was not exactly my best

[pallid bay]

always be casting is the absolute most important contributor to your dps

rotational mistakes are secondary to it

[lucid olive]

need to fill every global with a spell

preferably a good spell following the rotation priority, but casting nothing is way worse than casting something wrong

[solid linden]

other than moving for mechanics, i didn't notice much idle time

i threw the log at wowanalyzer and it says i cancelled close to 12% of casts

feels.. high? not sure if you consider cancelled casts "idle" here

[crimson spade]

cancelled casts, are when you are casting and then move

[pallid bay]

this is like

minus infinite dps

next use looks the same

should look like this

[solid linden]

i think that might have been oh shit moments - i don't recall just standing still 😅

[lucid olive]

Oh shit moments are moments you should be planning for

also moments where Wild Charge can be very valuable if you need to move

[solid linden]

agreed, i have a bit of trouble getting every spell i need into a reachable button

or maybe i have the dexterity of an elderly person

[pallid bay]

1234
qertf
shift/ctrl

should cover any rotational button

[solid linden]

i think i need a bunch more dungeon mechanic knowledge. a bunch of the screwups come from something unexpected happening

thanks for having a look at the log 🙂

[coral shell]

Hey guys, random question. On my alt Warlock, I crafted my 681 staff, but just saw that I did the agi one -_- anything I can do?

[pallid bay]

nope

is there even an agi specific staff

there is.. yeah nothing you can do

[coral shell]

😦

[plucky valley]

This is not slay

[fossil shard]

Nope. It’s gg for that craft. Delete it. Good thing is that you have like 20 sparks by now

So the character isn’t bricked

[delicate crystal]

is this what I should aim for? 4350 crit?

got 24k mastery, 20k haste, 1.3k crit

[lofty depot]

thats not how u think about stats at all

you dont "aim for" any specific number

[old raft]

Sim your character using raidbots

[delicate perch]

wtf I have more crit

is my character bricked

[stuck cove]

cooked

[delicate perch]

[celest narwhal]

People who play other classes swear by they want to reach a % of any stat and it drives me nuts

[craggy sonnet]

no thats not people who play other classes

they exist here and in any other class discord

[pseudo merlin]

that's wrong. It's 4475 crit.

Not a single point more or less

[celest narwhal]

Sadly it’s true. But I feel like people here are better about it than others

[pseudo merlin]

I only play like 12 specs but I still haven't found the one that does anything other than sim

I wonder if actually aiming for a specific percentage or rating of any stat is even a thing for any dps spec

[celest narwhal]

I feel like “fire mage” is the only one so they can get enough haste to extend combustions

[delicate perch]

only 12? noob

[pseudo merlin]

I would play more but I spend the majority of my time getting my message counts up in balance and ret discords

telling people not to use stat weights

🙂

[terse tartan]

how outdated is my build?

[craggy sonnet]

how bout you jsut check out the current builds

and see for yourself

[lofty depot]

cant

[terse tartan]

you must be new here

[lofty depot]

the roller king

[terse tartan]

that takes me 5 read throughs and 2hrs and i still get it wrong

[lofty depot]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-back-gif-8275005

[terse tartan]

just point out where i fucked up and let me go dps some 7-10s ❤️

[lofty depot]

uh that build is correct i think

[terse tartan]

sold.

sending it. ❤️

https://tenor.com/view/larry-enticer-send-it-just-gif-13099040

[dusk moat]

Nice hairline @scarlet tapir

[scarlet tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-face-cat-meme-face-cat-face-meme-gif-1942559384249480552

[terse tartan]

uhhh someone tag me when this games fun again

doing 10s are just boring, feel so over geared at even 667

rbgs dont even exist anymore 😭

im clearly not liking the gameplay loop of pushing past 10s

[pseudo merlin]

10s are made for 630-640.

Go higher, you'll have to deal with less affixes that way too.

OR no affixes rather.

My AVG rated BG queue is like 10-20 minutes depending on the time of day, 30 min maybe in the worst hours, it sucks yeah

[copper junco]

if anyones bored and feels like helping a homie out can you take a peak at my log and tell my why im so bad at m+. Like I dunno if its a key/tank thing or if im just seriously messing something up with where I use cds or my fundamentals. Just never seem to be happy with my damage, seems low. There should be 2 dungeons on the log, the cinderbrew felt especially bad.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tFD4z6BMxPhaJfVj

[lucid olive]

good chunk of cancelled casts on that 1st boss Cinderbrew

some grand canyon gaps

you seem to have all the fundamentals down though

[copper junco]

prolly runnin for my life from clouds

[lucid olive]

could use some better planning with positioning and movement and conserving AP for those moments

[copper junco]

I know I dont use wild charge enough for movement for sure

ye

[lucid olive]

4 Wild Charge casts in that meadery

yeee

[copper junco]

yeah reallly bad

writin that one down lol

[lucid olive]

rotationally you seem to have it down

on the first area you pressed bear like 3 times in a span of 40 ish seconds which is not ideal for damage

but if you're scared of dying then wcyd right

[copper junco]

yeah I think we had a mw for that dungeon and im not used to running with them

so im not really sure what I can get away with

[lucid olive]

like pressing incarn, spending 3 times and then going bear

[copper junco]

ive been yelled at for bear forming too much and also not bear forming lol

that I was bearing the chewie aoe

[lucid olive]

4 Sunfire casts within a few seconds not ideal too

[leaden birch]

how are people doing the adds on OAB? are you guys putting moonfire and sunfire on each one? or is it just treants and you sunfire each?

[lofty depot]

generally not the melee add

[leaden birch]

because if I pop cds on pull, I have no treants for first adds

just curious how y'all doing it

[lucid olive]

Click the boss frames as they spawn and spread Sunfire, then drop treants near the one melee isn't running to first, otherwise Moonfire the one melee isn't going to + the other one

[lofty depot]

first set is the easiest

alos most people are saving 2nd trees

[leaden birch]

and y'all just dump wrath into the boss?

[lucid olive]

could look into getting a cancelaura for your dreamstate macrod into your wrath

[lucid olive]

wrath the add you have to kill

[lofty depot]

did u not look up cd usage before getting there or?

[lucid olive]

you wont need boss dmg on bandit before p2

[copper junco]

pretty sure I already run one

[lucid olive]

alright, hard to tell on logs

but you can wrath before tank is going in to be in lunar with both dreamstate stacks up when you start spreading moonfire, probably good if you're doing a pull without CDs

3rd boss you used CDs then didn't Moonfire the boss until the 4th global

[copper junco]

you think thats really better than getting dots up asap on a big pull?

I always assumed you wanted to be aggressive with dotting

[lucid olive]

nvm this was halfway thru the fight, i thought it was on pull cause of the 10s gap before it

[copper junco]

I might actually overdot too, like moonfiring shit mobs when I shouldnt be

[lucid olive]

ideally you can enter lunar before you would have started spreading dots

[leaden birch]

are you talking to me?

[lofty depot]

yes

[leaden birch]

cause if so I'm checking out cd timing with lorrgs

[copper junco]

okay

[leaden birch]

people are popping everything on pull

so no treats for first set

[lucid olive]

also a lot of this

[leaden birch]

but I do hold for 2nd

[lofty depot]

ok, first add set is just u dotting the far ones and caring

[copper junco]

the 3rd wrath cancel or sunfire before moonfire

[lofty depot]

as said, its the easiest

[lucid olive]

casting 3 Wraths

[leaden birch]

so ignore the melee one

[lofty depot]

yes

[copper junco]

yeah I think its a spell queue issue, ive kinda been noticing it lately lol

[lofty depot]

thats dead in 3 seconds

[leaden birch]

moonfire/sunfire the 2 far adds and starfall

gotchya

[copper junco]

its so ingrained in me to tap move to stop it instead of just letting it fly if it happens

[lucid olive]

on the last boss you entered Eclipse before pressing Incarn so you had 0 Dreamstate stacks

[copper junco]

wonder if I had a proc for the foe

[lucid olive]

nah just a bad habit issue

[lucid olive]

not worth it

there's a case to be made for proccing Firmament before Incarn on big AoE pulls cause of the Boundless Moonlight damage but even then the 2 faster Starfire casts is probably more worth it

the AP gen part of Firmament is kind of a nothingburger

[copper junco]

ahh yeah that makes sense

gotcha

[lucid olive]

Starfire already so much of our dmg as EC and the AP gen is so high what do we need the extra Firmanment for if its just gonna overcap you innit

[copper junco]

Ty, appreciate you takin the time to look through the log

[lucid olive]

Np bud good luck

[crimson ibex]

is there any good way to sim for something like stix specifically

trying to figure out if hero signet is going to be better than kezan

[glossy jungle]

Kezzan only good for long fights

[crimson ibex]

if I sim for 5 minutes (our current stix length) yeah its going to show as good but if the short duration im hitting adds getting the signet bonus is better

[dense steeple]

pugged some heroic with a bunch of scrubs, now i am allowed to do sales

[zinc solar]

Is Balance hard to play?

[iron chasm]

holy moly

the same colour as your name lets go!!!

[lofty depot]

no

[dense steeple]

ive got a few pink ones too 🙂

but those were the 3 i decided to try and pug

[merry mango]

Is there a plater profile that any of you people like to use?

[dense steeple]

i mostly play things default

[ivory geyser]

mostly default as well, although i'd love one that highlights mobs without moonfire.

going to look into how to do that tomorrow

[full gazelle]

Jundies is good. There are mods for missing dots.

[ivory geyser]

Jundies for Plater? what mods do you suggest?

[full gazelle]

I don’t know offhand but mine change colors from red to orange with sunfire and green with moonfire so when I see the plates solid green I know I’m good. Quick search in wago would probably get you an answer.

[ivory geyser]

ok, thanks. that sounds perfect

[full gazelle]

It cancels out the color coding for jundies tho for specific targets

[ivory geyser]

gives me a place to start at least

[full gazelle]

Highlighting prio mobs etc but once you memorize which mobs do what I found it pointless

[ivory geyser]

makes sense. thanks 🙂

[full gazelle]

Np

[livid jay]

theres a script/mod that makes it only change the color of the name depending on your dots so the bar colors from jundies are still visible

gotta ask gamz if u wanna know which one exactly it is

[raw fox]

https://wago.io/GeHuM2FWx

[gray skiff]

Guys, starfall with 2 target or not ?
First boss of priory for exemple ?
Or first boss of Mecagon

[pallid bay]

yes to both

[teal minnow]

See here: https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium

Check the aoe priority and you'll see starfall at two targets

[crisp badger]

star fall on first boss priory?

isn't that just padding

[pallid bay]

[crisp badger]

[crisp badger]

wait you're kidding me

[livid jay]

xD

we all been at that point once ruse

[pallid bay]

🤯

[crisp badger]

why the fuck does everyone get mad when i press starfall there what the fuck

[livid jay]

you are just a little late

[lyric kettle]

xd

[pallid bay]

now u get to be the teacher

[livid jay]

somehow start of season everybody thought it was padding cause noone can read

[vale pebble]

because ur in low

[crisp badger]

im doing 16s ffs

i guess that's low

ok thank you guys for enlightening me

i feel like i've just entered adifferent plane of existence

[quiet drift]

sez u

[vale pebble]

[livid jay]

bro is gonna go from 2 mil dps to 3.5 mil dps on that boss

[vale pebble]

u should also starfall on the minibosses before last boss cinderbrew

[boreal knot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bath-gif-8500217

[vale pebble]

at least thats what my moonkin says

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bath-gif-8500217

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/pigeon-snow-white-shy-cute-blush-gif-16146820

[vale pebble]

whort i fount the pick...

[crisp badger]

why're you trying to sabotage me

[boreal knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/953401850470735883/1378850759155646564/catto.gif

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-cat-aggressive-attack-meow-gif-12107784302537770244

[teal minnow]

Because you're doing it properly and it makes them look bad

[round field]

Which one

[vale pebble]

the one that does m+ with me

used to do*

[round field]

That doesnt narrow it down

[vale pebble]

the finnish one

and yes it does..

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/sybau-ts-pmo-gif-2102579015947246168

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/masoncord-cat-allah-blessed-gif-15766750204475546662

[round field]

yea but that guy is a dog

legit worse than solasaurus

not to be trusted

old and washed...

[vale pebble]

[quiet drift]

https://imgur.com/1nUZrGo

[crisp badger]

ok sorry to bring this back up again but why is it that the health of the miniboss, from priory first boss fight, never ever drops despite their health being shared? is it just because it's a massive amount of health?

[vale pebble]

the health does drop, the miniboss just has more hp

[worthy crest]

Hey there. Do i have to play around the Sundered Firmament proc?

[crisp badger]

the bar never looks like it moves, but maybe im also not paying enough attention

[crisp badger]

i guess im just blind then

[proper sinew]

Happens

[vast jungle]

Someone should make a list of bosses to sf/ss

[round field]

right

[pallid bay]

first we need to change the dreamgrove icon to pride colors

[vast jungle]

Agreed. Priorities!

[livid jay]

like this?

[vast jungle]

Your comment has set things in motion that cannot be undone

[quiet drift]

💅

[hollow mist]

YO PLEASE

I NEED IT

[livid jay]

lmao this was chatgpt

someones gotta make a better more accurate version

[hollow mist]

god DAMN IT

[lofty depot]

Thyme will not forgive u

[livid jay]

[sinful bone]

on a fresh alt that im gearing for m+ with no chance to be clearing mythic raids isnt buying house of cards with my 3 dinar a no brainer? given even on heroic track how strong it is?

[lofty depot]

If u prefer a 1.5m CD sure

But no, it'a not out right better than mythic priory

[wary stream]

I have a question regarding high end push keys for mage funnels strats. When we bring extra adds to boss for mage’s funnel should I starfall or just do the regular single rotation ?

[lofty depot]

If the adds don't need to die and u are specifically trying to just cleave off boss. Starfall does less to boss than surge yes

[jade flume]

Starfall so they dont say ur dmg sucks at the end of the run

Unless its a premade then it depends if u care how fast the adds die, purely for boss dmg u would starsurge

[cloud lion]

Or just tell them u gona focus on boss so mage have funnel

If its higher key people would understand

[craggy sonnet]

At prolly 4-5 targets, you actually could get even/more DPS on the prio target from the extra AP when starfalling

[cloud lion]

In 10s they would make fun of u cuz they are gamers

[jade flume]

Do you actually though, have u simmed it?

[craggy sonnet]

Yes

[jade flume]

Link if u have it

[lofty depot]

Extra ap from starfall

Hmm

[wary stream]

If that’s the case would it make sense to keep 1 starfall up and then surge the rest ?

[fossil hemlock]

How does starfall get you extra AP?

[jade flume]

Ap from dots

Since u extend

[craggy sonnet]

Dots

Ye

[cloud lion]

Maybe he means not to redot

[jade flume]

It makes sense but idk where the cutoff would be

For it to be more st dps

[lofty depot]

Maybe they should kill th adds in 20 seconds

[craggy sonnet]

Sim broke even at 3t

[lofty depot]

Convenient the sim broke, smh

[craggy sonnet]

So prolly shoot a bit higher due to movement globals etc

Ok, good one

[fossil hemlock]

Would you breaking even be enough to make up for the lost funnel?

[cloud lion]

For last boss in rook or even 2nd boss i would go full st with arcane mage while in prio if u pull hyenas and sharpshooter i would def starfall

[jade flume]

Im starfalling regardless ngl

Fuck the funnelers

[royal zenith]

yeah you would

filthy padder

[jade flume]

Im starfallin

Aint nobody stopping me(or inviting)

[cloud lion]

See 2 nameplates instant strfall

[delicate crystal]

In a big pull with incarn: Make sure everything is dotted or spam starfire/starfall?

[jade flume]

Dot everything insta

[craggy sonnet]

Last boss rook is also dmg amp, so ofc you wouldn't

[jade flume]

Unless its a mob that dies in 5s

[wary stream]

Dot first then eclipse then incarn no?

[lofty depot]

Read the prio list

[lofty depot]

Why do u need to eclipse before incarning

[cloud lion]

Nope

U want 2 fast cast of starfire in cds

[royal zenith]

you guys need to talk about the specific scenario

else you can't give the correct answer

[delicate crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-who-asked-me-looking-for-who-asked-travolta-meme-travolta-confused-gif-27133622

[lofty depot]

Idk what that funny gif means

[jade flume]

Its travolta

[lofty depot]

The guide is in the pins

[royal zenith]

probably doesn't know where the prio list is

cause you just randomly shout "check prio list"

like a monkey

[delicate crystal]

10 points to you

[lofty depot]

Idk it's the internet

Learn to use discord

[royal zenith]

yeah exactly

use words

communicate

[lofty depot]

No

[crisp badger]

i hate it when tanks do half a big pull, and then 7 seconds later pulls the other half

[royal zenith]

[crisp badger]

idk why they ever do this

but they do

[lofty depot]

Discord for 10 years, doesn't know what a pin does

Tragic really

[jade flume]

They do it so they dont die

[crisp badger]

is that a noob crutch or is it legit

[jade flume]

You are pretty vulnerable off the rip so sometimes need a second to stabilize

[wary stream]

For the talent sundered firmament

[lofty depot]

Talent is beans

[delicate crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/touch-grass-hello-neighbor-secret-neighbor-hello-guest-hello-engineer-gif-6467460713586364034

[lofty depot]

Dreamstate >

[jade flume]

I mean, it just helps, better tanks probably dont have to rely on it as much

[crisp badger]

its just cringe that i pop incarn after dotting and then he pulls more mobs i have to dot

and i never know if i should be mad or not

[jade flume]

But theres a lot of things to consider when tanking like getting meleed by all mobs at the same time etc.

I would also sometimes delay some mobs while waiting for defensives to come up

It shouldnt be every pull tho

Only sometimes

[crisp badger]

yeah this makes sense to me

but yeah should not be every pull

[quiet drift]

Chaining like that is very bad

Dps loss and inting aoe stops

[craggy sonnet]

some tanks just do it all the time for no good reason

its just freestyle

[crisp badger]

it's such strange behaviour i swear

[craggy sonnet]

and terrible

[quiet drift]

Youd rather gather a good pull than force some scuffed chain

[crisp badger]

also tanks that insist on chain pulling

when you have a boomie and a rogue in the comp

like pls sir lemme get my outa combat dreamstate stacks and let rogue stealth

[royal zenith]

[jade flume]

Need to optimize the kezans

[craggy sonnet]

chain pulling is not really an issue for boomie

[crisp badger]

not an issue no but you do get more dreamstate stacks

if you dont

[craggy sonnet]

you get dreamstate stacks whenever eclipse drops

idk

unless stuff is pulled in during incarn

its really not a big deal

[crisp badger]

ye true, but sometimes you end a pack with eclipse, and then the next back gives you dreamstate

[royal zenith]

think chainpulling is fine if you're boomie

[craggy sonnet]

for boomie specifically

[royal zenith]

especially if you run kezan

[crisp badger]

so you can 2 extra dreamstates during eclispe

yeah i dont run kezan

i would understand kezan or even card

[royal zenith]

so talk to your tank

[crisp badger]

i do

im just moaning here because im bored

[royal zenith]

I see

[jade flume]

Its the yapchannel

[crisp badger]

what is discord for if not for yapping

[royal zenith]

does anyone actually know how much you'd gain by getting more dreamstates

or is it purely speculating

and feelcrafting

[crisp badger]

idk numbers but its for sure a dps boost so i dont see why you wouldn't want to optimize it

[royal zenith]

cause it's time loss

[crisp badger]

and its not too hard to optimize either

mm

[lofty depot]

For sure 👀

[royal zenith]

if the gain does not outweigh the benefit of chaining, what's the point

[crisp badger]

i guess if you wait too long

[royal zenith]

you really can't compare us to assa rogue

[crisp badger]

what classes actually benefit from chaining aside from uhdks?

[jade flume]

Its probably less of a class gain and more just starting on next pack while the leftover mob just passively dies

[royal zenith]

^

why wait for that last bit of HP

gotta go fast

[crisp badger]

i mean fair

[royal zenith]

it also just means you can't pull in patrols and what not

[jade flume]

Im just a disc priest 1 trick raid logger tho

[royal zenith]

I dunno, don't think it's efficient to stop combat

so dreamstate better be big

[crisp badger]

yeah i see your point

[royal zenith]

🤝

[crisp badger]

pulling patrols in is fine if timing is shite

on initial pull

its more about knowing i guess

[craggy sonnet]

aside from rogue, chaining stuff (like actual pulls, not pulling pack after pack into the usually single pull)

is def a dps gain

like its just faster

and if its faster then overall dps go up

you also still have starfalls rolling when mobs come in etc

[pallid bay]

[craggy sonnet]

but its not always feasible with the way stop setups work

didnt even see this on phone

just run a ST sim and then a 5t

look at the prio dmg

nothing special

[lofty depot]

Smh

Clankz gatekeeping the sim

[craggy sonnet]

clearly

[quiet drift]

Youd never want to Starfall if talking funnel

The marginal gain of starfalling doesnt outweigh the funnel mobs dying 2x faster

[lofty depot]

My overall would definitely gain more

[craggy sonnet]

depends, if you can pull in more funnel it doesnt matter

[quiet drift]

Huh

[craggy sonnet]

if your mage wouldnt gain another touch/surge anyways, it doesnt matter

[quiet drift]

It does matter?

You gain more ap from SotF also

[fossil hemlock]

Yeah starfalling hurts your own funnel

[pallid bay]

[craggy sonnet]

well ok, thats a fair point

[pallid bay]

cant believe MDIers are playing critgem..

[craggy sonnet]

almost every boomie does i think (that i looked at)

[fossil hemlock]

Movespeed gem is goated

[pallid bay]

if you're not going fast you're going slow..

[craggy sonnet]

agree

i dont even know if just dotting (or just sunfiring) the extra mobs is actually better than starfalling for prio dmg

apl tinkering type of stuff

[royal zenith]

but you said you had a sim

sussy

we should go back to normalizing talking facts in #balance

I miss Shadowlands

[scarlet tapir]

what if ur going a mid speed

[lyric kettle]

then ur goin slow

[craggy sonnet]

yea, a sim that follows current apl that i did a week ago and is easily replicable

[tight trellis]

hey. how would druids escape mythic mugzee jails?

[pallid bay]

they wouldnt

born to suffer

or you human wild charge a healer at 0.1s left

[tight trellis]

yikes. okay ty

[jade flume]

Ask a priest for grip so its on them if they wipe the raid

[lucid sky]

hey im using the infinite stars coruption but its feeling pretty underwhelming is the stat one just the best or is there one the will do solid damage?

[lucid olive]

void ritual is the best

[lucid sky]

okay thanks

[livid jay]

hear me out

if you need to stop boss damage with that one strat

cause u phase too fast

going in cages is a dps increase

[cerulean summit]

can someone help me out and tell me what I can do better on stix https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/adC6fK3mwJMRT4NZ?fight=41&type=damage-done&source=16

[pallid bay]

not a whole lot

there's not much to the stix fight except only use cds when adds spawn and press starfall

[cerulean summit]

okie

[lofty depot]

If ur gonna cast anything during incarn that's not Starfall, it's not likely wrath

U could cast wraths to gain more asp, idk if ur capped or not during the immune

[livid jay]

why not wrath?

with how spread most adds are starfire feels cringe af in most situations

[lofty depot]

If ur adds are spread get fucked ig

But dot the far shit bud

Seems odd to be surging and dotting things

[livid jay]

looked at some logs and my impression is that not a lot try starfiring 😄

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ck4dhbnqW8BKPMVY?fight=8&type=casts&source=20&view=timeline

[lofty depot]

Who?

He's in a guild that kills it a minute faster

[royal zenith]

so if you kill it a minute slower

you starfire?

[lofty depot]

They likely do less damage and could get more off

And I said dot the far shit dork

Seek help

[royal zenith]

I mean, you say a lot of things

I'm just fact-checking

[lofty depot]

Fact check

[pallid bay]

wrath boss..

[quiet drift]

+1

[meager storm]

[woven flint]

drop 2 boomkins so your starfall does more

[cerulean summit]

I only starfired when shit was stacked but most of the time it wasn't

[cerulean summit]

this yeah, idk what my thought process was with that

[lofty depot]

Yea, I meant u could be dotting things

[cerulean summit]

Ig I was just thinking, well the mob won't live long enough to bother starfalling but Ig I shouldn't even be dotting at that point

[lofty depot]

Well u starfalled after surging there

So idk

And if they were just coming out, u could've pre starfall'd

[cerulean summit]

ahh yes that's def what it was

before ball hits and the adds come out I just surge typically

so I should be pre starfalling I see

[lofty depot]

Generally can have 2 starfalls rolling when they come out

Then trees between boss and some of them, and slam

[cerulean summit]

gotcha

[scarlet tapir]

is this tough in 2025

[lofty depot]

The t in twist stands for tough

[cerulean summit]

something that always raddles my mind is that I watch a lot of people who don't dot stuff and some do. It confuses tf out of me. Like, the compendium says something like if mob lives for 6 sec moonfire it and sunfire similar but reduced by amount of mobs. The thing is, I see people play fights like vexie, stix, etc. and they don't dot all the mobs that live for that duration

[lofty depot]

Its likely neutral or close on vexie

[ebon parcel]

for mythic bandit,.are there any visual clues for adds that has already been hit by coin

[iron chasm]

They lose their buff and I am pretty sure they don’t have a shield around them anymore

But don’t quote me on the visual shield, I just slam the adds the weakaura tells me to

And by slam I mean dot and fill with starfall while wrathing the prio ranged add

[ebon parcel]

i am not sure when i should stop the starfall and change to starsurge
is there a weak aura on top of the head of the adds that can let me know that the adds still can take damage?

[elder remnant]

Top log gambled sunfire shrooms

[jade flume]

You do know that they only stop taking dmg at 25% right

[lofty depot]

Sorry got busy. If u stood in th center of the room and dotted them as they spawned it would likely be big 🙂

It no one does that

[jade flume]

Early on u just spam starfall and can stop when theres only 1 add tbh

First 2 adds shouldnt hit 25% threshold without already getting hit by a coin

[dry compass]

Something to remember is HOW that 6 second number is calculated

And @lucid olive probably needs to confirm but I'm pretty sure it's a mob needs to live for 6s worth of moonfire ticks in order for the gcd of applying moonfire to be more dps than normal single target rotation

But if those alternative GCDs are say... Casting starfall on 8 targets and not single target rotation

Or starsurges within incarn

Then the duration that mob needs to live for moonfire to be worth goes up dramatically

Because the GCDs it's competing against are also way higher value

[lofty depot]

Idk how "dramatic" it is and the apl isn't exactly the perfect representation of how worth it, it might be.... But u can see that play out if u do a really high target count sim

[cerulean summit]

this honestly makes a lot of sense and would explain why I don't see some people do it

[lofty depot]

What if people are lazy and don't want to

[cerulean summit]

yeah that could be, but I like to think my boy krona isn't lazy

[lofty depot]

Krona isn't the end all be all of perfect gameplay

[cerulean summit]

oh ik, I just trust his decisions for the most part

is this something we actually know the answer to or are we just guessing?

[lucid olive]

vibe it out innit

[iron chasm]

It boils down to am I going to be dotting the mobs while they’re alive and when I finish dotting am I going to have the gcds to cast starfalls and get starfall ticks onto them before they die vs my dots are not worth the gcd and I’m better off starfalling to ensure I do get damage on them before they die

[lofty depot]

Nobody knows the answer

[iron chasm]

Just feel it out

[lucid olive]

won't catch me dotting mobs on vexie

[cerulean summit]

even bikers?

[lucid olive]

if 3 bikes are stacked i might throw a sunfire

[lofty depot]

Blud thinks he's dotting mobs during amp

[iron chasm]

Melee job

[lofty depot]

[cerulean summit]

no I know we don't do that

ofc not

[lucid olive]

let those be for the melee meat grinder

[lofty depot]

Well then bikes are the only things besides that

[cerulean summit]

I thought when he said that he meant liek you won't catch me dotting the mobs during dmg amp

which I obv know we don't

[lofty depot]

Well u said u already knew we don't do that

[iron chasm]

I think I might have dot bikers week one if they were really far away but I mean it’s a 2 pull boss just slam vexie with the power of nature

[cerulean summit]

yeah Ik we don't do that, was curious about bikers

[lucid olive]

if the bikes are stacked then throw a sunfire on them idk

[lofty depot]

Was doing some giga Chad running out dotting them, then wildcharge on the oil to carry momentum back to boss

[lucid olive]

on the set that overlaps with your 2nd treants maybe sunfire a stack and then throw a dream burst wrath or something

[lofty depot]

But I then started playing mage and never perfected it

[iron chasm]

The actual hero

See how much more impactful you were playing balance? All these crazy hero plays..

Now you what? Blink?

[lofty depot]

Blud doesn't know what degenerate shit I was doing on mugzee

[iron chasm]

Imfiredup over here

[lofty depot]

Trogs in guild wcyd

[iron chasm]

Hit silly treants button and convoke 100% add 🤜🤛

[lofty depot]

Spam Into immune add for cdr

[iron chasm]

Fire mage too complicated for me

I’ll stick to frost mage if I ever have to play that stupid class

[lofty depot]

High apm so hard

Frost mage is giga cringe

Send that shit out back

[iron chasm]

Let’s me relive my teen years watching aoe grinding videos being amazed

[lofty depot]

If u enjoy current frost mage u should seek help

[iron chasm]

I haven’t played it since razsageth

Haven’t levelled my mage or played it since

On my warlock and devastation alt arc atm

My only memories of fire mage is smashing fire blast so fast I would use multiple charges between pyros

[lofty depot]

Theres a delay on it

Also just muscle memory of IB > pyro > ib> pyro

Why u hitting ib 2 times, dur

[iron chasm]

I did not invest very much time into it outside of getting frustrated on the dummies in valdrakken

It was that moment I realised melee and fire mage are simply off the charts for me to play

[lofty depot]

Fire mage so easy

No skb, just spam in combust

[iron chasm]

Ah yea the removal of needing skb is good

[lofty depot]

Only thing that changes ur rotation is PI lol

And lust I suppose

Nonetheless

[iron chasm]

The joys of being retired from more hardcore raiding is I just play balance Druid every patch and the dad guild I play with let’s me

[lofty depot]

If I didn't play mage, I would've likely had to do far mine on sprocket as druid the whole time

Soooooooo

Wonder if u can do gally 4th bomb with flap and wild charge

Hmmm

[iron chasm]

Ohhh that’s a rip. Worst I got was the mine after the first void beams when you move back to the entrance. Never got assigned the bad mines as the dragons and mages got them

[lofty depot]

Roar, Moonkin form, Flap, wild charge back.... Hmmm

[iron chasm]

Surely

Drop dmg pot for a dragonflight gust pot

[lyric stag]

thought about it before i think u dont make it back to the platform

[iron chasm]

Easy money

[lyric stag]

gusts pot not admin approved

[lofty depot]

Yea it's kinda far

[lucid olive]

gg DQd from HoF

[lyric stag]

gz dq

[lofty depot]

Can't remember, I assume u do 4th on mage and someone else does 4th when ur druid?

I looked at u and forgyy can't remember which did 4th

[lyric stag]

me always 4 unless i druid then make a mage do it

[lucid olive]

play aug with the weyrnstone thing or

[lofty depot]

Big

[lyric stag]

werynstone timing so finnicky

1.5s cast

monka

[lucid olive]

oh yeah thats dogshit lmao

[lyric stag]

last week i tried to displace on my mage and it didnt work and we blew up insta

[lucid olive]

well guess its flap off the platform and have evoker rescue or priest grip

[lofty depot]

Yea think there's a distance thing

[lyric stag]

ya its 40y

alter 100 so broken...

[lofty depot]

And if alter is ending it pulls u back

Alter giga

[pallid bay]

What

[drowsy heart]

@carmine vigil can you accept my friend request so I can inquire about Balance Druid coaching? You mention this on your Raider.io profile but there is nowhere I can direct message you without requesting you as a friend or paying a fee on Twitter lol.

[pallid bay]

Just ask for slow fall or

@carmine vigil can you accept my friend request so I can inquire about Balance Druid coaching? You mention this on your Raider.io profile but there is nowhere I can direct message you without requesting you as a friend or paying a fee on Twitter lol.

[dry compass]

Oh no

Dwilkz about to walk in to 15 pings

[pallid bay]

Doesn't dwilkz have a discord

[lyric stag]

@carmine vigil can you accept my friend request so I can inquire about Balance Druid coaching? You mention this on your Raider.io profile but there is nowhere I can direct message you without requesting you as a friend or paying a fee on Twitter lol.

[drowsy heart]

What is his Discord?

[slim iris]

He doesnt have to accept the friend request

He gets a message request

[lucid olive]

Linked on his Twitch

[pallid bay]

Left on read 💀

[drowsy heart]

The one profile I didn't look at. Thanks.

[dry compass]

Sounds like you have some UX experience to trade for coaching

(don't actually suggest this)

[lyric stag]

i think i will go into the class discord and ping him instead

that seems like the best course of action

[lucid olive]

I would also not reply to anyone sending me friend requests on Discord to ask a question

[earnest iron]

hey guys, what's the best crafted wrist for boomkin with crafted 2hander?

[dry compass]

@lyric stag can you accept my friend request so I can inquire about Balance Druid coaching? You mention this on your discord profile but there is nowhere I can direct message you without requesting you as a friend or paying a fee on Twitter lol.

[lucid olive]

If you have a Moonkin question then you're much better off asking here than asking him personally

[pallid bay]

Where's that screenshot

[slim iris]

What’s it like to be big league

[lofty depot]

sim it

[meager storm]

Writhing armor banding if u got ascension on weapon

[earnest iron]

yep, forgot the details, was looking for it, thanks!

[pallid bay]

dm dak for latest moonkin cooks

[lucid olive]

pay for coaching

let me give you cash so you can tell me to always be casting

[lofty depot]

Why would I take advice from a sheep

[lucid olive]

he is @vital hound?

[lofty depot]

Well yea, we have a herd

[lucid olive]

oh damn i never herd of that before

[lyric stag]

guys i asked dwilkz to explain why he does something once and he charged me $40 to say "vibes"

[lofty depot]

[lucid olive]

thats real though i love vibes

[lyric stag]

wait that was me to him nvm

[meager storm]

Oh just wait for the Incarn mugzee build after the add thing

[pallid bay]

I've seen it..

[meager storm]

[pallid bay]

Praying for your success

[lucid olive]

i'm not

dak is the poster child of unethical moonkin gameplay

[meager storm]

Ethical* Optimal*

Besides my starlord uptime on cauldron cuz of stellar flare

Not running that again

Just make stellar flare put all 3 dots

Then OS flares all targets = all targets got all dots on cds insta

[lyric stag]

hello chat i bring u today the idea that cancelling starlord is a tangible dps gain still

[lofty depot]

[meager storm]

Take notes dev

Blizzard hire me

[lofty depot]

Hire someone

[dry compass]

There's way too many BFA boomkin enjoyers out there to just hire anyone

[lucid olive]

p r o o f ?

[signal temple]

What's a good trinket for M+? I have Signet & Eye but I know the latter isn't great for dungeons.

[lucid olive]

moxie jug

[lyric stag]

think about him logically with me, what do i do in a position where i have a lot of AP (forced to spend) and 2 sec left on starlord

it doesnt make sense to spend all my AP and then jerk off with no starlord stacks...

[lucid olive]

why do you have a lot of AP and spend everything..

[lyric stag]

mop boomkin is coming back poggers

i'm forced to in my outlined situation

[dry compass]

Still a little upset they binned mop boomkin wholesale

If nature's grace was such a problem then fix nature's grace, don't redo the whole spec

[lucid olive]

yeah i think if you're at less than 2 seconds, about to overcap AP and you're forced to move for a mechanic then you can probably cancel

but idk if its an increase to do really

cause could you have just moved earlier

or been in a better position

planned better

[dry compass]

I always viewed it as there's niche scenarios where cancelling is still of value, but they're not frequent enough for the average player to worry about

And habitual cancelling is a wash

[pallid bay]

logreview

[lucid olive]

well you could be Dakd..

[pallid bay]

if you're worse than me..

[lyric stag]

so everybody loves vibes till i tell u guys to vibe

unreal.

[pallid bay]

i hate the vibes..

[lucid olive]

you said tangible dps gain..

vibe is vibe

[pallid bay]

https://tenor.com/view/chess-cat-checkmate-gif-17062739470305401913

bout to make a collage with these starlord cancellers..

[lucid olive]

grand canyon

[pallid bay]

you guys are worse than the bot..

[lucid olive]

[pallid bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/953401850470735883/1378850759155646564/catto.gif

[lyric stag]

nobody cares about raid man...

week 21 of farm who cares...

[pallid bay]

real true

[lucid olive]

notice how dsune is too scared to share his logs

smh

[lyric stag]

smh

[pallid bay]

[lyric stag]

notice how he does not look at what is happening or what fight it is...

maybe i got ganked irl u never know these things

[pallid bay]

i pick the easiest fight for you guys..

[lucid olive]

i love stop damage call on mugzee

easiest fight.. cauldron is difficult

[lyric stag]

cauldron so hard

hardest fight ever some say

[pallid bay]

[lyric stag]

guys the buyers make us private log cause they are too embarrassed

i am stuck with the worst gally log known to man for a month

[dry compass]

That's kinda cringe

[lyric stag]

happens more than u would think

[dry compass]

Guy from Rando non-mythic guild has a Gally kill that's private logged he definitely didn't buy it guys

[lyric stag]

xdd

[jade flume]

Man when the buyers request private logs and i was blasting that run

Its the worstest

[mental plover]

just 3 heal it

you phase after swapping to dirt, no cages

[jade flume]

Do people make it without blala on pull

[mental plover]

ye

we lust at 39%

we tried 10 pulls lusting at the start, it fucked everything

not saying its bad, we never did it that way, so we didnt figure it out

[lyric stag]

i'm saying it's bad

lusting pull sucks

[carmine vigil]

i respect the ping but you can msg me without me needing to accept your friend request ^_^ its all good though i got u

[lyric stag]

@carmine vigil can you accept my friend request so I can inquire about Balance Druid coaching? You mention this on your Raider.io profile but there is nowhere I can direct message you without requesting you as a friend or paying a fee on Twitter lol.

[carmine vigil]

dot enemy 3 stack starlord be in eclipse dont overcap AP A B C thank you that will be $40

@lyric stag

[vale pebble]

@carmine vigil can you accept my friend request so I can inquire about Balance Druid coaching? You mention this on your Raider.io profile but there is nowhere I can direct message you without requesting you as a friend or paying a fee on Twitter lol.

[lyric stag]

so we're charging me now

[meager storm]

I got a r2 on sprocket and they made us private log

[lucid olive]

Tarisant owes me money

[meager storm]

Check my sprocket

Can’t be worse than that

[lyric stag]

these buyers man...

what do i owe u for gamz

[lucid olive]

Idk give me some time and I can come up with a reason..

[lyric stag]

got about 10 mins till i walk out of this class for the day and stop reading discord

[lucid olive]

Only reading discord during class

Heck yeah USA education

[lyric stag]

i pay to be here

[lofty depot]

That doesn't look like a "just vibe it out" lesson

[meager storm]

I have a 17 on sprocket since prog kill :omgBruh:

[lucid olive]

Dak bad on prog good on farm..

[lyric stag]

smh

[meager storm]

I got insanely unlucky 2 mines in china

And it was my first pull on the boss

[lucid olive]

1 banged Sprocket gg

[meager storm]

1 banged gally too

[lucid olive]

If your guild does all of prog with you on the bench and you come in for the kill

Are you not just a buyer then

[lofty depot]

Ur a carry, not necessarily a buyer

[meager storm]

Yeah I refuse to play anything but boomy or mm

[jovial hare]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[eager raft]

the vibes are telling me this is true

[lyric stag]

this guy is so wise

[round field]

it might not be a dps gain

but it is a mental gain

[scarlet tapir]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1378896203919654922.webp?size=96

[noble spindle]

English is not my first language

Dumb it down farther for me

[lyric stag]

cancel starlord good

[noble spindle]

[exotic perch]

heretic

get him out of here

never cancel!

[noble spindle]

Ok now this monke is confused

[royal zenith]

Now I'm conflicted

tarisant said its good...

[exotic perch]

tarisant is a better player then me i am just lazy and will never cancel

[noble spindle]

What if I have 100 parse without canceling

Because my surge crit few more times

[exotic perch]

then gg

i just do enough dam so adds and boss dies its that simple

[noble spindle]

I do enough damage to have 100 boss damage parse

Im ethical

[exotic perch]

some broodtwister vibes from you good sir

[noble spindle]

Melee needs to have their fun being human beyblades

Who am I to ruin their fun

[exotic perch]

ye i get to have fun for the first few kills then they ook ook anything down

sniping pad is hard with dot gameplay

[noble spindle]

Like in my guild for stix

Moment ball blows up on boss and those mobs fly out like candies from piñata

Melee are already going full monke

[exotic perch]

have you played melee before tho

its truly a dopamine hit to see all those mobs appear and ook em down

[pseudo merlin]

anyone else get triggered by the way Tettles pronounces hekili?

[noble spindle]

I started out as a ret paladin / fury warrior

Back in legion

[royal zenith]

can't be worse than O I

[pseudo merlin]

I love O I

[eager raft]

how does he say it

[exotic perch]

when Oi talks i just think of AC/DC chanting Oi Oi Oi from TNT

[pseudo merlin]

e as he man, i as in kill

he-kill-lee

instead of heck kee lee

[eager raft]

Oh that’s how I read it in my head

I dunno if I’ve ever said it out loud tho

But I read it as heck-kill-lee

[gleaming shoal]

Hey guys, how are you simming for balance m+? and would you use keeper of the grove instead of elunes chosen until you reach a certain lvl of key?

[pseudo merlin]

I mean TBF it totally might be

I just read it as the latter, and that's how everyone(content creators) except for him pronounce it (which definitely doesn't mean that he's the one in the wrong)

[dense lagoon]

In M+, should I be proccing eclipse before moonfireing while the tank gathers? And once everything is together then CA? My warlock at about the same ilvl can peak at 18-20m on big pulls with lust but I cant seem to peak that high with my druid. Any suggestions?

[plush prairie]

Want to see something epic

[meager storm]

Timegating the waist

https://tenor.com/view/omgbruh-corey-harris-omg-bruh-zoom-court-gif-2693074222613527227

[barren carbon]

You can moonfire/sunfire before you proc eclipse bc you want to save the dreamstate charges. Once it's all dotted, then send foe+trinket+CA

[calm ibex]

has anyone really tested if the new belt is good or not lmao

i assume if its not itll be buffed and we just run cloak and wrists for embels

[exotic perch]

itll be good

[calm ibex]

yaaay

[maiden pasture]

i love a tier with 20 million small upgrades timegated

just to not be used next tier

[calm ibex]

the belt will probably be like the ring

where we'll still use it at least into heroic lmao

[lucid olive]

belt powers will probably be buffed before release

right now its kinda piss

[lofty depot]

Probably not

[glossy slate]

is it still a dmg increase to stand in melee when convoking on ST fights?

[lofty depot]

Its about not standing past 40 yards

And it's not an increase

[lucid olive]

not really

[lofty depot]

It's a different roll

[glossy slate]

ah, i just remember in DF or SL even, standing in melee would be a small gain during convoke cuz it would force feral abilities

might be wrong

[lucid olive]

nah thats right

but now you get progress towards blooming infusion if you regrowth which can give more empowered wraths

so all in all it doesn't really matter

not like the cat spells do any dmg anyway

[glossy slate]

good stuff cheers

[lofty depot]

Wellllllllllll, thrash big wanning proc... But mushroom on CA so is w.e. :/

[plush prairie]

so after all your advice

This was me on our 8% wipe

[lofty depot]

Type shit

[plush prairie]

popped off

I don't actually know why

as I was playing pretty much the same the whole time

but that one was the one that I played perfect in my eyes

the rest I made mistakes like normal

but no where near that much dps

[lofty depot]

Big gamer shit

[plush prairie]

Yeah, so I appreciate you helping me, learned a lot

no longer trash, i'm just semi-trash now

[lofty depot]

Kill the boss

[plush prairie]

now for the sad news

[exotic perch]

we are all trash in the infinite universe

[plush prairie]

8% was not our best pull

(game taking ages to load)

😦

we had a better one

1.3% 😦

[grizzled shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/go-for-it-you-can-do-it-encourage-do-it-gif-14006408

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/7UEg.gif

[versed belfry]

Should we be simming the 4 different gems for the algari gem?

[lucid olive]

I do this

[versed belfry]

Cool thank you Gamz ❤️

[vital hound]

crit effect

[maiden pasture]

speed>>>

[lofty depot]

crit gem, what a chud

[lucid olive]

higher number on sim

[vital hound]

move speed go brrrrrrr

[scarlet tapir]

Speed into a wall pls

In f1 25 ofc

[exotic perch]

need ms yes

i have 129% its fantastic

[plush prairie]

mine are all dps decrease like that

[gentle patio]

Blizzard says its bedtime

[craggy sonnet]

eu deadge, hey?

[gentle patio]

yes

[grizzled glen]

Bruv my 17 mecha :((((

[plush prairie]

all realms it seems

[plush prairie]

fr tho we were in a 24 PSF

had 5mins left on timer on last boss

last boss 20% hp and then we time it 😭

[craggy sonnet]

wants to do an update after closing .. doesnt start and then this waits after bnet restart

[grizzled glen]

https://tenor.com/view/balls-503-gif-5337748883647272816

[gentle patio]

back online

[plush prairie]

but at what cost

[somber lily]

ok how do you fix the rubberband effect after first boss in ws or in every ToP tp

Fucking tired of getting sent back after the animation is almost done

[zealous gorge]

So do y’all think we still have about 3 months left in season 2? They usually always last 6 months i believe

[signal temple]

Wouldn't there be a universe where we're good?

[obsidian carbon]

Is heroic moxie mug better than myth candle ?

[delicate perch]

what did the sim say

[ebon gate]

what is a good weapon set for balace druid?

[elder remnant]

[lofty depot]

8 week patch cycle, u have roughly 10 weeks

[zealous gorge]

@lofty depot legend ty

[vagrant cove]

If you're in a large aoe pull, are we only starfalling if we are in lunar eclipse? Like if my eclipse is about to wear off am I casting two wraths to get back into it before spamming my starfalls again?

[lofty depot]

yes u want to be in an eclipse

[vagrant cove]

Thankyou

On Dreamgrove it has starfalling at cap astral power above starfalling in eclipse in the aoe priority thing but it didnt sound right to me

[slim iris]

You still press starfall if you will overcap outside of eclipse

[fervent merlin]

Just try to not be there

[lofty depot]

well that wasnt the question u asked

u would starfall to not cap asp

if the wrath casts wouldnt cap u, u would wrath to get into eclipse and then starfall

[vagrant cove]

Fair point ty

[shadow gate]

sorry for a dumb question but with the lunar calling do i use starfire over wrath even during incarnation?

[lofty depot]

starfire always

[shadow gate]

thank you!

[sleek echo]

Is it worth dotting every enemy with moonfire in 10 and lowers or just the elite? I've been trying to spread the dot, but I'm finding the packs are always half-dead by the time I can start casting Starfall and I'm properly ramped.

[round field]

If stuff dies too fast its probably not worth dotting

[lofty depot]

poggy

[vital hound]

[jade flume]

Fake

[livid jay]

graaaatz

[drifting nova]

how much?

[livid nebula]

Just picked up Best in Slots last night, with it sharing cooldown with on use trinkets like HoC, what's the play with its on use effect?

[cloud plover]

🤓

[livid nebula]

go to bed

[cloud plover]

go drop ur sim into a quick sim

look what it does

ez solve

[livid nebula]

Let me ask the bumkins

[cloud plover]

ask them why u die dawnbreaker first boss

[livid nebula]

[livid jay]

Anybody in a sub WR 500 guild who can give me some input on how they handle the "What spec do you want to play next season?" question in their guild?

[runic citrus]

boomkin

[jade flume]

Fotm

[livid jay]

you use hoc with incarn+trees+convoke and best in slots with second incarn+trees

[pallid bay]

is this a question that needs answering? are you not safe to assume they will be playing whatever they're currently playing

or do you they just roam free suddenly proc a different class/role

[jade flume]

This is the way