Gorou's Martyr

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Tldr is taunt

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what in the description of how this class is formed alludes to that becoming an ability

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Name is questionable but for now is a name for sake of having one

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that is not really a taunt. for you to scream and have them take damage that seems pretty potent. you could have them roll a dice and then if they get over like your level they don't attack you but if they do get under your level they have to attack you

like this

Taunt
During titanium stance you as a free action you can call out to all hostile creatures within 30ft. Each of them need to roll a flat d20, if the value is less than your level on their next turn they must move towards you and its first attack must target you.
You can use this feature as a bonus action 3 times per long rest

at level 10 the range increases to 60, and at level 18 the range increases to 120

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There's a save in there

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you seem to be trying really hard to reason your way into keeping the save and not adding it to all of the subclasses individually

I see no problem with adding it to the individually

look at fighter

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They each have their own things which need saves

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almost all fighters subclasses have a DC, but it is not a main class teacher

and then you look at a class that has spellcasting and then it's right there

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every official subclass in DND 5E that requires a save dc, they describe it in the class

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That's why I have it in the class

I'll review it's formating

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do you plan for all of your subclasses ever to use a save dc, what if i made a subclass that didn't use save DC for your class

that person would be having a completely useless feature

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Yes I do

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it's not that hard coppy past to the subclasses

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I feel really out of the loop here but why is that a problem is they're making a sub

If they make one without saves you don't really lose much feature wise

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how would you like a class feature at level one that does actually nothing

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Something with the same impact as that? I'd feel nothing

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exactly. it is boring

currently you're just adding things to add things. trying to connect dots

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My grasps to connect dots is in the subs

I have a solid but simple idea for the class itself

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forget about the subclasses you have right now build like you have no idea what you will make for them

stop trying to connect the class to the subclasses

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Is Wisdom save appropriate for searing prayer?

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how can the class do that, I thought it didn't have holy powers

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It's giving you a way to taunt without a sub and keep you connected to the gods

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When you asked holy or martial I said holy

The ability names on the sub which are your main source of extra stuff previously making constant references or out right mentions of a holy power or influence

I need to work on these names here

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you need to connect the base class to be holy, look at paly

I think you need to take a day off from this and think how are you going to develop this class

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And what's a suitable way to do that

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I would lower the HP dice

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I designed it where the blatant stuff is in subs but you told me to give the class itself a stronger identity

Which lead to me getting a bit lost a few times while you've been helping me

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and use nameing like Divine xyz, holy xyz

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look at the lower for a monk and then look at the lore for the subclasses. it can be pretty wildly different but with the same base soul

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It should share the same base soul as is

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but be different

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I do need to rewrite the subs blurb though

I'll share those in this chat after renaming some stuff

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forget that you have written subclasses I keep saying it

with all of my classes the moment I forget that I have sub classes or don't actually have them the Base class becomes a lot better

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I can't put too much in the base class itself, it's already a bit overloaded. But I'll try and to flesh it out with forgetting the subs exsist

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Back to this, is wisdom appropriate?

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features I have noted I feel like should be removed

holy shit that is powerful

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It gets that response?

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pain bearer is also very strong or useless

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forcing creatures to have disadvantage and take damage with a duration until the start of your next turn that is incredibly powerful

too powerful for level 5

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Unless they attack you

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imagine if your ally took 15 damage and you are at 14 hit points

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That means you're doing your job and you can choose not to take the damage

It's an optional feature

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how? nowhere it says it's an optional feature

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Does what I just highlighted not mean you have a choice in the matter?

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you are level 1 and a attack would deal 15 damage on a crit

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You get it at 3

If you don't want to save an ally because you don't have hp you can just not

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but it feels like a required thing to use and do

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Do I need to move the you can expend your reaction before the if?

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And why is that? This is important for me to understand

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you could have them drop to one hip point instead and the damage be nullified. but a creature cannot benefit from this more than once per long rest

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you just get this at level 3 and you want to try it out

look at a similar feature

A number of times equal to your proficiency mod you can use your reaction to force damage on to you, you pick up to prof mod Friendly creatures within 20ft of you and guard them from incoming damage, you take the damage instead. If it is a melee attack you guard from all attacks from the attacking creature. If it is a spell or aoe, you only take one instance of the damage

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I will use that somewhere else

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that is the perfect feature for level 3

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Should I just use this one elsewhere instead?

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yeah, higher level

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After I add this you think it's fine?

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are you inproving resistance?

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No that's too much durability in my point

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ok

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what are you useing for the subclass leveling?

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I'm pretty sure I just went by closest class/subclass to give features of roughly same relative strength at same time

Chrono is a slightly lower shifted cleric iirc

1 5 7 9 13

It's not actually done and neither is my 3rd sub

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i would do a 3rd level start

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You willing to help me redistribute the subclass feature unlocks?

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sure, the abilitys might be stronk but you need to finish the base class

id add a 18, and 20th

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I was going to oppose but I don't actually have a reason too

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lets hear it

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What you're thinking is fitting of 20th level, I'm completely blank on this

Well not completely

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well you have subclass feature on 20th

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Divine endurance usage upgrade

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Features (3,7,15,20
is this accurate?

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For the class?

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sub classes

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Oh that was a loose guide for the class features

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ok add the class features tothe table

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Already there

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id adjust stable body

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Isn't it almost ribbon level? Or is being moved actually a big thing?

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what do you mean

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To put it differently is it actually of significance it adds a check to move you?

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not entirely no

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it just need to be reworded a bit

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Any better like this

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and if a spell tries to move you?

tsunami

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It must pass your DC and a natural disaster should do that with ease

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you do need to clarify, if i cast tsunami on you what happens?

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I use my spell save DC before rolling strength if it goes pass the DC

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can you re explain that?

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With the spell you mentioned

It's your spell dc vs mine

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that is odd

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If mine is higher I don't even make the strength saving throw

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you need yo have it explained in the feature

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Is this description better?

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Anything attempting to push, pull, or lift you has to pass your save dcin order to move you
Any spell saves you make to resist being pushed, pulled, or lifted. if the casters dc is lower than yours you pass

for some attacks will auto succeedvs your save dc

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What attacks?

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any creature that has a save dc higher than 19

witch is why i made it a advantage and disadvantage

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dragon tail attacks that knock you prone

@pallid scrollclass is almost done

an 18th and 20th

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oh?

do you have other levels in mind?

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No but I don't have features

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come up with features

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haveing an ally drop to 1 hp instead of dieing

male it the 18th levle feature

@pallid scrollcome on you can be creative 1 more class feature

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I'm thinking about it

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you got it

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Made Heavenly Bulwark which just upgrades your divine endurance

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I like it

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@last fog am I good to put the subs back

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at the bottom

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yup place them at the bottom, we will look at one at a time

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2nd trying to get one subclass per page

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Close enough to one per page as is?

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do all have 9 features in total

9or more

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7,14,7

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one of those things is not like the other one of those things just doesn't belong

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The sentinel and chronomancer aren't exactly finished

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dear god

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And which one is that to you?

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Oh I don't know the one that has twice the amount of subclass features as both of them combined as well as twice any individual vanilla subclass

Including ones that do spell casting

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Oh yeah that's the finished one

Most of it is basically copying barb and then diverging on some of the features

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Sweetie 14 features is way too many

At absolute most I've ever done is 8

with most being simple features'

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I would like you to look at a bunch of homebrew classes especially subclasses just right now

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Most are pretty simple and some are upgrades

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That's how I got these to this point

Ok barb with subs is 18 features

I'm just going to see if I can combine some stuff on the inquistor, can you look over the sentinel while I do so?

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what?

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Hesperium sentinel is the subclass at the top

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i see 5 with totem barbarian

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Class and sub?

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All of the barbarian subclasses I see either four or five

sub

Your main class is OK

To use another person's words "your subclasses are practically classes in their own right"

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Do you count upgrades to an ability as another feature?

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lets look at radiant guardian new name

what is the idea for the subclass

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Which sub is that?

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Hesperium Sentinel, the ???

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Passive punishing aoe

Neutronic shielding and contact asympote make the core of the sub

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ok, the first feature should be the shields what are they, barriers of energy around you?

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Basically a physical part of your being

Well the middle two anyways

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why are there 3 ?

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Primary secondary and backup shielding

The primary one is magical

I should probably write that down actually

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Why aren't they all magical?

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Having physically based and reinforced shielding just helps you do your job better as a warden than a magical barrier

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i would have them be barriers of force

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I could make that a feature of your primary layer as right now it doesn't do much

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that keep your rarationb in

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id have 1 to start

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Simple knock back?

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hmm, you can form a barrier of force around you keeping in your radiation while this is up anything that attacks you goes to the shield instead. And when the shielding drops you start emitting radiation

The higher level you get the more radiation you produce the more barriers you need

And certain levels you can expand them to do interesting things but then you need to rebuild build them

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Right now you can open them to do abilities but you can also hunker down and close them to heal

It does eat your action

You can heal a little more if you also eat your bonus action

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self healing with a d12 hit dice is strong

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Should I bump it down to d4's?

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How much HP will you have at Level 3 with average constitution?

I think for level one you gained the barrier and you gaind radiation

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36

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as one feature, describe where the barrier comes from.

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It's just that self heals that you can do indefinitely are super powerful

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Should I add that description to the same feature that mentions you have them?

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there is a limet, but that is quite a bit of HP more than anything a fighter can do at level 1

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Here's my recommendation level 1 feature that shows that you produce a passive amount of radiant damage and you produce these barriers to keep you from injuring others

at level 1 the radiant damage only needs one barrier to be prevented from escaping

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I tried to build in a trade off of how you can't attack if you want to heal

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That's not the point it is terrible for a class like this to not be attacking

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Exactly

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Imagine if the barbarian is just turtling up not attacking

is that fun?

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Yeah you're not becoming any ones favorite by doing that constantly

You shouldn't have to do that constantly

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I think it's a long run how you have it is pretty bad

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i see it being used out of combat

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You can literally heal yourself to full after a fight without expending any resources

The overpowered feature is the fact you can do it unlimitedly

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Should I add a requirement for a hostile enemy to be nearby?

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no , add cap on usages or change it to a different feature

at level 1 a fighter can heal once per long rest 1d10+1

you can do max health at level 20

fighter 1d10+20= 30hp

my bad 60

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You could have level 1 start dealing radiant damage passively, signifying that this subclass should be in the front just dealing damage to everything around it

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That's what contact asympote is or do you want me to add something else?

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A single level one feature, letting you deal with damage to everything within an area and barriers that prevent you from killing your allies

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1d4 if a creature starts or moves into your bright light?

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So have them make a constitution saving throw versus your dc, pass no damage, fail 1d4

This is to replace both of the first two features

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Hmm

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Would you like me to give you a description for what I'm trying to get across

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Yes I would

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at level one you begin to produce radiant damage from your body passively. Any creature that starts its turn within 10 feet of you must make a constitution saving throw or take one D4 radiant damage. You can create a barrier of force around you to prevent your allies from taking the damage this also turns off the passive \ damage

and that is 1 feature

if it is writen how i have it you can use less words

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My true issue with this is your suggestion to replace asympote

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it is tha same thing just PASIVE

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Less damage and smaller area fine

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and better balenced'

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But you no longer can restrict movement

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at higher levels mor of both

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Think about it if you were getting bombarded with radiation are you slowed down or do you feel like your guts are getting turned inside out?

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You are absolutely going to feel the force exerted by this much radiation

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I just asked an expert it's more likely that you'd be taking one point of damage every turn and not taking any amount of knockback or resistance to movement

Moving to a billion rads would feel the same as zero

If you want to have the pushback effect add that at a higher level

that is a lot for level 1

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9 for now?

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Reading barrier upgrade

Slows down creatures 5 feet or so, deals 1d6 damage, needs 2 barriers. increses range by 5 ft

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Actually is 1 solar luminosity a lot to be standing 5ft from?

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anyway

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I try have some base for why beyond lore and this is a part of why https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/radiation-pressure

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what units are you useing?

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Solar luminosity feet and psi

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What values did you put in

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1 luminosity and went in 5ft increments starting at 5

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With that pressure your character would be flying.....

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So what you're saying is fly speed? /s

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no you are trying to use math where it should not be done. With the numbers I got you would be an atomic pancake that's gonna start a black hole

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Hence why I didn't really take anything more than the concept of emitting pressure else I don't see it being much fun

This was just me wondering how much pressure you'd be emitting

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okay I would say at level one not to have the slow down

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I have no argument there

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level one have the radiant damage short range, and then the barriers to protect your friends

at like level 9 for example the damage increases you start producing more energy and creatures start to slow down when entering near you

higher levels you actually start to push them away from you

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Should it upgrade into that or be additional

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upgrade

don't try to add things on top of old things improve the old

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Relating to that upgrade should core overclocking increase the radius to or is that too much speed control

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Hey actually why not a slow pulling in at higher level?

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so at 20 ft that is quite a lot of control

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At the fringes it should be quite slight

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and at Max 30 ft area

this would be the diameter

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20ft radius is 15ft foot speed reduction 20ft diameter is 5ft

This is assuming the closest they can get is 5ft am I correct on that?

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no all of it would be radius

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I just wrote those out for myself to just see the reduction

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oh

10 ft diameter 20ft diameter and 30 ft diameter

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What's the closest two creatures can be without being in each other 5ft right?

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yeah, 5 ft

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-5 10 and 20 ft each right?

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yeah so at Max it'd be minus 10 ft of movement

and when you end your turn you get pushed back 5 ft

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I don't think this wording makes the reduction apply on the edge of each band

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that would be at maximum level for the future

what do you mean each band

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Can I make it pull you innards instead

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Each 5ft sector

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why would it pull inwards if you're pushing out a lot of energy

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for simplicity I would make it just a flat on the entire area

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Just level up to increase damage and slow then?

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exactly keeping it simple

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Because what you said about the pancake and pushing away is a bit counter to doing damage/ your immense density drags people into your exposed core

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so if you're using the actual amount you would turn yourself and everything around you into an atomic pancake and potentially generating a black hole on yourself instantly killing you

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And everything around you but that's even more anti climatic than a power word kill

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yeah.... lets not do that

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So at a more enjoyable level slow drag with a check?

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yes now you're thinking like a DM

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Yeah that's what I was thinking with the drag in

Imploding doesn't sound very pleasant

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suddenly going from slowing to pulling feels really weird

I would just go with the pushing

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The slow was always supposed to be when leaving from you but I never implemented that mechanically

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I would have it the opposite as you approach it becomes harder to move towards you

Are you planning to remove references to healing?

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Is there a clean way to make it hard to leave? As I do desire that more. Alternatively, even though this sounds jank beyond x it's a slow approaching and closer than x it's a slow leaving?

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it would be interesting but we would want it to be one way the first time. like it's fine to move in but moving out you have slow and high levels did actually pulls you in. but I think with how it has it having it push is much more interesting

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there is a third option just moving around your presence slows creatures

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Maybe attach pulling in to core overclock?

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you could have pulling as a specific feature where you invert the energy and start pulling energy into yourself

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Yeah the more I talk and spit ball the more just slowing sounds better

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so at 9th level every creature within 20 ft of you has their movement speed reduced by 10 ft

I would say we could move the range increase to level 5 or we could move the 9 level to something closer to like 7

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What level should I move the healing to?

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i would remove it

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I'd honestly prefer if I didn't

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Remember currently it is set up to have infinite self heal that is actually overpowered

and the class has a self heal

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Should I restrict it to usage per initiative?

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per initiative?
dear got that is toooooo much healing

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I'm trying to give the subs trickle in combat healing

I don't want it to be too significant but I do want it present

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as an action your energy begins flowing in to your self for con mod rounds you gain hp ath the start of your turn
you can use this profincy times per long rest

if you want healing ther you go

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That works for me

Thanks

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replace 5th

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Should this be restricted to some open shielding or is it fine

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so below 9th you only have 1

Regenerative heat

would you like me to type it out?

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Should I or should I not tie this to the amount of layers you have active?

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no, at this level you only have 1

9th you will have 2

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2d6 con mod times is 1/6 hp at level 20

That's honestly not what I was expecting

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yes, but that is a lot of healing, more than a cleric is cabable of for the samae amout of duration

if oyu have 5 con

max healing is 60 over 30 rounds

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30 rounds?

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5*profincy 6

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Oh

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5 rounds 6 times

vs 35 average after 5 rounds

or 209 after 30 rounds

do you see why flat healing is better?

well more balanced

I actually use a very similar feature

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Con mod con mod duration prof bonus times is 150 if you use it all and that's ~half hp

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5*5 25 hp

You want this to keep you alive if you are down not out heal the cleric

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This is actually the only sub where I'm a bit concerned about dying and I'm not sure how I feel about that

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That's why I give next to no healing to allies

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im talking about the claric healing you

If you can keep yourself alive more than the cleric why are they ever going to buff you

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I was trying to make you able to work aside the cleric to keep people alive and not be another body for them to keep track of

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this will do that, when you drop to 0HP instead of making a death save next round you are stabilized automatically

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mmo habits leaking

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yes

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There's not built in way right now to get back up to half health or so right?

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so lets rewright 9th level feature

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not in raw, in the middle of combat

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As you'll see later I did a better interpretation of trickle in healing

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The aura slow?

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Increasing damage increasing range adding the slow, and 2nd barrer

enhanced background

The range of your background radiation increases by 10 feet

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It's getting changed to a flat slow now right?

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yup im thinking 5 at this and 10later

also remove the green area

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Can we do 10 now 15 later?

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type it out. the slow from Contact Asymptote increases by 5 ft

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sure

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Would making them unable to use the dash action be too much?

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prob

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Core overclocking with the pull in a better place?

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hmmm

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Are we putting this damage back in elsewhere?

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yes look

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Still a big drop and the damage didn't seem particularly high in the first place

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rember it applays almost each round

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Yes I do remember

Even with dropping the save too

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13th level we can do some interesting things with the barriers

example use your bounus action to burst it dealing large amount of damage to everything within your area but it can only be used a small number of times

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I want to shy away from giving this sub burst damage

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ok what would be interesting to use with the second shield

or is there a reason to have more shields? aside from lore

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Well I'm a bit concerned about this classes aoe damage now so perhaps something that does a cone attack

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or keep it with 1 shield

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Even ignoring lore there is no reason to have more than the 3 shields I described earlier

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exatly

id have 1

If the shield doesn't really do anything being able to do it unlimited time seems OK

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Reduces you mechanically which in this way I'm not against but the idea of you can do x with them open and y with them closed has been dropped

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It's basically the same as turning your aura on and off as a bonus action

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The significance dropped with the incentive to have them closed for anything anymore

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I'm beginning to understand and like the subclass

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3d8 at 5ft, 2d8 at 10 and 1d8 at 15-20 with a save for no damage taken got switched for 1d6 at 20ft and I'm conflicted on that

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It is so much simpler from a dm's perspective to do the damage per turn

Imagine if you take 1d6 damage then move and suddenly you're taking 3D6

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Right which is part of why I'm not outright against it especially with the relatively small range between more or less damage

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Having damage change as you get closer is not really a featuring a DND mechanic or spell

going from 1d6 to 2d8 is.... not a lot due to the level

Reducing your speed to zero seems a bit excessive I was just gonna give the features as a passive

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What part?

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drop speed to 0

If you describe the subclass with doing no movement from level 1 it makes sense to gain movement speed later instead of losing it later

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My idea behind losing speed is by planting yourself you can use the ground as a heatsink and turn up your reactor

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oooo ok now i under stand

So the increase in damage I'm cool with

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Is 3 or 4d8 better?

[last fog]

3

max damage'

[pallid scroll]

I really want to add something where you can steadily burn hp to make that a 5d8 or something but it's best I don't

[last fog]

Did we discuss that 15th level would be another improvement or are we going to make 17th level the final improvement?

[pallid scroll]

15th was going to be another improvement iirc

[last fog]

ok, do you remember how this was going to improve, your base aura damage becomes a d8

[pallid scroll]

4d6 cone attack? I don't know what stipulations to attach though

[last fog]

with in 30 ft

[last fog]

bit weird to add now

[pallid scroll]

Those both seems fine

[last fog]

If you're doing other effects with your aura earlier it would make sense

17th level is when you can add the cone

Something like gamma ray burst

[pallid scroll]

Yeah meant for this as a new attack

[last fog]

cool

id keep the 4 hp

[pallid scroll]

Would it be fine to give the sentinel extra max hp or something? Just like 30 or something

You'd have 204 hp if you just took averages for your hit die

[last fog]

1 HP max additionally for every level of fighter you have

so you gain 20extra hp

[pallid scroll]

Should I attach a half damage save to this cone attack?

And does regenerative catalyst need to be 3x level compared to lay on hands at 5x?

[last fog]

half

Would you like it to do a little bit of healing to the party

[pallid scroll]

Yes I think the sentinel can have it

[last fog]

i would keep it at 30

max

It's just enough that you can pat the cleric on the back say well done and give them some healing

[pallid scroll]

Keep what at 30 max

[last fog]

Regenerative catalyst didn't we went back to be the last aura increase

[pallid scroll]

Regenerative catalyst is lay on hands in a different body

We have not touched on this at all as far as I am aware

[last fog]

then leave the aura

I actually really like the subclass

[pallid scroll]

That's good

I wonder what you'll think of the next sub

[last fog]

so 8 suclass feature, and not all of them are very powerful

Dear God I think this subclass might just need to be cleared and restarted

Wait a minute this class has more subclass levels then any base subclass

[pallid scroll]

The yellow I'm thinking of scrapping and green might need to be renovated

[last fog]

3, 5, 9, 13, 15, 17

6 sub class features'

I would either remove a level or combine two of them

[pallid scroll]

Well I'm considering out right dropping the level 5

[last fog]

What about removing fifth level so you have 3 9 13 15 17

adding healing to 9th?

[pallid scroll]

Pat on the back for cleric or someone or becoming a blood bag for a barb or someone fighting next to you

[last fog]

Do you plan to remove regenerative healing

love it now

Could you try reducing the margins

[pallid scroll]

Well it's partly the bullet points reducing it

[last fog]

there

[pallid scroll]

Oh thanks

[last fog]

Now you see why my documents have a absolutely tiny border

[pallid scroll]

I can't tell if I'm surprised by how much space all the stuff related to your dominator take up

[last fog]

Now you see what I mean by too many features, it has feature bloat

[last fog]

2 pages

lets skip to the time one

[pallid scroll]

The slight issue of porting a whole class mechanic to a sub

[pallid scroll]

Uh

[last fog]

Make the inquisitor its own class

[last fog]

look at the time subclass
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x_1f1uHWZqWGe6_icsZqNNbHF6ve27jbgNX34rnFTPA/edit?usp=sharing

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I'll probably just cut out some features like indomitable might

Make stalwart avatar a class thing

[last fog]

@pallid scrolli have done time baseed sub classes. look at the doc

[pallid scroll]

I take it you lack any approval for its current state?

[last fog]

Let me take a look over it and I'll tell you what features I like and which ones I don't

[pallid scroll]

The wordings are still not the best

[last fog]

1 word salad, that goes for all of the feature so i wont bring that up again

[pallid scroll]

Ok very different idea I'm getting

[last fog]

Fate’s Chorus: interesting i kina like it,

[pallid scroll]

Imo chronomancer is most comparable to cleric

[last fog]

none have levels alined to them

[pallid scroll]

Vs the inquistor being closest to barb

[last fog]

The amount of abilities is OK too much word salad

[last fog]

its a class....

[pallid scroll]

Last bullet point of all abilities on it

[last fog]

That should be the first feature you see

[pallid scroll]

I should probably stop with comparing my subs to classes

[last fog]

It's a very bad idea

so the idea is you manipulate time to assist your party

[pallid scroll]

Definitely does not share the right idea

[last fog]

I would highly recommend clearing out what you have written for chronomancer and we can come up with new abilities as we go down it needs some fresh ideas and less word salad

[pallid scroll]

I would much rather give you a tldr of abilities and re word them

[last fog]

I would like you to type at level 1 xyz
at level 3: xyz
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.

[last fog]

do that

[pallid scroll]

Do you get the Grand Clock or is that word salad?

[last fog]

It's actually a whole lot of nothing burger

you have class features being referenced

[last fog]

My man with how you have it worded and written it's pretty hard to recover it

and the abilities are turbo over powered

@pallid scroll That ability is the most broken I've ever seen

This subclass is a lot of word solid
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but i want to make it 500% better

[pallid scroll]

Would you believe me if I said it used to be worse?

[last fog]

yes

[pallid scroll]

Fair enough

[last fog]

my class used to deal d20 of damage for the sub class

I mean that lasted all of 3 seconds

[pallid scroll]

Did you ever see an earlier version of inquistors rapture? It was 25% chance to explode d20's and did so recursively if the dice blessed you

[last fog]

dear Vishnu

[pallid scroll]

Inquistor in general was much stronger

[last fog]

I could have plenty of creative ideas for time manipulation please for all that is loving and holy clear it so we could do it better

[pallid scroll]

Want me to cut out fluff?

There's a lot of it in chronomancer's text

[last fog]

If we clear it I can make this more balanced and a whole lot more fun

keep the names

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I strongly recommend starting with just the names and redoing the abilities

[pallid scroll]

I, at the least, want to trim safe guard and chronostring to just the mechanics

[last fog]

Chrono string actually looks OK

Basically a time bow

[pallid scroll]

Safeguard is just a stronger sanctuary spell

That is the most tldr it gets

[last fog]

Then just let them cast sanctuary that one can stay then because it's literally already existing

Actually that's so much better than sanctuary but keep it as is

for precognitive counter
take insperation form

Third form: Time Rush
At 7th level as a reaction, when you are hit by an attack or targeted by a save effect you can use 3 breath points to phase out of time during that attack, and return to the space where you were before you phased out of time unaffected. for saves if you pass you take no damage, and on a fail you take half damage.

[pallid scroll]

This should be your more heavily combat utility subclass

[last fog]

yeah

Rather than the passive effects of the previous this one gets up close in your business

@pallid scroll Can you explain what chrono string is trying to do?

[pallid scroll]

You can either make a 1d8 5ft aoe attack every turn or hold to add 1d8 per turn you hold it, making it a concentration thing if you do so

[last fog]

aoe with concentration

[pallid scroll]

I meant concentration to keep charging

[last fog]

Time based looping attack

[pallid scroll]

Like if you get hit hard enough concentration check time

[last fog]

What about inability where you hit someone and you start concentration next round you attack them again for free with the attack from the previous and this goes on for a number of rounds

The save DC increasing overtime

[pallid scroll]

Free damage if you keep making the save?

[last fog]

if they fail, if you do this you won't be able to make a normal attack

At most it would be 6 iterations scaling up to 6d6 or something

[pallid scroll]

Could you add it in? I don't quite grasp what you are trying to communicate

[last fog]

You make a ranged attack against them it doesn't matter if you hit or not this starts up the chain. Let's say it does 1D8 + con
Next round they must pass your DC or take 2D8 plus con.
2nd round dc increses by 1, damage 3d8
the attacks keep going whil holding concentration for proficiency mod rounds
max dc inccrese +3 max

so 6d6+con dc +3 dex save

at max

[pallid scroll]

So it gets harder for them to save right?

[last fog]

yup

[pallid scroll]

I like it

[last fog]

And the total number of attacks for this effect cannot be more than your proficiency mod

range 60/130

[pallid scroll]

Should I just say it hits if it's a religion check against your AC + religion bonus which you should have proficiency in

[last fog]

I think it should be a dexterity save

As you are trying to physically get out of the way of an arrow moving through time

so the first attack is a save on there part

[pallid scroll]

I don't think you should be able to "simply" get out of the way of an arrow made of condensed divine energy shot by someone who knows everything that will happen to you in the next year

[last fog]

Yes but mechanically it should be dexterity

[pallid scroll]

Let me finish on this then I'll write up the new bow

[last fog]

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[pallid scroll]

Do I need to add anything more to Angelic presence?

[last fog]

remove it

Time stop is already incredibly powerful

[pallid scroll]

[last fog]

How would you like it if an entire group of adventurers stopped time and the rest of them started punching you in the face while one of them did nothing

[pallid scroll]

Can I switch the clock to have angelic presence's effect? I like it more

[pallid scroll]

I'm not going to like fighting any adventurers

[last fog]

105 temp health

That is stronger than a monk ability and time stop combined

[last fog]

Angelic presence is too powerful to be on a subclass like this

[pallid scroll]

what do you mean like this

[last fog]

That is more temporary hit points than I have ever given out for any mechanical reason

The absolute most is twice your level

[pallid scroll]

Oh I thought you meant like this refer to the state of the subclass not of the ability

[last fog]

Just the ability

[pallid scroll]

I'll just put this away for tinkering elsewhere at a later time

[last fog]

I've actually given out more temporary hit points however it did not gain any massive damage increase just longevity

[last fog]

That is probably quite nice for a 20th level ability you get to use once a day

[pallid scroll]

Is the damage buff fine?

[last fog]

post it here real quick

[pallid scroll]

Angelic Presence -
At 17th level, once per long rest you can show your true state as an avatar of the heavens taking on an angelic form. This form grants the following benefits. You are healed to max health and gain an amount of temporary health equal to twice your [class] level,however you are unable to attack. You emit a 30-foot aura that restores 6d12 health per turn to an affected creature. This aura will also revive the deceased if they died within the last 30 minutes. Additionally, you emit a 20-foot aura that adds 1d10+ your CON modifier to the attacks of affected creatures for the duration

[last fog]

seeing as a 20th level feature

[last fog]

healing is extreme

[pallid scroll]

I'll be upfront I designed it as a level 20 "capstone" for a large adventuring party

ie ~12-16

[last fog]

if you are the main healer, ok

how long will it last?

[pallid scroll]

I should write in how it'll trigger automatically if you are killed

[last fog]

100%

[pallid scroll]

Yeah that's how I got the initial state of the chronomancer

It was 100% designed to try and sustain a party that large basically on its own

[last fog]

how long will it last?

[pallid scroll]

Until temp hp runs out

[last fog]

where is the temp hp

Anyway remove it from the main document it should not belong on a subclass

[pallid scroll]

In this it's right after saying you are healed to full and its twice class level

[pallid scroll]

Yeah this goes somewhere else

[last fog]

I would probably add the ability for a grand clock of the face to let one other person persist in your time stop

You stopped high but then the barbarian continues attacking for like 4 rounds

[pallid scroll]

It was just any number creatures of your choosing you can except from the clocks stop

[last fog]

needs a max amount

[pallid scroll]

Right now it's two but I'm changing that back since it seems you didn't notice and I misunderstood

[last fog]

i see it

As long as you don't cast any features that deal damage your allies can rack up some nice damage

[pallid scroll]

You can probably get in some decent damage yourself

[last fog]

no

The caster of timestop cannot damage other creatures

i would keep it that way

@pallid scroll Next we're going to chrono string which is going to be a 15th level ability

[last fog]

I don't think you're quite understanding how the attack works

You don't attack them again the attack automatically continues attacking them

both do the same thing but slightly different

i like both

[pallid scroll]

Just looking at it I think the anchored shots are better for one mobs or just potshots basically

I much preferred when it wasn't capped how many d8 you could add since you could only get so many before being interrupted but I guess this is fine

[last fog]

Set up 3 anchorage shots on three separate targets

[last fog]

It will continually get stronger for completely free

[pallid scroll]

2 anchored and a condensed

[last fog]

Exactly, set up consistent damage on the boss, and dealing some nice AOE damage

[pallid scroll]

That was intentional due to someone would probably need health really soon

But that's me still thinking massive group

[last fog]

If you reduce the damage for condensing arrows and increase the area you can do it as more crowd control

[pallid scroll]

I think a really early version was d4s per turn and at base but 30ft radius and they increased a bit with level

[last fog]

Potentially

[pallid scroll]

I think like 3d4 at 20

[last fog]

I do think precognitive strike should be a reaction ability allowing you to take little damage

[pallid scroll]

I was just going to make it haha pass warden dc first before AC

[last fog]

Think about spells as well as attacks

[pallid scroll]

But you have 17 + dex mod AC

[last fog]

17?

[pallid scroll]

Because of asi you can probably get 21 if you roll well enough

[pallid scroll]

10 + con + dex is your naked ac calc

[last fog]

10+5+5= 20

at max

[pallid scroll]

And you get the barb(?) +4 con and str at 20

[last fog]

this is not a barb sub class

[pallid scroll]

Ah yes primal champion

[last fog]

I believe giving this class increase in str' and con is too much

[pallid scroll]

Is it not fitting for the class?

Plus you can't even get any higher than that

[last fog]

Think about the subclass features and how much broken they would be if they had those

[last fog]

With very specific magic items you can get infinite stats but you should not think about those when making a class

[pallid scroll]

You wear a shield and there goes all your class and sub class features

[last fog]

How do you lose your subclass features from using a shield?

[pallid scroll]

You're a heretic if you need armor or a shield to feel safe

[last fog]

Just stat for the unarmored defense you can't use a shield

[pallid scroll]

It does

[last fog]

How it is written you only lose your class features while wearing a shield not AC well technically

[pallid scroll]

It probably got lost in one of the rewrites thanks

[last fog]

Are you really sure you want them to lose all of their class abilities if they pick up a shield

They can't even use their unarmed defense if they have a shield

[pallid scroll]

The abilities are weaker and none no longer use AC so it's fine now

For context the main stuff was on the inquistor as a "why are you hitting yourself"

[last fog]

yeah

@pallid scrollnight for the day

[pallid scroll]

Night, I'll see what state the last sub is in when I get up

[last fog]

morn, im in a game then later ill be at the dentist so nothing really after that

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i would move 13-15

[pallid scroll]

I'm up now

[last fog]

morning

[pallid scroll]

Got to love waking up 10 minutes before 3pm

[last fog]

damn

I would definitely recommend keeping total number of subclass levels to five

[pallid scroll]

Ok I just highlighted 4 features what levels should they go to each?

[last fog]

first off a lot of The Inquisitor should probably just be moved to its own class. second you have about the same amount of class features as a class

but I'll take a look

[pallid scroll]

Some of these can probably just be removed

[last fog]

the resistance

[pallid scroll]

For example relentless domination

Do I need to make it where it ends early if you don't attack or get hit?

Because if I can drop that it also drops some other features

[last fog]

you also get a very similar feature with the Base class remember

if it is a class feature already remove it

[pallid scroll]

Should I just cut out this part right here

[last fog]

prob, but we are also not done with the time subclass

@pallid scroll The inquisitor is doing far too much

Somehow this document is harder to read than anything else you've created

[pallid scroll]

Why can't haemopoiesis stay?

[last fog]

I'm just trying to clear out the amount of features you have

[pallid scroll]

Funny considering it's the one that uses the most official wording

[last fog]

You could copy and paste this onto a document and it would be a class all by itself

Changing the levels things are out won't do anything because you have like 15 features

[pallid scroll]

6 now

[last fog]

noooooo

at my count 13 or 11

[pallid scroll]

Oh those count separately

[last fog]

useing a d20 counts as 3

It doesn't even matter what you're using it for

[pallid scroll]

That ability needs a restriction on usage but I never got to that

[last fog]

200 damage on max twice any other class feature and spells of the same level

I'm incorrect it's probably almost triple that

Remember how I was talking about the free attack up to 3 feature being beyond overpowered

[pallid scroll]

Max damage on rapture is theoretically infinite but in practice it averages to 180 at level 20

[last fog]

the monk features deals 55 on average

[last fog]

over twice

[pallid scroll]

And how much can monk use that

[last fog]

sub class deals at max 10d10

[pallid scroll]

If I bring it down to 8d20 starting off the average drops to somewhere in the high 90's it looks like

Is 60's better? It does put it slightly higher than monks features

[last fog]

no d20 for class use, it is never used in any official content ever

[last fog]

is that just free every single punch

[pallid scroll]

No

This for rapture

[last fog]

latest for?

[pallid scroll]

I also put a limit on of twice per long rest

[last fog]

and no save?

[pallid scroll]

There's a save that makes you eligible for the attack in the first place

[last fog]

p the whole features of that subclass are ridiculous and excessive I'm going to the dentist right now

it would fit better as a class by itself

the other two were salvageable this one not so much

[pallid scroll]

If chronomancer was salvageable why not this one? It's unironically more sane ignoring rapture

[last fog]

@pallid scroll brake it down, what is the idea for the subclass

[last fog]

I can work with time based abilities

[pallid scroll]

Punch and make them attack you

Brand them to command obedience

[last fog]

dear God you went hard, just give it monk unarmed strikes.

command obedience is not quite a feature intended for dnd

[pallid scroll]

Read attack me or get hurt

[last fog]

you can be an Inquisitor paladin, and it be flavored

[last fog]

so barb

monk

fighter

all class except warlock

I would take this and make a class

rapture is an attack, that deals like 15-20 d20, slows them, and you heal

[pallid scroll]

I was initially tempted to make it level 20 class features

[last fog]

you are referring to features that don't exist

I'm doing dentist stuff we'll talk later

[pallid scroll]

Cya

[last fog]

@pallid scrollafter noon

[pallid scroll]

[pallid scroll]

What's a more sane idea to develop for fates chorus

[last fog]

so you want to do some healing?

or a little more?

[pallid scroll]

I want you to be able to use it for healing or damage

[last fog]

i think when you hear the idea i have youll realy like it

you can touch a friendly and revert anything that happened to it back one round.

example if a creature usees there movment you can undo that. if a creature takes damage you can revert it to be for it took the damage. this dose not recover class resourses like spells and ki

[pallid scroll]

Hmm

[last fog]

at level 1 once per long rest

what do you think?

[pallid scroll]

I'm a bit conflicted actually

[last fog]

oh?

[pallid scroll]

While it is thematically appropriate and fits the class it's not quite what I'm looking for

However I do want to put in that reversion somewhere

[last fog]

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[last fog]

9th level?

[pallid scroll]

I didn't even say anything 😭

[last fog]

I'm guilty myself of having too many subclass levels

[pallid scroll]

Sometimes I think a better product could be made following a different leveling

[last fog]

yeah. but 6subclasses is a far bit

[pallid scroll]

Not inherently especially if you make a rather flexible and pretty hollow class and take different interpretations of the same idea for subs

[last fog]

so add 13th level so 6 features?

i can vibe with that

[pallid scroll]

Is the 13th where you think it should go?

[last fog]

def

It is an incredibly strong ability I would actually limit it to maximum of three usages per day if you could

[pallid scroll]

It's incredibly strong?

[last fog]

Depending on what you can revert
Imagine a cleric regaining a concentration cell

action surge

a boss being effected by a spell

[pallid scroll]

Ah okay

[last fog]

Regaining a feature on initiative is incredibly powerful

[pallid scroll]

Is there a better way you get to use something once per battle?

[last fog]

3 times per long rest

it is rare to have mor than 3 combat encounters per day, and if you do you have used your trump card early or right when it was needed

If you make it only allies you can't mess with the enemy

I would recommend giving it a maximum range of 30 feet

[pallid scroll]

How much damage is resonable for it

[last fog]

damage?

[pallid scroll]

That's exactly why I put and allies in there

[last fog]

ok
I would recommend one friendly creature other than yourself within 30 feet

[pallid scroll]

Yes

[last fog]

Are you referring about this ability dealing damage?

[pallid scroll]

Yes

[last fog]

I would not do that

This subclass is going to have a lot of abilities that deal damage and assist the party

Temporal Safeguard is a pure buff

i do think fate chorus should deal damage

[pallid scroll]

As do I

[last fog]

so you have
damage
buff
damage
buff
damage
buff

[pallid scroll]

True it should heal slightly instead

[last fog]

Imagine completely reverting a character at one hit point to practically Max health depending on what their HP was at the start of the previous turn

it heals are strong

[pallid scroll]

I'm a bit hesitant to actually put in more damage to this sub besides whatever fates chorus is going to do

[last fog]

ok i understannd

[pallid scroll]

If you get one shot or nearly so then absolutely

[last fog]

now you're starting to understand

Your ally was dead but now they are just as they were a round ago

[pallid scroll]

Can you tell my intentions behind the division of capabilities among the subs

[last fog]

yes, the radiant one and the time 1

harder with the inquisition

https://tenor.com/view/spanish-inquisition-gif-20076214

[pallid scroll]

That's actually where I wanted them all to be

These other two are less developed

[last fog]

I would say the other two are perfectly developed

you are making a sub class

[pallid scroll]

I intentionally left it as vague as possible to leave it up to how specific you can be with one aspect and your DM

[last fog]

People will try to recover entire class features I would give a list of things they can't do at least

like class resourses, spells, class features,

[pallid scroll]

You should be able to recover one usage of a class feature at most

Even if you get to use multiple in a turn

[last fog]

action surge

[pallid scroll]

One usage of your action surge should be restored if they used it on their last turn and caster chooses it

[last fog]

i would def like to see other people's reaction to the future

for now it is ok

[pallid scroll]

Should I ping ovion to see what they have to say?

[last fog]

go for it

[pallid scroll]

@dire schooner I want your opinion

What do I want to put together for your main supportive ability

[last fog]

at level 1?

[last fog]

level 1 or 13th?

[pallid scroll]

Level 1 but either scaled directly with level in someway or just gets enhanced

This is for fates choru

[last fog]

i think it would deal a litle bit of damage

when you hit a creature it must make a con save, taking your profincy mod of damage, like fury of the small

[pallid scroll]

I almost want to give you a small selection of effects

Or even do something like this one spell I don't remember where it's basically the same as what I just said but also write "you can do something of similar effect instead of any of these at your dms discretion"

[last fog]

rember K.I.S.S.

keep
it
simple
stupid

[pallid scroll]

Can't say I've heard of that

Oh

[last fog]

Not trying to be rude that's just the name of the acronym

[pallid scroll]

Something like this is what I'm thinking

But I doubt these current effects should all be level one

[last fog]

yeah

[pallid scroll]

Do you have any idea what spell I'm thinking of that out right state you can pick a different effect for the spell if dm allows

[last fog]

wish

9th level spell

you get acces to at 18th level

[pallid scroll]

I could've sworn there was a much lower level one that said something to the same effect

[last fog]

im a ask

[pallid scroll]

Can I add a level one option of reducing the next damage on an ally by con mod? Or should that be a bit higher level?

[last fog]

Being able to use your reaction to reduce damage of a friendly creature within 30 feet is a much better second ability

place it at 13

so 3 features, 1, 13, 17

[pallid scroll]

Is it good that I limited the crit expansion

Are the usages fine?

[last fog]

Put your next credit to be at an 18 or 19 is really good if you are not a class that gets access to that feature

Potentially having it last a duration and once used it goes away

Like it will last until you roll a crit, with a max duration of 1 min

In that case I would leave it at 3 maximum

[pallid scroll]

Should I instead change it so that the limit is per creature?

[last fog]

Once per creature once for long rest?

[pallid scroll]

I was thinking of changing to twice per creature for a long rest

[last fog]

hmm remember if you only have three usages of it at Max...

It would probably fit better as a buff you apply at the beginning of combat

[pallid scroll]

Hence my request to change it to be a limit of how much one creature can benefit

[last fog]

so you would have a max of 6 if normal. and if you have a party of 4 you would have 2 spare useages if you apply it to every one

[pallid scroll]

Yeah I guess just increasing the limit to prof bonus does nearly the same thing

[last fog]

I would still limit it potentially to once for a long rest per person

@pallid scroll Did you remove where I said at level 1 select one of the following features?

Because if you don't have that it is implied you get access to all three of these simultaneously

[pallid scroll]

Yes I did, I believe you should be able to freely pick which one you're going to use

[last fog]

I would give them all one resource pool then

@pallid scrollim a be sleeping

[pallid scroll]

See you then

I'm either going to write up something for the counter or go eat

[last fog]

Post it here before adding it to the class

[pallid scroll]

Well I'm awake again and realized my idea probably isn't the best idea if I want to stay balanced

[last fog]

you are developing

[pallid scroll]

Are you familiar with mirror coat from Pokémon

[last fog]

no

[pallid scroll]

It's a move that deals double the damage you take

[last fog]

nope, unless it is either a once a day or extreme resource cost

[pallid scroll]

Wait how does it end up on that level of no

[last fog]

imagine something like power word kill, or meteor storm. or a boss that does like 30 base damage

if those get doubled and then return back.....

[last fog]

what was the original idea let's see how bad it was

which subclass is this for

[pallid scroll]

Chronomancer counter

[pallid scroll]

The "double it and pass it to the next person"

[last fog]

what level is this to be for

because something with time doubling it and returning it back doesn't quite feel timey enough

[pallid scroll]

The mental concept behind it is more so "haha made you hit yourself" although I keep changing my mind on how exactly that happens in universe

[last fog]

I think the idea is a bit much

what level would this have been for

[pallid scroll]

What makes it too much?

[pallid scroll]

I didn't think that far into it

[last fog]

the idea that you return damage to a creature is okay but it is the doubling aspect

[pallid scroll]

Hmm

[last fog]

imagine if the pilot and got off an amazing strike dealing like a hundred damage and then that was instantly countered and sent back to the paladin

[pallid scroll]

That would mean you're being attacked by the paladin

[last fog]

I'm not I'm looking outside of this class like imagine if the bbeg did that

how would you feel

[pallid scroll]

Oh

[pallid scroll]

Honestly fine

[last fog]

but then imagine if it would doubled

and that like 100 damage became closer to 300

[pallid scroll]

Still fine but now only mentally

[last fog]

that would one shot almost every creature in d&d regardless of what level you get this

if you could do the opposite however redirect half the damage to a hostile creature within like 30 ft

let me first look at the subclass to see if there is an opening for an ability like this in terms of power scanning

[pallid scroll]

I see

[last fog]

so let's say something good like 50 damage to you and you dealt 25 to another creature on a limited amount of usages that would be kind of interesting not for levels under eight

[pallid scroll]

Reaction prof bonus times?

[last fog]

@pallid scroll For the first level ability I would honestly have it used the same resource pool

[last fog]

at the 9th level sure

[pallid scroll]

I was tempted but I honestly don't think all of those should have the same usage limit

[last fog]

I would then have it be select one of them at like the end of a short or long rest

because having access to all of them simultaneously is a bit powerful

[pallid scroll]

I'll reconsider it after "finishing" the other abilities planned but as is the chronomancer is the hollow one to me

[pallid scroll]

Any of you guys in here think I could combine a few of the divine inquistors features?

[last fog]

why do you feel that?

[pallid scroll]

The answer I can type out best is I don't like the way that ability could be used if you only have one option for it even if you can change it out during a rest

[last fog]

you dont like to have limits on abilitys am i wrong

[pallid scroll]

No you're just right to an extent

[last fog]

look at all the low level abilities in DND how many of them are at no cost

[pallid scroll]

Only some of the cantrips right?

[last fog]

only cantrips

multi attack dosent count

[pallid scroll]

I'm not talking about that

I thought some cantrips had a resource cost

[last fog]

materials don't count in this case

[pallid scroll]

Precongnitive counter may need a rename

Beginning at level 9, you can temporarily increase the AC of a number of creatures equal to your proficiency bonus but you cannot target yourself. This increase is equal to half your proficiency bonus and each creature gets this benefit for a number of turns equal to your Consistution modifier.

[pallid scroll]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tV7aBgGZeKuNn-Y-XxKYicOQ8bEa-a6eI9PnywqyTzY/edit?usp=sharing

[last fog]

reactive shift

[pallid scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-take-it-gif-11482798

[limber phoenix]

Why does the class have this feature?

Stone Cunning:
Whenever you make an Intelligence (History) check related to the origin of stonework, you are considered proficient in the History skill and add double your proficiency bonus to the check, instead of your normal proficiency bonus.

[pallid scroll]

Tldr is you kinda end up made of stone being a warden

[limber phoenix]

I see that in the 20th feature, its just the only stone related features are the 1st level and 20th. Just feels weird, since the class background looks to be cleric-y/religion and based on Jizo Bosatsu, but looking at it just doesn't match as much. I can understand the stone possibly, bc stone buddah statues. But why history and not Religion? Can still relate to it but personally this still feels like a weird placement.

Stones Durability should also be Strength and Constitution not dex, since this fits more with the increase of strength and constitution at later levels. Given it goes from 22 to 24 at max but still fits more thematically and with the other features

Also 9 sets of features is ALOT for just the base class

[pallid scroll]

It was originally a lot more stone based so I'll admit it makes less sense now especially if the main reasoning for it staying is just lore and nothing mechanical

[pallid scroll]

I might change stones durability, 24 AC is probably fine

[limber phoenix]

Given, do you want this for your own world or to be used in anyones? Cuz you can make it a more clericy protection based. Rewording things for most won’t be a big issue

[pallid scroll]

I do want other people to be able to use this class

[limber phoenix]

Don’t forget that’s also at Max con and dex for the 22 and con and str for 24 at level 20

[pallid scroll]

Which is why I stopped referring to Jizo bosatsu by name in the features

[limber phoenix]

Ah okay, yeah makes sense, I wanted to comment on these before subclass stuff since the base class does a lot already

[pallid scroll]

The subclasses had a lot more power individually and were much more defining to your playstyle but I do guess it's better this way having consistent abilities between subs and just not similar methodology

[pallid scroll]

Wait hold on a second, how'd you get Jizo Bosatsu out of this

[pallid scroll]

Oh damn it

[limber phoenix]

hehe

missed a spot lol

Also

Searing prayer is def a feature I can see being on radiant subclass

[pallid scroll]

I don't think I'm doing the best in showing the idea that this is in fact a divine class

[pallid scroll]

all of the damage is radiant

[limber phoenix]

It can use some work, but I think getting features set before adding flavor is the best thing.

flavor is easier to add later

[pallid scroll]

True

[limber phoenix]

What I would change @pallid scroll :

Stone’s Durability to use 10 + Str mod + Con mod - no armor is good, maybe change shields or have a subclass based around shields later maybe

Protective Casting - Good 10 + Con mod at level 1 (realistically 11-15 DC) - and at level 20 is 21 DC (+7 con mod since score of 24 max so assuming max)

Stone Cunning - Make it a feature that gives Religion expertise or maybe just prof and adv on Religion checks

Painbearer - Good idea for feature - need to reword 100% to clarify things (can be done when the idea is decided upon) - Maybe word it that if one of the chosen targets gets hit by attacks or a spell, you take the damage. This can last till you can take another reaction (which happens at the start of your next turn). That way it lasts for a bit longer.
-Would also consider an upgrade that maybe you take half damage from these attacks at a higher level
-Also similar to Oath of Redemption - Rebuke the Violent channel divinity feature

Searing prayer - make this part of the Radiant subclass - fits more there

Divine Endurance - I am not sure how I feel about this since this is very similar to the Barb subclass feature: (RBD) Rage beyond Death - that you get at 14th level. - As a 7th level feature I am not sure about how strong this is as it feels stronger in some ways that RBD, since you dont need to make any saves. But also weaker since for 1 min, even if you fail death saves you cant die as a Zealot barb, so def a trade off. - Look into more

Stable body - (Name change could be Immovable Fortress) - This is decent - move to 5th level if wanted

Travertine Repair (Travertine is a type of calcareous that is lightly colored, so might want to change since not based on rocks anymore) - gaining anywhere from roughly ~23%(level 13) to 15%(level 20) - not bad for a SR/LR CD and a BA, gives you a use for it

[pallid scroll]

I might go with expertise for religion checks

What subclass are you referring too?

[limber phoenix]

The radiant one - Ignis Sanctus, the Radiant

[pallid scroll]

Oh I misunderstood completely

[pallid scroll]

Renaming to terminus refering to the god

[limber phoenix]

Which feature? can you list which one you are talking about too sorry I sent it all in one msg

[pallid scroll]

Travertine repair

[limber phoenix]

ah okay

Sworn Oath: Gaining 7d4-10d4 (MAX THP: 28-40)temp hp is a lot, especially when its for 5-6 creatures and they gain back 2d4-3d4(MAX THP: 8-12) every time they are hit. Seems strong for team and going to nuke your hp very fast, even if you use the repair feature. Not sure would need play testing but would need to fidle with thoes numbers a lot

Fate’s Ward: for 18th level isnt bad at all, might be strong, but love the limit of once per creature per long rest, but might also make it be only useable x times also

Heavenly Bulwark: The stat increase is good, for STR I think this is a non issue for past 20, Con is a tad strong for most but nice for this class. Being able to use Divine Endurance 3/LR is weird as I feel this needs some testing and tweaks rn anyway to make it not feel strong

Thats what I have for all the features

[pallid scroll]

I'm trying to put a bit more self healing in the subclasses

I am designing to have this whole class basically be solo defensive support for ~5 other players

Which tbh probably makes my life harder

Sworn oath shouldn't ever really pose an issue unless several people get hit with aoe damage for several rounds

[pallid scroll]

Have you looked into the subclasses at all?

[limber phoenix]

Honestly, I think that is the best way to go about this

[pallid scroll]

I need to get the subs playtested in a group of like 5 or 6 at some point but I'll try to figure that out after I finish the new two subs

[limber phoenix]

partially, was focusing more on the base class, will do looking and thinking now

[limber phoenix]

Def not six, I would do 3-4 since it would be easier for playtesting, and depending on how you want to playtest

Maybe to 6 once, but prob not needed

[pallid scroll]

True I'll just take in mind to account for less players

[limber phoenix]

Mostly to make it easier to dm as 6 players is alot normally, and even more when you are trying to figure out combat with a new class and subclass

[pallid scroll]

98 HP per creature per long rest on soothing tenebris

[limber phoenix]

Umbra Dolus Subclass
Mendacium - would change distraction to shadow to fit more with subclass but good initial portion. Hp for it also isnt bad, ranges from 2-40 hp, would personally maybe make it a bit larger after X level, 1 turn blind also isnt bad either. Can also make it so you can use more than one at one time, since there is no CD for these. This helps feel stronger when not needing 10+ features, as then it becomes complicated. However I would change the cd for the sub ability to like 10 atleast, as a 25% chance to even try to hit would not be the best(Also need a statblock for the shadow you control, for easier use)

Caeli's Blindspot
Feature part 1: Not bad, half cover is nice +2 ac and dex saves is good. Would clarify if the shadows move with you or not, as if they do might be stronger, but a good later level feature.
Feature part 2: Not OP, adv on the Mendacium’s d20 roll is not bad but still need to change the DC as only a 25% chance of getting hit even before you confirm the hit with your attack role is very strong, for this level.

Soothing Tenebris
At level 9, you can cover 20 ft^2 per cube, with a max 180ft^2, this is way to strong I feel least for area coverage, Would def make it 5ft cubes at least, as that is the general standard, and make it only half your level. Even at level 9 this is still a 90ft^2(10ft^2 per cube) - the dmg is maybe a bit high to start, the healing is not partially bad as that is the amount of healing you get at max con modifier. If you have a +1, you only heal 2 hp, so while 49hp per use is a bit strong, It goes 2, 8, 18, 32, 50, 72, 98 each in terms of hp healed with both uses. Needs to be changed, maybe make a it a x size dice that increases with level

[pallid scroll]

Let me parse this

[pallid scroll]

Right now its a 70% to hit the shadow are you suggesting to change that?

[limber phoenix]

a six or higher means that 1-5 make the enemy hit you and 6-20 make it miss, that is 75% to miss, and 25% to hit

[pallid scroll]

Isn't it 10ft^2 per cube?

[limber phoenix]

Yes, especially since it means that they still have to pass 2 rolls technically to make one attack

10-foot cubes
I take this as each side is 10 ft

[pallid scroll]

What should be the chance of hitting you vs a shadow

[limber phoenix]

50/50, since they still need to roll to hit you after bc ac

[pallid scroll]

Not 10 to the 2, 10 to the 3rd

I changed it to 5ft cubes

[limber phoenix]

Yeah I get that, 10ft^3 is not correct either as that size is hard to use per scale

[pallid scroll]

Can you specify what you are thinking with the die for Tenebris? Bump it down 2 sizes then give them back over the next two features?

[limber phoenix]

as thats like ~~2.2ft long sides

Let me do some math for that one

[pallid scroll]

I want to just refer to it as squares but the game is 3d

[limber phoenix]

Make it 5ft sides, 25ft^3

I say use 5ft sides as everything is measured that way mostly

[pallid scroll]

I stole the cube wording from fire storm

[pallid scroll]

Is that not still written as 5ft^3

[limber phoenix]

no

Give me moment

brain fry

[pallid scroll]

25ft^3 should be a very different measurement than a 5ft cube