hmm
#balance
lofty depot
lofty depot
ye
scarlet tapir
Its been so longgg
lofty depot
bicotti back so boomkin rising
quiet drift
👴
digital berry
yeah we just hold all the top spots
Who is we, what kinda sport you playing ?
vital hound
bro thinks he's on the team
verbal basin
every single strat has been pulled from us
verbal basin
Who is we, what kinda sport you playing ?
Are you ok?
Read the conversation before replying.,
vital hound
"us"
verbal basin
We are talking about regions
digital berry
Are you ok?
Oh I’m splendid thanks for asking
verbal basin
I am Chinese
scarlet tapir
yeah we just hold all the top spots
Thats what u get when ur unemployed and play keys for 20 hours a day. Also got check raiderio top timed keys or spec leaderboards and u will see comps. Are all of you chinese this dumb or
No research capabilities
Insane
verbal basin
Thats what u get when ur unemployed and play keys for 20 hours a day. Also got c...
Yeah Americas and EU do not have people playing for 20 hours a day?
el o el
quiet drift
Not pushing live keys no
scarlet tapir
I dont see european guilds and NA guilds have 700 pulls on bosses and rotating players on same accounts to play as much
quiet drift
Ppl who care like that go mdi usually
lofty depot
me checking the last time china won mdi
cerulean summit
Ppl who care like that go mdi usually
most chinese don't like the idea of playing on the tournament realm
seems they don't care a lot about mdi
while that's true, mdi isn't nearly as popular over there as it is in eu or na
quiet drift
Yur
lofty depot
didnt ask
verbal basin
🤡
wild dune
checking the last time china was mentioned for something besides # of suspended accounts 
vital hound
probs ai'in somethin
quiet drift
Ts pmo
lofty depot
i wasnt thinking about that so wrong
quiet drift
Hivemind
cerulean summit
okie
vital hound
i think bro needed to go back to pushing key
probs behind on rent
needs to rmt a bit
scarlet tapir
How hard it is to go to raiderio and check what comps top DHS are using
Bro is NOT top 50
vital hound
hint
scarlet tapir
Or 5000
vital hound
tisnt havoc
cerulean summit
How hard it is to go to raiderio and check what comps top DHS are using
pretty sure he was replying to me, I was the one who asked the question 
vital hound
nah he got pressed
cerulean summit
but i not top 50
vital hound
about twist saying havoc silly
cerulean summit
noice!
scarlet tapir
Im gearing my priest to play spriest and im healing as disc in 12s let me tell you that havoc dh is absolute paper
Amount of times i had to ps him
I imagine in high keys
scarlet tapir
Full babysit
scarlet tapir
Honestly u probably need prot pala for him
lofty depot
u can push 15s with fotm rerollers so u can play any spec
scarlet tapir
So they can perma heal them
vital hound
u can push 15s with fotm rerollers so u can play any spec
ya this
ruby lotus
hi, small question, when I use incapacitating roar, and I fire stellar to return to selenian form, I lose the target afterwards, is this normal?
pallid bay
is this still working 
high matrix
Hey I tried the 1 target 5 minutes but how do you sim m+ properly for boomy?
mental bridge
reading tarisant's yapp was amazing, 10/10, wld argue with #12847563 white name again 
noble spindle
pepela
silver sky
noble spindle
@lyric stag banger tweet
lyric stag
ty
iron chasm
Toxic oce player with swears as discord tag farming twitter smh
vital hound
Toxic oce player with swears as discord tag farming twitter smh
the tag is my CULTURE
hollow mist
Toxic oce player with swears as discord tag farming twitter smh
could be worse..
vital hound
naive siren
this balance discord is by far the least helpful and open minded channel that I am in (well I am only in 7^^), when it comes to answering noob or out of the box questions
forest rivet
Yea theyll do that, gotta get the right crowd
naive siren
plus it reads very unfriendlyly often
delicate perch
this balance discord is by far the least helpful and open minded channel that I am in (well I am only in 7^^), when it comes to answering noob or out of the box questions
@teal sphinx
tawdry geyser
What’s the cd on this toy that keeps you in combat? Is it something we should all be doing?
cloud plover
this balance discord is by far the least helpful and open minded channel that I am in (well I am only in 7^^), when it comes to answering noob or out of the box questions
delicate perch
What’s the cd on this toy that keeps you in combat? Is it something we should al...
round field
this balance discord is by far the least helpful and open minded channel that I ...
Is this a copypasta
noble spindle
now it is
noble spindle
bicotti back but wheres junda
noble spindle
with soda on the side
noble spindle
(hope someone got that reference)
noble spindle
vital hound
this balance discord is by far the least helpful and open minded channel that I ...
this balance discord is by far the least helpful and open minded channel that I am in (well I am only in 7^^), when it comes to answering noob or out of the box questions
tranquil ferry
this balance discord is by far the least helpful and open minded channel that I am in (well I am only in 7^^), when it comes to answering noob or out of the box questions
scarlet tapir
Dk then...
twilit shard
New to druid, do we have a spell that applies dots to more than 1 target automatically or do we need to manually do to all in the pack?
delicate perch
sunfire is an aoe around the target
twin moons adds +1 moonfire
keeper of the grove trees spread some too
but nothing in a large scale no
scarlet tapir
Unfortunetly it has been melee tier
Isnt this tier literally ranged
teal sphinx
this balance discord is by far the least helpful and open minded channel that I ...
this is bait, the user literally never comments in here. Not gonna add
verbal iris
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VvtR4TAQ6yzjZdJG?fight=18&type=damage-done&source=216 https://wowanalyzer.com/report/VvtR4TAQ6yzjZdJG/18/216 Any feedbacks and any tips for improving positioning/not canceling casts
quiet drift
Casting wrong spells is better than canceling
Try to premove
Idk hard to give general advice on abc
Just check vod where u mess up and go from there
round field
Asking how to improve cancel cast scenarios. "Dont cancel"
What else is there
Its a dungeon log
desert imp
can anyone share build to play for OAB Mythic?
brisk tangle
Go to warcraftlogs
Then check for the best boomy parse on mythic oab
Copy their build
craggy sonnet
sure
severe hollow
also true for any instant cats
pliant bear
Can any Weakaura wizards please help me understand why this isn't working?
jolly delta
Can any Weakaura wizards please help me understand why this isn't working?
does it work if you remove the remaining time filter?
surreal epoch
When is the proper time to optimize Best-in-slots? After the initial use with CA bc you have 2 charges. Generally we line every CA up with House of cards after correct?
lucid olive
Can any Weakaura wizards please help me understand why this isn't working?
Change sound channel to master?
lucid olive
When is the proper time to optimize Best-in-slots? After the initial use with CA...
Yeah just use it with Treants and HoC with Convoke
pliant bear
does it work if you remove the remaining time filter?
Nope
pliant bear
Change sound channel to master?
Doesn't work on the master channel either
surreal epoch
@lucid olive It shares an ICD with Trinkets so by time its ready to be used HoCs has faded is why im asking how to optimize
Oh nvm i see what you are saying
and how about dungeons? just line it with FoE ?
lucid olive
Doesn't work on the master channel either
Probably the sound file type or file path then? If it works with default sounds then that's probably why
lucid olive
and how about dungeons? just line it with FoE ?
For keys just use it when you feel you need damage, use Incarn with HoC and then BiS between Incarn uses or with 2nd charge
elder remnant
pliant bear
You need to give the filepath inside retail
would this be a valid path?
_retail_\Interface\weakauras\Starlord-Ending.mp3
pliant bear
Probably the sound file type or file path then? If it works with default sounds ...
It's an mp3 but I'm not sure about file path
surreal epoch
For keys just use it when you feel you need damage, use Incarn with HoC and then...
ok thank you i been yoloing the BIS usage and wasn't sure if there was any specific points to use it when i dont have 2 CA charges
pliant bear
Cut the retail iirc
Yep this was it ty
quiet drift
lofty depot
Should i be worried?
No I believe in u
stone spindle
guys do you think sims for circlet is correct ? it shows circlets way better then 681 crafted ring, even with jastor it shows small upgrade
round field
Yes it sims correct
stone spindle
guess we keep it , especially in single target
mint bone
Do you added sockets? For me a 655 and a 658 ring out sim circlet
stone spindle
Do you added sockets? For me a 655 and a 658 ring out sim circlet
yes i did, in aoe circlet sims low, but in single target it sims better
digital berry
Do you added sockets? For me a 655 and a 658 ring out sim circlet
Surely those numbers are wrong
teal sphinx
Do you added sockets? For me a 655 and a 658 ring out sim circlet
Post a sim
runic onyx
Maybe a circlet with no gems in it 
stone spindle
for my sims, circlet sims better with kotg except jastor , for elune and aoe scenarios circlet being low
teal sphinx
How are you simming aoe
mint bone
Since you all react like thats impossible, i might be wrong somewhere. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mrRHFd83CCFzeX85jfpWur
stone spindle
How are you simming aoe
i mean dungeon slice, or cleave
digital berry
Since you all react like thats impossible, i might be wrong somewhere. https://w...
Bro
teal sphinx
Yea don't ignore the big warning that says dslice doesn't work for boomy
stone spindle
Yea don't ignore the big warning that says dslice doesn't work for boomy
fml where is it says xd
runic onyx
If raidbots deleted dungeonslice the world would be a better place
runic onyx
Since you all react like thats impossible, i might be wrong somewhere. https://w...
Yeah you're simming the wrong spec
teal sphinx
fml where is it says xd
mint bone
Yeah you're simming the wrong spec
That would be one reason, but i think we should not rush to conclusion without exploring the other options
digital berry
That would be one reason, but i think we should not rush to conclusion without e...
Is this a bit ?
teal sphinx
Surely it is
tame dome
Yo. Just trying out balance again for the first time in a while. Guide says that Elune's Chosen is much higher skill cap than Keeper of the Grove - what makes that the case?
digital berry
Yo. Just trying out balance again for the first time in a while. Guide says that...
Wouldn’t say much higher. But it punishes MUCH more if you cancel casts or move without asp
tame dome
sorry what is asp?
digital berry
sorry what is asp?
Astral power
tame dome
is this because the damage is weighted more to Starfire?
digital berry
is this because the damage is weighted more to Starfire?
Because of lunation talent primarily, the more you cast the shorter the fury of elune cooldown is
And also ofc starfire doing a lot of dmg so you want to cast it as many times as possible
tame dome
ok, thank you
I guess the question is then, in m+, how many mistakes can you make before keeper overtakes lunar
tame dome
an important one for someone who hasn't played druid since sepulcher
digital berry
I guess the question is then, in m+, how many mistakes can you make before keepe...
Kotg is better in lower keys since it has more burst, elunes chosen has more set up but more sustained aoe dmg once pulls start living longer
tame dome
Kotg is better in lower keys since it has more burst, elunes chosen has more se...
ok, ty
runic onyx
Lunar isn't too bad to get into the groove of. It's just better though, so better to just power through and get good
sour basin
Kotg then
runic onyx
If you're capping at 10 kotg may be better tbh stuff won't usually live long enough
digital berry
I'd only ever really be interested in going up to +10
10s this season are piss easy
But also you can play either or at that level and be fine
tame dome
splendid
looks like KotG is better in pvp and in raid too so I'll try learning that first
ty for the advice
twilit shard
is there a way to have your buttons the same between all forms (cat, bear, moonkin etc)
digital berry
is there a way to have your buttons the same between all forms (cat, bear, moonk...
You can disable form specific action bars if that’s what you’re asking
twilit shard
Yes that would be amazing, where is that?
digital berry
Pretty sure it’s just in the action bars settings but I’m not sure tbh
twilit shard
cant seem to find it, i use elvui
digital berry
You could just not use action bar 1
pallid bay
Since you all react like thats impossible, i might be wrong somewhere. https://w...
you're using the wrong gems in circlet
round field
Well he did say he might be wrong...
teal sphinx
you're using the wrong gems in circlet
He is also in bear spec
mint bone
He is also in bear spec
no its definitly the gems
plush prairie
Do you think I should craft an item or should I socket? As we are at half a spark this week, I have 6 tokens I could either craft for another 681 or socket an item
digital berry
Do you think I should craft an item or should I socket? As we are at half a spar...
SIM it, sockets are not that much dps tbh tho
plush prairie
Yeah will do after this awakening the machine
just wish I was 680 game hates me for gearing
digital berry
Im barely 680 and im 7/8 mythic
digital berry
Dead on my screen
plush prairie
real
plush prairie
Dead on my screen
Does simming all profession gear count my embellishments too?
plush prairie
Just making sure, found out yesterday that the cartel chips don't sim your embellishments or something so you should use topgear instead
was wondering if same
digital berry
Well if you sim BiS yeah it takes ascension and now you gonna manually add 2 more embellishments
digital berry
Did you use your dinar ?
plush prairie
Not yet
waiting to see if I can kill bandit myth
if I can, wil be buying BiS, recrafting boots and hands
digital berry
True , bis is going to be the best upgrade as of right now
plush prairie
Just hoping I can kill it
got to 3% in like 5 pulls of the day, 7th pull I get subbed out for nearly 2hrs to get subbed back in for 3 attempts
sadge
digital berry
Uh oh , gotta get your dps up so they don’t sub you out
digital berry
Top or bust
digital berry
Idk who that is
plush prairie
another boomie
digital berry
hard wyvern
Yeah it’s most efficient to funnel bis into them since each character has 4 players using the account
digital berry
Yeah it’s most efficient to funnel bis into them since each character has 4 play...
Isn’t that against TOS ?
cloud lion
they are all family kekw
plush prairie
might be different for chinese rules
cloud lion
Im holding dinar for next vault and even maybe full reclear
but doubt raid leader gona give me gear
hard wyvern
Do not look into account sharing and rmt practices for Chinese guilds
cloud lion
i heard they buy boost with all loot for them also
hard wyvern
Dw guys we are just doing our 20th reclear of the week
cloud lion
tbh at least reclears are 1 night not whole week
they make it stupid easy
any suggestion where to look for team to push keys?
digital berry
Surely there’s discord servers
fossil shard
lofty depot
some bangers on twitter aswell
teal sphinx
Im barely 680 and im 7/8 mythic
I have 5 crafted pieces. All the gear went to the evokers
digital berry
I have 5 crafted pieces. All the gear went to the evokers
Yeah but I’m blasting so I get loot
teal sphinx
Yeah but I’m blasting so I get loot
I'm doing good. Nothing crazy. First tier playing melee since like BFA
muted remnant
Is Eye of Kezan on Mythic Stix bait or worth running?
lucid olive
whats the alternative
muted remnant
I have HC House of Cards, Moxie Jug and Eye of Kezan - got HC Signet too but can buy a Mythic one with the Dinar
lucid olive
prob hc hoc and moxie jug
muted remnant
alright
yea I simmed and with an estimated 7min killtimer the sim spewed out hc eye of kezan and the mythic signet, since I simmed it 1 target 5 mins as you suggested before once
but didn't know how eye of kezan behaves in aoe/ST, only got it this week
digital berry
At 7 minutes eye mythic should be better tho no
Aoe/st doesn’t matter since it’s a stat stick
Idk how meaningful the dmg proc actually is
muted remnant
I mean it's a heroic eye, but fair enough, thought half the selling point was the proc being more frequent, not just the stat stick
it does rack up rather quickly at times and you get like 4k intellect one minute in already
harsh kettle
so just started playing balance as my main alt, is elunes chosen the goto m+ build always or is keepers ever the choice?
muted remnant
In s1 ppl usually played keeper of the grove in m+ as well except for world first keys, offers more survivability and ST damage, most dungeons atm favor elunes chosen though
digital berry
so just started playing balance as my main alt, is elunes chosen the goto m+ bui...
Keeper for lower keys and elunes for higher is the general mindset, unless you’re pushing past the 15 mark tho you can play kotg if you really really really don’t like elunes
digital berry
Is Eye of Kezan on Mythic Stix bait or worth running?
Oh I misread that
Also I’m dumb a shit
Mythic eye on stix prog sure makes sense
tired halo
Is Jastor still bugged?
digital berry
haven’t heard anything about it so I’d assumed it’s not bugged
muted remnant
Mythic eye on stix prog sure makes sense
well yea but it's a Heroic Eye, my bad if I've been unclear
lofty depot
I thought it was a bug at the season start at least
was fixed months ago
dire latch
In m+, how often are you guys banking up 2 incarn charges, or are we basicly sending on CD with house of cards?
lofty depot
almost never
u likely arent using incarn on cd but u shouldnt be holding that long
lining up with trinket is good yes
dire latch
alright, then I'm not missing something with incarn. If Fury of Elune is close to coming off cd, like 10 sec, I assume we just chip away at the cd and send before incarn, right?
lofty depot
yes
dire latch
Thanks for the quick help ❤️
unkempt crescent
qq for M+ when you guys swap to bear for defensive purposes, say on swamp face, is it worth mangling / doing any sort of bear attack?
i guess basically all i can do is mangle
proud vortex
how easy is balance to pick up? my guild needs more ranged and i like drood the most but have never played chicken before
lofty depot
i guess basically all i can do is mangle
does like 60k dam is nothing
lofty depot
how easy is balance to pick up? my guild needs more ranged and i like drood the ...
not evoker or bm easy
but easy nonetheless
proud vortex
i have actually thought about evoker and hunter but i dont have any cool mail tmog so i cant force myself xDD
timber isle
Guys - silly question - i am getting dmg (4m+) from Scrapbomb in Cauldron on mythic, even if I stand between Torq and the fence. Is this because I have dotted Flarendo during intermission???
lofty depot
if ur standing too close sure
timber isle
Nah, the bomb is placed on opposite fence, like literally as far away as possible. Can it be people in Flarendo group are not soaking bomb?
heavy dove
what perameters do i set for doing a m+ sim?
scarlet tapir
1t5m
lofty depot
Guys - silly question - i am getting dmg (4m+) from Scrapbomb in Cauldron on myt...
show log
everyone takes damage from each bomb
digital berry
Pretty sure the bomb always does dmg to the whole raid
lofty depot
but u shouldnt be taking 4m from it
actually i lied its like 4m
yeeyeeyeyeye
if its bigger, its because peopel arent soaking it
(i thought it was lower like 2m)
lapis quest
quick question for mythic+, how many targets do you start to starfall on elune build ? 3+ ?
feels like i typically wait for 4-5 targets and maybe a dps loss
lapis quest
🙂
delicate perch
quick question for mythic+, how many targets do you start to starfall on elune b...
https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium probs some useful info here
digital berry
quick question for mythic+, how many targets do you start to starfall on elune b...
2+ it’s a dps gain to fall
scarlet tapir
I have 5 crafted pieces. All the gear went to the evokers
And they're still bad bro. Tell them im cheap for coaching
Also crafted pieces arent that bad tbh
Specially on a fresh char
Just takes too long to get 90 crests
digital berry
Coaching to play dev 
timber isle
Ah... gotcha.. thanks!
livid jay
hooly gamz famous
lapis quest
ok thanks i didnt know cuz its not specified on the rotation on wowhead and icyveins and i'm used to dk saying each spell goes for each count
digital berry
ok thanks i didnt know cuz its not specified on the rotation on wowhead and icyv...
Check the dreamgrove website for actual up to date information
delicate perch
ok thanks i didnt know cuz its not specified on the rotation on wowhead and icyv...
we only have like 2 spells so it's just assumed 
jolly coyote
Heyo,
Is the brewterializer just a full on simbait? I have HOC and Mugjug on hc, but brewterializer on myth track. It sime approz. 1% higher in aoe, which i nearly cant believe is true. Raidbots would switch out HOC for it. What do u guys think?
digital berry
delicate perch
fiery bough
Brewterializer bait fuck that trinket
scarlet tapir
Coaching to play dev <:tettleslul:541422589524836352>
if its so easy why dont they have full 99s...
lapis quest
on dk we have 2 spells too but we always calculate when to start using aoe
delicate perch
they're taking one for the team
livid jay
somebody has to do the mechanics...
delicate perch
there's no way melee can count that high
scarlet tapir
ah yes ofc
jolly coyote
link the sim
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/67cM3absQzdbS1jqa9LGND simmed 0.8% before, but still 0.5%. I wondered if it could be the main stat diff, but still i have a hard time believeing it would be better
livid jay
delicate perch
jolly coyote
Why even spend time simming then . GG
livid jay
delicate perch
you can do 1 target 5 minute and be fine or run a mdt sim for more effort
jolly coyote
Very helpful, didnt know about this ty
merry ibex
Question, I’m a 20 year warlock switching to boomkin. How does the eclipse mechanic work? Is it a set of conditions like need to hit button a for it to happen or is it proc based?
livid jay
Very helpful, didnt know about this ty
dreamgrove compendium shall be your bible for playing moonkin
lofty depot
Question, I’m a 20 year warlock switching to boomkin. How does the eclipse mecha...
read ur talent
tame dome
sheeeesh that wowhead review. Basically the absolute polar opposite of my personal views xD
jolly coyote
dreamgrove compendium shall be your bible for playing moonkin
Yeah i do use it. Just never spotted that, cause i thought i "knew" how to do it
digital berry
They are bald and restarted
tame dome
?
moonkin feels better to me now than it has done in a very long time. Hated promordial pulsar, love the theme of keepers of the grove
round field
idk
digital berry
What theme
round field
spec is legit
digital berry
It’s 1 button
round field
worse than watching paint dry
i press trees
because it gives me 25% dmg
thast about it
digital berry
Elunes is more themed and even that has barely any flavor
lofty depot
u can hate pulsar but thinking moonkin is in a better state is crazy
crimson helm
Dunno, I like me a simple Specc tbh ^^ Next in line on my alts: Scalecommander Devoker.
I know I will get hate for this, so Imma dip into my bed ;P
tame dome
Dunno, I like me a simple Specc tbh ^^ Next in line on my alts: Scalecommander D...
exactly, same. There are barely any specs in the game I enjoy anymore
lofty depot
boomkin casts 8 wraths in a row, i cast 8 pyros in a row. F
tame dome
I don't enjoy Dev as much anymore because it's more complicated than I like now
lofty depot
dev is complicated?
tame dome
frost mage completely ruined for me
lofty depot
gonna roll really quick on sec
young stirrup
u can hate pulsar but thinking moonkin is in a better state is crazy
U don't like this?
tame dome
dev complicated
it isn't 'complicated' but it's more complicated than it was and I enjoy it less now
crimson helm
À simple playstyle allows easier optimization in a progress fight. I love playing this simple Specc more and more perfect from try to try and not struggle in between a huge prio. Compared with a great survivability I'm alive in the very most of my prorgress tries and can somewhat shine.
lofty depot
i shall not respond
crimson helm
But again, to each its own 🙂
teal sphinx
And they're still bad bro. Tell them im cheap for coaching
Eu coach? Gross. And didn't say they were. I'm just missing out on ilvl because of the crafted gear
knotty abyss
I am planing to get Moxie Trinket, sims suggesting me to use 2 passive trinkets. I also wanted to sim HoC and these are the results. very close.
mogxie: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gmRFyvUnbwLriRiTLe1n8T
HoC: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fajB8UtQxcFTudYRZBuhKG
drifting nova
And they're still bad bro. Tell them im cheap for coaching
coach to bench is surely the path
tame dome
It's important to remember that the vast majority of wow players are not interested in the level of min-maxing that the top m+ and raiders are, and many of them would never even consider stepping into this channel
crimson helm
Good night yall 🙂
royal zenith
round field
it isn't 'complicated' but it's more complicated than it was and I enjoy it less...
very complicated
lofty depot
I am planing to get Moxie Trinket, sims suggesting me to use 2 passive trinkets....
why are we simming 665 trinkets and 671 trinkets
tame dome
most of the opinions you see on forums and in discord tend to be the top players who want to show skill expression and devote a lot of time to the game
scarlet tapir
<:pogu:585547941813682187>
why u poggoing foltys evokers... @cursive mirage
lofty depot
most of the opinions you see on forums and in discord tend to be the top players...
most people on the forums are not "top players"
cursive mirage
hmmm
lofty depot
so lets dispell that real quick
digital berry
most people on discord arent top players either
Well you aren’t for sure
round field
shit players ruin the game for good players
drifting nova
woah I said most
round field
sad reality
knotty abyss
why are we simming 665 trinkets and 671 trinkets
I can't get mythic raid trinkets.
drifting nova
I'm the kingpin here
lofty depot
I can't get mythic raid trinkets.
those trinkets can be upgraded based 658
is the point
so ur jsut simming things lower for fun
tame dome
most of wow's players will never touch m+ and mythic raid
I bet most people talking here do both
cursive mirage
how is bepis in the dreamgrove, complaining about loot for his shaman, while being out for the last 2 bosses for the 15th tier in a row
teal sphinx
how is bepis in the dreamgrove, complaining about loot for his shaman, while bei...
???????
lofty depot
shitter needs to go hunting
teal sphinx
I was in on tindy
lofty depot
wcyd
drifting nova
how is bepis in the dreamgrove, complaining about loot for his shaman, while bei...
cant get loot if not in duh
royal zenith
devoker is way more complicated than bamkin
lofty depot
vacation during proc
round field
pig
teal sphinx
And i was in on queen
cursive mirage
cant get loot if not in duh
cant be in if too busy hunting with dogs to play game
royal zenith
bamkin brain off
drifting nova
digital berry
most of wow's players will never touch m+ and mythic raid
And those people know they are bad at the game and couldn’t care less whether they are doing optimal dps, so easy or hard rotation does t matter
knotty abyss
so ur jsut simming things lower for fun
I didnt understand your point sorry. I can upgrade my heroic level m+ trinkets but I won't be able to get mogxie on mythic level
drifting nova
legion when
royal zenith
drifting nova
so I can play again
digital berry
how about you emnithy
Have you killed oab?
tame dome
And those people know they are bad at the game and couldn’t care less whether th...
I disagree - even players who do lower end content often want to try to understand how to play the class. I'm one of them
royal zenith
yeah like 5 weeks ago
teal sphinx
cant be in if too busy hunting with dogs to play game
Time to leave when the Denver crew leaves for their trip again
digital berry
cursive mirage
Time to leave when the Denver crew leaves for their trip again
if they do it again I'll be replacing them all anyway
gg
teal sphinx
They are
lofty depot
I didnt understand your point sorry. I can upgrade my heroic level m+ trinkets b...
well u didnt sim jug on that either, but ur simming trinkets at not max ilvls, wheather that be mythic or heroic track
teal sphinx
Gg
digital berry
Shoulda asked about Mugzee damn
royal zenith
true
round field
I disagree - even players who do lower end content often want to try to understa...
yeah but nothing you do matters
its trivial content
and the game isnt balanced with it in mind at all
royal zenith
I dunno, people that focus too much on rotation and it needing to be exciting
means you have too much time to think about it
cursive mirage
They are
you're assuming I haven't transfered to EU to play with @lucid olive by then
drifting nova
and the game isnt balanced with it in mind at all
the game isnt balanced period
round field
stop talking kekkers
royal zenith
so you're either slow on prog or already farming bosses for a few weeks
drifting nova
tame dome
I dunno, people that focus too much on rotation and it needing to be exciting
I agree. Also, how about keep the rotation more simple and make the game itself more fun
lucid olive
any more doers of amoeba damage
tame dome
I'd much sooner look at interesting things in game than watch ability cooldowns, timers, procs and stuff on the user interface
cursive mirage
Gamz I've been playing my arcane mage in keys so I dont do amoeba damage anymore
yay
royal zenith
next tier bamkin will be great again
lucid olive
pog
royal zenith
we going back
royal zenith
no, delete vers
lofty depot
I'd much sooner look at interesting things in game than watch ability cooldowns,...
if ur not raiding and/or doing m+ ur missing out on the interesting content
that is the end game, and if ur not doing it then idk what interesting thing u might want
cursive mirage
delete DN
knotty abyss
well u didnt sim jug on that either, but ur simming trinkets at not max ilvls, w...
I have the almost the same results with upgraded m+ trinkets. still Jug is slightly better and sim suggesting 2 passive trinkets.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ho9NwRTFCuhX88kheUm3JK
lofty depot
delve pretty interesting solo content
digital berry
Pet battles
drifting nova
quitting, like any logical person would
tame dome
Love delves, and also enjoy raiding up to heroic
lofty depot
I have the almost the same results with upgraded m+ trinkets. still Jug is sligh...
yea now do an mdt sim to see what it does
tame dome
mythic+ these days is just like playing some ARPG and only do it for gear
lofty depot
hmm, do i say the thing
round field
you friends with john delver perhaps?
lofty depot
sounds like ur geared enough to do harder content you just dont so youre actively skipping the interesting harder content
digital berry
If you’re not doing m+ or raiding mythic what do you log in to do ? Like the season is over once you get aotc ?
lofty depot
its fine to play this way, but ur scale on "interesting content" isnt the same as what that is
im not gonna try to convince the market audience for 1 button rotation that what they do is or is not "peak"
tame dome
If you’re not doing m+ or raiding mythic what do you log in to do ? Like the sea...
I enjoy playing around and exploring in delves, I love exploring the world, sometimes I just fly places to swim around and sort of roleplay, I enjoy raiding with my guild up to heroic at the start of the season, and I enjoy a bit of casual pvp / epic BGs
lofty depot
ayo is that me
digital berry
ayo is that me
High end ?
lofty depot
digital berry
lofty depot
well compared to "i have balanced views" im pretty high end
digital berry
I enjoy playing around and exploring in delves, I love exploring the world, some...
Every way of playing the game is valid, there’s no wrong way. But you have to realize your expectations are gonna be wildly different from mine
royal zenith
and?
tame dome
Every way of playing the game is valid, there’s no wrong way. But you have to re...
100%
lofty depot
yea emnithy>
drifting nova
Every way of playing the game is valid, there’s no wrong way. But you have to re...
did blizzard write this post
digital berry
does that make you better than people that enjoy delve gaming
Scroll up babes we been talking about balance rotation
royal zenith
ya still the same question
cause you get to play mythic content you have more of a say over rotation?
HMM??
digital berry
Well ofc
royal zenith
I think ultimately the people that buy mounts and that pay for subs are the ones that should have the biggest voice
digital berry
Wtf kinda rotation do you need to clear delves
digital berry
I think ultimately the people that buy mounts and that pay for subs are the ones...
Valid take
lofty depot
Wtf kinda rotation do you need to clear delves
thrash
drifting nova
Wtf kinda rotation do you need to clear delves
some delves are harder than the first few mythic bosses smh
lets not pretend they are peak content
teal sphinx
you're assuming I haven't transfered to EU to play with <@147914503588282368> by...
You hate eu gamers more than us
cursive mirage
but I love gamz
tame dome
that's the thing. Bliz have to try to design classes so that they get more money. So they need to target the biggest pool of players who they might keep in the game or be drawn into the game. If only around 5% of the players interact with mythic raiding, that's only a very small representation, but in terms of feedback on class specs, a hugely vocal one. My point is that many players really like the more accessible, easy to learn and straight forward rotations, so making it complicated just for those top tier players could actually be bad for the game
royal zenith
Folty wouldnt last one second
he'll call us direct and rude
(cause he yaps too much)
lucid olive
but I love gamz
I have NA character and you've never asked me to play
lucid olive
I do heroic alt raids with the gang
lucid olive
you're a GM aren't you
royal zenith
that's the thing. Bliz have to try to design classes so that they get more money...
yeah agreed
same with people shitting on one button rotation
we call it
the main character syndrome
lofty depot
what the
cursive mirage
(cause he yaps too much)
I have maybe 1/10th of the messages in this place as you 😦
cursive mirage
alright imma dip from arctic's guild can i be social in yours
FUCK YES
arctic is cringe
royal zenith
lofty depot
ight no more hand outs for gamz
cursive mirage
logging in this instant to get you invited
lofty depot
fuggn rat
cursive mirage
are you alliance or horde 😠
lucid olive
alliance
cursive mirage
there he is
lofty depot
had to cancel craft orders cause all of arctics guys are AFK
imagine playing wow week 500
so real
cursive mirage
@lucid olive I gotchu
royal zenith
how much of a DPS gain does that net you
lucid olive
<@147914503588282368> I gotchu
BIG
lucid olive
have no fear. Gamz got his shit crafted
valorstones suck btw
this character is like turbo valorstone starved
cursive mirage
valorstones are the dumbest thing currently in the game
tame dome
agreed
lofty depot
this character is like turbo valorstone starved
do a delve dork
lucid olive
its so bad on a new account man
lofty depot
delve gang
lucid olive
nah need to do EU keys for my other characters
lofty depot
see just dont have more characters
bluds got 7 on eu
sturdy light
is best in slots usuable for boomy bc it says agi and stam for me?
do you change the stats?
sturdy light
ok so it'll change it to int then?
round field
Yes?
sturdy light
ok i wasnt sure thank you
should i craft a staff then?
well weapon
or 1h and OH
sturdy light
okay
craggy sonnet
2h saves you some crests if you are not easily farming gilded crests
scarlet tapir
if ur not mythic raiding it will prolly be a signet myth but u need all 12s
sturdy light
i most likely wont raid this is an alt lol
sturdy light
oooh ok i see
craggy sonnet
ok
scarlet tapir
last time i checked
craggy sonnet
but moxie is like straight up better that m wax
scarlet tapir
i told him where the resource is at and then showed him what it says
craggy sonnet
this does not represent what it says tho
it just shows you reasonable options that you should sim from either content type
scarlet tapir
ofc not, but saying where the resource is enough for if he wants to search further
craggy sonnet
damn thats a trippy gif
sturdy light
appreciate the help guys
craggy sonnet
but yea .. moxie jug hero is pretty darn good, jastor hero is pretty darn good and then either hoc hero or signet myth are likely what you are looking at (no order)
crisp badger
card is nicer cuz you can just macro it into incarn and forget about it
with signet you gotta bind it separately and be careful of your third incarn timing
lofty depot
/me doesnt bind it to incarn regardless
sturdy light
but yea .. moxie jug hero is pretty darn good, jastor hero is pretty darn good a...
ima go with jastor
signal temple
I need to find a Heroic Bandit kill
iron chasm
/me doesnt bind it to incarn regardless
I prefer to click for better control and accuracy
lofty depot
u know what fair
dry compass
fuck control all my homies hate control
design the cds never to line up so give us an annoying, buggy talent that requires us to spreadsheet the fight timeline beforehand to line shit up
hell naw just make the CDs work together
lofty depot
design the cds never to line up so give us an annoying, buggy talent that requir...
dont u mean notepad
actually sorry, paint
digital berry
design the cds never to line up so give us an annoying, buggy talent that requir...
I don’t play more other classes, but don’t most classes have cds that don’t really align naturally ?
dry compass
not really
lofty depot
i mean, u mostly send it on cd
dry compass
in fact aff lock has phantom singularity that's 45s while the rest of their CDs are on a 1-minute cycle and they're constantly asking why singularity isn't either 30s or 1m becuase they just end up holding it for 1m anyway
lucid olive
yeah affliction sucks
craggy sonnet
tettles got me tho with "rotational payoff" and then talking about a randomly procced DRE
lucid olive
pulsar good
dry compass
pulsar bad, y'all just got stockholm syndrome cause they took away our girl and we dont have a new one
dont text her gamz you dont need her
lucid olive
yes i dont enjoy being single
lofty depot
tettles got me tho with "rotational payoff" and then talking about a randomly pr...
couldve talked about fire mages procing random combusts/hyperthermias
lucid olive
warrior rampage has chance to grant recklesness
bunch of talents like that in the game
dry compass
and they're all fine because they're random and don't force you to play around them
meanwhile pulsar
craggy sonnet
but they are not rotational payoff to me
dry compass
agree
craggy sonnet
im not working towards getting a random proc
dry compass
dunno why we cant have old FoE back
calling it bad design while breath of syndragosa is still in the game and now they've added divine hammer that's very similar makes no sense
buff the hell out of it, put it on a choice node with convoke, and let one be single target and the other AoE
fierce finch
why do sometimes when i use 2 wraths to get my starfire empowered, i try to use 2 starfires to empower wrath it doesnt work?
craggy sonnet
you can only be in one eclipse at a time
fierce finch
you can only be in one eclipse at a time
oh
lofty depot
are u trying to enter a different eclipse while in one already
the buff lasts 15 seconds
fierce finch
are u trying to enter a different eclipse while in one already
yes
lofty depot
yea doesnt work
dry compass
That'll do it
fierce finch
oh so i need to wait those 15 seconds and then i can enter another?
lofty depot
yes
fierce finch
ah got it, my bad
lofty depot
no it gives both, but u still cast starfire
fierce finch
ah got it thank you
lofty depot
well i suppose if ur not running lunar calling currently
it might not be correc t
but we dont really do uhh funny rotational theorycrafting on leveling builds
so idk
fierce finch
well i suppose if ur not running lunar calling currently
i know, but im about to get it anyways ^^
iron chasm
dunno why we cant have old FoE back
Bring back eclipse pendulum
true viper
Bring back eclipse pendulum
No
exotic storm
I wish there was an easy way to give feedback that Blizzard should consider reworking the Balance/Resto hero tree into one themed around mushrooms, sun, and insects. 😄
lofty depot
u could give feedback in the forum post
calm plover
That mid-expansion balance druid read on WoWhead was interesting, eh.
lofty depot
That mid-expansion balance druid read on WoWhead was interesting, eh.
what was interesting
calm plover
Honestly, just the state of everything. Outside of number tweeks, how do you resolve the issues listed? It's a very true article, and though I can admire the simplicity of the build overall since I've recently returned to WoW, I can't help but worry that i'll be bored in 1-2 months time, and now I worry that maybe I'll end up rerolling down the line and all the time I spent was wasted,.
It's simple, the damage numbers for the buttons you press is fun, but it's just so abhorently linear. I doubt we'll see real changes before Midnight
lofty depot
i dont think anyone expects any major changes before midnight
lofty depot
guess depends what u define as major
calm plover
Major in this case is simple, a little more variety in the buttons I press from mob to mob.
lofty depot
thats not major
lofty depot
that reply was to vinter
calm plover
Ah
lofty depot
all mobs arent hte same buttons
calm plover
It's pretty damn close when comparing to other classes, though.
lofty depot
well as he stated were not like other classes 🙂
calm plover
Well that should be true for all classes 🤓
lucid olive
well it could be worse
lofty depot
blud wants to go back to surging at 8 targets
lucid olive
there are a lot of caster specs that play the same rotation on 1 target as they do on 20 targets
shadow priest for example
demo lock presses implosion on aoe but thats about it, all other spells are the same
BM hunter target swaps to spread a dot and then does same
jolly delta
tbf I'd rather do a single rotation if the rotation is interesting
lucid olive
sure
calm plover
I don't think i'll use that feature. How to get bored from anything speedrun, but I get the appeal of the feature.
jolly delta
I mean
To be fair
I get what you mean, but it's not like I think a lot when I do my weeklies
(when I did them, w/e)
Not much to think about when you know the rotation, could as well be pressing one button
lofty depot
I don't think i'll use that feature. How to get bored from anything speedrun, bu...
when was the last time u played balance
calm plover
when was the last time u played balance
Today when I logged in 🤓
lofty depot
before that dork
calm plover
Legion
calm plover
Very, when I came back about 3 weeks ago, I was very surprised at the change in gameplay, but I didn't complain because the simple gameplay benefitted my return, like a lot.
But now since my read I think about the future
and how i'll feel about boomkin in 1-2 months time
sudden pawn
you gotta learn to live like a dog and live in the moment
jolly delta
But now since my read I think about the future
Why does this read so funny
lucid olive
But now since my read I think about the future
should read the forum post too
calm plover
Which forum post ?
lofty depot
pins
lucid olive
pins
exotic storm
Would other people even be interested in a version of balance was was focused on wrath, mushrooms, and insects?
calm plover
I'll give it a read now 👍
jolly delta
Would other people even be interested in a version of balance was was focused on...
what does this even mean
is it a good version or a bad version
exotic storm
I mean lets say numerically fine, but I'm talking about themes in contrast to Elune's Chosen.
lofty depot
theme i cba
exotic storm
Since most people agree KotG's theming is weak.
lucid olive
okay how does the spec play
jolly delta
I mean lets say numerically fine, but I'm talking about themes in contrast to El...
numerically fine doesn't mean anything
they could buff EC by 20% and i still would rather watch paint dry
exotic storm
I think get the theme right first then focus on gameplay. People will tolerate a lot for a fun theme. See ret paladins for years.
lofty depot
i uhhh
calm plover
Would other people even be interested in a version of balance was was focused on...
Every wrath spawns a mushroom under the targets location, starsurge pops them exploding for aoe damage, and those explosions have a % chance to spawn a treant/swarm of insects at that location 😄
jolly delta
In moments like these I'm so glad blizzard doesn't listen to feedback
lucid olive
real
calm plover
Im just playing 😛
delicate perch
In moments like these I'm so glad blizzard doesn't listen to feedback
lmfaooooo
lucid olive
keeper theme is fine its just no flavor in the theme
lucid olive
treants have the same model theyve had for 20 years
small geode
what fight style is best to sim for m+?
jolly delta
what fight style is best to sim for m+?
pins compendium faq
lucid olive
patchwerk 1 target 5 minute or MDT sim
lofty depot
pins compendium faq
read it
jolly delta
tldr 1t5m or mdt
lucid olive
the nature theme of keeper would be really sick if i could feel like Poison Ivy from batman
lofty depot
no tldr, read it
lucid olive
or zyra from league
lucid olive
let me spawn buncha lashers and poisonous shit
exotic storm
I think keeper's extra green puffs are the least exciting thing I've experienced in TWW lol.
lucid olive
EC is not really any better
lofty depot
let me spawn buncha lashers and poisonous shit
zyra?
jolly delta
I'll be honest I didn't even know we had green farts
lucid olive
dream burst
sudden pawn
ya they arent noticable thats the point
calm plover
Army of Weeds build
lucid olive
but i also don't think anybody serious has given feedback about the theme being weak
exotic storm
EC I like cause your all in on stars, you get extra furies, you only have a lunar eclipse. I dunno, I just love it as it is
lucid olive
both the wowhead post and all the forum posts usually revolve around the flow of the spec
lucid olive
lofty depot
all in on stats
lucid olive
he edited
exotic storm
Sorry typo.
sudden pawn
one side of the keeper tree should make ur trees into dryads and the other side should combine them into a big tree..
exotic storm
EC is very pretty to play
meager storm
lofty depot
i honestly cant tell if im being trolled
delicate perch
login we're saved
lucid olive
EC has purple fart on Boundless Moonlight instead of green fart
thats the only difference
true viper
Wtf
lucid olive
you can play Fury of Elune in Keeper too ain't nobody stopping you
jolly delta
cavey go test my cd planner
sudden pawn
how come a tree built around moons and foe arent even the primary reason people take that tree, lunar calling is
boundless moonlight really owns
exotic storm
I know you can, but I like EC for what it is. I want to feel like I'm something different playing kotg for variety
delicate perch
cavey go test my cd planner
isn't that @vital hounds role
lucid olive
he already did
lucid olive
spawn gnarlroot
jolly delta
isn't that <@126112819476168705>s role
no he just opens it and tells me to change a color or two
and then says he's done and everything is perfect
lucid olive
calm plover
spawn gnarlroot
This would be dope, spawn enough treants and they power ranger merge in to Gnarlroot mechaform
lofty depot
cavey go test my cd planner
link
exotic storm
I think most people didn't want a treant spec so we got what we have now where neither balance or resto really enjoy kotg
lucid olive
I think most people didn't want a treant spec so we got what we have now where n...
Do you think the current KOTG iteration is the result of feedback they got?
lofty depot
uwu
lucid olive
The tree that has gotten 0 changes since it was announced at Blizzcon?
exotic storm
Do you think the current KOTG iteration is the result of feedback they got?
I mean they just buffed the entirely passive part a ton rather than actually try to improve it.
lucid olive
Actually that's not true, the orginal version had a talent removed that was complete dogshit design
lucid olive
I mean they just buffed the entirely passive part a ton rather than actually try...
"most people didn't want a treant spec" how is this relevant
jolly delta
The tree that has gotten 0 changes since it was announced at Blizzcon?
they buffed cotd by 10s!!!
exotic storm
I'll be honest, the current tier set is part of what I wanted from a sun/mushroom focused balance hero spec haha
jolly delta
I'm glad you like it
exotic storm
I think negative reaction to a treant spec stopped iteration on kotg
jolly delta
Unironically
lucid olive
yeah i love passive effects that don't do anything for my rotation
jolly delta
But also half of the balance players don't even know what tier does
lucid olive
I think negative reaction to a treant spec stopped iteration on kotg
thats uuuuh
lofty depot
"most people didn't want a treant spec" how is this relevant
i dont think people liked playing trees before so them making it a tree spec is either them not listening or not knowing people dislike it if he thinks thats true
lucid olive
i can't say what that is because i'll get timed out
lofty depot
either way, thats just a shit take
cuz trees literally dont matter
its a button u press
"i hate that"
lucid olive
"blizzard got negative feedback on this so they decided to never change it"
like what
vital hound
isn't that <@126112819476168705>s role
i give feedback and then vinter calls me a goof
wcyd
lofty depot
what hero talents have they iterated/changed on
meager storm
all we got on EC visually was the boundless moonlight thingy .1s animation after the foe is gone, the minor moons no one will notice and on kotg all we got was the green dreamsurge animation, then the gameplay for both is the most sleeper thing i have experienced since i started playing at the end of CN
lucid olive
what hero talents have they iterated/changed on
lunar calling used to be 40%
meager storm
i think there was a pulsar talent on kotg
lucid olive
like what gameplay changed with any
lofty depot
that was before expansion release
lucid olive
this was changed
jolly delta
i give feedback and then vinter calls me a goof
that's just how dg works.... I call you a goof but then I fix everything you mention......
lofty depot
im talking about after expansion released, what did they change from the base
lucid olive
after expansion released they haven't touched any of our hero trees
exotic storm
what hero talents have they iterated/changed on
Basically only hunter ones got meaningful changes after beta, and totemic enhancement
lucid olive
and deathbringer DK
lofty depot
after expansion released they haven't touched any of our hero trees
yea, so the idea that "keeper wasnt changed cuz trees bad" is dumb
potent cargo
this seems so garbage lol
lofty depot
ty
exotic storm
I'm stunned rogues and druids haven't had iteration yet
potent cargo
lucid olive
this seems so garbage lol
especially when you also have to spend dream bursts
sudden pawn
I'm stunned rogues and druids haven't had iteration yet
no time to work on specs when you have floors to mop
lofty depot
Basically only hunter ones got meaningful changes after beta, and totemic enhanc...
yea so its not "trees were bad so they were itereted on" is my point
nothing has been
lucid olive
I'm stunned rogues and druids haven't had iteration yet
why are you surprised
supple widget
!mdt
lucid olive
you've played this game for a while
lucid olive
i see you around
vital hound
that's just how dg works.... I call you a goof but then I fix everything you men...
you didnt listen to my feedback last night
so that was a lie
lucid olive
should be used to the quality your 15 bucks gives you
lofty depot
you didnt listen to my feedback last night
last night 👀
vital hound
last night 👀
delicate perch
jolly delta
<:biden_huh:1256772046822576221>
he's ill
exotic storm
I feel like we saw more class changes and reworks during TWW.
jolly delta
you didnt listen to my feedback last night
also not true, I moved the cast numbers closer to the spell and added a whole ass tutorial to explain cast colours
gaslighting me once again
lucid olive
I feel like we saw more class changes and reworks during TWW.
dont you mean dragonflight
supple widget
could of sworn we had a MDT sim FAQ in the pins
lucid olive
and yeah thats right, for some reason they stopped doing class changes in .5 and .7 patches
jolly delta
could of sworn we had a MDT sim FAQ in the pins
It's in the compendium
vital hound
exotic storm
I did, sorry. Typing poorly tonight
vital hound
bro just hates me
lucid olive
the only exception being the .5 changes that were just there because they didnt have time before expansion released
vital hound
gaslighting me once again
there's actually
some banger screenshots i could pull
that make you look like a real pos
delicate perch
lucid olive
that make you look like a real pos
same
lofty depot
could of sworn we had a MDT sim FAQ in the pins
faq