balance

[smoky horizon]

that's also true

[digital berry]

Im so full of wisdom tonight

[smoky horizon]

but its fair to sim non embellish/enchant crafted against BIS also without embellish/enchant right?

cause the top gear doesnt let me add embellish to BIS

When i click + it just says transform

[digital berry]

Well if they have myth track and you don’t it’s not good to trust them, heroic bis for example loses every time to crafted

[digital berry]

Well yeah you can’t embellish a non crafted item

[smoky horizon]

oh right, true

[vital hound]

sim

[digital berry]

The triple edit of doom

[smoky horizon]

https://i.gyazo.com/e20f1d205041a4382576370581976cf9.png

which one of these is ascension?

[digital berry]

None

You can only put ascension on weapons

[smoky horizon]

what the frick

god dammit

xD

[digital berry]

And armor band dubles the effect

[smoky horizon]

i guess i cant properly compare then since i have ascension on my wep

and cant put in on BIS

[digital berry]

You can gear your character as you wish, but simming each piece is by far the most optimal way of doing it on a weekly basis

[digital berry]

No you put 2 duskthread on 2 other crafted pieces

Or dawn

They are pretty much sidegrades

[smoky horizon]

Ok did it, at least im learning how to sim correctly

:D

[digital berry]

Never too late to learn

[smoky horizon]

Simming is kinda fun tho once you learn it

i like it

[digital berry]

Honestly title range will probably skyrocket

[smoky horizon]

im guessing 3750 end of season

[cloud plover]

im currently simming like 4 different shadow priest people to see if they can replace cyrce

[digital berry]

We both know the answer is probably no

[smoky horizon]

oh ye that reminds me, can we replace cyrce now with 681 crafted?

[digital berry]

No

[smoky horizon]

:(

[digital berry]

Probably

It’s a huge mastery infusion

[cloud plover]

its actually yes, shadow can replace it with the new ilvl

[digital berry]

[cloud plover]

not unlucky like you feathery noobs..

[smoky horizon]

hm ok,

https://i.gyazo.com/a9e80b18e326c1bc03dd47ded0a441c2.png

im calling, it fuck bandit mythic

[cloud plover]

speaking of feathery noobs time to open my bumkin's 1 singular 10 slot

[digital berry]

I am convinced you’re doing smth wrong

[smoky horizon]

Maybe I am

[cloud plover]

is good?

[digital berry]

Hey it’s something

[smoky horizon]

its 5min patchwerk 1 target

[vital hound]

holy vault batman

[cloud plover]

true ig

[digital berry]

Get out of here

[cloud plover]

dont flame my now 624 bumkin..

[vital hound]

5

[digital berry]

You can fit 3 alignments in a 4 minute window wdym

[smoky horizon]

emnithy can i give you my simc and you try and see if u can make it make more sense

[digital berry]

I can try but I’m on mobile so it’s not very convenient

[smoky horizon]

ah ok no worries if its a bother

[digital berry]

Send it and I’ll see

[smoky horizon]

alright check dm

[vital hound]

huh

[smoky horizon]

oh wait its too long

[digital berry]

What

[smoky horizon]

here you go

xD

[cloud plover]

message.txt )

[digital berry]

Lmao

[smoky horizon]

only way i could send it

[digital berry]

Bro send any sim you’ve done

[cloud plover]

just link ur sim and ppl can copy the input

[smoky horizon]

oh :D

[digital berry]

I honestly don’t understand how you think our dmg profile works

You can’t

[vital hound]

love an imo

[digital berry]

Not with any degree of certainty or accuracy

The apl for an mdt sim doesn’t do that many calculations I believe, it doesn’t „know” when to hold etc

[smoky horizon]

We need 15x ilvl pieces to gain 1 whole overall itemlevel right

if t hat makes sense

[digital berry]

The kind of sim you’re trying to run doesn’t exist, and it’s just nit picky

If over a 5 minute fight one trinket outperforms the other, it’s going to do so over a whole dungeon very likely

And that’s what most people base their opinions on

[cloud plover]

would you even back to back ur incarns though?

like in a 5 min fight id assume youd just use one with every hoc

[digital berry]

And balance doesn’t really have a major stat difference between st and aoe

[digital berry]

If you do that you overcap

[lofty depot]

gonna need a buff

[digital berry]

Lmao

[digital berry]

Just remove it

[smoky horizon]

alright im going to sleep, its 7.30 here in denmark. thanks for all the help with simming <3

[cloud plover]

if im seeing it right, incarn is 1:40 cd per charge, hoc is 1:30, no?

[smoky horizon]

correct

[digital berry]

The math is mathing

[cloud plover]

how do you overcap then

[digital berry]

It’s 1:30 am

[cloud plover]

okay user error got it

[smoky horizon]

Human error

[digital berry]

I like to think of it as a lack of judgement

[ruby python]

best in slots only bis to buy if myth track right ?

[digital berry]

Yes

And also, heya cutie slide into the dms

[smoky horizon]

Is it kinda awkward to run house of cards as boomie without BIS?

[digital berry]

Why would it be

[smoky horizon]

or do you just only send HOC with every second incarn

no nvm im stupid

its late

[cloud plover]

it really is late for you guys

lmao

[ruby python]

Early here 😄

[digital berry]

Damn I got left on read again

Mind you some people do some cooked up patchwerk sims with different targets and timings but it eludes me what information they are trying to get from them

[smoky horizon]

Emnithy tell me what to do

do i just get hero track HOC

or do i get mythic bandit tonight

[digital berry]

Go to bed

[smoky horizon]

its 17k difference..

[digital berry]

It’s not

I thought we established that

[vital hound]

go sim 1t 5min

and look at what robot does

[smoky horizon]

https://i.gyazo.com/d302db6cbcfa07347de20f9feb4e459b.png

either im terrible at simming or.. idk. im probs just terrible at simming

[cloud plover]

i aint look at no sims for this stupid spec personally

ask me again when i actually play

[smoky horizon]

good night all

[digital berry]

Tbh signet could use a buff, it really doesn’t do much more compared to hoc and has a higher cd

[neon whale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4sg4RsZFnGn9uRgpyLtdhK

double passive on m+ then huh

[vital hound]

based

[cloud plover]

loser spec is 624 ilvl and does 1 10 every 2 weeks or so if lucky, i am not simming that bozo

[digital berry]

I shudder to think what kind of route you simmed for those results tbh

Also are all mdt sims so damn long ? 45 minutes ?

[smoky horizon]

what route is that

[neon whale]

floodgate 15

[smoky horizon]

i mean what dungeon

isnt 5mil a bit low for that dung

[digital berry]

Bro go to sleep

[smoky horizon]

ok gn

sleep well

<3

[neon whale]

i mean i did slightly less than that a couple weeks ago with less gear

[cyan idol]

I really wish we got rid of ciclet lol..
I want all that missing stam

[smoky horizon]

tbh just dont listen to me, i have no idea what im saying

im just jamming to some ado

[neon whale]

just wondering how accurate a mdt sim is lmao

[cinder flame]

Is Elune or Grove ahead in M+?

[smoky horizon]

elune

[cinder flame]

By how much? I find it a pain in the ass to moonfire 5+ targets lol

[smoky horizon]

just moonfire tank gathers

while tank gathers*

[cinder flame]

mkay

[digital berry]

By a great margin in higher keys

[neon whale]

its like the standard mid keys pug route

[devout hazel]

Even with increased ilvl im still in jail of wearing the stupid circlet ring man ;-;

[digital berry]

SIM the same combination st patchwerk and see if the two agree on what the best trinket combo is

[digital berry]

I hate mastery too

[neon whale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gd8qgayNvip79CW2XaUYHg

[devout hazel]

658 ilvl 🤢

[neon whale]

prefers signet on ST

either way im most likely taking HC jug and jastors

for the first 2 dinaars

[digital berry]

7k dps difference on 2.3mill dmg

[neon whale]

you mean from HOC and Signet?

[devout hazel]

Signet sims are a little weird bc it sims as if youre using it on cd which isnt technically the use case, bc you would typically hold it to line up with incarn

[smoky horizon]

anyone know the proc rate of jug?

[neon whale]

so safe to say signet is undersimming a little then

[smoky horizon]

moxies jug i mean

[devout hazel]

Unsure on proc rate, but i know the robot REALLLY wants the chicken to use it

[smoky horizon]

wait what robot

and what chicken

[devout hazel]

Robot is sims

Chicken is boomkin

[obsidian jetty]

?

[neon whale]

lol i was just waiting for this sim too

[olive tangle]

Hey guys, is HoC HC lower cd a strong argument vs signet mythic ? i don't do mythic raid so i'll prob never be able to buy mythic track hoc
currently running mythic wax + hc signet, mainly playing m+ 3500+

[devout hazel]

Was talking about in keys king not in raid

[vital hound]

rec

is signet or bis macro'd to incarn

[obsidian jetty]

Neither

[vital hound]

are you sayin

i gotta think and bind this shit

[devout hazel]

You macro a chinese copypasta to incarn its bis

[vital hound]

常年玩BALANCE DRUID的人大都目光呆滞，极度自卑，且智商逐年下降，最后完全沦为傻子。玩BALANCE DRUID会破坏身体结构，引发各种不治之症。人一旦开始玩BALANCE DRUID就说明这个人的智慧品行样貌通通都是下等，这辈子只能在阴沟里苟延残喘。玩BALANCE DRUID的玩家具有强烈的反社会倾向，对治安稳定造成

[digital berry]

You can definitely macro hoc to incarn no

[devout hazel]

I have a cringe one its like "power of sun and moon" insert a bunch of kanji then it goes "need infusion from church man"

[devout hazel]

I have my hoc macro'd to incarn but i still have hoc macro'd seperately as well

Bound not macrod

[digital berry]

When are you using hoc without incarn

[devout hazel]

If youre on last boss of a key, boss dies b4 incarn is back but hoc is up

[digital berry]

Press incarn keybind

[devout hazel]

No :3

[neon whale]

i use this too

[devout hazel]

I dont use wa to track trinket cds, so i just have on random bind to see cd if i need to

[brisk tinsel]

Hello guys, which item do you recommend me to buy first with thhis gear :

[feral dust]

There is something that has me confused. Why does the wowhead guide insists we play tier chest and shimmering grimwclaws on hands but in the MDI they were playing gallywix chest with tier hands?

[vital hound]

wowhead isnt updated

bis lists dont exist

sim your gear

[devout hazel]

Just sim it, technically for me rn i need to replace tier chest with myth chest from rookery

[lofty depot]

1. because mdiers have a mind of their own
2. tettles maybe didnt update it

mdiers were using BIS and not an on use trinket

u gonna think they are the pinnacle of brain power?

theyre fuckign not

[devout hazel]

But they do dungeon big wow

[lofty depot]

yea

let me go become unemployed and slam dungeons

[feral dust]

I didnt say they were the "pinnacle of brain power", I was wondering about the logic behind all that

[lofty depot]

that was rather witty of u

sorry btw forgot to post

[devout hazel]

I mean its kind of impossible to give them a blanket response on what to buy without knowing every piece of gear theyre wearing

That was so bright, im on my phone and you flashbanged me i fear @lofty depot

[jade flume]

Man, looqd got hoc in vault after 1 bandino kill

[lofty depot]

get better eyes

[jade flume]

Game too ez

[devout hazel]

I cant, you just melted them

[lofty depot]

some times i roll good

[blazing goblet]

With today patch, will we still goin to play Cyrce ring ?
Isnt better now M track ring from Motherlode+Jastor ?

[vital hound]

nope

[lofty depot]

read the pin

[devout hazel]

Idk how to check pins on phone disc, i assume it just says "shittys circlet forever gl"

[lofty depot]

click the search thing

[brisk tinsel]

Any suggestion please ? Thought about 2 trinkets from the raid and gallywix ring

[lofty depot]

then click pins

i suggest u delete one of ur addsons cuz im triggered

[jade flume]

Id sim it brotherman

[devout hazel]

Anyone else do 20 keys today and upgrade all their gear? Or was i the biggest loser today

[lofty depot]

umm u likely dont use kezan in m+ unless ur group is playing around combat

but depends

[jade flume]

Plenty of those

I will be sending them in 9 hours myself

[devout hazel]

Im 680 now :3

[lofty depot]

at the time core and wax werent buffed

but i think they were using wax and moxie

[stiff carbon]

wax and moxie myth sim just a tiny bit lower than moxie and hoc for me

and I assume high uptime vers is good for living 20s too

[earnest gorge]

Howdy, i think that i have to try look a raid first and if no drop, ill buy it (House of cards)

[stiff carbon]

playing 2 on use is terrible

would not recommend

[earnest gorge]

oh that one is for use :S

I did not realize about that

😦

[lofty depot]

u gotta soak orbs

kinda cringe

[stiff carbon]

sim bait tbh

[spring maple]

Heyo everyone 🙂 Does any1 have some info, if the Cyrce's Circlet will be still stronger then myth track rings when its 684 now?

[verbal iris]

now orbs soak you tbh

[stiff carbon]

info in pins but tl;dr yes

[spring maple]

thanks 🙂

[stiff carbon]

I think I've ran over 100 sims today xD I have a champ track jastor and I am tempted to replce with max crafted but jastor still sims better in ST

[lofty depot]

yes they share cd

[spring maple]

I crafted ring last week, because my Jastor was only LFR one and I was 672 with it 😄

[jovial sigil]

thought I got an insane roulette wheel, surely it'll be close to cyrce circlet ... 💀

high mast low vers

[lofty depot]

is that a myth roulette or

[jovial sigil]

Myth roulette fully upgraded

Might have a bit too much mastery tho

[stiff carbon]

jastor + high mast roulette would just get you to like what 30k mast?

[jovial sigil]

maybe, but circlet is also mostly mastery anyway

[livid jay]

yo sim experts is there a way to only sim combinations with 1 "TGS" item or at least to sim everything at high accuracy?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7az37YidTbtAaTqxi9kU8y

trying to figure out best dinar but its simming 1 tgs combos at lower precision

[pallid bay]

only by faking vault

[livid jay]

ah shit, cause im also simming vault at the same time 😄

guess im doing 3 sims

[stiff carbon]

droptimizer it

see % increase

or in top gear add each item to a different sim

and comapre

[livid jay]

droptimizer is kinda useless for this

[livid jay]

yes

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fi8oKNqzugeGZYuRCa9aBk
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6Ua3UCTvdsjUoppVb8VxHG
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/97mTFo5jH9rEBoVBfbKwuR

cba going priory trinket

[stiff carbon]

for me, top combos of trinkets (assuming i wear Best in slots) are jug + hoc, or jug and wax

and idk if I cba to deal with hoc and bis sharing cd

[bronze tartan]

I have mythic signet and mythic reverb trinket. I can get mythic skardyn and heroic house of cards. Sims tell me to grab skardyn. It seems heroic hoc always sims below mythic signet. I guess grab skardyn to replace reverb until I get moxie?

From vault btw

[stiff carbon]

skyardin is sim bait imo -- collecting orbs = terrible

[bronze tartan]

Don't the orbs float to you now? I thought I read that

[obsidian jetty]

Yea

Can also game it if you want to stall pick up for a dmg window upcoming

iirc when I tested it on ptr, it sat on floor for like 25s

[jade flume]

Man how do u gamers sim 2.8mil

My dumbass druid is simming like 2.5

Am i buggened

[stiff carbon]

share sim?

[pallid bay]

try looting some gear..

[obsidian jetty]

Yea, now you'd have to walk away from it

I havn't used it so idk how fast it moves, but I'm sure it's possible to just walk away from it

[jade flume]

Im jacked homie

[pallid bay]

keep coping..

[obsidian jetty]

and you could probably avg out how long it takes to get to you while using it over time, and learn to walk abit away if you need more than the avg time it takes etc.

[jade flume]

Sitting at work so cant atm

[obsidian jetty]

I'm 2.9 man, keep trying lil pup

[jade flume]

Altho i probably lose a lot since no jastor and bad stats

Surely alt raid full clears this week tho

[obsidian jetty]

yea, it would be a sus first dinar to spend anyways. unless you have literally no other options

[bronze tartan]

So I guess the summary is skardyn isn't sim bait anymore and if it sims higher than rikky reverb trinket then grab it?

[stiff needle]

@lofty depot ty, got 3171 w/ pugs, much love for help

[stiff carbon]

idk no one played it in mdi

[lofty depot]

type shit

[obsidian jetty]

Sim bait is a buzz phrase

[stiff needle]

Why?

[lofty depot]

hm

[pallid bay]

baited by a bot 💀

[obsidian jetty]

I will not tell you how to spend your limited currency. You can go loot the item and mess around with it at lower iL from drops heroic/m+ iL and see what you think. Might be annoying to use. But there's nothing inherently bait about it.

[stiff carbon]

I mean if sims assume 100% correct and optimal use, it's unrealistic to achieve that in either raid or m+ tbh

if orbs come to you might be easy

[stiff needle]

not that big numbers but anyway

[pallid bay]

true it should assume you just mess everything up

[stiff carbon]

never seen anyone run it though

orb has been sitting there

for 5 seconds

[pale dome]

Can someone tell me how this makes any sense? So my casual raiding guild is only 4/8 M so can only get heroic versions thru cartel chips. When i sim mug'zee vs jastor ring at 671 it tells me 1.2% upgrade on mug'ze trinket and 0.7% on jastor ring. If i do a topgear with Mug'zee trinket 671 it tells me to go full mastery/vers gems and i get a 1.6% dmg increase. When i topgear Jastor ring it tells me to go full vers/crit gems and then i apparently get a 17.7% dmg increase??? It is simmed at ST 5 min patchwork with ST talent build? Am i doing something wrong when simming?

[stiff carbon]

has not moved towards me

[fossil hemlock]

They move very slowly

[stiff carbon]

nvm

it moves

to you

eventually

[jade flume]

That 17.7% includes talent change i believe

[pale dome]

Should both be my single target talent build thou

[pallid bay]

let me analyze some screenshots

[jade flume]

Ye link the sims here so people can check whats up

[pallid bay]

its not

or you did something completely different

[obsidian jetty]

well, there are several items this patch that go based off your "highest secondary stat"

[jade flume]

If top gear changes ur gems and shit then its normal that these items will sim differently tho

[obsidian jetty]

so my first guess is one of those items is swapping stat

[jade flume]

I guess add both to top gear and sim

[obsidian jetty]

9/10 times that's the case

[pale dome]

I'll do that

[jade flume]

Id also consider what are potential replacements for these items

Because if non jastor rings are a lot worse but u can find a trinket that sims similarly to heroic jug

Then going with jastor would make more sense and vice versa

[obsidian jetty]

I'm still in disbelief that they released this vendor with heroic items and mythic items on it. So silly

I'd be writing a strongly worded essay on the forums if I was a casual player

[jade flume]

As a casual player, its fine imo

But i think they couldve just let people buy w.e like other buliong vendors even tho a lot of people disagree with me lol

[pallid bay]

its based

[obsidian jetty]

if it was infinite vendor, I would think it's w/e

but it being limited to 3 items, and then also you have to kill the thing to unlock the thing

[pallid bay]

yeah, based

[stiff carbon]

this is nutty-- a hero skardyn sims better than a myth priory trink when you use best in slots

[obsidian jetty]

i'd be pissed if I was some 5/8 andy sitting here holding mu bullions rn

[pallid bay]

why should you be entitled to items from bosses you havnt killed in the first place

[pale dome]

Ngl feels very bad to have to use 1 of 3 on a heroic trinket/ring... Guess that what we get for being casual plebs ^^

[obsidian jetty]

why should you be entitled to items from bosses you have killed?

[pallid bay]

you shouldnt

but now you are from some reason

[obsidian jetty]

Then why does the vendor exist

[pallid bay]

im fine with a BLP system, but thats not what this is, i think the current iteration is dumb

[obsidian jetty]

I think after like what is it, 8 weeks now? I don't give a fuck of some LFR andy buys mythic jaster

even though I think it should be say, normal iL and they have to upgrade it to mythic iL

[stiff carbon]

give me back my reroll tokens

[obsidian jetty]

which most likely would take them another 2 months

[placid pond]

hi all i use eye of kezan and proiry and i do mythic+ only shall i change kezan with Mug's Moxie Jug ??

[obsidian jetty]

but even if it was just straight up buy a mythic ring, I wouldn't care

[pale dome]

My personal experience is that the uptime of Kezan is very bad in m+, so i would deff do it

[pallid bay]

you not caring is not a particulary good argument for or against the system

[placid pond]

i will buy Jug with the new event and it will be hc not mythic

[pale dome]

When u sim would u take "replace current gems"? Even thou it will be a very long sim for the best results? ^^ (And thanks alot for the help)

[obsidian jetty]

Well, that's the main arguement ppl use constantly. That it's unfair to give the loot to LFR gamers

[pallid bay]

i dont think ive ever heard that argument

[honest mica]

guys would u pick cinderbrew myth track neck, or is it better to craft 1

[jade flume]

Yeah if you want to optimise as much as possible

[pallid bay]

or do you mean that people argue its unfair if LFR gamers were able to buy myth track items?

[placid pond]

so i change kezan with Jug and after 3 weeks i can change signet with house of card

[obsidian jetty]

gem swaps atm are fairly low impact. It's worth checking every now and again, or if you think it could make an impact on what your highest stat is for things like signet, best in slots, or circlet ring, but generally it won't make a difference otherwise

[pallid bay]

which is not currently the case ofc

[pale dome]

Alright ^^

[obsidian jetty]

Yes, the most common argument against less restriction on the vendors is that it's unfair to give mythic items to the casuals.

I havn't seen another arguement, even your "entitlement" message was leaning that way

[pallid bay]

it is unfair, whether certain people care or not

it cant be the reward of something while also being purchasable by anyone

well technically it can but you get what i mean

i dont think its good having anyone being able to buy anything no matter how far they've gotten in their progress of the game

[bronze tartan]

why not mythic signet? it sims higher for me than heroic house of cards

[placid pond]

now if i killed 1 raid boss in mythic with my main it will be warband for all alts or i have to kill the boss with each alt?

[pallid bay]

people lose incentive to do anything if the rewards are simply purchasable with little to no effort, any progression of your character becames stale and boring and players end up quitting cause there's nothing to strive for, you hit the limit of your capabilities sooner

[obsidian jetty]

I think having it open to anyone, but limited to 1 or 2 is fine. Or "infinite" but locked behind kill, is also fine. But this is the middle ground of both and feels shit. Even on my alt I just don't want to buy anything until my guild does alt clear and/or I go clear 12s

[pale dome]

I have Myth Signet, but replaced it with hero house of cards for the same reason

[obsidian jetty]

I cannot imagine how that would feel on my main char

[stiff carbon]

looks like the alts need to have killed that boss too

[pale dome]

yup it is character bound, not warbound

[royal zenith]

I think this system is fine in itself, but people are comparing it to the dinars where you got shit for free

[jade flume]

People also lose incentive if they are permanently behind in gear and they cant ever catch up

[pallid bay]

well you can take my situation, im on the other end of the spectrum, i have no incentive left to login to that character until the next patch

[royal zenith]

which is not realistic

[jade flume]

Which is the case for m+ andies

[royal zenith]

You need to ask yourself the question if your opinion would change, if they introduced it without knowing about the fated tier

think a lot of people would have more understanding

[pallid bay]

you can catch up though, crests are not capped anymore, you can do any content for gear which is upgradeable, you can craft like 9 pieces of gear at least

[obsidian jetty]

Not thinking about fated at all. Simply going off how it makes me feel and imagining how much worse that feeling would be if it were my main instead of my alt.

[pallid bay]

perhaps you cant get the absolute best trinket for your spec cause you dont want to engage with the content it drops from, thats partly on you of course and there are still alternatives

[royal zenith]

if you want to be competitive, you are competitive

[jade flume]

Ye but you wont get mythic jug jug or hoc if u dont raid, and these items are used not only in raid. For raiders it doesnt matter ofc but its different if u only wanna do m+. I symphatize with m+ homies since i had to do pvp before for bis items and nothing made me more mad than that(besides legendaries)

[royal zenith]

aka you're already doing this type of content

[stiff carbon]

honestly this system makes me feel a little better, as a raider of a casual late CE guild that actually puts a lot of effort in optimizing and gearing up for m+... I have gotten 1 piece of myth loot from raid because the people that put in 0 effort and maybe do 1 10 a week always have items be higher % increases for them (shit system imo)... at least with these dinars i can get my BIS pieces for m+

[jade flume]

I think its fine to let m+ andies buy bis trinkets late into the tier

But it is subjective in the end

[stiff carbon]

i would quit raiding if they did this

[royal zenith]

yeah that's based off of feels

[pallid bay]

i dont sympathize with players not willing to engage with something but still wanting the rewards

[stiff carbon]

0 point in raiding if I can buy my bis items

[obsidian jetty]

well, the point would be if you enjoy raiding lol

isn't it silly that you are doing something you don't enjoy on a schedule just for the items

[versed flint]

Yop guys , for someone who dont do mythic raid, have 12 resi , and already get HOC hero, jug are the Best option for you ? It sim same than wax MM i dont know what buying 🤕

[pallid bay]

same way i wouldnt sympathize with raiders not wanting to do m+ to be able to buy IQD or w/e m+ trinket would be best for the season

[pale dome]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2Tqm2GsQ8xm41e7mT7ma7d, can't figure out if it is more worth it to farm the Carved trinket and use that and pick jastor ring. Or If mug'zee trink is just the best upgrade overall from these sims lol

[stiff carbon]

i mean.... the thought of raiding is nice but when I'm there it's like... do I want to wipe for 6 hours a week to the same cretin that screws the raid up over and over

[pallid bay]

meanwhile you're willing to spend 20 minutes in a key just for your tank to die and you having to start over

[stiff carbon]

but see my key group I have 4 people I want to spend time with and I am having fun while doing it

[royal zenith]

Also while we're on the subject, why arn't delve trinkets made available?

or are they available

[stiff carbon]

if I had to pug title I'd uninstall

[royal zenith]

like energy drink

[obsidian jetty]

are these actual mythic items your simming, or is it just showing 4/6 because you added them at that iL with the topgear thing?

[pallid bay]

well the same can ofc be said about raid, you can have fun raiding with 19 people

[obsidian jetty]

prly just because they can't be obtained above heroic iL

but I do imagine some casuals would want them on the vendor yea

[pale dome]

Just added with the topgear. our casual guild is only 4/8 M, So can only pick heroic versions

[royal zenith]

I believe uhdk uses it as 'bis'

[stiff carbon]

I mean I used to raid HOF and while I loved the guild I hated the time committment I guess nothing makes me happy any more

and I turning into a grumpy old person?

[royal zenith]

so wouldn't link it to mole people/casuals

[obsidian jetty]

then yea, farming heroic dungeon trinket is fairly easy, just time consuming, getting heroic jaster will take alot longer and is gated by weekly lockout

[pallid bay]

[royal zenith]

you seem very grumpy

trying to mask it with the fancy emotes

[stiff carbon]

anyone else's bags look like this?

just in case somethinge gets buffed/nerfed

[royal zenith]

no, cause bag addons are overrated

[stiff carbon]

and you need to pivot?

[jade flume]

Id buy jastor, you can still get mythic wax from vault if u do m+, jug is easier to get and less sought after too

Thats my opinion though

[lofty tree]

hello, how much mastery points give 1% of mastery, what is the cap and where can i look it up?

[pallid bay]

you're just a hoarder..

[lofty tree]

my bank is

[pale dome]

Was my same thought process just wanted a second opinion ^^ thanks alot

[pale dome]

And thanks aswell. Nice to have some great people in here your inputs are appreciated

[obsidian jetty]

👍

[stiff carbon]

would it be mean if I just bought a M gally carry so I can buy M jastor 2nd since it will prob take the 6 weeks for my guild to get there?

[royal zenith]

who cares

[stiff carbon]

i mean my guild would not have me there for a week since lockout

[obsidian jetty]

No cap, there are diminishing returns, which is more of a "soft cap." No idea how much = 1%, it's different per mastery. Info on stat to % is generally not easy to find because it's mostly not very useful with raidbots existing.

[jade flume]

You should ask them then

[royal zenith]

^

[jade flume]

Maybe they would be fine with it maybe not

[royal zenith]

don't have to justify your choices with us

communicate with your guild

[obsidian jetty]

https://maxroll.gg/wow/resources/stat-diminishing-returns
This seems updated but who knows. Sometimes ppl just change date on article without changing anything.

[pale dome]

I mean. I personally just take the L and get the heroic version. Even thou i don't see the idea of why normal/lfr people should have access to heroic gear, when we can't get mythic gear shrugs But I mean if you have the gold for it why not, if you don't care yourself. I personally think it is a waste of gold thou :p That being said, you pay for the gametime, do whatever pleases you ^^

[lofty tree]

"varies by specialization" checks out

[obsidian jetty]

ig there is a cap, but unreasonable to hit lmao

[lofty tree]

alright thanks i'll look it up

i mean yeah noone will go for 100%+ of secondary stat

[obsidian jetty]

well that's -100% DR

[lofty tree]

one guy told me that it's pointless to go beyond 24k mastery for boomie and i just wanna figure out how did he come to this conclusion

[obsidian jetty]

at 140,000 of a stat

[obsidian jetty]

sounds like he made some shit up

[royal zenith]

next time ask them the question how much you're losing out on or gain in terms of actual numbers

if you go over the 'cap'

[stiff carbon]

i mean myth best in slots is still better than jastor so that's my 1st purchase -- 2nd would be myth jug/hoc/jastor

[lofty tree]

it kinda sounds correct because according to murlok io most boomies have 23774 mastery

wanna find out how it works simple as that

[pallid bay]

you wont be able to find out how it works

[jade flume]

U char dies permanently when u go above 24k mastery

[lofty tree]

why not? you have ptr where you can play with stats and check how it scales

[jade flume]

I tested it

[stiff carbon]

I mean dwilkz has almost 27k

[obsidian jetty]

robot tells them to put gear on, they put gear on. Or they put random gear on themselves

[pallid bay]

alright let me rephrase then, define exactly what you want to figure out

[lofty tree]

i wanna know if there is up to date information on how mastery works in wow

[timber lance]

rip

[lofty tree]

what is dr for each spec and how much mastery gives to each spec

[jade flume]

#balance message

Isnt this the answer

Idk what u mean by each spec, drs are the same

[pale dome]

Its funny to me because my sims is saying that myth track best-in-slot is a less of an upgrade % wise than both heroic jastor and heroic mug'zee trink for me... Given I have gotten Best-In-Slot on heroic in my vault 4 times and it has dropped on multiple occasions I will assume im lucky and it will drop for me when we kill bandit at one point :p

[royal zenith]

the "how much mastery gives to a spec" is too abstract of a question

[lofty tree]

initially question was about boomie in particular

[royal zenith]

yeah but the thing is, you can't say "oh if I have 24k mastery I will do x amount of dps"

[pallid bay]

mastery the stat is converted to mastery points based on your spec (since they all have different mastery effects)
mastery DR is just a set amount of stats over a specific limit where each stat above is giving you less

[obsidian jetty]

well the site has that info as well

I just cannot confirm or deny it's accuracy

[jade flume]

Aint no way thats true or

1k mastery +500% increase?

Maybe im just dumb tho

[royal zenith]

I meannnn....

[maiden pasture]

If you wanna work out how much value mastery gives you, just run a statweight sim

[jade flume]

On god

[lofty tree]

i think it means 1% of mastery point?

what's statweight sim?

[maiden pasture]

I'm joking don't do that

[obsidian jetty]

yea idk, they don't specify the mastery to point conversion if it's 1:1 or not. I assume not

[maiden pasture]

It's a useless outdated sim

[stiff carbon]

25.861 = 22.1%

[obsidian jetty]

in game tooltip is not to be trusted

[stiff carbon]

that's fair

[royal zenith]

you'd need gastank for this

[stiff carbon]

tooltiops have been ass

[lone root]

Hey Guys. I got a Signet Priory in 671 and all my sims (5min - 1target) says that 671 HoC is NOT an upgrade but a 0.2% loss ? Is it weird or is it just me ? Should i sim on 6min to have a better view of HoC ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4y3CLSH2WcKEZwCgUSNvZC

[royal zenith]

but don't think them mastery numbers are updated or correct

[obsidian jetty]

shift in and out of boomy form and see for yourself why 💀

[stiff carbon]

lmeow

ok yea

[obsidian jetty]

yea I think 1 mastery point is 1% mastery (blizzard side not what you see)

but this article doesn't say how much mastery rating=1mastery point

just how much mastery point=actual mastery %

[maiden pasture]

Thats spec dependant right with it DR'ing at different points for specs or

[obsidian jetty]

Yes, but the article breaks down different specs mastery, just not the rating to %

[royal zenith]

I mean DR is kinda whatever anyway, even if it DR's at some point - mastery can still have more value for your spec than the other stats

that's why you sim

the information on "oh there's a cap of" is just a nice-to-know and won't really affect your decision making

[maiden pasture]

Yeah thinking about DR breakpoints is useless cause the robot will just tell you if it's worth anyway

[obsidian jetty]

yea, generally the only reason to know or study this info is to make sure it works correctly on raidbots lmao

[royal zenith]

unless you work religiously with specific caps (set by yourself)

[obsidian jetty]

you don't study this to make decisions on your character

[stiff carbon]

I miss ask mr robot

[obsidian jetty]

because the robot will just do better than 99% of ppl trying to math this out in their head

you just need the 1% of smart ppl to double check the robot

[jade flume]

Im smarter than robots

[maiden pasture]

WE are not smarter than robots @jade flume

When are they gonna buff us 😭

[stiff carbon]

have you seen the kind of hallucinations AI can spout?

[royal zenith]

yeah wonder why...

[mighty mica]

?

[royal zenith]

maybe cause it got fed info by humans...

who knows...

[obsidian jetty]

this looks like a stixs talent build, not sure if that's intentional

[maiden pasture]

Are they hallucinations or can your brain not comprehend what they're trying to tell you

[stiff carbon]

AI hallucinations happen when the model is not trained on that specific set of data so it will make up stuff

[obsidian jetty]

The ai is communicating with other ai, you wouldn't understand...

[stiff carbon]

true... sorry I don't speak binary

[jovial lodge]

01011001 01101111 01110101 00100111 01110010 01100101 00100000 01100110 01101111 01110010 01100111 01101001 01110110 01100101 01101110

[stiff carbon]

thank you now I can go to sleep happy

[vital hound]

?

[obsidian jetty]

😐

weird flex

[pallid bay]

power abuse

mods..

[balmy wharf]

Which one should I take from the vault? I have crafted 2h weapon and hero track of the same shoulders.

[weary galleon]

Sim it, for me this staff was dps loss when I had to choose. Might be different story for you

[hasty lichen]

Hello, I've got a mythic synergistic brewterializer as vault option, currently running heroic suspicious energy drink and heroic house of cards, why does brewterializer SIM higher than those and even higher compared to mythic wax candle, but isn't on any BIS trinket list?

[slender dragon]

guys if we can't get the galli chest, do we craft it and equip gloves?

[fleet hound]

what u guys think regarding trinkets from the dubloon?
im not a raider dont think house of cards or jester will be somehing i get since i dont raid

[golden belfry]

Sim breaks it without using a gcd

[golden belfry]

Can get both/either on hero track from doing normal raid

Probs

[fleet hound]

i mean the mythtrack is obvously best, and its hard to accuire when not raiding

[brazen pumice]

Buy Mug or HoC now for dinars or wait till the next week? Still hope for one of them in the vault

[golden belfry]

If you don't raid you're not getting either unless you pay for a mythic clear so

Get hero tracks if you want em

[fleet hound]

ye, were thinking the same. Its a tough spot when not myth raiding 😛

[golden belfry]

M+ hoc+jug, signet+jug, hoc+wax, signet+wax, hoc+drink, signet+drink

If you want myth priory 2m cd then take it

Prefer hoc personally

Can just send sooner

Yeah every other typically

[worthy helm]

hello e/o.do we go jastor pick above all meaning trinkets ?

[narrow fossil]

question to the convoke: still standing in melee because of spell prio or is this no longer needed?

[pallid bay]

you can probably argue for standing in range is better, neither is a big deal

[bronze tartan]

What's the fastest way to pug crests, 7s, 10s or 12s?

[fossil hemlock]

The highest key you can comfortably speed run

[royal zenith]

the fastest way or most efficient

[pallid bay]

gotta look at the crest per minute..

if you pug i dont think there's an answer really

[fossil hemlock]

See if you can join a crest farming group because time spent not looking for a new group is probably the biggest timesave

[jade flume]

Good luck pugging if u arent 690 ilvl and 4k raio

[pallid bay]

press N and spec guardian if you pug

run it down whatever lvl u feel comfortable on

[split quiver]

Anyone has a list of most important sooth targets ?

Like bloodhorn in top

[bronze tartan]

Hmmm I only know balance and reston in M+, I haven't tanked ok S2 yet

[split quiver]

Thank you very much

[plush prairie]

So what items did people decide to take

[tawdry geyser]

Just do 10s and fill your vault same time 10s are pretty much impossible not to time

[sudden flame]

12s give 20 crests 10s give like 12

[pallid bay]

10s give 16 crests..

[split quiver]

We can now upgrade further and farm unlimited crest right ?

[tawdry geyser]

Yeah I think 10s is the go to tbh fills vault super quick as you still get affix buffs

[delicate perch]

that sounds insanely worse

[sudden flame]

the question is why do raid bosses give 10

[jade flume]

Boss fights take 3 mins and dungeons take 30

[obsidian jetty]

if you got a group of good homies, can do 12s very fast

think we did a cinderbrew in like 19m

[jade flume]

Im logging off if someone says we go cinderbrew

Some things are not worth it

[obsidian jetty]

jk, 20

[tawdry geyser]

Pugs won’t do that

[obsidian jetty]

😐

[tawdry geyser]

If you solo farming either que for a group farming or just spam 10s imo

[jade flume]

I wish i had good homies, or any homies

[livid jay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kYhjG7zu6UyCQUVSVEVLVS

circlet getting outsimmed?

[pallid bay]

the outsimming in question

[glacial sapphire]

it was probably answered (tried to search through chat), if i dont intend to do mythic raids and can only get hero track mug/hoc, i gotta go for the myth track signet/wax from dinars? tried sims but inconclusive. doing m+ only

[livid jay]

i mean once u got all other upgrades with crests done this would mean u replace it 😄

[pallid bay]

not really

[livid jay]

why

stamina also good

[pallid bay]

you can for sure replace it but that sim dosnt mean that you automatically do

[royal zenith]

holy moly a sidegrade

crazy outsimming

[pallid bay]

i would probably swap it out though

[fossil hemlock]

Nice embellishments

[pallid bay]

💀

[livid jay]

well yea its a work in progress character

also not mine, guildies

as im stuck at work and still ilvl 674

[jade flume]

Imagine workin

[cloud plover]

5k dps aint bad

no flame

but thats an absolute easy swap out if its 5k

[gentle patio]

I can finaly delete circlet

[cloud plover]

wait wtf are u the same fayntix from stormwall in bfa

[gentle patio]

Yes

who are you?

[cloud plover]

shadow priest, xelnya 😔

[gentle patio]

Ohhh hi

[cloud plover]

thats sick now i know at least two stormwall people are still playing

reuniting soontm

[gentle patio]

I'd wish, that guild spoiled me forever

[plush prairie]

omg are you the same fayntix from stormwall in bfa?

[gentle patio]

am I popular?

[plush prairie]

I remember you

[tacit cedar]

Hey, Im just running some sims and im seeing that myth track Signet is simming higher than hero track House of Cards for 3, 4 and 5 min fights. Im quite surprised by that, I would have though house would still come out on top, does that sound right to everyone?

[cloud plover]

many ilvl extra = good

[plush prairie]

You were the guy that owed me 5mil and said "in 2 expansions i'll give you all that gold back I promise" i'm still waiting 3 expac later

[gentle patio]

[cloud plover]

[plush prairie]

I'm unsure what to take tbf

Hoping that I can kill mythic bandit this week

or next and buy hoc

[jade flume]

Hoc is not bad

[plush prairie]

that's if I'm able to kill it

if not i'll be lost

[jovial sigil]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aaCM3zXEVWLTT2sNfXfxdN mine doesn't want to be replaced with myth mastery/vers wheel 😦

[river depot]

Hello, i have a quick question that i cannot find an answer to in the resources / guides. Does the elemental focusing lens embellishment only work if you have a gem in the item that the embellishment is on? Or is it working with all gems socketed into every gear piece? Ty in advance

[scarlet tapir]

can we not read anymore 🥀

[sudden flame]

every gem socket

[river depot]

tyvm!

[carmine relic]

I don't think anything outsims circlet at the moment outside of turbo myth Jastor's

[plush prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/big-daddy-gif-26947716

[coral rapids]

logically it makes sense to skip one of the trinkets with chips (probably jug) if you have access to all the pieces on mythic right? rare stuff seems less likely to attain normally. sims support this too but just in the long term

this is for mythic raid/title range keys

[maiden pasture]

What are you thinking about skipping? Why does it make sense to skip any?

[coral rapids]

taking jastors/best in slots/cards, skip jug (probably) - limited to 3 purchases right

ideally loot one but ofc but not guaranteed

[maiden pasture]

up to you, I personally would just take what Sims the highest

Your final dinar will be in like 6 weeks, plenty of time to see if something drops

[coral rapids]

yeah ive got heroic cards and jug atm so its best in slots and jastors. jastors is best by about double but guide had it as lowest prio so just overthought it ig

[solar patrol]

Duskthread Lining or Elemental Focusing Lens? For both M+/Raid, how big is the diff

[lucid olive]

Negligible in ST and duskthread better in aoe

[solar patrol]

Ait, figured but wanted to make sure, ty

[gentle matrix]

What is the best way to sim the djnar pieces to figure out what to buy?

[lucid olive]

Droptimizer has a cartel chip feature

[gentle matrix]

Ah ok

[lucid olive]

But should factor in embellishment recrafts when valuing best-in-slots

[scarlet tapir]

HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH

give me!!!

@maiden pasture this shit better than jastor

[errant blade]

which one realistically edges out in value for recraft with best-in-slots - duskthread or lens?

[scarlet tapir]

depends on content

full st probably lens

if its for keys + every other boss

is probably duskthread

[royal zenith]

sus

[scarlet tapir]

jastor was only 40k...

[errant blade]

i do both M raid (on mugzee atm) and keys so yeah im not sure

[royal zenith]

what did you do to your stats!!

[scarlet tapir]

nothing..., deva just wants a lost of haste

[royal zenith]

haven't actually simmed in on my dragon

[native pecan]

hey, any advice how to sim this>

error occured, im stupid so idk what to do

[royal zenith]

will probably be the same for me, except I have jastor

[scarlet tapir]

me too bro..

its equiped...

but my other ring is champion track...

bringing my ilvl down

could be 683 by now

[lucid olive]

Ye take another route

Priory MDT export is weird

[tawdry zephyr]

Why is Neural Synapse Enhancer not considered a better weapon than the crafted one ? Stats are what we need and the on-use could be activated on our 2nd Fury of Elune

[maiden pasture]

wtf is ur ring

what is it replacing

[lucid olive]

It has lower primary stat to compensate for the on-use

[gentle matrix]

is it reliable to compare the dps gain of a 671 trinket to a 684 trinket from 2 seperate droptimizers to determine what to take? i cannot buy myth track raid trinkets so trying to figure out if hero track jug and house of cards is better than myth track signet and wax

[lucid olive]

And our cooldowns don't line up and arent strong enough for Synapse Enhancer to be worth it

[tawdry zephyr]

Ahhh! Thank you, did not see that!

[livid jay]

use topgear

[gentle matrix]

how do I insert those pieces into top gear? if i dont have them

[livid jay]

in the top theres a search bar

just need to enter the correct ilvl next to it

[gentle matrix]

ohh ok, sorry not used to raidbots much

[livid jay]

np

[wheat widget]

please tell me your result

[unique kraken]

from looking into the chinese R1 chinese druid, should I enter eclipse before popping incarn ?

[calm rock]

Hello 🙂
I started playing Boomkin last week and now i have a question about spending my cartel chip.
Have seen that some guides reccomend buying Best in Slots also on Hero track, when you are not raiding mythic. Others say only buy it on mythic. Isnt the on use way better than few more ilvl from mythic weapon? Or how should i spend my cartel chips?
I thought about Galliwix HC Ring, Best in Slots and maybe Wax on myth track. I'm only playing M+

[lucid olive]

what guides recommend best in slots on heroic

[calm rock]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/balance-druid-pve-dps-gear-best-in-slot

[eternal marten]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fpMTgEPp1skgLew6maabzB

I am not sure if I sim properly to compare priory mythic track and house of card hero track. How should I sim to be more accurate for MM+ ?

[calm rock]

The wowhead guide says only the mythic best in slots it worth to pick

[sudden flame]

needs a disclaimer that it should be mythic tbh

[scarlet tapir]

I know high priority and heroic seem close but nice try! It doesnt mean that!

[lucid olive]

wowhead is right

[sudden flame]

but it should be a given

[calm rock]

So then i'll go for craftet staff instead?

[lucid olive]

i don't see anything on there that suggest it's specifically heroic version

[lucid olive]

yes

[calm rock]

What's better for m+, ascendance or 2x lense?

[lofty depot]

All embells are shit

Lens I think just gives less value than the duskthread

[calm rock]

For me it's very confusing

[delicate perch]

what's confusing there

[cloud plover]

okay what confuses you

[delicate perch]

lovely

[cloud plover]

do you think people look at wowhead and go "wow this info is for m+ only"

[delicate perch]

I am now confused thanks

[lofty depot]

Is that archon

[calm rock]

Jea, but i dont know now what to craft for M+

[calm rock]

jea

[lofty depot]

Cuz we don't acknowledge archon here

Please refrain ty

[eager raft]

What do you think archon is

[lofty depot]

It's like u, fucking useless

[mighty mica]

data aggregate, it's bad

[cloud plover]

a hero talent tree for shadow

[eager raft]

it’s literally just data aggregation

[mighty mica]

yes

[jolly delta]

archon||deez nuts||

[eager raft]

It can’t hurt you

[cloud plover]

and its incredibly senseless

[loud kettle]

you dont know my situation respectable

[eager raft]

??? It’s just data there doesn’t need to be sense to it

[cloud plover]

top 3 shadow priests are not shadow priests at all they're disc priests

good data!!

[jolly delta]

There does

If people are using it to make decisions

[eager raft]

ok

[calm rock]

So if i understand that correctly for low keys and for getting in double lense, and for higher keys then the lining with versa?

[mighty mica]

same reason subcreation and wowmeta aren't looked at

[lofty depot]

There's no reason to have different embells for those situations

[cloud plover]

pick one and stick with one

[lofty depot]

Play double vers

[calm rock]

Thank you very much

And if i unterstand it correctly, Blazikon Wax+Priory on mythic track is better to get than house of cards+mug zee hero

[jolly delta]

Like I understand where you're coming from but if the majority of people are making wrong decisions based on the data just because it's picked out of context, maybe we should protect people from doing so

[lofty depot]

Also even if that was a reliable dataset, idk why u would follow what 4.8% of the 17+population is doing, when more people are running vers at higher.

And then ignore the 48% still running ascension

[craggy sonnet]

The guy was also posting out of the wowhead guide

Which recommended double lens

[delicate perch]

do not protect low IQ

[jolly delta]

L take

[cold sedge]

We replacing cyrce’s or nah still the best?

[craggy sonnet]

Could be close depending on your setup

[lofty depot]

Read the pin

[craggy sonnet]

Just sim it and consider the stamina diff

[cold sedge]

Word thank you

[lucid olive]

mfer stays updated since i changed the pin like an hour ago

[lofty depot]

Type shit

This is why I say read pin. So gamz takes blame if something is wrong

[vital hound]

pins dont work

tbf

[carmine prawn]

Any thoughts on Myth Signet vs Hero HoC? Apparently signet simming higher but would get less uses over a fight/dungeon due to 1.5 min cds?

[lucid olive]

@mighty mica can remove this pin

[mighty mica]

[lucid olive]

probably the folty one as well

[lofty depot]

If it sims higher in the amount of time in the sim, what's the problem

[carmine prawn]

Well the problem is some sims don’t tell the entire story ^^ not sure if simming wrong etc. but surely as a 1.5 min spec we value lining up a timely eveytime vs signet on 2 min? Didn’t know if sim trap ::

[lofty depot]

We're not a 1.5m spec

And the phrase "sim bait" or "sim trap" is over used and has lost meaning

[jovial sigil]

we ate not really but hoc feels more flexible in dungeon, currently playing with priory mythic and it kinda feels bad

[jolly delta]

we're a 3-(min(15,prev-new)) spec

please delete cotd

[lofty depot]

Gonna delete bamkin

[lucid olive]

where timeline

[vital hound]

he said

cant get it done

then refused help

[eager raft]

It’s impossible

can’t be done

[vital hound]

vinter add bis to timelines pls

thank

[lofty depot]

Timeline is bis already

[jolly delta]

i can push my code and you can implement the event based parsing

[lucid olive]

@jolly delta did you see the new raidplan tool some guy worked on that he posted sneak peek of on compwow

[jolly delta]

can send you my notes

[vital hound]

can i ai it

[jolly delta]

nope

[vital hound]

[jolly delta]

doesnt work

tried it

[vital hound]

gg

i cant help

[jolly delta]

shit's too complicated so ai produces garbage results

[vital hound]

outside of criticizing design

[vital hound]

just heard thyme brick up in the distance

[lucid olive]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1kkucma/working_on_a_new_raidplanner_animations_live/

[jolly delta]

pretty cool

[lofty depot]

Animations 👀

[scarlet tapir]

Didnt know that u were consistently sending ur cds on keys. Surely theres no downtime between packs or whatever

[lofty depot]

Then gamz can show how they bait drills in raid plan properly

[scarlet tapir]

Keys but its actually patchwork

[lucid olive]

deadge

[eager raft]

twist I’m glad I didn’t listen to u

[lucid olive]

killed Sprocket in alt raid last night

drill baits were immaculate

[eager raft]

I simmed dinar and tiny pal was like the most 6th best upgrade

[lofty depot]

Is tiny pal ur peen or?

[eager raft]

u tried to trick me

[scarlet tapir]

Ofc bro

I pray on ur downfall

[lucid olive]

the new warlock genius

[lofty depot]

Better parses than respectablew

[jolly delta]

looks inside
fabric.js wrapper

[eager raft]

I’m just glad you care enough to think of me

[eager raft]

I might be the worse warlock player in wow history

So that’s not a big accomplishment

[lofty depot]

But still an accomplishment

[scarlet tapir]

I gained 50k from jastor...

If i get bis, and roulette i gain almost 90k...

Ill sim 3.2M or something

[lofty depot]

3.2m......

[scarlet tapir]

3.2mmmmm

So low bro

[lucid olive]

my warlock was 634 ilvl 5 days ago and now 669 with 5/8 mythic

[lofty depot]

Need to nerf dev man

[lucid olive]

making moves

[scarlet tapir]

Should be 4 mill

And then u add another 200k from pi gg

[lofty depot]

Gonna lose another bamkin expert to lock roulette wheel :/

[jolly delta]

[scarlet tapir]

@eager raft should i play spriest next tier?

And make people pay for each pi

Tips welcome

[lucid olive]

huh

[eager raft]

yes

[royal zenith]

flaunting the fact you get boosted by guild

[lofty depot]

It's good this tier, so it's gonna be ass next tier

[royal zenith]

sounds a bit like my prog-experience

[scarlet tapir]

Its not that good this tier

Spriest is always good every tier no?

[lofty depot]

Cluu

[scarlet tapir]

In raid

Its mid now

[lucid olive]

nobody else wanted to play warlock in alt raid 😦

i been playing warrior until now

[lofty depot]

Mid is crazy talk

[scarlet tapir]

It is mid...

[lofty depot]

Ur mid

Fuggn dork

[eager raft]

spriest is good on like 1 boss

[royal zenith]

the real endboss of this raid yea

[scarlet tapir]

Most of the spriests cant put the dmg they can in theory do

[eager raft]

other bosses it is mid

[scarlet tapir]

And u cant deny it

[lofty depot]

Well u would be most priests in this scenario

So bad

[scarlet tapir]

For sure...

[eager raft]

twist has been good at everything he’s ever played

[scarlet tapir]

Real

[eager raft]

He would be a fantastic shadow priest

[scarlet tapir]

W glazing

But it's true

[eager raft]

🙂

[lofty depot]

Rat can only disintegrate

[scarlet tapir]

I barely press desintegrate

[lucid olive]

flameshaper is so boring

[scarlet tapir]

SC is way more boring

[lofty depot]

What the

[lucid olive]

scalecommander is great

[eager raft]

why are you trying to evade automod?

[lofty depot]

Fuck automod

On jah

[eager raft]

I feel like that should be bannable…

[scarlet tapir]

You when u have to start pre casting at 4 secs to peak 6 mill on opener on a good day meanwhile i press 3 buttons and im at 20M...

....

[eager raft]

Think he means playstyle

[royal zenith]

think I do prefer Scalecommander over Flameshaper

[eager raft]

Mass disintegrate cool

[lucid olive]

yeah 3 buttons that all feel like shit to press

[scarlet tapir]

I mean scalecommander feels good on cleage

[eager raft]

No mass disintegrate not cool

[scarlet tapir]

Cause of mass desintegrate

[royal zenith]

mass dis bis

[scarlet tapir]

Single target mass desintegrate doesnt geel good

[plush prairie]

is this druid discord or evoker

[lucid olive]

Twist definition of good gameplay = looking at details

classic

[royal zenith]

it's kinda lame that you press 2 buttons to consume a flame and you burst for 20mil

[jolly delta]

What’s up with the Druid discord? Balance channel especially is just non stop off topic conversations. The past 20+ minutes of messages should be in off topic or general. I came here looking for recent chatter in the class. druid discord could stand to be a little stricter with moderation because sometimes it feels like the off-topic channel is unused redundant. nicest thing i can say about that i've been here since prepatch started and sometimes its like trying to talk over a party

[royal zenith]

not very exciting

[lofty depot]

We talk about lunch sometimes

[royal zenith]

the damage itself is nice, obv

[plush prairie]

most important part of the game, cannot do a key where I am not top dps (thankfully always happens to be top dps guess im just that pro)

[lofty depot]

Or u play with shitters

[lucid olive]

I heard people coping about Flameshaper being hard or whatever but the spender and Living Flame dots just perma upkeep no

[scarlet tapir]

Thats why i wanna play something else next tier. No shot deva is this good again and i dont wanna play aug. Ive been doing on keys so i dont die on cd cause of aggro and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy

[lucid olive]

just fire breath for the last one

[plush prairie]

I play with multi rank 1s

I'm just better

[royal zenith]

yeah the aggro makes it even more cringe

[scarlet tapir]

If u dont play well they fall off before u press ur shit

[lofty depot]

Dwilkz is a rank1

And he's a shitter, so my point stands

[carmine prawn]

What a silly comment lol. You run trinkets for best case scenarios. Sure some dungeons you have downtime on packs etc but forgive me for wanting the optimal scenario for my 1.5 min CDs. 💀

It’s the same with MM Hunter, Hero HoC is far and above better than Myth Signet and they are a 1.5 min cd spec (roughly).

Sorry I asked… 😑

[lucid olive]

what 1.5m cd do you have

[scarlet tapir]

Mm is not a 1.5 min spec

Cause of cdr

[plush prairie]

real and true, no matter what character I play i'm top

[scarlet tapir]

Ur playing a 1.7m cd class

U have downtime

Most of the times u just hold a bit for trinket

So what

[lucid olive]

not even that

technically you're playing a 200 second spec

[plush prairie]

look at this @lofty depot made an oopsie, crafted my ring and forgot to claim in my bag, went into a dungeon still top dps

maybe i'm r1 outlaw

[lucid olive]

you just have a 100s window to pick when you want to use your cooldowns

and if your trinket cooldown is longer than 100s you can send your cooldowns and still have it back up for trinket

[pallid bay]

dont let him gaslight you

[lucid olive]

too late i am gaslit

[lofty depot]

Yea that mm is rank1 sandbagger

[trail anvil]

any WAs for raid single target builds ?

[plush prairie]

he pressed multishot 26x in that dungeon

[lofty depot]

And ur rank1 at doing +6s

[plush prairie]

i'm low ilvl cuh

[lucid olive]

Weakaura section at bottom of Compendium has link to packs

[plush prairie]

want my to drop my boomie logs

[trail anvil]

thanks

[scarlet tapir]

....

[plush prairie]

rank1 boomie here

[eager raft]

on GOD

[carmine prawn]

Which is why I said roughly. They DEFO was HoC vs Signet

[plush prairie]

😢

[carmine prawn]

This.

Which is why I thought optimally a 1.5 min trinket is better. Like every here non 2 min spec (or also all, including MM which is < 1.5 min cd and doesn’t like signet)

[scarlet tapir]

Out of context

Doesnt count

[lofty depot]

Very much in context

[scarlet tapir]

Time flies tho. Feels like that was yesterday

And its been 2 years

[lucid olive]

like for your timings it doesn't really matter if you take HoC or Priory because your cooldowns are on a charge system and both will line up eventually without you losing a use

[lofty depot]

I know 😭

[carmine prawn]

Yeh I suppose that makes sense. With 2 charges you can always send the 2 min on one of them. Would you guys ever recommend double on use with double incarn?

[lucid olive]

thats technically what best-in-slots is

[lofty depot]

Funny mdi people were only using BIS and not 2 on use

[jade flume]

Is bis bis

[lucid olive]

sure

[jade flume]

Ty

[lucid olive]

also heck you guys for taking our healer looq

[jade flume]

Did we yoinked someone

[carmine prawn]

Was just about to say 🤣 but then I don’t do myth raid on OAB so hero versions meh 😦

[jade flume]

Project yoinked from us first tbf, blame them

[carmine prawn]

Interesting!

[lucid olive]

ye you're yoinking tuna

[jade flume]

As einstein said every action has a reaction

Or sth like that

[lucid olive]

whos einstein

is he 8/8m

[lofty depot]

So who is gamz yoinking then

[jade flume]

The guy on the wheelchair

Who likes space

[lucid olive]

no thats khadgar

[jade flume]

Fair

[lucid olive]

we pick any of the healers from the 10 HoF guilds that disbanded after Gally prog

[lofty depot]

Should've picked up jdot

[lucid olive]

he went to NA

[lofty depot]

Smh

[crisp oar]

Mythic signet is simming better than Hero HOC. Is that probably because I have higher mastery?

[lucid olive]

sure

[lofty depot]

Depends on the sim, I could make it sim worse if u want