balance

[pastel stirrup]

8 clears of vault/hc raid - worth buying moxie jug hc or wait? Currently 5/8M

[brittle tapir]

How close to oab kill? i'd probaly buy bis or wax/skardyn in your situation, but i'd sim first

[pastel stirrup]

Far

[brittle tapir]

684 wax and skardyn was simming higher than hc muggers for me

[pastel stirrup]

Still using champion hoc atm too

[arctic rampart]

Skardyn is in the pool ?

[obsidian jetty]

I havn't checked ptr, but the vendor is probably similar to the old one where you just buy the normal iL item and upgrade it to max iL. With the upgrade track just being gated til you get the kill/requirement.

[brittle tapir]

Diff skardyn

Rookery skardyn

[obsidian jetty]

so not like buying a heroic mug (if it sims ok to do so,) will be a huge downside if you're going to kill mugzee eventually. But just wait and see, and sim it when it's out

[brittle tapir]

Could also just wait for oab kill

I assume you have wep emb rn

Sim with 2x duskthread and bis

[sudden estuary]

myth priory trinket or hero house of cards for m+?

[obsidian jetty]

small minmax to allow for 1 stack dreamstate when you enter your ecl after a pull

don't really gotta play around it, just happens or doesn't, for tiny gain sometimes

[brittle tapir]

This is not the case iirc

[obsidian jetty]

if you wrath with no dreamstate, then wrath with dreamstate, you enter ecl, but have 1 left

when you enter combat, it will give you 2 stacker

so it's just an out of combat, precast min max

[true viper]

Gn

[scenic mist]

Hi there
did any of you guys figure out a way to not suffer (or reduce the pain to a minimum) from the immune drones in MugZee encounter ? Both my trees and my convoke are going full stupid mode on them and it's hurting me to my core

[obsidian jetty]

depends if you want the pad answer, or the ethical answer.

[brittle tapir]

pad? theyre immune

[valid goblet]

I mean tree melee dmg is whatever and convoke sends starsurges and moons to your primary target

[obsidian jetty]

pad answer is hold 1:15 treants for 1:45 and voke into the adds when they get broken, instead of 2m when the new set comes down. Can target boss while doing this for half ethical.

[valid goblet]

So a random wrath or moonfire on them is whatever

[obsidian jetty]

random wrath on them is not w/e

wrath hits very hard, and procs dreamburst

[valid goblet]

Bro it is. You can't lose your mind over min maxing convoking on that fight where you're supposed to have specific positioning

[valid goblet]

Pad dmg lol

[scenic mist]

not getting my moonfire refreshed on the boss is also very triggering

[valid goblet]

That it is

[scenic mist]

doing this i can't cd on the 4min lust 😢

[obsidian jetty]

sure you can

if you want to CD 4m lust, you're holding CD either way

[scenic mist]

oh yeah i read it too fast, the idea is lose a tree to get 30sec early convoke

[scenic mist]

i'm...not ?

voke pull + 2min + 4min

[obsidian jetty]

are you not running control of the dream?

[scenic mist]

2min voke takes advantage of control

just waiting for trees

[fossil hemlock]

Your convoke is back up at 1:45

[scenic mist]

yeah

[obsidian jetty]

ok, well your CD is 0, 1:45, 3:45

[fossil hemlock]

Then 3:45

[scenic mist]

+15sec of control

= voke on 2min = no loss

[fossil hemlock]

3:45 + 15 sec is?

[delicate perch]

@vital hound

[scenic mist]

pull = trees/ca/voke
30sec trees back again -> send with ca
1min15 trees -> send
-> 2min trees -> send with convoke (been up for 15sec, just the control amount) + CA

next voke up at 3.45, get 15sec of control, tadaaaa voke at 4min no loss

[fossil hemlock]

Recruitie is talking about being unethical and doing 0, 30, 1:45 then whatever trees into convoke at 4min

If you convoke at 1:45 or 2:00 you still have convoke back at 3:45 and you can then hold it for 15 seconds until 4 min

[scenic mist]

yeah yeah, i agreed to that earlier,

[obsidian jetty]

well, tbh, if you're pushing boss correctly or stopping dps, p1 boss dmg is irrelevant. So technically ethical is subjective here

here's the CDs I did for my kill

[scenic mist]

with a boost it's kinda sketch when we have a death tbh

[obsidian jetty]

had 2 CA+voke+hoc in lust

[scenic mist]

hence the dps hunt

[scenic mist]

yeah i dont want to hold my 2nd ca charge cause we are tight being 19

[obsidian jetty]

surely next reset you won't be

[sudden flame]

wont be tight next reset

[obsidian jetty]

with all the iL+vendor

[scenic mist]

but i had hoped some of you had a secret take "spawn trees facing the sun and it'll go well"

[obsidian jetty]

but yea, that 2nd CA is more minor last phase boss dam vs first phase, so doesn't matter which you choose

[scenic mist]

true that

in prog i kept my 2 charges for the 5min burst ofc

[obsidian jetty]

only thing that will help is positioning. In opener you can stand far away from them on dirt side, if you voke at 1:45 you can stand far from the furthest one so it only hits the close add while it's broken, and it dies pfast anyways, so might not even get 1 cast on it

last phase is wonky since the bombs can still be up around like 6:30ish iirc, but I try to wait til after those bombs are soaked, and the adds are broken

[fossil hemlock]

[known:inserttalentnamehere] iirc

[vital hound]

what on earth

is that yap

[obsidian jetty]

but might even skip that part of the fight next week

[delicate perch]

arguing with recruitie over boss dam

[royal zenith]

we arguing with recruitie?

pull up

[scenic mist]

i am this dog

[livid jay]

get 1 cast off challenge:

https://warcraftrecorder.com/link/a653148c-9127-429c-960f-ac83badf8856

[delicate perch]

imagine EC there

[vital hound]

he doesnt know

[scenic mist]

i mean you can just @cursor

they'll run to your target

[delicate perch]

defs not a knower

[scenic mist]

just lose a bit of uptime but you dont seem to mind since you're looking for a @player

i mean

it does damage

[obsidian jetty]

@target might work 🤷

[scenic mist]

doesnt since end of MOP iirc

[jolly delta]

hopefully end of this week

[obsidian jetty]

try it

[scenic mist]

no need for ;

[obsidian jetty]

gg

[obsidian jetty]

am I suppose to know?

[scenic mist]

my gally kill yesterday

they did 30M melee damage

[delicate perch]

I would hope so people arguing with a multi r1 boss dammer about boss dam

[scenic mist]

prob just drops half damage in the worst case scenario so not catastrophic (15M in a 9min encounter), still a minmax

[vital hound]

lfg

need help?

[jolly delta]

need energy and motivation

also lots of shit to do at work

[royal zenith]

hope so, else it's not much of a job

[scenic mist]

i guess not, but a man can dream : with turbo boost will very rares be auto upgraded to the 8/8 track ?

[obsidian jetty]

doubt it

[scenic mist]

god, have mercy

[quiet drift]

Lock in

Dungeons are calling

[pallid bay]

[hollow mist]

I'm in the mood for 100 +12 keys

[vapid mango]

With us having to recraft basically everything, was there any definitive route for embellishments if you're pretty much a m+ player at this point? I've been ascendance since the start, figured i'd check if I go dawnthread now or something

[jade flume]

Im so hyped for tomorrow

Gonna pump

[vapid mango]

also yay heroic jastor (because no deep mythic prog )

[scenic mist]

i believe duskthread is in order

[vapid mango]

might be yea

[scenic mist]

about that, does anyone know how it works if you buy a hero track jastor for instance, then kill Myth Gally, can you freely upgrade the jastor to MM or do you have to spend 3 coins on another jastor ?

[river zenith]

are u rank 1 boomie yet

[vapid mango]

I don't think its intuitive(?)

I'm going with the assumption that its not

however I could be wrong

[jade flume]

Forced to play resto gg

[scenic mist]

so am i

[vapid mango]

its just better that way imo

assume the worst if its not the case neat

whats funny is I was just wondering about circlet, but its already been updated lol

[obsidian jetty]

the last vendor sold normal iL items that you had to upgrade. But we shall see when it goes live

it would make sense that it would be the same, with boss kills unlocking the items track to be upgradable, but never know with them.

[jade flume]

I hope they are same ilvl as raid drops

So i dont have to upgrade jastor

Otherwise im fuked

[obsidian jetty]

just wouldn't make sense for ppl who havn't already done the content

making ppl buy the same item 2 times, or hold their coins forever is silly

[jade flume]

Blizz is silly tho

[vapid mango]

wouldn't your upgrade be free? or I guess valorstones only

[obsidian jetty]

if that's how it's implemented, gg noobs

[jade flume]

Pi is still in the game and aug too

[vapid mango]

[jade flume]

Why would it

[scenic mist]

true but then again, this being a bad luck protection instead of a catch up mechanic, i'm afraid they wont go deep into the "let's not have friction"

[jade flume]

My highest ring is 658

Dont have crest reduction for it

[vapid mango]

oh okay, I see what you mean

mb

[obsidian jetty]

simply craft ring. I wonder if that recraft "feature" still exists

[scenic mist]

doesnt

[obsidian jetty]

gg

craft 1, loot random oab ring out of vault for other

[jade flume]

I have crafted 1 already

But still my 2nd best is 658

It is what it is tho, gonna find out soon

[obsidian jetty]

it's right there

[jade flume]

If i have to do 10 extra dungeons to upgrade the ring or not

[obsidian jetty]

free crests just waiting for you to loot

[jade flume]

I want the cauldron ring tho, buyer stole it last time

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/mhm-mhmm-sure-thing-sure-doubt-gif-22192499

[jade flume]

On god

[sudden flame]

kinda funny our entire raid wanted to be on one armed bandit reclear until we got a buyer then its like nahh no point lmao

[royal zenith]

it was me

I was the buyer

[jade flume]

I knew it

[lusty anvil]

What is the command to not use 2 charge of celestial ?

use ! on macro ?

[scenic mist]

this is the command :
you shall not spam

[lusty anvil]

Very helpful

[scarlet tapir]

Ur already were without buying......

[hollow mist]

damn twist

[clear crow]

/castsequence reset=3 celestial alignment; null Should work

[lusty anvil]

Ok thanks !

[zealous mural]

Are there any buffs/nerfs coming to Boomy with the patch today?

[lucid olive]

No

[zealous mural]

Been so long since I played boomy, just getting back into it. Is there a plater profile that shows a different color for mobs that don't have sunfire/moonfire?

[delicate perch]

Very helpful

[royal zenith]

[lucid olive]

Is this before or after love thy neighbor?

[scenic mist]

you must love your neighbor as you love your feathers

unconditionnaly

[vital hound]

incorrect

vibes are up

[mighty thicket]

Has anyone been able to test around a bit with the belt? Will it be good enough to take a slot and should we craft somewhere else

[scenic mist]

belt and gloves/feet have the same stat budget, so you could craft either of these
and the final ilvl of the belt is 700 iirc ? will most probably be bis but it's too early to tell, with the tuning still being in progress

[scarlet tapir]

what is my chinese tank doing

he just dunked the 6 bombs alone there

they spawned on the same place

[jade flume]

Goat

[maiden pasture]

Bros tryna push keys and doesn't know the tech....

[scarlet tapir]

they dont tank there ususally

also i learned that u can sigil of chains the bombs

to put them all in the same place

he did it

[maiden pasture]

That's just the spot that spawns them all together

Yoda has a video on it

[scenic mist]

damn does it mean we can vortex them too ?

[scarlet tapir]

probably

[scenic mist]

they do spawn from the boss, right ?

[scarlet tapir]

yea

[craggy sonnet]

Are you sure he sigil'd them?

Doesn't seem to me like they are tagged as mobs at all

[fossil hemlock]

Well neither are the bombs on Gally adds and vortex works on those

[scenic mist]

i mean

they do have a health bar

at least in Mythic

[civic junco]

So what's everybody's plans for their dinars?

[leaden birch]

heroic jastor diamond

[scenic mist]

you have the recommended general order pined by Gamz 😉
but ultimatly it will depend on what gear you have missing and what you can buy

[jade flume]

Bis in slots, id buy mythic jastor if i had it unlocked tho

[civic junco]

I simmed mine a few days ago, but, I wanted to see if there was emerging wisdom. I think my sims align with Gamz

[signal temple]

Praying for good Vaults for the homies

[swift crater]

I got Best in Slot from kill (currently on Mugzee) and had planned to grab first dinar House of Cards, then last two on Moxie and Jester ring

RL saying though he's looking at folks to vent a dinar on Heroic Jester ring since it could be a bigger deal for those folks, and those that do wil lget prio on the mythic one if it drops, super confused

[orchid ember]

wut

[scenic mist]

if you're going for the rankings, i guess he has a point
it's an incentive to not wait too long before redeeming your dinar, and end the progress asap
ig using dinar on the best upgrade possible is smart if you are looking at it short-mid term

[jade flume]

You could literally see only handful of rings through all of farm

I wouldnt take that gamble

[orchid ember]

If you're close to starting gally prog or going to kill gally soon, no point buying a heroic one

[royal zenith]

you need gear to kill these bosses though

[orchid ember]

Spend your first dinar on something else and by the time you've got second dinar you probably already killed gally

[royal zenith]

unless your end-goal is max ilvl

but I'd assume it's killing gallywix

[scenic mist]

for MugZee sure, for Gally i'd argue not

[orchid ember]

Nah just saying you probably have better first dinar options on mythic track compared to sending your first dinar on a heroic item

[royal zenith]

for sure, but gear is a means to an end

not the other way around

[craggy sonnet]

What's the diff in upgrade between M HoC and H jastor tho

[scenic mist]

defo, what i said before was as a short/mid term option, heroic jastor is a go imo

[royal zenith]

but I also think

that there's no rush at all

any rank you would get rn is irrelevant

and you still get boost from ilvl + raid buff

[jade flume]

All ranks are irrelevant

[scenic mist]

ranks help you recruit tho

[royal zenith]

there's zero rush in getting these items

getting heroic jastor on people won't net you 200 ranks extra

[jade flume]

Bribe them

[scenic mist]

i need the money to buy full t3

[royal zenith]

basically; the usage of dinars on heroic item is just a feelsbad moment

and won't actually affect your prog

gl

[jade flume]

Need is a very strong word there

[scenic mist]

no no

it's precisly the right word

[jade flume]

T3 is garbonzo

[scenic mist]

[scarlet tapir]

u dont actually need Myth track stuff to get a r1 or do r1 keys

so if u dont have access to myth just take hc

[pallid bay]

bis sprocket and roulette wheel

[livid jay]

sprocket what?

[lofty depot]

Cloak

[sudden flame]

cloakk probs

[livid jay]

ah

[orchid ember]

Isn't wheel not on the vendor

[sudden flame]

true isn't it only like effect stuff

[orchid ember]

Nah

It's basically all raid weapons, trinkets, cantrips and very rares

normal jewelry isn't on the list

[digital berry]

How long is the extendo gonna be today chat

[orchid ember]

too long

[livid jay]

but roulette wheel isnt normal

it gives +1 Luck

[clever ibex]

Where is the new vendor?

[ebon parcel]

hi
is there a Dinar purchase guide for boomie?

[livid jay]

just sim yourself on whats best to get

[ebon parcel]

ok i just saw the pinned message. ty

[sudden estuary]

Hey guys, what's better: Myth track priory trinket or hero track House of Cards for m+ ?

[lofty depot]

Did u sim it

[zealous mural]

Don't sims for m+ not really tell you anything?

Tells you ST but nothing else

[civic junco]

You can sim ST, AoE, and you can even do advanced M+ sims with specific routes. Lots of ways to get data and triangulate an answer.

[lofty depot]

"nothing else" is certainly a way of taking it I guess

U can run a st sim and take context from it pretty easily

I suppose Buddy isn't gonna answer tho

[eager raft]

how would you know

[lofty depot]

Twist only does r1 keys

[scarlet tapir]

how would YOU know

[eager raft]

My body is a machine that turns wow content into rank 1s

[digital berry]

Where

https://tenor.com/view/oogway-cotr-turtle-gif-24251592

[scarlet tapir]

delete tjat

also why are u not playing mm @eager raft

so bad

[slim iris]

You guys should grow up

[digital berry]

Just banter innit

[eager raft]

on my other character

The one that is the same class you play

[slim iris]

No

You’re mad

[digital berry]

I was respectables number one fan and groupie yesterday during stream on gally prog

[slim iris]

[scenic mist]

are these boss dmg

[digital berry]

You don’t wanna see boss dmg

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-gif-20530397

[lucid olive]

respectable is a known padder

[scenic mist]

who cares about encounter dmg tbh

[eager raft]

that’s not true at all

I am the opposite of a padder

I am a boss damage merchant

[lofty depot]

Floor pov merchant

[eager raft]

except one one armed bandit

[eager raft]

I padded that boss cuz I was always out of range

[eager raft]

I don’t know how to play that class!

[lucid olive]

you do not beat me on Bandit padding

[loud kettle]

I "padded" p1 cuz i was boomy for add dmg

[lofty depot]

Ur trolling in my heroic pug?

[scenic mist]

i mean on this boss, the prio are the assistant so it's kinda the only one where a good player would have a better overall parse than a boss dmg parse ig

[lucid olive]

those Dynamite booties get DESTROYED

[loud kettle]

single target p2 with sunfire on presents because boss needed dead

[ancient adder]

Owned

Booty slayer

[lucid olive]

[eager raft]

My assistant damage is okay

I just hit whatever was in range while I ran around kicking coins

[loud kettle]

Boomy just feels like a discount shadow priest on that fight

but I'm probably just bad so

[lofty depot]

What's sad, it's more like a goodwill shadow priest

[scenic mist]

idk about discount

i think i did our SP's damage on prog

[lucid olive]

you don't top assistant damage and you don't top boss damage but both of them together you're pretty solid

[scenic mist]

on the assistants at least. boss dmg was... horrid

[lofty depot]

Maybe ur sp is bad

[scenic mist]

nah i'm just him

[lucid olive]

but our evoker has started playing aug on reclear so damage is back to being fake

[loud kettle]

same

My condolences

[lucid olive]

look at the aug getting PI

[scenic mist]

he still beats me

[lucid olive]

@wraith kiln

[scarlet tapir]

if ur aug is getting pi

just gkick the priest thats doing that

[lofty depot]

Why does the other do less dam

[lucid olive]

no he is very based

[scenic mist]

part of the explanation

[lofty depot]

He miss like 1 set or

[scenic mist]

y

but then again, boss dmg

what a pity

[lucid olive]

thats criminal

[digital berry]

How

[scenic mist]

i mean i did so to kill the boss, assistants were a pain

kept everything everytime for them

[eager raft]

that’s bad ass

[digital berry]

Did you drop dots on boss for half the fight ?

[scenic mist]

ofc not, was playing kindling

[lofty depot]

Beat by the tank is criminal

[digital berry]

Kindling is not enough on that fight to keep dots up in my experience

[lofty depot]

Blud probably convokes the adds

[scenic mist]

didnt play voke in OAB prog

[lofty depot]

Terrorism

[scenic mist]

just kill the adds

was my job

especially the far add

had to make sacrifices

[lofty depot]

Make one of ur locks make a sacrifice then u all could do boss dam

[subtle sail]

The "idk krona played it" build

a true banger

[scenic mist]

i mean, only 87 pulls prenerf

i take it as a win

[lofty depot]

Big gamer

[scenic mist]

whatever it takes to kill right

[lofty depot]

No

[digital berry]

Yes

[scenic mist]

who cares about boss damage anyway, we were doing a stop dps iirc

[digital berry]

Don’t listen to arctic he’s a padder

[lofty depot]

Lock wasn't doing whatever it takes

[lofty depot]

Incorrect

[dry compass]

Arctic right

[lofty depot]

I was actively not padding as a firemage

[dry compass]

Lock loses way less playing Destro than whatever you've done to your boomie there lmao

[eager raft]

me when im actively not padding as a firemage

[lofty depot]

Those make us die

That's not pad

Also, I promise I'm not looking at that timing and just sending CDs on cooldown

Not pressing flamestrike or anything that's just spread ignite

[eager raft]

you dont have to explain yourself

[digital berry]

I identify as a dirty padder and am proud of myself

Own It

[slim iris]

Lmao

[sudden comet]

not sure if it was asked or answered: in compendium it says myth track, but my guild is nowhere near myth mugzee, would it be smart to use chips on hero tracks?

[eager raft]

no seriously u genuinely do not have to explain yourself

[digital berry]

Gear during prog is better then gear after prog

[subtle sail]

it will depend on your character and its gear. It will probs be better to get a m+ myth track trinket if you dont have one

[slim iris]

If you buy the heroic version can you upgrade the dinar item to mythic

[eager raft]

not that we've been told

[digital berry]

Is this confirmed ?

[slim iris]

I’m asking

[eager raft]

he was asking

[lucid olive]

not best-in-slots but the other ones are probably fine, can sim yourself to find out

[digital berry]

Oh I need to put on my damn glasses

[scenic mist]

well anyway, if you look at boomy parses on OAB it's all bombs padd, unsufferable
could never be one of those

[slim iris]

Contacts mate

[eager raft]

there hasnt been any mention from blizzard about upgrading hero to myth track

[slim iris]

De way

[subtle sail]

The upgrade heroic to mythic is something they will add later when enough people cry ofc

[lucid olive]

questions usually end with question marks?

[slim iris]

One ounce of comprehension

[eager raft]

u familiar with the word 'can'?

[slim iris]

You’re asking a lot from me

[lucid olive]

soda can

[slim iris]

To switch to a different keyboard

[scenic mist]

there was verb-subject inversion tho

[slim iris]

For one question mark

[digital berry]

What kind of keyboard doesn’t have question marks ? Chinese ?

[slim iris]

Iphone has two keyboards

I have to take extra steps

[digital berry]

Oh yeah makes sense

[slim iris]

I’m sorry guys

I didn’t know this would be so hard

I apologize

[sudden comet]

thank you for info!

[eager raft]

never apologize

shift blame

[slim iris]

I’m trying to set good examples

If I’m gonna type in a cringe class discord I might as well spread positivity

[digital berry]

Who you calling cringe

[lofty depot]

I will not be slandered

[lucid olive]

arctic could never

[lofty depot]

So true

[slim iris]

[lofty depot]

That's Lakers role

[scenic mist]

where is this from

i need this discord

[lofty depot]

[scenic mist]

[lucid olive]

ayyo this recolor kinda hard

[scenic mist]

yes that's a hard yes

[lucid olive]

i absolutely hated the anniversary one but at least this one has pants

[scenic mist]

finally a pant

[cloud plover]

who needs pants

[lofty depot]

Me when they only make feral mogs and the shoulders are some big ass claws

[scenic mist]

Holy Knight Sommers

[scarlet tapir]

arctic stop padding with fire mage istg

[sudden comet]

i didnt see anywhere mentioned, are cartel chips retroactive: aka i killed with guild heroic gally or do i need to do it again when it is released?

[lucid olive]

looks sick on female nelf too

[scarlet tapir]

that looks absolute beans bro

...

[scenic mist]

???

[lucid olive]

nah you got 0 clue

and thats okay

[lofty depot]

Shoulders are ass

That's on jah

Then u got some moose ass antlers

[cloud plover]

prob dont have to kill it agai

[lofty depot]

Like the fuck is that suppose to be

[lucid olive]

Dratnos and Xyronic gave my transmog a 8/10 I am the transmog genius I will for sure get good use of this set

[digital berry]

That headpiece is absolutely trash

[lofty depot]

How u have moose antlers and claw shoulders like holy fuck

[wicked shuttle]

Don’t let them attack you gamz

You look good

[royal zenith]

can definitely trust the opinion of dratnose and xyronic...

[lofty depot]

Tettles right now

[royal zenith]

top tier boomkin haters

[pallid bay]

looks dumb af

[royal zenith]

mage enthusiasts

[lucid olive]

wouldve been 10/10 if i wasn't moonkin..

[scarlet tapir]

thank you

someone who understands

[digital berry]

Toxic

[royal zenith]

they will hit you with the "your transmog looks very VOLATILE"

[lofty depot]

Type shit

[pallid bay]

bro what is this

[lofty depot]

So true

[dry compass]

What someone who has never seen a moose thinks antlers look like

[pallid bay]

yeah that guy is dumb

[scarlet tapir]

"i identify as a moose and as a bear"

[lofty depot]

Why does the moose have claws

[pallid bay]

malfurion is like dumbest lore character or

[dry compass]

Those are bear paws homie

[lofty depot]

U might be spectrum

[digital berry]

Why are we wearing disembodied bear paws

Kinda dark if you ask me

[scenic mist]

Malfurion was as dumb for fighting Illidan as we are dumb for fighting Iridikron
iykyk

[scarlet tapir]

he goons to tyrande bro... he defo likes man

[lucid olive]

bro you look like a stewardess?

[lofty depot]

He is a helper of the people

[scenic mist]

a barefoot one

[pallid bay]

Holy based mog

[digital berry]

What’s wrong with liking men

[eager raft]

https://tenor.com/view/no-comment-quiet-mute-mute-deer-pause-gif-3676484987657574386

[dry compass]

None of this matters cause CM druid set is still the best xmog in the game

[lucid olive]

my guy looks like she's ready for a fight

[pallid bay]

Nice shoulders man

[scenic mist]

CM ?

oh challenge mode

[pallid bay]

Why is one floating and one bigger than your head though

[lucid olive]

looks good af

[scarlet tapir]

your guy looks dead

[scenic mist]

i have no personality wse

[digital berry]

Looks like a dk ngl

[lucid olive]

evoker player yapping??

[pallid bay]

Why is your mog some random blue worn lvling gear 😭

[lucid olive]

its

nerubar tier set

twitch drop tabard

[lucid olive]

and undermine world drop

[digital berry]

Ready for bed

[royal zenith]

should get the Neo coat

[scarlet tapir]

hot, i love goth mommies

[subtle sail]

I still have the best transmog in this discord and its not close

NE female players

[scarlet tapir]

where do i get that dress @fervent merlin

[fervent merlin]

I’m not a femboy I swear

[digital berry]

Will never beat the allegations

[scenic mist]

just a regular "black elegant dress" right ?

[pallid bay]

Bro equipped some footsoldiers gear, slapped a tabard on and called it good looking 😭

[fervent merlin]

I think it’s called lovely black dress?

[scenic mist]

pls you wrapped a purple towel around your char

[lucid olive]

yes those are the best mogs

[pallid bay]

im basic af

[lucid olive]

thats Zaralek Cavern questing set

[royal zenith]

true

oh I said that out loud..

[pallid bay]

nice weapon, it really matches 😭

[scenic mist]

• monk head from MoP

[pallid bay]

whats this 😭

[subtle sail]

Oi a loremaster AND fashionista today

[royal zenith]

yeah he's on a roll

[fervent merlin]

My expert right there

[lucid olive]

bling

[scenic mist]

give him green back

he knows how to dress

[pallid bay]

i only accept purple

[lucid olive]

[pallid bay]

so i can smite y'all

[subtle sail]

everyone get mogged

[pallid bay]

[lofty depot]

Chad

[digital berry]

Why is he kinda…

[pallid bay]

bro equipped some orc hair around his neck 😭

[lucid olive]

its called a scarf

[scenic mist]

this is my druid of the flame mog

[lofty depot]

Blud doesn't know what a scarf is and lives in winter 9 months out of the year

[fervent merlin]

Thick af

[green brook]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-no-tea-hair-flip-gif-13348638

leaving the chat with my furry orc scarf

[pallid bay]

try including some more pixels next time 😭

[scenic mist]

u got me

[pallid bay]

😭

[fervent merlin]

Alrighty

[fervent merlin]

This should be illegal

[lofty depot]

Respectable showing up to the pool party

[lucid olive]

eight sune's and they all look the same

Nurse Joy from Pokèmon shit

[digital berry]

This has to be a degradation kink

[lofty depot]

That's like a sister of the moon mog

Or some night fae shit

[scenic mist]

regular moonkin on regular moonkin business

[lofty depot]

Waitz he made fun of ur weapon not match and his doesnt

[lucid olive]

mans warband looks like a 1950s cult

[lofty depot]

Some farm pheasant

[green brook]

Warbear woolies are bis, get your gimp harnesses today

[lucid olive]

[fervent merlin]

Oh na

[green brook]

xD

[royal zenith]

I got purple too @pallid bay

thoughts?

[lucid olive]

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-those-gif-23546871

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

That's not a druid, disqualified

[pallid bay]

https://tenor.com/view/oversight-the-funny-guy-spins-no-thoughts-head-empty-animated-meme-gif-5351126744776931919

[royal zenith]

works for me

[subtle sail]

He postd his hunter first!

[green brook]

Sticks and stones may break thy bones, but doth whips and chains excite thee?

Come on Down to Winterspring, genocide an entire population of bears, and get gimp suited today

[wooden holly]

this feels like a slutmog

[eager raft]

Dripped out the wazoo

[lofty depot]

Yea but he's restarted

[green brook]

reference directly above your message, I am doubling down... looks even more so in the astral form

[pastel stirrup]

Wax myth or Jug hero for m+?

[wooden holly]

to be fair we typed it at the same time 👀

[subtle sail]

probs jug but sim it

[lucid olive]

probably heroic jug but also sim it

[scenic mist]

i'd say myth wax
you could also play both

[green brook]

facts

[pastel stirrup]

Is sim called Dungeon Slice for simming m+?

[green brook]

if you are pugging, or there are some survivability checks the wax may come in clutch, but if its a raw dps comparison the jug Heroic wins

[lucid olive]

1 target 5 minute patchwerk or MDT sim

[scenic mist]

no, sim in 1t5m or use MDT sim

[pastel stirrup]

Or hectic add cleave

Okay thanks

[lofty depot]

All the option other than patchwerk are beans

[wooden holly]

the musical fruit?

[green brook]

they are both proc based, honestly can you take advantage of whichever one more than the other is dependant on the procs, pulls, and the cds you have avail/running.
M+ so variable typically just lean into the more consistent option (H jug for dps vs Wax for less dps but more ofset verse for survivability)

[digital berry]

This is why arctic just says sim it

[lofty depot]

/me when I take a trinket for more survivability

[fossil shard]

Trinket for survivability is a heck of a cook

[digital berry]

Killing faster is survivability

[green brook]

survivability and damage tho

[wraith kiln]

One PI = one Aug nerf surely

[wooden holly]

if you die just blame the healer and or tank 👀

[green brook]

dying = less dps than the ofset of the other trinket xD

but correct just misdirect blame for getting killed always

we are never the problem as a paper spec which tears in a slightly fast breeze

it is the healers fault

[digital berry]

Vers is a shit survivability stat anyway

[fossil shard]

It’s not that it’s shit. It’s just that other trinkets are better if you have the choice

[green brook]

I mean just look at murlok.io 10 ppl are running candle, it all depends on drops, vaults and what you can get your hands on

[green brook]

opportunity for choice is the determining factor you are correct there

[fossil shard]

What the heck is murlock io

[lofty depot]

I'm so glad we use murlok

[fossil shard]

LOL

[lofty depot]

I wonder why someone would use candle and not jug hmmm

[fossil shard]

Jug >

[digital berry]

Having to stand still for the vers is also cringe

[wicked shuttle]

Prob bc Frexa doesnt raid

[digital berry]

Have you started raiding yet? Tuned in a couple weeks ago and you said you were going back

[wicked shuttle]

Yeah

[digital berry]

[wicked shuttle]

Sprocketmonger without having progged the fight

is so fucking hard

[dry compass]

Aug comes back to life and tettles starts raiding again

[pallid bay]

[wicked shuttle]

bro im just walking around like an NPC trying to not run into people

im 0-2 on living on that boss so far

[dry compass]

Same but I progged it

[digital berry]

Yeah in prog you just learn every movement and it’s pretty easy to stay safe

[wicked shuttle]

yeah if you learn the movement one move at a time it's pretty easy im sure

[dry compass]

Until someone under-moves the suck and poor you trying to get enough space to finish a cast gets catapulted into death

[digital berry]

I was thrown into mythic queen last season after switching guild for trial and it was hella confusing to not have progged anything past p1

[pallid bay]

Just put squisheis graphic on 2nd monitor

[digital berry]

That’s on you for being greedy

[wicked shuttle]

i have it up, but i feel like it's hard to looka t in the middle of the boss

or at least understand where tf we are in the sequence

[pallid bay]

[wicked shuttle]

Im sure ill live someday

i built the great wall of china w/ drills on my first kill

[lofty depot]

Classic m+er comes to raid and dies on repeat

[wicked shuttle]

was supposed to be the L set in mid, but i def dropped it incorrectly

[digital berry]

Did you join an 8/8 raid team tets?

[wicked shuttle]

yes

[lofty depot]

He's jastor so he can poosh

[lucid olive]

wtf is the L set

[digital berry]

H to m is only a 0.7% for me

[digital berry]

The pre beams set

[lucid olive]

is that a thing, we just go far every time idk

[digital berry]

Since you don’t have time to make a line and come back

[lofty depot]

Last set before 2nd knock

[digital berry]

Whats the server eta ?

[ionic oak]

Tomorrow

Lol

[lucid olive]

idk we just drop every drill set the same every time instead of switching it up on 1 random set near the end

[lofty depot]

It's not 1 random one

That does seem fine tho

[dry compass]

Requires everyone eligible for drills to move out in time

[digital berry]

It’s tight at

[lofty depot]

Most groups stay stacked then do behind, side one, then up one

[dry compass]

Seems easier to have only the people selected move slightly different for one set but depends on your raiders ig

Liquid did the L set to minimize movement and optimize DPS but probably isn't necessary at this point

[wooden holly]

11 PST sooo 2.5ish more hours?

[lucid olive]

what else is going on at that point

melee are doing that mine soak anyway

[dry compass]

Yes but movement = lost dps

And if you have people who won't move or move slow they fuck everyone else over

[wooden holly]

What are the chances servers back in time AND work properly

[digital berry]

I’d be surprised if the vendor worked on server launch

[lucid olive]

I am pretty sure we have wiped a lot less at that point of the fight than the guilds who do L formation drills

and the boss hasn't been a damage check since week 2

[wooden holly]

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-me-too-same-same-david-rose-dan-levy-gif-19295178

[slim iris]

Think I had to pop a mine right before getting those drills last night

[lucid olive]

Oh okay so, instead of everyone having 5+ seconds to move out to bait location, you have everyone stacked and then assume the guy insta moves out to not drill the raid?

[lofty depot]

Id say my guild is pretty shit right, and we didn't wipe to drills there

We wiped to mine people and th lazers

[lucid olive]

yeah that can happen but that would happen no matter what strat you pick

[slim iris]

Ye it was fine

[dry compass]

It's the same as every other set where people eligible take one step back

But your strat requires 8 people to big move and do the right thing at the right time

Vs 3 people to make one minor adjustment to the same way of doing the mech throughout the rest of the fight

[lucid olive]

?

You don't move to bait if you're not eligible?

[lofty depot]

Not 8, should be 3-4 people that are eligible

[dry compass]

Yes but one step back to bait off the stack vs move 15 yards away

[lucid olive]

it's the same people moving out, just sacrificing 2 globals more to move and makes the drills a lot more consistent

[lofty depot]

Because it's the last drills

[iron chasm]

You just move out on the conveyor belts or move in the conveyor belts depending on which side you’re on.. Your weak aura will tell you if you’re eligible for drills or not.

Don’t over complicate it, why risk the whole raid getting stunned when you can just mitigate it with extremely predictable movement

[dry compass]

It's not more consistent tho

You're changing the movement pattern either way

[lucid olive]

idk seems omega troll to have different rules for different drill sets

we do same movement and baits every drill set

[dry compass]

You either move different to bait or you move different to drop the last drill

[lofty depot]

I mean every drill is different

[iron chasm]

The only inconsistency is who has gotten the drills already and who hasn’t lol
On that set one side goes out on the belt and drops then move in for lazer and the other can drop then move in with belt for lazer as they spawn

[dry compass]

And given the state of auras today an "l drill set" or RL call is entirely standard and clearly not an issue for guilds

Ultimately it's what do you value more, smaller movement or "simpler" drop patterns

[iron chasm]

A weak aura pops onto your screen and says “NO DRILLS” or “BAIT DRILLS” depending on if you’ve had it or not

[lucid olive]

yeah and if it says NO DRILLS you just stand in the group, and if it says BAIT DRILLS you move out to bait

[iron chasm]

Yup

It’s the simplest fight of the tier cause it’s always the same outside of minor inconsistencies ie different players getting different drill sets or bombs being different based on colour composition

[lucid olive]

and you move out to the same position every time relative to what quadrant the boss is in

[iron chasm]

You can basically get full uptime as a caster if you just utilise the belts

[lucid olive]

but apparently the most popular strat is to change up the rules of where you go to bait on a random drill set at the most hectic part of the fight

[scenic mist]

some drills are directly followed by laser beams, hence the L tech

to come back to the group soon enough

[lucid olive]

#balance message

[iron chasm]

Do you prefer minor movements or simpler drop patterns though that’s the real questions

I actually prefer both weirdly enough but what would we know

[lucid olive]

simpler drop patterns

[scenic mist]

yeah we were more of a "use the conveyer belt" team

[lucid olive]

wtf is movement gonna get you on a fight without a dmg check

[iron chasm]

Just cast while moving when you starfall smh

[scenic mist]

mmmh, if you can kill the boss before purple orbs, you make the fight way easier, so it's not a proper dps check but gaining dps can surely make the progress shorter (and easier)

[scenic mist]

but this move is nice i like it

[lofty depot]

The first purple orbs are pretty braindead

[dry compass]

I mean guilds do ever decreasing amounts of damage as you go down the ranks so damage optimization is always relevant

The argument of "boss isn't a damage check" is irrelevant. non-HoF guilds aren't going to beat first orbs, and optimizing DPS could be the difference between beating second orbs

[iron chasm]

Yeah but as you go down the ranks over complication is also a huge problem

[lucid olive]

^

[lucid olive]

also man this is not true

[dry compass]

Right but what I'm telling you is the complication of the overlap is the same either way

[lucid olive]

I was doing a VOD review earlier of someone who killed Sprocket last week

they had 4 people dead for half the fight

[dry compass]

You either change movement pattern on the drill baits or the drill drops

[lucid olive]

and still beat it

[dry compass]

Either way it's different patterns

[lucid olive]

its not though

its the same drop every time

?

[iron chasm]

3 of us died to the gateway being cooked like 6 weeks ago and we killed it

[iron chasm]

The only inconsistency is the players getting it. The pattern never, ever changes

And I’m pretty sure that bomb set before big purple beams is a healer bomb set iirc

[lofty depot]

Do u always go outside in?

[lucid olive]

Every single drill bait is just "go to the wall, wait for drill, walk back to the group" every time

yes

[lofty depot]

Ok, so there's the disconnect

[dry compass]

So you're telling me blue side first drill drop you're moving out to bait instead of just stepping back onto conveyor if you get drills?

[lofty depot]

Cuz it's not always the same if u don't do that

[dry compass]

Cause that's crazy nonsense

That drill set is free af with my movement and grief with yours

[lucid olive]

Blue side first drill is the most free of them all

[iron chasm]

Was blue inner or outer at that point

[dry compass]

Yes, but not with the movement you're telling me is the same every time

So is it the same every time or is that one different?

[lofty depot]

Most the drills if ur blue are going right from either middle of conveyor or from far left to right

[dry compass]

Because then you're changing drill patterns and the argument about changing for the L set is a total non starter

[lofty depot]

The one ur doing there is far right to left, which isn't done anywhere else

[lofty depot]

The way they do it, it's the same

Cuz they always go outside in

Not middle of conveyor out, or far left to middle conveyor

[dry compass]

Which means basically every other drill set on the fight is harder all so you can do the same pattern on the bad overlap instead of changing pattern for that one set

Idk, both are clearly functional strategies but to say one is obviously better than the other is weird.

[lofty depot]

Unless, his blue side does do it while riding conveyor

And he lied hmm

But shrug doesn't really matte

[lucid olive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6gwmuntqDQ&t=4s

first drill blue side

free af

[opaque knot]

Are we really going to be using this new belt? 😦

[lucid olive]

just step on conveyor and ride it until it stops

[lucid olive]

no clue but yeah probably

[dry compass]

Yes but that's not the same pattern

You don't move out to drop it

[opaque knot]

So sad it's my crafted with socket

[lucid olive]

GG

[subtle sail]

The belt wont come out for like 6 weeks youll be fine

[iron chasm]

Bro why are we arguing boss 5 strats just copy good boomy video like gamz video and stop trying new things

[opaque knot]

Oh, sick

[iron chasm]

But we LOVE borrowed power

[lucid olive]

apparently my guild is the one with the new things since Liquid killed it with weird strat

and people see Liquid doing optimized strat with the best players in the world

and then do that and risk wiping to bad drills

[iron chasm]

Wait you didn’t watch the 45 minute dratnos video??

[lucid olive]

instead of making it consistently the same every time

[lucid olive]

I follow raidplan

[dry compass]

Okay just don't answer the question I guess lmao

[iron chasm]

We did but it’s not the answer you want

Lmao

[lofty depot]

So yea ur 2nd blue ones in p2

[dry compass]

No you haven't

[lofty depot]

U go far then have blue run to melee

[dry compass]

You've said the first blue drop doesn't move out to bait, I've asked how you reconcile that with the "same drop every time" claim

And crickets

[iron chasm]

What we said that the people who are eligible move out to bait

[lucid olive]

I never said that first blue doesn't move out?

[iron chasm]

And then they run in with drills as the bomb goes off and then you stack for purple

[worldly matrix]

Hello I have come to mediate The approach I gave my raiders boils down to this: "GO TO THE FUCKING WALL WITH DRILLS THEN WALK BACK TO THE GROUP"

this never changes

it is entirely consistent across every single bait

[dry compass]

#balance message

[worldly matrix]

there is no deviation

hope this helps

[lofty depot]

Based

[worldly matrix]

[lucid olive]

yeah the conveyor is on the wall?

you can start the fight on the wall even

[dry compass]

Stepping back onto conveyor is not the pre-move out so you're dropping on the way back to the boss you do on the overlap

[lofty depot]

Both first set drills are ride conveyor

Is ePz

[iron chasm]

One conveyor goes to wall one goes to boss, blue can ride it out, red needs to be out and rides it in

[iron chasm]

The conveyor literally can take you to the spot you need to be

[lofty depot]

U can ride it as red,

[iron chasm]

I don’t remember the colours but one goes in one goes out

[lucid olive]

mm our red side just moves natty with them

[lofty depot]

There's negative things going on at 30 seconds into the fight lol

[dry compass]

Okay if we're not gonna read what I'm typing and just keep repeating the same thing

[worldly matrix]

https://youtu.be/_6gwmuntqDQ?t=8

https://youtu.be/uk4rcSucf-I?t=12

These are our initial drills from either side

[dry compass]

I'm just not gonna bother

[worldly matrix]

"go to wall, walk back to group"

No diff

[iron chasm]

Ahahaha ok

[lofty depot]

Maybe we make Draco and gamz make echoes raid guide

[worldly matrix]

I have

https://raidplan.io/plan/dH0q95NBneM0znrM here you go

[lofty depot]

Donde estas?

That's not a video

[royal zenith]

why is Draco in here

[worldly matrix]

videos are for losers

[loud kettle]

i hate when i dont read what someone is typing and continue to repeat the same thing

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

What the

[iron chasm]

He’s here educating the masses deux

[worldly matrix]

hungry for chicken deux

[royal zenith]

very S U S

[iron chasm]

Gamz wasn’t doing a good enough job explaining so he bought in the cavalry

[royal zenith]

that's fair

[spice pelican]

Hi guys, noob question maybe. On really large CD pulls, if I cap on power while moonfiring everything, should I just send a starfall and go back to moonfiring? Or should I go into CA/incarn and go for the usual rotation and go back to moonfiring after it’s over

Assuming the pack lives long enough

[craggy sonnet]

Definitely not the 2nd option

[scarlet tapir]

@fervent merlin HUH

[craggy sonnet]

You can send a starfall but realistically it just means you are delaying your CDs

I think most people just default to dotting everything into FoE into incarn

[lofty depot]

U can send a Starfall if u want

Draco is used to explaining raid mechanics all day, he does it in rle

[lucid olive]

Nah I didn't even know that people did the drills differently to us and thought it was funny

[dry compass]

First two drill baits on this are double the necessary movement

[iron chasm]

Yeah that’s what I do. Feels yuck overcapping and sometimes it’ll bother me enough to send a starfall but if I don’t dot everything it means my cds are later and it means my disgusting dps allies in my key can take my dmg

[dry compass]

So I'll repeat myself, it's clearly a functional strategy, but to say it's objectively better is wierd

[worldly matrix]

Yeah and I never really gave much of a crap about that, I wanted to keep it simple and consistent because the boss had no dps check post nerf as long as everyone lived

and less chaos means more living

[spice pelican]

Ahhhh I see so literally just dot everything even if it means overcapping

[iron chasm]

I’m starting to think we did it wrong and tytherius is onto something with how confident he is

[spice pelican]

To get into cds faster

[lofty depot]

Generally, yessem

[dry compass]

It's not me homoe

It's literally liquids strat lmao

So if you wanna argue with Max and their analysts you go crazy

[worldly matrix]

I do

all the time

[lofty depot]

@maximum

[worldly matrix]

they have some real fucking dumb strategies on occasion

[iron chasm]

Unless they’re fodder mobs like the ones as you enter the church in priory, lil kobolds at start of dfc etc a sunfire will suffice usually cause melee meat grinder just kills them

[maiden pasture]

Where does yellow healer go if they get drills?

[dry compass]

I don't doubt that

[loud kettle]

can i really go crazy

like

[maiden pasture]

On first set

[dry compass]

But their drill baits aren't one of them

[iron chasm]

Let it out

[loud kettle]

im already crazy

[worldly matrix]

they will not, popping order is that green and purple gets them during drills

[lofty depot]

Max has actually acknowledged their starts being not optimal once normal guilds start killing jt

[worldly matrix]

iirc

[spice pelican]

Thanks guys!

[dry compass]

I appreciate accepting suboptimal movement patterns for consistency, but I was literally asking whether it was consistent and not getting answers

[worldly matrix]

yellow is always first

[royal zenith]

yellow is always first ye

[worldly matrix]

If I recall correct I calculated that we had a 1 in 36(?) chance of the green potentially being an issue with our MW+hpally setup, but in the 50 pulls it took us to kill it

[maiden pasture]

Ah for us purple was first, yellow was 2nd and doesn't really have time to go back

[worldly matrix]

we never lowrolled that chance

[royal zenith]

only green can get sus

[worldly matrix]

so

[royal zenith]

on the first set

[lofty depot]

Wtf is yellow

Oh NS markers?

[royal zenith]

if you have more ranged healers that is

[lofty depot]

Smh

Need to band together and make NS and liquid use same markers

[iron chasm]

Please

Dreamgrove Union can do anything

[royal zenith]

also drailbaits on first few sets are really whatever, if you try to optimize movement there

you're missing the point

[worldly matrix]

yeah, it goes purple->yellow->green->orange in popping order, the only one there who has an issue is green, orange can pop after drills, yellow+purple pops before drills (and because of our 2x melee healer setup, we had an incredibly low chance of green overlapping anything)

[lofty depot]

Well it started with the last drill set being an L

[royal zenith]

only dangerous drillbaits are the ones with big beams

[lofty depot]

But I then asked if he always goes outside in and they do

[worldly matrix]

you can actually see our priest Mikey return to come bait red side drills from yellow here @dry compass https://youtu.be/uk4rcSucf-I?t=13

[royal zenith]

we started out with draco's, evolved into a mix of liquid/draco

[worldly matrix]

hes being a lazy bastard and not fully moving onto the raid

[royal zenith]

as long as you don't cut off people and don't put drills on group you gucci

[worldly matrix]

yep, I just fully went with "if we can do the exact same thing everywhere, it's worth losing a global or two"

people know when we call to bait drills it means "run to wall, walk to group"

bonus here is that having done this in alt raids with groups where they do the whole "just step out behind lol" strategy, you're not at the mercy of your slowest raider greeding a global

and putting a drill in your asshole

or trying to move from one side of the room to the other while slaloming drills

[signal temple]

[worldly matrix]

if someones slow doing this, the worst they've done is put drills far away from the group and force the baiting range to run around them

[worldly matrix]

the real struggle btw

is how both NS and liquid

has decided

that the red marker goes on blue side

and the blue marker goes on red side

[maiden pasture]

https://youtu.be/XI97ISEAgP4?si=-pX4CufKdEjkmKEy

@worldly matrix how can star not be at risk of bad drills 🤨 am I missing something. I would have to BEELINE back to the other side or is this order just different to yours

[worldly matrix]

your first guys slow I think

[worldly matrix]

can watch mikey do it here

[lofty depot]

Actually so true

[maiden pasture]

He's standing on it

You can see it lands on him or

[worldly matrix]

then idk, mikey has enough time to make it back to us if he wanted, he stops a bit earlier though in the video

[lofty depot]

Altought it looks like we all banded together with blue left and red right

[worldly matrix]

https://i.imgur.com/pXOafJY.png

like lil fella is back here already

[worldly matrix]

you have to

the way mines are laid out

or there'd be uh

incidents

well, the way mines and the WA's are laid out I guess

if you flipflopped the WA assigns I guess the other way could work too

[maiden pasture]

Ah ig as the drills debuff comes out here's nowhere near but the delay on first drill spawn allows it to be fine

[fervent merlin]

Sheesh stonks is up to bad I can’t sell

[worldly matrix]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2456237673?t=1h20m51s oh he has a pov of it

from this weeks raid

he does drop one drill cos no speedy

[maiden pasture]

Damn bros FPS is insane

[worldly matrix]

welcome to a guild with an elvui dev

we just actually follow his guidelines

and for some reason

our fps aint shit

[maiden pasture]

But yeah ig you almost always spawn one "bad" but it doesn't fuck it up ever for anyone

Yo where's the guidelines

[worldly matrix]

yeah it's at the spot where literally no one will ever go

and he still does go back to the group

[maiden pasture]

Can I get that kind of FPS with aui or am I cooked chat

[worldly matrix]

idk what the shit aui is

[lofty depot]

Atrocity

[worldly matrix]

oh

no

he hates that thing with a passion

says its hot garbage for performance

[maiden pasture]

GG time to remake Ui

[lofty depot]

Gamz is making a gui

Don't worry

[maiden pasture]

Where's his guidelines tho

[worldly matrix]

uuh

[royal zenith]

it's build through WA's and what not

it's doggy poo

atrocity that is

[worldly matrix]

ngl I do not remember

[maiden pasture]

Gatekeepers......

[wraith storm]

Is there "unseen" value in having an on use trinket vs 2 passive ones? In sims for me a 678 signet is .3% better than alch trinket. However I feel like the prio dmg from being able to choose when u have this increased dmg is worth a lot more than .3%. Is that right or would u guys just stick with alch trinket and go for a jastors or something with cartel chip

[maiden pasture]

Just follow the guidelines guys

Guidelines

[lofty depot]

Need atrocity UI, cuz who ever makes mage weakauras are fucking artistic

[royal zenith]

you are terminally on Twitter

if you haven't seen the guidelines

that's on you, maya

[maiden pasture]

Convoke does damage in a burst window, on use gives on demand stats in that window

[lofty depot]

Alch trinket, as in the profession one?

[maiden pasture]

Not sure what you mean by "unseen" value, it's very much seen

[lofty depot]

Show sim

[wraith storm]

I say unseen because in a sim its only marginally stronger. And yes I mean the alchemy trinket

[maiden pasture]

Id like to see the sim that tells you signet is only .3% above

Link pls

[wraith storm]

This is m+ spec simming patchwerk ST

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fdEWrzyktWKZABuVkAyEGP

[worldly matrix]

https://github.com/tukui-org/ElvUI/wiki/performance-optimization

[maiden pasture]

Aoe talents, ST sim

Elunes isn't bursty on ST, on use is good in raid to pair with big pulls

[maiden pasture]

[wraith storm]

I only care about m+ so should I sim dungeon slice or something instead?

For all intents and purposes elune is all that matters to me

[maiden pasture]

MDT sim / a combination of other sims

There's no real one sim for moonkin in m+, MDT is often the preferred one though

[lofty depot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eLRU1Q1GNJkw9TGqzJScFk

Yea but >

[maiden pasture]

It's also just a little bit of common sense right. Often around every 2 mins or so a tank will do a big pull in higher keys to line up with DPS cooldowns / their defensives. Having an on use for stuff like that is very good

[wraith storm]

Yeah thats the exact point I was trying to get at but worded poorly. I think theres just a lot of extra value in choosing when I get my stat buff, so its value is even larger than what a sim would say.

[lofty depot]

Some good feelycraft

[maiden pasture]

Well a sim would tell you that, you're just not doing the sim that would

[lofty depot]

Idk gear compare surely the problem

[maiden pasture]

Yeah gear compare is ass

Don't use that shit

[wraith storm]

If I dont actually have the signet to sim it how else would I do it?

[maiden pasture]

You can add an item in top gear