final bobcat
Howdy!
I am working on a new class: The Kineticist!
-# Totally not inspired by Pathfinder
Using elemental energy conducted within their body, Kineticists are able to produce, manipulate, and control the elements around them.
This thread will detail my design process, thoughts, and eventually, the class itself!
final bobcat
These are the basics of the class.
What do you guys think? Do you like the core of the class that these abilities display? <@&634107343180660739>
steel swan
Sounds interesting? Although I worry about the class potentially running out of steam at lower levels and just kind of standing there as a result, although I dunno how big the limit is currently.
final bobcat
Sounds interesting? Although I worry about the class potentially running out of ...
currently the limit is 3, but it gets larger as you level up
same with the Gather dice, currently it's a d4, but it grows
steel swan
currently the limit is 3, but it gets larger as you level up
I'd increase it to 4 myself? But 3 isn't the worst admittedly.
Also just wanted to say that I am not saying it's bad, just worrying that it might be a bit undertuned but apart feom that I think the class idea is really solid and likely very fun.
final bobcat
Also just wanted to say that I am not saying it's bad, just worrying that it mig...
yeah no worries, I started re-working on it today after 2 years of my previous version, and so I am still tuning it up
but Im glad to hear that you likewhat you see thus far!
steel swan
Glad to hear it, depending on how progress goes thia might be my next chatacter lol.
final bobcat
Glad to hear it, depending on how progress goes thia might be my next chatacter ...
hmmm I wonder, anything you wanna see in this class?
steel swan
hmmm I wonder, anything you wanna see in this class?
Absolutely basic opinion but I would be happy with just four elements monk but actually good, I am incredibly easy to please.
But if I was feeling spicy I would like clever play to be rewarded. Like a player being rewarded for using their resources in a clever way.
final bobcat
Absolutely basic opinion but I would be happy with just four elements monk but a...
can you give me an example of the second idea?
steel swan
Like say, driving the air out of somebody's lungs or using the earth to make a bridgeway or some such, I basically have no idea how a kinetist works so apologies for nonsense.
final bobcat
Like say, driving the air out of somebody's lungs or using the earth to make a b...
basically, the core of the class is based all around gathering and releasing elemental energy. You gather energy through Gather Elements, and then release it through your various abilities
some of the ability that you are describing would work as Elemental Disciplines, which is similar to the Mystic's disciplines system, and will allow me to give special abilities to each element
steel swan
Ah okay, in that case I would have no notes? Some class fantasies would probably be handled by the subclasses tbh.
quartz drift
# 1st level abilities!
These are the basics of the class.
- The **Element** fea...
Seems like a decent start though you always have to keep in mind multi-class shenanigans. Especially with things based around cha.
final bobcat
Seems like a decent start though you always have to keep in mind multi-class she...
That’s problematic, since these three abilities all create the core of the class, and you can’t really move them anywhere
quartz drift
That’s problematic, since these three abilities all create the core of the class...
I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
final bobcat
I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
This is the class’s bread and butter, so I cannot help but keep all three abilities there
quartz drift
This is the class’s bread and butter, so I cannot help but keep all three abilit...
Ok? I think it's a good start.
final bobcat
Ok? I think it's a good start.
Thanks!
I thought you showed concern about multi-classing with other cha characters
quartz drift
It could be a concern but I brought it up just as something to keep in mind. Not a deal breaker.
abstract pendant
Hi
abstract pendant
Gather elements is really restrictive
final bobcat
I am currently writing the level 2 features, which are just:
final bobcat
Gather elements is really restrictive
wdym?
abstract pendant
If you want to make the class compatible with '24 I'd recommend putting the subclasses at 3rd level
Well, you roll a die, get rounded down, then it's halved, and there's a hard cap on how many you can have
final bobcat
Well, you roll a die, get rounded down, then it's halved, and there's a hard cap...
that's the point though?
abstract pendant
Okay but I think there's an oversight
Who says I can't do it outside of comabt
Combat
final bobcat
Combat
they dissapate after a minute, so unless you know that you are entering battle (in which case doing it will cause you to enter combat), you won't be able to actually use them
abstract pendant
Yes they only last a minute, but it's still optimal to just sit there and spam it over and over
Even outside of combat
steel swan
I don't think feder said anything about the clsss being 2024 compatibile?
final bobcat
I don't think feder said anything about the clsss being 2024 compatibile?
im basing it off of '14, cause that's the version we play at my table
abstract pendant
No no it doesn't have to be, but if you did want it to be then the subclass would be put at 3rd level
That's the only meaningful difference when it comes to homebrewing classes imo
steel swan
im basing it off of '14, cause that's the version we play at my table
Same, sticking with 2014 rules while taking some notes from 2024.
final bobcat
That's the only meaningful difference when it comes to homebrewing classes imo
oh XD
final bobcat
Yes they only last a minute, but it's still optimal to just sit there and spam i...
how do you think I could combat this?
final bobcat
that is correct
abstract pendant
The easiest answer is short rest restoration
However that goes against using the action to get points
You could lessen the restrictions on it
And have a hard limit of used
Uses*
What it feels like is there are a lot of hurdles being thrown in to try and stop infinitely spamming the ability, however, unless there's a downside
People will do it
Another option is being able to do it a number of times between long rests, and going over incurs levels of exhaustion
Or even more extreme would be a set amount of death save failures for anytime you go down before you take a long redt
Rest
So going over your limit once would give one death failure, a second would be two, and on your third if you went down you'd instantly die
final bobcat
And have a hard limit of used
if i add a limit it would probably be cha mod over short rest
cause this ability is the core of the class, you need to have elemental charge to use your abilities
abstract pendant
I'd recommend for this specifically making the limit a column in the class table to prevent multiclass abuse
If you make it CHA then you start like the warlock or sorcerer multiclass shenanigans
And core features typically are tied to class tables for scaling
Sneak attack, bardic inspo
final bobcat
And core features typically are tied to class tables for scaling
i mean there is a scaling in the table, both the Gather Dice and the Elemental Charge Limit
abstract pendant
Right
final bobcat
the thing im scared of the most is that it really limits what you can do with the class, since almost everything requires you to have elemental charge
abstract pendant
That's not a bad thing
Wizards are the most broken class in the game arguably
Yet do nothing without spells
steel swan
I mean, bladesinger exists.
final bobcat
Wizards are the most broken class in the game arguably
but that is due to the sheer girth of their utility and damage options
abstract pendant
Yes
final bobcat
currently, Kineticist doesn't have that, especially considering it is limited into using a specific damage type (or types at higher levels through Improved Elements)
abstract pendant
Limitations breed creativity is all I'm saying
final bobcat
Limitations breed creativity is all I'm saying
that is true
ill probably need to sleep on it, but what you are saying is true and interesting
every time something like this talk happens, I remember how happy I am that I have this server XD
final bobcat
like im not kidding
all of this has been super helpful to me
and im just happy that i have a place to share my wacky ideas and talk to people
final bobcat
Each subclass will focus on the way a Kineticist focuses their energy:
Maybe pile:
final bobcat
<@&634107343180660739> Level 2 abilities of my Kineticist!
Time to kick this class into high gear with subclasses and disciplines!
The subclasses all focus on the way the kineticist channels their chosen element. Currently, I have conceptualized the Weapon, Body, and Spirit focuses, with maybe also Blast and Arcane joining.
Disciplines are the way the class enables "elemental abilities". Each element will have a set of disciplines, each requiring a certain amount of Elemental Charge points to use. The player will be able to take disciplines as they level up (primarily at levels 6, 13, and 20)
What do you think?
final bobcat
If you have any questions regarding what each ability does, do tell!
humble horizon
Howdy!
I am working on a new class: **The Kineticist**!
-# Totally not inspired ...
Interesting, why charisma?
I made an Elementalist class sorta inspired by the kineticist theyre fun
final bobcat
Interesting, why charisma?
Charisma is related the sheer force of will, and i feel like it really fits the Kineticist I wanna have.
Also Wisdom is already taken (by Monk)
humble horizon
Fair i gave mine wis anyways
Mine is a more druidesque connection to the elements
Not a caster tho
final bobcat
Mine is a more druidesque connection to the elements
ooh nice! mine is closer to Sorcerer in theming than to Druid
humble horizon
ooh nice! mine is closer to Sorcerer in theming than to Druid
Understandable then!
I did a thing with my witch class where i let em choose an ability modifier from the mental stats, cause like any of em work / make sense. Considered doin the same for the elementalist
final bobcat
I did a thing with my witch class where i let em choose an ability modifier from...
i thought about it, but Wisdom is more valuable than Charisma, so people would mostly pick it
ooh I might give the class a Fighting Style, but I'm not sure
humble horizon
ooh I might give the class a Fighting Style, but I'm not sure
I think i gave mine one
final bobcat
I think i gave mine one
probably at level 3, considering Primordial Command is a ribbon (learn Primordial language, and advantage on charisma checks against elementals)
humble horizon
Mhm makes sense
final bobcat
i might also ditch Evasion in favor of resistance (and eventually immunity) to an element's damage type
humble horizon
Yeah evasion makes it feel more like a martial stepping towards monk / rogue territory
final bobcat
and then I'll have to think about my biggest issue: making the Elemental Disciplines XD
cause each element will have like 6 disciplines of varying levels and they all have to be unique
i dont want to just do: "you can spend X Elemental Charge to cast Fireball" or something
Also I love this ability
final bobcat
Subclass description!
final bobcat
Made the first subclass: Weapon Focus!
This subclass revolves around imbuing your weapon with elemental energy, and launching devastating strikes with it.
The image in my head is that of a warrior enforcing their blade with fire or water to launch smites at enemies.
What do you think? Is it too good or not that good?
abstract pendant
Hi I am here to read
abstract pendant
Is there a list of disciplines
final bobcat
Is there a list of disciplines
not yet, I am building it
abstract pendant
Also I love this ability
The parameters for this are confusing
Is it counterspell for spells of elemental magic?
final bobcat
Is it counterspell for spells of elemental magic?
spells and other effects, yes
abstract pendant
I think it's too loosely specified as to what spells are eligible to be counterspelled this way
It also has no range
final bobcat
It also has no range
wait true i forgot to place range
abstract pendant
(Well the range is like 300 feet)
abstract pendant
This is a really strong feature
If you're wondering, the feature alone is basically 5 3rd level spells
With restrictions
final bobcat
With restrictions
they are pretty heavy though
final bobcat
you also get it insanely high
abstract pendant
14th is pretty high level
final bobcat
and it requires a save from the enemy, that probably uses their good stat
abstract pendant
Yeah the save needs to be a fixed ability score
Or make it follow counterspell rules
final bobcat
i was thinking about making it a Charisma save
abstract pendant
Counterspell auto succeeds on spells of 3rd level or lower
But otherwise it's a DC of 10 + the spells level, that the spellcaster needs to make (The spellcaster casting counterspell rolls this DC)
final bobcat
yeah, but since the effect stretches further than just spells, there's no way to place a defined DC for it against the player
abstract pendant
I'd lowkey copy-paste counterspell and just expand on the restrictions and remove the auto success on spells of 3rd level or lower
Wait
Would this work on like
Dragons breath attack
final bobcat
yes
that's its point XD
thats the exact reason why all of the restrictions are in placed, and why its written oddly
abstract pendant
My knee-jerk reaction was to make it a DC equal to the creatures CR
final bobcat
My knee-jerk reaction was to make it a DC equal to the creatures CR
XD
abstract pendant
But that's metagame information
final bobcat
true
abstract pendant
Because like
final bobcat
that's why I made the enemy roll the ability as save
abstract pendant
Countermagicing tiamats breath weapon would be badass but also really unlikely
final bobcat
Countermagicing tiamats breath weapon would be badass but also really unlikely
what ability does it use
abstract pendant
Most of them are dex
One is con
But it wouldn't make sense that it's different for each one
That's a lot of bookkeeping
final bobcat
but waht ability does it use to calculate the DC
abstract pendant
Oh I see
Monsters typically don't calculate DCs like that
Spellcasting is CHA
But it took me a bit to find it
And there are non-magical users that use like
Magical items
That would be eligible for your countermagic effect
But not have an easily available ability score
final bobcat
how do you think I could streamline it?
final bobcat
Okay guess I'm writing a feature now lmao
im not sure if that's needed, but if you have an idea for how to balance it, it would be good
abstract pendant
(14th-Level Kineticist Feature)
:
Your elemental abilities allow you to disipate even the most powerful of elemental forces.
When a creature within 60 feet that you can see induces a magical effect, such as casting a spell, a dragons breath attack, or using a magical item, and the magical effect deals acid, cold, fire, lightning, or poison damage, you may use a reaction to attempt to disipate the magic rendering it harmless.
Make a DC 15 Charisma save, or a Charisma save equal to the DC of the magical effect, whichever is higher. On a success, the magic fails and has no effects.
You may use this feature a number of times equal to your Charisma modifier (minimum of 1). You regain all uses of this feature when you finish a long rest.
final bobcat
### Counter Elements
*(14th-Level Kineticist Feature)*
:
Your elemental abilitie...
we just need to remove the damage type specifier, but it looks good actually
may I use it?
abstract pendant
Well the damage type specifier is important otherwise it's busted
Because then you could counterspell stuff like hold person
Portal
final bobcat
Well the damage type specifier is important otherwise it's busted
youll only have 1 damage type active at the time
abstract pendant
Portals
final bobcat
cause the damage type needs to match your active element
abstract pendant
Not the way the feature is written now
final bobcat
Fire -> Fire
Water -> Cold
Air -> Thunder
Earth -> Bludgeoning
abstract pendant
Oh okay I see, did you want it to counter that specific damage type?
final bobcat
Oh okay I see, did you want it to counter that specific damage type?
yup
i can add it though
abstract pendant
Okay yes you can use it
final bobcat
thanks a bunch man!
abstract pendant
Go ahead! A Christmas gift from me to you
final bobcat
awwwwwww
abstract pendant
It's very neat, a lot of people just slap immunities to elemental damages and call it a day
But this induces choice, much more creative than just ignoring stuff
And it's narratively fulfilling
abstract pendant
Yes exactly
Fits the theme really well
It is still really strong but this isn't a spellcaster so it should be fine
What saves does this class get
The proficiencies I mean
final bobcat
The proficiencies I mean
at the beginning, Wis and Cha, and it gets Con at level 15
abstract pendant
Ok
final bobcat
and now to conceptualize the 2 other subclasses XD
abstract pendant
Yeah good luck with that lmao
final bobcat
And also a crapton of disciplines (at least 4-5 for each element)
final bobcat
Air discipline ideas:
final bobcat
A ranged weapon air discipline
At 1st level, everyone gets the Kinetic Blast, which is a ranged weapon
Though I could give each element a “weapon discipline” that conjures a weapon made out of elements for a single attack
Air bow
Fire sword
Water trident (I guess)
Earth hammer
And eventually:
Wood quarterstaff
Metal claymore
abstract pendant
It kind of makes them all samey
Subclasses, and I have a hard time with this
Are as thematically distinct as they are mechanically distinct
final bobcat
Are as thematically distinct as they are mechanically distinct
I mean, these are not subclasses so…
The disciplines can go alongside any subclass
humble horizon
Subclass description!
Interesting! Why not have the wubclasses based on element rather than weapon per say?
final bobcat
Interesting! Why not have the wubclasses based on element rather than weapon per...
Elements have their own thing (element choice + disciplines), and I feel like it’s more important to distinguish how the kineticist uses their element rather than the elements themselves
(Also that way I can allow multiple elements)
(But I also alllow specializing into a single element)
humble horizon
Fair fair! i sorta did the opposite approach
primary class deals an elemental damage of your choice whenever you use the feature, and subclasses are element specific
but i can def see why youd go method over element
humble horizon
Made the first subclass: Weapon Focus!
This subclass revolves around imbuing yo...
I will say tho the mini smite is a bit lackluster for their only 2nd level subclass feature besides proficiencies
final bobcat
I will say tho the mini smite is a bit lackluster for their only 2nd level subcl...
Hmmmmm why do you feel that?
humble horizon
because it is a resource dependent d4 smite, which at 2nd level you can only use for three turns at most if you use one charge per attack
so at 3rd level you get a total of 3d4 bonus damage and thats it
abstract pendant
Also there are multiple instances of "Expand" instead of "Expend" when spending elemental charges
😄
I agree with Eden, 1d4 per charge is an average of 2.5 damage, very low
final bobcat
Also there are multiple instances of "Expand" instead of "Expend" when spending ...
English’s not my first language admittedly so I’m bound to make mistakes like these
abstract pendant
That is okay
final bobcat
I agree with Eden, 1d4 per charge is an average of 2.5 damage, very low
Should I maybe enhance it to something like 1d6 or even more?
final bobcat
I might also add the feature to call on that item into your hand at any time
abstract pendant
There are clerics also that get extra damage on attacks
But typically it's more of a holy thing for some reason
Not that you can't do it that wya
Way
But there are more interesting options
humble horizon
Ranger subclass (i believe fey wanderer) gets a resourceless 1d4 bonus psychic once per turn
abstract pendant
Yeah 1d4 is the lowest amount of damage you could give someone outside of like a +1 bonus to attacks and damage
1d6 at least
But since you get a lot of charges, no more than 1d8
1d6 probably the sweet spot, but if everything in the class competes with Elemental Charges, players might not even use this
humble horizon
i think a subclass's first feature shouldnt be resource dependent
humble horizon
yeahhhh but when the primary class already has resources that just makes it harder to track
humble horizon
That is true but monk subclasses are very weird compared to other classes
humble horizon
If i may give a suggestion, id narrow the scope of your weapon subclass at least
like making one subclass for using ranged weapons, one for thrown, one for melee
final bobcat
I’ll read the stuff in like 15 mins, driving rn
humble horizon
thatll let you give them more specific features that they can use and that tailors more to their playstyle
abstract pendant
Subclasses also tend to be built around themes and not mechanics
humble horizon
Subclasses also tend to be built around themes and not mechanics
true but i mean mechanics and themes sorta overlap for types of weapons
abstract pendant
They can yes
humble horizon
like the theme of a bowman is very different from a swordsman
humble horizon
yeah
abstract pendant
You can have a bowman and a swordsman with similar themes
Nature's attendant
Mystic
Is more what I meant by theme
humble horizon
fair though when looking at a subclass it should be unique both mechanically and thematically\
cause just changing the theme / flavor of a subclass is free
abstract pendant
Oh for sure
I find it easier to set a theme of flavour and build around it than a theme of mechanics
Sometimes the theme gives you a mechanic to build around
humble horizon
my logic is its harder to make features that are broadly applicable to different fighting styles, rather than honing in on one or two
humble horizon
yeah
in my class i gave each subclass (each with their own element) a unique weapon / additional weapon properties that fit with the theming of that element. IE necrotic subclass is a scythe with semi lifesteal, radiant is a bow and arrow, lightning is a halbard (tho i also considered a thunder bolt), etc
abstract pendant
I find that can work but you sort of railroad players into only having those weapons
humble horizon
oh thats why i have them be weapon properties not like actual specific weapons like the rogue
's psychic daggers
abstract pendant
Yeah that's fair
serene drum
I realise this is not helpful, and likely a me issue, but I keep reading the forum name as Feder's Kinect.
humble horizon
lmao
abstract pendant
Thank you for your input Ovion
serene drum
You're welcome.
humble horizon
when deciding a name for an elementalist class it did take me a while to land on smth that wasnt confusing or anything
abstract pendant
Yeah Kineticist is a bit longwinded
humble horizon
Kineticist is a vibing name but its also one hell of a word to say
abstract pendant
Stupid english language
humble horizon
and ive apparently probably got dyslexia which doesnt help but thats besides the point, but regardless i believe they wanted to take the name directly from PF2e's kineticist which is fair
humble horizon
neither have i tbh but ive looked at its classes for inspo before
serene drum
I've played PF1e, and enjoyed it - but it's a rather different experience
I looked at early PF2e, and did not care for it.
I keep meaning to look at the more recent PF2e, but it's low down the list.
humble horizon
pf2e stuff has gotten really cool at least while looking at it
serene drum
early PF2e had a lot of issues with illusion of choice I didn't like
modern PF2e... I see a lot of complaints about weird choices, and what I hear doesn't especially excite me.
but that's fine
final bobcat
modern PF2e... I see a lot of complaints about weird choices, and what I hear do...
i play modern pf2e, it's wierd
but it has a lot of charm
serene drum
D&D3.x/PF1e is great though.
Fun to play, lots of crunch, lots of freedom and options.
Can take you 3-5 days to make a character, but that's part of the fun.
And D20 Modern, which is a 3.x system, is possibly my fave TTRPG
final bobcat
XD
final bobcat
I realise this is not helpful, and likely a me issue, but I keep reading the for...
im adding the Kinect to 5e, want some?
serene drum
im adding the Kinect to 5e, want some?
I have 2, but I wouldn't say no to more.
I should actually see if the local second hand stores have any kinects cheap.
ooh, £10
for both kinect 1 and 2
grab me some to rip apart and play with : P
humble horizon
lmao
final bobcat
oh thats why i have them be weapon properties not like actual specific weapons l...
may I ask for the cliffnotes about the convo above? I am not sure I understood the final position
abstract pendant
Fair
Theme is important
When you make a subclass try to be a one size fits all you end up with a blank canvas
On the flipside, if you railroad too much you take away player agency
final bobcat
i fully agree
that is why i tried to both keep the Weapon focus loose enough, and stick to a cohesive theme
abstract pendant
It just depends on the direction you want to take your subclasses
final bobcat
Body and Spirit focuses will be interesting though
Body is mainly about auras and using the body as a conduit. It would lend to an unarmed grappler fighting style.
Spirit is about summoning an elemental spirit to attack alongside you
final bobcat
It just depends on the direction you want to take your subclasses
i feel like the current direction works pretty well
humble horizon
What i was trying to say is i think your weapon subclass is too broad for its own good
humble horizon
cause it loses out on so many opportunities to give unique features inspired by a specific combat style like being a melee dualist or a ranged bowuser
final bobcat
No fuck it you get a ❤️
may I ask?
final bobcat
cause it loses out on so many opportunities to give unique features inspired by ...
Body kinda complements that with unarmed grapples
final bobcat
I hit ❤️ instead of 👍
XD
humble horizon
Body kinda complements that with unarmed grapples
well maybe but im talking about the weapon subclass specifically
cause the only 100% applicable features to every weapon type is a damage bonus
which gets boring very quickly
abstract pendant
Or a hit modifier
humble horizon
yeah
abstract pendant
When I imagine a kineticist with heavy armor and a huge hammer swinging through a battle
I imagine someone that really leans into the elements
Like a thor
But thor would not work if he didn't have a hammer
humble horizon
then you make a subclass speifically built around being that heavy weapon wielder with armored
then you could also make a subclass specifically for something like light armor and daggers in a more rogue esque way
etc
abstract pendant
The other problem with making a subclass so broad is that if you ever wanted to make a subclass that's more narrow but steps on their toes it's awkward
Like if you make a different weapon based subclass there's overlap
final bobcat
i feel like having subclasses for each weapon "type" is a bit too specific for me
abstract pendant
Yes it would be
But having a subclass about playstyles isn't
Like imagine a kineticist that uses a sword and has expertize in picking one dude and killing them
Eat all of my elemental energy sir
Or a support martial with a spear that summons pillars of ice for cover for their allies
final bobcat
Or a support martial with a spear that summons pillars of ice for cover for thei...
that ice thing sounds like a discipline
the subclasses themselves are supposed to be broad, considering the disciplines add more specific "elemental maneuvers"
abstract pendant
I see okay
final bobcat
i feel like i should have explained it a lot sooner XD
Subclasses - Broad ways to channel your energy.
Disciplines - Specific ways to channel each element.
so a stone wall would be a Discipline, not a subclass ability, but a smite is applicable to every element, and would be considered a subclass
final bobcat
when I add Ice as an element, sure
abstract pendant
Is water an element
final bobcat
water != ice
final bobcat
it's like how Lightning != Air
final bobcat
I've seen Avatar
me too, but I feel like you could do so much more with them separate
abstract pendant
I think a small problem with water based things in DnD is like, unless there is already water present or you can make water, you need some help
final bobcat
in my thing you can make water
humble horizon
So With mine i went relatively unorthadox with the elements
I did:
Dawn
Dusk
Flames
Stone
Storms
Tides
and they each have a damage type corresponding
Radiant
Necrotic
Fire
Mag Bludgeoning
Lightning / Thunder
Cold
that also gives me room to expand into more specific things like Ice (cold), Earth (poison and/or acid), water (cold or acid), metal (mag bps), etc
humble horizon
id reccomend a similar approach, OR you go all in on the major four, Air, Earth, Fire, Water
final bobcat
id reccomend a similar approach, OR you go all in on the major four, Air, Earth,...
i do 4 elements + Metal and Wood (for chinese)
final bobcat
might do, Light, Dark, Arcane, Lightning, and Ice when Im done with everythign else
humble horizon
lots of cultures have spirit as the fifth element
final bobcat
lots of cultures have spirit as the fifth element
aether?
abstract pendant
Would spirit be necrotic or is that not a thing
humble horizon
might do, Light, Dark, Arcane, Lightning, and Ice when Im done with everythign e...
fair
abstract pendant
Forgive my arrogance on the topic
humble horizon
aether?
depends on the culture, spirit is sometimes aether but not alwats
Wicca has spirit
Aether is a more greek word and is usually connected to the breath of life / upper air
final bobcat
spirit feels like Psychic
humble horizon
In my thing i have Aether as like the base element of all magic / power / etc
humble horizon
spirit feels like Psychic
very tru
humble horizon
tho i think in most circumstances spirit and aether are semi-exchangeable
final bobcat
BTW if you have ideas for disciplines for each element I would love to hear them (currently only Fire, Water, Air, Earth)
steel swan
Fire is easy, just go full blaster and war crimes.
final bobcat
Fire is easy, just go full blaster and war crimes.
i dont want to do just "explosion"
though I can
Flash FIre to burn your enemies
final bobcat
But you could for a damage over time route with it.
maybe a Trailblazer to place fire where you go?
steel swan
Perhaps? Could work and would certainly be evocative.
final bobcat
I wanna have at least one "utility" discipline for each element
for Air its Slow Fall and Flight, for Water its Waterwalk, but I dont have any for Earth or Fire
earth could just be tremorsense maybe
steel swan
Tremorsense is honestly whatever but it is a old reliable.
steel swan
Quicksand sounds more fun to me, a classic trap and it feels fun.
abstract pendant
Fire definitely could have some light options
Like literally light production
Blinding effects
Heat can also incur exhaustion
Heat exhaustion is a real thing
final bobcat
Heat can also incur exhaustion
do enemies have exhaustion effects?
final bobcat
ill actually start writing Disciplines tomorrow maybe
or ill get carried away and make the Spirit Focus
but right now, it's time to sleep
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Night
final bobcat
if you have discipline ideas (elemental abilities), I would love to hear them
(When I wake up of course)
(But you can leave them here and I’ll get to them in the morning if you’d like)
final bobcat
Here are all of the 24 elemental disciplines! What do you think?
(I still need to write them all XD but these are the ideas)
And also, here's a discipline!
BTW I have a problem I would like your guys' opinions on:
I feel like the disciplines might be too strong to have infinite uses (provided you have charges), so I was thinking: What if we limited it in some capacity?
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What I would recommend is
Make it a limit p/sr and have it as a column in the table
And then give it the ability to add charges to scale them up in power with maximums, so it's "theoretically" most efficient to only use them at max
But practically you can use them below maximum just to have their abilities ready
That way you sort of cap the amount of power you get even if you have perpetual resource generation
final bobcat
And then give it the ability to add charges to scale them up in power with maxim...
wdym?
final bobcat
New subclass alert! Spirit Focus!
This one revolves around conjuring an elemental spirit to aid you in battle
steel swan
New subclass alert! **Spirit Focus**!
This one revolves around conjuring an elem...
Seems cool, but maybe I would add in how it looks like and how you could flavour it yourself.
final bobcat
Seems cool, but maybe I would add in how it looks like and how you could flavour...
there is a line about flavoring it in there
though I can add a sort of "note" related to how you could flavor it
steel swan
there is a line about flavoring it in there
I just missed it then lol.
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Disciplines are basically spells
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wdym?
You can have disciplines get better exactly the same way a spell gets better when cast at a higher level
final bobcat
You can have disciplines get better exactly the same way a spell gets better whe...
i might do that to a specific subclass
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I think it would be good as a general rule for the class
final bobcat
il lthink about it
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Especially because
If you add a hard limit to your disciplines
Redundiates the point that your class resource is infinite
Basically you wouldn't make your class use elemental points for disciplines anymore
You can think of it as, for the monk, you're limited by your ki points
But since everything revolves around this resource, and it's in infinite supply, you have to come up with more creative ways to give the class limita
Limits
final bobcat
But since everything revolves around this resource, and it's in infinite supply,...
so add a 3rd tab for limiting the amount of points you can use at once?
like a discipline charge limit?
abstract pendant
Yeah, the issue with the class you'll run into is like
Infinite resources very strong
final bobcat
yup
so like, starting at level 2, the limit is 2 charges, and then it goes all the way to 5?
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Honestly I'd make it so each time you spend charges, you get a stacking increase of elemental exhaustion, and any abilities that require elemental charges cost an extra amount equal to your exhaustion
(Name pending)
But the idea is that instead of hard limiting your resource gain each turn you're making it more impractical to use abilities, it takes more strength in longer fights
And you no longer limit features
There will be a practical cap where you spend multiple turns getting charged
Charges
final bobcat
so:
(i am not sure how much I like the elemental exhaustion aspect, but if im getting this correctly do tell)
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That's one way to go
The exhaustion way I mentioned makes all your stuff cost more
final bobcat
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BTW these are the current disciplines, but if you have more disciplines I would love to hear them!
(Also, I thought about it, and I might go up to 7 elements, including Metal, Wood, and Aether. But only after I finish all the other elements)
final bobcat
final bobcat
I finished writing all 24 disciplines...
oh god that was hard
the class has odd formatting rn, and is missing an introduction page, equipment, and an entire subclass, but it is 8 pages long (not including cover and back pages)
it will probably go up to 10-11 when I'm done, and that doesn't even take art into account
steel swan
Still that's good progress, looking forward to seeing the completed version.
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the class has odd formatting rn, and is missing an introduction page, equipment,...
My weaver was about 12 when finished
Small note is that water whip could simply be called whip, or even wet lasso (which is a hilarious name)
Water whip and water walk are very similar in name and could potentially confuse players
final bobcat
Small note is that water whip could simply be called whip, or even wet lasso (wh...
i changed it to Tentacle
since it more resembles a tentacle
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That is fair
final bobcat
Still that's good progress, looking forward to seeing the completed version.
XD thanks!
I got 2 sick days from work (what a way to end the year XD)
so ill maybe get a chance to finish it by then
steel swan
You never know lol, would be pretty neat to see it completed by then lol.
final bobcat
Time to reveal a really cool feature I was doing: Improved Elements and Total Control!
So, there are 2 approaches that people may take when making an "elemental warrior" class:
Now, in this Kineticist, the subclasses are tied to focuses, not elements, but...
You have the ability to choose to either hone a single element, or select multiple!
Using Improved Elements, you can choose whether to slowly gain more elements, or to learn more disciplines of the elements you know.
and with Total Control, you can either learn all elements, or all disciplines of an element!
final bobcat
Soon...
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Time to reveal a really cool feature I was doing: **Improved Elements** and **To...
Improved elements is a really good idea, one small issue is that 99 times out of 100 it will just be better to stick to 1 element and adding more disciplines than it would be to give your kinetic blast a new damage type
Oh nvm I read bad
Ok new issue
The class table shows you how many disciplines you can have at once
When you get access to this feature
It doesn't specify if the disciplines count or overcome that limit
final bobcat
The class table shows you how many disciplines you can have at once
That’s not what the discipline limit means
It means that you can only use disciplines that cost up to that amount of charges
cobalt steppe
Might want a new name that implies some level of expenditure?
abstract pendant
Yeah "limits" traditionally refers to how many times you can use a feature
final bobcat
How should I call it?
final bobcat
Charge Limit
there already is an Elemental Charge Limit column
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Vote!!
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Everyone, check out the new class I am working on: The Medium! #1456613272408297644
(Don't worry, I am going to release the Kineticist soon)