Faye's a bit of Everything

[crystal thistle]

haven’t checked tbh

i’ll give it a look on a moment

gotta get dinner first

i just woke up from a nap lmao

[mystic sequoia]

Isn't it pretty late??

Well ig its like

19 for you?

20?

[crystal thistle]

yea

and?

[crystal thistle]

21

[mystic sequoia]

fair point

I've just had lunvh

like, an hour ago so

[mystic sequoia]

@idle meteor you're old in this server, question, do you know what the biggest forum was?

[idle meteor]

🤷

mine had most people in

I think Izzies grid+ or something might have had most posts

[mystic sequoia]

Cuz I'm aiming to break the record

For most messages

[glacial cove]

You're on a good roll

[mystic sequoia]

We're on that 3k creep

Might get it within a month

Then I'll do a giveaway

[torpid bronze]

Of 20 dollar Fortnite card?

[mystic sequoia]

I feel like that only works for u

[fiery needle]

Ur already at 3k

[idle meteor]

it's cos more than half is either just, genchat, or shitposting

[fiery needle]

Holy christ wait

Mine has 2,700

Lmfao

[idle meteor]

sameissue

arcos too to a lesser degree

[fiery needle]

Actually im pretty sure most of mine arent shitposting xD

If we combine both of my forums im at 3100

[idle meteor]

like, mines 404.
Buuuuuuuuuuuuut at the same time, that's pretty much entirely on top in brew response, and I've been posting less shit cos its' like...
THe crap Im working on right now just doesnt need feedback.
It's boring, and effectively data entry and formatting

it's so teeeedious

[mystic sequoia]

I bet most of the 3k messages are me and arco

[mystic sequoia]

If we get to 5k messages by tomorrow I'll gift @torpid bronze a 100 dollar fortnite giftcard!

/j

[torpid bronze]

Lmao

[fiery needle]

lmfao

Ok im now realizing

I spam alot of my messages/break them up into multiple

So i have less messages with actual content

[mystic sequoia]

Same

I send too many messages like hmm

Like this

[fiery needle]

Lmfao

Yeah

SHIT I DID IT AGAIN

[autumn crown]

artificially inflated message count

[crystal thistle]

this is why the economy is how it is

[torpid bronze]

Lmao that's how we all talk

[glacial cove]

Can we make it to 1k messages only about how much messages this and other threads have?

[torpid bronze]

💀

We can do it if we try only if we try

[glacial cove]

That's a lot of words, but not as many as this thread's message count

[mystic sequoia]

How does this look? @crystal thistle @fiery needle @torpid bronze @idle meteor

[idle meteor]

where's the core stage rules?

(also cos been in and out... and not sure if saif before... "stage" just feels weird as a mechanic name in general, despite being functional)

[mystic sequoia]

A sec

[mystic sequoia]

This is where you get the Stage info

Its a class feature added to those levels

Here's how it appears under Class Features

[idle meteor]

Might I suggest Grades

[mystic sequoia]

What about Rank?

Rank 1 properties

Class 1 properties

[idle meteor]

class is right out

overlapping terms

[mystic sequoia]

Fair, had some players confused about "levels" being for both classes and spells

had to re-teach a player the whole system cuz he thought you casted spells at the level you were at

So he had 3rd level spells at 3rd level

[idle meteor]

the thing for me, is this is a level of proficiency.
Rank is more... like structured? and I don't think it fits.
But a Grade is a thing in martial arts already, so the connotations are there

[mystic sequoia]

I do like grade

So, about the propety itself, is it fine?

[idle meteor]

Either Grade 1, 2, 3, 4
or 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th Grade
I like that latter, but either is fine.

Mechanically I don't like the scaling

I feel like it should match tiers as will other things, so 5th, 11th, 17th
4th, 8th, 14th feels odd, an I feel like banding it by tier will allow for easier balancing.
Rather than 2 in Tier 1, 1 in Tier 2, and 1 in Tier 3

[idle meteor]

as to this...
I feel like there should probably be a save involved for the speed reduction.

for 2, I feel like that is huge, especially without a save.
That'd be 3d6, 3d8 or 3d10, just - get hit, if move, take a 1st level spell of damage

3 is... sort of vague, and arrow is not very large in the grand scheme of things

[mystic sequoia]

1, Fair
2, I might turn it down to a single damage die
3, I'm working on how to word it

cuz I also have guns

So, it wouldn't work with bullets

but ye with arrows and spears

[fiery needle]

Oooo i like

[glacial cove]

The duality of brewers

[mystic sequoia]

Make it a triforce, what do you think?

[glacial cove]

Like the effects, not the numbers

Not the tier 2 at least

[mystic sequoia]

Changed the numbers

[glacial cove]

And tier 1 lasting until the end of your next turn

[mystic sequoia]

New numbers

[glacial cove]

Cause at that point doesn't seem like it will matter

[mystic sequoia]

What do ya mean?

[fiery needle]

5 ft doesnt do much i think is what Seba is saying

[mystic sequoia]

10 is too much tho, thats why the invocation exists

[fiery needle]

Invocation?

[glacial cove]

No, what I meant is, the enemy is unlikely to use its movement during your turn

And those that do I would assume are ones with Legendary actions or some very unique ability

So, for it to last more than a round seems excesive.

Because, movement in this case, won't change a thing

[crystal thistle]

it will only matter if you are on top of the initiative or there is no enemy going before you, otherwise that means it’s useless with enemies that already took a turn

[mystic sequoia]

@fiery needle @glacial cove @crystal thistle

It says until the end of your next turn?

Not your current turn

[fiery needle]

Im aware

I dont know if they were

[mystic sequoia]

Oh, sorry, I thought you three were making the same point

[fiery needle]

Nono

I like it lols

[mystic sequoia]

The eldritch blast one

[crystal thistle]

oh wait, idk why i assumed it also resets at the end of round

[mystic sequoia]

Eldritch spear

[fiery needle]

This isnt for warlocks tho

This is for yknow

martials

[mystic sequoia]

all martials

that's the point

[fiery needle]

Martials should be able to cantrip fuck people just like warlocks

[mystic sequoia]

the warlocks thingy is good cuz of their specific progression

its not a cantrip

[fiery needle]

It was a comparison

Cantrip as in at will

[mystic sequoia]

Fair but, ain't invocations supposed to be like, 1st level spells- equivalent?

[fiery needle]

No?

I see these as equivalent to invocations

(Your stages)

[crystal thistle]

Invocations let you cast mage armor at will, so yea i would say invocations are compared to 1st level spells

[fiery needle]

I suppose

[mystic sequoia]

Looking for new properties ideas

I've ran out

I don't watch that much media

Don't know much about weapons also

[mystic sequoia]

Anything from castlevania to make a trained property?

[crystal thistle]

Alucard's floating sword

https://tenor.com/view/alucard-castlevania-unsheathe-draw-sword-gif-26288135

[mystic sequoia]

You've trained so much your sword floats?

[crystal thistle]

yea

[mystic sequoia]

Ok, how does lucario use it in combat?

Maybe we can work with that

[fiery needle]

Thats called my Battlemage, Spellforge, or my uh

Whats it called

Uh

Recaller

The recaller fighter

They do that shit

Its fun

[crystal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/yondu-udonta-guardians-of-the-galaxy-arrow-pissed-mad-gif-14102024

pretty much like this

[mystic sequoia]

I reworked the arcane archer tho

So, for that, you gotta play it

[crystal thistle]

also, I made this fighting style based on the druidic one that rangers get

[fiery needle]

I made one called Arcane Knight

2 Spellforge canty’s

[crystal thistle]

my sword can be a projectile?

[mystic sequoia]

Can you throw it?

[crystal thistle]

is there any rules saying that you can't throw a longsword?

[fiery needle]

I made my Recaller’s a thrown weapon

[mystic sequoia]

If it has the ranged propety

then ye

[fiery needle]

Want me to show u my recaller Faye?

[crystal thistle]

no fun

[mystic sequoia]

Ye, why not

[fiery needle]

One mome

[mystic sequoia]

Have you read my weapons?

Cateyebrow

[fiery needle]

I did a bit ago

[crystal thistle]

@mystic sequoia just for the records, my Barbarian picked Cleave and Might

[mystic sequoia]

WHAT

YOURE PLAYING WITH THIS????

[crystal thistle]

my player playing a barbarian*

[mystic sequoia]

catblush

[crystal thistle]

I told you I was going to

[mystic sequoia]

I have no memory of anything more than 1 day ago

[torpid bronze]

based

remebering more than 24 hrs a time is suffering

[mystic sequoia]

I'm built like a goldfish

Specially cuz just watched spider man movie

[crystal thistle]

yummy

[mystic sequoia]

I'm on that psoderman barinrot

[torpid bronze]

oh god

did u like it

i loved that movie

[mystic sequoia]

I've watched it twice now

[torpid bronze]

Trans gwen trans gwen (this is from the trailer)

[crystal thistle]

refrain yourself from spoilers

[mystic sequoia]

Its easily one of my fav movies of all times

[mystic sequoia]

Protect trans kids!!

[torpid bronze]

🏳️‍⚧️

[mystic sequoia]

The flag sayd that, right?

[torpid bronze]

yeah

[crystal thistle]

🏳️‍⚧️ s

[torpid bronze]

!!

[mystic sequoia]

I didn't see wrong

[torpid bronze]

and her dad dad has a trans pin and she has a trans pin on her jacket or bag or smth

[mystic sequoia]

I will refrain from spoiling it

I'll sent it as a spoiler

[mystic sequoia]

||But her character arc is also very like, trans coded??||

[torpid bronze]

||oh yeah fr fr and her costume, and the colors in the scene where she has the like climax of her arc||

[mystic sequoia]

||Also, Spiderpunk and Pavitr best characters??||

[torpid bronze]

omg yesssss

sorry i will not spoil 😶

[mystic sequoia]

We silent

[glacial cove]

Yes, I know

[crystal thistle]

[mystic sequoia]

Tell your player that they owe me 5 bucks if they like it

have they played w it??

[crystal thistle]

not yet, also they are brand new people so they dont have any point to compare with lol

[mystic sequoia]

My newbie players are also playing w me properties

[glacial cove]

Idk if this matters, but the one thing I didn't find excessive was the once per turn 10 speed reduction. What I did find excessive was it lasting until the end of your next turn, because it was pretty meaningless.

Also, for stage 3, you could use the approach of being pinned to a wall. You at least need to specify to what you are grappled against, otherwise sounds like the monster could just be shoved or moved and still be grappled.

[torpid bronze]

it going to the end of your next turn means its always a full round slow no?

[glacial cove]

But then again, how likely is it going to move during your next turn? I know the effect is weaker to stun and the like, personally I reduced that kind stuff to the start of your turn. But those do play an effect on your turn, unlike less speed.

I don't think the duration is weak nor strong, not game breaking or anything, it's just I ask "why? what's the point?"

[torpid bronze]

It's like the warlock invoc, it helps you stay away from ppl chasing you who don't have ranged attacks

[glacial cove]

It's not like stacking will do anything either, aside from the rules of same name effects not stacking, but unless it moves on your turn, it's not going to affect it, and the stack would end at the end of your turn

[glacial cove]

Which one? Pushing one?

[torpid bronze]

The one that slows by 10 feet

[glacial cove]

I don't recall it, what's its name?

[torpid bronze]

Lance of Lethargy

Had to double check the name lol

[glacial cove]

Yeah, that's weird, considering other stuff like the Sentinel or Slasher feats, and the Cavalier's Hold the Line would last much less.

[mystic sequoia]

Just came back

So

I don't understand your critique

it lasts until the end of your next turn

meaning that the creature will always get a turn before you go

in that turn, the creature has less movement

[glacial cove]

Yes, key word being END of YOUR next turn, I already explained why that's weird. Not a problem balance wise or anything. I already explained why it makes noise. I mentioned other abilities that have the same effect as a comparison, check out their duration.

I checked the EI that it's based on, that thing also makes noise to me.

I guess it's not so much of a critique, it just makes noise to me

[mystic sequoia]

I genuinely don't understant why that wording bothers you so much?

What about it makes noise?

To ya

[glacial cove]

Like I said before, during your next turn it won't have any effect, even if it can stack. Only on very rare occasions a monster would be able to move outside of its turn. If it stacks, the stack disappears when your turn ends, otherwise it resets the duration which already was going to happen.

Like I said many times, that extended duration is pointless to me. It won't matter during your next turn, the turn of your allies or other enemies, it's just there and we won't bother with it. Mainly AFTER the affected creature's turn.

That's what I'm saying, yet you keep answering me with that line (the one I'm answering), missing the point of what I'm saying. Because you could have said "until the start of your next turn" or "the end of the creature's next turn." So really, all I wanted to know is, what difference does it make to make it last until THE END OF YOUR NEXT TURN, what does it add? what makes it special? what are you planning? do you just like it best? Is it because of enemies that move outside of their turn? That's what's been bugging me.

[mystic sequoia]

Oh shit, I totally understand what you mean now

In short, it says "until the end of your next turn" because I have some effects thought that cause the creature to move during your turn

also, it also has in mind those niche but existing features that allow a creature to move during your turn

[glacial cove]

I see, then the ability is fine

[torpid bronze]

would "until the end of your next turn" be the turn after the turn you've attacked it

so it last for a full round

[mystic sequoia]

Yep

[torpid bronze]

so it would impact the monster moving on its own turn

[mystic sequoia]

But, if it can move during your turn, it also affetcs it

[torpid bronze]

yeah

[glacial cove]

I always understood your round like between turn starts.

[mystic sequoia]

Like idk, some rogue subclasses

[glacial cove]

Like Shield

[torpid bronze]

im not actually sure

[mystic sequoia]

I think there's one that allows you to move when a creature fails an attack against you

or smth

[torpid bronze]

but i mean it'll last a full run down of the initiative list

[glacial cove]

Yup

Like, that wasn't an issue at all, it was the ongoing confusion

[torpid bronze]

ooo

lmao

[glacial cove]

I thought the ability was fine even with a -10 to speed. The 2nd tier is good with only 1 damage die (although I think you can reduce wording by just saying the creature loses a number of hit points equal to one roll of your weapon's damage die). And I don't remember what the third one does aside from the 0 speed

[mystic sequoia]

It grapples

if theprojectile is considered "big enough"

Dm discression

Like, an arrow or a spear

but not a bullet

[glacial cove]

Oh, right. Yeah, I already mentioned that it would be nice if it worked only against solid walls, or at least clarify what you are grappled against. Cause otherwise it meas a creature can move or push you and you are still grappled.

[mystic sequoia]

I mean, yeah

if you have an arrow on your foot

and they push you away

you still have an arrow on your foot

[glacial cove]

It makes sense your speed would still be 0, but not grappled. Because the way I understand it, you would need to be pinned to something to be grappled... which actually doesn't add much vs the 0 speed.

I could be unaware of something, because I haven't read the whole doc.

[mystic sequoia]

You can actually move and still be grappled

[glacial cove]

But doesn't grapple set your speed to 0?

[mystic sequoia]

Grapple can be holding your hand iirc

I mean, if someone or something is grappling you, it can move with you

But

your speed dropping to 0 is better

thanx for that

[glacial cove]

Yes, the grappler can move with you, but the grappled is unable to move at all, except for teleportation.

Or you could create a big hole on the ground so both of you fall

[mystic sequoia]

Bunni, I want to make some spiderverse fanart but can't choose one blorbo

Do you have a suggestion?

[torpid bronze]

hmm

idk i love them all sm

[mystic sequoia]

I've considered reworking grapple

[torpid bronze]

Hobie one of my favs tho

[mystic sequoia]

As part of this weaponry rework

[mystic sequoia]

Hobie the goat, agreed

maybe I do some hobie art

and some Miguel art for twitter

[glacial cove]

The solution is always Kirby, wearing everyone's hat

Or an amorphous blob with everyone's head

[crystal thistle]

btw, I think Stab sucks

[mystic sequoia]

WHAT

How dare you

why?????????

[crystal thistle]

it requires You AND your enemy to not move?

[mystic sequoia]

Ok, as a melee and in a melee ridden mm

[crystal thistle]

ig i understand that it’s like you are holding in
but
You can get stab in crossbows

[mystic sequoia]

most monsters don't move when you engage with them

[crystal thistle]

also probably one class that wants stab is Rogues
rogues want to move

[crystal thistle]

uh, I was pretty sure it was in Light crossbows

[mystic sequoia]

Thats cuz that's the old stab

now named

uhh

[crystal thistle]

well that explains it

[mystic sequoia]

aim

[mystic sequoia]

Stab plays with grapple

no rogues would want stab

Fighters, barbs, bh and monks maybe

[crystal thistle]

also I gave BH Impervious instead of Appaling, BHs start with scale mail armor

[mystic sequoia]

fair assestment, tho they do need appalling aviable to them

[crystal thistle]

Vax’ildan from Critical Role literally having “stab stab stab” as one of his iconic phrases

[mystic sequoia]

Never watched c1

[crystal thistle]

I disagree, but that’s bc I still don’t understand appalling

[mystic sequoia]

Its based on how the description of hide armor is literally

this armor is nasty, smells awful and is made from gross skin

usually worn by evil humanoids

[crystal thistle]

I repeat, it makes no sense, if you are fighting a Hydra it makes no sense to get grossed or scared of you

[mystic sequoia]

That's appaling

[crystal thistle]

just bc your armor is make of hides

[mystic sequoia]

Ig I can change it to humanoids

but, that cuts many interactions

with beasts n such

[crystal thistle]

barbarians are humanoids

[mystic sequoia]

Its not just the armor tho

you have to also deal damage

the point being that the armor is just a factor

[crystal thistle]

so why’s the property in the armor? it makes no sense

[mystic sequoia]

how hard you hit being the intimidation

[mystic sequoia]

Bc hide armor says its gross and I wanted to play w that

That's literally the only reason

[crystal thistle]

gross is pretty subjective

[mystic sequoia]

I don't even like the property that much

[crystal thistle]

I think it’s totally fine if you don’t give Hide any property

who even wears hide tbh?

[mystic sequoia]

Yeah, fair

This crude armor consists of thick furs and pelts. It is commonly worn by barbarian tribes, evil humanoids, and other folk who lack access to the tools and materials needed to create better armor.

I wasn't paying attention to the last part

my bad

I'll make hide thick

What about the new 2?

volley and knockout

I need to work on knockout's last stage

but the general idea is there

[glacial cove]

Because backwards it's spelled Bats, and there's only one man afraid of bats

[crystal thistle]

Knockout feels like too many dice rolls

what has Volley?

[mystic sequoia]

Its hard to try and translate knocking a creature out to 5e

[glacial cove]

But I wanna play the spy from TF2

[humble notch]

(Just a note regarding -10 speed,

Ray of Frost, is generally -15 speed but often more. So 10 is quite fine.)

[crystal thistle]

just give it disadvantage instead of rolling a d4 and substracting

[mystic sequoia]

There's a property that does that alreadyyyyyy

[mystic sequoia]

Oh hey, welcome

[mystic sequoia]

tw, if you're going to check this mess out, don't scroll up the convo

there are many discussions of sensitive topics

[crystal thistle]

then get rid of knockout?

[mystic sequoia]

But I want to be able to knock people out????

Maybe If I use the sleep spell as reference?

[crystal thistle]

that is not what this property is currently doing
At least in stage 1

[mystic sequoia]

Should it be able to do it from stage 1?

[humble notch]

Ive been lurking from outside occasionally. Yall dumbasses

But yeah; cantrip riders are your best measuring stick for L1 traits.

[crystal thistle]

idk balance wise, but if you want it to be knocking people out, yea

also why is it easier for them to succeed stage 3 than stage 1

[mystic sequoia]

Cuz you can spam them?

The idea is to never limit an ability to being lr or sr

so, they need a very weird balancing technique

Called fuck around and find out

[mystic sequoia]

Catthumbsup

[crystal thistle]

well, this i dont like it, I would make em both DC 10 in that case

and Stage 1 I assume you mean like slighly dazing people like a small stun that may make em fail their attack, I think the best way to go abt that is disadvantage not an additional dice roll

[mystic sequoia]

Ashley, do you have any ideas on how to make a knockout mechanic from lower levels?

[crystal thistle]

also Stage 2 has like nothing to do with the rest of the property

[mystic sequoia]

Ok, what if

"If the creature you hit has les Hit point remaining than (idk) half your Strength score, it is knocked unconcious for a round"

then stage 2 is your full strength score

[glacial cove]

Which traits are we comparing?

[crystal thistle]

I dont dislike that

[glacial cove]

(however...)

[mystic sequoia]

We are polishing Knockout

[mystic sequoia]

It balances itself

at 1- 4 levels, we assume what? 16 str?

So, you can knock unconcious a 8 Hp creature

[crystal thistle]

is there a difference between falling unconscious and falling to 0HP?
should you need to specify somewhere?

[mystic sequoia]

The idea is to leave less wiggle room as to what attacks can be lethal or not

[mystic sequoia]

You can be unconcious and have hp left

that's what sleep does

and long resting, also

for most folk

[crystal thistle]

goblins have 7HP

[glacial cove]

Have you considered ordering the properties in alphabetical order?

[mystic sequoia]

I would simply die

Fuck the alphabet anyways

My keyboard has qwerty as the first letters anyway

its all made up

[crystal thistle]

order them in that order

[mystic sequoia]

... keyboard order?

[glacial cove]

Write every property with random letters

[mystic sequoia]

qwertyuiopasdfghjklñzxcvbnm

Arco

should I make a ñ property?

[crystal thistle]

your keyboard has ñ?

[glacial cove]

My favorite letter

[humble notch]

What do you currently have?

[crystal thistle]

idk a single word that starts with ñ...

[mystic sequoia]

"If the creature you hit has les Hit point remaining than (idk) half your Strength score, it is knocked unconcious for a round"
then stage 2 is your full strength score

[glacial cove]

Good heavens it's not a chinese keyboard

[mystic sequoia]

The ideas on the doc are a mess

[mystic sequoia]

Ñandu

[glacial cove]

Ñáñaras

[crystal thistle]

I have never seen a keyboard with ñ, not even spanish ones

[humble notch]

Right then. So starting from scratch. This is about bonking someone on the head, yes?

[mystic sequoia]

yes

with blunt weapons

As to avoid any arguments on what attacks can be nonlethal

[crystal thistle]

do your fist count?

[mystic sequoia]

Yes

[glacial cove]

The fun thing about this ability is that it gives you a tool to finish a combat peacefully or just fucking end it already.

[mystic sequoia]

The idea is anything that deals bludgeoing damage

[mystic sequoia]

I can use this

[crystal thistle]

what about Tabaxi and Leonins?

[mystic sequoia]

You can knockout via Blood loss ig

But that's another can of worms

[glacial cove]

I'll never get tired of the trope that argentinians can turn any food into an insult

[glacial cove]

I mean, if you can lift one of them, then go ahead

[humble notch]

Conditions are your friend. New Conditions, specifically.

I would recommend either the Dazed condition from Oned&d, or my Off-Balance or Flinched condition. For the first tier.

For the second, I would apply incapacitated.

For the third, I would go with "If target has <30 hp, unconscious"

[mystic sequoia]

The dazed condition at level 1 seems a bit too strong to be at-will

For the second one, Incapacitated would work, yep

[humble notch]

- A flinched creature cannot use reactions or bonus actions.
- If a creature is using its concentration when it gains the flinched condition, it loses its concentration. ```

[mystic sequoia]

For the third one, there are some abilities that I've made that already work off your Class level, that might work

For reference, stage 1 is level 1, stage 2 level 4 and 3 level 8

[mystic sequoia]

I really like this one

[humble notch]

The reason I suggest 30, is that it's essentially a max crit with a 12-point weapon. It would be instead of dealing damage, though.

[glacial cove]

I was gonna say stage 3 of KO could be the unconscious lasting 1 min

[humble notch]

Unconscious as is does just allow an enemy to wake them up using their action. Which i think is somewhat healthy.

Or rather, most things that do unconsciousness do that.

[mystic sequoia]

I can add a clause against that

maybe it requires a medicine check

To wake them up

[glacial cove]

You mean it like something good or bad? I think it's good

[humble notch]

No, I mean that just being an action is a Good thing.

[humble notch]

really awkward levelling. Why?

[mystic sequoia]

Asi

[glacial cove]

By that point I would say it's fine, specially since you can probably KO more enemies than how many they can wake up

[mystic sequoia]

The og idea was tiers

But thats a big level gap imo

[humble notch]

Yeah, I definitely feel it should be either tiers or Proficiency. ASIs is super awkward and frontloaded.

[idle meteor]

I stand by grade, and tiers.
doing it by ASI makes for weird power jumps.
And, by rights it means that the 2nd ones still all have to be T1 bound which means lower budget hoenstly

[idle meteor]

the thing to consider is time gap =/= level gap

[mystic sequoia]

I agree, but I'm also thinking that you should be able to use your tier 3 weapons while the game is still going

[crystal thistle]

That is my doing

[humble notch]

Highly disappointed in you.

[mystic sequoia]

and currently, most games don't go high enough to make the better properties have a long lifespan

[glacial cove]

I can sympathize with that

[idle meteor]

I mean... t3 would only be 11 - 1 = 1st, 2 = 5th 3rd = 11th.

[idle meteor]

the singular source that says that though, is an estimate based on character sheet levels made on beyond.
That's it

[crystal thistle]

it's easier to keep track of their leveling if the leveleing feature just says "Every time you get to a level where you gain an ability score improvement" or whatever those tasha's optional features say

[mystic sequoia]

I mean, my experience has been that way

[glacial cove]

But 8th level is 3 levels lower

[humble notch]

And an entire different tier of power, which fucks up your power scale quite a bit

[mystic sequoia]

Afaik, the people I know and I've played with all share not having gotten past level 14

With a few exceptions if you count high level oneshots

[glacial cove]

Lucky you, all my games die before 5th

[humble notch]

I retract my suggestions based on the levels you give.

[mystic sequoia]

Fair, I'd be willing to change the levels honestly

My biggest fear is just, people not getting to enjoy the higher level abilities

But, if that's a no-problem

[idle meteor]

ok, but here's the thing with that.
Cleave for example.
1, is honestly too much for a 1st level thing - just, hit everything for pb damage feels too much at least.
This is (from what I've seen) going to be one of 3+ abilities.

Then, further still, 2, is WAY too much for a 4th level ability.
Even with a save, it'd a LOT.

And the Stage 3, is certainly not really an 8th level feature.

[glacial cove]

The only counter argument to that would be it gives them something to look forward to reaching those higher levels

[crystal thistle]

worth mentioning
it doesnt automatically levels up, you have to choose to level it up from all your known properties

[idle meteor]

That's a running theme with these too - most of this stuff just happens.
You hit a creature, then thing happens, and most of those things aren't especially balanced for at will, and don't require a save, when they should really require a save

[humble notch]

The same is ultimately true of all highe level features. Front loading everything isn't a good approach to things, cause if it is properly balanced for the tiers; Now when you do reach higher levels; you just get outpaced by the others getting things that are actually designed for the full longevity of the game.

[crystal thistle]

that'll slow down the game, too many saves all the turns

[mystic sequoia]

Still working on that

[crystal thistle]

I thought you copied what I did?

[mystic sequoia]

I did, then I didn't

[crystal thistle]

you traitor

[idle meteor]

???
The properties auto level at the next from what I saw

[humble notch]

(I do think that not applying a save is valid; provided that the first level stuff in particular is balanced around Cantrip Riders - which do just apply their things on hit)

[crystal thistle]

yea, that's not what my version looks like, and i think Faye had copied my version lol

[idle meteor]

yeah, no save means the effects need to be minor

[idle meteor]

that's what faye put up as the rules lie, 14 hours ago or something

[mystic sequoia]

Noted

[idle meteor]

.

[crystal thistle]

This was my proposed feature

[idle meteor]

honestly, I feel like it'd work out better if it was like baby feats.

it'd streamline it too honestly

[crystal thistle]

I wouldnt want to use my feat slots in this things, I like em being tied to weapons and smth you just know

[idle meteor]

I said baby feats

gimme

gimme a sec

[crystal thistle]

a sec

[humble notch]

I do feel that minor is given a wider berth to cantrips than most people feel martials can get though.

I basically feel that 0.5th level spells is a reasonable place, as long as there is some cost attached (which includes the weapon having a cost)

[idle meteor]

yeah, in some ways, but also because cantrips have ~30-40% less damage than weapon attacks on average

So instead of gestures, you'd have:
At 1st level you get X trained abilities things from your list, or just... any, whichever
Like rogue was 3.

Then you'd have say,
Cleave I
Cleave II (prereq cleave i)
Cleave III (prereq cleave ii)
Cleave IV (prereq cleave iii)
Stabtastica I
Stabtastica II (prereq stabtastica i)
Stabtastica III (prereq stabtastica ii)
Stabtastica IV (prereq stabtastica iii)
Flipidoodle I
Flipidoodle II (prereq flipidoodle i)
Flipidoodle III (prereq flipidoodle ii)
Flipidoodle IV (prereq flipidoodle iii)
etc

Then at if this is now a mini-feat system, it makes more sense at any ASI level tbh, you get +2 more
or 4 more, whatever you choose.
It could be standardised, it could be case-by-case

you can then also have combo-abilities

like Cleavidoodle (prereq Cleave II, Flipidoodle II)

[mystic sequoia]

It does look like it becomes more

chunky

[crystal thistle]

how is this any different from how it already is?????
are you just untying it from the weapons?

[mystic sequoia]

If instead of a small paragraph-sized bite you get every feature as its own

[idle meteor]

no, its still tied to weapons

the big changes would be uh

this becomes "you get X things at levels, must meet prerequisites"

and then Cleave is like

[crystal thistle]

I’m still not understanding how is this different from the current system tbh?

[idle meteor]

it doesnt auto level

and you get to mix and match a bit more

[mystic sequoia]

Its more like what arco had suggested

[idle meteor]

so say you want 3 1st things

[mystic sequoia]

where you pick whicn one to level

Iiuc

[idle meteor]

then at level up, you don't auto get 3 2nds, and a new 1st.
You pick, and could do 1 2nd, and 3 new 1sts

sorta shit

[crystal thistle]

Ovion, could you walk us through this as an example?

[idle meteor]

So, as an example

You learn a number of Trained Skills when you gain an ability score improvement, determined by your class.
You must meet the prerequisites of the Trained Skill to learn it.

Cleave

Weapons. Any Two-Handed Melee, Whips
Cleave I. WORDS
Cleave II. Prequisites: 4th level, Cleave I. WORDS
Cleave III. Prequisites: 4th level, Cleave II. WORDS
Cleave IIII. Prequisites: 8th level, Cleave III. WORDS

Impale

Weapons. Any piercing
Impale I. WORDS
Impale II. Prequisites: 4th level, Impale I. WORDS
Impale III. Prequisites: 4th level, Impale II. WORDS
Impale IIII. Prequisites: 8th level, Impale III. WORDS

Stabtastica

Weapons. Any piercing
Stabtastica I. WORDS
Stabtastica II. Prequisites: 4th level, Stabtastica I. WORDS
Stabtastica III. Prequisites: 4th level, Stabtastica II. WORDS
Stabtastica IIII. Prequisites: 8th level, Stabtastica III. WORDS

Shield Throw

Weapons. Any Shield
Shield Throw I. WORDS
Shield Throw II. Prequisites: 4th level, Shield Throw I. WORDS

Cleaving Throw

Weapons. Any Two-Handed Melee, Whips, Shields
Cleaving Throw I. Prequisites: 4th level, Cleave II, Shield Throw I. WORDS
Cleaving Throw II. Prequisites: 8th level, Cleaving Throw I. WORDS

[crystal thistle]

I- I’m sorry I do not understand what is the difference with the current system except that now you have to pick 1 property to level up

[idle meteor]

I didn't say 1

I said a number

[crystal thistle]

so, its even more exactly like what Faye already has?

[idle meteor]

so, say you have a barbarian.

they get a list of things.
or each thing has a list of classes, either or

barb gets, whatever - 2 base for this example

they take Cleave I and Shield Throw I

at 4th level, they get 2 more

they can choose to take Cleave II and Shield Throw II
or
They might shoose Cleave II and Cleaving Throw I

[crystal thistle]

ah I see

[idle meteor]

or, they might choose to just take Impale I and Stabtastica I

additionally, not everything has to follow a rigid 1, 2, 3 structure
It could be a single feature, it could be 5 levels of thing, 2, 3, 4
It could have no prereqs other than level, or require other things

just, opens the system up a bunch

[mystic sequoia]

1 2 3 structure was mostly convenience, I'd only have to think 3 features

[idle meteor]

nothing saying you have to do more

but you can also do less

[mystic sequoia]

1, the starting point, 2 tends to build upon 1, 3 is what the fantasy of the weapon truly is in my mind

[idle meteor]

yeah, which this does

you could also like.... fluff it up a bit more.
soooo

like "Enhanced Strike I, any weapon" or some shit
gives a +1 to something, or some crap, iunno
then you have
Enhanced Strike II, prerequ ES I, another + whatever
Fire Strike I, prereq ES I, weapon does fire damage w/ ignite rider when you choose to
Fire Strike II, prereq FSI, weapon also sets target on fire with a save prolly.
Poison Strike, Prereq ESI, weapon does poison if you choose, +1d4 damage or some shit if you do
Poison II, prereq, etc, save vs poisoned

These are all in the Enhanced Strike family

[crystal thistle]

I still like my “choose 1 to level up, or choose to learn a new one every ASI” system more

[idle meteor]

I mean, this is both

[crystal thistle]

yea, I like mine more bc it’s more restrictive and forced you to build on a specific direction, maybe in that case it would be better to have more than just =ASI

[idle meteor]

that's the thing for me - choice good.
Being able to choose to dedicate to 1 thing, or a bunch of little things is just... good design to me, I like doing that xD

[mystic sequoia]

I agree with this filosofia

[idle meteor]

I think I'm done editing this now xD

[crystal thistle]

I mean, I agree that more choice is good, but this just feels like it’s a power boost for no reason

haha me complaining abt power creeping

[idle meteor]

?

like, not anymore than the rest of it xD

you get the same amount of stuff, just more choice about it

[crystal thistle]

compared to my system of just picking 1 to level up or 1 to learn

[idle meteor]

oh yeah, but

eh

[humble notch]

(Translation; yours was dumb :P)

[idle meteor]

that's yours, this is this, and I'm working with whats infront of me

[idle meteor]

na, just, not what was presented

[crystal thistle]

at this point there is 3 systems in place here lol

[idle meteor]

contrary to what some people might think, I try to give advice based on the intent of the persons brew xD

[crystal thistle]

let’s goooo

[idle meteor]

and mechanically, I believe the suggestion I've done, achieves the same mechanical goal, a bit more succinctly, with a bit more choice and options to play around with

[idle meteor]

cos this, sounds a bit more...
not refined... not restrictive... its 3am... words bad.
It's a different baseline goal at least I think in terms of mechanic.
It's clear in function tho

[crystal thistle]

how’s yours more choice than Faye’s?

[crystal thistle]

being clear was part of the goal, that’s why i initially suggested to tie it to ASIs, so it’s clear when you’ll get a trained properties upgrade

[idle meteor]

fayes is pick Xx1 at 1st level
those X go to 2 at 4th, and pick Yx1
Then those X go to 2 at 8th, Y go to 2, pick Zx1

This is Pick X at 1st, 4th, 8th, etc - and the abilities determine what can be picked when, and you choose if you want to level something, or choose others.
It also opens up more options in making them, as the 'template' doesn't have that fixed 1,2,3, and you can mix and match stuff

but mechanically, you can still choose to level the ones you took at 1st to 2, and take 1x1

[mystic sequoia]

I'll review all presented ideas when I'm not sleep deprived

[crystal thistle]

so, never

[mystic sequoia]

When I'm less sleep deprived

[crystal thistle]

I personally like Faye’s Steps systems where you “level up” properties instead of this whole mini feats system
it feels like too much, I liked it being simple like Faye’s

[idle meteor]

wha.
It's the same system.
You're still leveling up the properties, and they're still properties xD

that's what the stages are

[crystal thistle]

yea i dont think im understanding what you propose like at all

[idle meteor]

just instead of the multiple paragraphs of "you get this at this, this at this"
It's "you pick a number of things"
and then you pick the things

If you want Cleave, you pick Cleave > Cleave 2 > Cleave 3

[crystal thistle]

so you are just changing wording?

[mystic sequoia]

Arco, can I get the picrew name of your pfp, I want one

[idle meteor]

wording, plus streamlining the mechanics, which also opens it up

cos with pre-reqs, instead of set-list-auto-level, it's picknumberofthing

[crystal thistle]

see, now this all makes a lot more sense, bc I was thinking you were presenting some new mix and match system thing and idk I was just extra confused

[crystal thistle]

looking

[mystic sequoia]

I like your approach a lot

cuz then

I can make a mix and match system

of

[crystal thistle]

Ovion has evolved to crab

[mystic sequoia]

I can then create stuff like

Cleave I + Brokerage I is either Cleave II and Bokerage I, vice versa

or

a secret, third thing

called Cleavage

Where you mix the two

[idle meteor]

ye

[mystic sequoia]

I love that for martials

[idle meteor]

and as above, things can branch within families

[crystal thistle]

Let me screenshot Faye's document really quick before this becomes too complicated for me to like

[idle meteor]

like Cleave could be the base

[mystic sequoia]

Arco, do you understand what this means?

prestige weapons

[idle meteor]

then split into like, Spins, or lines

[crystal thistle]

No

[mystic sequoia]

I'll move to a different docs

[crystal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thanks-thank-you-so-much-keanu-reeves-gif-21952233

[mystic sequoia]

This docs will stay

[idle meteor]

and like, Enhanced Weapon above, you can have it straight buff, or elemental damage sorta thing.

[crystal thistle]

or just give me the code and ill keep my own doc

[idle meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/gitgud-thepruld-git-gud-dark-gif-8126281

[mystic sequoia]

https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/RpT_wxSH-0ho

New docs

[crystal thistle]

can't wait till we get an actual good Souls TTRPG

[idle meteor]

anyway

[crystal thistle]

@mystic sequoia https://picrew.me/en/image_maker/684058

[idle meteor]

I need to shut a window

then pass out

nighto

[crystal thistle]

no dont make a new one cuz now you need this pinned lol

[mystic sequoia]

@teal oriole Can you also ping this one?

[idle meteor]

hahaha you pinged a rando

[mystic sequoia]

Ahhh

shit

sleep deprived, sorryyyyy

[crystal thistle]

just edit the old one and send me the code of the old one to priv

[idle meteor]

poor guy

gonna be all

"meep meep tf"

[mystic sequoia]

Done

No trace of the crime

[idle meteor]

edit will not ping

you'll need to ping now, then delete to make them think it was the OG ping

[mystic sequoia]

@teal oriole

[idle meteor]

and the original guy will look and be all "thefuckisgoingon, ghosts in this bitch"

or just assume the ping was deleted

you know

one of those

[mystic sequoia]

I will ignore your rules, for I have no shame about my mistakes

[crystal thistle]

Ovion go to bed buddy

[idle meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/spooky-boo-ghost-creepy-cute-gif-6238034

[mystic sequoia]

AHHH

omw

[crystal thistle]

That's what his dreams are like

[teal oriole]

got it

[mystic sequoia]

They don't have my hair

I'm so mad

I'll leave a bad review

@crystal thistle

[crystal thistle]

I thought you were someone else and I was like "Who the hell is this person?"

[mystic sequoia]

I could

impersonate you

[crystal thistle]

but you wont

[mystic sequoia]

Couldn't I?

Bet?

[crystal thistle]

bet

[mystic sequoia]

I'll do, but I'll give myself a scar

and be evil

[crystal thistle]

Ocra

[glacial cove]

It's the pan of wisdom

Clank, Clin clin clank

[mystic sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-the-pan-viralhog-playing-with-the-pan-turning-the-pan-gif-26489053

[mystic sequoia]

Arco

No "."

[glacial cove]

That's Cra in spanish

[crystal thistle]

what

[crystal thistle]

so fake

[mystic sequoia]

What?

I don't know what you're talking about

[crystal thistle]

ive got an admirer

[mystic sequoia]

catsip

I can't use emojis

I don't have permits

not after the accident

[mystic sequoia]

what

[glacial cove]

Who?

[mystic sequoia]

[glacial cove]

Gimme that juice

[crystal thistle]

no it mine

[mystic sequoia]

How do u have a coffin?

on your name

What

[glacial cove]

It's because the accident was your fault, and I won't let go

[crystal thistle]

hehe

[glacial cove]

I will haunt you forever

[mystic sequoia]

Not that way

hmm

[glacial cove]

hehhehe

[torpid bronze]

theres two Arcos now?

[mystic sequoia]

yep

Our neuros diverged, now we are two

[crystal thistle]

Idk what are you talking abt I only see one Arco

[glacial cove]

Of course there are two Arcos, one is wearing sunglasses, which makes him cooler

[chilly orbit]

where is the doc?

[glacial cove]

Pinned

[mystic sequoia]

Is the one that says clone magic and knives

[chilly orbit]

ahh kk

[mystic sequoia]

@idle meteor

Is this what you meant?

[idle meteor]

close enough for now

[mystic sequoia]

And your idea was to get each choice at

asi levels?

[idle meteor]

yeah

cos you were wanting a weapon specific pseudo-feat system

so you just, get to choose a number of trained properties you qualify for alongside ASIs

[glacial cove]

Did Ovion ever remember the name of the martial arts that trained you in street fighting?

Could it have been Lethwei?

[idle meteor]

I dont no.
But, like I said, it wasn't like, a 'proper' martial art, just elements were compared to one in particular.
The actual name was like "Practical Self Defence Combat Training" or some shit, but its been over 15 years, and the name was all buzzwordy like that.

[glacial cove]

Yesterday I was up all night watching "knife defense" videos

Where everything was summarized to "ded"

[mystic sequoia]

Ye

weapon stuff doesn't end well usually for the victim

Its really hard to defend yourself from someone whithout training in general

[idle meteor]

yar

like I said

the main effective way for dealing with an attacker is obviously, don't - run, and try to escape.
if you can't, you need to try and do the best you can with improvised defences, and focus on protecting vital points of your body.
And the best way to do it, is going to be sacrifice your arm

expect to get stabbed, and do your best to make sure it's your off arm, allowing you to disarm or disable the attacker, while their blade is stuck in or caught by your arm

[mystic sequoia]

The ribs are great for carching blades!

[idle meteor]

problem is, they're not guaranteed to.
And rather than 2 bones, meat and tendons behind your arm flesh, there's your heart and lungs if they get the hole xD

[mystic sequoia]

more stuff to stop the blade with

Its better than the stomach I bet

You usually don't wanna puncture all them soft organs

[idle meteor]

ideally, you want to avoid getting stuck in the torso at all

lower legs, forearms are really the only 'safe' places

[mystic sequoia]

is the jaw like, free game also?

the skull itself where the brain is isn't

but, you can always eat out a tube

[glacial cove]

I watched a Fillipino MA instructor, and watching him counter every grab, block and parry with his knife was entertaining, also shocking.

But that only leaves me thirsting for further learning how to counter it. Cause they say like "you have to go for the offensive" (or something), never showing what the best approach is.

And the guy defending has a face of pure terror and it's so funny

[glacial cove]

I had to picture someone learning to grab the blade with his ribs

[glacial cove]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-dxd-gif-13300617

Only if you can pull this off

[idle meteor]

it's cos there really isn't a best approach

just sorta

expect to get hurt, and do your best + hope

[mystic sequoia]

If you do learn to use weapons, stuff like guards become kinda useful

They are made to deflect blades and protect the fingers

[idle meteor]

well yeah, if you have armour, or a weapon too it's a different situation

fun fact - I used to live in a bad area, so wore makeshift bracers for... quite a while

you can buy children's/teens shin-guards, which are meant to take strikes from spiked shoes and stuff, which fit adult forearms pretty well

[glacial cove]

Yeah, that was the main point, which I understand, but when I say approach I mean where do you hit, where do you grab, how do I dodge, can you actually lock the arm.

Like, some people show going to grab the whole arm or grabbing the hand and keeping it far away (which the fillipino guy showed why that's not effective). I'm watching a lot of what not to do, I want to watch (an effective) what does work

[glacial cove]

Yeah, but that's expecting you would go out 24/7 with those on and somehow not catching attention

[idle meteor]

discord

why

nope

fuck you discord

[glacial cove]

Why not adult ones?

[idle meteor]

it's a png

[idle meteor]

cos they're designed for your legs, but you're putting em on your arms

[glacial cove]

Ah

[idle meteor]

most arm protection for sports is just padding, cos you normally get just... bopped with sticks or balls or whatnot

[glacial cove]

Wait, there aren't ones for arms?

[idle meteor]

the shinguards may have to deal with studs, bladed footwear, hard footwear kicks, and hitting like, metal pipes and shit if you run into barriers more, and heavier, so have padding + hard plates

[idle meteor]

see above

[mystic sequoia]

Like what sk8r use

[glacial cove]

I read late

[mystic sequoia]

They can end up w very nasty wounds in their legs compared to the arms

[glacial cove]

So I have to put skaters on my arms?

[idle meteor]

are you getting assaulted often?

[glacial cove]

That was meant as a joke

[glacial cove]

But this is a genuine concern I have

So it's more about what can I learn to prepare myself

Running isn't an option most of the time

Luckily I have been assaulted once, and once I had a weird confrontation with a drunkard

That time I just froze cause I didn't know what to do, unlike the time they pulled a gun on me

[idle meteor]

tbh, if it's something you know is coming, law enforcement or avoiding is going to be more beneficial.
This sort of thing would mean wearing this stuff all the time - it's not a case of just... having it there and putting it on when needed.

[glacial cove]

Crazy how collected I was at that time

And even more crazy, how they left without taking anything from me, they just gave me a warning

[idle meteor]

and it'll do roughly zero for stuff like this unfortunately

[glacial cove]

Yes, I hope I never react like that again

Fear is good, but not too much fear

[glacial cove]

Yeah, I would need to learn how to conceal it more than anything, but fuck it gets so hot in here. I can only think of shirts with sleeves and sweaters

[idle meteor]

what we're basically talking about, is low profile discreet body armour.
Wearing things that will be able to deflect, or reduce the impact of unarmed strikes, or light stabbing, under clothing that is slim enough to be hidden.
It does mean wearing a vest + long sleeved, usually button down shirts all the time too to conceal it too.
You sorta only do it if you explicitly know there's a risk of it.
The few months had to do it rather sucked, it isn't entirely comfy, and as soon as I could stop, I did

if you're yankeedoodle land or something, a lightweight ballistic and antistab undervest would probably be the play.

and these days, if I were in such a place again, I'd get a lightweight stab vest, as those are more available and affordable here now

looking, arm guards are too actually xD

mainly cut-resistant, but, subtler

[glacial cove]

Those look nice

https://youtu.be/W7awmQkDBgQ

I remembered this

[crystal thistle]

completely irrelevant
@mystic sequoia how would you translate Half-Plate to spanish?

[glacial cove]

Here still waiting for Half-Plate 3

[mystic sequoia]

Uhh

Plate is placa, right?

[glacial cove]

Yeah

[crystal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-mario-luigi-cavestory-gif-25993560

[glacial cove]

In the official manual a half plate is called media armadura

[crystal thistle]

smh this people never know how to translate anything, Armadura Media is much better, thanks tho

[mystic sequoia]

Armadura media es horrible como nombre

[glacial cove]

In another site they call it placa y mallas

[mystic sequoia]

La parte importante es el material

Media placa de metal seria mejor

O armadura de media placa

[crystal thistle]

i mean, estoy de acuerdo que placa media esta mejor que armadura media, pero media armadura o media placa me suena a algo de cryptobros

[crystal thistle]

that one's good

[mystic sequoia]

Also because armadura media es el término para el tipo de armadura

Unless you say armadura mediana

Which, ew

[crystal thistle]

that's for gnomes

[glacial cove]

If you want something short and precise just call it torso de metal

[idle meteor]

I have some vaguely spanish item names.
let me get them, and you can tell me how bad they are

[glacial cove]

O petera de metal

[mystic sequoia]

Yeye

[mystic sequoia]

Do u speak Spanish?

[glacial cove]

En especial considerando que la categoría de armaduras es armaduras medianas, da para confusión

[glacial cove]

No, I only learned these specific words in case I had to answer this specific question

(That's not sarcasm btw, it's a reference)

[mystic sequoia]

These names are ok

[mystic sequoia]

I refuse to acknowledge a family guy reference

[idle meteor]

I think this is all of em

• Mosquete Pollo Loco
• Mosquete Detonante Pollo Loco
• Mosquete Endemoniado Pollo Loco
• Mosquete Petrificante Pollo Loco
• Mack Staghare's Mosquete Largo Detonante Pollo Loco La Interesada
• Hydnellum Yew's Mosquete Duendecito Biótica La Interesada
• Thicket's Cámara Oscura de Verdad La Interesada
• Aunn's Polilla Sigilosa El Aceador
• Gerald Longracks's Molinillo de Pimienta Divino El Aceador
• Castillo's Estilo Cambiante El Aceador

[glacial cove]

Don't worry, that's probably the only one I know

[crystal thistle]

escudo metal donde esta el de

[mystic sequoia]

Mijo usted viene a decir cosas sin sentido

[crystal thistle]

you really like Mosquetes eh

[glacial cove]

¿Escudo de gato?

[mystic sequoia]

Mosquete detonante del pollo loco?

[crystal thistle]

let me brew that

[idle meteor]

theres a line of chicken muskets.
Then some specific things

[glacial cove]

This is the equivalent of japaneses naming attacks with random english words that sound cool

[idle meteor]

hey, hey, I translated things that sounded vaguely right

[mystic sequoia]

What do you know about the words you used?

What's la interesada for u?

[glacial cove]

That's a soap opera character

Obviously

[idle meteor]

I used google translate.
I haven't had to really do anything with spanish since I was uh... 14?, when my parents had a villa in javea, and even then it was sorta... pidgin spanish. xD

[mystic sequoia]

So, what are the English names?

[crystal thistle]

what's soap got to do with this?

[idle meteor]

it was "the interested" iirc.
shes a pariah, essentially a demigod.
El Aceador is also a pariah, iirc its a tweaked spelling thats almost "curious" and "meddler" depending on how you changed it (at least by google translate)

[mystic sequoia]

Acear is cleaning

But like, formal for cleaning

[crystal thistle]

way too formal, so formal practically none says that shit

[mystic sequoia]

The interested does have a problem with spanish having gendered words

[idle meteor]

it's a female pariah, so I did deliberately choose the feminine

[mystic sequoia]

Fair then

What about pollo?

[idle meteor]

chicken

[mystic sequoia]

Duendecillo biótica La interesada is a mouthful

Arco, que es biótica?

[crystal thistle]

i'm glad he didnt choose to make pollo femenine

[crystal thistle]

eeeeh? que esta vivo?

[glacial cove]

Las telenovelas son sucias, por eso necesitan lavarse la boca con jabón antes de cantar ópera

[mystic sequoia]

La polla detonante

[idle meteor]

it was "biotic firearm" ran through google, and I don't remember questioing it

[crystal thistle]

abiotica es que no esta vivo, biotica que esta vivo? me imagino no

idek what biotic means in english lol

to me its one of those robotic scifi buzzwords

[mystic sequoia]

It's the same

[crystal thistle]

like quantum

[mystic sequoia]

Antibiotics

Biotics

[glacial cove]

We call them "cleaning uncle"

[idle meteor]

relating to or resulting from living organisms.

[mystic sequoia]

Where does duendecillo come from?

[crystal thistle]

ah so i was right

[crystal thistle]

gnomes?

[mystic sequoia]

I mean, in the weapon

[crystal thistle]

it shoots gnomes

[mystic sequoia]

Gnomes are not duendes

[crystal thistle]

they arent?

[mystic sequoia]

Duendes are separate from gnomes

[crystal thistle]

garden gnomes = duendes de jardin

[glacial cove]

I'm glad it means lotto in here

Lotto = lotería

[mystic sequoia]

Theres no real translation for duendes

[crystal thistle]

yea.. its gnomes

[idle meteor]

I think it was meant to be pixie, but I didn't question google so

[mystic sequoia]

No, it doesnt capture what a duende is Arco

[crystal thistle]

pixie would be hada no? which would also be fairy lol

[mystic sequoia]

I do believe you can use pixie in Spanish

[idle meteor]

I did say they were badly translated : D xD

[crystal thistle]

fair

[mystic sequoia]

But pixie

Would be

[glacial cove]

Bionics

Would

[mystic sequoia]

Duendecito

[crystal thistle]

its the autism, we need to hyper analyse it

[crystal thistle]

yea no i disagree duende = gnome

[mystic sequoia]

Duende, if anything, is more goblin than gnome

[crystal thistle]

hell no

[mystic sequoia]

Duende verde?

[glacial cove]

That changes from culture to culture

Like Santa's elf looking like gnomes

[mystic sequoia]

Green goblin?

[crystal thistle]

i should get by spanish phb lol

[mystic sequoia]

Checkmate

[crystal thistle]

yea, i dont like marvel

[mystic sequoia]

Is there one?

[glacial cove]

Banger song too

[mystic sequoia]

duen·de
/do͞oˈendā,ˈdwendā/
noun
1.
a quality of passion and inspiration.
2.
(in the folklore of Spain, Portugal, Latin America, and the Philippines) a supernatural being or spirit resembling a pixie or imp.

Duende is more pixie or imp than anything else

I will die on this hill

[crystal thistle]

garden gnomes are called duendes de jardin

[glacial cove]

Me looking at my garden gnome, which I brought home the same day demons started invading my house

[mystic sequoia]

Green goblin is called duende verde

[crystal thistle]

...halflings in spanish are called medianos..

[glacial cove]

Leprechaun is also duende

[mystic sequoia]

Ye, that sucks

[crystal thistle]

Leprechauns are fey

[mystic sequoia]

Is there a therm for dragonborn in Spanish?

[crystal thistle]

Nacido de Dragon

[glacial cove]

Sorcerer, wizard, warlock are equally magos and brujos in here

[crystal thistle]

no im kidding

[crystal thistle]

Draconido

[mystic sequoia]

Hechicero, mago, brujo

[glacial cove]

Yeah, they mean the same

[mystic sequoia]

Peleador

[idle meteor]

this is the pixe

[mystic sequoia]

Pícaro I like

[crystal thistle]

💀 Ranger is Explorador

[glacial cove]

I mean

[crystal thistle]

ive always loved that

[glacial cove]

That's accurate?

[idle meteor]

you know, I could find the larger image and fix it, but it being this small is funnier.

[mystic sequoia]

Its the only one I actively use

[mystic sequoia]

Ye, that's a duende

[glacial cove]

Ranger is either an explorador or a guardabosque

[crystal thistle]

i hate those 2

[mystic sequoia]

Cazador de sangre

Barbaro

[crystal thistle]

also Clerics being Clerigo? is that even a word in spanish I have never heard it

[mystic sequoia]

Yep

[glacial cove]

If you wanted Ranger to be tirador it would have had to be named Marksman

Besides, their theme (despite how contradictory it can be) is focused on wilderness scouting than shooting arrows

[mystic sequoia]

Bardo I like coz it means a totally different thing here

Bardo for me is when two people got beef

[crystal thistle]

what'd they call Aragorn in the spanish version of LOTR instead of Ranger? i havent seen it in spanish for a long time

[glacial cove]

I think it comes from clero

[mystic sequoia]

Explorador I bet

[glacial cove]

Which I don't exactly remember what ir means

Like a congregation or something

[crystal thistle]

Clero is like Creed yea?

[mystic sequoia]

Ye

[glacial cove]

Never watched LOTR

And if I did, I would in english

[mystic sequoia]

What's action surge in Spanish?

[crystal thistle]

Accion Surgida

[glacial cove]

Andai' Jalao

[mystic sequoia]

No

That can't be it

[glacial cove]

Second Wind = Toy Re Duro

[crystal thistle]

Accion Subita

[crystal thistle]

Tomar Aliento

[mystic sequoia]

Segundo aire

Se llama segundo aire

[glacial cove]

I counter it with morning breath

[crystal thistle]

Tomar Aliento

[glacial cove]

Inhale that

[mystic sequoia]

Como cuando hacen gimnasia y les viene un segundo sire

Flurry of blows is furia de piñas

I do know that

[crystal thistle]

now thats funny

[glacial cove]

Same happened

[glacial cove]

@teal oriole
Why?

Goloes

Golpes

Rafa

[crystal thistle]

ga de

[glacial cove]

Aire

[mystic sequoia]

I was kicked out

Oleada de golpes ?

[glacial cove]

Lluvia de Golpes

[teal oriole]

oh i know why

it's a scunthorpe problem

[glacial cove]

A what now?

[teal oriole]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_problem

the first word contains a series of letters that are on the banned word list

[idle meteor]

it's got cigarette in the middle of the first word.

[crystal thistle]

ah

[glacial cove]

Ooooohhhhhh

[crystal thistle]

that's so dumb

[glacial cove]

Yes

[mystic sequoia]

So, that word has too many of the banned letters at once?

[teal oriole]

yeah it's kind of dumb :/ it's all just regex, we've come across other issues like this in the past. it can be fixed to be a bit smarter than this

[teal oriole]

nah, it's just specifically that word contains the letters of a banned word within it

[glacial cove]

But?

[teal oriole]

no but, i can bring this up and fix this case

[mystic sequoia]

I think I know which word it is

[teal oriole]

hah yeah

[crystal thistle]

i wonder if i changed my discord to spanish would it recognise the spanish word and not ban it?

[glacial cove]

Yeah, it's Rafa

[mystic sequoia]

Dw, not really a problem

[idle meteor]

na, cos it does it to english words too

[crystal thistle]

ah so it’s even dumber

[glacial cove]

Nope

Mine is in spanish

[teal oriole]

yeah specifically the banned word is english

so in any case it's just checking the text directly no matter what language you're speaking in; the bot has no idea of knowing languages etc.

[glacial cove]

So being a spanish monk is banned from the server

[teal oriole]

eh it's enough of a headache to bring up, it's blocking the name for monk's signature feature ahahah

[crystal thistle]

looked it up, it was Montaraz

[glacial cove]

First time I hear that word

[glacial cove]

Which is funny when you remember we call it cabra montés and not monteraz

[mystic sequoia]

@idle meteor Do you have a table of mundane items in silver at hand?

[idle meteor]

what i got to hand easy

[mystic sequoia]

Do you have a more readable one?

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