Faye's a bit of Everything

[idle meteor]

not without a bunch of work

open original and scroll xD

will have to wait for the book later this year 😉

[mystic sequoia]

Txs still

[mystic sequoia]

Do you have a rule of thumb on how much money x mission should pay?

I'd usually just eye money and values but I really like your silver standard idea

[idle meteor]

I pull it out my ass

most commoners I give 1d8 to 1d12 silver

otherwise I'll do something appropriate, or use loot tables

[mystic sequoia]

Are things cheaper with this system? It feels like it

[idle meteor]

you can just replace the gold number with silver and it's fine

so 10gp = 10sp

[mystic sequoia]

So, officicial dnd tables and just swap gold for silver? got it

[idle meteor]

some is, some isn't.
Cos it's "historically accurate", each thing is now "fixed", some is cheaper, some is more.
But in general, its about 1/3 for equivalent

so something 1gp in HSE, is roughly equal to 3 gold in GEC/GEp

(I am like... 90% or so sure thats right... I am phasing in and out right now xD)

[mystic sequoia]

Sleep deprived napkin math

I think I got the idea, thanks

[idle meteor]

my gold economy guns are actually crazy spensive at the end of the day

cos I just

change the s to a g

[mystic sequoia]

Is that accurate to how expensive guns were back then?

or could like, I just go buy one

[idle meteor]

so a 65sp firearm is a 65gp firearm, when arguably it should be ~20gp.
buuuuut 5e gold economy has guns spensive, so

[idle meteor]

so, yes

so like, a musket was ~68sp by around ~1510

it was... moderately regulated though

it was generally a military weapon, like crossbows, especially for muskets and such.
production was usually controlled by the crown, or nobles, so with their permission.
Nobles could usually get pistols and such without too much trouble, but still not especially common till at least the mid 1500s

[mystic sequoia]

So, not easy but not impossible to get your hands on a gun

I'll also use the gun table cuz I have a ranger that wants firearms

[idle meteor]

there's also just, ~68sp for a musket, or ~48sp for a pistol is the equivalent of ~$1100/£500 and ~$760/£350

[mystic sequoia]

And all I have is a 2d4 revolver

[mystic sequoia]

How do you calculate that? is it like straight up comparing prices?

[mystic sequoia]

Do you have a dollar/ pound system planned?

Where you convert everything to rl money

[idle meteor]

no, this was just for funsies

and doing 2 more economy tables on top sounds like I want to die

[mystic sequoia]

You already sound like that

How do you use this table?

so

[idle meteor]

I mean, OK, but... actually tho

[mystic sequoia]

1 gp is worth 169 usd in 2020¿

Am I reading that right?

[idle meteor]

I tend to use 2014, cos that's when 5e was released, so as a fixed point of relative value.
But yeah.
in 2020, it's be just under $170 for a gold piece (or just under £66)

[mystic sequoia]

There was an inflation period after 2014

[idle meteor]

mhm.
Though it doesn't just use inflation for bread value, though that'll affect it some

it's all about buying power

cos you can't do a straightforward currency convert based on currency value, so using "bread value" compares how much of a basic staple you always need, to compare relative buying powers

[mystic sequoia]

I'm surprised you included electrum, do you use it?

[idle meteor]

I do not xD
But, 5e does base, so I included it, and for this it was easy to include, just maffs

[mystic sequoia]

It just feels unnecessary, I'm guessing one of em stuff that was kept from older gens

[idle meteor]

yeah

[mystic sequoia]

Like a vestigial limb

[idle meteor]

technically, historically you did use electrum

buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut

[mystic sequoia]

Wait, its a real thing?

[idle meteor]

I mainly stick to copper/silver/gold/plat

yup

electrum is an alloy of gold, silver and other metals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrum

it was used in the early middle ages iirc

but it got phased out by the mid-middle ages, due to being inconsistent in makeup, and purity was favoured more

[humble notch]

Coin-Math was very much a older-edition thing ultimately. Probably one of the least offensive older efdition things

[mystic sequoia]

third millenium bc is like, 5000 years ago?

[idle meteor]

2300

bc = 0-number

[mystic sequoia]

but 0 - 3 millenium would be -3000?

[humble notch]

3rd millenium BC would be 2000-3000 BC.

[idle meteor]

oh, third millenium

I missed that

xD

ye

[mystic sequoia]

Dw, sleep deprivation does that to ya

[idle meteor]

it wasn't crazy common, but iirc electrum coins were still in use in certain places in europe till around ~700.

like, 3 nations had coins of it

[mystic sequoia]

Was it more complex than the *10/10 we have now?

[idle meteor]

oh shit tons

shiiiiiiiiiit tons

for irl

like fuckin

[humble notch]

im not too sure on the actual math involved in older editions, just that the idea of specific weights, amount of coins you could carry, "exotic coins" were a much larger factor of the game which decisions would be made around. Actually carrying the loot from a dungeon was part of the challenge in part due to it

[idle meteor]

1 pound (L) = 20 shillings (s)
1 crown = 5 shillings
1 shilling = 12 pence (d)
1 penny = 4 farthings
1 mark = 13s 4d

and thats just english money

[mystic sequoia]

It does make sense that a dragon that's been collecting gold for thousands of years would have mostly otdates coins

Unless there's a banking system for treasure

[idle meteor]

I can't be fucked going looking for it, but I have a whole table covering the currencies and conversions of pretty much every coin in 15th century western europe into silver

[mystic sequoia]

So, you also have like, a wild west table?

[idle meteor]

I do not no

[mystic sequoia]

That sounds like a fun project

[idle meteor]

west was 18th century iirc

[mystic sequoia]

check all cultures of the 15th century in the world

And translate their money into silver

[idle meteor]

tbh, I say pretty much every, it was only ones that came up in research

and i think there were 3-4 indian and chinese coins in there too

[mystic sequoia]

Wait, I did have a doubt about the first table, how do you deal w stuff with 0 sp value?

[idle meteor]

eeeeeeeer

[mystic sequoia]

iirc wheat was 0 sp on your table

[idle meteor]

if there's stuff with 0 value, it's either ultra common shit you can pick off the floor, or excel has removed decimals, and show is rounding down to 0

[mystic sequoia]

Okokok

[idle meteor]

ye, went to check, it had

[mystic sequoia]

Chickens you can just take from farms, no problem w them being worthless

You can just like, start a farm no problem as an adventurer

it doesn't seem that expensive

[idle meteor]

yeah.
The thing to consider, is ultimately, danger pay

your average due is going to be making like

[mystic sequoia]

for the mission they just completed my party is geting around 5k sp

[idle meteor]

3-7sp a day

[humble notch]

You can start a farm. And earn 1sp a day.

[mystic sequoia]

I had a dm once force us start a hotel

[idle meteor]

some older back end shite

cos I've condensed it for the HSE book

but I found this first

[mystic sequoia]

You can also just make an army

hire like, 100 archers

Is that what older eds were like w the people that followed you?

[humble notch]

if you can find 100 archers who aren't already employed

good luck with that though

[mystic sequoia]

I'm so accustomed to 5e numbers that high nobility getting only 3k gold per year seemed too low

[idle meteor]

a hundred archer merc company would be like...
100 man at arms, ~5-10 knights (lets call it 6), and a banneret, plus probably a dozen squires.
So thats ~1,100gp a week

[idle meteor]

itd be around 9-10k in base 5e terms

[mystic sequoia]

still not a lot huh

Maybe I'm just decensitized tho

[idle meteor]

prolly

[mystic sequoia]

I've been in parties where 5k gold a job was the standard

[idle meteor]

they were not as rich as todays billionaires, lets put it that way

though nobles generally, just had that money on top of just, owning their land, and the people, etc

[humble notch]

5e economy is very much a broken thing.

[idle meteor]

yeah

its why I made HSE after all xD

[mystic sequoia]

Hse as in, historical silver economy?

[idle meteor]

yeah

but yeah, hiring a hundo archers, with the support staff, and such required, would likely be ~11,000 silver a week.
So just under ~48,000sp a month.
Not all that cheap.
Though as mercs, they pay for their own lodging, gear, ammo, food, etc, so... theres that at least? xD

[mystic sequoia]

Buy 120k bees for 60 sp

[humble notch]

I think it's largely because of video games, but video games normally have some degree of economy considered for the things you can buy (still able to farm the shit out of it, but still). 5e's got the worst of all worlds there

[mystic sequoia]

That's good, I only have to worry about wage

I think I'll give this table to my players

Other than 120k bees, nothing seems outrageous or easily exploitable to my sleep deprived brain

[idle meteor]

Tbf, the Bees aren't that exploitable either

It's a big load of Bees, you need a large hive to carry them, and throwing or dropping them on people will mostly be annoying more than anything else

[mystic sequoia]

Pbbly something like

fog cloud

and they disperse at the end of your next turn unless a creature damaged them

I had a character that carried pocket uh, whatchoumacall the shiny bugs?

[glacial cove]

Fire flys

[mystic sequoia]

that, I carried pocket fireflies

And threw it at people

[next trench]

Don't mind if I take all this invaluable information? that tables look really interesting

[mystic sequoia]

They truly are

[crystal thistle]

Why did this thread disappeared from my list wut?

[strong orchid]

If you aren't active in it for however much time it disappears

I'm pretty sure you can stop that from happening by following the thread in the top right

[crystal thistle]

i tried, still had to type in for it to show again

[torpid bronze]

i think its just a big with the things disappearing sometimes

[idle meteor]

@strong orchid@torpid bronze Forums are just threads.
Threads have a 'time limit'.
If no one posts in set time (or if someone manually does) it will archive, until someone posts in it again.
being the last post prior was 18th, Im betting this channels on default 3 days

[torpid bronze]

Oh that makes sense

[mystic sequoia]

Wah

I got scaerd

I just accepted that my thread was deleted

[torpid bronze]

Nah it's alive

[mystic sequoia]

That's good, I've been to busy w a brainrot to work on homebrew tho

I did make this for someone who asked for it

@idle meteor you are very knowdegeablele or however you write that, do you know anything about tornadoes?

I kinda just eyed this

[idle meteor]

looks like a fair start

I'd need to actually look at stuff

[mystic sequoia]

So long as nothing jumps out as crazy

[idle meteor]

this is honestly prolyl smol for tornadoes

twisters are big, dangerous bitches

[mystic sequoia]

We don't got those

So I wouldn't know

but

I did stop there cuz of danger

[idle meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/twister-tornado-disaster-storm-cyclone-gif-14469565

https://tenor.com/view/windy-storm-twister-flying-cow-stormy-weather-gif-24931764

[mystic sequoia]

You can't really budget to roll a 5 and have a city/ size tornado

Can you?

I mean, even a small tornado is pbbly tpk material

But on the flip side

tornadoes are fucking dangerous

[idle meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/reed-timmer-andover-drone-tornado-kswx-gif-25562774

[idle meteor]

I mean, sure why not? xD

but these are also I don't think that big

[mystic sequoia]

This one is no larger than like, 500m radius

At the base

that's what I'm counting

the shaft

[idle meteor]

fair, fair

[mystic sequoia]

There is no d5, I'd have to make a 6

a god tornado

[idle meteor]

"The largest tornado path widths can exceed one mile, while the smallest widths can be less than 10 yards. Widths can even vary considerably during a single tornado, since its size can change during its lifetime. Path lengths can range from a few yards to more than 100 miles."

[mystic sequoia]

a mile is what?

In km

0,8?

[idle meteor]

~10 yards is ~30ft (9m)
1 mile is ~5280ft (1.6km)

[mystic sequoia]

So like, 16500 feet

[idle meteor]

apparnetly most tornados go ~50 miles, few go more

[mystic sequoia]

or a 8250 radius

[idle meteor]

diam

[mystic sequoia]

I was reading about how some of em can feed themselves into lasting hours

[idle meteor]

so its be a from 15ft radius base, up to ~2640ft radius base

[mystic sequoia]

@crystal thistle @torpid bronze The us seems to be a big place for tornadoes, opinions?

[idle meteor]

apprently the uk is the second most number of tornados

[crystal thistle]

the midwest yea

my opinion is that
there is like only 3 people living there, it ain’t matter

[idle meteor]

US is most, with US+Canada having torando ally

apparently our tornados tend to last minute

and are a bit smol

[mystic sequoia]

But, how bad are they?

Here we don't get many tornado news

I bet they suck

We do get terremoto news

[crystal thistle]

in the midwest apparently daily and can range from anything that is like nothing serious to hard ones

it’s like chile with earthquakes yk

[idle meteor]

where was it you lived, like brazil or som,it?

[mystic sequoia]

I?

[idle meteor]

yeah

someone was brazil

[mystic sequoia]

Uruguay

[idle meteor]

I remembered you spoke spanish, so I mean

that's close

[mystic sequoia]

We don't get strong air currents, we are hidden amongst the air current from amazonia

I believe

So, no snow

no tornadoes

[idle meteor]

even though brazil is portuguse

dont worry about that

[crystal thistle]

you realize brazil doesn’t speak spanish

[idle meteor]

already said that xD

I'm bad at geography

[crystal thistle]

there was seconds of difference between your message and mine

[next trench]

I mean, we don't call it earthquake but yes

[crystal thistle]

what the hell do y’all call it?

[next trench]

I think the English word would be tremor

[crystal thistle]

ah, i always forget there is two different levels lol

[idle meteor]

apparently the south american tornado alley goes through uruaguay

"South America has its own tornado alley, comprising areas in central and northern Argentina, southern and southeast Brazil, Uruguay, and part of Paraguay."

[mystic sequoia]

We just get strong winds tho

No tornadoes in the last half century

iirc

Oh shit

[idle meteor]

I mean, I just learned the UK has the second most occurances of tornadoes in the world.
And I have seen like... one or two and those were major events to my knowledge so, whothefuckknows

[mystic sequoia]

the dolores tornado

In 2016

[next trench]

We call earthquake when is above 8, when in other countries something like a 6 take out half a city for us is a little tremor

[crystal thistle]

see, the midwest is just like that but with tornados

afaik

which is like, knowing from memes bc i’ve never researched this or been to the midwest

[next trench]

I think I prefer earthquakes over tornados

[mystic sequoia]

I do know something about it being filled w hills and fields

[mystic sequoia]

Both sound scary af

But I guess terremotos can be like, chill

while tornadoes are more of a general bitch

[crystal thistle]

the midwest is flat

[crystal thistle]

i like hurricanes

[mystic sequoia]

There's a difference?

Are hurricanes worse tornadoes or sumth?

[crystal thistle]

yes

Hurricanes are Hurricanes
Tornados are Tornados

[next trench]

I will say that the strongest tornado can destroy a city, the strongest earthquake changes the geography of a region

That's the difference

[mystic sequoia]

You are so funny, bet its a copying mechanism for living in the us

/lh

[crystal thistle]

there is no coping mechanism to help that

[next trench]

We have a river when you can touch trees underwater, like a whole forest because an earthquake

[torpid bronze]

tornados are way different from hurricans

tornados are like usually very short

like 2-4 mins long

but they like form and then disappear and then reform under the storm further away

[crystal thistle]

on the other hand, ive lived week long hurricanes

[torpid bronze]

and generally are pretty small and random in what they damage, like one house can be totally destroyed and then two houses down they r totally fine

yeah hurricanes last a long time and are constant

tornados are closer to like a lightning strike than an entire storm system ig?

like one storm will usually spawn multiple tornados

but a hurricane is like one big system

[crystal thistle]

i mean they dont form instantaneously tho, ig that depends, idk ive never lived a tornado, ive seen Typhoons forming so close enough

[next trench]

Yeah i prefer my earth and fire elemental disasters over tornados and hurricanes, ty

[torpid bronze]

yeah but they form pretty quick tbf

[crystal thistle]

did you know abt Fire Tornados?

[torpid bronze]

like you can see them starting to form for a while? i think but until it touches ground and starts spinning we're never sure if it'll alctually realize to anything

[next trench]

Oh shi-

[torpid bronze]

volcano is the only major disaster i havent lived through i think?

well and tsunami

[mystic sequoia]

Doesn't hawai have a lotta them?

[crystal thistle]

you think?

[torpid bronze]

yeah! i lived on a volcano in hawaii actually!! it never erupted while i was there tho

[mystic sequoia]

Hurricanes are the ones that appear on maps, right?

[torpid bronze]

yeah

[mystic sequoia]

like, satelital images

[crystal thistle]

yea

[mystic sequoia]

they big as countries

[torpid bronze]

and get names

[mystic sequoia]

Like catrina

[crystal thistle]

they are basically very, very, very strong tropical storms

[next trench]

Tiamat, the ultimate hurricane

[torpid bronze]

there might be ones im not considering!!

[crystal thistle]

she appears in satelites?

[mystic sequoia]

The closer I got was I think when a volcano erupted somewhere on chile or sumth? and ashes rained for like two days

[next trench]

Sorry for that

[torpid bronze]

but like blizzards tornados hurricanes earthquakes forest fires ive seen most of it irl

[mystic sequoia]

It was fun, it felt like a sample of living in santiago de chile

[mystic sequoia]

blizzards? how does that look?

[torpid bronze]

lots of snow

lots of ice

[crystal thistle]

Santiago is commonly covered in ashes?

[next trench]

Good one, is always morally correct make fun of santiago

[torpid bronze]

stay home drink a lot

[mystic sequoia]

Santiago is very polluted

[torpid bronze]

(my plan for hurricanes as well)

[idle meteor]

meteor strike?

[crystal thistle]

of water, clearly

[next trench]

Is a fking hole

[torpid bronze]

see i knew there were ones i wasnt counting

[mystic sequoia]

Solid plan

Most people have lived meteor strikes

they very common

just, pbbly small rocks

[crystal thistle]

in person?

[mystic sequoia]

that do nothing upon impact

[next trench]

A solar flare is also a possibility

[mystic sequoia]

Aren't we like, pretty dandy against solar flares?

[crystal thistle]

is that a pokemon attack?

[mystic sequoia]

Due to earth magnetic fields

[next trench]

Yes and no

[idle meteor]

FWIW, the main types of disaster are listed as

Tornadoes and Severe Storms
Hurricanes and Tropical Storms
Floods
Wildfires
Earthquakes
Drought
Incidents of Mass Violence
Meteor strike isn't even on the list apparently

though I think it should be

[mystic sequoia]

Mass violence?

[torpid bronze]

i was actually just reading the wikipedia page about what exactly is a natural disaster

[next trench]

Well, we all now the strongest natural disaster is

[idle meteor]

warzone, bombing, mass shooting, basically man-made horrors

[next trench]

Godzilla

[mystic sequoia]

Oh, that

Yeah

[torpid bronze]

i mean i did go to school in america

basically a war zone 💀

[crystal thistle]

a regular day in Latinoamerica

[mystic sequoia]

Ye

[idle meteor]

another thing is giving

“Major disaster” means any natural catastrophe (including any hurricane, tornado, storm, high water, winddriven water, tidal wave, tsunami, earthquake, volcanic eruption, landslide, mudslide, snowstorm, or drought), or, regardless of cause, any fire, flood, or explosion

[torpid bronze]

wtf is windriven water?

[idle meteor]

still no meteor strike tho

[mystic sequoia]

Hey, I'm on a drough

it ain't fun

[crystal thistle]

when the wind is so strong is moves bodies of water?

[crystal thistle]

Aang?

[mystic sequoia]

Ocean is fucking scary

Hate the beach

[torpid bronze]

ooooooooo

[idle meteor]

basically, wind forces deep water to shift, which makes a titdal wave

[torpid bronze]

thats neat never heard that term b4

[crystal thistle]

that just looks like a wave forming tho?

[torpid bronze]

it has to do with fluid mechanics i think?

[crystal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-we-out-peace-out-disappear-gif-15464202

[torpid bronze]

and how much water the wind displaces

basically the more water you move and the farther from shore the bigger wave it has potential to make

[idle meteor]

according to the picture (and really, you can see it behind) it's a solid wall of water.
You can see the top of the wave doesn't really drop.
Meaning that is what... and 8-10ft tall rise of water coming in

[crystal thistle]

..isnt that just a normal wave

[torpid bronze]

(i havent done fluid mechancis in a decade i might be wrong)

i think this is specifically very large wind created waves

[crystal thistle]

really, i dont see the difference between the pic and just a normal wave forming lol, just a very big one

[mystic sequoia]

Usually waves are elevated from the ocean level

[crystal thistle]

that's how it looks when the water begins retracting

[mystic sequoia]

this is a thick sheet of water

No wave elevation

[torpid bronze]

yeah its like the entire water got picked up like a blanket

goofy

[mystic sequoia]

Like a tectonic plaque

but, from water

[crystal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-confused-gif-14430852

[torpid bronze]

i feel so at home with all the lines on this image

[crystal thistle]

💀 why is there a crossair ?

[crystal thistle]

yea, a wave forming

[idle meteor]

cos my crosshair didn't turn off and it's a screen cap

[idle meteor]

heh, yeah that

it's technically a wave, but a fucking huge one

[crystal thistle]

...I swear, when I went to the beach every summer, waves formed like the second one

[mystic sequoia]

?????¿?¿?

You are a contrarian

[crystal thistle]

is that a position in a jury house?

[crystal thistle]

well yea, that's what im saying lol

[idle meteor]

yeah, but a normal wave is cos of the wave form.
It's wiggly.
If a wave is higher, it will have that typical shape as a bove.
Cos msot waves, even large ones, are only a few feet wide.

The wind way is dozens and dozens of feet wide

[crystal thistle]

isnt the wind way a nintendo game?

[mystic sequoia]

So, I'm going to make a natural disasters compendium for 5e

for funsies

[crystal thistle]

do it with SnowWolf, he was working on a weather system

[mystic sequoia]

Might do, once I exit the spiderverse brainrot

[torpid bronze]

spiderverse is so good

[mystic sequoia]

I think it has ruined my life

[torpid bronze]

brainrot that bad huh?

[mystic sequoia]

I'm literally drawing a spidersona rn

[torpid bronze]

i love omg

the color

[mystic sequoia]

Txs txs, I'm even planning a comic about them

I've never written

anything

[torpid bronze]

thats okay writing is easy

[mystic sequoia]

Is it?

[torpid bronze]

i think so

its just like a uh

you gotta write a bunch

and most of it is gonna suck

[mystic sequoia]

Do you write?

sounds like personal exp

[torpid bronze]

sometimes

i go through phases

wrote a lot in middle and high school

then not as much

then got back into it

been doing world building stuff recently

but like writing stuff, fleshing out cultures ideals religions philosophies etc

95% of what i write i scrap or throw away

[mystic sequoia]

I've been writting for a campaign I'm dming rn, does that also count then?

Its mostly messy notes

[torpid bronze]

its still writing

[mystic sequoia]

That's my fav part of wb

[torpid bronze]

yeah i love building lore

[mystic sequoia]

(response to this)

[torpid bronze]

most of what i write just ends up being told to my therapist and then forgotten lmao

[mystic sequoia]

I show some of what I write to a friend I have

but he's a renoun writter

so, he has a very critical eye

[mystic sequoia]

I have so many notes of campaigns that never were

sadge

[torpid bronze]

i shared the last story i wrote with two people

one told me it was horribly depressing and the other called it porn

[mystic sequoia]

pffff

Two very different reactions

I've been told mine are too heavy

My current party is on the middle of a civil war

and they are level 2

[torpid bronze]

lmao

i was getting a group together on another server, was gonna have them ending up enemies of the state in an occupied imperial province and getting dragged into the poltiical struggle for freedom against the empire when the person whos been helping keep them safe ends up becoming a spirtual leader to a band of rebels thanks to their intense power of prophcy granted by the goddes of the local religion

but then i devloped all these ideas and half the players flaked out

[mystic sequoia]

That sucks, I get that

I had some players that were accustomed to more chill campaigns

and they got whiplash from mine and bounced

[torpid bronze]

yeah 💀 i think i scared off soem of my players bcuz they were newer

[mystic sequoia]

Mine was a solarpunk campaign about the cycle of violence, and how many civilizations rose and fell due to selfishness

[torpid bronze]

god solar punk is so fucking cool

[mystic sequoia]

Its my fav punk, besides cyberpunk

I had both on the same word tho

There was a solarpunk nation and a cyberpunk one, but they didn't know bout eachother

cuz the planet was stuck between two planes

[torpid bronze]

hell ya

god imagine just wandering into a solar punk society after being born and living in a cyberpunk one

like where are the lights! the smog? the cheap unnatural food?

god that scene in spider verse where they live the spider tower

was so fucking cool

[mystic sequoia]

like a shredder

[mystic sequoia]

YESS, the illustration they took as inspiration are so cool frfr

[mystic sequoia]

I'm such a fan of clogged cities

like, houses upon houses, neighborhoods stacked

I was on a campaign where we only got to experience the richer sides of the word and were then supposed to empatize with the working class

Like, I can do that, the fratboys we've been playing for months? not so easily

[torpid bronze]

thats why you gotta make the rich people evil dicks

writing stuff and sharing it widely and then ppl totally misunderstanding me is one of my biggest anxieties

[mystic sequoia]

Ye but, there's a specific kind of dick

cuz you have shit like the onceler who is a dick but is also like "I'm just a victim of my surroundings" when literally killing the word

This kind of thing, where a single building is like 4 different shops and an inn

cuz the people in power don't care about bettering the situation

[torpid bronze]

god this look so cool

[mystic sequoia]

thanks, I'm planning on becoming some kind of enviromental artist if ai doesn't take over

[torpid bronze]

hell ya

idk i thnk art has its own value but also we live in a hyper capatilist hell society so

i mean tbh with climate change its probably gonna cost less to pay a human being than the water and power needed for an ai soon 💀

whats that andor line "they use us instead of droids becasue we're way cheaper and way easier to replace"

[mystic sequoia]

Ye but also, I had a friend aproach the other day saying he was also an artist now cuz he can write prompts on an ai generator

And I was like

bruh

[torpid bronze]

bruh

the ai is the artist

😭

[mystic sequoia]

Fr, at least credit the ai

if anything

[torpid bronze]

i actually like ai art, especially ai art that uses other ai art as inspo

and think ai art is art, but its art made by an ai

[mystic sequoia]

It its own specific thing, ye

[torpid bronze]

its like if i ask someone to draw something that doesnt make it my own art

[mystic sequoia]

Like photography and painting

They can coexist

as two different things

you can't take a picture of the everest and enter on a realist art competition w it

[torpid bronze]

yeah exactly

i sometimes think about the way people treat ai is probably pretty similar to how they would have treated slaves if they lived 300 years ago

[mystic sequoia]

how so?

[torpid bronze]

just like, the way that people are so quick to dismiss the question of like "yo this thing seems like it might be alive on some level should we consider that?" and people just ignore that idea at all

going "no ofc that thing doesnt have feelings its just a computer"

and like

they just accept the world as its told to them

jsut like people in ye olden times would be told that about other living things and just accept it

[mystic sequoia]

I just read do androids dream of electric sheep and I'm on a weird spot

Like

The arguments I've heard about why Ai can't be considered a person always will end up also making it so that some neurodivergent folks aren't people

"Can't feel empathy" are psycopaths not people then?

What about people who just have lower empathy than others? what level is acceptable to be considered a person?

"It doesn't process things the same way" I've got adhd, I also don't do that

[torpid bronze]

yeah basically

any test of "personhood" is also a thing that at least some human beings wont meet

and like id feel way more comfortable giving something the respect of personhood that might not technically "deserve" it than i would be thinking that im ignoring the respect a person deserves

if that makes sense

[mystic sequoia]

Totally

Why are chimps still animals?

for example

[torpid bronze]

octopuses are able to measure up to like 5-7 year old children on test of inteleigence and thats using test designed for humans!!

[mystic sequoia]

Corws like 5

[torpid bronze]

there are some wicked smart birds

[mystic sequoia]

whales have a complex language system

when does it become a person?

[torpid bronze]

yeah exactly!! like Hawaiian crows use tools

[mystic sequoia]

When it looks like one? news flash, humans can be very different

Four limbs and a head? there are chimps that meet that criteria, and humans that don't

[torpid bronze]

yeah lmao

its like the stupid "what is a woman" garabge people try to do all the time bcuz of matt walsh

[mystic sequoia]

Genitals aren't even a binary to classify people

intersex people literally exist

Genitals are more of a spectrum than anything

[torpid bronze]

yeah lmao and like trans ppl get plastic surgery to change their genital structure so that doesnt even work any more

or like sometimes terfs like to say something about ovaries or whatever but like there are afab cis people who are born with out ovaries or dont have the ability to have children for whatever reason

[mystic sequoia]

and people who have to remove them

for medical reasons

right?

[torpid bronze]

yeah

[mystic sequoia]

Hobie was right, fuck labels

You consider yourself a person? fuck yeah you are

I don't have a saying on that

[torpid bronze]

lmao yeah

and like

imagine how bad it would be to be hanging out with people

and then theyre like "oh this ai couldnt be a person it cant see pictures when it imagines things its all words and code" and like the way you think is no pictures and all words

💀

the casual realization that if people understood you they'd see you as not a person

[mystic sequoia]

Dude, when I came out as aromantic people thought it meant I was some kind of psychopath

[mystic sequoia]

do you have aphantasia?

[torpid bronze]

💀 i do lmao

well

idk my expierence with it is strange

as sometimes i get intense visual hallucinations when psychotic

[mystic sequoia]

do you wanna move over to priv?

[torpid bronze]

o lmao no need to dump all my personal lore into this channel

[mystic sequoia]

Chill, chill

TW for anyone who comes here after (specially seba) hevy topics

[glacial cove]

Some might say it's "Still Alive"

[glacial cove]

I'm not reading this time, not that bored

So I'm gonna summarize this thread as "twister of hallucinations"

[mystic sequoia]

@crystal thistle has yer plyr tested them weapons?

[crystal thistle]

i had to remind them to use it they forgot lol, my player used quick in a rapier to kill a goblin after they've been failing all the attacks, and then another player killed a goblin with Might, althought, they didnt need it

[mystic sequoia]

Hmm, why I've had a similar problem when playtesting

except fr Graze, the player with graze loves it

[crystal thistle]

with remembering?

[mystic sequoia]

ye

they forget

They also newbie tho

[crystal thistle]

that may be why

same here

[mystic sequoia]

Ye but, the spellcaster doesn't forget the spells

So

Whats goin on here?

[crystal thistle]

well my spellcasters do so

[mystic sequoia]

Bruh

I forgot training was already a thing

[idle meteor]

it is in the UA yes.
But the UA is just, nebulous unconfirmed and protean madness, that will likely end in a walled garden of design, so...
iunno, I'm not really giving it much weight outside of hypotheticals right now

[mystic sequoia]

Fair

[glacial cove]

I finally went to the doctor to see my hand, I'm kind of dissapointed

My bones are fine, but the pain has been going on for almost a month, he said it was swollen articulations, or something

So I'll have to wait another month before I can check up again.

[mystic sequoia]

Bruh

Gl w tgat

[glacial cove]

Thanks

I lost a day of studying for that, tomorrow I have two of my finals

I'm ded

And sleepy

[mystic sequoia]

@crystal thistle @torpid bronze Woulja mind taking a look at the first 5 levels of the class I'm making?

[torpid bronze]

np is the link posted

[mystic sequoia]

https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/GdVRqLx4zDEN

Right there

[torpid bronze]

spiderman class

?

[mystic sequoia]

Yep

[mystic sequoia]

Im on a campaign w a cyberpunk setting and what better moment to play spiderman

[crystal thistle]

I think Spider-man makes more sense as a Monk subclass rather than a full class?

[mystic sequoia]

I had this discussion w ovion b4

Ashley and I determined that, being over 60 years old and having more than 200+ variants make spider people easily eligible to be its own thing

[crystal thistle]

that, doesnt make any sense

you literally gave it martial arts dice thingy

[mystic sequoia]

Ye, but cuz I'm still working on it

still, many classes share baseline features

there are more than one full casters and half casters

[crystal thistle]

if you just make this into a Monk Subclass and tie the webs into Ki Points, it works fine

[mystic sequoia]

Thing is, that sucks

[crystal thistle]

that's cuz the Monk itself sucks

[mystic sequoia]

Then I see no problem w making my own thing

[crystal thistle]

different discussion, but I dont think Spiderman merits a full class

[mystic sequoia]

Spiderman has anough variants as rogue possible archetypes

if not more

Anogh? God I might be dyslexic

[crystal thistle]

the core of Spiderman is just a monk with spider things

[mystic sequoia]

Enough*

[humble notch]

Fwiw, you've definitely went in a more safe, monk-ish direction than I would have

[mystic sequoia]

Ye, also discussed that w ovion

It was 3 am, and I had no other ideas to give it unarmed fighting that don't suck

The monk martial arts die is just a progression to make unarmed fighting viable

[mystic sequoia]

Ye but I don't wanna hurt my head making a idk, shadow monk and get this item and that thingy to emulate what spiderman does

Also, ranger would be spiderman

not monk

[crystal thistle]

that makes no sense

Monk has, or its supposed to have, a bunch of mobility, so Spiderman

[mystic sequoia]

Ranger emulates the fantasy way better

You literally have web

And stuff like pplant growth, entangle???

Literllay spiderman

[humble notch]

Gimme a minute. About to go to a dentist

[crystal thistle]

make it a ranger subclass then
I would argue Rangers rely on weapons unlike Monks

[mystic sequoia]

Spierman relies on weapons

if you consider web-shooters weapons

[crystal thistle]

I dont

[mystic sequoia]

which they obviusly are

[crystal thistle]

those things would be taken care by Monk ki points

[mystic sequoia]

How?

[crystal thistle]

the main combating is Unarmed Fighting

[mystic sequoia]

Also, monks have like 5 ki, you can't do nothin w that

[crystal thistle]

yea, cuz monk sucks

[humble notch]

So, to me there shouldn't be unarmed fighting in a way that remotely looks like how a monk fights. The monk fights way too directly.

Instead, to me, it would strongly integrate the web swinging, launching into an opponent with force, then flipping away.

something more like; when you web line to an enemy, and propel yourself towards them; deal Xd6 damage and land in an unoccupied space 10 ft away.

And/Or luanching debris at them (again via web); When you webline to an object, you can use it for a single improvised weapon attack against a creature within rane of your webline, it deals PBx Improvised Weapon Damage.

[mystic sequoia]

Thing is, that's one specifix style of spidey combat isn't it? a buncha others rely on widely different combat means

[humble notch]

My view may be that you can turn out a class out of less than what others can; but I also think that they need to function pretty signficantly differently

Across most media that applies to most.

Certainly more than martial arts style fighting

[mystic sequoia]

Outside of the unarmed combat, are the other mechanics alright?

[humble notch]

don't have time to go into rn. Just wanted to give example after reading Ovion's bit.

[mystic sequoia]

Fair then, ll work on that

[humble notch]

dentist time, as I said.

[idle meteor]

I'll add I don't mean it as a bad thing, just different standards/goals, cos for most people classes are the most work possible, and you're just "and here's number 53" or whatever. xD

[humble notch]

I have a pretty high standard as far as emulating the thematics (and Having thematics) properly go, but yeah. I don't see it as the ultra herculean task

[torpid bronze]

i like the symboite thingy

i also really like the mutation thingy

tho i think with the mutains it might be better to cut down the list a little and have the future features upgrade it?

[mystic sequoia]

The idea already is to upgrade the options here

[torpid bronze]

👍

[mystic sequoia]

Do you think the web abilities work fine?

[torpid bronze]

they seem fine to me

[mystic sequoia]

Ok ok and, do you have any idea on how to add unarmed combat to this without just using the monk die?

I genuinely have no idea how to do that

maybe something like what the rogue gets? they deal 1d4 as everyone else w unarmed strikes but they get to add more d4?

[torpid bronze]

could give them fighting styles and throw in the unarmed style?

so you can unarmed but can also be a spider gun or w/e

[mystic sequoia]

Ye but the entire class is unarmed

that's a core idea behind it

[torpid bronze]

o i see

[mystic sequoia]

But using the monk progression taints the class

and will inevitably lead to aking why it isn't just a monk subclass

[humble notch]

you around?

[mystic sequoia]

I am

Yes

The class is updated

More distinct I believe

[humble notch]

do you mean by being d4s?

[mystic sequoia]

yes?

I love d4s

I think they are neat

[humble notch]

just making sure its what I'm seeing.

Can't say I'm a huge d4 fan, prefer d12s myself since they roll much more smoothly.

But, from this; it looks as though you've still got Scaling Unarmed Attacks, Unarmored Defense, Slowfall and in one archetyepe; finesse unarmed strikes/weapons.

[mystic sequoia]

Yeah, but all 3 are a must

[humble notch]

I don't necessarily think they are.

[mystic sequoia]

I'm ok with it overlaping a bit with the monk

5e isn't free of overlap

And it has worse offenders

[humble notch]

It does, but more unique-more evocative, I tend to view as much better.

[mystic sequoia]

I mean, you need unarmed strikes for how the archetype fights, unarmored defense might be ok leaving but the barb also has it and slowfall is a must when talking about a class that actively falls

I'd even say it needs it more than the monk

(slowfall)

[humble notch]

See, To me there's ways around all of them.

Particularly unarmed strikes; to me Spider-man never just stays still punching people unless he's losing; which is how the monk fights and how regular unarmed strike scaling create a dynamic of. But, I've already given how I'd go about it, so let's go to the other 2 Must Haves.

Unarmored Defense; To me Spider-man isn't going to be staying still while people punch him in most cases (he can theoretically; via spider sense, but he rarely does). Instead, he senses the opponents moves, and reacts - getting out of the way (typically via web).

How I would accomplish that would be Reaction when hit (not triggering on what already would be misses, because spider-sense), to reaction move a Web-Swing amount - turning the triggering damage into a miss.

Or, (since something like that I do put at 5th level for my arcane trickster), perhaps instead a resource based Spider-Sense Pool; spend to turn a hit (or an unsuccessful Dex Save) into a miss/success.

Slowfall; To me, Spider-man isn't about that catlike grace landing perfectly. Black Cat maybe but not spider-man. Instead, he avoids falling by webbing a grapple and just...not falling. So Reaction webswing, to save yourself when you fall, while getting you where you want to be.

In fact, that he doesn't do a "slowfall" type safer thing; is arguably how Gwen dies.

[mystic sequoia]

Unarmored defense isn't tanking punches, its also about avoiding hits; early on adding like an evasion type feature would be too strong and spider-sense as an expendable resource doesn't fully work for me

Arachnid phys already gives them adv on dex saves

[mystic sequoia]

I get what you mean but this isn't falling with grace, this is more like a necesity when you're swinging around

[humble notch]

Avoiding while standing still

[mystic sequoia]

Standing still is just the token on a map for reference

[humble notch]

Ah, I'd kind of disagree with that.

what I mean is they stay within that 5ft cube.

I'd disagree that it can ever representation anything else, given that there are things that pretty explicitly interact if you move through or from spaces.

[mystic sequoia]

I get that but, unless restrained, attacks miss because you move within your space

You can't describe every miss as a hit that does no damage

That's why ac takes dex into account

[humble notch]

But, that's what I mean. It's the holland peter moving around when Doctor Strange removes his soul from his body kind of dodging.

But that's not how Spider-man typically avoids injury, he moves much more dramatically leaping entirely out of the way.

[mystic sequoia]

Well, you can see spider noir figthing that way against thumbstone in sv

So more brawly spider people do

[humble notch]

Cage Noir, anyway.

Comic Noir just uses a glock.

[mystic sequoia]

Its still a version of the character

and the moves do make it seem like he can fight cq no problems

[humble notch]

version, yep. Why I find it important to specify which spidey I mean. :P

[mystic sequoia]

That's outside of the point, I feel like what you're proposing works but as like

a 6th to 9th level feature

that allows you to move when an attack misses you

not as a 1 to 5 level feature

Maybe it could even be part of the Friendly Nergbor subclass

as its the more peter park-y

While venom doesn't really dodge that much, do they?

[humble notch]

To me the first five levels capture the fundamental feel. To me the fundamental feel of the sub is much more mobile; never just standing and punching or getting punched at by a guy

Venom moves around pretty often still. Though it depends on what he's fighting.

as for Combat Humour;
Definitely not what I expected. Different ways of punching people.

It's fine ig, but I wouldn't say it particularly captures the dynamic well

[mystic sequoia]

Combat humour is also a weird spot for me

The general idea is to capture the feel of the 3 more prominent "alignments" of spiderppl ive seen

But I'm struggling w it

[humble notch]

It's only really doing that in how they punch though.

[mystic sequoia]

The level is prettly loaded already

Should it move to 1st level?

[humble notch]

To me, the Quips are more Cutting Words type thing. He keeps opponents off balance by annoying them, mocking them.

[mystic sequoia]

I was looking at the Kender for possible inspo

w their taunt trait

[humble notch]

wotc released a kender?

[mystic sequoia]

Taunt. You have an extraordinary ability to fluster creatures. As a bonus action, you can unleash a string of provoking words at a creature within 60 feet of yourself that can hear and understand you. The target must succeed on a Wisdom saving throw, or it has disadvantage on attack rolls against targets other than you until the start of your next turn. The DC equals 8 + your proficiency bonus + your Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma modifier (choose when you select this race).
You can use this bonus action a number of times equal to your proficiency bonus, and you regain all expended uses when you finish a long rest.

Its from dragonlance

but that's a lot for 2nd level

[humble notch]

yeah, it's a bit more involved than I was thinking

[mystic sequoia]

too front heavy

if it were a baby it'd flop forward

[humble notch]

How I'd see things would be something like

Action or reaction taken when they miss an attack; disadvantage on next roll.

[mystic sequoia]

What do you mean?

[humble notch]

like, use an action to impose disadvantage on targets next roll.
or when a creature misses an attack; use a reaction to give them disadvantage on their next roll

[torpid bronze]

a spider sense reaction giving you + dex or +wis to ac for 1 round would be neat

sorry im still catching up

[torpid bronze]

just saw yall talking about unarmed defense earlier

[mystic sequoia]

Its kinda already there for Frendly Neighbor

[mystic sequoia]

Chill

[humble notch]

That's their webs though. Not their words.

[mystic sequoia]

Ohh like vicious mockery

[humble notch]

To me the quips are central.

[torpid bronze]

oh thats a good point quips r super important

[mystic sequoia]

But, there has to be a way to get that and also dex punches

[torpid bronze]

could make the webshooters a melee (fist) weapon that uses ur unarmed damage but uses dex for attacks

and then make the webshooters an item you wear/equip

to use web powers

[mystic sequoia]

I don't fully like the idea of building a class around an item

that's why they just have webs

the origin of them is not important

[torpid bronze]

that makes sense

idk i dont actually think dex punches is worth that much power budget

[humble notch]

I don't really see the value in the punches in general, so...yeah.

But yeah; to me a feature named "Combat Humour" especially one where you proceed to take the "witty" option (I don't actually think options are needed), isn't about giving me dex punches or push on hit; it's about the quips

[mystic sequoia]

Fair but, the punches and kicks are pretty much necessary imo

Spidey draws a lot from martial arts

stuff like capoeira

n judo I believe, w a bunch of holding and maneuvering opponents

[torpid bronze]

yeah spidey and most heros use martial arts a lot

[mystic sequoia]

Webs can't (and usually aren't) the main offensive capabilities of a spidey

[torpid bronze]

but i dont think its actually an iconic part of the kit? just a side effect of having super strength and not needing a weapon to help them have an idenitity

bcuz there are spidermen that use weapons

[humble notch]

I feel they are pretty often tbh.

[mystic sequoia]

not in a way that completely errases the fists and kicks

[torpid bronze]

there are web spiders, weapon spiders, miguel has his vampire powers as his main weapon

which is why i think allowing it through a fighting style might work best

[mystic sequoia]

I'm not really a fan of fighting styles tho

[torpid bronze]

but i also dont think dex unarmed is that strong?

[mystic sequoia]

Not how they are implemented in 5e

[mystic sequoia]

Its not that its strong, its front-loading the class

You already get web at 2nd level

[torpid bronze]

yeah but i think slow fall unarmed defense and dex unarmed are all important to have basically as soon as possible

[mystic sequoia]

Also, this class is also mostly str

Dex doesn't change much but, if you don't choose witty, most features default to strength

bc its unarmed strikes

which also works for spideys like miles

that maybe don't karate everywhere but he does need to touch for the venomshock

I'd say that's an unarmed strike

Miguel bite and claws also

Peter porker seemed pretty mele in sv but I haven't read his comics

Also penny

[torpid bronze]

bro i love peni

i want a spider mech bonded to my soul

[mystic sequoia]

I love

gwen

such amazing story

But I totally want to be miles

I like the more biological spider people, the ones w variant powers

like invis

and venomshock

and miguel's claws

And natual webs

that kinda stuff

Anyway

Spidey needs unarmored defense with how 5e works, I can't afford it to start with an ability that allows it to sprint from enemies on a miss at early levels

Unless there's a race that does that

@humble notch do you know of one?

If a race gives it to ya then I'm more ok w it

[humble notch]

Tortles.

oh you meant for my thing.

[mystic sequoia]

Ye

[humble notch]

So this is one of the differences in how I approach classes; I'm a lot more willing to go outside the 5e style of things, which allows for more unique central mechanics. With good unique central mechanics being needed for good evocative classes imo.

[mystic sequoia]

But, a reaction to an attack missing

[humble notch]

Not to an attack missing.

[mystic sequoia]

that still leaves you w a shit ac

[humble notch]

To an attack hitting.

Which causes it to miss.

Akin to Shield.

[mystic sequoia]

Ok, still

You'd then need to have a half-plate spider man

or something like that

[humble notch]

I don't see it as necessary

[mystic sequoia]

@torpid bronze better now?

[humble notch]

I think it's viable to have low AC if you have another means to avoiding dying. Moving out of the way is a method.

[mystic sequoia]

So, would they get multiple reactions?

[humble notch]

I wouldn't think so.

[torpid bronze]

i think a spider sense feature allowing you to use your dodge twice in a round for one reaction would make sense

or maybe an ac bonus after using the dodgE? but at a higher level

like 11 or 7 or something

[humble notch]

Oh, yeah, Dodge Action's a good pull.

[mystic sequoia]

So, when you take the dodge action, you can use your reaction to turn a hit into a miss

Something like that?

[mystic sequoia]

This replaces adv on dex saves

[humble notch]

Dodge BA is pretty notable. I would definitely not include that and UD.

[mystic sequoia]

If I kept this

you'd have a bad AC, you can evade a hit but

at the end of the day

if a lot of attacks hit, you'll die

[humble notch]

Dodge is disadvantage on all attacks against you.

Which is roughyl equivalnet to +3 AC.

(via being a rough -3 to all enemy attacks targetting you)

[mystic sequoia]

Ye, I get the math

I'll playtest it

I'm going to play this class on my next campaign

[mystic sequoia]

What about the new combat humour?

[humble notch]

Weird being free. But it's kind of because you've stretched yourself in wanting to do a Lot of things (and being adamant about punching as one of those things)

[mystic sequoia]

Talking is free

riiiiight?

[humble notch]

imposing disadv with talking not so much

[mystic sequoia]

what about the other 2?

[humble notch]

The other factor is that this adds an additional Roll ontop of everything else you're doing per turn.

Since it reqs a save.

[mystic sequoia]

well but that's already a thing w stuff like spirit guardians

[humble notch]

Keeping the number of rolls a single character does down is typically ideal.

does/causes

[mystic sequoia]

so, Bonus action?

[humble notch]

I wouldn't use BA since I'd be using BA for something else.

[mystic sequoia]

So

that leaves us with actions

[humble notch]

that's what I said;

You can do otherwise ofc. We have pretty different approaches on this.

[mystic sequoia]

It doesn't have a bussy ba tho

Other than dodging

which then becomes redundant w quippy

witty*

Better?

It doesn't fully eat an action when you can make multiple attacks

[torpid bronze]

i think its fine for just disadv on attacks on creatures other than you is fine as a rider on attack

a fighter sub does that right

and i think a bard sub too?

[mystic sequoia]

Protector guardians or sumth

[mystic sequoia]

whats a rider?

[torpid bronze]

oh just like an extra thingy? so an attack rider would be you make an attack and do normal attack things and then do your rider effect (in this case disadvang on attacks on targets other than you)

[mystic sequoia]

isn't that an armored feature?

the gauntlet thingy

[torpid bronze]

oh that sounds right yeah

i knew somethign did it

[mystic sequoia]

Does the new witty work better?

Instead of a rider

it replaes an attack

Which also synergizes w the Lethal protector feature

I'd say

so instead of attacking you say "I replace my attack towards an ally w the Witty thingy"

[mystic sequoia]

https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/GdVRqLx4zDEN

[chilly orbit]

very interesting

[mystic sequoia]

Faye's a bit of Everything

So, I've been working on a new monk Cuz I'm unemployed and have abuncha free time

The idea is for it to be a Psy monk, like the 4e monk

https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/_GWF_ewH8Zi4

Whatchall thingk?

@torpid bronze I heard you like older editions

[torpid bronze]

O shit

I do like 4e and monks

I will look this over when I'm home from McDonald's

[mystic sequoia]

enjoy your happy meal

: D

psy monk seemed like such a fun thingy to play

such a shame it was killed of natural causes

[torpid bronze]

i like the points coming back at the start of ur turn

burst of psy implies it sh ould have limited uses but is missing them

[torpid bronze]

also just in general i think monk weapons should allow two handed non heavy weapons

but thats not a big thingy

only applies to double blade schimitar i think

[mystic sequoia]

I was thinking on full on removing monk weapons and give them the tasha feature

Where they choose one weapon to be great at

[torpid bronze]

Oh I like that

I really wanna be a Darth maul inspired dbs monk tbh

Just need a feature to let you flurry with a weapon as well but that'd be good for a sub class

[mystic sequoia]

@crystal thistle @strong orchid @idle meteor @humble notch @glacial cove @patent pecan If y'all have the time, I'd appreciate if someone checked my Psy monk, inspired by the 4e one

https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/_GWF_ewH8Zi4

[crystal thistle]

Gang Rise up

I’ll check over while getting dinner

[mystic sequoia]

Much appreciated

[glacial cove]

I might have the time after I kill myself

They say you get plenty of time then

[humble notch]

So. uhh. my basic reading of the "Inner Focus" thing is...that it doesn't work really?

like, 4 points that regen on a per turn basis I'm entirely fine with. Think that's fine.
But...you can't really spend more than 2, at least so far.

Everything initially given relies on bonus actions, so you can only ever do one of the things.

And this applies to most of the latter features as well; besides one which is reaction (at 3 cost, so relies on you only spending 1 point on your previous turn), and an Action (at 4 cost, so unable to do any of the bonus action things alongside it).

so...the points don't really come into it at all...

[mystic sequoia]

Its a hard mechanic to translate, ye

any suggestion on how to do it?

the limited action system of 5e feels really limiting for stuff like this

[humble notch]

I just wouldn't use bonus actions, I guess. Or at least not so heavily. Use only the point costs to limit actions that can be performed.

[mystic sequoia]

more action techniques?

[humble notch]

somewhat, but more just.... No action requisite for some. Just you spend the points and do it.

[mystic sequoia]

more stuff like that?

[humble notch]

well that one's tied to the attack action still.

more like; 2 psy points: You gain the benefits of the dodge action.
Sort of stuff.

[mystic sequoia]

Ok but then you get into stuff like you're basically taking actions for free

how strong can they be?

[humble notch]

It'd basically just be comparing the total Stuff you can do on a turn.

Like, suppose the costs remain the same, flurry, dodge, and your attack. Then you're out of points.
Compare that to a Rogue's at will damage and stuff, compare to fighter's, to warlocks.

Adjust point values and actions till they are in line while offering you the ability to do some unique stuff and for there to be turn-based resource management to cosnider.

The alternative to me, would be to just remove Psy Points entirely, since they basically don't do much as things stand.

like, you could remove the resource and the class almost entirely functions the same. Which...just screams that it doesn't really work right now.

[mystic sequoia]

Will work on that

Thxs

[crystal thistle]

-The table says Martial Arts instead of Psy Arts
-Psy Arts needing you to not wear armor nor have a shield extremely hurts Multiclassing
-Monk weapons isnt in the class Table
-Why is Inner Focus not a 1st level Feature? it is the core of the entire class and what makes it really different from the rest so why leave it for 2nd level? it's like if Wizards got Spellcasting at 2nd
-Flurry of Blows is already a thing in Psy Arts, or am I missing smth?
-Patient Defense would be better if instead of dodge was disengange and costed 1 Psy. or this could be a different Technique Nvm now read Unarmored Movement, nice
-School of Thoughts is nice Utility I like it
-wait Deflect Missiles is Monk Level + Dex mod + Wis Mod? that may need some wording it sounds weird
-You completely ignored the Monastic Tradition feature lol
-Not sure abt the flavour of healing your allies?
-idk how useful really is Enduring Warrior??? How often are those kind of saving throws a thing?
-Not sure abt the flavour of Champion's Aura?
-I like Defensive Flourish
-does Psy Empowered Strikes affect Monk Weapons?
-Not a fan of Stillness of Mind being nerfed from an Action to having to spend Psy points
-Phylosophy. Fight the Current. Sounds very powerful idk abt it
-I reaaaally like Step of the Walking Storm
-Defensive Barriage doesnt have a limit
-Tongue of the Sun and Moon, while just a ribbon, feels like it can break certain games. Idk
-I can understand using Sillness of Mind on another creature being behind resource barrier thats fine
-Timeless Body basically makes you eternal lol
-Empty Body; Perfect Mind would feel better as a capstone at 20th, but I guess you are doing OneDND Progression? Which is now back to 20th level capstones lol

[mystic sequoia]

Will correct the formatting errors

The psy techniques changed a bit

now they are add-ons

For deflect missiles I'm ussing the new onednd wording

I like it, I think its neat

[crystal thistle]

well I dont, it's too natural

[mystic sequoia]

I mean, many nasty high level creatures grapple on a hit

[crystal thistle]

💀 Faye idk what are you replying to with that

[mystic sequoia]

Pff

tru

the enduring warrior slander

These are the changed arts of battle

[humble notch]

this is why you should number your points

[mystic sequoia]

they now build upon your 2nd level features

so you can take low cost features or empower the ones you can already use

or, that's the idea

[crystal thistle]

ok that makes more sense now

[mystic sequoia]

Also applied the changes to the advanced techniques

I do need to clarify that you add the costs together

[crystal thistle]

you do?

uhhh tell me when V2 is done so I can reread lol

[mystic sequoia]

Done

You may check v2

[crystal thistle]

💀 ill check later busy now

[glacial cove]

Hey guys, just wanted to share a random thought

Armor made of plushies

[mystic sequoia]

It truly is a random thought

Reminds me of the armor made from babies

Where you strap babies to you

And noone will want to hit you

[crystal thistle]

[idle meteor]

do you want to see it?

Cos I made it for 5e

[mystic sequoia]

yes

[mystic sequoia]

I love it

[idle meteor]

actually, looking at it I should move the flavour bit at the end

I feel like this fits better?

[crystal thistle]

it should have stealth disadvantage or flat reduction

[torpid bronze]

Noooo they're gonna get hurt :(((( help them

[mystic sequoia]

https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/keOeEjDSj0Tc

@native osprey

[wispy oasis]

Is it complete, or no?

I may or may not use this for myself lol

[mystic sequoia]

Yes

It should be

[mystic sequoia]

Feel free to, its very fun and takes a weight out your shoulders as a dm

You don't have to plan while you sit and watch turns go by, you can actually react in real time

Creatures with leg action get 2 more AP per leg action

[wispy oasis]

I’d credit you, of course.

[chilly orbit]

this is not a template

[mystic sequoia]

That was the name of the template I copied to make the thiny

Thingy

Blank class template, I use it cuz it's on an older version of the homberewery or smth and works better for me

[chilly orbit]

ahh

[mystic sequoia]

@idle meteor I've a question about adventuring days

[idle meteor]

I might have an answer

[mystic sequoia]

Basically, i want to use the "recommended" encounters per day, but making it over many days instead of a singular day

And using the extended rest rules

How many days you think I should assume before a long rest?

A long rest would take 3 days, as of now

Cuz if you have it limited to a single day its easier, a long rest should happen every night or smth like that

So, you know that every ~14 hours, the party is going to long rest

[idle meteor]

I have it at a week, with max 1 per week

so it's ~7 days between

[mystic sequoia]

So

3 days of adventuring, 3 days of rest?

[idle meteor]

prolly

[mystic sequoia]

With the limit that you can take 1 long rest each 3 days

[idle meteor]

cos mine is this overall.
A normal long-rest is 1/d (24 hour period), but then in extended, you're not always doing stuff so it... should work out.

but if you're doing like

3 day

might be worth ~1 week overall