Faye's a bit of Everything

[mystic sequoia]

5 years

[teal oriole]

Ahahah yeah

[mystic sequoia]

that's a lot

[teal oriole]

I've technically been here since 2017 but I lost my old account

[crystal thistle]

plz

oh thanks

[mystic sequoia]

That's also a very long time

how long has this server been 'round?

[mystic sequoia]

Arco

[crystal thistle]

aslep

[mystic sequoia]

Do you know what the word for the paper you get at the hospital is called?

the one you go to the pharmacy to get medicaments

[crystal thistle]

Prescription?

[mystic sequoia]

That

thanks

It's for the class)

[crystal thistle]

lol

[mystic sequoia]

The class is done https://discord.com/channels/113801089362558983/1114457130888601620

[mystic sequoia]

@idle meteor wanted to know your take on this when you have the time. How much above average dpr is too much? Like, if we are taking fighter as a ground to balance martials, how much higher is a rogue's budget?

10 points?

5?

20?

[idle meteor]

so like

usually the rough budget is 5-15 damage per tier, and roughly averages to that
fighters do it with that per attack
rogues do it as a rough one-turn, etc

and wiggle room outside of that is a "how longs a piece of string" cos itll depend on the resources and usage

[mystic sequoia]

Fraud, have you checked the weaponry? if so, do you have any critics/ opinions?

[strong orchid]

Just got back from college

Everything I’ve put a peen in, I’m going back to today

So I’ll take a gander in a few

[mystic sequoia]

Chill

[mystic sequoia]

@torpid bronze @crystal thistle am just porting the properties to classes and am wondering, monk with might in their hands?

Is that too much cuz they hit a lot?

[torpid bronze]

Nah I think that works

[mystic sequoia]

might, for context, is -pb+pb

[crystal thistle]

hmmm

[mystic sequoia]

Should they just get all propeties but, in their fists?

[crystal thistle]

No

that would make them a 1 man army

they would be better than Figthers

maybe give them some, not all, but many of the properties and they can learn like 2, and the rest they can use by expending ki points?

[mystic sequoia]

Maybe they get all aviable but have to choose 2 as part of martial arts?

[crystal thistle]

i dont if ALL would make sense

but yea

could get a similar progression to barb

[mystic sequoia]

okok

[mystic sequoia]

WEAPONRY IS COMPLETE

finall

y

Every class now have their levels at which they get stuff

[mystic sequoia]

(even your pretty privileged subclasses)

[crystal thistle]

yay

but wait

I'm not running Hexblade anymore

I'm now going to run Izzy's Warlock+

[mystic sequoia]

WHAT

i did all that

For nothing?

You are a despicable person, I hope papa noel doesn't visit your tree this or nexts christmas

[crystal thistle]

i mean i guess i can just apply what you gave Hexblade to just give it to the Pact of the Blade of Warlock+

[mystic sequoia]

I guess

cateyeroll

[crystal thistle]

also
This is unnecessary, you are already getting your trainings in the class proficiencies

[mystic sequoia]

I do have to clarify stage 1

Or else the people who don't read ahead might assume

[crystal thistle]

I think that should just be known from knowing how this property system works

also
"Trained: Stage 2" is a horrible feature name
call it smth like
"Training Improvement" or "Martial Training Improvement" or smth

[mystic sequoia]

what

WHAT

[crystal thistle]

also also
you didnt include trained armors?
also also also
you forgot to bold the bullet points for the Artificer proficiencies

[mystic sequoia]

catsigh

[mystic sequoia]

Ts all the same

[crystal thistle]

just editing for ya

ah I see

you put armor properties under the trained properties

idk why I thought you would separate them

hmmmm i think you should separate them, bc I feel like classes should be trained in both weapons and armor, so if you separate them you ensure they get access to at least one of each?

another editing bit

[mystic sequoia]

That's your choice

Ahhhhh

I'll cry

[crystal thistle]

no dont, i love the system

[mystic sequoia]

Thanks

I hate numbers and letters

that's why I don't read

nor do math

[crystal thistle]

the thing is, if you separate them you ensure that all players get at least 1 of each, which i think is essential

also properties still have prerequisites, are you still thinking of some feature like the Fighter's feature in OneDND to change properties from a weapon to another?

[mystic sequoia]

Yes

but that comes with my fighter rework

[crystal thistle]

so only for fighter?

I was thinking you could make it a feat

[mystic sequoia]

Barbs and rogues also

But to a lesser extent

[crystal thistle]

no rangers?

[mystic sequoia]

the rangers can go cast themselves of a cliff

: )

If

I make a spell less ranger

which I will

I'll make a variant w more stuff

I want to prove everyone wrong

and by everyone I mean

what? izzy and wolf?

[crystal thistle]

that's already a lot of people

[mystic sequoia]

like 50% of the server

Ok wait

I think I just had an ephifany

You did math, right?

[crystal thistle]

[mystic sequoia]

Can I ask you a question?

I believe its pretty simple

[crystal thistle]

that does not by any mean means I know a lot of math

shoot ig

[mystic sequoia]

So

why isn't everything just like

50% 50%

?

[crystal thistle]

wdym?

[mystic sequoia]

Like, when you roll a d20, you either get a 20 or you don't

why have so many numbers?

[crystal thistle]

so

in the greater scheme, yes you have 50% chance to roll a 20 or 50% chance to not

but you dont ONLY care abt the 20

all the other numbers also mean things

so you have a 5% chance to roll each number

including 20

if the game was

"rolling a 20 means you succeed, rolling ANYTHING BUT a 20 means you fail"

then everything would be 50% 50%

I have a friend that his homerule system for light rules is a 50/50 system

[mystic sequoia]

But, by every roll you only care about one number, the dc

so, either you pass or you don't

[crystal thistle]

he rolls a d6, every even number is a fail, every odd number is a succees

[crystal thistle]

yea, but the dice can roll under the dc, over the dc, or on the dc

and you succeed with anything over

so if the dc is 9,
you succeed with 10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20
you fail with 9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1

there is more probability to succeed than to fail

there is more numbers that succeed than numbers that failed, therefore the % of failures should be lower

[mystic sequoia]

I think I get what you mean

I think there's merits for both sides of the argument

Yours and mine

at the end of the day, math is just a theory

[crystal thistle]

no there isnt

[mystic sequoia]

we are both 50% right

we can go home and be happy now

[crystal thistle]

im at home

well ig this is your home

go to my home and check out my brand new brainstorming idea

[mystic sequoia]

Ok

[brisk snow]

This seems like a cool idea and I like the general direction of most of them, but it's hard for me to give balance thoughts on a whole system without testing because there are a lot of interactions that are hard to think about in a white room scenario.

At a quick read though, some of these seem have edge cases that stick out or feel like they might be a little onerous to run:

**Appalling **is adding a roll DM roll to most player attack rolls, which could easily get slow, and the effect feels stronger than other medium armor effects.

**Bleed **feels a touch annoying to track because of the random interval between trigger and actually taking the extra d4 damage.

**Deflective **stage 3 has requires you to take one opportunity attack before you can get the effect going, is that intended? In a lot of scenarios, there's only 1 opportunity attack you'd need to avoid anyway so the effect is wasted.

**Graze **stage 2 has a weird thing where 20% of the time with a glaive you'd rather have missed because rolled damage is worse than the amount you graze.

Impale has some of the same thing as bleed (potentially lots of delayed triggers, could get hard to track) and it also has a weird interaction with spiked armor where it only works when someone is grappled but that means they can't (usually) move to trigger the damage

**Stab **and **Cleave **both have the 'less HP than you class level' thing, which is kind of hard to track because it goes off info that's (usually) hidden from players. Also not 100% clear if that's less HP before or after an attack (presumably after?).

**Topple **is in the same boat as Appalling but only during stage 1.

[mystic sequoia]

• Appalling, the only class that gets appalling is Rangers so, I thought the balance comes from the fact that they have to decide between the ability and a better AC. They have to take appalling from the list of other, better options.
• Bleed, I agree with the tracking thing but also, that's something unavoidable, eventually a spell or a feature gets lost due to how combat works
• I do need to review graze
• Stab and Cleave activate On a hit, meaning that you activate them before dealing dmg

Need clearer wording tho

[strong orchid]

For reading purposes, it'd be nice to place the classes with access to a trained ability underneath the ability itself

So it's easier to consider the ability in regards to its class

Overall, something to consider is that this is a decently sized buff to the players (especially at higher levels) considering they'll be combining both armor and weapon abilities

And some of the higher level abilities are quite good

I do think that conceptually its really cool though

And I love offering players other trees to work towards

Honestly, it's a pretty elegant alternate progression system

My main concerns are the playability (remembering multiple abilities, especially when picking up a new weapon) and the balance, but it's a really unique system that's very different from other equipment changes I've seen before

Oh one thing that does need to be added - Costs for all the new items

[mystic sequoia]

First of all thanks for taking the time to read through

I will make the quality of life changes you suggested

And probably pulish some of the properties but, In comparison to playing a caster, I do believe you can pick this up rather quickly

The next step now is the martial rework, so that I can add features that have synergy with these weapon properties

For example

Monks will get as part of martial arts, the ability to add their weapon properties to their unarmed attacks

Fighters will be able to mix and match

[strong orchid]

It's less the initial learning process and more the fact that equipment is more dynamic than spells, since it can change if a character decides to pick up something new on a whim

I don't think it's too much complexity though

But something that's in the back of my mind as a potential issue, depending on the scenario

[mystic sequoia]

That is fair, you can lose equipment

What about something like a spell casting focus but for martials?

Sounds weird but, I bet I can make it work ?

If you have a stick

You can apply your properties

To the stick

[strong orchid]

hmmm

That's interesting

Meaning the properties live on the sheet

Kinda neat, especially for considering custom weapons

It'd really depend on how large it is on the sheet though, since it could bloat it a bit, but I do like that option since it gives you a much better idea of what a lot of weapons can do what weapons synergize with you

It does remove the ability to see each weapon though...

Yknow, I think it's probably best as is - Show the name/rank of each trained ability on the sheet, and then have more info on the weapon itself

Its the best of both worlds IMO - Similar to casters, you do kinda need to know what your equipment (spells) do off the sheet, and it lets you sort through your options faster at a glance

[strong orchid]

I could also be completely misinterpreting this lmao

[mystic sequoia]

I mean, if you don't have weapons you can't use your properties

For spells at least you have spells without material components

[strong orchid]

Yeah, hence why they shouldn't take up too much space on the sheet

And just be the names of the abilities

Gonna read through the individual abilities and weapons a bit more closely in a min

[crystal thistle]

There is 0 way to solve this tho?

[mystic sequoia]

Sticks and stones

[fiery needle]

Improvised Weaponry

[mystic sequoia]

Ok ok that's cool

What if

We change tavern brawler

[fiery needle]

Like a tree branch you could use with versetile

[mystic sequoia]

What set of tools would do this?

[fiery needle]

Wdym

[mystic sequoia]

Like, this is exactly what toolsets are for

[fiery needle]

How so?

[mystic sequoia]

Alchemist supplies, etc

This isn't smithing tho

[fiery needle]

Oh no

Improv weapons dont need that tho

Never have

Its usually RP based what they use

[mystic sequoia]

I mean, to create a system where you can properly create an improvised weapon

[fiery needle]

Oh, Inv or Perception check

Then object interaction

If u wanna MAKE it

Survival check

Adv if u have smiths tools

[mystic sequoia]

But, leaving it to roleplay with a "if you have no weapons, and have proficiency with improvised weapons, you can work with your DM to apply your trained properties to them."

That sounds fine

[crystal thistle]

just make it "You can apply your trained properties to improvised weapons if you are proficient with them, and the weapon qualifies for the property; DM's discretion"

[mystic sequoia]

Ye

Bleed stick

[crystal thistle]

no

[mystic sequoia]

Stab stone

"I pick up the cat and use it with the might property"

[crystal thistle]

can might be done with slashing weapons?

[mystic sequoia]

Might is mostly slashing

What it needs is two handed

And heavy I think?

[crystal thistle]

i thoought it was for warhammer

[mystic sequoia]

Might is for anything that would benefit from gwm usually

WAIT

How could I forget the polearm property

That'd work so well

"If you hit a creature with an attack roll, you can use your bonus action to immediately make another attack with the back end of the polearm; this attack deals 1d4 bludgeoning damage"

Or smth

[crystal thistle]

you girl a creature..

[mystic sequoia]

AHHHH

No girls here

No no no

/j

[crystal thistle]

[mystic sequoia]

Stage 2 the polearm gives you a +1 to AC if you hit at least one attack with it

Stage 3, the range for your polearm increases to 15 feet when you attach with it

What about that?

[crystal thistle]

whats stage 1?

[mystic sequoia]

Ba attack

[crystal thistle]

hm

[mystic sequoia]

With back end of stick

[crystal thistle]

does it deal dmg=str mod?

[mystic sequoia]

1d4 + str

Ye

I guess I'll start making the fighter

Might use wolf's thingy they shared the other day

[crystal thistle]

that was for subclasses tho?

or what are you talking abt?

[mystic sequoia]

The long doc about subclasses, ye

I'll make round 3 per martial

Except monk, I already have like, a fully functional monk rework

And rogue

So, just need to polish barb and start with fighter

[crystal thistle]

youre gonna make subclasses?

i thought you were making class reworks

[mystic sequoia]

Class includes subclasses

If not, some might feel barely parched together or out of sync

I've had that with the mastermind rogue

[crystal thistle]

youre going to make new subclasses entirely?
I thought the idea was to just make reworks

[mystic sequoia]

So, I'm gonna remake classes

And subclasses

There are some that I'd like to tweak

In order to give a fully functioning add-on

With no clunky "oh but where does this fit on the base x"

The properties do work isolated, this is more of "now I'm building around them

"

I thought this was a big project tho

Now I've been humbled

By ovion and raiden

[crystal thistle]

how come?

[mystic sequoia]

Ovion is just

Making the whole math to standardize everything

And raiden is reworking every monster from the mm

and every player race ever created in any edition

[crystal thistle]

oh you mean compared with their projects urs is small

well if it makes you feel any better, the most homebrew i've done in the last 2 weeks was give Draconic Sorcerer ignore resitances/immunities

[mystic sequoia]

It does, actually /j/lh

Well theres also a person in worbuilding making a whole evangelion-like system

[crystal thistle]

oh god

oh

evangelion or evolution?

pick

[mystic sequoia]

Eva

And it seems so intricate, I'm just on their forum to read tbh

Not much you can balance something like that

Not with my experience, at least

[crystal thistle]

what's balance?

[mystic sequoia]

A suggestion

[crystal thistle]

[mystic sequoia]

Is that a guitar?

Phone too smol

[crystal thistle]

i guess

[mystic sequoia]

What is that thing?

[crystal thistle]

guitar-like instrument

[mystic sequoia]

GUITAR WEAPON

Rock and roll rogue

Axe bass

Bow violin

[crystal thistle]

Bardbarian

[mystic sequoia]

Ok, I want to add more weapons

Do you have ideas?

[crystal thistle]

hmmm

you have tridents?

[mystic sequoia]

I do, but I don't know what to do w them

What's trident combat?

[crystal thistle]

they are spears

maybe with topple?

[strong orchid]

3 prongs means triple multiattack

obviously

[crystal thistle]

actually

add ur damage bonus three times

[mystic sequoia]

YES

maybe you have a bonus to charisma checs made for starting a protest against wtiches

So, becayse of the fact that I want Backend to be a property for, y'know, polearms, I had to write that it applied to any reach weapons

However, whips are reach weapons

Is that a bug or a feature?

[glacial cove]

Hey, how's it going?

Just popping in, quick look on the brew, it's interesting

I see a concerning lack of arm and leg weapons

[mystic sequoia]

of what?

[glacial cove]

Idk what to call them

[mystic sequoia]

like

kicks?

[crystal thistle]

a bug, bc whips make no sense

[glacial cove]

Fist, kicks, elbows, headbutts

[crystal thistle]

Unarmed Strikes?

[mystic sequoia]

u sure?

[glacial cove]

Yeah, but no longer unarmed

[crystal thistle]

what

[mystic sequoia]

didn't whips have a wooden handle?

[glacial cove]

Is it really unarmed if you are using a brass knuckle or a claw weapon?

[mystic sequoia]

Ohhh

batman weapons

[glacial cove]

Hahahahahaha

[crystal thistle]

you wouldnt be attacking an enemy within 5ft with a whip, and if you are far away from attacking you couldnt use the handle

idk if 5e already does it, but it should give you disadvantage with whips if in melee

[crystal thistle]

ah thats what you mean

[mystic sequoia]

So, problem

brass nuckle, wouldn't that just overshadow unnarmed attacks?

[glacial cove]

I understand you can always grab both ends of the whip to reduce the range

[mystic sequoia]

ye

[crystal thistle]

eeeh i dont knooooow
I want a fourth opinion on this

iirc whips hurt bc of the momentum when they are used, so what you propose would lose that

[mystic sequoia]

Do you want a melee whip?

like, a 5 feet whip?

[glacial cove]

Let me call the experts.
Whole Belmont family shows up

[crystal thistle]

no, i want an AOE whip

[mystic sequoia]

Oh, whips can get graze

oh shit, that would be uh

cleave

that one

[crystal thistle]

I thought they got Vex or smth, btw the whip property makes no sense to me

i dont think it should be a property, I think whips, by default, should do AOE damage

althought, i dont dislike the idea of it being a property

[strong orchid]

Really? Out of all the weapons that could be AOE, whips are one of the later ones I think of

[mystic sequoia]

A person who doesn't train with whips won't use them to that extent

[crystal thistle]

doesnt the castlevania games have the problem that bc of the reach and the fact that the whips only do dmg at the tip need to be away

[glacial cove]

I have devised this before, not really.

My idea is as follows:

• Any fist or feet weapon would be simple and deal about 1d4 damage. It's type and design really changes according to what you want, like a brass knuckle, a cestus, a metal shoe, a claw, etc. Add finesse and light property.
• Any other body part would be martial, and increase the die to d6 for better measure. I would still keep the same properties tho. That way you can have tail weapons, or something like this... Let me find the gif

[crystal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/trevor-trevor-belmont-castlevania-s4-castlevania-gif-21847189

really?

[glacial cove]

https://tenor.com/view/baoh-ova-anime-blades-gif-26684610

[crystal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/richter-belmont-smash-bros-castlevania-smash-richter-gif-24444073

[glacial cove]

Which I have no clue what to call

[mystic sequoia]

That last one is not a whi`p

[glacial cove]

Arm blades or whatever

[mystic sequoia]

it has balls+

[crystal thistle]

that's what the Belmont's whip is like idk

[glacial cove]

Not only balls, but balls+

[mystic sequoia]

Yeah

[glacial cove]

Simon really went for the full package

[mystic sequoia]

Whips whith balls are other things

mauls I wanna say

[crystal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/trevor-belmont-castlevania-cadena-y-latigo-gif-21741732

this is definitely AOE damage imo

its dancing the whip in an area so it constantly damages the area

[mystic sequoia]

Idk man, looks pretty single target to me

I don't see multiple enemies being hit

[crystal thistle]

its like creating a difficult terrain uhhh what whats the spell called

[mystic sequoia]

all I'm saying

[crystal thistle]

cuz enemy big

[mystic sequoia]

mhm...

copium

[crystal thistle]

it doesnt need to be a huge area

like, 5ft circle is fine

and it needs to be at range

[mystic sequoia]

Brass knuckles are defo martials

I've been in fights, not everyone can throw a punch

a piece of metal on your hand makes no difference

[crystal thistle]

arent you like an art student?

/lh/j

[mystic sequoia]

Yes, but I'm also mediocre in many martial arts

[glacial cove]

The base design of PF and Dnd (at least later editions as of what I'm aware) tells everyone can throw a good punch

[crystal thistle]

thats a good point

[mystic sequoia]

Your punches deal str straight if not porficient

that's not a good punch, that's a slam

[strong orchid]

If a whip is AOE, then a greatsword should be as well ¯_(ツ)_/¯

And a greataxe

And loads of other great weapons

[mystic sequoia]

Both get graze

don't fight

[crystal thistle]

but not in range
agree agree

[glacial cove]

Trained in the deadly arts of paint-fu, but what he says is no less true

But getting hit by a hand is still gonna hurt, somewhat

Even if the technique is a wild haymaker

[strong orchid]

I see a whip as more of a hit enemies more quickly type thing anyways - Like, I dunno how I'm supposed to word a whip hitting 4 goblins at once in a circle as a DM

[glacial cove]

Which is why the lack of proper technique I would say is translated to a usually low damage punch

[crystal thistle]

you can bend the direction of a whip midair in many forms, again, Trevor is my inspiration for this

https://tenor.com/view/trevor-belmont-gif-23405841

[mystic sequoia]

Again, that's not a whip

[strong orchid]

I feel like that's covered in multiple attacks

[mystic sequoia]

there's a name for that

[crystal thistle]

yes it is

[strong orchid]

Each strike being a different flick/motion

[mystic sequoia]

Its clearly throwing it with a heavy end

[crystal thistle]

multiple attacks with 1 action in an area is how i see it

[mystic sequoia]

that's a whole other martial art

[strong orchid]

agree to disagree ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[glacial cove]

The idea of good punch is you having proficiency and it dealing damage. A great punch is that of a monk or anyone with some punching feature

[crystal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/trevor-belmont-castlevania-alucard-tepes-gif-9203887

[mystic sequoia]

Well, whips do get graze

So, any creature within 5 ft will be hit by your whip

[mystic sequoia]

Ok so, brass knuckles

1d4

simple

melee

[crystal thistle]

that works ig

still, you had like a special property for whips, care to explain it?

[mystic sequoia]

keep confusing the,

them

[crystal thistle]

no u had another one

[mystic sequoia]

Ye but cleave is the one that works for whip

[crystal thistle]

what is this?

[mystic sequoia]

Knocking prone was a big thing for whip combat

I was playing around with the idea of moving people w whips

[crystal thistle]

nvm i understand it now, feels overcomplicated

[glacial cove]

That's the coolest thing you can do with whips

It makes them unique

[mystic sequoia]

There's already another moving property

this is a pull

Which I love

Like the one cantrip

[glacial cove]

Don't give bards a whip please

[mystic sequoia]

Bards don't get weapon training anyway

This is martials only

except for

[crystal thistle]

swords do right?

[mystic sequoia]

This is all those bitches get

and might remove graze

[glacial cove]

Is this still a thing? Cause there's a misspeling, it should say "If it would hit..." on both upgrades

[mystic sequoia]

Not really?

It is building up on the other stages

[glacial cove]

Also, how long are whips here?

[mystic sequoia]

10 feet, like normal

[crystal thistle]

it says "If it would it" instead of "If it would hit"

[crystal thistle]

boooring

[mystic sequoia]

Oh

[mystic sequoia]

ARCO

catSAD

[crystal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/castlevania-trevor-belmont-cadena-y-latigo-gif-21741715

[mystic sequoia]

catBAWLMYEYESOWT

[crystal thistle]

make em 30ft long

[glacial cove]

It's just, if you can only move them towards you, and their reach is only 10 feet

Unless I haven't read what Hurl is

[mystic sequoia]

oH SHIT

my bad

totally ignored that part

better?

[glacial cove]

Anyway, gonna make lunch, tag me if anything related to... Let's call them Hand to Hand weapons, happens

[mystic sequoia]

Yep

[glacial cove]

I say yes

[mystic sequoia]

What did I say stage 3 for polearms was gonna be?

[glacial cove]

You can polearm, but better than stage 2

[mystic sequoia]

What about this

[glacial cove]

It looks good

Question, would this replace the martial feats?

[mystic sequoia]

Yes

This replaces polearm master

this replaces gwm

this replases ss

[round copper]

To the attack or damage roll?

At stage 1, it can be really crazy

[mystic sequoia]

Attack roll

Wiat

[round copper]

Get a rogue with it…

[mystic sequoia]

damage roll

that one

[mystic sequoia]

It replaces sharpshooter

as a feat

the balance comes there

[round copper]

Is the insta death hp calculated before or after an attack

[mystic sequoia]

I still have to work on that, the idea is that they die when the attack hits, otherwise you just deal damage

Mostly to allow goblin-clearing

[glacial cove]

As of now, stage 1 is more of a downgrade to the attack. I have made the dmg calculation before, and I remember these numbers make you lose damage

Would have to make the calculation again, but...

[mystic sequoia]

Yes, they do

But its more consistent that gwm

Ovion did the math for every possible alternative

and its also less broken

Every possible alternative being gwm, gwm (-pb+2pb), gwm (-3+5) etc

[glacial cove]

I still have some questions, but overall, when does this - /+ pb become reliable?

And what does it mean it's more consistent?

[mystic sequoia]

Wait a sec

[glacial cove]

Was it meant to be 2*pb dmg?

[mystic sequoia]

This

This is the calculations

you can check them

[idle meteor]

smooth scaling

consistently +x %, rather than starting at +A, jumping to B, then C, then D

[glacial cove]

I'll have to get into a PC to check em

On cellphone is pain

[idle meteor]

just percentages here

[glacial cove]

Quick question about these percentages, are they compared at a certain level or the comparison of the sum of all tiers?

[idle meteor]

total average

[glacial cove]

Why does the "to hit bonus" adds the secondary stat?

[idle meteor]

they aren't.
I think it's assuming they still have the +2 from a fighting style though.

they'll remain internally consistent at least.
But It'll be a bit clearer and nicer when I get round to doing the new version

[crystal thistle]

has anyone mentioned that the +1 to AC has no limits?

[mystic sequoia]

which +1?

[crystal thistle]

stage 2 polarm

is a +1 to AC that never goes away, and you can stack it infinitedly?

[mystic sequoia]

It's already fixed

I do owe you a lot for being so annoying with this kinda stuff /lh

[glacial cove]

Where does that bonus to dmg comes from?

[idle meteor]

assumption of magic weapon, which is super duper common.
And well, standard assumptions out of balance math crap tbh.
Main stat 3/4/5/5, secondary 2/2/3/3, weapon bonus +0/1/2/3

[glacial cove]

I'm pretty sure these effects don't stack per core rules, but yeah, duration was needed

[glacial cove]

I'm still confused as to why do you consider the second stat in the comparison

[idle meteor]

it'satemplate

well, a calculator

but same shit

the stat isnt added here, but it is in other things, so its on the calculator

[glacial cove]

The second stat can be whatever? Dex, Con, Cha

[idle meteor]

mhm

think like, scagtrip comp

that'll use both

and a few other things

[glacial cove]

Noted

[idle meteor]

new version does condense it all into just, end points for display

and homersimpsons everything in the backend

[glacial cove]

Btw, can you share the formula for the dmg and to hit calculation when you consider critical chances. I want to know if you are supposed to account the crit chance in the regular to hit chance.

[idle meteor]

not with the cylinders Im running on xD

you don't have to include crit tho

I have with this one as an option, so I can compare it, and so it includes by default

[glacial cove]

It's more of a general question regarding maths

[idle meteor]

but without crit affecting features, its always going to be a consistent 5% trigger, and set boost, that adds fuck all to it

[glacial cove]

I was never good with the probabilities subject

[idle meteor]

This is what I use for base damage.
=SUM(BB16,IF(BI16="Y",BF7,0),IF(BK16="Y",BH7,0),IF(BM16="Y",BJ7,0),IF(BO16="Y",((AVERAGE(-BR16,BG16)*((1/BG16)*BR16))*BE16),0),BL7,BT16:BY16)

This is what I use to add crit damage.
=SUM(BB16,BZ16,DR16,IF(DY16="Y",BF7,0),IF(BO16="Y",((AVERAGE(-BR16,BG16)*((1/BG16)*BR16))*BE16),0),IF(EA16="Y",BH7,0),IF(EE16="Y",((AVERAGE(-EH16,DW16)*((1/DW16)*EH16))*DU16),0),IF(EC16="Y",BJ7,0),EJ16:EM16)*((21-CM7)*0.05)

right now I don't even know what I'm looking at, and I'd have to break it down, figure it out, make it readable, etc xD

[glacial cove]

Ah, yes, Excel wizardry

[idle meteor]

yeah

it's a blessing and a curse

I basically only know exactly how it works the day I make it

for example, disadvantage is actually broken in this calculator atm

I'm going to have to take an afternoon at some point to figure out how advantage fuckin works again, then exactly how its broken when doing disad

[glacial cove]

Ok, but let's put it like this: if I'm calculating for a 50% chance for a normal hit damage (that is a roll of 10 or higher), then I want to do the math with a 20 crit chance, does it become 45% and 5%?

Or is it still 50% + 5%

[idle meteor]

crit is additional to hit

or... sideways to it

[glacial cove]

I like working on excel, but when the formula is presented like that, I can't understand it unless I have the sheet.

[glacial cove]

I see

[idle meteor]

yeah, having the sheet doesnt really help till you go through every cell either xD

[glacial cove]

I once found a pretty neat formula for it

[glacial cove]

Oh, I know

[idle meteor]

So, with 5e, you have a floor of 5% always miss, and ceiling of 5% always hit
The basic is 21-ac, with a min .05, max .95.
Then on top of that, you always have a 5% chance you'll roll the max, and crit, which is double dice, so its ultimately just a +5% dice average DPR increase

i.e., this is the tohit calc
=MAX(MIN(0.95,IF(BT7="Y",1-(1-((21-(DR4-IF(CP7="N",CI7,(CT7-10))))/20))^(1+BV7),((21-(DR4-IF(CP7="N",CI7,(CT7-10))))/20))),0.05), and crit just... doesn't really come into it

This bit specifically 1-(1-((21-(DR4-IF(CP7="N",CI7,(CT7-10))))/20))^(1+BV7) is advantage/disadvantage

[glacial cove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/2hcld0/how_to_calculate_chance_to_hit_with/

I found it

I like it because every other formula I read was overly complicated

[idle meteor]

I think I looked at that when I was doing stuff

part of why mine has to be more complex, is it also accounts for stacking adv/disad

[glacial cove]

Stacking? Deer god

[mystic sequoia]

Do you use stacking adv/disadv rules?

[idle meteor]

na, stacking is fine.
nice and easy.

[idle meteor]

ye, have for years now

started in.... 2018

christ

xD

[mystic sequoia]

How do you go about it? mine are quite simple

[glacial cove]

Oh I know, those are more fun

Do you use stacked rolls or +/- bonus

[idle meteor]

in those 5 years, I've seen more than 2x a handful of times, 3x with effort, 4x a couple, and 5x once

[mystic sequoia]

I thought mine were complicated

I mean, these are not complicated per se

pretty straight forward I guess

[glacial cove]

Imagine having a x5 adv and still missing

[idle meteor]

the effective mod is for passives and take 10/20.
And it's a lot of words to say "you roll this many dice and take the highest/lowest" yeah. xD

[mystic sequoia]

Let me see If I find mine

[glacial cove]

I like that you added the modifier

It gives you a different way to use the system

One that is quicker

[idle meteor]

yeah.
The highest you could reasonably get is 15x, with a 9th level True Strike and a couple other benefits.
Imagine missing that

[glacial cove]

I have been shifting my focus to less effects with adv/dis and more with +/- bonus

[glacial cove]

(They used True Strike, they deserved to miss)

[idle meteor]

the thing with +/-, is it's an actual bonus.
adv/dis is a pseudo - you still can't roll higher than the 1/20

so replacing with bonuses increases the actual, rather than the effective

[mystic sequoia]

Do your players like it?

that's the only important point

[mystic sequoia]

mine like to roll die, making rolling more die math, they'd hate it

[glacial cove]

https://tenor.com/view/moana-delete-maui-delete-this-gif-15101621

They must never know

[mystic sequoia]

What?

what?

[glacial cove]

Just shitposting

[mystic sequoia]

Love cantrip upcast effects

[glacial cove]

I haven't gotten rid of the core (dis) adv system and current effects that grant it

But most new abilities I add will give bonus/penalties instead

[mystic sequoia]

I've tried to manually go and change every feature that gives adv/ disadv to my sistem

That's why I haven't touched it in months

I'll simply go crazy

[glacial cove]

Stacking dis/adv is neat, I just like the modifiers more

Not like I haven't considered using a 3x stack system, it's just I'm currently focusing on testing my other things

[mystic sequoia]

Fair, fair

btw

need a review on this

for the fighter

[glacial cove]

Yeah, they are fine

[idle meteor]

need to make sure its clear that it's 1/t, not every attack on dual wield I think

[glacial cove]

You're right

[mystic sequoia]

txs

[crystal thistle]

@mystic sequoia you didnt give trainings to Blood Hunter?

[mystic sequoia]

Shit

my baby

my scrimblo

Ahhhh

[crystal thistle]

[idle meteor]

tf is a scrimblo

[torpid bronze]

damn ovion is old

doesnt know who a scrimblo is

[idle meteor]

having googled, its a minor flash in the pan meme in the smash community in 2021, and basically died within a year.

[crystal thistle]

no idea what that is

[mystic sequoia]

That's s blorbo of you

[torpid bronze]

I just see scimblo with blorbo from my shows on my tumblr post

[mystic sequoia]

maybe even miaw miaw

[torpid bronze]

LMAO

[mystic sequoia]

what do you say bunni?

[torpid bronze]

blorbo from my showwssssssss

[mystic sequoia]

Yessss

[torpid bronze]

maybe even gulp shito core

[crystal thistle]

@mystic sequoia

[mystic sequoia]

He is pretty old and nerdy, maybe a tumblr sexyman?

[crystal thistle]

@idle meteor they are speaking genz, we should run

[mystic sequoia]

I copied that to make the bloodhunter

[torpid bronze]

😭

[idle meteor]

apparently, these kids are exclusively made of obscure memes from 2022, and then think we're old for not being 12 and in that specific space of the internet at the time.
Cos these don't even look like they were popular memes at the time, decidedly low tier and niche.
They just... happen to both have that shared experience

[torpid bronze]

I dont think all over tumblr = niche but maybe 🤷

[crystal thistle]

smh kids this days

[crystal thistle]

tumblr itself is a very niche platform tbh

[torpid bronze]

i have no clue

how popular things are on the greater internet

[idle meteor]

tumblr in 2022? super niche.
Tumblr was always somewhat niche, and then it was a ghost town of just niche things xD

[torpid bronze]

but tumblr is a cultural driver

[mystic sequoia]

How old are you ovion? 40??

tumblr is alive

[crystal thistle]

i say 67

[mystic sequoia]

more than ever

[torpid bronze]

lots of things get exported from tumblr to like reddit or twitter

[crystal thistle]

its still niche tho

[torpid bronze]

esp with the twitter shit show tumblr is thriving

sure its not like facebook or w/e

but its not like space hey or w/e

[crystal thistle]

yea, but tumblr itself and its culture is niche, things change when they leave tumblr

[torpid bronze]

yeah but id still argue that tumblr is like a top 5 internet culture generator with reddit 4chan twitter tumblr and instagram

youtube might be there instead of insta

🤔

[mystic sequoia]

Bunni does use emojis

[torpid bronze]

i do i love emoji

[mystic sequoia]

So, tru gen z just me

and that feels so

[torpid bronze]

yeah im old too 💀

[crystal thistle]

this is both an insult and a compliment

[torpid bronze]

its okay i was traumatically age regressed for like 5 years so my development is way moer

zoomer than ppl my age

[idle meteor]

the numbers don't agree with that statement.
The number of users dropped by half in 2019, and its not even recovered half of those lost.
And the vistis/posts trends have been on a steady decline.
Your specific areas might be active, but Tumblr as a whole?
Steady decline

but no, I'm not 40

early 30s

[mystic sequoia]

Redemption arc or bastardization arc?

That's the only ages I know

[crystal thistle]

ancient

[idle meteor]

that stupid internecine generation that were told there'd be hope and growth, is the bridge of old and modern tech, teaching both the odler and younger generations how it works, but overall just... fucked by society, doomed to grow up seeing the world fall apart, without being raised in it knowing there wasn't any hope anyway

so I mean

doing great and stuff

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-steve-buscemi-30rock-fellow-kids-one-of-us-gif-21904018

[torpid bronze]

oh god youre like 5 years older than me

[crystal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/kahiru-no-cap-no-cap-kahiru-queen-gif-25287697

[mystic sequoia]

Thats so babygirl of you

I'm sorry, I've had too many coffees

Now I'm depressed

[mystic sequoia]

catcap

[idle meteor]

see

sometimes I wonder if it's just

I'm getting older and the generation gap

but theres so much I understand and keep up with, and see

then there's this... fortnitey madness and I seriously question if I'm just being scream at clouds, or these kids are actually walking strokes

[torpid bronze]

fortnitey 💀

i love that word

[idle meteor]

but being it's a smaller percentage, and studies are showing tiktok, facebook and a few others are actually reducing attention spans and destroying development, I feel that small percentage of kids that talk in a way that makes me smell toast might actually be doing weird shit, rather than just the generational divide

[idle meteor]

aren'tweall

[torpid bronze]

i mean i dont think tiktok is actually destroying development as much as the unending trauma of living on a dying world

[mystic sequoia]

I doubt it is

[torpid bronze]

like tiktok reminding you of it doesnt really help

and im sure isnt good

[mystic sequoia]

Its just now we do care about adhd and stuff

[idle meteor]

oh no, they did comparisons.
The unending trauma has different effects

[mystic sequoia]

and we got something to blame instead of taking repsonsibility for ignoring them for so long

[torpid bronze]

yeah but i think some of it is just the age differences on when that trauma starts assailing your brain development

like even being born in the 90s it was easy to ignore things like global warming or police brutality or wealth in equality

but not its all over everywhere

being a queer person in a very homophobic state in the early 2000s wasnt good

but it wasnt the same level of having to watch videos of politicans calling you part of an evil orginzation set out to destroy society or w/e

its like with the rise of the internet we just stopped bothering to hide the fucked up stuff in society

[idle meteor]

tiktok for under... 15's iirc actually fucks up certain brain connections if used excessively, so the brains do stuff.
then using a LOT of games and stuff also has effects - that got a lot of our generation - cos of the dopamine.
facebook has been shown to warp development - and got fined after it was uncovered that was deliberate

[torpid bronze]

oh yeah im not doubting that they shape devlopment, i just dont think we can truly understand how much of those development changes are because of tiktok in specific or more general trends in the way kids interact with the world in general

like is the devlopment stuff bcuz of the way tiktok leads to video creation or does it have more to do with people getting a much larger share of developmental play from touch screens rather than physical objects

[idle meteor]

there's also a thing where smartphones direct LED might affect optic nerve development
and its been proven that the light from phones (and modern screens) is of a wavelength that affects the brains 'boot process', so when you wake up, it stalls, so you aren't able to focus as much, and it helps make getting to sleep worse (so thats fun)

[torpid bronze]

yeah

I think its more of a broad issue that is deff worsened by specific bad actors

but most of the time these bad actors arent doing this on purpose and its just a symptom of the greater failings of society

[idle meteor]

tiktok was specifically an order of magnitude worse than all the other things.
to the point it's thought it was engineered to do work that way

[torpid bronze]

maybe tiktok is president xis secret weapon to destroy the west or something

[idle meteor]

like even compared to other similar things / copycats, tiktok was worse

[mystic sequoia]

The west is the weapon to destroy the west

we'd do it anyway

[idle meteor]

yeah, that's not wrong

[torpid bronze]

idk i dont really trust any news reporting that has the word china or tiktok or anything like that in it because it was either written by the prc or the cia

[mystic sequoia]

Its just the nature of our world

[idle meteor]

oh I don't watch the news.
I get my news filtered through other shit, and like... science stuff

[torpid bronze]

but true capitalism is a death drive

growth for growths sake is the ideaology of the cancer cell

[idle meteor]

there's a whole extra level of propoganda, and misinformation + smoke screens about tiktok to be sure

[torpid bronze]

did you hear about the ufo whistle blower

that shit is crazy

[idle meteor]

and then on top of that, weird focus with stuff out of china - ignoring actual threats, and playing up just... ascinine bullshit

[torpid bronze]

ppl be like in china you have this credit score and it it goes too low you cant get a house

but like

thats just american credit scores too

and those are just rando companies

[idle meteor]

indeed

[torpid bronze]

and not anyone whos even supposed to be beholden to our interest?

I spent a lot of time in communities with a large presence in china as a teen and young adult

like dota and wc3

and it was so eye opening

[crystal thistle]

what the hell i missed

[torpid bronze]

actually talking to ppl who live in china

[crystal thistle]

wc3 best game

[torpid bronze]

and its just like bruh these r just regular ass ppl

[idle meteor]

but, china is also saying they're at war with america, it's just not declared yet
and basically hiding the murder of lgbt people in china.
and then, reporting on like "tiktok is spying on you, so we need to control the internet" type shit

[mystic sequoia]

Most are? like, the media description of africa is of pure wilderness, tribes n stuff

[torpid bronze]

i mean america has been trying to manufacture consent for that war for like

[idle meteor]

We live in such a fun time don't we

[torpid bronze]

20 years

[mystic sequoia]

I've met people who genuinely believe africa is 100% wild

[torpid bronze]

but yeah the war between china and america is gonna suck

[idle meteor]

I've met people that believe america is a 1st world country

[mystic sequoia]

I've met people who believe in world countries

[torpid bronze]

omg yeah by oldest brother used to do missionary work in africa and like he'd show ppl pictures and they'd be legitmatly surprised that theres buildings and shit

[mystic sequoia]

hell, I technically live in a "1st word country"

[torpid bronze]

i mean first/2nd/3rd world is more of aligned with us aligned with ussr unaligned

it just got adapted as a devlopment index by american centric instituitons

[idle meteor]

that said, technically america is by the OG definition of first/second/third world, as that was geographic yeah

but the new definitions are more.... "wealth" based

[torpid bronze]

like a lot of soviet 2nd world block countries were actually more developed for a long time

[mystic sequoia]

Socially, america seems to even be regressing

[torpid bronze]

in terms of things like health care accessability and food security

[idle meteor]

and hey, I'm in the UK

[torpid bronze]

even home ownership

[idle meteor]

we're farked

[torpid bronze]

yooo we can backslide into hell together

im still trying to live my dream of taking over north and south dakota in america

polticially

[mystic sequoia]

Are you guys affected by climate change yet? that's also a fun one

We have no potable water

everything is dry

[idle meteor]

I mean yeah, we're getting 40c+ summers now

[mystic sequoia]

Mhm

[torpid bronze]

we've had some water issues where i live but its only really gotten to the point of we need to stop sending water to other places

rather than running dry

[idle meteor]

and if the polar flow breaks down (which it keeps threatening to) the UK is just, gigaboned

[torpid bronze]

the place i live is actually one of the major metro areas most situatied to survive climate change

(the odds are still not very good)

[idle meteor]

I'm in the midlands, on a hill so I'll be OK for a while

[torpid bronze]

yeah ive been hearing about the uk freezing over eventually

bcuz of ocean current changes or smth

[mystic sequoia]

And there's still a war going

like, on the background

of everything

[idle meteor]

to be fair, there's always a war going

and pretty major ones

you just don't hear about it so much

[mystic sequoia]

Yeah but, this got mild attention from the media

[torpid bronze]

remembering about how in my final year of school i wrote a paper about a war in ukraine

[mystic sequoia]

Not as much as the fucking chinese spy balloon I'm sure

[torpid bronze]

and this year again war in ukraine

[crystal thistle]

Faye, make the dam Blood Hunter

[mystic sequoia]

yeye

[idle meteor]

there was an ongoing civil war in spain for a long time.
think its still active actually.
then myanmar, pakistan, turkey, palestein, too tired to remember the others, but there's a lot, especially around chinas borders, indias borders, and turkeys borders, as well as the middleeast, and russias borders - ukraine war technically wasn't even new, just... that push and it being officially declared was - the russoukraine war had been going on for what... 8-10 years at that point?

started in 2014

[torpid bronze]

yeah

phillipenes has had rebel activity in the jungle for years and years as well

[mystic sequoia]

Chile is constantly on social riots

[idle meteor]

map of current 'armed conflicts'

[torpid bronze]

iran is also having lots of riots

peru was having riots just a couple months ago

[mystic sequoia]

Argentina isn't just because they are getting too poor to

[torpid bronze]

america is basically in a cold civil war rn too

[crystal thistle]

so like, the global south (with the exception of russian and ukraine)

[mystic sequoia]

You literally can go with minimum wage from my country and live like, a month in a 5 star hotel

In argentina

they are very fucked

[torpid bronze]

you'll also notice which one of these gets all the media attention

[idle meteor]

apparently ethiopia is in a big one

like, huge

[mystic sequoia]

Ye

[torpid bronze]

yemen as well

[idle meteor]

I don't even recall hearing about that one

and by huge, I mean, it started in 2018, and has had as many, or more casualties than the rest of the conflicts on that map combined

[torpid bronze]

im shocked china isnt on this list to tell me about how adrian zenz (a legitmatly psychotic man who doesnt speak or read chinese) found out that theyre giving every muslim woman in the country 9 iuds a week or something

i also havent heard shit about ethiopia lmao

[mystic sequoia]

I heard from memes, ironically, more than media coverage

[torpid bronze]

bruh theyre called al shabab

al shabab

[mystic sequoia]

Luckily here we don't have much happening so, I get some kinda trusworthy news

From tv

[crystal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-nodding-same-gif-20608374

[mystic sequoia]

But news can't be trusted or taken seriusly when they are like

[torpid bronze]

news is so fucked

[mystic sequoia]

"and that's how 5 children horribly died, about the new spider man movie tho..."

They do have to sign a paper on no expresion while telling the news or smth

But god

the mental stress it must be

[crystal thistle]

no expresion?

[mystic sequoia]

You can't cry when talkin bout stuff

for example

You must be impartial

some shit like that

[torpid bronze]

thats wild

[idle meteor]

so,
3 major wars
17 wars
22 minor conflicts
16 skirmishes
We only really hear about what... 1.5 of them, and then are told they started waaaaaaay after they did xD

[mystic sequoia]

They aren't like robots for nothing

but again

that's why they age so quickly

and retire

[idle meteor]

So... news readers aren't meant to be entirely expresionless, but... stoic, netural and just present the news clearly.
Or the propoganda they are given.
One of those

[mystic sequoia]

its a lot of tax on the mind to know the worse about everything and have to tell it with a straight face

like doctors

[crystal thistle]

is that like national laws in some countries or every network can do whatever they want?

[mystic sequoia]

I mean, its kinda the standart

you can't have your brand have opinions

opinions can be wrong

[crystal thistle]

definitely not in the good ol' USA

[idle meteor]

not a law, but very much a broadcasting standard / tradition.
Lots of places don't, and even within countries that do, many don't, but

[mystic sequoia]

if you way that trump is guilty of x and he's found innocent

you lose a lot of ads

and that

[torpid bronze]

god doctors are such assholes

least compassionate ppl ive ever encountered

[crystal thistle]

I agree I agree
just cuz my mom is one

[torpid bronze]

and ive seen a lot of dcotrs

[idle meteor]

I mean, doctors can be yeah - but its...

[mystic sequoia]

We have too many doctors here

[idle meteor]

look at it this way

[crystal thistle]

Germany needs some I've heard

[mystic sequoia]

We have like, 4 per person

[crystal thistle]

or was it therapists they needed? i forgot

[mystic sequoia]

That's a reason we have a relatively good healthcare

There are so many of them

[idle meteor]

they usually give a shit, and they spend all day, every day - in many places 16-20 hours+ a day - helping, dealing with suffering, and people dying.
they're people mechanics, most of their profession is guesswork, cut, bandage or drug people to try and stop the immediate symptoms enough that the body can fix itself, and hope.
And they do this dozens to hundreds of times a day in most places.
Think about working at the grocery store, and how many customers you get - then apply that to healthcare, where the customers regularly randomly die on you

[torpid bronze]

are they from cuban medical schools or do yall also train a lot of doctors?

[idle meteor]

it's not so much being not-compassionate, its about having to deal with all that

and not just, breaking

[mystic sequoia]

Our medical studies are pretty good afaik

[idle meteor]

obv there's doctors that half ass it and are actually bad

but

[torpid bronze]

oh no I totally understand why doctors are assholes, i jsut wish we werent forcing them to work 20 hour days dealing with ppl dying on them all the time

the whole medical industry is set up to be "efficent" and make money but really just kills ppl

[idle meteor]

eh, I mean... the american one might

most places are actually trying to fix you, there's just limits

[mystic sequoia]

I can't really complain about ours

I can take like 10 x rays for a dollar

[torpid bronze]

Canadaian doctors also are pushing against MaID for people with personality disorders

which is so fucked 2 me

[torpid bronze]

on my way lmao

[mystic sequoia]

What's that?

[idle meteor]

there's deffo fucked bits all round

[torpid bronze]

MaID = medical assistance in dying

[mystic sequoia]

oh

euthanasy?

is that the name?

[idle meteor]

euthanasia

[mystic sequoia]

That

[idle meteor]

though this would be more uh... assisted suicide

[torpid bronze]

its a little diffrent from euthanasia, typically with euthanasia you are already dying from soemthing like cancer

and they help you die more peacefully sooner

MaID is more like

you have a complex life long health condition that is destroying quality of life

and are able to get assisted suicide

[idle meteor]

euthanasia is usually an external choice, while AS is a personal one

[torpid bronze]

yeah that too

[mystic sequoia]

That's fucked

[torpid bronze]

im a big proponet of AS and MaID in general

[mystic sequoia]

Wait, is it good??

I'm lost

[torpid bronze]

I have like 3 major incureable mental health issuse

and several seemingly impossible to diangose physical health issues

[idle meteor]

it's a historically, and universally divisive + touchy subject, and a lot of countries would rather just, stop it outright, than deal with the moral and financial questions of doing it

[torpid bronze]

yeah

like

some people dont like it bcuz its uncomfortable to admit that some people would probably be happier dying today than living another 30 or 40 years

[mystic sequoia]

I mean, we do have an amazing health system, psychological therapy is for the rich tho

And bad as shit

I literally was gaslit by therapists from my highschool

[torpid bronze]

but i also think a society that had sucidie booths on the corners (like futurerama) would have incentive to make a better society

[crystal thistle]

futurama has what now?

[torpid bronze]

like part of the social stigma of suicide is to keep society stable with how much of a capitlist society is built of the backs of the oppressed

[mystic sequoia]

So many people would take the chance when they are on a bad place tho?

[idle meteor]

so, it's basically end-of-life care.
Think, people that just, they have severe debilitating diseases that can't be cured, agressive cancer, agressive demensia, etc.
Or you've been supercrushed, and you're a head, half a lung and a life support device.
It's all very case-by-case, but it's all about the option to prevent suffering, if that's what you want

[mystic sequoia]

How do they determine if you qualify?

[torpid bronze]

it depends on the country

[crystal thistle]

thats way too cheap, this isnt in america is it?

[idle meteor]

the consensus isn't "have a bad day, so want to end it, gonna pop to the suicide center", it's full on "you will suffer more, and chose this alternative"

[torpid bronze]

in america you need a terminal illness dx (usually something thats expected to kill you in 6-12 months)

[idle meteor]

and even then, only some states, sometimes

[torpid bronze]

i think like 8 states right now

and the list of conditionsis very limited

some parts of western europe have a more open MaID program where you can talk to your doctor saying you're interested in it

and theres like a whole process

[mystic sequoia]

Ok ok, its way more complex

[torpid bronze]

of assessing if you're suffering and what treatment you've tried and such

yeah

[mystic sequoia]

cuz, on the world we live in

thought it was literally just something you can ask for

Wouldn't doubt it

[crystal thistle]

you thought it was just like popping to your doctor and be like "aight, im out"

[idle meteor]

and the general consensus is very much - terminal, degenerative, incurable, and even palliative care will at best take the edge off, that you will die, and die suffering in the next days/weeks/months/years.

[mystic sequoia]

Yes

[idle meteor]

and yeah - it's a complex issue

[crystal thistle]

it sounds like its basically euthanasia for people that can consent?

[torpid bronze]

yeah basically

[idle meteor]

yes, that's what AS is

[torpid bronze]

its saying that a dog shouldn't have more rights than an adult

[idle meteor]

but think of it like, when you'd have a pet put down, because they will suffer immensely over the next weeks/months, and it's ultiamtely best for them

yeah, that

but the person can choose

[torpid bronze]

which is actually how child abuse laws came to be in america

we had animal welfare laws before child welfare laws XD

[mystic sequoia]

Dude

Didn't america have to decide racism was bad twice?

[crystal thistle]

#nosurprised

[mystic sequoia]

And going for a third

[torpid bronze]

bruh america still cant decide if racism is bad

this country is a shit hole

[idle meteor]

this is also interesting lore, because people in futurama are effectively immortal - you won't die of old age at least

[crystal thistle]

still hasnt

[torpid bronze]

yeah and alot of older people go to the virtaul retierment home rather than actually dying

when their bodies start to break down and such

[idle meteor]

it's not that they choose to, theyre made to

farnsworth hid his age to avoid it

[torpid bronze]

oo

i forgot that

💀

time for a rewatch

[crystal thistle]

smh bunni sharing false information

[mystic sequoia]

Good ol americans

[torpid bronze]

im american and dumb as fuck and proud of it

[idle meteor]

anyway, I have dillied the dally far too long

it is past my bedtime

[torpid bronze]

nini

[crystal thistle]

naaaah its only like, 3am

[idle meteor]

the negative of being an adult, you have to set your own times

and then stick to em

[mystic sequoia]

Nighty night

[mystic sequoia]

Lies

[crystal thistle]

night Nighty

[mystic sequoia]

I haven't had to

and look at me

< Diseased

[idle meteor]

it's 1.20, and I was meant to go bed at 11.30, cos we're meant to be doing the whole.... vaguely daytime thing due to some other shit.
It's going well as you can see

[crystal thistle]

pfffff

[idle meteor]

might give up and shift it to a 10-2 day, rather than an 8-12

[mystic sequoia]

Is your objective 8 hours?

[idle meteor]

or 9-1

8 hour sleep yeah

business hours are 10-17~

so 10-2 would be a bit.. rough xD