balance

[rough hearth]

I am dumb. I realized why I didn't see the priority list on https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium

I needed to click twice on the box to get it to expand

This is much better than the wowhead guide! ♥️

[mint ruin]

Explain the dreamstacks thing please

This one

[maiden pasture]

you wanna use both of these charges, before using warrior of elune because why waste 40% reduced cast time starfires

warrior of elune will make them instant cast and waste these

[mint ruin]

Thx

[timid schooner]

In which situations I need to use both of the incanration stacks on the same pack?

[pale hollow]

Is it alright for me to post a log here for someone to help me analyse it? I'm really struggling with AoE damage, and feel like any other boomkins blast really quicjly and I just take forever to ramp it up, I must be doing something wrong. It's only a +10, but even on Stix Mythic as an example, I got a 97 parse for boss damage, but like a 20 for overall damage.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9dxnZ3FJhBmGHzRp?fight=1

[timid schooner]

Or thats troll?

[lofty depot]

theres only a few pulls like that

so if they live long enough and/or u pulling smaller the next pack

or theres a lot of down time like motherlode

[maiden pasture]

you dont need to enter eclipse before incarn, dont cast these wraths and you'll have dreamstate in incarn

[lofty depot]

using incarn before fore

[maiden pasture]

kinda hard to see what happened without context but in what world is there this much gaps between ur casts

[lofty depot]

pulled the middle into the stairs pack

[pale hollow]

i would assume just a pack getting dotted as it moved to another pack

[pale hollow]

this is very helpful though, so i never need to double wrath before incarn, makes sense!

[lofty depot]

ur timing on cds is fucked beacuse u used incarn in the middle of the first pack

[maiden pasture]

3 moonfires, and u run away 🤨

[lofty depot]

u then used 3rd incarn here

[maiden pasture]

dont dot if the mobs are about to die

[pale hollow]

i think the add might have been on like <1% and i wouldnt have gotten a cast of, but yeah, makes sense 🙂

[pale hollow]

kk, just poor cd timing then, thanks. rotationally seems to be mostly ok tho from what youve wrote so far

[maiden pasture]

trinket without incarn, not a good look

[lofty depot]

id say theres plenty to work on

u casted 1 starfire in this incarn

[pale hollow]

Fair enough, I think I probably need to read a bit more to fully understand it all. I thought that I wouldnt use starfire if i had enough AP to pop starfall in aoe

[lofty depot]

well thats ok-ish

u still have a lot of gaps there

[pale hollow]

do i always hold priory for incarn? wasnt sure, just cos its a 2 min cd

[maiden pasture]

its more holding incarn for priory than the other way around

if u have 1 charge of incarn off CD the other one is still ticking down

so ur not really "holding" like you dont lose value

[pale hollow]

that makes sense, thanks

[lucid olive]

wdym click twice

[lofty depot]

idk why were using incarn in the middle of a pack with boss next pull

u then fuck ur timing

u then use incarn at like 50% of boss

[pale hollow]

yeah i remember doing that.... that one i knew was fucked 😄

[lofty depot]

then dont have it for the big ass pull after

u dotted 6/8

[pale hollow]

should always do all 8 i assume?

[maiden pasture]

do u have dispell on some easy button to press

[lofty depot]

actually sorry

6/12

[pale hollow]

aye, just not got mouseover for others

[maiden pasture]

you pressed it 8 times this dungeon and theres nothing to dispell

[lofty depot]

idk what this incarn is either

u must not be tracking or know what dreamstate is

because u have 1/2 stacks here

[pale hollow]

yeah, i dont know

[lofty depot]

but also foe before incarn

[pale hollow]

i dispelled the affix

[maiden pasture]

that doesnt show up on logs as a dispel

interesting

[lucid olive]

maya only does +5s so he doesnt know about the affix

[maiden pasture]

fair enough

[lofty depot]

at least u used wildcharge properly a few times on 2nd boss

shouldve held incarn

then agian ur timings are fucked

so shrug

[pale hollow]

ok, my cd usage certainly seems to be the biggest issue.... and not having a clue what draemstate was 😄

[lofty depot]

dotted 2/6

it just seems u dont know the prio

[pale hollow]

think i need to delete and start again 😄

[rough hearth]

I clicked on the box once, thinking it was one of those "select which talent/thing you're interested in and the below will change" -- but that didn't expand it for me.

Hmm.. but now that I go back and click on it, it's expanding for me in one click, so I don't know what happened. Maybe I didn't have that window focused, so my first click counted as focusing on the window as opposed to opening the dialog...

(i.e., general incompetence on my part)

[lofty depot]

4/5

and then idk what the cast sequence is

[pale hollow]

ok, lots to learn 😄

first thing i think i need to do is find dreamstate on WA pack

[rough hearth]

Let me know if you find one! I was searching wagio for a good dreamstate WA, but I couldn't find one

[pale hollow]

dot more, and use cd's at better times, is easy enough

[lofty depot]

6/8

[lofty depot]

just take one from a pack

[pale hollow]

I assume its in this WA pack i got the other day

[lofty depot]

theres a bunch in compendium

or better yet use a better pack >

[rough hearth]

Do you guys just delete the parts that you don't care about?

[lofty depot]

u used foe as the last boss was transitioning

[lofty depot]

uhhh which part dont u care about

[pale hollow]

https://wago.io/GzpP7i8ic/187 using this one atm, looked the best to me. i just un-loaded the support part.

[lofty depot]

I use Ois and everything in that is actual info to use

[pale hollow]

yeah, i just read the spell..... kinda a bad habit 😄

[rough hearth]

For example, I don't want to track all my cool downs, because I already I already see them fine on my bar. I already have a cast bar that I like. I already have an eclipse tracker WA that I like. I also already like my astral power tracker

This is fine. I will try the packs and then delete things I don't want. Thank you for the recommendations!

[lofty depot]

i suppose u can do that

its just more work when one of those weakauras breaks

[rough hearth]

Yeah 😞 I just really prefer not to have unnecessary/redundant things on my screen so I can see better.

[pale hollow]

do insta cast starfires from WoE get consumed if used in dreamstate

@lofty depot

[lofty depot]

yes

and vise versa

which is the point to use dreamstate stacks

then use woe charges

[pale hollow]

makes sense, thanks a lot

[lofty vector]

hey, might be a silly question, but when is the best time to pop the on-use for the best-in-slots weapon in our rotation? (i have house of cards and the global cds it has with trinkets make it hard to figure out)

[fossil shard]

https://wago.io/OiBalance

[lofty depot]

2nd ca or maybe vibe it out in m+

[fossil shard]

its preference ofc

but that one is good

[lofty depot]

its not preference

thats the only one >

[pale hollow]

might try it, im certainly not locked into one yet

[lofty depot]

u use something else, ur inferior

[pale hollow]

the one i have was on the recommended ones though

so it wasnt random 😛

[rough hearth]

I like it 😄 I installed it ~20 min ago

[pale hollow]

does it only show in combat

nvm, just doesnt show in travel form

[lofty depot]

u can turn taht off

u can also change the eclipse solar/lunar sides by turning one of the groups off/on

can also turn on the defensives iirc

[fossil shard]

i was trying to be impartial but u right

its truly bis

that UI + jundies plater made me go from green parsing to blue

insane gains

[forest saffron]

do i take jastor diamond (hero) from cartel chips when i got footbomb (myth) ? for m+

[fossil shard]

hmm

[round field]

Footbomb

[fossil shard]

im not sure how those two are dependant on each other lol

I'm also p sure robot will still say take cyrce + jastor

only myth miniature roulette heavy mast + myth jast out simmed cyrce

for me at least

[lofty depot]

in mdt it can say to take jastor + crafted or "footbomb"

[fossil shard]

well there ya go

in robot we trust

🙏

[charred mango]

huh mug just kinda fell over

[plush prairie]

On mugzy on mythic, do we ever press starfall?

[lofty depot]

no

convoke will cast one, big poggers

[stone ledge]

My robot has me taking crafted+ myth footbomb for m+ and circlet for raid

[signal temple]

Eye of Kezan in Weekly Cache

[plush prairie]

Sweet

[brittle otter]

could anyone explain to me how the boomy rips aggro here ?

https://www.twitch.tv/krisztko/clip/AdventurousAnimatedTermiteAsianGlow-lSnt16Dl0onPXjgp

almost on every single mob

[pallid bay]

bear form threat modifier

[brittle otter]

does it work on starfall / shrooms etc ?

[pallid bay]

works on any of your damage when you're in bear

exciting stuff

[brittle otter]

well , that sucks 😄

is that something that got changed at some point or did it always work like that ?

[normal pilot]

that's how it's always been

bear form is how bear tanks do increased threat

[rich coral]

How do you Sim as balance for Mythic + ? 5 bosses , 5 minutes length ?

[brittle otter]

yeye i get that part but your boomy spells used to not do any damage in bear form etc

or starfall even got cancelled

[pallid bay]

that seems like a very long time ago if true

[brittle otter]

shrooms explode and he aoe taunts basically 😄

[mighty mica]

1t5m lazy sim, MDT for a more confident sim. mentioned in the compendium

[meager storm]

Should ask the @obsidian jetty

[brittle otter]

ty for the info !

[rich coral]

@mighty mica THx, i didnt see it 🙂

[meager storm]

[frail yacht]

i need do my key +10

any can help me i got il 657 dx

[shy solstice]

i should be going into lunar eclipse when stix spawns ads right

[lofty depot]

well u should be going into incarn but sure if u can slam starfires

[maiden pasture]

if u press starfire on stix ur a padder

you should wrath

generate as much asp as possible thats ur job

[signal temple]

[crimson ibex]

i was going to ask how tf i couldnt figure out how to sim the head enchants

but I see arctic is using infinite stars

so i know i shouldnt

gg

[lofty depot]

im a mage

[crimson ibex]

yeah cause its good for mage right

[lofty depot]

theres like 3 that are close

and i dont feel like being in melee

[jolly delta]

wtb graphic designer...

@lofty depot whats more important

the cd duration or the effect duration

[lofty depot]

buff

i think that orange line is fine tho

i think i actually prefer that look

[jolly delta]

no i think it sucks

[lofty depot]

well ur a software engineer not a graphic designer

so stay in your lane

[noble spindle]

rekt

[jolly delta]

without rounded borders

[lofty depot]

ERM

[lucid olive]

that looks like dogshit

[jolly delta]

do it urself then

[lucid olive]

oh sorry arctic told me to say that

i could not do it better i love you

but less is more

[severe hollow]

tbh not totally sure what it displays but it does actually look a lot more messy compared to the one before

[jolly delta]

ye i removed icons

[jolly delta]

one before what

like the very old one

[severe hollow]

this one

[jolly delta]

or this one

well yeah that one wasnt showing half the stuff

[maiden pasture]

what is this

what do the 2 rows of trees represent

why is like nothing aligned

[jolly delta]

because I'm not spending time to align shit while I try different designs

[jolly delta]

those are resto trees

with charges

[maiden pasture]

o

resto shti in balance chat

gg

expert my ass

[jolly delta]

heres balance shit

happy?

[craggy sonnet]

now judge the design for the balance shit

[jolly delta]

(its shit)

[craggy sonnet]

did you even post the one with cd texture inside the buff texture?

[jolly delta]

this one?

[craggy sonnet]

💀

no

idk what this means

but yea, i'd still like to see cd and buff duration swapped .. also prolly no stripes
(because there are only very few exceptions where the cd would ever be shorter than the active duration and therefore could be contained within the larger texture)

[jolly delta]

the stripes are for the channel

here it was on gg for testing purposes

well, in that screenshot at least

idk too much shit to visualize, too little space

[lucid olive]

is the actual channel time really that important to visualize

when the goal is to plan cooldowns

[jolly delta]

i mean

just because balance uses convoke as the last cast doesnt mean channel is not important

you dont want to clip it

and you also want to know when you can start casting again, assuming you have to

I also honestly dont think that this is extremely unreadable:

assuming you know what the things are

(ignore the displaced X)

[craggy sonnet]

imo there is no way the slim texture should be layered below the chonky one

[jolly delta]

idk it's w/e there are like a thousand combinations

at one point i'll settle on something that I like

[craggy sonnet]

in like a week, im sure 🙂

[jolly delta]

24%

[deft pumice]

I feel like I’m doing something wrong in M+ 14/15. I’m 674, ending runs with about 3m DPS. Feels too low?

Only recently picked up boomy so I am missing my helm/belt/wrist gems but still shouldn’t I be pressing 3.5+?

[lofty depot]

post a log

jundies shows the buff on the left side so u know if a mob ahs it

[lucid olive]

Jundies is a plater profile

[deft pumice]

Try this one. This one sucked lol

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hJcT39CLzYHar24N?fight=15&type=summary

[lucid olive]

Displays purgable enrages on the left side of the nameplate

[lofty depot]

its a plater profile

[lofty depot]

ur dotting in your cds

im gonna be so real

ehh nvm ive decided to help u more

new players often times do this, which is empting ur asp every chance u get

essentially going from 100 to 0

this isnt a dps thing more of a learning to use your buttons thing

learn to use wildcharge

[deft pumice]

So all dots should be up/applied before I think about using Incarn/Fury? Wasting my uptime dotting.

[lofty depot]

have u read the prio list

[deft pumice]

I have.

[lofty depot]

one sec gotta roll for a joke

darn

the first 2 times are specifically what ur not doing

[deft pumice]

Starfall only to keep asp from capping and keeping starlord up instead of emptying asp

[lofty depot]

if ur in ur incarn, u want to be casting big damage spells

not fuggn moonfire

[deft pumice]

Got it, I’ll give it a go. Appreciate it.

[lofty depot]

i would suggest reading the prio again, go start a log or recording, go hit the dummies for 5 minutes, rewatch the log/vod, reread the prio list. think about/fix what is wrong, repeat

like 5 times

[iron chasm]

Big trap people fall into in keys is just not dotting everything then slamming cds/foe after its all dotted, yeah it sucks to dot every mob outside of fodder mobs but standing still and slamming starfire/starfall while your in cds is where your damage is

[lofty depot]

its the first thing on the prio

[keen crow]

is KoTG still the better option for sub 14 keys?

[merry ibex]

Now everyone plays without the ring of cyrce?

[meager storm]

they prob need the stamina

[heady marsh]

jus hopped on my druid to get dinar caught up an did a sim an got told to swap candle an signet for eye an entropic.. help

[ancient violet]

How important is it to play around Starlord stacks? Like when it's almost expiring, would you ever stop dumping star power for a bit close to cap?

[full gazelle]

Inconsequential and advanced tech don’t even stress it tbh never over cap that’s more important. Cancelaura is for the master players

[lofty depot]

generally u should dump a starfall before the end of eclipse

then cast into the end so u can get it up again

[ancient violet]

I mean the Starlord stacks that give haste on Starfall Starsurge casts. It stacks up to 3, but new stacks don't refresh duration, so I noticed if it's 3 stacks with 0.5 sec left, and I cast a 4th, the stacks go wasted either way. So my thoughts are in such situations, it's better to hold off and start starlords stacks again by letter them expire first

[full gazelle]

It’s in compendium, there’s a macro to cancel the stacks <2s approximately

You’d press it and send your spender. Seems like you’re actively thinking about it at least but more importantly don’t over cap AP

Not something to stress about, the gain wouldn’t be noticeable for the majority

[lofty depot]

i know what starlord does

and what i said is generally how its played

ur starlord ends when ur eclipse ends(ish) if done properly

[ancient violet]

Ahh that's good to know! Thanks

[digital berry]

i mean the gameplay for balance almost never requires you to dump in the first place

so you would never "Stop dumping" since dumping astral power is generally a wrong move

[ancient violet]

Do you mean you always use surge/Starfall as soon as it's available? I've been pooling slightly to work around the crit buff from eclipse, or even timing Starfall for proper setup of Incar use

[digital berry]

Quite the opposite , if you look at the priority list, the conditions for casting fall and surge are mainly : to not cap, for movement, for starlord stacks, free procs

[ancient violet]

Ah yeah I never meant to reach cap. I'm talking about using surge at 30 star power, or use it at like 80+ that's the wiggle room I'm trying to optimize around Starlord stacks and eclipse buffs

[digital berry]

Well unless you need to move, you should generally not cast surge at 30, you want to maintain your asp around 70 to give yourself enough room to not overcap and enough free globals for movement

[ancient violet]

Ah got it! That's very useful thanks. So it's mainly around the possibility to move while casting instead of the eclipse or Starlord

[digital berry]

Now if you are inside cds, on a dmg amp phase, with lust or some other dmg buffs are on, I’d probably send till I’m dry just to make use of that window

[digital berry]

Well you just gotta be aware of your starlord stacks, if it’s about to expire and you’re at like 80 astral power you know you can get back into eclipse before you overcap without sending any spenders

You just don’t wanna be at 0 asp and 0 starlord stacks casting surges or falls without any haste

[ancient violet]

And what about eclipse just expiring, and being at 90+ asp. Meaning it would overcap by casting two wraths, but surely the eclipse buff and dump would be higher output instead of depleting asp a bit before the wrath casts?

[digital berry]

To be quite honest I haven’t been worrying too much about balance of all things this season, haven’t been playing around it, just enter each eclipse with decently high asp and get your starlord up

[lofty depot]

starfall is dynamic

so u should cast a starfall at the end of ur eclipse there

[ancient violet]

That's great! So I should worry less 😂

[digital berry]

Idk what the right thing to do is tho so don’t take it as gospel, I’ve had good results just not playing around boat window too much

[normal pilot]

most of it doesn't matter

don't waste ap, get into eclipse asap

[lofty depot]

the only thing i "play around boat" for is casting starfire at the start

[ancient violet]

Ok that makes a lot of sense

[digital berry]

Also, overcapping 5 asp is not gonna tank your dps

Some people straight up overcap 20/30% of their entire asp generation

[lofty depot]

should make smolder be off of crits again :/

[digital berry]

The more you play the class the more you’re going to understand the general flow

[mental plover]

im trying to do the mdt sim, whats going on, first timer

[digital berry]

Did you copy the correct string? From the mdt weak aura ?

[mental plover]

i used that one

[digital berry]

And you pasted it in the correct place?

Not an mdt connoisseur myself tbh so troubleshooting might be sloppy on my part

[digital berry]

It seems like the “ nothing to sim” line implies you might have copied the wrong thing or pasted it in the wrong place

[mental plover]

is it here?

[digital berry]

Yes and no

[mental plover]

cause here it says this

[digital berry]

You need to go lower

Expert mode

Should open one more input window

[mental plover]

oh it opened 5

where do i copy

[digital berry]

Should be the first one up top if I remember correctly

But I might remember wrong as I said I used mdt sim once

[digital berry]

Yeah should be in the header

[digital berry]

Looks like you’re maybe copying the wrong string then if it’s showing that many errors, you have a route selected right ? Could also be that the weak aura needs an update, might try and do that if you haven’t just installed it

[mental plover]

just installed it ye

thsi is what im exporting

[digital berry]

Oh lmao it’s the footer not the header

Whoops

[mental plover]

ye that worked thx 🙂

[digital berry]

I just led you astray for 10 minutes but we got there in the end

[elder remnant]

brother what is going on in our APL

also where tf can I go for a ST dummy that won't put me in combat with PVP & tanking dummy smile

[ancient violet]

Anyone got any cool Boomkin tricks in Mythic keys? Some kind of special uses of Mass Entanglement or Vortex for example? Saw a resto shaman doing a double earth grab totem on second phase of last boss in Priory yesterday preventing all the ads to come up. Was wondering if we have some cool things too.

[round field]

Whats wrong

[indigo barn]

dunno the timings with bis look normal on my sim

[maiden pasture]

On top of the pillar

If Ur in the middle of the PvP fountain area looking out to the exit of dornogal, bottom left pillar

[elder remnant]

what pillar

[elder remnant]

sunfire GCD in CA

[round field]

And?

[elder remnant]

that can't be optimal lmao

[round field]

I press sunfire in ca if i have to refresh

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[elder remnant]

I try to refresh early usually

[round field]

Mby not 4th global tho

[elder remnant]

that's what I mean lmao

[round field]

4th sounds a bit sussy

[elder remnant]

if it's going to need refreshing that early in

[round field]

I mean

[elder remnant]

surely it should refresh between the starfires or before trees

[round field]

We are actually like

Best spec in the game

But no one knows

Cause our apl writer is warlock tier sandbagger

[elder remnant]

LOL

yeah the results on WCL totally support your argument

[elder remnant]

we used to be able to root a dog in workshop but they fixed that 🙂

[golden belfry]

Not really since they fixed fiery jaws leaps

[round field]

Boomkin players are also the worst players to ever grace the gaming industry so it drags the statistics down

[golden belfry]

Just like stopping void crushers jumps on other people with vortex/typhoon while they're mid air

[round field]

Theyre the modern hunter players

[golden belfry]

Grouping small adds first pull of dfc

Etc

[elder remnant]

what was the bot we had in here for a bit

had some of the copypastas and such

@delicate perch do u remember?

[full gazelle]

Fly up above the dummies there are four pillars. One of them has an isolated single dummy on it another has three.

[maiden pasture]

cshpendium?

[maiden pasture]

I started doing this but only on vibes

I don't wanna press sunfire in CA so I just press it right before even if it's not in pandemic

Idk if anyone has tried adding it to the APL where you only CA if sunfire won't need refreshing during CA , I assume so

@lucid olive

[loud kettle]

Wonder which corruption enchant gamz uses

[odd latch]

give me a fat chicken meme...

[loud kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/owl-gif-16335502502929479800

Best i got

[odd latch]

boomkin irl?

[scarlet tapir]

no thats just @maiden pasture

[odd latch]

when all chicken does is eat kfc...

[delicate perch]

ya cshpendium was the funny bot

[maiden pasture]

What the helly

[scarlet tapir]

what the hellyante

[elder remnant]

ah ty

[elder remnant]

that's it

ty

i miss paper

[scarlet tapir]

ur alone on that one cuz

[delicate perch]

🫗 same

[severe hollow]

[ancient flicker]

not to alarm anyone but I think someone in this discord is processed by an owl.

[delicate perch]

I bet it's @drifting nova

[elder remnant]

it's @lime badge

[severe hollow]

What's are they getting processed to?

Are we making some nice broccoli soup?

[tawdry oak]

When you kill myth gallywix, how many mounts drop

[pallid bay]

3

[tawdry oak]

Cheers

[pallid bay]

this is just a sample sequence you're looking at, changing it does not produce more dps in a sim

[ancient flicker]

I think today is name drop pumps day

[lime badge]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-bear-dance-papabear-gif-5643093640596300426

[elder remnant]

oh good

[elder remnant]

ping him in every discord

[scarlet tapir]

pumps this pumps that how bout u pumps some bitches

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1241400602811044062.webp?size=96&animated=true

[pallid bay]

💀

[ancient flicker]

friends of pumps assemble!

@elder remnant are you pumps wife?

work wife?

[elder remnant]

yeah sure

[craggy sonnet]

What is this pull 9

[royal zenith]

I dunno

maybe keep the Raellyn x pumps shit to the guardian channel

who even cares

[craggy sonnet]

But this maybe shouldn't be a valid sequence to begin with is the sentiment, I guess?

[pallid bay]

changing it does nothing but add complexity

sample sequence should not be used as a tool to understand how to play a spec

[craggy sonnet]

Maybe affects variance

[pallid bay]

not in a vacuum at least

[pallid bay]

im not sure what you mean

if anything the correct change would be to explain in compendium that you should refresh dots before CDs

[craggy sonnet]

And you could represent this in the apl

The question is if it would show as a DPS gain over margin of error

Since it may happen more or less depending on iteration

[elder remnant]

did i miss something

[craggy sonnet]

But it could reduce sim variance of the DPS distribution

[royal zenith]

clearly

[elder remnant]

[craggy sonnet]

ouch, so no refreshing sunfire early then

[delicate perch]

I'm refreshing 15s early

[teal sphinx]

Just ignore Leux

[lament kite]

anyone knows if there's a way to macro renewal and the pot on the same thing? like if renewal is on cd it would use the pot and otherwise renewal?

[indigo barn]

you put it into cast sequence like this
/castsequence [@player] reset=90 Renewal, item:211879

or get addon AutoPotion that updates the macro when you get healthstone etc

[severe hollow]

was about to complain about the combat

[indigo barn]

yeah thats what autopotion puts in when you are out of combat i guess

didnt notice

[severe hollow]

(if youd add Healthstones it would not work anymore)

at least be different

[indigo barn]

Yea with healthstones you at least want to split one button for Renewal and HS + HP pot can be on castsequence

[maiden pasture]

Even if you refresh early or

[severe hollow]

unless you have a very good reason, that last part is not good

because either you cant actually use renewal on cd or you wouldnt be able to use your health pot (during some time period)

[indigo barn]

I meant one bind for Renewal and second for Healthstone + Pot.
Not optimal but if someone is looking for a way to macro them together I assume they have trouble using them all separately and this would be better then not using anything.

[severe hollow]

fair thats doable ye

[hollow mist]

💯

[lament kite]

oh that looks exactly what i was going for

i mean i'm still contemplating if its actually more efficient for me to have them on one button and free up the keybind for something else or just keep them seperate still. might give it a try

[indigo barn]

HP pot was lot stronger first tier, now it gives same HP as Renewal, so whatever works for you

There is also a lot of value in renewal with bear form (+ frenzied regen)

[bitter ridge]

i keep reading about MDT sim? What is that ?

trying to figure out how to sim my balance druid for m+

[spice roost]

does ec need higher keys over 12 or even high to do better than kotg im im unsure what hero talent would do more in 12 13s 14s ect

i know i could time them with either im just wondered what is more damge overall in them

[indigo barn]

It is described in this weakaura https://wago.io/Yya4XBbl-

[blissful vine]

hi guys, how many targs do we want to limit our moonfire spread to

or is there no limit?

[scarlet tapir]

u want all ideally but on pulls like meadery if its too big u can just moonfire the important mobs

[blissful vine]

but it's still best to dot everything even in like a 25 mob pull

as long as they live for more than 10s?

[remote hollow]

Is jastor the best choice for balance druid to spend the cartels chips??? does the jastor works with the cyrce ring?????

[shy solstice]

On gally when the ads spawn should i just start dotting every ad in the room or should i dot the condensed pile of ads and start aoeing

[lucid olive]

for p2 you should kill off the sentry adds and let the melee deal with the technicians

unless you wanna pad of course

[real shard]

when do you drop cyrce ? when you got 681 or higher ilvl rings?

[round field]

when it sims more

(probably never)

[ivory pecan]

yo guys - one question.. what is the diffrence between the raid gear trinkets to the mythic onces? how much better are they for m+? i dunno if its worth trying to kill the mythic bosses in raid :/

i am only m+ player in general

[digital berry]

The raid trinkets are really good, probably a couple % overall better then the m+ ones, you can sim it urself tho

[ivory pecan]

ye i see - on current gear its like 180k dps 5 targets 5 min, 80k just out of mugzee trinket

[digital berry]

5t5m is a bit of a useless sim to do, if you really want to sim m+ mdt simming is a better choice

[stone tulip]

hey guys, if im starting a fresh druid, wont raid but will definitely get all 12s, would you recommend getting jastor or house of cards with the first 3 chips?

[digital berry]

Probably jastor just because it’s super rare and everyone wants it

[foggy spruce]

Hey, do you guys have a macro i could get to cast Typhoon and Vortex together, i have in queue spell problem when i try to do one (idk about macro & co)

thank you

[modern cradle]

you can't

they are both on the gcd

so you can't do them at the same time

[foggy spruce]

aight thx, i was sure i have seen it but they might have precast vortex

thanks

[loud kettle]

Yea the combo is vortex and then typhoon after

[modern cradle]

i just found out there's a cooldown on how many times you can change your title?

can change your title like 8 times before waiting for a minute cd before changing again lol

[lofty depot]

Rolls d20

Thanks for the info, I will use this so much

[modern cradle]

np i personally think its pin worthy but i understand other's might have different priorities

[loud kettle]

I cant tell what you rolled

Like genuinely zero idea

It could be any number and I could be convinced

[modern cradle]

he rolled a Nat 1

[shy solstice]

do i unlock the red moonkin form from just killing sageswift

[lucid olive]

yeah as long as it drops

[loud kettle]

Curiosity has been sated ty

[worthy stone]

anyone know how to make plater nameplates deprioritize when affected by moonfire?

[cursive dune]

ik this is a pretty off topic question but, what would be the fastest way to gear a dps rn from scratch ?

looking to gear a boomy

[cloud citrus]

Do weekly flame radiance quest for Champ weapon, Do weekly +11 delve with waveshredder to summon boss and use delvers bounty for hero piece and champions pieces, do your horrific visions with 1 mask for champion gear and weapons, do 4 keys for weekly and from then on just spam mythic+ or raids

[cursive dune]

how do u get waveshredder other than rare drop ? also the radiance quest can be done solo or nah ? cuz i dont have a very pop heavy server

[cloud citrus]

radiance quest happens every on the hour and it will have a bunch of people with you doing it just fill the bar, waveshredder can be bought by a main for 2000 undercoins and sent to an alt

[cursive dune]

bought from finley?

[cloud citrus]

you get 1500 undercoins a week just from doing 1 delve + the 450 you get from completing a 11

yea from finley

[cursive dune]

doing a +11 will guarantee a delver bounty from mini boss drop ?

cuz i dont see myself not failing a +11 with a 620 ilv dps xD

[cloud citrus]

the boss you summon from the wave thing guarentees a map that you can sue in that delve

so you use the wavethrasher to summon the gob boss kill him use the delvers bounty he drops

[cursive dune]

ahh

fair fair

[cloud citrus]

compelte the delve and win

35 gilded + hero piece

[cursive dune]

and if i cant complete it

i can just leave

right

[cloud citrus]

ye

you can even die to the boss you summon cause he leaves behind a gold pile with the map in it

[cursive dune]

ok ay ok ay

[wanton vapor]

is it worth to wait 15sec with incarn for house of cards?

[round field]

yes?

[meager storm]

ofc

[heavy dove]

is there any sort of competitive "Elune's Chosen" Single target builds?

or do we have to run keeper in raid?

[maiden pasture]

If you run elunes in raid you're griefing

[meager storm]

just wait till i try it out next week

leave it to me

[lofty depot]

define competitive

[scarlet tapir]

what is your name bro, u have that for a while

is there some context

[round field]

Yes

[scarlet tapir]

[sacred whale]

Guys , did i find a Sim Method in Dreamgroove how i should sim?

My acually sims are 5 Tar -> 1.30

or 7 - 1.30

or the normaly 5 targets 30 -sek

can someone help me maybe pls :(?

[lofty depot]

clearly u didnt look

cuz quite literally the first paragraph talks about simming

[meager storm]

https://wago.io/Yya4XBbl-

[sacred whale]

and the routes can i find on a online websites or how?

[severe hollow]

literally the step 1

of the link above you

build one or find one which is build

depends how your group pulls

[slow flume]

How can balance druid start their ramping earlier to get more head start dmg against classes like paladin in m+?

[craggy sonnet]

play kotg maybe

or dont bother about it

it doesnt matter if pulls die that quickly

[toxic geode]

are we not using circlet anymore? i see alot of high rio players not having it

[slow flume]

It pisses me off pala doing more dmg without ramp on a 14 just wanted to see what I can do to less the ramp

Kotg is a good choice but any ways for lunar?

[exotic perch]

you usually use elunes chosen when things start to live longer

if they arent you can play keeper and it works well

[severe hollow]

you can try to ddos the paladin player

makes their ramp longer

[slow flume]

Alright let me try kotg next run

[slow flume]

Another good option

[exotic perch]

ill play kotg up till like 14s

[pallid bay]

you just need to think less about what the correct rotation is and more about how to snipe the irrelevant damage before others

if you want more overall

well not necessarily more overall compared to another run but more on a specific pull compared to the other dps

[exotic perch]

also playing with ret pally is a losing battle usually

since they have cds every 30s

[noble spindle]

if u care about overall

just spam starfall

starsurging is banned

[white flint]

Question about sims, for me a hero HoC sims 10k lower than myth Signet. How reliable is the boomie APL for simming? Because my feeling about the 1.30mins cd makes the HoC sim more reliable to real life scenarios

[round field]

Nope

Its right

[lofty depot]

well apl is correct for 1t5m

or generally jsut st

and if u run a sim at 6m/630 ull see it play out the same

mdt isnt 100% reliable for anyone, u can look at the cast sequences and see it use cds at end of packs....

hoc might be easier and still be worse

[round field]

Hoc and signet arent that different for mplus

[lofty depot]

10k is also not a number that is worth thinking about

[white flint]

Thanks for answers 😄

[heady marsh]

So if we can't buy myth jug or cards go with heroic jastor even for m+? I currently have candle and signet

[digital berry]

sim your options

[indigo barn]

Do we have some kind of immunity on frost boots on Mugzee or no?

like for the actual debuff application

[plush prairie]

Not that i'm aware of

You can just roar it tho ezpz

also just stand next to fire and walk into it to get it off too ez

[indigo barn]

Ye im just wondering because I didnt get it once in 30 pulls

seems unlikely

[plush prairie]

Lucky I got like every mechanic every pull

mad cringe

tank frontal and then the shooting fingers right at the same basically

game trolling

[maiden pasture]

They are for mplus vibes tho

[round field]

Not rly

[maiden pasture]

Main druid has signet, feels ass not being able to send until signet is up

Alt has hoc, feels chill

Never feels like you're waiting

[round field]

They both desycn

Same shit

[maiden pasture]

In my experience at least

[round field]

Wait 1 min for trinket to line up or wait 1 min for ca to line up

Its so whatever

[maiden pasture]

Idk vibes just feel better with hoc for me

[merry ibex]

Is there someone here that's doing at least 15-16 keys that I can dm a couple questions to about cc?

[lofty depot]

just ask ur question dawg

[fluid hazel]

So you can flame them and tell em to read the compendium?

[lofty depot]

preferably yea

[rose garnet]

you miss 100% of the shots you dont take

[lofty depot]

blud types once a year on avg

[fluid hazel]

You’re proving my point

[lofty depot]

i care about ur point i promise

[severe hollow]

is that in the compendium?

[lofty depot]

dont see it

[vital hound]

just ask ur question dawg

[scarlet tapir]

just ask ur question dawg

[heady marsh]

the sim is in my first dinar is heroic jastor lol

[livid jay]

cleanest gally kill in history

[lofty depot]

how warlock die first

[livid jay]

died right after taking frontal 😄

[plush prairie]

rogue died twice bench him

[digital berry]

Smh bear form where

[digital berry]

That was my experience too, I got it so rarely when I first got it 30 pulls in I was appalled

[grand vapor]

Anyone have a "not in eclipse" weakaura that I can have and make it ding at me whenever im not in eclipse?

[livid jay]

true should have reacted in that 1 second after half the raid died 😄

[digital berry]

I bet you still had health pot smh

[livid jay]

funny that a lot of us actually lived the first explosiuon

[fiery veldt]

wat helm enchant do i want

[livid jay]

void ritual

[fiery veldt]

tyty

[livid jay]

what if i lied

[lofty depot]

thats toxic

[eager raft]

based

[white flint]

Dumb question, if I'm capped on AP but not in an eclipse (I know, my fault, but happens, at least to me) should I waste AP by entering eclipse and then spend, or dump AP in a non-eclipsed starsurge/starfall and the enter eclipse?

[jolly delta]

[severe hollow]

why have 2 lines for CA if you have the charge amount displayed above

[jolly delta]

not sure how to cram all the info in one line + allow the user to move the charges around in an easy way

[severe hollow]

I would just merge the lower 2 lines

it being in 2 lines seems not nececarry/confusing because the charges explain basically the same thing

[jolly delta]

how would a user delete the 1st cast

in a situation like this

if both lines were merged

[severe hollow]

guess if the green bars would overlap could merge colours and have it be red or sth

because unless im confused that just seems absolutely terrible

(gameplay wise)

[jolly delta]

ok but resto wants to send all treants at once

and they have 3 charges

idk

I understand where you're coming from

[severe hollow]

think a similar solution would work tho

change the colour if you have overlapping times

[jolly delta]

And I thought of allowing the user to collapse the bar

[severe hollow]

like have green for 1 stack yellow for 2 red for 3

or what ever else

[jolly delta]

but then it becomes a nightmare in UX if you dont have also this option

because as a user I think there's value in being able to move your single casts individually

[craggy sonnet]

makes it difficult to assign draggable space

[jolly delta]

without having to pixel hunt

the part that needs to be grabbed

[severe hollow]

fair

[jolly delta]

but yeah collapsing them just for visualization purposes is something on the todo list

[severe hollow]

also prolly already on your todo and very understandable that its a lto simpler to do but the .50s looks really ugly imo

[jolly delta]

funnily enough I have the .50s there because that was way simpler to implement

[severe hollow]

yea

thats what I meant

[jolly delta]

oh ye

standard zoom doesnt have it tho

at least there's that

[severe hollow]

yea but think if youd have it on closer zoom (prolly a bit closer to whats there) would be a bit better if youd have all with extra digits

so 5.0 7.5 10.0

instead of 5 7.5 10

but ofc not highest prio at all

[jolly delta]

its in there somewhere

[severe hollow]

[jolly delta]

Hopefully I release it for 11.2

[elder remnant]

Good morning my sweet angel babies

How are we all this morning

[digital berry]

[eager raft]

gm pookie

[exotic perch]

hello its evening?

[rough marten]

boomkin 5 mask solo achieved

[trim ether]

Why are boomkins starfalling on funnel trash, isnt it troll? For instance 1st boss of cinderbrew where you pull leftover packs

[delicate perch]

Using other mobs to gain ST damage that I can’t? Not on my watch

[elder remnant]

Hello no you’re wrong

[elder remnant]

[elder remnant]

So true

Overall go brrr

[exotic perch]

they still need to die

[gentle patio]

Top dps is more important than succeeding a key

[exotic perch]

silly to starsurge

[elder remnant]

So true fuck my mage

[delicate perch]

Ya I don’t think that’s a good example for surge over fall

[exotic perch]

always starfall em

[lucid olive]

1st boss in Darkflame on the other hand

[elder remnant]

Same reason I hope no one collects the hyenas on Stix

[delicate perch]

I’m starfallin there too

[quiet drift]

More than 1 mob on my screen?

Starfall

[delicate perch]

Those rats will NOT harm my friends

[exotic perch]

i have a feeling an aussie is talking

[delicate perch]

🤺

[elder remnant]

A few are

[delicate perch]

Awww naaauuurrrr

[elder remnant]

They gotta die too

[rough marten]

overall > time key

if brick? not ur fault

overall high

[exotic perch]

dont even think youd brick a key tbh

[digital berry]

yeah no way youre bricking just because youre falling on first boss df

[maiden pasture]

sheeeesh

how many attempts?

seems kinda aids

[exotic perch]

surging on like a 5+ mob count pull is crazy

[rough marten]

more than I'd like to think

1 tapped as soon as I went mage first

gigabis strat

[maiden pasture]

mage first eh

are u turbo pulling or one pack at a time cause pulling more than one pack seems scary XD

[digital berry]

dont you just run out of sanity if you take it too slow?

[maiden pasture]

yeah but u also get one shot if u pull too much cause bolstering XD

[digital berry]

rather dead then a bitch

[drifting nova]

[rough marten]

turbo pull and pray

ursols/typoon/trees are ur lifeline

try to minimize waste by killing elites when ur below the threshold of sanity gain

u want max 150 sanity each time u kill one

so orbing right before is big tragedy

unless u have to

[lofty depot]

the difference in surge and starfall when ur in m+ talents isnt as big as u think

[delicate perch]

thanks I'm starfalling ST now

[teal sphinx]

lol anytime arctic says anything, atleast we know to ignore it

[delicate perch]

[lofty depot]

@cursive mirage ill come on my druid so u can sit this rat

[delicate perch]

you'll come on your druid so they can sit a shaman?

[eager raft]

facts real facts real facts real

Real facts

[lofty depot]

they have a resto

think thye have 3 shamans tbf

[vital hound]

making the four button spec three buttons

[delicate perch]

[vital hound]

@lucid olive can you do me a sim 5min 1target ec

but never cast starsurge, only spend starfall

[exotic perch]

its probably not that bad

[vital hound]

ya

i wanna see the numbers tho

[exotic perch]

starfall does decent st dam

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/Af1K.gif

[exotic perch]

bring back dad build

[delicate perch]

I ran the math it's a dps gain

[exotic perch]

the peak of legion moonkin

[craggy sonnet]

tbf, it also gets better with more targets

[vital hound]

it would be peak

get drunk and lean back keys build

[delicate perch]

unbinding surge rn actually

[exotic perch]

just be drunk already who cares

i am

[vital hound]

[lucid olive]

kinda dogshit after they added astronomical impact and buffed starsurge so many times

for start of s1 it was basically dps neutral on 1t in m+ talents to starfall

[exotic perch]

its a sunday before memorial day get lit

[delicate perch]

it's almost 11am on a monday if you're not drunk yet what have you been doing

[vital hound]

what the fuck is a memorial day

who we remembering

[lucid olive]

isnt that the band

a day to remember

[vital hound]

green day

[delicate perch]

that's the yanks anzac day

[vital hound]

innit

[lucid olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pyHZhEfrAUkmoAS4qVQAEc

in m+er talents

not very good

[vital hound]

vibes could potentially be worth 10%

[lucid olive]

on 2 targets

xddd

[maiden pasture]

wait

real?XD

[craggy sonnet]

can you shoot a 5t and look at prio dam?

[lucid olive]

you can do it yourself

[craggy sonnet]

i can

[lucid olive]

open the box and just copy the code innit

[lucid olive]

if you want me to do it

https://buymeacoffee.com/gamz

and i'll consider it

[craggy sonnet]

💀

[lucid olive]

Starfall just saves you globals having to refresh dots on multiple targets right

and its neutral

the sim is doing some weird cooldown timings as well if you look at the sample sequence

but doesn't matter for the purpose of that sim anyway

[craggy sonnet]

bigger number good

[vital hound]

[craggy sonnet]

its 3t btw where you break even on prio dam

[exotic perch]

damn if only we had a way to keep dots up

(fuck refreshing dots vanilla gameplay)

still mad that elunes chosen doesnt provide any moonfires

[digital berry]

[calm ibex]

I’m still hoping they’d remove that basically useless “if you cast a non lunar spell you get 3% dmg on a lunar spell” and make it one that is decent

Since you really only get the bonus when using wrath to get into lunar or using sunfire

Like if lunation and lunar calling didn’t exist then sure it’d be cool

But we don’t live in that world lmao

[digital berry]

minigame build = irrelevant

[calm ibex]

But hear me out

It could

NOT

Be a minigame build

If it wasn’t so shit

[exotic perch]

i mean all the druid hero trees are shit

pretty lazy design overall

[calm ibex]

Yeah sometimes I hate that they design our stuff first because we have 4 specs

Means we don’t get the cool shit

[lucid olive]

Crazy how different people think

I think that talent is one of the better ones

It's just a shame it's piss useless since lunar calling and lunation exist

I'd rather they kept lunar amp and then lobbed the other half of the tree

Changed lunation to give CDR another way instead

And redesigned moons to not be a detriment to the rotation

[exotic perch]

well moons are a detriment to the spec because of eclipse

that single mechanic absolutely fucks the entire spec

[desert imp]

hey gamers, on OAB Mythic do you guys both sun/moonfire all 3 adds and then continue starfall dump until all die or just 2 priority targets and then continue? i feel like i lose a lot of time dotting with movement

[slim iris]

Why does eclipse make them bad

[exotic perch]

sunfire them and slam starfall

hope your trees mf them

[desert imp]

oooh good idea, thanks for this

[exotic perch]

cause it creates an arbitrary window in which to use them

[slim iris]

Idk doesn’t seem like a big deal

You aren’t supposed to cast anything outside of eclipse anyway

[exotic perch]

i mean i just hate eclipse too as a mechanic in its entirety

[slim iris]

Yea that stands alone

[exotic perch]

its a stupid maintenance buff that forces you to pack spells into it

and makes the entire rotation feel clunky and desynced

[slim iris]

🤷‍♂️

Haven’t seen a single good or reasonable idea to replace it

[exotic perch]

true but what we say doesnt matter anyway

its clear blizz doesnt give a shit about feedback

[slim iris]

Not from people in a class discord brother

[modern iron]

Anyone have a good macro that works in m+ and raid for beserking, cards, best in slots and incarn and tempered pot

[modern iron]

Downed him last night I watched a few boomy pov, they only sunfire then trees, so I followed that

[winter egret]

Hey guys, my buddy is kinda new to WoW a. Can anyone take a quick peak at this log of his and let me know a few pointers? First thing I noticed is his starsurge is not hitting hard https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zDVA7w9mRqFkgd2C?fight=4&type=damage-done&source=11

[exotic perch]

tell him to put those logs into wowanalyzer.com

will help with obvious issues

[winter egret]

Thanks!

[exotic perch]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/zDVA7w9mRqFkgd2C/22/11

from what i can tell at least his uptime is not great, starlord stacks are not ideal

his convoke usage is also weird, should be using ca/trinkets, dumping astral power then convoking

[noble spindle]

75% uptime is not ideal

[exotic perch]

he just wastes so much time in cds

and isnt using trees/ca at the same time

[noble spindle]

aka he probably didnt even study up on his standard rotation

should start by linking him dreamgrove guide

[exotic perch]

i see a crazy amount of starfires too, like way more then you should

on ST like sprockermonger you only use starfire to enter into solar then just spam wrath in that

he is not doing either, rotation is just whack

[winter egret]

this is for Vexie but yeah I agree, sent it here cause I dont know shit about druid tbh

[elder remnant]

Analyse my sprocket next

[exotic perch]

vexie is a shit fight to look at

usually ones like sprocket are best since its pure ST

[winter egret]

kk ty

[exotic perch]

but ye link him the dreamgrove guide in pins

[winter egret]

kk ty

[exotic perch]

it should help

[digital berry]

vexie heroic is also entirely st

what are you going to do outside st? Moonfire a bunch of shit that dies right after you dot it?

[fierce lintel]

is this a good breakdown and overall dps # for a 689 in a +12? I feel like my dps is really low and idk why..

[digital berry]

send logs, dmg breakdowns are useless

vod would be best but logs can be lookd over

[fierce lintel]

idek if anyone was logging the last run, let me see

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3dKvgPzCmTBtWjwf?fight=last i think this should work?

its a live log so it has my healing shit too lol, but it's the darkflame im lookin at

[desert imp]

thanks mate, i will try doing the same next reset. Makes sense as i wasted so much time doing double dots all 3

[digital berry]

casting sunfire 4 times for fun

wasting natures grace procs by using woe immediately

you overcast sunfire a LOT, very very often

and eat natures grace stacks very often as well

[naive hazel]

is keeper a better option for low keys?

[digital berry]

play what you have fun with, both are perfectly fine

keeper has more burst

[digital berry]

you cast a whole lot of spenders outside of any eclipse

you also didn't use a singular pot

please farm up something useful no way this champ track trinket is the best thing you got to put on

you also didnt use house of cards a singular time during that dfc

[fierce lintel]

genuinely the best thing I have to put on, my druid has been hyper unlucky

[lucid olive]

Good advice W emni

[foggy dune]

anyone wanna look at my log? I feel like my breakdown is correct, but I'm 5 parsing....
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/A1nDMf6jPZvtwcpW?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=26

[digital berry]

I always give great advice , crazy I don’t have the expert role yet

[lofty depot]

parses in m+ dont matter

foe before incarn
used woe and had dreamstate stacks
macro NV with incarn

weaste of incarn

u shouldnt be foe'ing before entering eclipse

dnt need to enter eclipse before incarning

i get the tank pulled 4 mobs then pulled the others 5 seconds later

but idk why u would incarn at 4 mobs even if that was the case

apparently the one that was missed was a prio target, tragic

u dont use wildcharge enough

ur liekly dodgin the charges here for had bomb

but nonetheless spam casting dots is wrong

did the same thing here but used wildcharge so thats pretty sus

also, this incarn should be used with FOE

always seems od people rather go into cat form or bear for to run around when u could wild charge

shrug

hm

i suppose its fine to use incarn.... but ur not using it with foe

why r u spamming dots if u juse used woe

wasted dreamstate charges again

seems rather sus

seems rather insane ur having to sunfire like that

[delicate perch]

Streaking stars gameplay

[crimson helm]

Dunno if someone already answered the OAB question (dotting the adds), but imo, currently the adds are dying way too fast for actual dotting to matter.
With my kill, I simply pooled ap before adds, set Treants right before they spawned and dumped AP into Starfall. Even kept casting wrath on OAB for next ap and starfalls.
Can correct me thought, it's just how I felt the fight and my dps played out way better, cuz dots literally felt like wasted global cooldowns.
Depends on raiddmg obv.

[lofty depot]

i wish they wouldnt go afk after asking for help 😦

[lofty depot]

dot the far kill target and the off target

generally ur not dotting the melee one

[crimson helm]

Not needed for our setup either tbh, but ye, if movement was needed and I had no other choice, this would of been a useful gcd to use.

[lofty depot]

if u already think its not needed

then i guess im responding for no reason

looks like they live long enough to me

[foggy dune]

I'm reading everything you're saying and appreciate it

[foggy dune]

I'm looking up the stuff you're referring to

[lofty depot]

live long enough later aswell

[obsidian jetty]

losing alot of FoE uses

[lofty depot]

the fuck is that

[foggy dune]

tyvm for the help

[obsidian jetty]

not perfect since there is forced downtime in M+ obviously, but likely could have used it more

[lofty depot]

that wasnt towards u

[indigo snow]

Last season even with incarn off cd remember doing 2xWrath to ender an eclipse to proc sundered firmament and then immediately after going into Incarn. Is this still a thing (was it ever?), i cannot find any information about it anymore

[crimson helm]

For reference: We had 2 Affli, Evoker, SP, 2 Boomies. So yes, even range add was ticking very fast and was dmg immune, before my dots could have mattered and after getting coined, they ticked fast enough down again for my dots to matter imo.
Nicely placed Treants usually get Moonfire everywhere anyway and for Starfall offdmg ist perfectly fine.
And mind: Our kill was before Turboboost, the adds melt even more now prob.
Just giving my train of thought, dotting far add is probably fine too.

[obsidian jetty]

also just have tons of times like this, lotta gaps and downtime

[mellow hinge]

can i ask for some wa here?

i mean, macros

[slim iris]

Some people still do it

[lofty depot]

if hte add lives longer than 6 seconds its worth it

if the add is immune while that means u could get more shooting stars procs

thats free astral power

[foggy dune]

is this always, or just for aoe?

[digital berry]

i do think once people start reclearing OAB is just gonna be a full st fight for us

[crimson helm]

*if the add takes Dmg longer than 6sec more likely.
Anyway, I rest my case. The og poster got enough input I believe.

[digital berry]

even less relevant in st