this is a random rookery 18 from dwilkz
#balance
lofty depot
What if he was playing poorly and capping
frozen locust
im never capping really, but i do overlap starfalls sometimes
lofty depot
Sometimes?
frozen locust
like refresh at 3 stacks
digital berry
oh no
frozen locust
during lust etc
frozen locust
surge better?
lofty depot
It doesn't refresh
frozen locust
I know but it only goes to 3 right
lofty depot
No
digital berry
nope
lofty depot
It can go to 20
frozen locust
0.0
digital berry
you live and you learn
frozen locust
why do I have this in my head 😂
digital berry
theres no universe in which i lost dps on stix because i capped starfall surely right
the gcd on pressing starfall 20 times is higher then duration no?
tawdry geyser
Bare in mind sims don’t include the part that interacts when more members in party have it
earnest sage
whats the best weapons enchantment?
tawdry geyser
So idk I think myth priory is pretty close to hc cards imo
Get the extra int from ilvl too
digital berry
So idk I think myth priory is pretty close to hc cards imo
It pulls ahead without considering the extra stats from that, just not by much
tawdry geyser
Or w/e stat it has idk lol
digital berry
That’s starlord
frozen locust
This one
plush prairie
thats the haste buff aint it
frozen locust
starlord is a diff one I think
plush prairie
it stacks to 3 but doesnt refresh timer
frozen locust
this is why I thought you can only have 3 starfalls out at once
I assumed the buff told me how many were active
plush prairie
ah
frozen locust
Actually I just got it to go to 4 so I think this is a brain cell issue for sure
lofty depot
Hm
frozen locust
last time I played boomie in m+ was shadowlands and I think it capped then so
lofty depot
Was gonna ask if uve ever tried pressing it a 4th time
tawdry geyser
Was gonna ask if uve ever tried pressing it a 4th time
frozen locust
you would have thought so 😂
anyway, so is there any difference between starfireing a bunch then doing 3 starfalls or starfall as soon as you can. I assume they are the same and you should optimize for movement?
tawdry geyser
StarLord stacks
If it is going to drop off you can hold abit of ap to insta stack star Lord back up
lucid olive
you want to maximize the amount of time you spend 3 stacks of Starlord
frozen locust
ah yup, true
lucid olive
but not if its at the expense of movement
digital berry
In m+ yeah
frozen locust
yup
digital berry
In raid you surge on 2 if you have st talents
frozen locust
Thanks ❤️
deft rain
balance gear question -- balance is my alt atm, and dont plan on stepping into mythic raid but high m+ potentially --
is it better to get the best-in-slots weapon at hero, or crafted weapon
teal sphinx
balance gear question -- balance is my alt atm, and dont plan on stepping into m...
681 vs 671? i think thats the hero track cap
10 ilvls on a weapon
deft rain
just didnt know if the cantrips had higher value than ilvl
dense steeple
Love you super
dense steeple
Actually I just got it to go to 4 so I think this is a brain cell issue for sure
You should see it on mythic Stix. You can get up to 10 with the right luck
lucid olive
just didnt know if the cantrips had higher value than ilvl
for weapons this will probably never be the case when the gap is this big between max hero track and crafted
dense steeple
@digital berry jealous of you
teal sphinx
just didnt know if the cantrips had higher value than ilvl
no, like just thinking about it logically. 10 ilvls on a weapon is insane and the amount of stats you lose is crazy. i cant think of a time in wow history where you ever sacked ilvl on a weapon for a thing it did
frozen locust
Love you super
love you too 😄
digital berry
<@391289638003933185> jealous of you
ok but why
obtuse flume
is hekili good to follow ? im really low dps versus other
in part with tank sometime.
i wonder what i do badly
lucid olive
is hekili good to follow ? im really low dps versus other
not really
lucid olive
this is from a 10 rookery you did a month ago
are you able to see what you did wrong here
cause there's a lot
okay nvm
lucid olive
this is from 11 Cinderbrew you did yesterday
teal sphinx
double incarn
lucid olive
Moonfire before you press Incarn
teal sphinx
goes SOOO HARD
lucid olive
don't double press Incarn
Fury of Elune right before you press Incarn
I would go watch a guide or something
I do not mean to sound rude, but it seems very obvious that you are lacking some very core fundamentals on how the spec works
obtuse flume
I do not mean to sound rude, but it seems very obvious that you are lacking some...
could be yea, i started recently
you not rude i know im doing wrong, hence my presence here
lucid olive
for reference this is what I do on this same pull
obtuse flume
Fury of Elune right before you press Incarn
should ot that or shoud not ?
lucid olive
you should do that
Moonfire all mobs
Sunfire when mobs are stacked
Finish spreading Moonfire if there are mobs without it
Fury of Elune
Incarn+Starfall
Starfire
Starfire
Warrior of Elune
lucid olive
thats basically the order you wanna do in
lucid olive
nice priory and not hoc
i don't log m+ its a weekly from over a month ago
teal sphinx
lucid olive
Pressing Incarnation twice is a very bad habit that you should stop doing
The duration does not stack
so you are effectively losing over 14 seconds of Incarnation uptime consistently
obtuse flume
do you chain them ?
lucid olive
you just press them independently when you feel you need damage
sometimes I save the 2nd Incarnation charge for the 2nd pull
obtuse flume
warrior of elune on cd ?
lucid olive
you're also spending a lot of time spreading Moonfire when you're in cooldowns and that's very bad
lucid olive
warrior of elune on cd ?
Warrior of Elune when you don't have any stacks of 
Nature's Grace
but you can worry about that after you've practiced and learned the fundamentals
Fury of Elune you press on CD as much as possible
obtuse flume
when do you cast warth
crimson spade
only to eclipse
verbal iris
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mfWcXAwqHKRv4tVG?fight=15&type=damage-done&source=1096 https://wowanalyzer.com/report/mfWcXAwqHKRv4tVG/15/1096 I would appriciate any feedback
lofty depot
I do not mean to sound rude, but it seems very obvious that you are lacking some...
Should've rolled so u could be rude
teal sphinx
Should've rolled so u could be rude
I almost @'d you
lucid olive
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mfWcXAwqHKRv4tVG?fight=15&type=damage-done&...
hard to tell and point out specifics, but are you minmaxing dreamstate with precasting Wrath as your Lunar is about to end
or casting Wrath when the tank is walking towards a pack
theres a few places where you have a couple second gaps between spreading Moonfire and using your cooldowns
you're also using Fury of Elune and Incarn on the same global and you should try to avoid that
idk only feedback I got from that are just minor tidbits really
lucid olive
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mfWcXAwqHKRv4tVG?fight=15&type=damage-done&...
its hard to see but i don't think your Incarn ended before you pressed it again?
if you're going to use both charges on first pull, which you probably should on a 16, you want to wait for it to end so you get Dreamstate again
lofty depot
52-40 is not 15
plush prairie
Well looks like i'm not getting mythic bandit killed, what's my next best options? assuming just mythic signet
maiden pasture
its hard to see but i don't think your Incarn ended before you pressed it again?
it did not
lofty depot
Just do maff
maiden pasture
this is just as easy
plush prairie
Just do maff
maff?
dense steeple
<:glorp:1299868840510881813> ok but why
you helped THE super
maiden pasture
i was looking for 10 minutes for sure
lofty depot
Type shit
maiden pasture
he's just playing like the goat
plush prairie
Is like math, but for boomkins
oh lmfao, I thought you were talking to me that's why myb
maiden pasture
damn he refreshed with 0.3s left
lofty depot
L
dense steeple
dwilkz goated
verbal iris
you're also using Fury of Elune and Incarn on the same global and you should try...
how should i use it im kinda lost at my openings tbh
lucid olive
how should i use it im kinda lost at my openings tbh
Fury of Elune doesn't do a ton of damage by itself but it's a good damage activator for Atmospheric Exposure so you want to use it on the global before you press Incarn
Usually that means you finish spreading dots, use Fury of Elune and then you Incarn+Starfall in the same global
Instead of spreading dots and then FoE + Incarn on the same global
if that makes sense
verbal iris
Yeah yeah got it ty
verbal iris
hard to tell and point out specifics, but are you minmaxing dreamstate with prec...
as best as i can but i just started playing dps like 2 months ago so not that comfortable with timing yet
thorny sparrow
working on Rik Reverb, my add damage is really low (me, the other balance druid and 2 hunters) is that just how the spec is gonna be, or is there something I can do to optimize add damage?
verbal iris
theres a few places where you have a couple second gaps between spreading Moonfi...
also i didnt understand this wdym?
lucid olive
also i didnt understand this wdym?
craggy sonnet
working on Rik Reverb, my add damage is really low (me, the other balance druid ...
Nah, should be good on add dmg.
Have you looked at some CD timings on lorrgs?
maiden pasture
If your raid struggles a LOT on raid damage you can go incarn build and only pop in adds, but as long as you have ASP ready for starfall when the adds spawn you should be fine
craggy sonnet
If you are playing a 1:30 trinket, you can go for the CA on pull route.. with a 2:00 trinket I found its better to use first CDs with first add spawns
maiden pasture
If you are playing a 1:30 trinket, you can go for the CA on pull route.. with a ...
Was halfway through typing this too xdd
digital berry
you helped THE super
Didn’t know he was rotalty
dense steeple
Didn’t know he was rotalty
green brook
@lucid olive can you clarify the us of incarn with Fury being bad? from what I understood you wanted to maximize fury uptime with the crit bonus
or are you suggesting you use fury and then hit the next global cast with incarn after the gcd
I joined late, so apologies if I missed it
lucid olive
or are you suggesting you use fury and then hit the next global cast with incarn...
yes basically this
FoE damage updates dynamically
you dont want to spend your first global in cooldowns on it
pallid bay
-1s foe +1 gcd in incarn
green brook
is there somewhere I can see the math on that, I don't doubt the vailidty of the claim I am just interested now in seeing how much of an optimization 1 more gcd of incarn is at the cost of 1 gcd of Fury getting the crit bonus
lucid olive
you can probably edit the APL to show the difference
but its all in the 0.2% range likely
green brook
if only I was competent in that language :p
green brook
but its all in the 0.2% range likely
thank you for the informal shorthand
maiden pasture
Fury of elune starts scaling above 2 targets right? Or did they change that?
Like the soft target cap thing
pallid bay
unfortunately gamz ignored my dm and i havnt bothered looking at it thoroughly
lucid olive
yeah its a risky game DMing me at 1pm
maiden pasture
unfortunately gamz ignored my dm and i havnt bothered looking at it thoroughly
Every since gamz got green name he ignores DMs
pallid bay
maybe that sim is unrelated..
maiden pasture
I had to DM him 4 times before he replied
loud kettle
gamz has never ignored my dm
lucid olive
yet
loud kettle
if i ever finish boomy cds he will ignore my dm
pallid bay
i deserve it..
loud kettle
because itll be cursed
green brook
unfortunately gamz ignored my dm and i havnt bothered looking at it thoroughly
so you are claiming the opposite here?
loud kettle
i want a cookie..
lucid olive
but didn't matter cause they added the enchant box the day after anyway
pallid bay
figured this out btw
i still havnt read it dw
lucid olive
yeah that bug annoyed me
for like a week all my sims used the corruption enchant and it was never selected or part of the addon input
was a cookie leftover from mimiron or something
pallid bay
so you are claiming the opposite here?
am not claiming anything tbh, i ran a single sim and it was better to foe with incarn, i dont even remember what change i made to the APL
but gamz showed no interest..
lucid olive
unfortunate..
loud kettle
birdbrains i tell u
pallid bay
cloud plover
lucid olive
Clecia was in here yesterday saying we should have separate EC and KOTG apls..
dry compass
what wow class discord isnt about sims
dry compass
well yeah no one sims ded spec
pallid bay
Clecia was in here yesterday saying we should have separate EC and KOTG apls..
whats a clecia
lucid olive
thats what I thought too..
hidden plaza
Hi guys, i read the pins but im still confused and would like to have your opinion.
Do you purchase a mythic m+ trinket or raid hc trinket with dinars?
loud kettle
they apparently left the 'cord
hidden plaza
Hi guys, i read the pins but im still confused and would like to have your opini...
I mean what did you do?
my trinkets are both giga garbage so far
dry compass
just because he suggested it doesn't mean he accepted the suggestion
slim iris
they apparently left the 'cord
Based
lucid olive
you're the only maintainer..
..
slim iris
Oh
I mean it’s fine if it’s from the perspective of like
We’re only recruiting NA players so that’s what’s relevant to applications
pallid bay
is oceanic just included in US 
slim iris
Ye
slim iris
NA OCE
pallid bay
hope that helps
fervent merlin
slim iris
You are just pixels on my screen @pallid bay
thin sky
When running with House of Cards + Best-in-Slots, you just want to macro them both (with prio on house of cards) into CA? Or macro best-in-slots into FoN?
slim iris
When running with House of Cards + Best-in-Slots, you just want to macro them bo...
Don’t macro bis
eager raft
europoors dont get it
slim iris
Just have it on a separate keybind
dry compass
if you're not first you're last and NA is first 😎
slim iris
europoors dont get it
They could never have healthy competition with their countrymen
lucid olive
if you're not first you're last and NA is first 😎
over half the raid team are europeans 
slim iris
Surely not
eager raft
you should be thanking the usa for your freedom
thin sky
Don’t macro bis
But I dont have enough fingers
exotic perch
you should be thanking the usa for your freedom
did you say thank you yet
lucid olive
you should be thanking the usa for your freedom
says the canadian
eager raft
💀
dry compass
we're used to it
slim iris
canada is also just US on wlogs
Your ragebait is working
pallid bay
are u very attached to the rounded corners
pallid bay
thats not what i mean
eager raft
oops my control of the dream bugged and now my cooldowns dont match the timers
jolly delta
jolly delta
oops my control of the dream bugged and now my cooldowns dont match the timers
did it really?
eager raft
i dunno i cant remember if they fixed that yet
jolly delta
oh i thought you meant on my timeline
should I replicate the bug on the website as well?
pallid bay
naah
eager raft
i don't think so
jolly delta
20% of the time it randomly doesnt work
fossil shard
i dunno i cant remember if they fixed that yet
they did not
pallid bay
always assume its working
fossil shard
it still happens
jolly delta
always assume its working
(i was kidding)
pallid bay
i mean use the WA
eager raft
probably doesnt hurt to link the WA again there with a disclaimer that the timeline assumes control working
fossil shard
ya ^
but also I feel like once in a while the WA doesnt change it back to control @pallid bay
not sure if thats just a bug on my end
eager raft
think it could just be u moving before the talent change finishes
digital berry
one time I did sprocket without control
my one sprocket kill i cancelled the WA early, wasn't fun to have all cds delayed
eager raft
do you not use trees at 75s if u have hoc?
digital berry
on some bosses you hold third trees but generally yeah youd do that and delay convoke by like 10 seconds
eager raft
the timings on here dont seem to match what is happening in sim
digital berry
the timings on here dont seem to match what is happening in sim
pretty sure he's just putting random shit on the timeline to test it out
dense steeple
i dont wanna do more crest farming this week 😦
digital berry
well you're almost done
wet lark
Question, any ideas why the moxies is simming this high? It aint what i was expecting
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sh3ebvjmnZdFQdY51uYzsp
Especially vs the mythic prio trinket
exotic perch
i mean its just a good trinket dont know what to tell you
safe kite
Simming single target chosen of elune is also incredibly pointless.
meager storm
What happened to echo 
digital berry
Simming single target chosen of elune is also incredibly pointless.
??
scarlet tapir
What happened to echo <a:awaree:1090299013183582238>
died
as it should
after what they did to zaelia
digital berry
ain't no way
meager storm
Isn’t he still banned from competitive
lucid olive
rwf is not a blizzard sponsored tournament
?
eager raft
Prob liquid
maiden pasture
but maybe in 1 or 2 tiers
lucid olive
more like echo and method gonna fight for 2nd
meager storm
Nah I meant 2nd
maiden pasture
it becomes a 3 horse race
meager storm
I just woke up
eager raft
gm
meager storm
Got the recruitie schedule going on
maiden pasture
method got world 2nd jailer
when liquid just stopped going for it after not getting first
eager raft
when liquid just stopped going for it after not getting first
didnt they give up before echo killed it
twilit shard
Any good plater profiles for managing dots?
digital berry
jundies is the one most people use afaik
scarlet tapir
https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-1786232764935...
not the same since hopeful gone Sadge
scarlet tapir
didnt they give up before echo killed it
yea cause it was during christmas iirc
and they went home to celebrate and finished after
twilit shard
jundies is the one most people use afaik
Thanks, do you have a link?
glossy slate
Do you cast wrath on single target if ur in incarn, with the EC m+ build?
fossil shard
Question, any ideas why the moxies is simming this high? It aint what i was expe...
apparently the tldr is that it was undersimming and then it was fixed so it's even better
source trust me bro
north acorn
How much haste should you aim for as keeper of the grove. I have 21% haste and 21% mastery but it keeps wanting me to aim for more versatility
delicate perch
I just woke up
Just pretend you’re in OCE and you’d have woken up at 6am 
fossil shard
How much haste should you aim for as keeper of the grove. I have 21% haste and ...
follow the robots guidance
bless be with you
delicate perch
source trust me bro
Checks out, I believe it
fossil shard
delicate perch
Do you cast wrath on single target if ur in incarn, with the EC m+ build?
Guide in pins but no,
Wrath is only ever for entering the only eclipse you’re able to
glossy slate
@people cheers
steady raptor
What does it mean? Why so little uprtime?
lucid olive
it means you are spending time inside your CD windows not casting
steady raptor
One handed bandit
plush prairie
What does it mean? Why so little uprtime?
what website is this
steady raptor
what website is this
spice pelican
hey yall, was wondering if yall had some advice on the add phase on mythic rik? i feel like it takes too long for me to actually do damage to them. currently i just send a moonfire on the far ones and single target the entire time, since the grouped ones usually die fast
fossil shard
hey yall, was wondering if yall had some advice on the add phase on mythic rik? ...
have you looked at logs to see what other people are doing
https://lorrgs.io/ is a good spot
delicate perch
https://tenor.com/view/esquie-clair-obscur-expedition-33-clair-obscur-expedition...
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
meager storm
goty and it is not even close
they will win every single category
the soundtrack
proud hinge
so it looks like the crafted ring bug on sims is gone, but 681 crafted ring is still simming more than hero track jastors.. anyone elses sims show crafted to be better than jastors?
modest otter
Regarding simming for crafted items...Is it better to use droptimizer and run a sim of each stat pair to find the next crafted you should get or adding the crafted item to Top Gear with all the combinations of stats (IE adding consecrated cloak and doing every variation)?
meager storm
top gear
proud hinge
Damn didn’t realize I didn’t have jastors socketed
digital berry
so it looks like the crafted ring bug on sims is gone, but 681 crafted ring is s...
a 7k dps difference on 2.8 mill dps is not meaningful whatsoever anyhow
its also a 30k dps loss for me personally to use 681 ring over heroic jastor so idk
lucid olive
@vital hound log in alt raid
vague crescent
hello all, i am deciding on what to buy with my chips, i currently have hc wax and signet, i am considering to get hc HoC or Mug's or should i get Mythic signet or Wax
lucid olive
@delicate perch log in alt raid
vague crescent
i simmed it and its simming the mug's jug hc and signet hc is simming better the n mythic signet and wax, is that normal?
meager storm
jug is very good
delicate perch
<@129188899741237248> log in alt raid
I'll be home in like 40, make sure arctics online so the first boss takes that long
lucid olive
jug is very good
sign up
vague crescent
jug is very good
So its normal the hc soacks sim better then mythic Signet, Mythic Wax, and heroic House of Cards?
meager storm
soacks?
if u already have heroic signet, mythic signet and heroic hoc will be a lower increase than not having jug and getting one
jolly delta
if you have heroic signet mythic signet and heroic hoc go touch grass
digital berry
am i really supposed to focus on the adds on ipa boss?
craggy sonnet
kinda yea
digital berry
ive been just starfalling without a care in the world
so like dot and fire the adds?
craggy sonnet
depends what the rest of the group is doing, they dont have to die insta
so you could potentially still starfire boss
but usually you get some kinda grip/chains on them
and then you can dot and starfall ye
digital berry
yeah this last 13 i was doing we wiped to it but tbh the warlocks overall was 2.7 mill idk if my starfalling was the culprit, i could have dotted and starfired them for sure tho
glossy jungle
cant believe @lyric stag cheated. smh my head. he was meant to be one of the good ones 
lyric stag
sigh...
dirty cheater just like the rest of them...
followed EU too hard now NA is infected...
pallid bay
Dorki cheater..
craggy sonnet
context ples
maiden pasture
used shocking disclosure potion
which is from dragonflight
rules dont explicitly say its not allowd
but blizzard decided this v inconsequential thing should DQ them
normal pilot
were the pots on the vendors
maiden pasture
no, but the rules say you can craft
normal pilot
seems like a poor gamble to take
maiden pasture
echo apparently asked and got told they arent allowed
but no one else knew that they said they arent allowed to echo
normal pilot
that would've been the smart thing ya
craggy sonnet
yea, guess the better question would be why you wouldnt ask
normal pilot
well you should've asked
lethal imp
Isn’t the procedure to message the mods with any weird strat stuff you are using ahead of time? Did they not do that?
maiden pasture
i feel like they should have just
said its not allowed from the first dungeon
and they would have stopped
but to wait until the final dungeon of the day is done
and then say yeah but it doesnt count lol
seems a bit od
lethal imp
It’s kinda on them if they just didn’t ping the mods before using an expansion old item
lethal imp
I mean sounds like the mods handled it kinda poorly. But ultimately they have the tools to make sure any weird crap they are doing is okay ahead of time
And they didn’t use them
craggy sonnet
rules dont specify anything about crafting consumables at all, no?
normal pilot
it's old xpac stuff
craggy sonnet
what implies it?
normal pilot
- you've been playing wow long enough you know the quality blizz brings
craggy sonnet
yea no .. for sure should have asked
normal pilot
no reason not to be extra dilligent
lucid olive
they broke the rules innit
normal pilot
if they used vendors from vald, prolly wrong vendors
craggy sonnet
what rule
lucid olive
filthy NA cheaters yet again
maiden pasture
dorki was tryna do the same and find the exact rule they broke, they couldnt find
normal pilot
they're supposed to only use provided vendors
maiden pasture
the blizzard admin kept referencing this rule in particular to dorki but wouldnt clarify further and told him "if you have anything further, email us"
craggy sonnet
sounds like blizz should have taken the L on this one
normal pilot
didn't you say they used vald vendor and not dorn one
fluid perch
ideally, what should the uptime on Starlord be for mythic+?
craggy sonnet
gear is not consumables
normal pilot
that doesn't relaly matter
fluid perch
i'm averaging around 75-80% atm
craggy sonnet
the profession section says they can craft gear and there are consumables available on vendoirs
normal pilot
ya, i assume the tww consuambles can be crafted from tww mats on tww vendors
did they go out of the way to vald to get mats from vald vendors?
maiden pasture
ideally, what should the uptime on Starlord be for mythic+?
not a number worth thinking about, think about doing your rotation properly and you will get the ideal starlord uptime from doing the ideal rotation
craggy sonnet
i'm averaging around 75-80% atm
in fight "uptime" should be very close to 100%
maiden pasture
did they go out of the way to vald to get mats from vald vendors?
ye
craggy sonnet
but since its a stack based buff, thats not really the deciding factor either
normal pilot
ok ya, that could be seen by blizz as violating that rule then.
maiden pasture
but again, why wait till the end of the day instead of telling them from the start, they did it in their 16 which was 3 hours before the end of day
and they waited until they finished their final dungeon of the day to say anything
craggy sonnet
probably whoever is spectating them during the run thought it was fine
and it actually was fine
but because someone told another team it wasnt fine
they had to turn
maiden pasture
its also such an insignificant thing too
lethal imp
sounds like blizz should have taken the L on this one
I’m on the side of blizz here tbh. It’s kind of unreasonable to expect them to have perfect ironclad rules that cover every edge case in an open world game with 20 years of content. Putting the onus on the players to pre-approve anything not immediately obvious is the best solution to not having mdis ruined by people finding little tricks from old content that give them a leg up
As the viewer, it’s a disaster when a team gets a competitive advantage by using some weird old content trick
It feels wrong and illegitimate
mental plover
Cheaters get stitches
lethal imp
Like that sort of thing makes me not take this serious immediately
Because instead of a competition of what it’s suppose to be about, it becomes a competition of who can find the most holes in blizzs rules which is not fun or interesting
craggy sonnet
I’m on the side of blizz here tbh. It’s kind of unreasonable to expect them to h...
ok .. but them stating you are only allowed to use consumables from provided vendors is not a hard rule to write down
or you are only allowed to use stuff from current expansion or whatever
like if you do not provide rigid rules
how are things decided on an individual basis
if some team asks about something
lethal imp
I mean I do agree this is a BIG hole and blizz deserves some smoke for making this mistake. However the solution isn’t to throw your hands up and say “screw it anything goes I guess our bad”
normal pilot
on a case by case basis up to blizzard discretion
craggy sonnet
are they sure to get the same answer depending on the person asked
normal pilot
like how the rules say
maiden pasture
the issue is that they didnt remove those vendors when they should have. blizzard rules would cover it fine if they cleaned up the old vendors which they just forgot to do clearly
which does make it a gray area
which yeah should just be talked about with blizzard
as echo did
craggy sonnet
I mean I do agree this is a BIG hole and blizz deserves some smoke for making th...
and i dont feel like anyone advocated for this either
lethal imp
I’m not trying to let blizz off the hook for having a gigantic, obvious hole in their rules. I just don’t want them to reward abusing it
normal pilot
ya should've known better they've all been dealing with blizz long enough
craggy sonnet
it is an obvious blunder to not ask
maiden pasture
i think this being not allowed but the perma MD snapping plagueborers being fine is weird lol
craggy sonnet
but the rules clearly do not state anything about consumable restrictions
gleaming crown
The perma MD snapping was what cause the "you must check with the admins if you plan on using a strat" thing, cause before it was the wild west
dense steeple
yeah this last 13 i was doing we wiped to it but tbh the warlocks overall was 2....
oh yeah?
i just did 3.14mil overall in an 11
lyric stag
or they should've just asked
shinu next time LOL
i replied to the wrong msg but oh well
craggy sonnet
haha, just watching the final bits of the yt stream .. and tettles is talking about the workshop dog rooting thing
lyric stag
HOLY MOLY there are some takes in here i gotta go
craggy sonnet
didnt even realize that was also an mdi used strat. that sounds like it shouldnt be a thing for example
dense steeple
no wait
lucid olive
yeah bad timing
dense steeple
we love you tarisant stay
lyric stag
bro i just read
"i'm on the side of blizz here tbh. it's kind of unreasonable to expect them to have perfect ironclad rules"
lucid olive
love cory
dense steeple
80% of the hot takes in here is a meme
lyric stag
if that's unreasonable i have zero good things to say LOL
lethal imp
"i'm on the side of blizz here tbh. it's kind of unreasonable to expect them to ...
Try finishing the paragraph
lyric stag
i did.
dense steeple
also no one even knows who that guy is
lyric stag
u are a clown LOL
lyric stag
"that sort of thing makes me not take this seriously immediately"
maiden pasture
i think the idea that a team can ask, get something that is now allowed confirmed and that not get announced to everyone as something thats not allowed is stupid
dense steeple
banewlf over here acting like he wouldve played better than tarisant
lethal imp
Yeah. Idk what to tell you I don’t give a single shit about who can dig up esoteric old items to gain 30s on their timer
lyric stag
SHINU 30 SECONDS LMFAO
lethal imp
Like could not possibly care less about that
lucid olive
big cheater !!
maiden pasture
all it did was make him tag some mobs in a dungeon they had minutes left on the timer
dense steeple
brother dont waste your breath with random white name #124768
maiden pasture
meager storm
lyric stag
brother dont waste your breath with random white name #124768
i got nothing better to do now there's no sunday for me
lethal imp
Well the claim is it is for pulling? Idk I’m making a general claim here. Maybe this was a super mild case. But in general I do not want people “cleverly” finding old shit to exploit. It’s really not interesting and diminishes the part I actually care about
dense steeple
full throttle
lucid olive
well you could say the closure of this day of MDI was shocking
lyric stag
so i would love to hear what random white name #124768 has to say about my runs being DQd yea
omg we're already backpedalling YES
dense steeple
Well the claim is it is for pulling? Idk I’m making a general claim here. Maybe ...
not an exploit to craft an item gg + L + Ratio
craggy sonnet
Well the claim is it is for pulling? Idk I’m making a general claim here. Maybe ...
do you know about the workshop dog root thing?
lethal imp
Granted blizzard deserves some heat for this too. I just don’t want to say “well we didn’t tell you NOT to do this so I guess we’ll let it slide”
lyric stag
we asked about that dog rooting btw they told us no then came back and said "we don't know how to fix it yet so till we do u can do it"
lethal imp
I heard tettles explain it
lyric stag
dude i don't know how to nicely tell u this
lyric stag
this is the harshest punishment they've ever given for the most minor "exploit" tgp has ever seen
gleaming crown
Vendors exist in tournament realm = free real estate
It is on blizzard to remove the vendors
lethal imp
Okay. I agree this punishment might be way too harsh
lyric stag
blizz can't even be fucked to remove your old characters
craggy sonnet
do you think thats a "strat" you like to watch for the integrity of the competition?
lethal imp
Like I’d like if they could just rerun their day or something
lyric stag
if u go out of where ur SUPPOSED TO BE
on TR
they port u back to the city
i flew around for like 20 mins on TR
craggy sonnet
we asked about that dog rooting btw they told us no then came back and said "we ...
LOL .. thats hilarious actually
lethal imp
I don’t really want them dqed over this
lyric stag
just going diff places
then showing what happens if u go out of bounds
the rules state that u can't go get old gear, or gear from dungeons/raids
you're not allowed to take your vault etc
the rules also say
maiden pasture
they jsut dont clean up their old shit its stupid.
old vendors left in
old space still in bounds
lyric stag
(e) Professions:
Players will be able to craft gear utilizing profession vendors on the servers. Certain profession consumables will also be available including Algari Repair Bot 11O, Irresistible Red Button, and Convincingly Realistic Jumper Cables
lethal imp
I’m just saying that it’s an unreasonable ask to make sure they have rules that cover every weird thing you can find in a 20 year old game. Sometimes they just have to say “okay just let us know if you’re doing anything weird beforehand and we’ll tell you if it’s okay or not”
lyric stag
the vendors are still in valdrakken and u get all the stuff to craft it by using those vendors
the vendors are on the servers
it is not an unreasonable ask if they have a "serious esport"
craggy sonnet
this isnt anything weird tho really
maiden pasture
theyre blaming you for using shit that they shouldnt have left in because technically it fits the rules but they shouldnt have left them in
craggy sonnet
its a niche potion
craggy sonnet
that doesnt do anything crazy
lyric stag
use a pot to get threat on menial laborers
lethal imp
I mean for a proposed rule I do think they should just say “you can ONLY get shit from mdi vendors” and then have an avenue for players to request stuff added mdi vendors
lyric stag
dq
lethal imp
That would most cleanly solve this issue
lucid olive
I mean for a proposed rule I do think they should just say “you can ONLY get shi...
whats an MDI vendor
lethal imp
The vendors they specifically add
gleaming crown
Dude the fucking item is in an "MDI vendor"
maiden pasture
I mean for a proposed rule I do think they should just say “you can ONLY get shi...
this is what the rule basically says
they left the old vendors on the server though
lucid olive
The vendors they specifically add
okay they used those vendors
lyric stag
I mean for a proposed rule I do think they should just say “you can ONLY get shi...
this exists alrdy btw they added a parasol and spymasters to the vendors because ppl asked for them, and specifically disallowed a toy that i know for a fact 6 of the top teams asked them about
gleaming crown
The vendor is in fucking valdraken its not a "normal NPC"
lucid olive
do you think the vendors in valdrakken are there on the base game or
lyric stag
if other teams asked about shockings and got told no, they should have made the same announcement and said don't do this
maiden pasture
+1
lethal imp
I mean sure. They need to do more to mark what is and is not a vendor. So like “random vendor in veldrakken that we didn’t remove” doesn’t count. Maybe use some sort of naming scheme or something
lyric stag
last season they made multiple announcements such as "don't use icy pres" and "don't use this particular MC tech" and "don't make vantus runes for dawnbreaker"
lucid olive
just remove the fucking vendor instead lmfao
its just 4 layers of blizzard incompetence leading to team getting DQd
lyric stag
i lied i don't have time to argue with random white name #124768 this guy is a moron (disrespectfully)
lucid olive
joke company
lyric stag
it's your $15 please enjoy it how u want tho
lethal imp
That would be my proposal. Again I’m not saying they are completely in the right here. And I also don’t necessarily think a full dq is called for (although maybe this is unavoidable due to broadcast scheduling reasons or something?)
craggy sonnet
yea, i think they should announce everything they already claimed as "illegal" to other teams
exotic perch
oh is there drama in the mdi
gleaming crown
They either DQ or dont DQ there is no replay here. DQ is stupid though
lucid olive
method recruiting abusers and drama in the MDI
dense steeple
i lied i don't have time to argue with random white name #124768 this guy is a m...
im a huge fan that you kept his number with this lmao
lucid olive
its been a saturday for sure
lethal imp
They either DQ or dont DQ there is no replay here. DQ is stupid though
Yeah if this is the case then dq is the right play
craggy sonnet
That would be my proposal. Again I’m not saying they are completely in the right...
technically wasnt a DQ .. just the runs that were using the pot etc were marked as invalid
lethal imp
As unfortunate and unfair as it may feel
I would have preferred they just give them some extra time to redo the runs without the potion
dense steeple
nah dq wrong play
lyric stag
pls i am begging u to go put in hundreds of hours practicing for mdi and then get dq'd and tell me u have the same feeling of how it's the right play
u are a moron
exotic perch
classic drama saturday
lethal imp
But again, they also have a broadcast schedule to maintain
dense steeple
the play is the other team lost GG fuck em
exotic perch
it isnt a big deal guys EU gonna lose to NA again anyway
gleaming crown
I mean how is it possible to craft and item bought from NPCs that were placed in the realm by blizzard (not in this xpac, but they are not in the default game) and say this item is invalid
lucid olive
nah yarrgi team gonna win the whole thing
exotic perch
(im talking about method here)
craggy sonnet
im pretty sure the only reason this "escalated" the way it did, was that another team already asked about it and was told "no"
exotic perch
who cares about mdi
dense steeple
Tarisant: 1
white name #124768: 0
gleaming crown
Also how is it possible to say to team A "Cant use this item" and not make it a general fucking announcement in the MDI discord
dense steeple
im pretty sure the only reason this "escalated" the way it did, was that another...
then maybe blizzard should announce whats not allowed instead of letting them keep it a secret
craggy sonnet
im pretty sure the only reason this "escalated" the way it did, was that another...
if that didnt happen, then it would have been fine
gleaming crown
The lack of a proper fucking workflow is incredible
craggy sonnet
and the vendors potentially cleaned up prior to the finals
lethal imp
pls i am begging u to go put in hundreds of hours practicing for mdi and then ge...
Here’s the thing, this is for the viewers not the players at the end of the day. As callous as it is, what matters is the viewers get something that is fun to watch and feels legitimate, not the feelings of the competitors.
dense steeple
like yeah if someone asks and you go "oh shit yeah you cant do that sorry man"
maybe you turn around as your next move to announce to everyone "hey btw dont do this thing"
lethal imp
This is ultimately how all sports and esports work
craggy sonnet
then maybe blizzard should announce whats not allowed instead of letting them ke...
yea, said that before .. everything that was already asked about and explicitely forbidden should be announced to every team
lethal imp
So you always favor the viewer experience over the competitor experience when they are at odds
gleaming crown
So for the viewers pleasure u give them a worse product by allowing worse teams to qualify and have a lower quality sunday
craggy sonnet
your viewer experience did not get affected in the slightest tho
meager storm
gleaming crown
On something that according to the written rules is allowed, but got denied to one team (no other teams had info though)
lyric stag
bro if they didn't DQ us would u have even known that we used the pot?
craggy sonnet
idc about them using a potion in two spots in a dungeon for niche reasoning
lyric stag
does 706k dmg in the first 15 seconds of the key affect your viewer xp?
be so for real rn
lucid olive
bro if they didn't DQ us would u have even known that we used the pot?
yeah i saw dorki do big dam on the shitter mobs and knew it was something fishy !
lethal imp
I mean yeah you’re probably right
craggy sonnet
i care way more about that workshop root thing for example
dense steeple
bro if they didn't DQ us would u have even known that we used the pot?
brother I didn't even know MDI was this weekend
craggy sonnet
which completely breaks that area
maiden pasture
what happened at blizzard that they didnt tell you off 3 hours prior to the ending, but right after you finished your final key
xdd
lethal imp
I would have likely never heard of it. Maybe the right play is blizz to keep it quiet
And just correct you behind the scenes
lethal imp
But also what happens if one of your salty competition posted it on Twitter afterwards?
craggy sonnet
because they told another team not to
lyric stag
yea man we won that key (2mins30 left btw) cause of that 700k dmg
gleaming crown
They care cause some guy told some other team they couldnt
lyric stag
get real man
u are acting like we pulled a boss thru a wall 15 mins before it's accessible
craggy sonnet
and that guy did not tell anyone else in the team
gleaming crown
And that guy forgot to tell the fucking rest of tournaments admins or mods or whatever
Hey I made a call gamers
craggy sonnet
so the blizz spectator that was present IN THE KEYS in question had no clue either that something was going on
loud kettle
I wouldn't have even thought to ask about it
lyric stag
neither did we
loud kettle
Its just a potion man
dense steeple
But also what happens if one of your salty competition posted it on Twitter afte...
who cares they lost shouldve thought of it first
craggy sonnet
i wonder who even spotted it in the end
lyric stag
"another competitor"
dense steeple
someone from the team that got told no for sure
craggy sonnet
if true
maiden pasture
someone from the team that got told no for sure
echo xd
lethal imp
who cares they lost shouldve thought of it first
Nah see this is what I mean. This take is bad for the viewers. Because then the competition is inherently stupid since “finding cute little obscure items from old expacs” becomes a tested skill that is rewarded
gleaming crown
Some1 going through logs filtering damage done by that pot on all runs xDD
dense steeple
"hey blizz you told us we couldnt use it but look dorki is doin it"
dense steeple
Nah see this is what I mean. This take is bad for the viewers. Because then the ...
its the MDI TR
lethal imp
Which, at least for me, is absolutely not something I want to see
dense steeple
if the vendor is there
craggy sonnet
Nah see this is what I mean. This take is bad for the viewers. Because then the ...
finding stupid little strats is already rewarded?
dense steeple
its allowed
exotic perch
im so confused
craggy sonnet
whats the diff
exotic perch
isnt mdi supposed to be who can 'cheat' the most
dense steeple
take the fucking vendor off if you dont want people using it
or, adjust the TR to port you out if you get to vald
lyric stag
isnt mdi supposed to be who can 'cheat' the most
historically yes xdd
craggy sonnet
isnt mdi supposed to be who can 'cheat' the most
who can "cheat" the most without getting told not to
lethal imp
finding stupid little strats is already rewarded?
I do think they allow this too much fwiw. But I also do think there’s a delineation between executing an unusual strategy and finding some weird obscure thing from the old world. At least in my mind. YMMV but this is how I feel about it
exotic perch
let me see the wild shit yall come up with
gleaming crown
You are allowed to go to valdrakken
The vendor is still there in Valdrakken (mdi vendor not normal vendor)
You craft the potion
DQ
lyric stag
u keep saying the old world
u know it was from last xpac
where there were still vendors right
like the vendors they add specifically for MDI/TGP
u just talk to the tauren and tell him u wanna learn alchemy then buy the brain item from him and it maxes out ur profs and gives u all the recipes
then u tell him u want profession knowledge and he gives u a book to give u 1k points
ur acting like we flew to val'sharah and killed a rare to get a toy that keeps u in combat for a minute to extend your eye of kezan stacks on long downtimes
(which they pinged for and said do not use this)
dense steeple
ur acting like we flew to val'sharah and killed a rare to get a toy that keeps u...
who did this
lmao
lyric stag
everybody LOL
craggy sonnet
hahaha
lyric stag
all of the top teams all own the toy
but they told us not to use it and said they weren't putting it on the vendor
craggy sonnet
yea kezan minmax was obviously something that would come up
loud kettle
Worn doll right? Thats been done forever now
gleaming crown
ur acting like we flew to val'sharah and killed a rare to get a toy that keeps u...
kinda wanna know what toy it is cause that shit seems juicy though for live keys
dense steeple
that wouldve been siiick
lyric stag
yea worn doll
loud kettle
For other trinkets too in the past
lethal imp
ur acting like we flew to val'sharah and killed a rare to get a toy that keeps u...
lol this is wild
lyric stag
is it wild? cause it's been done for multiple tgps in the past
dense steeple
https://www.wowhead.com/item=130214/worn-doll
do you recommend this in my weekly 12s
lyric stag
does that diminish your viewer experience now that u know people were doing that for years?
exotic perch
brilliant
lethal imp
I appreciate the comedy/novelty of this stuff but yeah I’m happy people aren’t actually getting edges by being allowed to do it
lethal imp
However small or large those edges are
exotic perch
lets the viewers see what stuff everyone comes up with to shave off 10seconds
lyric stag
@dense steeple u win man i shouldnt have
exotic perch
please that is the best viewership
dense steeple
this is why im orange
i know when its a lost cause
its okay buddy, youre still green in my book
loud kettle
I think everything should go if it works on live, fix ur game blizzard
lethal imp
Idk I just don’t want the competition to be “about” finding that stuff, even if it’s only a 0.0000000001% advantage
exotic perch
Idk I just don’t want the competition to be “about” finding that stuff, even if ...
bro that is literally every single goddamn sport
dense steeple
Idk I just don’t want the competition to be “about” finding that stuff, even if ...
thats the literal point of MDI
lethal imp
Every sport is about finding items from old ex pacs on wow?
exotic perch
if its there use it
delicate perch
I do not want people to find better ways to do stuff!!!!!
exotic perch
if an old NFL play from 60 years ago works use it (andy reid style)
lethal imp
Some things are in bound and some aren’t. Sometimes the line is fuzzy. In this case seems kind of clear to me. Not current content = not okay
loud kettle
They were talking about the tush push ban wording and coaches asks if its ok if the qb lines up behind the guard instead of the center
dense steeple
this mans never seen an MDI before
exotic perch
They were talking about the tush push ban wording and coaches asks if its ok if ...
tbf i think they just need to reinforce the cant push ball carrier
loud kettle
If there is a way around the rules people will do it regardless of sport
delicate perch
yea true that 100 damage zap is insane advantage
exotic perch
then tush push is way less effective
delicate perch
glad blizz sorted em out!!!!
lethal imp
If you found a novel position on a boss that gave you more up time, even if it’s only a tiny damage increase, that would be fine. If you find some old item from tbc that gives you that exact same increase, that would not be fine imo
exotic perch
(also fuck philly)
lyric stag
ok, i can accept that argument, but if the rules don't state that, then imo that's kind of ridiculous. the admins told us that the rule states vendors that aren't in dornogal aren't allowed to be used, but if u search for "in dornogal" in the rules, one thing comes up - purposefully dropping your key during time trials
they cited specifically this rule:
During the full duration of the Mythic Dungeon International, you are only permitted to use the gear provided by the special MDI vendors (you can also use any of the pieces of gear already equipped when you create your character). Acquiring gear on the Tournament Realm from dungeons, raids, or other sources to gain an advantage may result in disciplinary action.
craggy sonnet
Some things are in bound and some aren’t. Sometimes the line is fuzzy. In this c...
seems like an easy enough rule that they explicitely left out of the official rule book
lyric stag
gear is ambiguous. if that is meant to include consumables, then it should be explicit.
exotic perch
im always for abusing anything and everything that you find, fuck it if blizz can balance or see it all
like the cheese zskarn strat
lyric stag
If you found a novel position on a boss that gave you more up time, even if it’s...
actually this is not fine, the rules specifically ban safespotting bosses xdd
see how easy it is to be explicit in the rules?
delicate perch
dense steeple
anyone remember when echo won an mdi because they snapped the whole dungeon onto a pillar in plaguefall
gleaming crown
2 healer 1 tank 1 afk hunter 1 dpser
lethal imp
seems like an easy enough rule that they explicitely left out of the official ru...
1000% agree. We should flame blizzard for this. But it’s still not right to let it slide, and IF it’s true that the only options are “count the runs” or “dq” then I’m on the side of dq for the viewers sake (and I understand this is heartbreaking and will feel deeply unfair to the competitors themselves)
gleaming crown
god tier content
dense steeple
imagine teleporting the entire trash count into one easily aoe spot and just get free dam on it
maiden pasture
It literally comes down to, blizzard only really want you to use the vendors they put for the current mdi season. They just forgot to remove the old vendors and so the wording allowed you to go to old zones
They fucked up and punished you for using their fuck up
dense steeple
heres another wild thing though
craggy sonnet
gear is ambiguous. if that is meant to include consumables, then it should be ex...
is gear even ambigious? to me it clearly does not include consumables
dense steeple
you get teleported back to dorn if you go where youre not allowed
lyric stag
hey buddy did u pick up that the competitors themselves is me
dense steeple
why are you allowed in valdrakken
lyric stag
u keep avoiding calling me my name
lethal imp
Of course like everyone else if they could just let them do another run in place of a dq, I would be completely happy for that
And would prefer it
dense steeple
hes being professional
lyric stag
It literally comes down to, blizzard only really want you to use the vendors the...
"forgot" if u zone out of TOP and get out of bounds tp'd, all the shit from SHADOWLANDS MDI IS STILL THERE ALL THE VENDORS ARE THERE cause it puts u in oribos
dense steeple
referring to you as the competitors
lyric stag
sorry my caps lock got stuck
delicate perch
sometimes I can hear the competitors still typing here
gleaming crown
Of course like everyone else if they could just let them do another run in place...
Allowing a team 2 tries for an event is incredibly unfair to the other teams who only get one try
delicate perch
🕊️
lyric stag
LOL
dense steeple
🕊️
craggy sonnet
1000% agree. We should flame blizzard for this. But it’s still not right to let ...
for the viewers sake is really a weird thing to base this on. seems like most viewers do not agree with their decision
maiden pasture
"forgot" if u zone out of TOP and get out of bounds tp'd, all the shit from SHAD...
Forgot / didn't have the foresight to see this becoming an issue ig
loud kettle
Allowing a team 2 tries for an event is incredibly unfair to the other teams who...
I agree its unfair for the competitors to have to succeed a key twice in a row when others just gotta beat it once
lyric stag
again if we found some insanely broken tech and abused it without asking obviously i'd be like yea we deserve that
but DQd over 700k dmg potion when historically everybody gets a slap on the wrist for way worse shit
just feels bad i dunno how to explain it to u anymore
lethal imp
for the viewers sake is really a weird thing to base this on. seems like most vi...
Eh that’s hard to say. You are always going to hear the voices of the people unhappy louder than the ones who are okay or ambivalent. That’s just a general rule that applies to everything. But let’s assume your claim is correct, then yeah blizz should align with the viewers. I think their decision makes sense based on what I know (which could be wrong and I’m happy to be corrected)
maiden pasture
DQing a team that won by over 2 mins when the pot probably saved them like 2 seconds of not having to wait for aggro is stupid
lyric stag
bro just take all our remaining time and say we timed 21 with 0 seconds left for all i care
they took our 18 20 and 21 and left us the 16 OME
just take the 16 too bro
u can have it
loud kettle
They can time 10s, just gotta turn on god mode
dense steeple
dont apologize
dense steeple
They can time 10s, just gotta turn on god mode
you dont remember the SL grimrail keys they ran while the servers were down for 12 hours?
gleaming crown
So you guys got steamrolled not from 2nd to 3rd but from 2nd to 4th. Actually insane shit
lucid olive
i think this might be the most i've typed in here in years
nah i hope you stay around more we need some straight shooters in here
loud kettle
you dont remember the SL grimrail keys they ran while the servers were down for ...
They didnt turn on god mode
That 6 was hard
They had uh motion sickness
lethal imp
i think this might be the most i've typed in here in years
Thanks for chatting. I don’t mean to sound like a callous prick toward you and I agree this really sucks for you. I was just explaining my rationale for how this makes sense from my pov
lyric stag
sorry for calling you names
drifting nova
how do you FAIL A 6
cracks knuckles let me introduce myself
lyric stag
that one is on me
dense steeple
Thanks for chatting. I don’t mean to sound like a callous prick toward you and I...
deadass, this is the first time youve acknowledged that he is in fact "competitors"
proud of you
lethal imp
It’s okay. Like I really get it I’m new here, no one, and I’m spouting opinions about philosophy of viewership while you had something you worked for taken away from you for bullshit reasons
loud kettle
If they caught u using a pot, imagine all the things they missed tarisant....
lyric stag
amen
gleaming crown
Some1 got turbo boosted shit they shouldnt ???
loud kettle
I would believe all the exploiting, but I dont watch mdi unlucky
lucid olive
📸
dense steeple
honestly it would be WAAY cooler of a viewer experience if you did tarisant
dense steeple
can you imagine you just rapid fire exploit tattle on all the teams
and blizzard has to either DQ everyone or bring you back
delicate perch
someone being a rat has already opened that up 
lyric stag
craggy sonnet
btw
just realized
their reason for allowing the workshop thing is that its in the game and they cant fix it right now
but these vendors being in the game seemingly not being on them
lyric stag
that argument makes perfect sense to me
takes 1 second to remove the vendors
not hours of dev time to fix the bug
if its allowed cause it takes too long to remove, then pots are allowed
or?
dense steeple
could also just add valdrakken to the no fly list that teleports you back to dorn
lyric stag
could also just add valdrakken to the no fly list that teleports you back to dor...
i showed this to be the case in boralus, if u leave the area where the vendors used to be it ports u back
all they have to do is flag valdrakken outside of the portal room as out of bounds
lofty depot
if its allowed cause it takes too long to remove, then pots are allowed
would think so
but apparently theyre lazy
or obtuse
craggy sonnet
they could fix those vendors not being there
no, i meant in the sense that everything that is in the game and its on them that its there is fair play
could have removed it if its something they dont want in the game
they didnt
digital berry
Let’s not pretend the people participating in the MDI do not know what they should or shouldn’t be doing
digital berry
The fair play logic is so weird cause just because you can doesn’t mean you should
dense steeple
Let’s not pretend the people participating in the MDI do not know what they shou...
tarisant is here and we support tarisant
lyric stag
holy shit hello white name #124769
craggy sonnet
no .. but telling a team they can in that one case but then essentially DQing another
digital berry
nono emnithy is normally good take guy
Debatable
dense steeple
hes just coming in late
lyric stag
i'm rdy to argue again
lofty depot
oh boy
craggy sonnet
for something that is on blizzards end to be the way they want it to be
digital berry
Nah I’m watching a movie with the husband I ain’t got time to argue
lofty depot
nah i need both of u to roll d20s
delicate perch
holy shit hello white name #124769
do not get baited by him you are better than this
lyric stag
LOL
lofty depot
for initiiative
sudden pawn
delicate perch
lethal imp
for something that is on blizzards end to be the way they want it to be
I mean the unfortunate reality is when blizz makes a mistake like this, the competitors kind of have to pay for it. I know it seems fair to say “blizz fucked up so they should just eat the loss” but usually it’s not their loss (or at least not JUST their loss) but the viewers loss. At least that’s the argument I was trying (and failing) to make
And yeah between the competitors and viewers you always must choose the viewers
lucid olive
its a huge loss for the viewers cause i cant watch my goat play
delicate perch
yeah I love watching people compete then get nitpicked dq'd insane viewing
sacred oracle
And yeah between the competitors and viewers you always must choose the viewers
one could argue that if they actually cared about purely viewership they would allow even more exploits
jolly delta
@lucid olive find me a UI/UX designer
half fern
when playing the elune build. do i only cast 2 wrath to get back in eclipse. and then i use starfire even in ST?
jolly delta
I'm sure at one point you got a DM from someone that does it
jolly delta
when playing the elune build. do i only cast 2 wrath to get back in eclipse. and...
Correct
half fern
alright thats why im like bruh why is my ST dog water. cause i was doing the wrath in ST
runic onyx
The key to getting away with exploiting is being on one of the teams that blizzard is afraid to actually punish, actually. (White name reporting in)
merry crow
half fern
wait how we getting DQ i missed something
quiet drift
i'm rdy to argue again
verbal basin
i'm rdy to argue again
about one button rotation?
lyric stag
yes
drifting nova
normal pilot
can't wait for mdi to require one button usage only to maintain competitive integrity
quiet drift
You get given a character template w fixed gear and talents
And one button rotation
Get em champ
mighty mica
f1 vs indy typeshit
proud hinge
a 7k dps difference on 2.8 mill dps is not meaningful whatsoever anyhow
yeah but if it isnt an upgrade i dont want to spend cartel chips on it lol
bc i dont have it rn.. what i have equipped is crafted and cyrces
debating on if i should buy hero track jastors
delicate perch
if you won't kill mythic bosses your buys are pretty limited
flint sandal
Hey lovely boomkins,
Resto main here
I've been asked to go Boom for M OAB prog since we only 3 heal and my other healers can't DPS 😛 I haven't DPS'd in raids since I mained Hunter in Cataclysm :p
Would any of you have tips on my talent build/gear/enchants to optimize for OAB?
in addition to the trinkets equipped on my raider IO I also have a Heroic Skardyn core, Heroic Eye of kezan, Mythic Geargrinder's keys. Sadly no HOC of any level.
lofty depot
your gear is fine, can sim enchants if u want. build u could run incarn, but most people paly convoke cuz the adds are piss easy now
can look at lorrgs for when to save cds
u dont run kezan cuz the fight is short
naive fox
how is the skardyn core since the changes to it? worth running hero skardyn over champ energy drink?
lofty depot
sim it
shy solstice
so im seeing in the sim it not casting moonfire?
lofty depot
trees
shy solstice
its leaving it upto the treant but the uptime is so low
should i refresh it even though the sim says not to?
cerulean summit
I'd like to push keys and I play with a havoc dh, what is the ideal comp with havoc dh and boomie?
scarlet tapir
Tell ur havoc to spec vdh
verbal basin
Tell ur havoc to spec vdh
yeah see this is the issue with people trying to learn
this person is likely asking a genuine question
but you insist on replying with some absolute garbage
this is why WoW will die, we do not let those trying to learn, learn.
quiet drift
vital hound
but you insist on replying with some absolute garbage
he's right tho
verbal basin
I'd like to push keys and I play with a havoc dh, what is the ideal comp with ha...
#1 HDH runs with a variety of comps that include boomie but the most common : vdh,hdh,boomie, udk,resto sham
verbal basin
he's right tho
boomie and hdh are perfectly capable of playing together?
vital hound
if you care about comp you're not playing havoc
verbal basin
I feel you have less IO than it takes to be a top 50 havoc.
wild dune
verbal basin
and i can tell you, they care about comp.
scarlet tapir
Not hard being top 50 havoc barely anyone plays that spec
verbal basin
I would also bet you do not fall in that range.
scarlet tapir
I do dont worry
Wouldn't expect someone to be called ilovewoman and have a kpop group in the pfp to do tho
verbal basin
I am top 50, also my region clears yours in M+
vital hound
quiet drift
scarlet tapir
Bro is NOT EU
quiet drift
Take it to dms brocachos
digital berry
No no this is entertaining continue
lofty depot
so ur region doesnt clear his