balance

[lucid olive]

makes sense for m+ i guess

but also just have a weakaura that tracks trinket or something and don't press incarn unless trinket is up or incarn will be recharged before trinket is up

[teal coral]

When you set up the macro it doesn't show you the cooldowntimer on your bars

It shows the cooldown of my trinket instead

[lucid olive]

optimally this is something like
start 4 seconds
wrath
wrath
starfire
moonfire
sunfire
treants
ca+starsurge+trinket+potion
starsurge
starsurge
convoke

[teal coral]

Or do i swap the macro to
/cast CA
/Use 14
Or
/use 15

[lucid olive]

13 and 14 are trinkets

[teal coral]

Alright i will use this instead

[slim valve]

on stix its worth going into Lunar?

when adds are up?

[teal coral]

I am in m+ spec

Might be wrong

But my parse is a 95

For stix

[lucid olive]

judgment call really

if you can get good uptime on multiple targets in lunar then send it

[tawdry geyser]

Make sure incarn is before trinket in the macro if trinket is first line it’ll show trinket

[teal coral]

Alright ty ❤️

[tawdry geyser]

Hoc isn’t that bad though signet is abit ass to line up with it being 2 mins but hoc has lower cd then incarn so shouldn’t be many issues with hoc

[severe hollow]

can also just do #showtooltip spellname at the start

any button can show any cd

[hollow mist]

thank u entenzwerg

[severe hollow]

not gonna fall for your baits

[hollow mist]

MY BAITSSSSS

Okieeeee buddy

[teal coral]

Noted

[hybrid hawk]

help me pls

i can do dps

with this gear

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mZKv9qXBn4dGJT2Q?fight=3&type=summary&source=38

[fervent merlin]

Mythic jastor & you’ll be pumpin

[subtle sail]

at a quick glance it looks like you over dot and cancle casts a lot, do that less number will go up

[crisp badger]

am i doing something wrong if my starfire is quite a lot more damage than my starfall in an M+ run?

[cursive mirage]

Probably

[crisp badger]

so i'm likely overcapping a lot

damn

[cursive mirage]

Yeah most likely.

[lucid olive]

overcapping a little probably

but theyre close in general

depends on density of pulls

[crisp badger]

i see

[crisp badger]

low density starfire wins out?

[lucid olive]

something like that yeah

[onyx oriole]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hTNPkQ7AnLmDF3bV?fight=last&type=summary&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%24212912552.0.0.Druid%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%240&source=12&view=timeline

can someone help my pars is low for a smooth run like that

[round field]

M+ parse doesnt matter

Tells you nothing

[craggy sonnet]

wdym your parse is low .. its a 94?

[drifting nova]

basically grey

[subtle sail]

similar to other guy canceling some casts and over sunfireing but your damage is fine tbh

What does the log parse number even go off of, its the speed of the key right?

[drifting nova]

gotta be speed

[subtle sail]

casting to get into eclipse if the pack isnt grouped and waiting to sunfire seems to be a lost tech now a days

[drifting nova]

apparantly it's 94% of balance in that key

aka good

[dense steeple]

its speed 100%

leaderboard stuff. bigger + faster key = higher parse

[drifting nova]

but faster key = higher damage

so it's a damage metric

only way it'd relate to the other parse

[lucid olive]

I got 100 parse on resto in a deplete last season

[drifting nova]

well if you werent griefing you'd complete the key

find that 110%

[craggy sonnet]

no

the key% in the damage done tab is the damage parse on that key level for the spec

[obtuse flume]

what would be the item to get with Puzzling Cartel Chips ?

[ancient adder]

depends

[copper drift]

any good website that explains balance druid? has to be something i'm doing wrong my dmg hella low

[ancient adder]

should be your biggest upgrade + personal best

compendiums good

icy veins and wowhead geared more towards simpler understanding of the spec

compendium for the more thourough read

[copper drift]

tyvm

[fiery spade]

how is skardyn looking for us?

[lucid olive]

It's okay

Sim it

[fiery spade]

yeah seems like its behind heroic moxie for me,

[digital berry]

Show sim

Unless you’re comparing hero to hero

[dense steeple]

so im spamming dfc right

and every single time the mount drops

it goes to the biggest moron of the group

[digital berry]

Mythic skard I feel outsims hero moxie

[dense steeple]

one day i will be the biggest moron 😦

[digital berry]

So you got the mount every time

[dense steeple]

not even once

[fiery spade]

to myth skardyn actually, im simming ST and elune build on patchwerk 5 min

[digital berry]

Hmm gotcha, well if the robot says it’s worse then so be it

[ionic oak]

Damn. I got the mount earlier this week

[ionic oak]

Im him

[dense steeple]

lucker

dfc is the only key i do anymroe

and i do 4-8 of them a week

[formal crest]

I looted in on my rat last week

Just go in on a rat with the guild for vault and gg. It’ll appear

[dense steeple]

i dont have any rats

i have 2 characters and they both fuck in keys

[worn palm]

hi, what debuff ID do you guys use to change the plater color when moonfire is applied?

[digital berry]

There’s already made player scripts for that

Don’t gotta reinvent the wheel

[lofty depot]

erhm i dont

skrill >

[worn palm]

searching through messages I got it, if anyone else needs it:

Sunfire 164815
Moonfire 164812

[burnt yew]

As somebody who barely plays any dps, would hekili be worth using if i want to play try out Balance and maybe do a little bit of pushing at some point?

[lucid olive]

thats a loaded subject

[polar basalt]

very loaded

[lucid olive]

realistically it depends how you use it

[polar basalt]

very very loaded

[burnt yew]

Well how would i know i didn't actually know it was a question people asked that often

[lucid olive]

it isnt

hekili just tends to spark a lot of controversy

are you using it to focus on just your button presses without paying any attention to why you're pressing those buttons

then you should not really use it

[lofty depot]

theres no controversy

its shit

learn to play >

[lucid olive]

see thats what i mean

[lofty depot]

wink

[polar basalt]

LMAO

that wink

[lofty depot]

smirk

[lucid olive]

the best way is always going to be to go read a guide, watch streamer or whatever and hit training dummies

but if you just want to use it because you don't care about learning the rotation and just want to play some WoW then go ahead

[polar basalt]

I personally think Hekili doesnt really have a use. Like yeah, it pinpoints you to the spells you should be using but its rather difficult to really "learn" a spec using Hekili imo

[lofty depot]

it clearly has a use cuz blizzord is adding it to the game

[lucid olive]

if your end goal is to learn the spec and become better at it then i strongly advise to stay away from any type of rotation helper

[burnt yew]

I mean it's pretty much just to try something different. I don't really have the time anymore to play 8-10 hours a day to maybe learn an alt

[lofty depot]

but that use ends when ur playing the game at a higher level than world quests

[polar basalt]

Yeah i know, good for the Hekili Boys i guess, since they are the people working out the onebuttonmacro and stuff with blizz prolly

[lofty depot]

well "hekili boys" get nothing from it being added

u think they paid them for their addon?

ud be fucking high if u thought that

[lucid olive]

its up to you whatever you want to use, but the intention of people in here is to help teach you how to play the spec, and using hekili is not a good way to do that

[polar basalt]

I feel like they are prolly paying them for working on the onebutton thingy but maybe im just wrong

[lucid olive]

but if you're not interested in learning the spec and just want to press some buttons with brain off then go ahead

[normal pilot]

you grossly overestimate what blizz does

they're not paying/interacting with anyone

[lofty depot]

blud thinks they dm'd them for advice on the 1 button

shits brazy

[burnt yew]

I just heard hekili can be good for some specs where you can pretty much not even tell the difference. I guess that was what i was leaning towards.
But it's also kinda because i have heard Balance is one of the harder specs to learn

[lofty depot]

its not hard to learn

[normal pilot]

it's hard because you have to be hard casting all the time

not because spell selection is important

[lucid olive]

yeah that could be a reason why some think its hard to learn

[lofty depot]

cant ookook melee, must be hard

[lucid olive]

in that same vein shadow priest and warlock are also hard

[normal pilot]

if you're generally a good raider you'll be fine, the base spec is simple and rotation/class knowledge has low impact

[lucid olive]

fundamentally balance is easy to understand once you grasp the concepts Eclipse, Astral Damage and your mastery

Hekili won't help you on the parts of the spec that are difficult

[pallid bay]

boomkin is easy though

[proper sinew]

For M+ it’s even less complex and more forgiving than ret is

[verbal basin]

okay thats a hyperbole

[shy solstice]

So after my opener when i throw 3 star surges am i supposed to use wrath until i have 100 again or should i use it every 36 astral power

[digital berry]

In st you will cast wrath until you have met any condition to cast other things

So high asp / procs / starlord stacking

[shy solstice]

Ohhh okay so just cast until 100 asp unless i have to move or sonethihg

[digital berry]

100 is a bit high

If you exit solar with 100 you will overcap to reenter

[shy solstice]

Maybe the cast before 100?

Ooo okay so the closer eclipse is to falling off the less i should have?

[digital berry]

To some extent

Something around 80 is probably a good asp amount to have exiting an eclipse

[shy solstice]

Ok bet hell yeah thank you bro

Emnithy you on rn

[lofty depot]

read the prio list

it says when and why u surge

[proper sinew]

If you let Divine hammer drop, you are very sad, moonkin has no real failure point besides cpm

[woven igloo]

Do we have any sims or insight info on this Disc belt and what it'll mean for boomie ?

[lofty depot]

nop

[coral shell]

anyone know if we are getting the belt week 1^

[lofty depot]

first week of 11.1.7, its like the circlet

[rancid surge]

think the estimates are 11.1.7 is still over a month away

[lofty depot]

closer to 2 months

[coral shell]

but 11.1.7 is Tuesday, no?

[lofty depot]

its on a tuesday

but not next tuesday

what

we just got 11.1.5, 8 week patch cycles. sooooooo

[coral shell]

Oh I was sure the Boost event starting on Tuesday was tied to 11.1.7

[lofty depot]

not at all

u thought 11.1.5 and 2 weeks later 11.1.7 comes out

thats brazy

[crisp badger]

what's t he reason we go into eclipse before using incarn? don't you get eclipse there anyways?

[lofty depot]

are u talking in raid

or

[crisp badger]

the opener section of trhe dreamgrove compendium

[lofty depot]

assuming hte opener

[crisp badger]

is that just for raid?

[lofty depot]

well the reason u do that is ur precasting outside of combat

its extra damage

[crisp badger]

right

but there's no other advantage other than that?

[lofty depot]

nop

[crisp badger]

ok

thanks for your wisdom

[lofty depot]

type shit

[cursive mirage]

Technically gives you another eclipse cycle for stuff like sundered firmament and extra AP (if you need it) before going into eclipse

[lofty depot]

[cursive mirage]

[maiden pasture]

lil guppy....

[digital berry]

Check the pins for the compendium, that’s the most up to date balance guide

[maiden pasture]

i think hes just saying hi

[digital berry]

Read through that and come back here if you have further questions

[lofty depot]

sloppy log

does that mean u havent read a guide and want me to look at a +2 log

🔫

should make emnithy log review

get some practice in

[digital berry]

Im barbecuing I’m not log reviewing on my damn phone

[lofty depot]

barbecuing when ufc is on

smh

come prepared next time

[digital berry]

Ah yeah I should like looking at half naked men beating each other up

Homoerotic

[lofty depot]

is there a probelm?

[shy solstice]

Is it worth it to quest through undermine lol

[digital berry]

I ain’t watching grown men beating each other up instead of going to therapy

[lofty depot]

i dont think theres anything tied to it

i think u might have to do it to get the story quests for the "next" shit in 11.1.7?

campaign quest and shit

but

[lofty depot]

best therapy is gym

[crisp badger]

do you press spender if youre overcapping but enemy is not properly debuffed yet

as in missing moon/starfire or both

[lofty depot]

m+ u can if u wnat starfall

but generally im just dotting everything

[crisp badger]

yeah feels like you do no damage if you dont dot

[lofty depot]

should read ur mastery

[crisp badger]

nah i know, but was wondering if it was worth it at all

seems not

[teal sphinx]

Starfall is dynamic, surge is not

Just don't make a habit of capping without having dots up

[bitter loom]

does SF stack?

[lofty depot]

read the spell

[bitter loom]

okay, follow up then. M+ ever press SS after having a few up

[craggy sonnet]

Either starfall is the better button because target conditions are met or not

The # of active Starfalls doesn't really matter for that decision

[bitter loom]

aka, let it rip if 2+ targets

[lofty depot]

starfall does more damage than surge on multiple targets

[craggy sonnet]

Basically.. unless there is a very specific reason not to

[bitter loom]

whelp, I've been screwing up that rotation. Guess the only conidition would be if prio target too high health

[lofty depot]

read the prio list

[craggy sonnet]

Like hard prio mob (2nd boss ML) or the other mobs being pure padding (1st boss cleft)

[bitter loom]

ty gentlemen

[viral barn]

Hi druids, is the mechagon staff any good ? i mainly play m+

[lofty depot]

sim it

[delicate perch]

it's better than no staff

that's probably about it

[viral barn]

running crafted dagger and offhand atm, wondering if it would be better

[craggy sonnet]

^

[viral barn]

right

[craggy sonnet]

Prolly not tho

[lofty depot]

if u ever have a gearing question

u sim it

[viral barn]

we can have symbiosis embelish only on weapon, right ?

[lofty depot]

idk what that is

but ascension

read the guide

[craggy sonnet]

2h, mh, oh

[coral shell]

What would you say is the best wayt o farm Carved crest?

[iron chasm]

Cap on your other crests and do mythic plus

[delicate perch]

before reset though

[digital berry]

What do you need carved for, farm up some hero gear brother

[lofty depot]

@eager raft

[lucid olive]

@eager raft

[lofty depot]

COME GET BODIED ON METER AGAIN PLZ

[eager raft]

sup

[eager raft]

sup

[lucid olive]

youre afraid

[coral shell]

I already capped everything else

I know they convert, but was just wondering if there was a better way than doing a +10 for exemple

[digital berry]

Ok but like… for what purpose

[teal sphinx]

@eager raft

[eager raft]

bepis

[coral shell]

I'm currently 673 ilvl

with 420 Rune Crest = 9 x 15 Gilded Crest + 15 Runed Crest
with 296 Carved Crest = 6 x 15 Rune Crest (=90 Runed = 30 Gilded) + (0.57 x45 Carved Crest)
with 94 Weathered Undermine Crest = 2 x 15 Carved)

My goal is to get the GIlded Undermine Achievement so I can unlock the +10 Gilded Crest cost on other toons instead of the +15. When Tuesday's reset happen, I would need to go from 673 to 675. That means 2 ilvl.
We usually get +3 ilvl per piece for 15 crest spent.
If I take 12 upgrade of gear, (x3 ilvl) that's 36 ilvl points in total.
on 16 different item slots, I would need at least (36 ilvl/16 item slots) = 2.25 lvl average so I would be over 675 and have a few more crests to use as a +10 instead of +15 and I would also unlock it for my other chars.

[meager storm]

pretty sure someone on my guild has the achievement and the toon that has it doesnt get the discount, but alts will

[warm gulch]

The discount applies on a per item basis

I.e., if your main with the achievement doesn’t have higher ilvl than what you’re trying to upgrade it won’t be discounted

[coral shell]

Oh I see

[meager storm]

ye thats how uppies have worked, i was just making sure he didnt think the rest of upgrades on his main after the achievemnt would be 10

[coral shell]

I currently have 14 out of 16 pieces either mythic track or crafted so If I then farm crest to upgrade everything to 681/684, my alts will be able to beneficiate from it

and with 12 upgrades of gilded once converted, that at least 6 pieces I will have capped

[iron chasm]

I ain’t about that dog. I’m a spend spend spend kind of guy. No holding back. 0 crests before patch day. I want to grind 50 keys non stop.

[delicate perch]

only 50? you've changed..

[exotic perch]

make sure you grind all those keys immediately

if you arent max ilvl day 1 you are a failure

[loud kettle]

What's new

[delicate perch]

then quickly log out to screenshot rank 1 ilvl

otherwise why even have a sub to the game

[lucid olive]

https://tenor.com/view/oogway-cotr-turtle-gif-24251592

[digital berry]

cap out crests this week and exchange a bunch fo crests to get a load of gilded day 1

dont need to run 50 dungeons probaby no

[delicate perch]

sitting at the vendor
doing keys for vault anyway ❌

[verbal basin]

i agree

[exotic storm]

So is it bad that I still want the balance/resto tree reworked to be all Sun, Nature, and Mushrooms themed?

I like Elune's Chosen thematically though

[lofty depot]

what if they reworked it to do damage

rather than some cringe lore shit

[lucid olive]

[lofty depot]

first time gamz agreed with me on anything, type shit

[thorny hazel]

hi everyone, i'm new to the game and even newer to the balance druid, i'm in the expected damage for the class?

[lofty depot]

uhh, on st sure

[exotic storm]

Don't y'all run KotG in raids?

[lofty depot]

details doesnt really help with if ur playing correctly

[lofty depot]

that doesnt mean its fun, interactive, or does damage

its just better than ec in raid

so we play kotg

[lucid olive]

imagine lunar calling in raid

i would snap

[exotic storm]

I think having a strong theme leads to better gameplay, so that's why I'd love a clearer theme for the resto shared tree.

In lieu of that, I want a glyph to change all lunar spells into solar spells visually.

[thorny hazel]

i'm doing m+, should i upload some logs and use a analyzer?

or there is another way to improve?

[lofty depot]

u can post them here and i could

wowanalyzer i doubt is "optimized"

[thorny hazel]

ok, i will start to log some runs

ty artic

[copper drift]

guys help me why is my dmg so low

[lofty depot]

get a weakaura pack

[copper drift]

how would that help me xd, do you have one in recommendation?

[lofty depot]

because u could see ur asp

and know that ur overcapping

[lucid olive]

https://wago.io/OiBalance

[lofty depot]

u could also see ur buffs and see that u wasted a dreamstate 🙂

[lucid olive]

pressed FoE and Incarn on same global

[lofty depot]

u also didnt double pot

[lucid olive]

want to FoE first and then Incarn+Starfall global after

sick overlap on party frames

[copper drift]

yes ik i gotta fix that but i just came back to the game

[digital berry]

If you still have upgrades from vault I’m sorry for ya

[jovial hare]

how do i get my resilient keys to level up

i have all 13s now

it still says 12

and im about to have all 14s

[meager storm]

u have all 13s timed?

[digital berry]

How would that help me is crazy tho

[copper drift]

my main is warrior I don't need WA :d

[dusk token]

It should be auto once u time all of that level

[lofty depot]

doubt

just make it harder on ur self cuz u dont want to

[copper drift]

just habits ig

[digital berry]

There’s bad habits and good habits

If you to find out how much asp you have or what buffs you want to know about you need to look all over your ui, you’re doing yourself a disservice

[lucid olive]

how do u know when to press execute without a weakaura

[copper drift]

sure is but I do very very good with my warrior so I never had to help myself with WAs and stuff, but since i'm discovering new classes I might try fs !

[copper drift]

oh I do have one for that I was thinking about the big ass WA in the middle of the screen

[lofty depot]

warrior is mostly ookook

[copper drift]

true

[digital berry]

The only place in which you can see asp is under your health bar, the only place in which you can see starlord or natures grace is in your buff bar. Your cds are only displayed on your bars. By any means play how you want but when you come in here asking for advice you can’t brush off the advice you’re given cause you don’t like it

[lucid olive]

it aint that deep

[copper drift]

where did I brushed it off ?

[lofty depot]

its deep, in ur mom

[digital berry]

Complains about big ass weak aura but has 3 bars of abilities covering 30% of the screen

[copper drift]

I just said I'll try what you guys told me xD

[lucid olive]

yeha idk why emnithy coming at you like that

[digital berry]

How would that help me xd sounds hella dismissive but maybe it’s just me

[lucid olive]

ye maybe

even if it was then just brush it off innit

[copper drift]

yes it's just you

anyways ty for the advice

[lucid olive]

sigh

[digital berry]

Anyways, if you want more advice you could always send logs

[loud kettle]

like for a fire ?

[lofty depot]

yea, get ur firemaking to 99

[digital berry]

No like a stool sample

[lofty depot]

but im doing wintertodt

log on

[exotic storm]

I didn't start doing 10s until late myself, so I get it haha

[lucid olive]

No, VODs are vastly superior

So much better to see what mistakes people do from a video than from a log and it's not close

[lofty depot]

yea i can see him not using weakaurs

ezpz

go to sleep 6am rat

[lucid olive]

Ideally the vods aren't 30 seconds long and actually have some context in them though

[digital berry]

Well yeah vods are better especially in m+ but it’s much easier to link a log that someone might already have handy then to record a key

[onyx oriole]

Starlord
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Starlord

Dreamstate
#showtooltip
/cast Wrath
/cancelaura [nocombat] dreamstate

can someone explain these macros

[lofty depot]

did u read the paragraph before said macro

[cloud plover]

first one cancels starlord, second one casts wrath and cancels dreamstate if not in combat, ur welcome

[onyx oriole]

thank you! great explanation

[cloud plover]

I did my absolute best, so I hope it helped!

[lofty depot]

wonders if it says that in the guide u copied it from hmmm

[brave leaf]

do normal fury and fury from firmament cast two seperate instances of it or is one overwritten

[silk shard]

should be two separate instances but atmospheric pressure only one instance will appear

for m+ is the higher uptime on energy drink better than the on-use of signet of priory? signet is sims higher in st but energy drink is 2.5x uptime across the whole dungeon

(maybe it won't matter so much since i'll grab a heroic house of cards next reset)

[lofty depot]

seperate

[lofty depot]

just because it has uptime doesnt mean its when u want it

[fallen salmon]

Hi guys, can you tell me a macro for changing the form of using the ability in the form of a bear and then back into an owl?

[brittle tapir]

fluid form 👍

[ripe magnet]

isn't uptime always good!? that's what my missus tells me😉

[ashen meadow]

For adds on a raid boss (Stix for instance) how long do they have to live for them to be worth dotting up as opposed to just casting starfire and spamming Starfall?

[delicate perch]

do you want to pad or do you want to be useful

[ashen meadow]

Well, we have enough damage to get the bombs moving already on that fight, I'm just trying to understand whether there is a break point for optimal dps.

[ripe magnet]

from what ive seen on logs you dont even target swap, stay on boss. trees will moonfire, 1 sunfire when mobs are stacked. and like you said just starfire and spamming Starfall

[ashen meadow]

Thanks, much obliged!

[ripe magnet]

i guess your holding CDs at start?

[ashen meadow]

Yeah, mostly following what they're doing on lorrgs for cds but I've been running across the arena trying to dot everything (even the hyenas) and a friend has pointed out I'm overprioritising my dots.

[craggy sonnet]

If you can do that, then you are probably playing the wrong build or overcapping AP

Should be able to press mostly starfall in the relevant time frame

[brittle tapir]

Starfall on single target?

Ah ig u mean first boss. Yeah starfall

[violet coral]

hello guys, may i ask a quick question? when i apply gylgh of star to my moonkin, the outline doesn't get highlighted. is there a specific addon or WA that makes highlight while star-moonkinform like this sceenshot? the wa "find my self anywhere" does not work though..

[scarlet tapir]

it doesnt work on spriest

so it wont work on balance

with the glyph

[twin lotus]

hey peeps quick question for M+ gearing. Is mastery+haste BIS or is it a sim angle? Most guides and people that push that I have chcked go full on mastery haste, however for me simming 5targets for different times, it's more balanced with haste/vers/crit while mastery still dominates. I would like some thoughts on if and why my simming strategy is wrong or am I cooking and people just auto-go mastery/haste (delulu take)

[stone ledge]

I add a little bit more vers since I’m pushing high keys but haste mastery should be fine for just weeklies

[delicate perch]

that's just circle no

defs work on bamkin

[scarlet tapir]

no

i have circle and outline

[round field]

Stats change when you get more

People dont auto go mast haste they sim gear and follow that

Atleast they should

[twin lotus]

how do you sim for m+?

[round field]

Either lazy 5 min 1 tar or mdt

[bronze cedar]

Hi, anyone could help me out a bit?
I am trying to play Moonkin in M+ keys but I am super noob.
Can anyone check my log from a Theater of Pain and tell me what I am doing wrong?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:HhV9Z2NkpAx17zLQ

[tawdry oak]

will blizz do anything about all this "tips for invite" shit in keys now

getting into a 16 all you see is, "15k tip per try, tips in note"

[cursive otter]

I don't think so. It is same as was "rerollers only" keys starting 15 in prev season

[severe hollow]

if enough ppl report I assume they will do sth as its against the rules

[scenic mist]

i do report every one i see, in the hope they do something

[severe hollow]

but prolly not the most important thing to do, there are still shitton of boosting communities around too

[tawdry oak]

I'm reporting em everytime I see it

shits lame

[fervent merlin]

Is it?

[severe hollow]

yes ofc

advertisting in group finder

[tawdry oak]

advertising in lfg is not allowed

[fervent merlin]

Isn’t the rule against advertising if u are not in the key?

[severe hollow]

no

[scenic mist]

• what a cringe way to make a new accessibility feature turn to shit

[delicate perch]

all advertisers are meant to be in the content but lfg is not where you can advertise ya

[severe hollow]

advertising in group finder is not allowed at all

since like bfa?

[scenic mist]

this is for adv in the /trade-services

[severe hollow]

been a hot minute

[delicate perch]

pre sure even twitch links etc aren't meant to be in lfg

[fervent merlin]

Hm I wonder if tips for inv is considering advert in lfg

[severe hollow]

what else is that

[tawdry oak]

your advertising a key that you can only get into if you pay

whats your definition of advertising?

[scenic mist]

100% adv

[fervent merlin]

So ban echo & liquid

[scenic mist]

you will have to elaborate if you want to be taken seriously

[fervent merlin]

Blizzard isn’t against boosting they’re just against flooding of adverts

[tawdry oak]

??

[scenic mist]

tips for resilient key runs aint boosting

[tawdry oak]

chickenbrain indeed

[severe hollow]

I think what they do during RWF can be argued to be advertisement for the world first stuff in group finder

I dont really agree with it

[scenic mist]

and blizz isnt against boosting

[severe hollow]

but I can see it

[fervent merlin]

So if u post a group “LF DISC HEALER”

And just adding tip

Into it

[severe hollow]

you paying others != them paying you

those are not the same thing

[fervent merlin]

Yea but they problem is with the posting in Lfg right

[severe hollow]

the advertisment

not you having a post in the lfg

[tawdry oak]

your not allowed adertise for gold in lfg

[severe hollow]

something like we boost this key for follow on my twitch

[fervent merlin]

Posting the advert in LFG yea sorry

[severe hollow]

thats not okay imo

even if they technically dont pay you

[fervent merlin]

But you are allowed to post group selling spot in this key 100k

[severe hollow]

no

you arent

[scenic mist]

no lmao

[severe hollow]

not in the blizzard lfg tool

in some chats yes

but we are talking group finder

[scenic mist]

in ONE chat

that is /trade-services

[fervent merlin]

So the rule is specifically you’re only allowed to sell key spots in trade chat?

[severe hollow]

fair, wasnt sure

yes

[scenic mist]

not trade though
trade-services

[fervent merlin]

So then echo & liquid not using trade chat is tos ?

[scenic mist]

should be /3 by default, trade being /2

[severe hollow]

are they selling spots in lfg tool?

[scenic mist]

they dont sell anything

[fervent merlin]

Thy dell carries in discord?

[severe hollow]

but sure if they would do that that would not be okay

[fervent merlin]

And open talk in stream

[severe hollow]

....

thats not a chat in game

[scenic mist]

yeah this chicken is just not reading what we are writing ig

[fervent merlin]

So when they do splits in LFG & advert going to their discord for split gold idk how that wouldn’t be tos lol

[severe hollow]

why would it

[scenic mist]

adv in lfg would be having a description "come and pay this, for this service"

what rwf guilds do is more like a lfg post "hm split echo/liquid, iykyk"

[tawdry oak]

I wish they couldnt do that

[scenic mist]

the adv was done outside of blizz tools

[tawdry oak]

you should be forced to just do splits within your guild, rotating a million fans to funnel loot is lame

[scenic mist]

why ? it gives a better race + opportunity for followers to aid their team + earn some gold

[scenic mist]

issue is, what prevents any guild from guilding everyone of their helpers ?

[severe hollow]

I think its okay cause its fairly short lived

but I can see having issues with it especially being advertised in tool

however its still fundamentally different to the people advertising sales

[bronze cedar]

Anyone could help me out with this?
#balance message

[tawdry oak]

does it really give a better race, watching them do hc splits for 3 days before doing the raid

[severe hollow]

they would do that regardless

[tawdry oak]

yeah they should be locked into doing it jsut with their own team

[scenic mist]

it is evolution, it is a red queen's race

[severe hollow]

thats next to impossible to do

[scenic mist]

#balance message

[scenic mist]

TOP isnt a balance friendly key + you seem to have had a rocky run (every dps parses blue/grey), maybe the route wasnt helping ?

in anyway you have small rotational issues, just check the compendium guide pinned (FOE before incarn, dont overlap nature's grace and WOE, and so on)

and if you are playing for the overall (which is...cringe), dont send every incarn charge you have onto single target bosses

[fervent merlin]

Trying to find tos stuff is blizzard only problem with boosting is that it basically promotes rmt?

[severe hollow]

no

it spams the lfg tool

with for most ppl unwanted shit

[scenic mist]

they try to keep the player base satisfied ig
it is their bread and butter in the end

[fervent merlin]

This is what I would guess to but it’s way to easy of a solution

[severe hollow]

[fervent merlin]

Like right now I open LFG there’s 4 listings couldn’t they just hard block words in LFG

Like boosting lol

“.com”

[severe hollow]

there likely are some but also not sure if youve been in situations where you have blocked words

but ppl get around them?

[fervent merlin]

There’s weakauras that auto remove and report how does blizzard not do that

[severe hollow]

like using website(dot)com

[fervent merlin]

Yeah

[severe hollow]

or b00sting

etc etc

[scenic mist]

https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/187406?flowTrackingId

they do specify the channel

through which the adv is ok

[fervent merlin]

Yeah I read that

They don’t say anything about LFG tho

So was hoping maybe there was more

[severe hollow]

?

they also arent saying anything about whispers

[scenic mist]

they say "adv through trade channel", lfg isnt trade channel, hence they covered it, asaiac

[severe hollow]

they said where its allowed, which means anywhere else its not

[fervent merlin]

Yeah I know they just say the one place it’s allowed I get it

[severe hollow]

finally a proper use of the phrase "the exception proves the rule"

[lucid olive]

I played a bit on NA lately and see those groups a lot in LFG, but never really see them on EU

[fervent merlin]

Interesting I would think woulda been same in eu

I wonder what CN LFG looks like

[lucid olive]

Nah people use the services channel a lot

CN is probably the wild west

[fervent merlin]

Yea gotta be nuts

[scenic mist]

from a mercator perspective, i'd call it the wild east

[fervent merlin]

L o l

[pallid bay]

real

[craggy sonnet]

On EU, mostly seeing just listings with a tips appreciated / note tip comment

[lucid olive]

Yeah the resilient keys meta

[craggy sonnet]

Rarely is it communicated as "selling a try for x"

But I think I have also gotten into groups with such a note

[scenic mist]

i saw some of these
also saw like "50k/try, will refund up to 200k if timed"

dirty business if you ask me

[craggy sonnet]

It is up to you to engage with it tho

At what level is this most prevalent? Any guesstimate?

[scenic mist]

16-17 i'd say

under 16 it's easy to time your keys, over 18 it's hard to pick up

[scenic mist]

this is a fallacy argument though
some old dude flashing you in the park and you'd be like "up to me to engage" ?

[craggy sonnet]

Hm yea.. I don't feel like it is overwhelming for 16s in EU.
Never felt like the tool is flooded with that kind of adv

[fervent merlin]

Someone with a note in the key listing is no where near the same as some dick

[scenic mist]

flooded is a strong word i agree, but i constantly see at least 1 adv when i run lfg

[craggy sonnet]

Ok, so?

[scenic mist]

ofc not

[craggy sonnet]

That doesn't affect the functionality of the tool at all

[scenic mist]

the dynamic of "doing something illegal/against tos" and how you as a "victim" can deal with it can be compared imo

[scenic mist]

not yet, but slippery slope

remember the early days of the boosting communities ?

they would adv on the /trade, was a few until it got worse and all of a sudden you cant read anything but boosting adv, blizz had to create a whole new channel for them

[fervent merlin]

Trade always got spammed

Even b4 boosting

It did get worse tho

[digital berry]

Just get an lfg addon that filters all sellers and you’ll never see then again, it is absolutely obnoxious at times when you have to scroll past walls of sellers

[cloud plover]

i was part of those in bfa

was making so much cash i had several wow subs running at the same time to adv on more realms

[digital berry]

You mean gold right

[cloud plover]

yeah ive never actually rmtd

cash just means gold to me cuz im always broke irl so id never talk about like, money money

[digital berry]

https://tenor.com/view/susge-stare-pepe-sus-gif-6983445641596872640

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-nodding-disbelief-friends-ross-geller-gif-16596956776751194090

[cloud plover]

dw im a law abiding citizen uwu

[scenic mist]

meaning you do what the ope ope no mi user tells u ?

[cloud plover]

it doesnt take the weeb fruit for me to do whatever anyone commands me to

[scenic mist]

give me your cash then
i'll just take 15% of your gold

[cloud plover]

if i knew you well i probably would, ive given my bestie lots of gold cuz hes too lazy

[scenic mist]

u said anyone tho

gimme money or else

[cloud plover]

or else what, you gonna shove a gun into my mouth and threaten me with it as you push me against a wa-

nvm sry

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/samuel-l-jackson-shocked-excuse-me-sam-jackson-what-gif-18365710611130750390

[digital berry]

https://tenor.com/view/saturday-night-live-maya-rudolph-snl-the-horror-horrified-gif-4550434

[cloud plover]

im yokin guys im yokin of course

[plucky valley]

Same I enjoy boosting for gold just so I have it but I don’t actually have a huge use for gold so I buy game time for my friends whenever they ask

[cloud plover]

these days im frickin broke

cuz hc vip is 130k gold cut

[glossy olive]

if I only do m+, I got signet, what do I buy with dinars? House of Cards or gallywix ring?(I HAAATE signet) Also according to 8target 1 min sim and dungeon slice the ring isnt that much of an upgrade

[plucky valley]

You’re def gonna want both

[glossy olive]

yeh but first buy

[plucky valley]

So I guess sim whichever sims higher and get that item first

[scenic mist]

did u clear 8/8M to buy the trinkets ?

[digital berry]

Do not sim like that

[glossy olive]

what would be th emost

[glossy olive]

I raid on my priest but I play m+ as boomie

[digital berry]

8t1m is an insanely cooked sim

[glossy olive]

and I wont be able to clear bandit with my boomie

[scenic mist]

yeah but afaik you need to have killed the bosses on the char that is buying

so no clear = you are buying heroic track

[plucky valley]

It’s locked to the difficulty of boss you kill so just clear all heroic and then you’ll have access to heroic items for dinars

[glossy olive]

yeh, and i wont be able to do mythic bandit, and no I am not gonna buy a bandit boost for pixel score, I only try to get titel anyway not top 10

[scenic mist]

and you might find better things on the M+ myth track

[glossy olive]

like what?

[scenic mist]

candle from DFC for instance

[digital berry]

SIM your options but please sim 1t5m or mdt

[plucky valley]

This

Also to make it easier

[glossy olive]

1t 5min doesnt seems so good for m+ or?

[plucky valley]

You’re gonna wanna buy jastors

[scenic mist]

it is

[plucky valley]

So boom that’s already 1 item down

[digital berry]

Ifs better then 8t1m for sure

[normal pilot]

ya 8t 1m with default apl is nonsense

[plucky valley]

Mhm,
Nonsensical

[glossy olive]

what does mdt stands for in sim?

[normal pilot]

you'd need to edit the apl for that to make sense

[scenic mist]

its an addon that helps you sim a specific route in a specific dung

[glossy olive]

de hell?

ok I did not know this at all

[scenic mist]

it's better than 1t5m but hell of a lot more work so

1t5m rules

[glossy olive]

but most bosses are like 3-4min?

[scenic mist]

who cares, the idea is that balance aoe dps will evolve kinda similarly to st dps

so ST up = aoe up = good for m+

[normal pilot]

it's a closest approximation if you don't want to bother with mdt sim

[glossy olive]

[wise hawk]

@lofty depot prepare yourself for more eclipse before incarn logs.. krona recommended it as a min/max in negura's most recent vid

[glossy olive]

I will look this up and resim alot of stuff

ty

[normal pilot]

stuff like 8t1m is almost always bad for pretty much all specs

not unless you edit the default apl

[scenic mist]

what is the rational here ? losing nature's grace for fun ?

[normal pilot]

and if you're going to do that anyways you may as well use mdt

[wise hawk]

firmanents is the logic (whether it's flawed or not seems to be up for debate)

[glossy olive]

how do I put a route into raidbots then?

[scenic mist]

i can see that
i think it was debated at one time here too

[wise hawk]

yup

[cloud plover]

L choice to play priest

(im playing priest)

[glossy olive]

ngl my only hope atm is that atleast the req to kill bosses is warbound

but prob not

but I hope!

[cloud plover]

no

[glossy olive]

dont kill my hope

[cloud plover]

it's "bad luck protection" not "catchup" which means its 99% not included

[glossy olive]

I shall not listen

[pallid bay]

bro really butchered the name

[wise hawk]

iono thats the name she put in the title - i just copied it

[scenic mist]

https://wago.io/Yya4XBbl-

[wise hawk]

also, false alarm, I didn't listen far enoujgh - he clarifies only do it outside of combat

all is well in the world

[pallid bay]

whats her name again

[wise hawk]

ohhh her name my bad

naguura lol

[scenic mist]

how do you go into eclipse when out of combat tho ?

[wise hawk]

spell queue your wraths

[lucid olive]

you wrath twice

[wise hawk]

prior to entering combat

[scenic mist]

éa"lzjh"ebrlkiA JHIESQPORBEQA¨Z

[lucid olive]

xd

[pallid bay]

éa"lzjh"ebrlkiA JHIESQPORBEQA¨Z

[glossy olive]

ty bro

[scenic mist]

this is dark speach

so the idea would be go into eclipse, dot everything, drop the eclipse, send incarn ?

[wise hawk]

but yeah ig with shadowmeld up that's a gain, just send double wrath and shadowmeld but it's so good defensively seems kinda weird

[lucid olive]

why would you meld

[wise hawk]

if you double wrath while in combat

[lucid olive]

something like that

[scenic mist]

ooh i get it, like you'd do in a raid opener

[lucid olive]

ye

[scenic mist]

get 2 nature's grace stacks back

i often do it in incarn

[lucid olive]

cringe

[scenic mist]

debatable

[wise hawk]

yeah kinda weird but if there's no mechanics seems fine

easy min/max

[scenic mist]

ideally i meld some cast ofc

[glossy olive]

I did 2x sim it says house of cards>jastor

[cloud plover]

ty for new password

[scenic mist]

gl remembering that

[glossy olive]

I did 5 min sim

[scenic mist]

• it's missing a numeral

[cloud plover]

put a 1 at the end

wait i cant say that

now u know my password

[formal crest]

Bless you

[scenic mist]

1!

[cloud plover]

why not 1?

[scenic mist]

you also need a special character

hence the !

making 1 a 1!

[cloud plover]

yeah but why not 1?

[scenic mist]

oh i get it

[cloud plover]

why does it specifically have to be 1! instead of 1? ?

[scenic mist]

i was about to tell you 1! = 1

[cloud plover]

indeed it is

not that id know that personally

but google ai said so

ty google

[scenic mist]

or should i write 1 = 1! cause the ! = could be... equivocal

[cloud plover]

could be what

ty google savior once again

[scenic mist]

it's another pokemon, google it

[cloud plover]

this isnt a pokemon

i know pokemon actually

[hollow mist]

[bright folio]

Do we go lunar or solar for 2 targets on KOTG? I assume its wrath spam if theres a prio target, otherwise just follow AoE rules?

[digital berry]

In m+ build lunar and fall, in st solar and surge

[bright folio]

thanks. One last question, in some guides it says for the ST opener we should open with two casts of wrath - I'm not sure why, wouldn't that just put us in lunar eclipse which is unideal for ST?

[subtle sail]

you use CA so youre not in lunar

[lucid olive]

they are just 3 free casts you can do before the boss gets pulled

dont serve a purpose outside of that

[bright folio]

Thanks guys 👍🏻

[cloud plover]

omg hi lake

[hollow mist]

hey puppy

[cloud plover]

what did u think of my post earlier

[hollow mist]

didnt see

[cloud plover]

#balance message

[lament sigil]

[hollow mist]

u dont know us like that

no judging

[hollow mist]

really A+ work pup great job

[cloud plover]

its not s -tier work?

[hollow mist]

oh I meant in like a school grading score perfect incredible no notes

[cloud plover]

but school grades from 1-6

[hollow mist]

not here it doesnt ._.

[cloud plover]

fake ah country,,

[plucky valley]

Fr

If you’re referring to America

It’s just a big ass business

[lofty depot]

It is already a minmax u do, but when ur shit at doing it it's a loss

[hollow mist]

what

[lofty depot]

If firmament is the thought that's dumb. Dreamstate >

[wise hawk]

yeah if you can queue them out of combat its fine - at first i thought he was recommending it in general

[normal pilot]

firmament is wiped on boss pull anyways

[slim iris]

Arctic how does it feel

[lofty depot]

?

[slim iris]

That I was right

[lofty depot]

I mean is he canceling stacks or

[slim iris]

https://tenor.com/view/crunchycat-luna-cat-smirk-smile-gif-9301919548442205824

[lofty depot]

1 streamer says it's correct doesn't mean shit

Let me go get dwilkz to say it's incorrect, who's right?

[slim iris]

😭😭😭😭😭

[pallid bay]

just pull with the proc

[meager storm]

[meager storm]

do u know if kezan resets on boss pull

cuz hoc doesnt

so im wondering now

[dusk gyro]

Can anyone give me any advice on simming for balance? What general rules to use in the sim? Like simming Droptemizer for M+. Droptemizer for Raid?

Thank you in advance.

[fossil folio]

Do we have a BiS 684 sim somewhere, can't find one

[lofty depot]

Bis lists are dumb

[round field]

Ur dumb

[lofty depot]

1t5m

Nuh uh

[dusk gyro]

for Raid 1 Target 5m. Patchwerk makes sense. what about for M+?

[lofty depot]

Same

[dusk gyro]

Or do we only sim for ST and let our AoE ramp off it

Sorry if I seem dumb. I'm very new to boomy

[lofty depot]

Can run a funny 5t5m sim to see an interaction but useless otherwise

[dusk gyro]

Thank you very much arctic.

[maiden pasture]

The dak tech....

[meager storm]

i found out yesterday

[fossil folio]

yeah bis lists are indeed dumb, but i don't think thats what i asked tho

i just wanted a profile to be able to run some tweaks on to see what the differences were

[lofty depot]

Use the profile from the apl, and just up.the ilvl?

[fossil folio]

Thats what i did, i was just wondering if more ilvl changed anything with stats and if we already had sims

[lofty depot]

Idk u said u wanted to see the differences

Go sim the differences

[fossil folio]

Easier to start with a profile already made if it exists, hence why i just asked politely

[subtle sail]

nothing rotationally really changes in mordern wow from stat/ilvl alone

[lofty depot]

They don't make a "BIS" profile

[fossil folio]

are you this unreasonably aggressive to everyone asking a question or did someone just piss in your bed this specific morning

it truly can't be hard to say "no there isn't a 684 profile"

crazy fucking behavior man

[lofty depot]

I did say that

[fossil folio]

really, it seems like you said this

instead of just responding

[lofty depot]

Get mad about that

[lucid olive]

the differences are the ilvl

[fervent merlin]

[lucid olive]

hope that clears it up

[subtle sail]

Expert advice

[lofty depot]

That's my expert

[pallid bay]

increases in ilvl also means increases in stats which may or may not change what items you would use..

[fervent merlin]

Uh oh

[fossil folio]

nono don't use logic we don't do that here

[pallid bay]

im not on your side man

[formal crest]

Just run the sim

[fossil folio]

clearly theres guarenteed 100% 0 changes and no reason for anyone to ever ask anything

[fervent merlin]

Oi is my expert

[pallid bay]

dont be hyperbolic

calling it bis list is just at worst incorrect and at best a simplification

[copper surge]

do we send x2 incarn or hold 1 for next pack in m+

[lucid olive]

depends how long the pull lasts

but pressing incarn while already in incarn resets the duration so be mindful not to waste uptime on it

[copper surge]

right I mean, if pull still on going do i send a 2nd incarn if pack is healthy or ideally shit should die before incarn is over

[vast jungle]

It depends what the next pull is aswell. Just because the pack is alive it doesnt mean u send 2nd incarn. And u dont always send 2nd incarn if the pack is alive.

Holding 2nd is especially important if its a miniboss or BL pull next as an example.

[lofty depot]

if the pack would die before ur 2nd incarn would finish then no u wouldnt send it

that would be wasting said incarn

[cloud plover]

L + balance druid simulationcraft profile still not updated

so slow

[lofty depot]

its like the profile doesnt matter hmm

[cloud plover]

sounds like slacking

[lofty depot]

u could update the profile if u want

[cloud plover]

if i was doing those things id add random buffs into the sim just to troll people and make it oversim or undersim

dont think anyone would want to trust me with that

:3

[lofty depot]

just so were clear, im ok with this

[cloud plover]

individuals possibly

[meager jacinth]

For the Puzzling Cartel Chip, if we have only access myth track dungeon, is Signet of the Priory and Curved Blazikon Wax better that the bis trinket from raid in HM ?

[drifting nova]

hi ok with this

[lofty depot]

sim it

[ocean atlas]

Does anyone know if with the augmented ilvl with the turbo season, the ring of cyrce will be replaced with another ring?

[lofty depot]

nop

u can sim it aswell

[eager raft]

https://tenor.com/view/clocking-in-punching-in-clock-in-punch-in-work-gif-12890397

arctic clocking into his shift to say “sim it” in dg all day

[crisp badger]

hey guys, is optimal play always to save up astral power and dump all at once for starlord stacks?

[lofty depot]

if u have no stacks or stacks are going to end

yes

[crisp badger]

[digital berry]

It is the answer to almost every single gearing question so might as well

[eager raft]

riiiight

💀

[sour spindle]

Anyone have Gilded of the Undermine and able to settle a debate? Some people saying that (1) the average 675 ilvl doesn't matter for discounts, and you need a 678 helm to get a discount on the helm slot for your alt (i.e., it's slot-specific), and (2) the 10 crest discount doesn't apply to your main--only your alts

[pallid bay]

you need 675 average
you get discount based on the highest ilvl piece across all your characters in that slot

so if your main gets the achieve and has 658 wrist

and your alt has 678 wrist

your main will get discount up to 678

[jade flume]

what if my main has 678 ring 1 and alt has 678 ring 2

[pallid bay]

uh

good question

[digital berry]

It’ll probably be based off of highest second ring on both characters

[pallid bay]

actually no you need both

[fervent merlin]

Need both

[jade flume]

ye i just checked and it doesnt work on my main

[eager raft]

too friggin bad

[fervent merlin]

Man if only people asked questions like that

[jade flume]

i hope vendor jastor is 678 baseline

[fervent merlin]

So many good answers

Positive vibes

[jade flume]

or im fuked

if i have to upgrade that shit 20 times

[pallid bay]

💀

[meager storm]

just craft a ring on ur alt

surely the recraft thingy works

[digital berry]

The currency for the dinar drops from any difficulty?

[delicate perch]

quest just states kill raid bosses ya

or like 4(?) keystones

[eager raft]

Should b easy already have to do 23 keys for the crests you’ll need for the new ilvls

[sour spindle]

Thanks dudes (and wassup @pallid bay)

[digital berry]

With the 45 to 15 exchange at least we have like a good 200 free gilded

[sour spindle]

My guildies have apparently been doing the conversions every Tuesday bc they were impatient… so they’re SOL there

[digital berry]

Nah that’s crazy

[sour spindle]

Agreed

[eager raft]

How is that crazy?

[digital berry]

Impatient to run 3 keys and one heroic boss

[eager raft]

Nobody knew about this until a couple weeks ago

[lofty depot]

"impatient" is actually laziness

[eager raft]

Why would anybody be choosing to horde crests they never thought they’d have a use for

[lofty depot]

because they didnt want to do m+

which is valid

[eager raft]

Or they wanted to upgrade earlier

I do a dozen keys a week and I’ve traded up my crests every time I could

[digital berry]

I’ve never done it, its so damn easy to cap weekly gilded this season I never saw a reason to do it

It’s not like you need the 10 ilvl on Tuesday immediately for killing a boss

[eager raft]

?

[digital berry]

Trading up only makes sense if you want to instantly spend it all

[eager raft]

[pallid bay]

which you kinda want if you raid reset day during prog

and if you're extending and dont enjoy doing 8 keys or w/e

[digital berry]

Chances are doing 30k more dps won’t kill the boss you’re progging anyway tho, and you’re gonna probably do the keys anyway for vault loot

[eager raft]

classic

u don’t need the ilvl so just stop upgrading things in general

Why bother doing keys to cap the crests? Don’t need the ilvl

[digital berry]

Brother surely you didn’t just try and pull off the biggest stretch in the history of dg

[eager raft]

I’m not gonna open my vault this week don’t need the ilvl

[lofty depot]

dont engage with respectable

[digital berry]

Must be rage baiting

[pallid bay]

thats 480k dps across your raid

[lofty depot]

yea he was rage baiting on the floor last night

:/

[digital berry]

Which will not make your melee deposit coins in time or dodge them

[eager raft]

really sound argument

[pallid bay]

yeah this is some 3head discussion

where do you draw the line then

enchants?

sockets?

consumables?

they wont kill the boss..

[digital berry]

Again what is this insane stretching of my point

[pallid bay]

there's no stretching

you transfer it cause its an instant reward for prog

[digital berry]

all of those things have nothing to do with converting crests 5 minutes after servers are up and capping gilded despite running a bunch of keys anyway in the following couple of days

[eager raft]

but I want the item level for raiding

And I raid on patch day

[pallid bay]

i mean i would think the majority of people do not have time to cap their gilded before raid

[sour spindle]

If you raid on Tuesday, it makes sense. If you raid on, say, Sun/Mon, it doesn’t really make sense.

[lofty depot]

plenty of people raid 1-2 hours after they get off work

[digital berry]

Agree to disagree

[lofty depot]

and if u raid say mon-tues-wednesday u cant upgrade ur gear for tuesday/wed

[pallid bay]

there's nothing to agree with

[lofty depot]

???

[eager raft]

[lofty depot]

what do u mean agree to disagree

[pallid bay]

we explained why some people choose to do it

[lofty depot]

are u restarted?

[digital berry]

Probably tbh

[pallid bay]

like this is the discussion right

[digital berry]

Yeah alright alright i understand your point.

[pallid bay]

[digital berry]

@lofty depot

[lofty depot]

get mad about that

[digital berry]

Lmao

[lofty depot]

see, being called restarted does help u thjink

[dense steeple]

it restarts the brain

surel;y

[jade flume]

same

I sent all my runed crests long time ago

[dense steeple]

you probably still have runed crests

[jade flume]

ye i have 70

so 1 conversione

[dense steeple]

like i have 400 runed crests on my main

its pretty neat

i just get them

[jade flume]

ye i was using them every week to upgrade before raid so they never really had chance to stack up lol

[dense steeple]

i mean even if you do

once you cap gilded

any gilded you earn downconverts

[jade flume]

ye

and then next week i'd spend them

back to gilded

repeat every week

but next week it'll be impossible to get runed crest anyways so its a gg

[fervent merlin]

Huge rewarded still got 500 runed

[dense steeple]

why is my tank not wearing tier set???

[jade flume]

dps loss for prot pala

[dense steeple]

oh

[jade flume]

it aint

[celest narwhal]

does anyone know if there is a filter expression to show the first 3 deaths in a pull on logs

[celest narwhal]

o

I thought u had to type in an expression

[ebon sail]

Evening all, looking for a bit of details log analysis from a Rookery +12, failed it by 4 minutes (died a few times):

Feeling like my dps is lower than it should be.

[lucid olive]

thats not a log

[ebon sail]

I'm wondering if my spell ranking makes sense. I feel like maybe starfall be higher than star fire?

Actually dw, just realised I was runnin my tanking citrines, that would have hurt my dps a bit.

[digital berry]

Starfall most likely should be higher afaik , are you perma capping asp?

[delicate perch]

that's a lotta starsurge, but a random screeny of details gives 0 useful info

[lucid olive]

send log

[delicate perch]

send 5 hour key session vod

(with coms on)

[ebon sail]

I'm prob capping it more than I should.

[pliant moon]

If mobs are stacked, starfire going to do dam, in saying that i rarely drop below 3.5m ever

[ebon sail]

Also realised I actually had no citrines in at all, 😒 not sure why it removed them all when I changed spec.

[digital berry]

Am I blind or is there no moonfire on that dmg breakdown

[delicate perch]

?

[digital berry]

Im fucking blind

[delicate perch]

[digital berry]

Bro I got sunscreen in my right eye

Been pissing me off all day

[muted canopy]

"sunscreen" uwu

sorry ill leave now

[delicate perch]

I suggest not doing that

[pliant moon]

Glad you could help

[digital berry]

Cum hurts for like 10 minutes at most

[lucid olive]

pour sunscreen in the left one as well to counteract it

[digital berry]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[hollow mist]

so gigabrain this is why ur expert

[half fern]

so for a fresh druid that sucks. i crafted a 2 hand weapon with ascendance. so would a double the effect (cant think of its name) be a good second craft for now?

[lofty depot]

yes

[half fern]

i went that route cause i had like 480 weapon lol.