balance

[lofty depot]

u have 5 sparks

u can cahnge the embells at anytime

they all suck regardless

[half fern]

yeah i will. im farming the darn valorstones cause blizzard loves this damn double currency system

[charred widget]

for later on you want vers when 80% hp but it good to have double :3

Hopefully they get rid of valorstones

They are annoying

[half fern]

they wont. they loved them last xpac. and this xpac for some reason they think they are a good idea. just give us one currency needed

[dense steeple]

why is this a thing i had to save

[digital berry]

good piece of information for anyone to have tbh

[dense steeple]

i guess youre right

[teal sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-18370552922777914358

[dense steeple]

this you

[teal sphinx]

[modern iron]

Got a question for m+, that i cant seem to figure out, every boomy seems to run 20-22% haste, 10/11 % crit, and 20+% mastery, for some reason when simming, dungeon slice etc, it keeps recommending me haste stat even when at 28%, is that just to high, i dont seem to have a penalty for to much haste

[normal pilot]

well you shouldn't just ignore warnings that you get

they're there for a reason

[meager storm]

do not sim dungeon slice and do not look at stats that way, just sim ur stuff and whatever the robot tells u to run u run that

[modern iron]

what is the best option for simming? sorry not the best at sims, ty though

[meager storm]

either 1 target 5 mins or MDT sim

i think this is the one https://wago.io/Yya4XBbl-

[modern iron]

ty will try have a go, appreciate it

[meager storm]

[modern iron]

Thanks got the WA, exported, added to footer, but still for some reason wont override the patchwerk or dungeon slice, hmm

[delicate perch]

link the sim

[modern iron]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bV1im1EzvUsnXFmcC9CzRK

Thats with mdt sim in footer, expert ticked

[lucid olive]

It'll still say patchwerk and whatever target count your sim options are set to

But the footer input will override it

[modern iron]

Results still say 5min etc, watched omse guides theirs show results 35mins etc

[lucid olive]

And what does yours say now that it finished

[modern iron]

Yeah ignore me, thanks it finally worked, appreciate it

[delicate perch]

imagine if boomkin simmed 3.6m

[modern iron]

?

[delicate perch]

what part of that is confusing

[modern iron]

was unsure what you meant by imagine 3.6,

[delicate perch]

you thought the sim was for ST

but it showed 3.6m

that is not a boomkin ST number

[modern iron]

Ahh soz, yeah im horrible at sims, ty for everyones help

[delicate perch]

[plucky valley]

aug is back

[shy solstice]

is lunar calling better for most of the raid fights

[grizzled cedar]

So tettle reroll Back to it 🤡😂

[meager storm]

if u pick elunes chosen u always go that talent

[kind fossil]

Hey, when simming trinkets, do yall mostly just use MDT sim? or do you do an ST / AOE sim?
I have hero track signet and entropic, and when I run MDT sim it says replace signet with my champ track Kezan... which doesnt seem quite right.

• MDT sim is a 17 rookery route I think.

[lofty depot]

mdt sim doesnt drop stacks of kezan

[kind fossil]

Ahh no wonder it is inflated. Thanks.

[lusty cove]

Whats the uptime of best in slot in a dungeon ?

[lofty depot]

thats pretty subjective

go look at dwilkz's logs

[lusty cove]

Would you say best in slot mythic huge upgrade ?

[meager storm]

ofc?

[lofty depot]

huge compared to what

[lusty cove]

Crafted 675 it says 40k dps gain hoc also 35k upgrade not sure

[lofty depot]

what what do u define as huge

[lusty cove]

What to buy in 2 days

[lofty depot]

40k fps pog

[lusty cove]

Sry dps

That would be crazy haha

[lofty depot]

if ur not in a coordinated group u probably get less value from it than u might think

because ur using double on us

but is p good

[lucid olive]

Did you sim recrafts with BiS

Real value of Best-In-Slots is undervalued if you're simming it with a Writhing Armor Banding piece

[feral dust]

So you need both the average of 675 in one of your characters and one of your characters to have 678 in a specific slot?

Btw guys is heroic best-in- slots worth it over a max level crafted?

[ionic oak]

Yall going double lens or double dawn/dusk?
asking for a friend

[crude lava]

are we ditching the circlet for a good 684 ring?

[lofty depot]

vers

[lofty depot]

no

[crude lava]

😦

[ionic oak]

In arctic i trust

[crude lava]

stupid ring

[lofty depot]

yea i hate when rings are better than other rings

[ionic oak]

Id be glad we already got bis ring. No need to try and replace it. No grind

[crude lava]

its more the fact I have to unequip half of my items to adjust to the stat i want

[lofty depot]

u want mastery

[delicate perch]

??

wat

[lofty depot]

if ur having to unequip items u got shit gear

[delicate perch]

[lofty depot]

should fix that

[ionic oak]

Thats crazy tho. They playing wow from like 15 years ago

[delicate perch]

full crit vers crafted slots only

[crude lava]

I use it for haste rn

seems to be working well

[lofty depot]

i mean

[delicate perch]

hmmmmmmm

[crude lava]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pT4jjzNTjwKXVUtMxFWX3b

this is my gear I havent optimazed for raid

just sharing

[wild oriole]

regarding the new belt we should have in next patch. It means i wont bother upgrade my 675 crafted belt right?

And second thought as i dont have all +12 and no mythic kills in LOU, i plan on getting the Jastor ring, is it still a good call ? i have haste mastery rig from ML (Hero track maxed out) and cyrce. What do you guys think?

Or Hero track raid trinkets are a good alternative? I have house of cards champion and the energy drink champion from delves

[lofty depot]

next patch is 2 months away and the crest cap is going away

sooooo that seems dumb to not bother

[wild oriole]

Thanks for your answer, makes sense, but as i cant play as much as i want, i will still upgrade other pieces first then 🙂

[jade flume]

Play 20 hours on wednesday upgrade everything and raid log like god intended

[wild oriole]

i wish i were that nature god. Wont never be the case though 😄

[lofty depot]

double negative

means its the case

gogooggoog

[wild oriole]

grammatical trap, then lets goooooo

cant hide my true nature. Gaming all the way

[feral dust]

I think that means if u are a more casual player like me belt should be the last piece I want to spend crests to upgrade.

[wild oriole]

Exactly my point, bad english phrasing but that's it

I'm starting M+ 12, getting my gear up to date, 667 atm, good stats, but i still suck. Did a nice Rookery Run +10 yesterday "only" 2.8m overall at the end. Friends told me its a bit low

[feral dust]

I think the DPS depends on what specs u are playing with and what is the ilevel etc of the other players. For example at +10 keys if u play with bursty classes and the mobs die kind of fast u don't have time to ramp your dots etc. I personally have a balance druid at 670-672 and a 665 MM hunter and the mm sometimes does more overall damage than the druid( I'm talking about 10-11 keys)

[cloud plover]

u must be a bad mm hunter if its only sometimes

spec is outright broken dps wise

[wild oriole]

ok, in my case, that rookery that went well was with a UH DK 3400 score and a enhancement shaman 3300 score. Both were like 670+ ilvl, so you're right packs were melting pretty fast, and i stilll think i did okay that key, sadly i didnt take any logs. I will focus on getting logs from today on and posting here once in a while if someone is willing to help me improve

[feral dust]

Never claimed that I was good or the best

[verbal basin]

its kinda of a hard thing to measure like that

was it in range with the rest of the dps?

overall depends a lot on pulls,how big they are etc

especially on a class like your's, where you are just an AOE monster, and need as much available damage in your cd's as possible

so saying its a "bit low" without watching the actual key isn't really an option

and also like you mentioned in your later messages, since its a lower key, things will just die fast, that means you lose damage.

[wild oriole]

@verbal basin thank you for you kind and wise words. First dps was 3.8m overall, second 3.2m and i was bottom with 2.8. Regarding the gear and io score of the 2 others, i think i did ok. As far as i simmed "dungeon sliced" it told me 2.9m overall so with 2.8 im close to the sim i did but i think i can do more as i have (in my opinion) a really good gear. (except trinkets) - character is "Kralj-Hyjal (EU) if anyone wants to spy on me :p

[livid jay]

dont sim dungeon slice it does not work for boomkin

[wild oriole]

oh...

[verbal basin]

yeah dont do d-slice its pretty atrocious

just doesnt work really

im not super tuned in on boomie sims, but dslice just isnt really good for most specs

i think it works good for rogues only?

[livid jay]

yes, dungeon slice is just bad. If you actually want to sim for m+ you need to do an mdt-route sim. But you really dont need to, just sim 1T5Min in m+ talents and you are fine. Wont give you an estimate tho on how much damage you should do, but no sim can do that.

[verbal basin]

its hard even with numbers because it depends on their gear,specs all that. like the other person suggested, logs will be the best way to determine how you are playing. overall damage numbers just have too many variables to be able to look at just the number and trying to determine if it was good or not.

[tawny palm]

Will Cyrce's still be bis with ability to upgrade further?

[delicate perch]

[meager storm]

maybe

[wild oriole]

@verbal basin @livid jay thank you guys. Can you enlight me what "1T5Min" is ? Is it 1 target (patchwerk) during 5 minutes? i guess... And what about multiple targets ? Why is it not good ?

[verbal basin]

1t5min is one target five mins patchwerk yeah. multiple targets it depends on the class/spec. for HDH we do a mix of 1 target patchwerk 5min w/ and wo/ lust, 4 targets patchwerk 5min w/ and wo/ lust, 6 targets patchwerk 40s wo/ lust, and 10 targets patchwerk 1 min w/ and wo/ lust., and compare them.

im not sure if the same method is effective for boomie, but I am unsure why it wouldn't be.

[livid jay]

You can sim multiple targets and the apl does react properly to it. The problem is, that no pure "4 target 5 minute" or "5T5min" or whatever else you come up with is actually accurate to represent a dungeon environment. It is all just random guessing of what will actually be fitting to reproduce a dungeon run. The thing that gets the closest is a MDT sim since it sims an actual existing variety of target count and combat time. There also is a problem with mdt sim tho, cause it does not hold cooldowns and trinkets for big pulls like you would in a real dungeon.

So in short:
All aoe sims are random target counts that you barely find in a real dungeon -> inaccurate. Its also hard to compare and check if someones aoe sim is correct or scuffed.
1t5min is just as accurate as everything else
mdt sim is a bit better
but overall it doesnt matter much anyways since boomkin stats dont really change between aoe and single target rotation

[fossil hemlock]

Bro you can't say "so in short" and then write almost the same amount of text

[reef bronze]

Hi, What is the best purchase for dinars as m+ player not going to clear mythic raid?

[livid jay]

i just did it tho

[cursive otter]

I wonder why we don't have m+ necks added into dinars shop

[quiet drift]

Just craft one

[cursive otter]

yes, but then it means that I'll just leave dinars in backpack without possibility to get smth cool since I play only m+

[fossil hemlock]

The same reason raid necks aren't added

[cursive otter]

wait, so they added raid last ring but not necks? then why no rings from m+ any ideas?

[fossil hemlock]

Because last ring has a cantrip effect

It's cantrip items, trinkets and weapons from raid, and trinkets only from m+

Cantrips this tier being jastor diamond, jetpack from sprocket, and a bunch of weapons from OAB, Mug and Gally

[cursive otter]

looks like I need to wait for brew myth neck drop from vault == will never drop 🙂 So it will end up with crafted one I guess

[fossil hemlock]

Just get a hero one

Jewelry doesn't scale insanely with ilvl because no main stat

(crafted is still probably better)

[cursive otter]

I also wonder how those dinars will influence paid raids. From 1st point of view maybe myth raid will be more expensive since achievement will give you possibility to buy myth items with dinars. At the same time probably more ppl will pay for myth raid to get achi which will lead to increased demand == less price

[quiet drift]

What

[jade flume]

You can

Aint nobody gonna stop u

[fossil hemlock]

I'm calling the Internet Police right now

[quiet drift]

Since there is a carrot on the stick with mythic kill achivements they can just ask for a higher price

and since its guaranteed loot deep pockets will pay

[jade flume]

Increased demand leads to higher prices not lower

[cursive otter]

well yes, I just did a mistake. But what about increased amount of guys who will sold raid as well?

[jade flume]

Ye that will decrease the price

[cursive otter]

idk if it will be the case

[jade flume]

Especially with all the buffs

And ilvl buffs

[quiet drift]

Hence why its Supply and Demand

go hand in hand

https://tenor.com/view/azumanga-daioh-chiyo-mihama-happy-anime-anime-girl-gif-13106475397495031801

[cursive otter]

it is just interesting point since idk if we already had smth similar in the past

and I'm still sad that I won't get HoC myth track 😦 I like that trinket

[sudden flame]

[jade flume]

Tbh i wouldnt mind if they did vendor same as they did before

And just let people buy w.e they want

[sudden flame]

they already made it a meme season with the ilvl upgrades mythic gally dying in 5minutes soon

it is funny to see m+ers crash out though

[cursive otter]

hero gally is already around 60k gold (saw this in chat this night) which is I guess lowest price I've ever seen for last boss.
Would be great to have myth gally for 100k XDD

[sudden flame]

wishful thinking

[pallid bay]

crazy concept..

[quiet drift]

ABS(Always be selling)

[vale pebble]

[quiet drift]

😳

[pallid bay]

orange name chicken

[hollow mist]

hello chicken hope you have a good day sweetheart

[vale pebble]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1275740946558095433/1370723064177885185/twitter_1920811740679278814.gif

[cursive otter]

Does anyone know if simc will support purchasable dinar items in, maybe, droptimizer?

[pallid bay]

yes

[cursive otter]

can't put heart emoji to your answer ❤️

Maybe another question is how they will handle different progress for those items. I mean some ppl can buy myth and some only hero items. Will it track progress from simc import string or there will be just checkbox/select field to choose different options

[maiden pasture]

i assume similar to crafted items, you will be able to select at what level you want to sim

[cerulean summit]

for stix, should you hold your ca and trees for the first set of adds?

[maiden pasture]

If you're taunting the first set (good for prog to reduce variance on what sets you have moonkins for) you CD on pull, if you're not taunting first set you can hold for first sorting and then cry when you get selected anyway and hold for even longer

[jade flume]

Never hold

[sterile knoll]

I just had our first night of progress on Mug'zee Mythic yesterday. Is there any boomie tech I should know for it?
I saw in some vids people standing agaist the wall on dirt side, I assume that's so your convoke doesn't hit he immune mob?

[round field]

Ye but if you prepull on accident u wipe raid

[sterile knoll]

Ye I assumed so

[jade flume]

Heck the raid

[wide dawn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dEoB8WyG3eAj9jkST8zz3Z
Is it weird that Best in slot is not upgrade ?

[sudden flame]

you'd have to change embellishments

[jade flume]

I assume using 2 on use trinkets also lowers its value

[wide dawn]

ooh thanks

[wide dawn]

Forget about embellishments

[mint ruin]

Can someone explain why we use lunar calling? New to balance btw

Isn’t more FoE dmg better in m+

[maiden pasture]

Do you think people would collectively take something that is worse?

[quiet drift]

There are bosses in M+

[maiden pasture]

look at the overall breakdown of an m+ dungeon, or any pull you ever do

[quiet drift]

and prio dmg is always good

[maiden pasture]

starfire is up there

foe is not

[cloud lion]

Foe is good cuz it boost your dmg overall not by doing dmg on its own

Similar to treants

[mint ruin]

Ok thx all

[meager jacinth]

I have issue siming from M+. especially with the Signet of the Priory and House of Cards with not the same duration.
i have House of card Hero and Signet Myth and as i can press more HoC over the dungeon i feel it's better but i have issue reflecting this in a sim

[livid jay]

trinkets in sims are scuffed anyways

what are u simming

[meager jacinth]

For now eather 1 Boss or 5 target cleave and i change the duration to see what change

[livid jay]

read this message

[meager jacinth]

What is mdt sim ?

[fossil hemlock]

It simulates an m+ route, if you google "mdt sim" and open the wago page the description is pretty good

[indigo flicker]

New to boomkin, what is better for low keys? Elune's chosen or Keeper of the grove

[delicate perch]

define low

[indigo flicker]

10 and below

[delicate perch]

keeper could be better ya

[indigo flicker]

Alright cool, ty

[jade flume]

Keeper is not real and cant hurt u

In dungeons

[delicate perch]

very true

[supple summit]

hello hello , quick question about the Ilvl upgrade tomorrow, for balance Druide will still use the circle ring with the possible 684 ring item level ?

[pallid bay]

yea

[jade flume]

No shot

[cloud plover]

as long as ur spec scales with mastery the ring will stay insanely good

cuz it scales with ur mastery so it grows with u

[idle sphinx]

do I get the gilded achievement if I craft 675 in all slots?

[barren carbon]

I believe the achievement requires 675 overall ilvl, so yes

[meager jacinth]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1QqgJ8wMxVZkJcDfGxyNGD

Ok i probably don't know how to use it

[pallid bay]

well you have single target talents

[jade flume]

Wth

Boomkers siming 4.3mil single targot nowadays

Homies in my guild sandbagging hard

[meager jacinth]

Fuck i putted the wrong one

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oDTJHDS6hVhQgxNWu4KjxY

Not sure if it's make more sense, -7.4% for a trinket seems a lot

[digital berry]

How do you sim higher with kotg st in mdt then ec m+ in mdt im confused

[meager jacinth]

I think the one displayed is just non sense but the rest uder is OK.

[eager raft]

The dps number of an mdt sim is useless you’re just using it to compare things

honestly the same can be said about any time of sim

but mdt sim is turbo flawed and imo not really worth even using

[jade flume]

Mdt sim is bis

[digital berry]

Chat I don’t know what to spend my first dinars on, mugz is my best upgrade followed by hoc and jastors, but I can’t buy mugz yet. Should I wait to kill it probably next reset or just bite the bullet and go bis ?

[jade flume]

(never used it)

[digital berry]

Ok so what is the difference betweeen the two in a basic st sim?

[pallid bay]

idk why you pasted all of that in expert mode

your character does not go here

your mastery and haste is very close so depending on your flask you'll proc haste from priory trinket

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hoEgBmXjaGVHu1UvL4pyWU

[meager jacinth]

I flask Mastery

[jade flume]

Sim dont probably

[pallid bay]

yes but you didnt select that in the sim

default is alchemical chaos

[eager raft]

Weirdest part is this is for an entirely different character 💀

[scarlet tapir]

theres a server called fyrakk?

cold

[lofty depot]

Well no he's the fire one

[drifting nova]

are we ever seeing the uber dragon?

[loud kettle]

You're thinking vyranoth

[eager raft]

That’s that’s a tournament realm server

[drifting nova]

if I dont know what I'm thinking

I doubt you do

[eager raft]

Or ptr

one of the 2

[lofty depot]

4*

[loud kettle]

Not u silly

Ur thinking galakrond

[drifting nova]

no, the 4 dragons from df

[loud kettle]

Which we saw a part of in doti

[drifting nova]

there were 4 no?

[digital berry]

Next reset I’m gonna be valorstone fucked so bad I already know, I’ll have hundreds of gilded and won’t be able to spend them

[meager jacinth]

Perfect thanks

[loud kettle]

Those are the incarnates and none of them are particularly massive, maybe referring to iridikron who is too scared?

[lofty depot]

Just go farm some dungeons Bud

[drifting nova]

no, there were 4 incarnates

[digital berry]

Bro valorstone farming is hell you get so few

[drifting nova]

4

[loud kettle]

Yes iridikron is one of them

[drifting nova]

almost made me die smh

[jade flume]

Aint no way people enter dungeons for free these days

[drifting nova]

ok but where are the others

if the xpac only had 2

or 3

[jade flume]

Play expediton 33 or sth

[pallid bay]

damn i didnt give this any thought, my alt has 400 crests to spend

[digital berry]

Already finished

[lofty depot]

We killed 1

[pallid bay]

miserable

[lofty depot]

Then we killed a other 2 tier later

[jade flume]

Play maple story

[eager raft]

Do u have valorstone items in your bags

[loud kettle]

Raszageth fyrakk vyranoth

[lofty depot]

Then frost last is friend

[drifting nova]

rasz, sark and the fire one

[lofty depot]

Now rock dude not friend

[drifting nova]

[loud kettle]

Iridikron

[eager raft]

I have like 1200 valorstones I can click outta my bag tmrw

[digital berry]

I feel like everyone if minmaxing gilded usage while valorstone is going to be the biggest blockade for anyone who doesnt have a bunch of alts

[pallid bay]

yeah i have a few

[jade flume]

I have 0 gilded saved up

[lofty depot]

Can't u trade valoratone?

[jade flume]

Im safe from valor stone bonanza

[eager raft]

Still gonna run out

But yeah u can trade from other character

[loud kettle]

In order top to bottom its fyrakk vyranoth iridikron raszageth

[pallid bay]

20% fun tax on transfering stones

[lofty depot]

Says the multiple alt haver

[digital berry]

I have played my alts a total of 10 minutes this season to cheat renown once

[lofty depot]

Tragic

I have 2k on my drood

2k on mage

We outside with it

[pallid bay]

2k is not enough

[scarlet tapir]

thats thats a torunament realm? no way

[eager raft]

Not even close

[scarlet tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-laughing-gif-13031147940704744720

[eager raft]

Hahahahaha

That gif is so good

[scarlet tapir]

best part is

i can hear the gif

its so good

[digital berry]

Well the biggest valor sink per upgrade is 2h weapon so if you got crafted or take bis that’s already a bit of relief

Do we know if dinars give max upgraded items yet ?

[scarlet tapir]

why would they

[drifting nova]

haha no

it's blizzard

dont be silly

[eager raft]

why wouldn’t they

[drifting nova]

you sausage

[scarlet tapir]

they didnt do for rare rings on dragonflight

[eager raft]

If u have to kill the mythic boss to get it

[scarlet tapir]

or any gear

[jade flume]

Bis will start at 630 ilvl from vendor

1/22 upgrades

[digital berry]

Everything is uncapped, there’s no reason not to

[eager raft]

Why wouldn’t it give the regular ilvl loot

[drifting nova]

counterpoint, blizzard

[digital berry]

https://tenor.com/view/gritito-gif-17274376822241272426

[eager raft]

There’s not like an ‘awakened’ upgrade track like there was in DF

Worst case they’ll be 1/8 myth

[jade flume]

Awaken deez

[scarlet tapir]

i mean u have stones discount and no cost crest right

until ur higher ilvl on the piece

so it makes sense it is base ilvl

which also allows people that got hc items to upgrade further once they get myth kills

[digital berry]

Also, I watched the latest Tettles video and they changed how the discount works? It’s no longer based off of highest ilvl across the war bound per slot ?

[eager raft]

The discount is based on highest ilvl across warbound but you don’t need a 675 in each slot to get the achievement

[digital berry]

So why does Tettles even mention the discount at all in his video? It’s completely useless on your main it’s just an alt thing

[eager raft]

But if you get the achievement but and only have 658 wrists anywhere in hr account, you still have to spend 15 crests for upgrade on that slot

[pallid bay]

[eager raft]

If you have higher ilvl in a slot on a different character your main gets the discount

[digital berry]

I guess if you play more then one characters actively it makes sense

[eager raft]

Like my hunter and Druid have different 678 slots so when I get the achievement both characters will benefit

[muted canopy]

I mostly play bear, trying to make sure I have boomkin ready though to offspec into, are my stats just super glorked?

thats after swapping wep/trink/rings too LOL

[digital berry]

Impossible to tell anything meaningful from a random stat breakdown

[eager raft]

lot of vers

Is this in moonkin form?

[muted canopy]

this is in moonkin form

[muted canopy]

Well then what would be better for getting advice on stats

[eager raft]

Just sim top gear dw about stats

[digital berry]

SIM droptimizer or smth

[eager raft]

Your sim will likely point you toward dropping vers and a bit of haste for lots of mastery and a bit of crit

as long as you have items to accommodate that

[muted canopy]

Well I can't in good faith recraft any of my bear gear so, thats a yikes

Always annoying when the dump stat for one spec is the best for another

[digital berry]

Well… that’s why people have multiple of the same class

[eager raft]

it’s not really all that important

Just play it with the stats you have

[muted canopy]

disgusting. One druid per account, easy

[eager raft]

And as you get more sparks just craft pieces with better stats for boomy

[muted canopy]

Thats the plan going forward, yeah

Craft another neck next probably

[loud kettle]

Should've just went haste mastery

Then you're happy as all 4 specs

[muted canopy]

waiter waiter more vers

To be fair I rolled this character with the intention of just being a shitter bear but now we need a shitter boomkin

[craggy sonnet]

Depending on your vault situation, you can essentially get a full spark every week going forward. So it's not that long of a process either

[normal pilot]

mastery is better defensively for bear anyways

just recraft if you're going to play more balance

[digital berry]

Wait for next week to save some gold

Have the ah prices for mats skyrocketed yet considering everyone and they momma gonna be recrafting tomorrow and Wednesday?

[lofty depot]

They don't skyrocket til people use them

Same with enchants generally

[shy robin]

my sim is valuing mythic signet over hero house of cards which sure whatever obey robot but I thought house of cards would be better just bc its only 10 secs off of incarn CD. Do we just hold incarns to line up with signet or what's the play there?

[digital berry]

Well often times people will buy them out and relist for higher price

[lofty depot]

Depends a lot on what you're pulling

[shy robin]

I guess like Stix prog rn

[digital berry]

Remember that incarn cd doesn’t get wasted until you are 2/2 charges

Signet on stix is so bad cause you absolutely don’t want to hold

[lofty depot]

Well during raid, yes u hold ur CDs for it

[digital berry]

How do you even hold on stix do you just not send on an add set if signet is not up?

[digital berry]

How much more is the signet over hoc

[round field]

No you just send

If trinket up good if not unlucky

[digital berry]

That’s what I assumed

Cause there’s no way you’re just sitting on cds when adds are spawning

[lofty depot]

Stix is a different case, but raid in general, ur sending ever 2m with signet

[digital berry]

I mean you’re already sending every 2m with convoke in a normal scenario

[lofty depot]

Says the 150 convoke CA timing but sure

[slim iris]

Not really

You can easily hold 3:30 treants to convoke at 3:45

That is what you should be doing

Without trinket

[dry compass]

Delete control of the dream

Good lord just bin it

[slim iris]

Control is good

[lucid olive]

wrong

[meager storm]

how about we delete the whole spec and redo it

thoughts?

[slim iris]

Use brain

[lucid olive]

when are u killing gally

[slim iris]

People complain about being bored playing this and want to make it even more boring

[meager storm]

next week perhaps

[lucid olive]

i'm rank 5 on boss damage all star

are all u guys just padding or

filthy

[meager storm]

i mean kotg was for sure worked around pulsar, we had pulsar iirc every 45s just like trees

😔

[slim iris]

Yeah so I’m not gonna advocate for removing more stuff

If it can be replaced by something better go for it

But I’m not talking about how it should be

Just how it do be

[meager storm]

thats the point

[lucid olive]

i think the guy got sick of trying to design cooldowns around pulsar when he made kotg

[meager storm]

control was for sure in case pulasr was late

[lucid olive]

control of the dream was very obviously designed to alleviate the timing constraints

[slim iris]

When pulsar got removed we coped so hard

Rework surely

[lucid olive]

you should read bicotti tweets

[meager storm]

i doomed and i was right

[lucid olive]

good moonkin player quit during VOTI and now comes back to this iteration

[meager storm]

from peak to rock bottom

[lucid olive]

so he doesnt have the story of stuff happened since then, think his reaction to the current state is a good POV

[digital berry]

Surely this is not the worst interaction of balance since voti

[lucid olive]

?

when has been worse

[meager storm]

i could literally have pulsar by itself, without CAs

[lucid olive]

VOTI was the best version of balance that i've played

[meager storm]

and it would feel better than this

we had more CA uptime with just pulsar

then we got convoke casting wraths to mobs immune or outside of vexies room

[lucid olive]

I went back the other day to watch my Halondrus video

and when I pressed incarn it had 40s duration

with 300 stack Pulsar

[mint ruin]

starfall in motherlode? bad thing or how do i go about it?

[round field]

Press it

[lucid olive]

starfall in aoe no matter the dungeon

[mint ruin]

kept pulling other packs even when i tried to postion carefully

[lucid olive]

Starfall doesnt pull

[meager storm]

that was not u

[woven flint]

didnt see this in pins or compendium but with increased item level will we replace the circlet ring and what ring if replaced

[lucid olive]

no

[mint ruin]

really? so if it damages another pack it wont pull?

kept getting the blame my starfall was pulling

[lucid olive]

it doesnt damage mobs that arent in combat

[mint ruin]

thanks

[lucid olive]

if somebody pulls with their fat ass then starfall starts ticking on it

[woven flint]

is this on replacing the circlet

[lucid olive]

yes

circlet good

[mint ruin]

hehe ok thanks

[woven flint]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-bruh-smiling-drive-gif-15005835

[meager storm]

surely they will nerf it at some point

[lucid olive]

there are some cases where mobs are in RP combat with other mobs and Starfall can pull, but there are none this season

like the 1st boss in Siege of Boralus had that issue until it was fixed

[lofty depot]

Blud thinks voti was worse ?

[digital berry]

didnt say that

but idk this iteration i feel like is not that atrocious

[lofty depot]

U said since voti meaning that's the bench mark

[hardy crystal]

Hello peeps, is it better to Spam Sunfire or Moonfire, as the tank Gathers all the mobs to nuke them down?

or it does not matter?

[lofty depot]

"nuke them down" is not what our dots do

But yes u should be dotting them

[digital berry]

it's the benchmark for the ceiling, not the floor

[sacred tulip]

I try to mf while things are gathered, so fire once gathered and then rota. sometimes mobs don't get mf, in my play anyway

sun*

[hardy crystal]

My bad I just noticed I worded my question weirdly. I meant, as the tank gathers all the mobs for the pull, It'd be a better use of my abilities to dot everyone first with moonfire, and as soon as they're all stacked, to slam sunfire (as it hits one target and everyone in an area) or the other way around?

[hardy crystal]

thank you, that's what has been happening to me lately

[digital berry]

moonfire as tank gathers, sunfire when gathered

[hardy crystal]

Where I try to spread mf, and on some pulls and not everyone gets dotted properly

[lofty depot]

well moonfire hits 2 targets

sunfire hits in an aoe

so u moonfire when theyre spread out

sunfire when theyre all stacked

then cd

[sacred tulip]

it's always kind of awkward for me especially if the pull is alot of garbage trash. high burst melee have them dead so fast and then my#s look bad, but when stuff lives longer it starts to shine

[stray hamlet]

is verse/mastery simming higher for ST for yall too. i only have 9k haste but haste seems to always sim lower .

[lofty depot]

it can yes

[hazy storm]

If you’re doing keys below like 11-12ish treants are smoother to play since they moonfire for you and to avoid mobs dying so quick

[digital berry]

that's just how balance has always been

[royal zenith]

disagree with the "that's just how it is"

do better

[hardy crystal]

lmao

[digital berry]

can't disagree with facts, you cannot outdps a melee in a pull with 20 shitters and one real mob

[slim iris]

You can

If you know how to pad

[royal zenith]

^

[hardy crystal]

What is that "pad" ?

[digital berry]

lmao pre treant ca sunfire 3 wrath for insta burst i guess

[slim iris]

Not really but ye

[subtle sail]

do this while tank is grouping, Moonfire > wraths for eclipse > sunfire once mobs grouped

[slim iris]

P much

[sacred tulip]

I'm referring to non elite trash and me spreading dots while pally pressed one button. not a complaint, just an observation from me. I'm also not pushing above 14s yet. maybe different higher up

[slim iris]

Pad is like doing damage that’s not useful to killing a boss/timing a key but makes you look good on details

[digital berry]

tbh if youre unable to do dmg in keys around 13/14 then it's 100% not a class problem

[gusty torrent]

hey guys quick question, the cyrce´s circlet ring 658 is absolut BiS for balance does that change with higher ilvl rings now?

[slim iris]

So if there’s a big guy that has to die and a bunch of little guys that do nothing and you starfall instead of surging you’re padding

[hardy crystal]

Oh, I for sure do not know how to do that at all 🤣

[hazy storm]

Ret dmg is pad just ignore them

[lofty depot]

it doesnt change

[slim iris]

Ye it’s silly

[gusty torrent]

ty

[slim iris]

I only teach ethical gameplay

[royal zenith]

(so he can pad, himself)

[sacred tulip]

fingers crossed for me. id love to upgrade from champ energy drink this reset

[slim iris]

[subtle sail]

[slim iris]

It’s a serious thing that sounds like a joke

I don’t teach the dark arts

[lucid olive]

when are u gonna show up on all star again big man

[sacred tulip]

yeah when check overall I'm usually highest in priority targets/bosses. as long as I get invited to groups I don't really mind how it looks

brez and mark go a long way too 😉

[dry compass]

We could unironically make a better boomkin spec between us

[sacred tulip]

I would love for them to add back the ability to cast while moving within starfall. that would be a big win for me

[lofty depot]

starfall cd inc

starfall too op

[sacred tulip]

I'm also still upset that they went with convoke over RF....

[quiet drift]

Funny spinny hands button

[lucid olive]

I said forever that Kindling should be in a choice node with Stellar Drift that puts Starfall on a CD

[quiet drift]

The joke hasnt gotten old in 5years

[lucid olive]

the goat

[meager storm]

thats how it was before

[quiet drift]

Fuck Drift

Sepulcher was so degenerate

[sacred tulip]

the cast while moving limited starfall to one active

I'm ok with that

[calm ibex]

That wasn’t because of drift

[meager storm]

we needed drift these past tiers

[quiet drift]

Take drift over Flare and play like a psuedo hunter

[meager storm]

too much movement

[quiet drift]

🤢

[quiet drift]

Better and more interesting options than Drift

Drift entails the same gameplay but being able A-D spam

[lucid olive]

making WoE be pickable in raid would also alleviate a lot of the movement issues

[quiet drift]

Starweaver should be the movement option

Instead of a dead talent

[lucid olive]

movement becomes a problem when a mechanic overlaps with Eclipse cycling

and WoE should just be used to cycle Solar again

[sacred tulip]

I also miss engaging tiers. Nighthold tier is still my fav

[meager storm]

fyrakk could have been so much better with drift

that boss is so ass

[lucid olive]

Drift would also remove skill expression

[quiet drift]

^^

Its a slippery slope

Cuz once the tuning hits a point where the guaranteed uptime is just better

Its just so lame

[slim iris]

Who cares

Don’t know don’t care

[lofty depot]

Is that bicotti 👀

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-smash-wood-playing-gif-17749007

[dry compass]

I echo my beta argument of hero talent trees hard-locking in a choice node is bad design

[slim iris]

New stan dropped

[quiet drift]

I think its fine if rest of the Hero trees makes sense with the kit

EC m+ is a good hero tree

[lucid olive]

the last remaining astrology girl

[quiet drift]

KotG is legit just a DMG amp

Tied to Trees

[pallid bay]

maybe but aoe rotation is bad and stupid and bad

[lucid olive]

yeah Harmony of the Heavens is very lazy

[dry compass]

But the point is kotg doesn't even function without trees so WoE may as well not exist in that spec

[lucid olive]

https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxcOSzg5ysbK3XguAzIXLcrwemNAFxluMa

[pallid bay]

[slim iris]

Play the blooming infusion minigame and gaslight yourself into thinking it’s useful

Welcome to tww

Go next

[dry compass]

I seem to also remember saying in beta that calling was going to end up the choice and result in giga-degenerate rotations

[meager storm]

elunes chosen forcing u to choose 4 talents is not good

[quiet drift]

Now imagine 10.0.5 build

[meager storm]

at least kotg only makesu choose 1

[quiet drift]

Its the same but without the Fury of Elune minigame

yippeee

[lucid olive]

EC doesn't function without FoE and is a lot more restrictive on your talent choices

[drifting nova]

almost as if

hero talents bad

[dry compass]

True - though it is technically playable with full moon, just bad

[lucid olive]

well has the same issue with moons

need moons + RM

[dry compass]

At least the hero tree doesn't do a whole lot of nothing with moons lol

[lucid olive]

need firmament+OB choice node too

[dry compass]

But yeah the hero tree design is really fucking bad for how it restricts the class tree options

[lucid olive]

so you're left with like 1 point to spend after taking all the mandatory stuff + routing stuff

[dry compass]

Why they designed TWO hero trees that work through optional talents in the first place idk

[pallid bay]

crazy that you could anticipate the tuning already in beta

[drifting nova]

they'l pull the tuning knobs any day now

just like shadowlands

[dry compass]

Don't most other hero talents function with baseline kits?

[lucid olive]

reminder that Lunar Calling started at 40% extra primary target damage

[pallid bay]

what was this

time for memory lane ig

[lofty depot]

Didn't it get buffed like 6x from the original lol

He knew, surely

[dry compass]

Less anticipation of the tuning and more "they're gonna keep buffing this until it's too strong and then leave it because the mole people will love it"

[quiet drift]

Starfire only build

the astral smolder dark times

began

[lofty depot]

The UI Starfire build during s1

[lucid olive]

oh yeah when Starfire did more damage to the secondary target

[lofty depot]

That people played on nokhud

[lucid olive]

I remember using Starfire on Kurog add to do boss dam

[pallid bay]

didnt u play weaver

[quiet drift]

yurrr

[pallid bay]

in 10.0.5

[quiet drift]

I think there was a build

where u ignored

all spender

[dry compass]

Half the playerbase would pick a one-button rotation that has them topping meters rather than something fun and engaging

[quiet drift]

went full filler

[pallid bay]

look at that dude

insane tree

foe shrooms flare weaver

[meager storm]

😔 🥀

[lofty depot]

[meager storm]

i will never forgive them

[royal zenith]

its worth talking here again??

iq went up? holllyyyy

[meager storm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/390310690113454082/821719577443958804/1354449706030657536.gif

[south bay]

Hey guys should I pick HoC & Mug heroic or Signet & Blazz/Scardyn Myth? I only do m+ (trying to push keys)

[lofty depot]

Sim it, all the mythic track items u have are good

[lucid olive]

hero Moxie Jug and myth Priory would be my shout

[vast jungle]

95% of this guys posts are "sim it"

Do u get paid per comment?

[mighty mica]

because 95% of the time it's the correct answer

[lofty depot]

Maybe if people rubbed their 2 braincells together I wouldn't have to

[eager raft]

need to perma some people on the low end

[teal sphinx]

but why cant you just create a bis list like they had in wrath

[eager raft]

Then it’ll go up enough for it to be worth talking

[digital berry]

pls no

[vast jungle]

I mean theres a case to be made as to how relevant or reliable sims are when it comes to m+.

(in some cases)

[teal sphinx]

you are a boomy

[lucid olive]

whats the alternative

[digital berry]

you either sim or feelycraft

[teal sphinx]

sim ST patchwerk

[digital berry]

which one is more reliable

[vast jungle]

If you know what u are doing when u are simming, sure.
My point is, many people dont.

[drifting nova]

vibes all day

[vast jungle]

And generally people know exacly what trinkets are good and arent

and u dont need to tell ppl to sim

[lofty depot]

Wrong

[lucid olive]

what is there to know

[drifting nova]

doesnt help the trinkets are utter dog

[lucid olive]

you click top gear and click the trinkets and run sim

Somebody comes in and asks question about an item slot without any other information about their character, do you tell them to sim and make an educated guess for themselves or do you potentially mislead them?

[mighty mica]

raidbots simplifies it so much, you don't need to know the indepths on how to sim anymore

[lucid olive]

There's also no way to really know that the guy replying to you has any clue what he's talking about

[lofty depot]

Imagine being able to help yourself when u need information

[fervent merlin]

[lucid olive]

People might not like the interaction that "lmao just sim it d000d" gives but it is almos uneqoivcally the correct answer

[vast jungle]

I mean I think its pretty reliable to state what trinkets are best/good and what arent. Regardless of what information u have and dont.

[scarlet tapir]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/289415799158865920/1237876373373059196/mike-wazowski-mike-getting-coiled.gif

[quiet drift]

Teaching people how to think is always better than telling them what to think

[lofty depot]

So they had 5 trinkets which are good

[royal zenith]

true

[lucid olive]

And if someone is not proficient at simming or doesn't know, then that's actually good questions you could answer and be helpful when answering

[lofty depot]

Which ones should they use, and whats ur reasoning?

[quiet drift]

and there is always a chance some dudes character is like Haste highest stat

Telling that guy to go Priory is like

Something

Hence simming is always the most reliable

[lofty depot]

"oh idk people use hoc and mugz so use that" type shit

[digital berry]

also we dont know if myth prio or hero HoC is btter because it highly depends on other stats

skardyn core myth might outsim mugzee hero

like there are variables

[teal sphinx]

@mighty mica

[lofty depot]

It might outsim mugz mythic hmm

[teal sphinx]

i see that react emote

gib to all

[meager storm]

skardyn is a degen and very volatile trinket

[mighty mica]

?

[meager storm]

a no no

[mint bane]

how good is skardyn in parctice? do you lose uptime to collect the balls?

[teal sphinx]

give the power to all of us

[mighty mica]

sucks to suck

[quiet drift]

Why cant you react

😭

One has to ruin it for all...

[lofty depot]

Type shit

Can white names not even react after uve emoted

That's crazy

[mighty mica]

they can

[vast jungle]

So a sim where one trinket says +30k dps and another one says -30k dps.
You honestly think this is always accurate?

My whole point is that when sims tell you something, it doesnt always have to be relevant or reliable.

1. It depends how you sim
2. It depends what you want to know (m+ or ST)
3. It depends how you play

A sim is a sim, not a simulation of someones gameplay with the gear they've chosen.

This is why I merely stated sims arent always as reliable as you might think.

[lofty depot]

Ah, okok

[teal sphinx]

everyone can hit it after its been applied dumbass

[mighty mica]

pepsi just loves to complain

[lucid olive]

the balls stand still for a few seconds and then slowly move towards you

[lofty depot]

Finnish hospital

[teal sphinx]

i just want the ability to add them to anything

[lucid olive]

but you might lose uptime running to collect it

[scarlet tapir]

1 PM???? bro lives in the ocean

[meager storm]

???

[lofty depot]

Thyme ahab

[meager storm]

EST

the one and only, the true timezone

[lofty depot]

A lot of yap and none of which said what trinket they should use

[scarlet tapir]

thats gmt but sure

[warm ridge]

Can any1 recommend a youtube channel with m+ boomie videos (preferably 15+ key range)?

[lofty depot]

Thanks for trying tho, I'll continue saying sim it

[lofty depot]

Dwilkz, krona

[vast jungle]

Obviousley, its your way of feeling relevant.

Have at it

[warm ridge]

Thank you sir

[teal sphinx]

sims are 100% reliable. they tell you exactly what the outcome is of the information YOU put into them. if you dont know how to sim just ask.

[mighty mica]

the pope's holy land is in CDT, beat that

[teal sphinx]

if its a skill issue on your part then GG i guess

[lucid olive]

https://youtu.be/G4DGgK5xQmM?si=Wi_ZchgwGn1GlMkS this video is pretty good

[mighty mica]

you're still going to come back and throw more shit the next time he says it, just like the last few times

[lofty depot]

Like, comment, subscribe

[vast jungle]

You dont understand anything of what I said.

[warm ridge]

Thanks!

[meager storm]

the only issue u may ever have with a trinket is when ur stats are weird and a trinket like mirror or priory sims really low cuz u have more haste than mastery, the rest is just yap u follow the bot

[eager raft]

shit

[vast jungle]

If you are going to argue a sim is 100% reliable, despite of what I said, you need to explain to me how that can be if:

1. The person doesnt play exacly like the sim is done. (Pressing the same buttons at the same time, always)
2. If you chose Patchwerk, how do you know if that sim is 100% accurate if you are after AoE?

Bare in mind many times the upgrades are like +20k dps and such, which means that unless the above is 100% synced, in many cases it could be a completley different result in reality.

[teal sphinx]

yea i do. because you are playing a class where it doesnt really matter in gearing between m+ and ST. simming patchwerk ST gives you a fairly accurate idea of what you will be seeing in a m+ scenario with gearing. you would know that if you asked about how to sim.

[vast jungle]

"fairly accurate" isnt 100%

So i think i proved my point

[tardy oasis]

will any turbo-boosted rings replace circe's for boomy? or is it still going to be bis for us?

[teal sphinx]

[eager raft]

what is ur point tho

[drifting nova]

circlets til last titan

[meager storm]

MDT for m+, st for raid

[eager raft]

like it’s as accurate as you can get

[meager storm]

thats all

[teal sphinx]

but its not 100% accurate therefore sims are worthless

GG go next

[lofty depot]

Can you point to the trinkets they should use, or are u still yapping?

[mighty mica]

st patchwerk sims for aoe encounters are considered the "lazy" sim, it's not stating it's 100% accurate

[teal sphinx]

feelscraft

[eager raft]

mdt sim bad 🗣️

[mighty mica]

but it's still far better than any feelycraft

[meager storm]

i mean sure, make a script for the whole fight to make it more accurate

[mighty mica]

just proving the point that you don't know nearly enough about simming to discredit it so quickly

[manic harness]

Gameplay differences shouldnt affect sims when it comes to stat trinkets tho unless your cds aren't synced but i think thats not what u re talking about xd

[eager raft]

mdt sim overvalues certain things due to its inherent flaws 🗣️

[lofty depot]

We don't press the same buttons at the same time on a normal ST sim for anything, so just never sim

[hushed path]

hey guys
on 2 targets , starsurge or starfall ?

[lofty depot]

Brainrot take

[vast jungle]

Oh I thought everything was 100% clear and accurate? Why are we giving different opinions on how to sim 😄

[lofty depot]

In m+, starfall

[digital berry]

what are you even arguing

[eager raft]

🗣️

[hushed path]

ty

[lofty depot]

Why arent u telling the person what trinkets to use?

Just arguing about sim

Brainrot

[teal sphinx]

he is arguing sims are worthless, and you should feelscraft everything because how can a sim be correct

[eager raft]

vibes>sims

[vast jungle]

I havent said sims are worthless

[manic harness]

Cause it depends bro, i feel like it depends and the data is only 99.9% accurate

[eager raft]

just crunch the #s in your head

[teal sphinx]

DONT TRUST BIG SIM!!!!!!

[lofty depot]

U haven't said what trinkets they should use either

So either say what trinkets to use, or stfu

[mighty mica]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-mentat-thufir-thinking-thufir-hawat-gif-24418611

[vast jungle]

Make me

[mighty mica]

ok

[eager raft]

99.9%

[lofty depot]

1 blocked message

[eager raft]

MAKE ME

[teal sphinx]

big sim tells you lies because they want to hide all the good shit for the chinese raiders!!!

[eager raft]

[meager storm]

🥀

[quiet drift]

pmo

🥀

[mighty mica]

ts pmo 🥀

[digital berry]

what is this new wilted rose meta

i dont get it

i see it all voer tiktok

[teal sphinx]

its a lazy attempt to replace

[meager storm]

dont listen to saint on this one

[quiet drift]

Gramps is keeping up

[mighty mica]

lmaooo

[quiet drift]

(not me learning it a week ago)

👴

[eager raft]

idk what it’s about but ima start using it someone lemme know if I do it right

[quiet drift]

ts fr

[hazy storm]

Back in my day in Molten Core everyone used the same trinkets.. there was no “simming”

[eager raft]

on g

[digital berry]

i also learned recently abou sybau

[quiet drift]

Thats mean

):

[eager raft]

shut yo bitch ass up?

[quiet drift]

Back when Warriors werent good till Naxx

[wooden holly]

I feel like an old man asking "what are kids talking about these days?" when I see all this brainrot stuff

[digital berry]

eyah

i thouight it was korean

[teal sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/betty-white-cheers-salute-shots-drinking-gif-2213666948687721228

[hazy storm]

(Im not that old)

[drifting nova]

pushing 60

[meager storm]

its ok im 20 and i find a lot of this stuff dumb af

[hazy storm]

That’s how I feel about you

(Sorry)

[wooden holly]

I'd guess early 30s from your pfp

[lofty depot]

That's like u going on the black top and seeing someone had Jordans while not missing a 3pt all day, so now i have to have Jordans cuz they definitely will make you better

[hollow mist]

trueeee

[hazy storm]

26, im an old man boomer now

[hollow mist]

if 26 is a boomer then im a milf

[hazy storm]

I’d give this a 💯 react emoji if I could

[wooden holly]

I guess I'm a corpse

[lofty depot]

26 is boomer now?

Kids these days

[teal sphinx]

arent you like 32

[lofty depot]

Yes

[hazy storm]

🙂

[lofty depot]

Which was the point dork

[meager storm]

holy arctic

[teal sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-brooks-hatlen-the-shawshank-redemption-is-that-so-disappointed-gif-23667336

[wooden holly]

I'm 39...just put me in the retirement home

or ground

[lofty depot]

Holyyyy

Unc

[wooden holly]

either way

[hazy storm]

Unc status for sure

[lofty depot]

Blud is half way to the grave actual

[hazy storm]

39 and playing wow with that vision? Sheesh

[wooden holly]

Everything is big

(what he said?)

[meager storm]

[lofty depot]

Zan is the reason they made the 1 button rotation

[wooden holly]

we have someone in our guild in his 60s, he is DEF the reason for the 1 button rotation...and he's ret

[lofty depot]

Says the reason

[hazy storm]

Does 1 button rotation keep dots up and use solar / lunar correctly?

[eager raft]

We expecting 9 hour maintenance tomorrow so they can add 2 vendors to the game??

[wooden holly]

I cant imagine this 1 button rotation working well

[subtle sail]

No only 4 hours!

[hazy storm]

I’m gonna use it on a prog boss and see if guild notices

[wooden holly]

I haven't looked a ton into it, how would it work with something like fire mage that's all proccy

[eager raft]

Gonna be a bit embarrassing if they don’t

[hazy storm]

They’ll prolly just think I’m playing normal smh

[lofty depot]

When testing, it was dotting multiple mobs until u targeted them

[wooden holly]

only when his numbers go up 👀

[outer sorrel]

oooh boy, they're back

[lofty depot]

They got buffed

Blizzard just wanted them to hide out for half the season

[fossil shard]

they're back but they aren't mandatory

so its fine

(ish)

[outer sorrel]

I like Bull Rush but I wish it were like... 2 yards shorter

a Bull Jog perhaps

[drifting nova]

[hollow mist]

what

something to say KEKKERS?

[calm ibex]

MILF is a mindset

[lofty depot]

Not yet

[fossil shard]

silence

[hollow mist]

🤝

[mighty mica]

a lot of us did wish her a happy mother's Day yesterday, it's only fitting

[tulip fjord]

Is buying Best in slots worth it over a 675 weapon if you cant get the myth track?

[lofty depot]

No

[ionic oak]

No

[tulip fjord]

Thats what I thought, thanks!

[lofty depot]

Slow

[ionic oak]

Lol i tried

[lofty depot]

So true

[hollow mist]

it only made me happy sob a little bit

[lucid olive]

Turbo Boost and Corruption stuff

This assumes max myth ilvl (684), remember to sim your character to choose the best option for yourself (these are not in order of power level)

Raid Chips:

• Mug's Moxie Jug
• House of Cards
• The Jastor Diamond
• Best-In-Slots

Mythic+ Chips:

• Signet of the Priory
• Carved Blazikon Wax
• Entropic Skardyn Core

Corruptions
Void Ritual is generally performing best for both ST and AoE. Sim your character to make sure!

---

Note: Hero track Mug's Moxie Jug is still very good, sim this with the mythic+ trinkets if your character doesn't meet the requirements for buying it on myth track.

There's some situations where Cyrce's Circlet loses out to 684 rings in MDT sims or in ST sims depending on your stats. Sim your character and find out if it's worth dropping Circlet for you

[lucid olive]

@mighty mica pin

[astral wave]

amirdrassil soloable on normal now?

[mighty mica]

[astral wave]

what a scam volcoross didnt even drop anything

[round field]

Yea its not legacy loot

[loud kettle]

so i killed mythic gally but I only care about pushing keys, should I get signet first ?

[earnest abyss]

That list is just where the best items are from, doesn't mean signet is better for M+

[maiden pasture]

Ragebait unsuccessful

[lofty depot]

But the sim isn't accurate, can u please tell me what to use

[loud kettle]

Yea i simmed the m+ options and it says to get wax actually

[lucid olive]

unfortunate

when are they buffing feral again

[lofty depot]

Only wax u getting is on the black top blud

[loud kettle]

11.1.7 maybe

[wooden holly]

I feelycrafted and priory is def our best trinket 👀

[loud kettle]

oh I thought the lists were where to use

[leaden birch]

i love following the BIS list

the best possible thing that I can buy with dinars is heroic jastor diamond

boring

[dry compass]

Just kill Gally 4head

Gally unironically pretty easy just getting to him that's the problem

[faint compass]

What's the SpellID for mushrooms proc'd off the 2pc? Trying to add it to my plater blacklist

[loud kettle]

its the same shroom

for your purposes anyway stinky traitor

[faint compass]

you have more boomkin boss kills than I do

[loud kettle]

its the same shroom

[faint compass]

Yeah idk why it's not actually being filtered out

[loud kettle]

unironically

[faint compass]

it's fine I'll just use a color swap instead

[sour basin]

I blacklisted fungal growth by name

[cloud lion]

how the fuck boomies survive floodgate 17 and higher

[sour basin]

Rather than ID and it worked for me

[dry compass]

Isn't the spell id of the dot different than the shroom

[cloud lion]

mudslide is ticking like there is no tomorrow

[dry compass]

Isn't mudslide the frontal

If you're getting tickled by that it's not a mystery why you can't live

Are you thinking awaken the swamp

[cloud lion]

ah name of bosas is swamface

the dot is slaping + his hit when spawn bubbles to dodge

it was decent run until we died on swampface

he was destroying us

[clever tangle]

Is it worth having a wa to track if you have moonfire on all mobs? i mean for big pulls

[vast jungle]

Why not just look at the nameplates? Add some space between them if u find it hard to see and pre-dot on the pulls

[lofty depot]

Fungal growth is the dot

Sundered w.e. is the mushroom talent
Wild mushroom is what it spawns or w.e.

[clever tangle]

Yea, you might be right

[lofty depot]

Big pulls ur moonfire all the adds before sunfiring, so how u know how many mobs are pulled or being pulled

But yea, add some space on ur plater, tilt ur screen maybe

[scarlet tapir]

ok he didnt ask for an essay bro...

[lucid olive]

sunseeker

[lofty depot]

Yea w.e. the fuck exactly

[lofty depot]

If 2-3 sentences is an essay, I'm sure you passed any writing assignment ever

[scarlet tapir]

i didnt do essays when i studied

i did entire books

[meager storm]

At least make it believable man

[scarlet tapir]

you are right

i did the less i could cause my teachers didnt order a yappacino

[meager storm]

There u go

[topaz kestrel]

We still run circle next week, yes?

[lucid olive]

yes

[cloud lion]

they should let us upgrade it to 678 at least make it more OP

[orchid ember]

no ty

[cloud lion]

add new gems to make people mad

tomorrow is just another testing for NA and fixing bugs for EU

There is no way any new patch will go smooth

[topaz kestrel]

[sacred tulip]

is it copium to look for the energy drink as a purchase?

I've not stepped into mythic raid so not much hope there unless I buy a run...

[fossil shard]

Isn’t this a delve trinket?

[delicate perch]

Yes

[fossil shard]

Can you even get those from the vendor lol

Surely not

[delicate perch]

Do not believe so

[daring mulch]

anyone know how much we get dinar token at wednesday and how much is the limit of token?

[fossil shard]

1 and 3

[delicate perch]

3 coins on reset, 1 per week after and you end up with 9 (3 purchases because an item is 3)

[daring mulch]

if I have only 3/8 at mythic raid, then I cant get any from mythic raid, right? Because I need make to 4/8?!

[delicate perch]

You need to kill the boss

The quest to earn the item can be done on any raid bosses

[daring mulch]

Alright, thank you

[fossil shard]

Don’t we get the first one right away or do we have to do the quest

[delicate perch]

I’d assume quest

[fossil shard]

Yuck

[delicate perch]

But we get 3 coins instead of 1

Maybe they’re nice to us

[fossil shard]

Yeah just don’t want to have to do that instead of farming my mountain of crests

[delicate perch]

But fairly sure the quest is also 4x keystones

So you just do that

[fossil shard]

Based

[lucid olive]

its okay yes

[delicate perch]

They are seperate

[high lintel]

Is it True that u prio starfire over starfall in aoe if u have 3 starlord stacks up and dont overcap astral power

[lucid olive]

sure

[silver frigate]

Balance being really bad in raid but pretty good in m+ feels like balance is balanced

I wish that starfall nerf never happened though

[high lintel]

why

[lucid olive]

Starfire does dam

Starfall also does dam but you don't lose a cast of Starfall unless you overcap

[slim sun]

starfall does more dam per cast then starfire. If youre not going to overcap AP, and will pool enough AP for your next starlord stacks you should prio starfall before things die

[unkempt crescent]

priory first pull, suleyman big one, are you guys moonfiring EVERYTHING

[sacred tulip]

yeah its delve/world content, thats why copium. I'm still using a champ drink because it keeps simming higher than anything i have gotten

[lofty depot]

yes, read the prio list

[unkempt crescent]

what about first pull mechagon, a lot of them dont survive long enough to get a moonfire up

[delicate perch]

?

why are people so against dotting

[unkempt crescent]

no one is against it, im asking a question

[lofty depot]

are u doing 5s?

[slim sun]

moonfire hard

[lofty depot]

they live long enough

[unkempt crescent]

nah, 13, with a DK and evoker in this case

[lofty depot]

they live long enough

[unkempt crescent]

by the time theyre dotted and i rip my CDs i feel like im leaving a bunch on the table