#balance

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crude portal
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Doing a weekly 10 with my ret friend is like: Guess ill just skip dotting up packs 🥲

round field
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Its a 10

jade flume
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Ur a 10

round field
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Fuck you

royal zenith
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out of 100

round field
royal zenith
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Good, I don't crave or need attention anyway

round field
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Sure buddy

livid jay
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its funny on hc all bombs get pixel stacked if u do it

scenic mist
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It does

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Drop the vortex on the tech when he has like 10-5% hp left
I vortexed 1st and 3rd tech in prog

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It is nice to add regularity

scarlet tapir
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Choco minto

tawdry oak
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has the bloorwarper skip in floodgate been fixed

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where you just stand on edge and try do the stockpile without aggro

weary berry
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my hestitancy with the dagger is that it's not haste/mastery and idk if the extra "3" ilvls of int make up for it

slim iris
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Idk

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What are u using dinars on

dense steeple
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Idk man, I've never played with details settings like that. That's default on my pc.

lucid olive
scarlet tapir
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And i just tell my vault to spawn what i need and he does

slim iris
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Nice

scarlet tapir
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Grow up

hollow mist
weary berry
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for keys - should i just follow the highest simming embellishments in that sim

lucid olive
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you could also just recraft back to 2x duskthread later down the line if you get a 684 offhand to go with the weapon

ivory sedge
lucid olive
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i dont think priory works right though unless the MDT sim guy fixed it

lucid olive
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get the mdt sim weakaura then make any route in mdt

ivory sedge
lucid olive
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what

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if you want BL at different times you can change stuff around in the export code, but to accomodate it you would probably also have to change stuff in the APL to make the sim hold your cooldowns for the lust

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but at that point youre probably cooking too much

weary berry
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without access to mythic raid is it smart to craft 681 chest

lucid olive
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depends how many myth track m+ vaults youre gonna get

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getting a chest from m+ vault to catalyze into tier is not that rare

weary berry
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isn't tier chest suboptimal anw

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or is the extra 3 ilvl worth the shit stats

lucid olive
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high crit low mast aren't bad stats

weary berry
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*worse

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stats

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i suppose

lucid olive
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idk if you're swapping out a tier piece for something else i would go for hands over chest

weary berry
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mjm

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mm

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ill hold off until next week to craft anything

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and see when im gna start pushing and need bis as of that week

tribal phoenix
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hey is this sim a good indicator for best stats for Mythic + even though its patchwork 1 boss? I've been told to only sim that and I'm not sure how to evalute sims for M+

lucid olive
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sure yeah

tribal phoenix
# lucid olive sure yeah

so essentially patchwork 1 boss latest sim will pretty much be equivalent stats for AoE in Mythic+?

lucid olive
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aoe will probably favor haste a little more

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but not killing packs fast enough isnt what is gonna hold you back in m+ anyway

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its spending too long on the boss

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or not having enough priority damage on the big mob that has uninterruptible cast

tribal phoenix
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got it. thank you - so pretty much favoring mastery or haste won't matter in the grand scheme of things as long as we're killing the things fast enough and interrupting 😂

scarlet tapir
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forgot that

hollow mist
delicate pawn
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question, in higher keys when I am pre dotting moonfires this usually takes a while.. do I send a fury of elune whilst dotting?

lucid olive
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no

delicate pawn
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so all my globals should go towards moonfiring stuff up / 1x sunfire if possible (not more) and then fury into incarn usual rotation

lucid olive
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yes

delicate pawn
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I feel like I have alot of inconsistency in my big aoe pull bursts..

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don't know if this is common or not

lucid olive
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dot earlier and quicker

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first 10 seconds of a pull is playing nameplate whack-a-mole with moonfire

delicate pawn
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like sometimes I touch 25m on first pull meadery sometimes 15-20m I guess that is mushroom procs

shut panther
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probably running too low of keys, low keys classes like ret will blow up adds before dots have value

delicate pawn
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I run 17s atm

weary berry
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what's the socket

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i mean

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gem

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recommendation

lucid olive
weary berry
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do we take one mainstat and a variety of different gems

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fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk me

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ok

scarlet tapir
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i mean

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just sim on top gear

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with every gem that has mastery

shut panther
delicate pawn
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but would mushroom procs create a lot of varience in burst? or is that not really a big factor. surely that cannot be a difference of 5-10m burst. surely that is my lack of skill

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ye I know.

scarlet tapir
delicate pawn
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yes I did.

frozen sedge
scarlet tapir
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then surely u can guess what makes ur dps variable

delicate pawn
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meh.. fair enough. I just need to practice more on aoe I guess ngl im a FOTM reroller.. wasn't getting invited on ele on 16s so what you gonna do.

lucid olive
delicate pawn
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I guess I need to learn how to actually play now

scarlet tapir
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@weary berry

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i usualy sim like this

lyric kettle
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Hey @scarlet tapir is boomkin good

scarlet tapir
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but if ur capped on iterations

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just do less

weary berry
scarlet tapir
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but not as good as spriest now

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@lyric kettle recently saw u were on honestly! big congratz

delicate pawn
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ngl love boomkin. feels nice to play nice groove to the rotation. but ye a bit inconsistent myself still on aoe performance.

lyric kettle
frozen sedge
delicate pawn
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yeeep i really enjoy it. though I still love ele a lot haha

jade flume
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Ye i liked ele when i played it a bit before

delicate pawn
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so the mushroom spawned from our tierset is that a giga small explosion range? as in would I wait for a tank to pixel stack mobs or is a slight spread acceptable?

frozen sedge
tawdry oak
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how to sim for M+ or is it a waste of time

lucid olive
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just go mast haste

lucid olive
tawdry oak
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whats mdt sim

lucid olive
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but also a waste of time cause just log in and play the game

tawdry oak
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true

lucid olive
tawdry oak
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that looks like way too much effort

mighty mica
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then dont do it

tawdry oak
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I shan't

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I shall play the game as gamz has instructed

jade flume
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Correct choice

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Sims arent real anyways

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Just play better

scarlet tapir
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but with one extra copy paste

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just a few more clicks

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xdd

pallid bay
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be quiet twist

scarlet tapir
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sorry dad

jade flume
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Dont let a white namer talk to u like that twist

tawdry oak
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keep getting this trying to do the mdt sim

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any ideas?

lucid olive
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yeah use another route than Priory

tawdry oak
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😄

lucid olive
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theres some wrong syntax when the weakaura exports a Priory route

tawdry oak
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kk, was going through the strings, wasnt sure if there was weird concatonation or something that needed to be fixed

iron chasm
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Beledar's light protects it

sacred rock
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hello can anyone explain "control of the dreatm " talent in balance? i cant understand what`s that mean

iron chasm
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Celestial Alignment/Incarnation and Convoke are the same. 2 minutes to up to 1:45

livid jay
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with ca/incarn only banking up once u are on 2 charges

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if youre playing the talent that gives two charges

delicate perch
teal sphinx
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hate to see it

slim iris
bronze tartan
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BLEH what kind of talents are good to solo visions? I can't do 3 masks as balance :(:( using standard M+ spec atm

slim iris
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Prob delve talents (?)

iron chasm
teal sphinx
iron chasm
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missin out man

teal sphinx
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i worked nights for 7 years, all i used to do was OCE keys

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i dont miss it

delicate perch
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bozo

teal sphinx
slim iris
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I love oce keys

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Some good men

bronze tartan
slim iris
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Ye I’m sure

bronze tartan
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I guess it is easier in a group and/or with more weeks of talent progress

shut pewter
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what embelishment do we use on crafted wrist/belt

manic monolith
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anyone know how many half sparks we should have right now?

viral veldt
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any1 here customized luxtho's WA? I just wanna move around some icons from the core part by dragging them instead of moving 1mm each time with the arrows

orchid ember
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As long as you don't have long night mask on they're pretty chill

lofty depot
hollow parcel
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Anyone willing to take a look at some of my raid logs and tell me what I can change to better DPS? Did a really good (for me) pull on H Mug’zee last night, and still did 400k less DPS than Raidbots sims as my potential… Not sure, in particular, if my CA/FoN/Convoke/TempPot order of usage is optimal.

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/KndYwxCmTP12pDby/1-Heroic+Mug'Zee,+Heads+of+Security+-+Kill+(5:38)/Galadria/standard/statistics

lofty depot
hollow parcel
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Ah, I didn’t realize the sim was based on a set time.

bronze tartan
# orchid ember I didn't find masks runs to be that bad

idk it was pretty tight with 3 masks. im afraid to try 4. I realized I didnt do underpin yet, I just tryied underpin ?? a bunch of times but failed all the time, now trying as guardian and its terrible, i just cant defeat it, keep dying even tho im sure i overgear it, i must just uninstall and play tetris or patience

tardy vortex
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Save CDs for shield phases

hollow parcel
lofty depot
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See how ur spending a surge at the end of ur eclipse, and then at the start youre cancelling a wrath

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U should likely be spamming wrath into the end of eclipse, reentering eclipse and pressing surge 2-3 times

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Ur instead canceling casts

scarlet tapir
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has anyone farmed the thingies for thunderfury?

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do i need 2 on same char or can be diff

lofty depot
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This trees should be after entering solar, u sent a surge outside of eclipse, and u redotted when trees were up which they do

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There's a lot of downtime and I haven't seen u once cast wildcharge

hollow parcel
# lofty depot U should likely be spamming wrath into the end of eclipse, reentering eclipse a...

I think I got into the habit of dumping my astral power quickly because in my last logs I found I was wasting some. I wasted virtually none on this kill, which I’m super pleased about, but maybe I need to balance back a bit to saving some at the end of an eclipse if I’m not going to overcap by reentering eclipse. Thanks!

Also, it IS optimal to start casting the first Starfire for entering your next eclipse, at the very end of an eclipse, right? Rather than waiting to start casting it once the eclipse has ended? Pretty much I read that somewhere, but want to confirm.

lofty depot
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Wasted none, but have none for movemwnt

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Yes it's optimal to cast Starfire at the end of ur eclipse before it ends

hollow parcel
lofty depot
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That's the human wildcharge

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Which has some use cases, but the moonkin wildcharge is a disenegage

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And idk why ur running around dodging. But if there's any large movements u need to make, u should be using it

hollow parcel
elder remnant
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they fixed the crafted ring tech?

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wowza

viral veldt
elder remnant
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no

mighty lance
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Hey gang, new here. I got this msg on raidbots, said to come here. However, I don't see any pinned messages in regard to best simming practices or fight styles. Can someone please advise? Thanks.

mighty mica
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it's in the compendium which is in the pins

slim iris
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You should only be doing 1t 5min patchwerk sims, especially if you’re new to raidbots

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So don’t do like the high movement or dungeon slice sims

mighty lance
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Thanks for the replies—much appreciated. I’m new to this Discord, but not new to simming. Do you have any stats to back that up? Like pros and cons, or accuracy comparisons between 1-target 5-minute patchwerk sims and dungeon slice? Would be helpful to see the differences in percent format.

slim iris
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Dungeon slice is unsupported so it’s just bad to use

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Nobody works on it

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There are mdt sims but i dont think those or aoe sims give valuable insights for gear choices 🤷‍♂️ they’re probably fine for talent choices

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If you take raiding serious at all you just sim st and call it a day

mighty lance
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Awh, I don't raid, ppl waste too much time. I only do mythic+ keys.

elder remnant
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Learn to MDT sim then

slim iris
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My 0 evidence feelyC is mdt sim = silly

lucid olive
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full efficiency

lofty depot
slim iris
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🫣

lucid olive
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queue up full blast time key get out

lofty depot
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Oops deplete

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Go sit in 30 min queue again

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No time wasted

slim iris
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Single target is a big part of m+ and is the most reliable way to sim

lucid olive
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idk i depleted 15 priory, found a new group and timed 14 priory after, think i collectively spent 1 minute in LFG

slim iris
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It’s also the laziest way

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Can’t go wrong

lofty depot
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Yea, and I said fuck MDT and suddenly everyone be saying that

slim iris
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Def only saying it because I saw you say it

lofty depot
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W

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Since u said that, I'll now tell people sundered firm is worth to play around

slim iris
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Im past that

lofty depot
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OhhhrhuHwkrnes

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Now we're past it

slim iris
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🤔

lofty depot
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Smh

slim iris
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Ye

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Upon further testing I realized it can be annoying to fit 4x dreamstate and all woe charges in a single incarn

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So that’s my new justification

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If you highroll cosmo or mushrooms you actually might not be able to do all that so

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I try to cycle and if I forget oh well

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I’m doing 12s

rocky crag
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i wanna just casually do keys sometimes as balance but rn im running eye of kezan bcuz i play the cat and have like no balance trinkets, what trinket should I farm for to run with HoC?

slim iris
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J u g

rocky crag
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my dmg sucks as the owl LOL

lofty depot
rocky crag
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ok yeah i aint ever getting the jug unless if i save up the cartel chips

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i barely play the owl LOL

slim iris
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You can get the candle thing then

rocky crag
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is there anything i can get from keys that works ok

slim iris
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Put it on wax like juicy j

rocky crag
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is that from dfc?

slim iris
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Ye

lofty depot
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Entropic of w.e. good too

slim iris
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Free movement global

lucid olive
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crutch

slim iris
rocky crag
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i find my damage sucks and im betting its probably eye of kezan since even tho i mainly play the cat theres not really more i can do as a chicken

slim iris
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I think if your damage sucks it’s not due to that

rocky crag
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like this is FG its so mid

lucid olive
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theres probably more reasons than your trinkets

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without sounding rude

slim iris
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That seems fine (?)

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You are doing over 4m overall

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Surely you have an idea of how to play

lofty depot
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That ain't shit when he playing poorly or doing 2s when 670 ilvl people

rocky crag
wild dune
lofty depot
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It was hyperbole

rocky crag
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oh

slim iris
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Hard to tell just by details

wild dune
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So u usually play cat

rocky crag
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yeah

wild dune
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aka ur learning ranged dps

rocky crag
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i do a lot better as my cat LOL

wild dune
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and abc

lofty depot
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Well yea but cat is easy

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Boomkin hard

wild dune
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Ur DMG sucks cuz your learning a new archetype, shrimple

rocky crag
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yea fair enough it just doesnt seem there can be a lot more i can do, most of aoe is just spamming starfall

wild dune
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get those reps in

rocky crag
wild dune
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Log ur runs

slim iris
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If you don’t have anything uber specific that you think you are doing wrong, the only thing I can say is that the most common thing I see is cancelled casts/bad movement being the reason for lower damage

slim iris
wild dune
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It's always that or casting dots in incarn

lofty depot
rocky crag
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boomkin feels a lot easier to me and i kinda prefer to just play it when im half asleep late at night and wanna chill

slim iris
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Dotting during incarn is bad

lofty depot
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The hard part is learning to abc

slim iris
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Balance is way easier than feral lol

lofty depot
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Cuz feral has downtime

zealous dome
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what should i buy first with my cartel chips, every site has a different order. Im gearing atm (632 ilvl) and plan on mostly doing M+

lucid olive
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i bet arctic would get smoked if he tried to pick up cat

lofty depot
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I picked up cat, got smoked

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Still got hof

lucid olive
lucid olive
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that spec has changed

slim iris
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Gj artic

lofty depot
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I hadn't played mage in 10 years and rank 45'd in a week

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Don't fucking test me bitch

zealous dome
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so its not worth spending cartel chips if i dont have all +12's cleared?

slim iris
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Big fan

rocky crag
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id say balance is comparable to ret paladin in difficulty i cant even lie

lucid olive
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can buy a heroic moxie jug probably

lofty depot
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Using chips on heroic items is troll

lucid olive
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or a jastor

rocky crag
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i was doing average damage at it within a few hrs

lucid olive
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but yeah id wait for all +12s

rocky crag
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i just gotta become better at playing ranged but it isnt hard in the slightest

lucid olive
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and then use it on whatever item would be biggest upgrade

lofty depot
slim iris
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Keep killin it

rocky crag
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i just compare it to my cat but i also have been playing cat nonstop at this point for months and consider myself to be better than average at the cat but a very average boomie lol

lucid olive
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no use to plan ahead when youre 630 ilvl really

soft oxide
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is there much difference between a hc house and a mythic priory, im kind of tempted to just buy hc house cus i dont really think il play much past 3k io

zealous dome
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fair ye

lofty depot
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I wanna say a mean thing about ferals

lofty depot
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But crazy gonna come in here and dunk on me

rocky crag
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ferals play the harder druid spec its just fact 😭

slim iris
rocky crag
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especially in raid

lofty depot
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But no not really

rocky crag
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in m+ its a tad easier but honestly i had to play it for a week before i started to really pick it up, boomie was a few hrs

lofty depot
slim iris
rocky crag
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i think half of druids in general are furries

slim iris
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This is just piss easy

rocky crag
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yea feral is a bit easier than sin rogue i think ? idk i played sin rogue last season and it just feels at least a tad easier in keys

lofty depot
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Boomkin is the half of non furries

soft oxide
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ur a bit sus if u dont use star form glyph tho

lofty depot
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Which encompasses 75% of said mon furries

charred widget
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anyone else's tier set proccing like crazy lately? mine used to not go off as much but now they do a LOOOOOT

soft oxide
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unless ur 300 pounds and just like kfc

rocky crag
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i just love cute cuddly animals 😭 i'm a pre-vet student irl

lofty depot
lucid olive
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Feral and Moonkin are also very different and going from one to the other you kinda have to rewire your brain

mighty lance
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@elder remnant Hey, I've heard of MDT simming a while back, but never gave it a second look until you mentioned it. It has been leart, thank you!

pallid bay
slim iris
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Stop being elitist oi

pallid bay
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400 guilds got hof man

lofty depot
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Type shit

pallid bay
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participation medal

slim iris
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It’s a big accomplishment

lofty depot
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But I was 1300 world rank andy

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Me lose 1k ranks

slim iris
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Blood sweat tiers

rocky crag
dense steeple
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Buttsweat tiers

lofty depot
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But nonetheless

rocky crag
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ohhhh

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i was gonna say

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yeah we're mid in terms of damage rn when looking at statistics but in the average guild youre going to sit somewhere in the middle for most fights

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if everybody plays perfectly

lofty depot
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Me mage now

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Pewpewpew

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Actual mechanics bitch

lucid olive
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wtf is this new discord feature

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press shift+ctrl+alt+w

lofty depot
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/Me on mobile

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Where's alt

lofty depot
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Wow rae so insightful

lofty depot
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Which is crazy cuz it's 5 am go to sleep dork

lucid olive
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i wanna go sleep but its 7pm zzz

sudden flame
slim iris
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Doesn’t mean you can’t do well on it

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At this point in the season

modern cradle
lofty depot
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Nice central timezone

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She's in tomorrow land

lucid olive
modern cradle
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its the only time zone that exists /s

lofty depot
lucid olive
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I think the thing people struggle with when swapping between the specs is the movement parts of moonkin and keeping uptime, and the "i have to stand here like an idiot for 3 seconds to wait for resource" part of feral

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rotationally i don't think either one of them is more difficult than the other

elder remnant
lofty depot
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What the

elder remnant
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Go teach your 100th person how to do their opener

lofty depot
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Gonna go log review ur blue parsers one aec

lucid olive
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but also don't forget that in amirdrassil every moonkin player went feral and gapped every feral player

elder remnant
elder remnant
drifting nova
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colourblind unlucky

lofty depot
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Did u log review ur opener

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Probably big dam gain

elder remnant
lofty depot
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Big

drifting nova
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woah dont post my logs

elder remnant
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No blue glorp

drifting nova
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wait isnt the tier over?

lucid olive
lofty depot
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One of those is almost blue

lucid olive
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log on

drifting nova
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I shall not

elder remnant
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I’ve only just started raiding again

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Had a lil break

lofty depot
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Wait til she sees my green mugz kill

modern cradle
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boomkin is kinda brain dead, at least in m+. am I in lunar eclipse, no? wrath wrath, am I in lunar eclipse, yea? starfire starfire, oh look my bar is filling up. is it ST, starsurge, is it aoe, starfall. Big pack? press incarn

elder remnant
sudden flame
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thoughts on mine?

drifting nova
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retail can do one

elder remnant
drifting nova
lofty depot
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1 kill and doesn't even count for allstars

sudden flame
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ty

lofty depot
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Tragic really

elder remnant
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Would save so many paragraphs

drifting nova
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I still dont know on a scale how hard chicken even is

elder remnant
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For you or for us?

drifting nova
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yes

elder remnant
lucid olive
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kekkers chicken is hard (to watch)

drifting nova
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woah I got an orange once

modern cradle
elder remnant
drifting nova
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but steel is heavier than feathers

wet thunder
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yo, is dog trick on mechagon fixed ?

elder remnant
lofty depot
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Idk go try it and tell me

drifting nova
elder remnant
drifting nova
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EC gaming til I die

elder remnant
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What do you mean by that

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Actually I don’t want to know

drifting nova
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EC is cooler

wet thunder
drifting nova
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and not very good for parses

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some* anyway

elder remnant
slim iris
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Sorry kekkers but what do you know about any of this

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You need to LOG in

lofty depot
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Blud doing a 16 worried about dog tricking

elder remnant
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He’s just parroting what he sees us talk about in here

slim iris
elder remnant
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Pretending to be one of us

elder remnant
slim iris
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Just answer the persons question man

wet thunder
lofty depot
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U don't know

wet thunder
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😉

slim iris
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Amen nerqun

elder remnant
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Oh grow up

modern cradle
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i heard there was a boomy trick in workshop to skip the conveyor belt, how do i do

slim iris
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Who is this elitist guy with a role

elder remnant
drifting nova
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dont forget to flap

slim iris
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If you happen to land on the platform below you can jump up on the lil post thing

modern cradle
lofty depot
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Nagurra made a short about it

elder remnant
lofty depot
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But she was walking during it so don't listen

elder remnant
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Huh

lofty depot
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Huh

modern cradle
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huh

jolly delta
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huh

lofty depot
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Rae on mobile not at desk

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Go to sleep rat

elder remnant
#

I would if someone wasn’t playing TFT rn

lofty depot
#

Gonna at that someone

elder remnant
lofty depot
#

Why is ur monitor from 2000 and late

elder remnant
#

Do we think he’s losing?

drifting nova
#

disgusting tft

lofty depot
#

Yea he losing

drifting nova
#

🙈

elder remnant
#

Bro it was my 3rd monitor leave me alone

lofty depot
#

I can see the frames

elder remnant
#

Does this help?

#

Idk how TFT works

lofty depot
#

Those are the other players

#

Left is his troop buffs

#

Could tell regardless

#

He gone lose tho

elder remnant
#

Yeah he came 2nd

#

Loser @lime badge

eager raft
lofty depot
#

So true

#

Grr

lime badge
#

It was a close 2nd

lofty depot
#

Are we playing marvel TFT or

#

Marvel chess?

#

Idk what they call it

elder remnant
#

Huh

lucid olive
#

yeah marvel rivals is making an auto battler

zealous dome
#

is there a crafting priority i should follow? so far i've only crafted my weapon

elder remnant
lofty depot
#

U have like 5 sparks u can pick a lot of items

zealous dome
#

k ty

elder remnant
lofty depot
mighty mica
#

memorial

lofty depot
#

Day of Pool opening

#

Fathers day weekend

drifting nova
#

bank holiday

scarlet tapir
#

@bold heart i was on a mission to hatewatch the downfall... now i cant cause of u and arxes

lofty depot
#

Pings him in discord and not on his stream, smh

fossil shard
#

wild activity

slim iris
#

It’s twist

scarlet tapir
#

how can i hate watch echo now bro

foggy tangle
#

So I'm looking around at the top boomies on rio, some of them are using crafted ring over circlet, but for me crafted ring is simming as downgrade over circlet, shuold I just trust the sim here or is there any specific reason some have swapped to crafted ring?

#

(I have jastors just like all of them aswell)

lofty depot
#
  1. Did u read the pin
  2. Jastors + motherlode ring sometimes beats it
  3. The sim is close enough for them not to care about 20k DPS and want the stam
modern cradle
#

From dwilkz video he made it seem like it’s not about the sim, but more so that haste is more important in M+

scarlet tapir
#

whats a flip

#

what the flip

noble spindle
#

twist thinks hes that guy

#

anyone remember when he said hes going to ascend back in dragonflight s1

scarlet tapir
#

real

#

even went to another class while i wait

dense steeple
#

Bro who the fuck

quiet drift
lofty depot
noble spindle
lucid olive
#

like 0.3-4

lofty depot
#

20k isn't margin of error

#

That's big dam

craggy sonnet
#

compared to patchwerk or whatever

lucid olive
#

funny stats probably

#

some more balanced haste and mastery

craggy sonnet
#

but it is only ML ring? so a haste thing

lucid olive
#

don't think it matters what ring it is no

#

just know circlet is losing in some MDT sims so its probably worth in general to choose other alternatives if you have them at 684/681

craggy sonnet
#

i have the top mast crit ring in vault

#

couldnt get it to be within margin outside of mdt simming

#

in combination with h jastor

#

or rather, i didnt do any mdt sims

young shuttle
#

hi owl friends 🙂 what happend with the Mug's Moxie Jug and Carved Blazikon Wax? the last time i watched MMJ not better than CBW 😮

#

Did I miss some hotfix?

drifting nova
mighty mica
#

why wouldn't it

drifting nova
junior stirrup
#

how did our mage who was in the farthest jail get assigned the rocket soak here in mugzee last phase?

#

i thought it had to be people without debuff close to the boss

pallid bay
#

??

noble spindle
#

If you don't have debuff

lucid olive
noble spindle
#

You're eligible target

#

No matter where you are

junior stirrup
#

ah

#

fk

noble spindle
#

And

#

Mage has alter time

#

Why is he in there still

#

That's skill issue

junior stirrup
#

i dont quite know how to assign these last cages in that case, my thinking was putting most of the immunities in the 2 closest cages or outside

noble spindle
#

No mages are in far cage

junior stirrup
#

we are phasing pretty early now so debuff isnt cleared on raid

noble spindle
#

Cause they can get out

#

The whole point of them taking first immune soak

#

Is so they can be targets for this 3rd set

#

They get in their cage alter out

#

And then they can place soak

#

Right in the middle

junior stirrup
#

so should the plan be to only have 5 or 6 immunes taking first and p2 soak? i was worried if we lose people before that point how do we deal with it then

#

kinda thing

noble spindle
#

?

lofty depot
#

Other strat is to have mages in the 2nd jail, which can reach the other 2

noble spindle
#

Everyone can be in the soak

junior stirrup
#

i have set it up like this

#

but it may be wrong

noble spindle
#

U put everyone that's not able to escape their cage in soak 2

#

And all immune in soak 1

junior stirrup
#

i didnt think of it like that

noble spindle
#

U need to think of the reason why the soaks are like that

#

It's so that the situation where someone in cage gets a soak and can't put it in right place

junior stirrup
#

see i understood that in the original strat pushing boss at 4;00, the soaks can spawn on any player without debuff but then they all fall off before the soak actually happens. so the entire raid can soak

noble spindle
#

Doesn't happen

junior stirrup
#

but we are not phasing early

#

so i got confused

solemn lantern
#

haste / mastery for missive right

junior stirrup
#

if that makes sense

lucid olive
#

you should also check out the raidleader exchange discord, there's a lot of useful information there and a good place to ask questions if you're confused

noble spindle
#

R u lusting on pull

lucid olive
noble spindle
#

If u wanna do early push strat u need to lust pull

solemn lantern
#

its not a given anymore?

lofty depot
#

No

junior stirrup
#

no we arent lusting on pull just naturally about 3;30 now with dmg

lucid olive
#

or you can stick haste/mastery anyway and then make up for the stat changes in other items

fossil shard
#

for example

junior stirrup
junior stirrup
#

thank you 😄

#

v confusing with the strat changes coming mid prog of the end bosses

noble spindle
#

It's cause people have more gear + corruption enchant

#

So more damage

#

And also bosses are getting nerfed

lofty depot
#

Just hold >

noble spindle
#

I DONT

lofty depot
#

And make all the dps cry

noble spindle
#

WANT TO HOLD DAMAGE

junior stirrup
#

yeah i mean we had that 4% wipe when we were phasing at 3:30, but it was yolo in last phase and isnt consistent that way imo, i dont think we would enjoy holding for so long

#

just completely fkd my planning with assignments

lofty depot
#

I mean it's not really yolo

#

U just walk backwards as bombs spawn

#

And kill it from like 10%

junior stirrup
#

im referring to the group soak in p2

#

as yolo

noble spindle
#

Whoever is not in that soak will get soak 3 so

#

Oh you mean soak 3

junior stirrup
#

yeah sorry last phase

#

i read in the raid leader discortd that i should assign the immunities to either be outside, or all in the same cage mostly so that we can easily cover the soak

#

we should always have at least 5++

#

my understanding was that it can be baited only close to the boss, but that probably refers to the old strat where the boss timer is much longer

#

either way appreciate the help and hopefully we can kill it on monday 🙂

noble spindle
#

Good luck!

junior stirrup
#

Thank you 🙂

minor cipher
#

@tawdry urchin vc now

meager storm
#

sus paper alt

lucid olive
#

hytes made such an impact that even sprouts know it

scarlet tapir
lucid olive
#

smh iqnious isn't in the know

fossil shard
#

yah this hytes name came up before

#

also unaware

#

turtle 2.0?

lucid olive
#

no hytes didnt get banned

#

he is unbannable

fossil shard
#

his trolling was mid tbh

lucid olive
#

its the legacy he left behind

#

4/10 troll that went nuts for a few days and then fucked off for months

#

made everyone go on VC

rocky crag
#

Time to do more keys

#

Waiting sim

#

See if I can get these last 3 done today

#

Then I can do 17s

valid ruin
#

cancel star lord

round field
#

Cancel dn

dense lake
#

Balance aoe is mostly sustained, right?

lucid olive
#

yes

dense lake
#

Thanks for confirming

#

Honestly, i haven't really touched balance much after they removed pulsar

lucid olive
#

with keeper of the grove its more bursty than EC but worse at lower target counts since Dream Burst is capped

#

EC is very sustained though once you've put up all your dots and FoE

dense lake
#

I see. What about incarnation? It felt very disappointing to me

#

They basically kept the same damage as it did with pulsar and everything, but it's 20 seconds instead of 30, or at least that's how it felt

#

I was not impressed

#

Honestly, if there is one thing i really hated about the soft rework was the removal of pulsar

#

Just not good

lofty depot
fallen plover
#

So, i seem to find contradicting sources about when to focus on starsurge and starfall. Some guides say 2 targets starfall and some say only for 3. Can any1 give advice? 🙂

craggy sonnet
#

depends on the build

#

i think its written out in the dreamgrove compendium guide

exotic perch
#

ye should be

#

like in m+ build its always 2 is starfall

#

i think with st talents its 3 you starfall

craggy sonnet
#

ye

round field
#

13 sec limp dick cd

drifting nova
fossil shard
#

it's a genetic disorder with your brain

dense steeple
exotic perch
#

look at rewt in resto easily one of the best ive ever seen

dense lake
#

Most trolls just say stupid shit, that's low effort trolling

#

High effort trolling is much more difficult to pull off

minor cipher
#

some low T shit

mighty mica
#

hmmm

weak rain
#

hi, what kind of dps % increase are we talking about when it comes to "perfectly" playing starlord as elunes chosen? i mean most of the time u will sit on 3 stacks pretty quickly but there is obviously some room to improve and have better uptime on 3 stacked lord. but how much of a difference is it? mor like 0,5% or like 3-4%? ^^

lofty depot
#

closer to 0.5%

weak rain
#

xD ok ty guys, i mean i do track it and will check on it eventually , mostly in ST tbh, but im glad its not that big of a difference 😄

lofty depot
#

but its not really about the % increase as it is, the possibility of not being able to cast starfire fast

#

starfire cast slow is not poggers

weak rain
#

yeah sure but when i checked a 3 stacks starlord made my starfire only 0.1s faster tho

lofty depot
#

0.3-0.4s each cast

#

times 300

weak rain
#

yeah if i saw that numbers i probably wouldnt have asked 😄 i do have 20k haste atm if that matters

lofty depot
#

that do be a lot

heavy dove
#

do you have to maintain staying in combat 100% while doing keys for Eye of Kazan to be worth using?

delicate perch
#

There’s probably some funny math about how many stacks you can drop before it becomes worse than other options

#

Dungeons that have a lot of waiting rp/travel time do not sound poggers for it though

junior arch
#

How do I sim all the uncorrupted peices?

digital berry
#

what

dense steeple
#

in the sim

jovial hare
#

do we send some starfalls before vexie burn phase?

#

or is it just keep capped for full surge send

#

i see some people doing the starfalls

craggy sonnet
#

before the burn?

#

maybe they were starfalling the last bikers?

jovial hare
#

idk

#

i just sent whatever

#

i did fine

#

like 3.2m

#

it was a 80 or 90 or somethin g

craggy sonnet
#

i dont think you wanna starfall the adds during the burn

#

if that was the question

jovial hare
#

do we consider a 90 good

#

😦

#

im missing 3% of the raid buff

#

rip

crisp badger
#

does anyone here know how to track well-honed instincts cd on WA? can't seem to get it to work somehow, thinking maybe there's some secret spell id im missing

loud kettle
#

No debuff its ready

#

cd is remaining time on debuff

crisp badger
#

yeah i can get it to show when its on cd but for some reason can't get it to show when its off

#

figured this is it, but for some reason it just disappears when its off cd

loud kettle
#

if trigger 1 is false, that sets the weakaura icon to the spell of trigger 1

crisp badger
#

oh, i think i figured it out, it has t o be a separate trigger

#

yeah that's correct, that's what i want

loud kettle
#

yea thats all that does

crisp badger
#

but trigger one was set on auras found, but i needed auras missing

#

though i should still be able to make it false, and it should show, but idk

#

as long as it works now i guess

ornate inlet
#

On Rik is it even worth hitting starfall

#

feel like they dont live long enuff

solemn lantern
#

wow our spec is braindead now

#

kinda lame

deft pumice
#

Longer range ret pally

rocky crag
# jovial hare im missing 3% of the raid buff

I play feral but I wanted to chime in because I had 2 weeks where my raid buff completely dropped off and I didn’t realize, I was getting blue parses and thought sm was wrong with me

#

LMAO

jovial hare
#

oh

#

man i just realized i was missing 3% and dh buff

#

feels bad

#

got 84 on cauldron

#

decent day overall

rocky crag
#

Yeah but I was missing the full 9%

jovial hare
#

ooof

#

whats dh debuff

#

like 3%

rocky crag
#

For weeks

jovial hare
#

so i was mssing 6

#

😦

rocky crag
#

I thought I regressed in skill

lofty depot
digital berry
#

Which means we will be even worse in the rankings since we won’t be able to pad

lofty depot
#

which is why i said if

digital berry
#

Im just dooming

noble spindle
#

theres always going to be adds spawning in narnia

steel nymph
#

is it worth trying to run double on use trinkets this season? I have a myth priory and just got a hero house of cards out of my m+ box

round field
#

Probably not

#

Unless you have nothing better

steel nymph
#

thats what i figured. Feels bad to get the trinket finally but its not worth using

golden belfry
#

I'd still use it over priory

steel nymph
#

hero cards over mythic priory? I haven't run a sim yet but i feel like the int loss would be pretty significant

golden belfry
#

Yep

round field
#

just play whichever sims higher

#

shrimple

quiet grove
#

Whats the first thing i should buy with cartel chips

craggy sonnet
#

<@&114146878353833984>

round field
#

free money

scarlet tapir
#

love me some free money

cloud plover
#

@final sable

wraith yew
#

yo exactly how much weaker is orbital strike

#

for keys]

#

got priory so was considering it

cloud plover
#

what does priory have to do with talent bad

lucid olive
#

orbital strike is a little fun in mass aoe but you just have less flexible cooldowns and less uptime than whirling stars and it doesn't do a lot of damage to make up for it

bright folio
#

Do we still run EC on Theatre of Pain or is KOTG better there?

lucid olive
#

EC yes

warped fog
#

Hello

Which Head enchant should i pick for m+? and how big of an upgrade it is

lucid olive
#

pins

bright folio
digital berry
nova prawn
#

in terms of defensives is all we have seriously just barkskin and renewal?

craggy sonnet
#

And bear form

rough hearth
#

And when things really go bad, spam regrowth on self

pseudo merlin
#

why is gamz green

lucid olive
#

idk..

pseudo merlin
#

I miss white gamz

lofty depot
#

cuz hes willing

pseudo merlin
#

arctic should be green

lofty depot
#

no

pseudo merlin
mighty mica
#

no

pseudo merlin
#

Why is Thyme always hating

lucid olive
#

part of his job

lofty depot
#

thyme is my defender

mighty mica
#

shut the fuck up

lofty depot
#

he defends me from bad decisions

pseudo merlin
#

Thyme I'm moving to Italy

#

Thoughts?

mighty mica
#

my condolences

pseudo merlin
#

?????

#

you dont like italy?

foggy bison
#

Someone have knowledge about Warcraft logs and can help me, I have a question ….

lofty depot
#

if u ask ur question maybe

mighty mica
# pseudo merlin you dont like italy?

i mean, it's the same reason i don't want to live in my own country atm, it's not a good political climate, sure it can change but currently it's bad

pseudo merlin
#

aah ok

lofty depot
#

me wondering what is thymes own country

pseudo merlin
#

US surely?

lofty depot
#

maybe hes irish

pseudo merlin
#

No way

#

I've never seen him drunk

mighty mica
pseudo merlin
#

ok but...

#

not on the daily.. right... ?=

pallid bay
#

cant be drinking on the job..

hollow mist
pseudo merlin
#

ok but where is he f rom?!?!

lucid olive
#

cali

pseudo merlin
#

I knew it (I didn't know it)

#

13s are wild

#

what the fuck are people doing

lucid olive
#

love pugs

digital berry
mighty mica
#

def some better than others

wild dune
digital berry
#

Yeah Canada thankfully didn’t follow in on their southern neighbors footsteps

wild dune
#

Fought off the conservative R to a near liberal majority

digital berry
#

They saw whatever the fuck the us is doing and decided against it

olive ice
#

can someone craft this [Mark of the Auric Dreamstag] to have the skin? 😦 i give tip

brazen trellis
#

Outside of incarn, is fury of elune before or after 2 wraths? Can't see to figure it out from the guide.

lofty depot
#

after

#

the prio line says foe the global before incarn

#

then goes down and says enter eclipse

#

then foe

brazen trellis
#

thanks!

dry compass
#

Politics in dreamgrove oh dear

dry compass
charred widget
#

so i have this macro when i do keys and i was wondering if there was a way to make it so it casts innervate at my healer, maybe like a @target macro

lucid olive
#

id definitely have a separate macro for that

#

why do you wanna specifically innervate when you're using vigil and your cooldowns

charred widget
#

i mostly just pug and i sometimes forget to use it tbh

lucid olive
#

you can set up a macro to always innervate your healer without targeting them though

charred widget
#

just got my resil 15 yday so id say im new to chimken still

lofty depot
#

its always curious when people put everything before ca

lucid olive
#

/cast [@party1] Innervate /Cast [@party2] Innervate ...

#

just continue to party4

#

also just a tip to add [@cursor] before Celestial Alignment in your macro

charred widget
lucid olive
#

in case you ever talent into Orbital Strike

lofty depot
#

its curious to see peoples prio when thinking about it

#

for some reason u prio'd trinket/racial/nv before ca

lucid olive
#

also just put /use 13 instead of the trinket name

#

it will use the 13th item slot, which is the top trinket slot

#

do /use 14 if you have the trinket equipped in the 2nd slot

#

that way you dont have to swap your macro out next season whenever a new trinket is good

charred widget
#

i love changing macros every time :3

#

plus sometimes having use 13 or 14 messes up the whole thing for some reason?

olive ice
lofty depot
#

what "messes" it up?

charred widget
lucid olive
#

not always no

charred widget
lucid olive
#

its just in the 2nd slot on how you have your frames

#

party5 is you always

#

and Innervate can only be used on a healer

charred widget
#

aaaaaah

lucid olive
#

so you just bind all of them and it uses it on him

lofty depot
#

iiiiiiiiiiiiii, dont really believe that it "doesnt use it"

charred widget
#

it wont break if im in raid right? since its only set to party

lofty depot
#

i assume ur putting it in the wrong slot

#

i always have on use in 14

charred widget
#

i can vouch i have the "know what thingies you pressed" weak aura that tracks it all

#

and it just wont use it sometimes ;-;

lucid olive
#

it could break in raid based on what group youre in i guess

#

but does it really matter

charred widget
#

i think im just gonna make innervate a whole @focus macro so i dont have to move my mouse to press it

#

am a little lazy

#

specially helps for raid

#

does anyone have one?

#

like @focus macro for innervate

lucid olive
#

/cast [@focus] Innervate

#

?

lofty depot
#

its the same as the party one

#

but @focus

charred widget
#

oh-

#

im stupid sorry

rotund gale
#

hey, silly question but I'm getting into retail with some family and friends and our main goal is "casually" doing some mythic dungeons as a group. I was curious what talent tree/build would you all recommend? I see Tettles work on wowhead but I'm from classic and wasn't sure if a raid build = dungeon or are there random tweaks to make etc. if there's a better spot for this question or it pinned somewhere i didn't notice, gladly redirect me 🙂

proud basin
#

any exp zoomkin here who can help me pick out what item to buy for dinars? ^^

lofty depot
#

u can also play either keeper or elunes if u prefer either

rotund gale
lofty depot
#

well m+ builds are for m+

#

and raid builds are for raid

rotund gale
#

sorry, i worded that poorly but I'm tracking what you mean. Especially looking at the 5 builds he has laid out on wowhead, again tyvm!

tired mist
#

hey guys, i got a question. im using the BIS Maze and the priory trinket. When do i use which? Do i use BIS on cd or only with Inkarn?

lucid olive
#

Priory with incarn

#

BiS whenever it makes sense

tired mist
lucid olive
#

yur

tired mist
#

ok thank you 🙂

lucid olive
#

or if you have a charge of Incarn but your trinket is on CD and you will get a charge of Incarn back again before the trinket comes back

dry compass
tired mist
#

ofc but in a senario both are ready i would first use priory and bis out of cds or would i wait atleast for fury?

lucid olive
#

vibe it out

#

probably just send on cd really, or hold it if the pull is about to die

tired mist
#

ok 🙂 tyvm

#

oh i got anotherone. do i only use BIS with a mastery or haste proc or is it more important to keep it on cd?

craggy sonnet
#

what does that mean

#

why is the proc relevant for the on-use

tired mist
#

ahh nvm just found a weakaura that tracks which stat it buffs. thought its like the dragonflight trinket. your right that question doesnt makes sense. ty 😄

digital berry
#

sure hope it always procs mastery otherwise it's a piece of junk item

#

also, it's myth track bis right?

lucid olive
#

or well, gives your highest i mean

tired mist
twilit shard
olive ice
maiden pasture
#

dont dot in CDs, dot before CDs

#

use WoE after dreamstate stacks, not before

lofty depot
#

ur also just not dotting anything as well

#

u likely shouldve dotted all those things then used foe and incarn

#

or not used incarn there and waited til the next foe/pack

rough hearth
#

So even if there are a lot of mobs, and you're spending a bunch of time Dotting, you still take the time to dot them all before CDs?

lofty depot
#

were outside of eclipse here and wasting time

lofty depot
#

read the prio list

#

simple terms yes

#

but please read those 2 things

dry compass
rough hearth
#

I've read all that 😞 It just feels bad because a lot of times, mobs are starting to die already if I'm dotting still

dry compass
#

That's big enough you ALWAYS want to dot before starting to do your real damage

lofty depot
#

the shitter adds u leave alone

#

the bigger adds u dot

#

generally

rough hearth
#

Yeah, I don't bother with nonelites. Maybe I'm in too-low keys with too-good other DPS. Sometimes, even elite mobs die quick in a +12

lofty depot
#

well the "quick" is 6 seconds

#

they live longer than u think in most cases

rough hearth
#

ThumbsUp Thank you!

lofty depot
#

again the prio list tells u what to do

lucid olive
rough hearth
#

That is awesome! I didn't see that on WoWhead or the balance thing that was pinned. I must've missed it. I'll look again

lucid olive
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comes with practice

rough hearth
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PPupNodders I might be too scared to pull aggro while the tank is still gathering the room of mobs

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But I will try starting earlier

lucid olive
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if you get threat on a mob just be calm

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the tank also knows you pulled threat and will try to get it back

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you can also moonfire mobs while youre moving and can kite the mob through the tank

rough hearth
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That's a good point. I've been too reliant on shadowmeld to get me out of trouble. Thank you!

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(Maybe... i also have a tank friend that gets really pissed if I pull aggro while he's gathering mobs...)

rough hearth
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😂

lofty depot
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tell that rat to find some aggro