Nakros' Renewed Monsters

[torpid niche]

But everyone else who sees this trick would also become aware that it can do it, and so it wont work on anyone that sees it pull this little move

And really, what is dnd but acting out some sort of story/film, tropes and all

[lusty rune]

What about forcing a Wisdom saving throw in the process? You fail and lose the attack (or disadvantage for the turn). Everyone who saw it then becomes immune for whatever long?

[torpid niche]

I think fail or lose the attack, because otherwise it becomes the most pathetic defense mechanism in existence

Used it once, they hit me anyways, and now it works on absolutely no one
A saving throw is usually more fun and tense anyways

.
And everyone who saw it is immune for 24 hours, the usual time for those kinds of effects- like Frightening Presence

[lusty rune]

It's more so about the narrative aspect. I agree with what you describe, it's pretty unnerving, but as you say, transforming into someone they shouldn't know, not without investigating you or probing enough in your mind. It requires proper set up, not that it could use it innately out of the blue against any random creature it fights.

So, how could we fix that?

[torpid niche]

... elaborate?

(Just what I say when I think I need further explanation to understand a subject(

[lusty rune]

I'm still thinking of a good idea, got nothing on my brain to suggest

[torpid niche]

I mean, im about to head to sleep and theres only a few messages left on the counter- so ill save them for tommorow when im awake and full of energy lol
When im in a full "brainstorm" headspace

But all in all I really dont think it needs to much now that we are adding the reactions and the change to shapechanger
Now it can really mess with the party a lot easier, and EVEN BETTER it can just copy your parties racial abilities and stats for some Dm fun

[lusty rune]

Ok, so what I mean with this is that by default a stat block represents what the monster can do innately in any given combat, whether the monster is prepared or not. If some external factor affects it, it's usually stated (I think).

Here, the ability to react to an enemy attack by adopting a form of someone they have a very personal story with to prevent the attack, it implies that the ganger innately knows of this creature's very important person. And knows about it without having to their past (one way or the other).

Everything else you said about how a creature would freeze by suddenly seeing the face of someone they don't want to hurt because they hold dear makes sense to me.

That's how I understand and present this predicament I formulated.

If anything (against my better judgement), it could be reasonable if the ganger can use this special reaction against someone they used Read Thoughts against 3 or more times. But since that adds book keeping is why I don't consider it a good idea.

[winter fossil]

Not meant to be a total fakeout. Just a quick trick to make the attacker hesitate

Would be weird if you were attacking a blue leather bag person and they turned into your mom

[torpid niche]

Well, here we are folks. The 5000th Message.
We've certainly come a long way, to uh, some degree
Id like to thank any and everyone whose helped us, supported us, or even just watched us work on this project
A milestone has been hit, lets damn sure enjoy it

@lusty rune @hollow charm @fringe gulch @fiery nexus @vast cape @solar olive @fallen sparrow @winter fossil @wheat sorrel @sleek owl @fervent pivot @sullen sphinx@woven crow @silk parrot @dark yacht @raw apex @stiff jasper @worthy merlin

[stiff jasper]

Woooo!

And that art is really nice

[wheat sorrel]

I'm imagining every single doctor in D&D asking if they want the knife removed from the head lol.

[lusty rune]

Thank you so much, this is so nice.

Wait, is that bad dragon soup?

[torpid niche]

BLUE DRAGON BONE SOUP-

[lusty rune]

Phew, was worried for a sec

[torpid niche]

(Blue dwagons are my favwite dwagons, unlike other chromatics their also much more loving of their family and relatives- they got family values at heart)

[lusty rune]

Which is why making blue dragon soup is so difficult, you have to put the whole family in there

[stiff jasper]

But it does give a good flavor

[torpid niche]

A delicious end for the whole family!

[lusty rune]

Boss! There's someone named He-man at the gate.

[torpid niche]

TELL EM TO PISS OFF

[lusty rune]

He says he brings pizza.

[torpid niche]

RRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH

Fine.

Fine fine fine

He can come in, fine fine fine, as long as he doesnt mess with my monsters

[lusty rune]

Looks outside
Not with the ones inside at least

[sleek owl]

Tell em to come back with a warrant!

[lusty rune]

"What's up? I'm ready to party!"

"I brought pizza"

[torpid niche]

Eghh, send the spectator and the solar to party with him- theyll get along

We still have work to do

And if He-Man has suggestions take them with a BARREL of salt

[torpid niche]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bub7NnXLRE1g-fKtnmRZxfFlCqVkodQluB-QwU1wCzk/edit?usp=sharing
To celebrate, we have a new medium that we will be working with

@lusty rune @hollow charm @fringe gulch @fiery nexus @vast cape @solar olive @fallen sparrow @winter fossil @wheat sorrel @sleek owl @fervent pivot @woven crow @silk parrot @dark yacht @raw apex @stiff jasper @worthy merlin

The Renewed Retrospect will be getting all monsters we've worked on so far (ill start with these 5 for yall to play with), with the changes we discussed beforehand

And additional space to put in ideas you have in retrospect

MOST IMPORTANTLY is the addition of new spaces to add unique effects and lair actions to the monsters lairs, meaning we could give each monster in this book lair effects if we wanted as well

Ive allowed commenting priveleges, so have at it!

Renewed Retrospect Link (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bub7NnXLRE1g-fKtnmRZxfFlCqVkodQluB-QwU1wCzk/edit?usp=sharing)

Literally allows us to "look back at our work"

And change things if it suits us

[sullen sphinx]

Can I be removed from yonder ping list? I'll hover around but notifications got me stressed atm lol

The format looks neat though. I like change logs on revamps, because I want to know what the changes actually are

[torpid niche]

I gotchu

[lusty rune]

Sorry, but before you go, could you pin that message, please?

[torpid niche]

Oh, the image posted after the link message got pinned

Uh, I guess that works lol?

[torpid niche]

Either way this is just about the most important link here by far, since it will literally be our medium to look back at changes

[lusty rune]

In a way, it does. Easier to spot

[torpid niche]

Just found a way to cheat the system, edited the message so now it includes the link as well

[lusty rune]

I can't believe you shitted

[winter fossil]

Why does basilisk have same re vamps as behir?

[torpid niche]

Oh its work inprogress rn lol

I was putting it in but stepped away to get my pizza out of the oven

[lusty rune]

"Hey, man, your pizza, like, sucks and stuff. Let's eat mine instead."

[sullen sphinx]

Sorry lol

[torpid niche]

Nah it worked out in the end, your good!

[torpid niche]

S H U T U P H E M A N

Anyways the funny eyes lizard is Basifixed

[lusty rune]

You know what would be hilarious? You go to visit a necromancer's house, and right next to the living room is the dying room

[lusty rune]

Also, didn't realize this, but we literally managing a Pokedex

So, let me get this straight, we put the premise of the change we want to apply, but we still discuss it here, right?

[torpid niche]

We discuss all changes here but are recorded in the document

Monster lair options are recommended seperately by commenting in the doc- as are new changes we consider after finishing a monster, hence "additional changes" section. In case in we want to change something else in retrospect

[torpid niche]

Enhance These Enemies...
Day 59, Dragons...
"Dragons? Splendid things, lad – so long as ye look upon them only in tapestries, or in the masks worn at revels, or from about three realms off." -- Astragarl Hornwood

Dungeons and dragons, by the gods, certainly includes dragons. These beasts make up the forefront of the strongest and most legendary creatures that exist within the forgotten realms, creatures of endless variety and mysticity.

In the dawns of time two dragon gods were birthed, whom formed the Chromatic and Metallic dragons (the Gem dragons were also there IG). Dragons completely dominated the entirety of Toril, that was until war broke out between the Dragon and Giant nations- eventually leading to Dragons driving Giants out altogether- though not wiping them out. In part due to their newfound civil war, which resulted in the seperations of Metallic and Chromatic Dragons (the Gem Dragons were there too IG), and the depowerment of many a dragon god outside of the patron saint of metallic dragons, Bahamut, and his sister the patron saint of chromatic dragons, Tiamat.

Each and every single part of a true dragon is magical in origin, jewels and coins embedded into the crevaces of their skin from millenia of sleeping on their hoards. The value buried in each piece of a dragon, from hidden wealth to intense magics, made them by far the most sought after prizes within adventurer circles.
Despite being reptillian in appearence, a Dragon is far more akin to a cat than a reptile- being warm blooded, and possessing eyes more akin to felines than any lizard.

@lusty rune @hollow charm @fringe gulch @fiery nexus @vast cape @solar olive @fallen sparrow @winter fossil @wheat sorrel @sleek owl @fervent pivot @woven crow @silk parrot @dark yacht @raw apex @stiff jasper @worthy merlin

(As reminder, "Enhance These Enemies" is when we make a unifying trait for a set group of monsters, which all of them will have. Like Devils or Angels, or in this case, Dragons...)

[worthy merlin]

Could I get an example of previous unifying traits?

[lusty rune]

Devils have the ability to gather souls which they could use to ascend to a higher level (or summon lesser devils I think)

Demons explode when dying, or something

Celestials, I don't remember

[lusty rune]

Hehe, hornwood

[worthy merlin]

What about some form of magic absorption then

Give their very magical nature

Absorb magic either from spells, artifacts, surroundings, then unleash it with empowered breath weapons or otherwise

[lusty rune]

The gem dragons are like that one brother who crashes in your apartment, laying on the couch all day eating pop corn, watching all the chaos unfold.

[wheat sorrel]

Some sort of defensive feature would work. Magic resistance or really tough scales. If magic resistance, I'd say it's how they adapt to spellcasters.

[lusty rune]

There's a simpler solution, innate spellcasting

It's already suggested in the manual that dragons could be given spells if you want them to be more magical

[wheat sorrel]

Bahamut: "Listen, for the purposes of peace, we must come together."
Tiamat: "NEVER! I will give the world it's rightful rulers; dragons!"
Sardior: "Hey, is the microwave supposed to smell like that? Probably fine."

[wheat sorrel]

In my mind, dragons are the utmost apex predator in all environments. They survive simply based off their natural skills and wits.

Similar to all spellcasting classes, I feel like a dragon should only have spellcasting if they had a magical bloodline, made a pact, studied for years, or something similar.

[lusty rune]

You just reminded me of a manwha I was reading, basically journey to the west part 2: electric boogaloo. Now all the gods are in civil war. You have evil gods fighting the good gods, suddenly appears the one and only neutral god, who is literally so neutral he won't stop them from fighting, and everyone hates him.

[lusty rune]

In any case, if you want to go the spell resistance route, I would recommend the spell immunity type. That way, you can level up the immunity based on the dragon tier.

[wheat sorrel]

If there ever is a cosmic war in D&D, it'd be funny if it cut to the Lady of Pain saying "this is fine"

[lusty rune]

Newborns being immune to 1st-level, ancients to 6th or 7th

[wheat sorrel]

Dragons are probably hunted only by high level characters, including spellcasters, so it makes sense.

Also, are we doing each individual dragon as well, or variant traits for each of them on one statblock per age?

[lusty rune]

Good question, once we have done the one for all trait we move to each individually, but in this case is crazy cause we have them divided by age and color.

So, do we make them in batches of ages with slight variations by color or...?

[wheat sorrel]

I prefer giving each dragon their own unique traits instead of giving them all universal traits.

[raw apex]

Its 4 per color, no? whelp, young, adult, ancient (do we count greatwyrms?). I think each color should be done together

[wheat sorrel]

Greatwyrms would be pretty cool to do. The question is, would you fight a greatwyrm ever?

[worthy merlin]

I mean yeah that's the easy solution

Feels a little boring though

[lusty rune]

I don't know, you never know, but it's cool to have one just in case someone is brave (or stupid) enough

[lusty rune]

It's easy to escalate depending on age and easy to select some general and specific ones.

[raw apex]

I agree. From two perspectives; A) I like them more as super powerful godly set pieces you cannot fight unless in a weakened state. And B) So very few folks get to those kinds of levels anyways so ehh

[lusty rune]

And having an arsenal of spells gives them enough variety in combat

[wheat sorrel]

But on the other other hand, it'd be awesome to just overload them with powerful and flavorful abilities.

[lusty rune]

Yeah, I don't disagree on that

I meant it's a good addition

[torpid niche]

The Gem dragons being the neutral dragons makes the most sense by far, since they effectively just didnt involve with ANYTHING important thatd happened in dragon history

[wheat sorrel]

5 ages, 5 dragons in each category, 25 days of stuff. Doesn't seem too bad.

[raw apex]

I do think innate spellcasting should be kept an optional, and instead they be given color-based features and the adult+ ones be given a damage threshold or resistance/immunity to nonmagical BPS

[torpid niche]

I like the possibility of one similar ability that comes in 3 varieties, one for the chromatic dragons, one for metallic dragons, one for gem dragons

[lusty rune]

You have a dragon with fire themed spells, but he is in such a bad mood that decides to pop off his ultimate right off the bat:

https://tenor.com/view/go-die-gif-19748053

[torpid niche]

we are not doing seperate days for each age of each dragon fuck no-

For dragons we examine the adult age mainly and apply select changes as seen fit to the other ages

[lusty rune]

You might be thinking: "that's just fireball!" And I say to you: "fireball is a spark that explodes, now imagine what this will do"

[wheat sorrel]

Y'know, I think a thousand-year old 20th level spellcaster is smarter than me. Who would have thunk?

[wheat sorrel]

A red greatwyrm who is so sad and drunk that he thinks he's just some old geezer.

[lusty rune]

He glitches from time to time, what with the dagger and stuff

[torpid niche]

I do not know what joke is, but it might have something to do with me being a lich? Idk lol
Im bad at humor

I suddenly get joke

[worthy merlin]

Ah yeah, Liches are known for their bad humour

[raw apex]

"Get off my lawn!"

[wheat sorrel]

Yeah. And the knife too...

[torpid niche]

cackles in +1 knife in forehead

[wheat sorrel]

As soon as someone enters his 50 mile-territory.

[lusty rune]

It gives him some... foresight

(Cause he can't have a forsekin)

[wheat sorrel]

So adult, and then expand into ancient and greatwyrm, and then dial it back to young and wyrmling?

[lusty rune]

50-foot bear can hurled from the cave

[lusty rune]

For one, the spell immunity solves that

[wheat sorrel]

What do you mean?

[lusty rune]

What I explained earlier. Spell Immunity as a global trait, and tweak the spell level the dragon is immune to based on age.

Can someone check for me at what level is a party supposed to fight an adult?

[torpid niche]

👍

[wheat sorrel]

I'm still confused. I would think dragons would have more powerful or less powerful features depending on their CR, right? Also, different adult dragons have different CR, so it depends.

[lusty rune]

We have to first define a trait every dragon will have. Then move to specifics

[raw apex]

An adult red is CR17, adult green is CR15. So depending on color i'm pretty sure as a boss, the party should be around level 11-13. Especially with magic items.

[torpid niche]

I still find it fun to remember a Dragon is closer to a housecat than an Iguana biologically

[winter fossil]

We doing dragons?

[torpid niche]

Oh yeah, we doing dragons

Specifically finding a unifying feature for dragons

[raw apex]

That sounds so wrong

doing dragons

[winter fossil]

Please no

[torpid niche]

The bard would know

[raw apex]

I advocate for a damage threshold for dragons of adult and above

[wheat sorrel]

But why does spell immunity solve having different ages?

[raw apex]

I think dragons have enough in common in their basic playstyle (bite and claw attacks, breath weapon when charged, use terrain and flying). But i do also support the scaling magic immunity idea

[raw apex]

because every age-up, you can sorta... show i think is the right word? the climb in power by giving immunity to higher level spells.
Wyrmling: immune to spells of 1st level or lower, advantage vs all other magic
Young: immune to spells of 3rd level or lower, advantage vs all other magic
and so on

[lusty rune]

I never knew that, but they certainly are as territorial and jerkish

[lusty rune]

You know? I forgot breath weapon IS their unifying trait

[raw apex]

... tbf same

[lusty rune]

@torpid niche
Dragons already have Bad Breath as their unifying trait, do we need another?

[raw apex]

i dunno if that's the right @ my friend

[lusty rune]

Immunity + resistance + LR = Nightmare

[lusty rune]

Mothrefucking Discord

Always fucking up that obe tag

Every single fucking time I try to tag Nakros that other name always pops off

[torpid niche]

Yeah honestly they probably have enough in common to excuse a unifying feature

[raw apex]

Here's an idea: i've played with the idea of dragons being innately magical before in the form of wild magic being heavily associated with them, and they learn to control it better as they age up. Maybe instead of magic immunity or something else, as a way to show their innate magic-ness, as a reaction, adults and above can cause a wild magic burst to happen when magic is cast around them. And for wyrmlings and youngins it can have a 50% chance of triggering instead of the dragon deciding it triggers

Also they definitely should have the Magic Weapons trait

[tender narwhal]

Hasn't that been deleted in MPMM and other newer books?

[tender narwhal]

A wild magic dragon would be interesting, but it's hard and swingy to run.
A hard no on that one.

[raw apex]

Unsure, but they should deffo count their BPS from claws and bites as magical. Also fair enough on the wild magic

[torpid niche]

Id bring it back, every scale and claw, every fang, every drop of blood even- has magial properties in a dragon, so its only logical they would be considered magic weapons

[lusty rune]

Yeah, bring it back

Multiverse and One suck

[winter fossil]

Might as well add on

Dragons not having a natural wing attack is bull

Screw older dragons having it as a legendary action

[lusty rune]

I wonder, if instead of a wing attack they fly with their wings open crushing everything on their path?

It would change so much that it sounds annoying to be fair, but I like to picture it

[torpid niche]

To be frank im not sure of the practicality of wing attacks, considering they arent really made to be weapons and are very delicate

Compared to something like a tail or talons

[lusty rune]

Drop and roll over attack

[torpid niche]

Stop drop, roll over a village 🙂

[lusty rune]

Hold on, I might have thought of something every dragon needs. A ranged attack

[torpid niche]

No I really dont think so lol

[lusty rune]

I haven't seen a dragon stat block in a long time, so I don't remember how they all work. I know adults get LA to move a lot

[lusty rune]

I was thinking something like a spit attack

[torpid niche]

They have a breath weapon, and id rather not have our first option to always give ranged attacks
Its fine, just definitely not on something with a flying speed as obnoxious as a dragond

[lusty rune]

So it goes in theme with the breath

[torpid niche]

The hell is a barbarian meant to do if it just stays in the air, its MEANT to come down into melee range

[lusty rune]

Fair, dragons can fly I suppose

[torpid niche]

Thematically they more often have delays between breath attacks to recharge, hence why its a... recharge

[lusty rune]

The wizard is supposed to give the barbarian fly. Or the barbarian is supposed to lunch itself into the air.

[torpid niche]

He will fly out of sheer willpower and anger

[lusty rune]

Rageous jump

[lusty rune]

It was the recharge that pushed me to suggest the spit. So it's more reliable. Like, if being fair I would have given it low damage and no multi ranged attack. Just something to poke at the distance.

[torpid niche]

Ehhhhhhhhh, still dont like that in practice
It doesnt feel like a titanic beast, it feels like an annoying boss monster who oneshots a party member- keeps flying and refuses to come down, keeps poking you stoping your damage dealers from having options- then oneshotting a party member again

[lusty rune]

Btw, I don't recall what's your opinion on innate spellcasting with dragons or giving them spell immunity (instead or on top of magic resistance)?

Not gonna lie, Crown (I think it was) suggested magical damage tresholds for dragons. It sounded really cool that dragons had damage tresholds in general, but fucking awful to do in practice.

This is one of those cases we will reduce the attacks to Natural Weapon, right?

[raw apex]

That was me XD. Damage threshold for adult and older dragons yeah, just a simple "if the dragon takes 5 or less damage from any source, it takes none instead". Number is only an example ofc i don't know the actual number i'd put in there

Probably 10 for adult, 15 for Ancient

[lusty rune]

It's just martials don't have high damage per attack, right? Probably 10 is too much for them, but I don't know the math and I'm lazy

[west kindle]

At best you have 1d12+5 per hit then there's stuff like sneak attack and smite or brutal critical

[lusty rune]

Pretty much anything after 5 is hell for martials

[torpid niche]

I dont think they really need a damage threshold

Magic resistance works fine as is, spell immunity- while cool- is hard af to balance

[lusty rune]

Is it? Sounds easier than I think

[wheat sorrel]

It feels invalidating and hard. If you are low on spell slots, you aren't going to be able to do anything to it.

[lusty rune]

Which is why I wouldn't put it together with magic resistance and LR (at worst one or the other). The rest is how you convey the information to the players, because they can easily prepare to it.

If you know you are going to fight that kind of monster at the end, then you should prioritize using low level slots.

[wheat sorrel]

Between 8th and 9th level spell slots for a wizard, there are 2 slots. 2 slots is not enough to kill an ancient dragon.

[torpid niche]

I just consider it way too demoralising for spellcasters and limits their options way too much- think of the Warlocks, Seba
THINK OF THE WARLOCKS

Also replacing two generally defensive features for one potent defensive feature that is hostile towards about half the class list is not what id consider... fun

So Magic Resistance stays, thats my final say

Anyways Dragons themselves got an extra day on the backburner, tommorow we talk about our first unique species

[lusty rune]

Fair and fair

Uhm, question, why does Tarrasque have reflective carapace?

Could a dragon have that?

I don't know the lore or logic behind that

[lusty rune]

?

[torpid niche]

Im not keen on giving them reflective carrapace, its really a Tarrasque exclusive and id rather let them keep their one unique thing (theyll get more when we get to tear them a new one but for now it is what it is)- plus its a lore thing for the tarrasque
Again, magic resistance suits dragons perfectly fine

[lusty rune]

That's why I'm asking about the lore behind it

(I wanna say I'm too busy to look up for myself, but it's actually I'm very lazy and would rather have someone else explain it to me, even if it's to have a conversation)

[torpid niche]

The tarrasque itself has no confirmed lore in its background, only a plethora of theories to its creation

Its one of the few dnd monsters with no serious fleshed out background outside of how it will every few dozen decades rise from the earth and wreak havoc only to burrow to the center of the earth once more

[lusty rune]

It's also weird how the second staple of it is how players can find ways to beat it at low levels in each edition

[torpid niche]

Enhance This Enemy
Day 60, Black Dragons
The foulest tempered of the Chromatic Dragons, their scales a deep obsidian black, with two horns sprouting from the sides of their head curving towards their foes. Their maws leaked fetid acid, which they could breathe to melt their victims.
The personalities of Black Dragons were absolutely horrific, and territorial as the hells. The victims at the mercy of a black dragon was met with torture and slow deaths, using their true strength those they would deem a threat. Black Dragons would rather approach a threat with an ambush than a fair fight if it felt threatened, and would take any measure to prolong its own life- only accepting death if the alternative would mean they would be forced under anothers control. Their sadism and cowardice made them considered vile, even by the standards of other chromatic dragons.

They made homes in swamps and rotten jungles, building hoards of treasure from dead nations. With every passing nation they watched fall in their lifetimes they relished their own existence even more, pilfering the valuables left in the ruins after the cultures demise.

Their horns served no offensive use, being purely decorative as they were too blunt and short to meaningfully attack. Their horns however did protect their head from attack and assist in intimidation.
They breathed acid from their maws, and were impressively powerful below water, with extremely quick swimming and improved eyesight below the murky water.

@lusty rune @hollow charm @fringe gulch @fiery nexus @vast cape @solar olive @fallen sparrow @winter fossil @wheat sorrel @sleek owl @fervent pivot @woven crow @silk parrot @dark yacht @raw apex @stiff jasper @worthy merlin @west kindle

Going to be honest with yall, the most interesting thing about this statblock is the Amphibious trait-- because everything else is a default for every other dragon

[lusty rune]

Day 50? Did we go back in time?

[tender narwhal]

It'd be cool if it could use swamp plants to attack its opponents for it
Mostly just restraining, but a potential blindness, movement, or direct damage effect could work

[torpid niche]

Whoops, chronomancy spells on the fritz again-

[west kindle]

1. Can you add me to the ping list
2. To make the black dragon feel cruel how do you feel about an actual DOT?

Let it heal or gain something from that damage too

[torpid niche]

1. Sure, I just never added because you specifically noted at one point to ping you when we got a dog- so I thought you would only want to be notified of dorgs lol
2. Maybe rework their breath weapons so their more differentiated-
   Like, per se an acid breath that slowly melts the flesh...

[west kindle]

I kinda thought so myself but I do want to try to contribute if I can think of anything

[west kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/this-guy-gets-it-nick-offerman-gif-14758472

I want to feel the acid etching

[tender narwhal]

I like the delayed damage acid thing
Maybe add that to one of the attacks, and have a separate damage over time ability that requires a player action to end
Also don't ping me pls

[torpid niche]

Understood (im guessing you mean dont add you to the ping list, because as is you arent yet in it )

[wheat sorrel]

Ambush predator. Maybe advantage on stealth checks while submerged under water or when concealed by foliage?

Maybe the acid breath also reduces AC temporarily, until someone uses an action to shake it off? Maybe they also have a anti-help action as a bonus action/reaction. Disadvantage on the next check/attack roll/saving throw?

The frightened condition seems like it might be a good tool in a black dragon's arsenal.

Maybe the horns can be used to destroy objects and structures, because they are more blunt?

It could have an action to erupt from underwater, which could be used to ambush unaware creatures. Some damage and prone on a failed dex save.

If the dragon gets a frightening effect, maybe reducing a creature to 0 hit points forces all creatures frightened by the dragon to run away in fear.

Acid Breath (Recharge 5-6). The dragon exhales acid in a X-foot cone. Each creature in that area must make a Dexterity saving throw or take XdX acid damage, and have their AC reduced by X for 1 minute. A creature can use its action to shake off the acid, restoring the amount of AC that was reduced.

And then possibly.
Wrack. The dragon chooses one creature that it can see within 30 feet of it that has its AC reduced by its Acid Breath. That creature takes XdX acid damage, as the pain it previously experienced returns temporarily.

I think Black Dragons might focus more on jumping and splashing around in the water, possibly using their horns to clear paths through swamp trees, and gliding down from higher swamp hills.

[torpid niche]

I will review in these in the morning- its my 10:30 lol

[wheat sorrel]

I'm just spewing (hehe) out ideas lol. Maybe the AC reduction only applies to armor.

[lusty rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Izm1LQfw4
Acid attack you say?

[raw apex]

Make it destroy nonmagical armor with its acid, or is that too much? Like the rust monster's rust thingy, each turn while the acid is on a creature wearing armor, the armor takes a permanent and cumulative -1 to the AC it offers

[lusty rune]

It should be either that or persistent damage, both would be too punishing

However, I also enjoy the corrosive ability

(It should apply to weapons too

[tender narwhal]

There's precedence for this with Ooze's pseudopod doing corrosion

[lusty rune]

With this dragon, all I can say is that I prefer the persistent damage over the corrosion. I suggest a d8 acid damage that lasts for 1 minute, which accumulates everytime they fail the save against the breath weapon. They can repeat the save at the end of each turn to end the effect.

I agree it needs some ambush feature, whether it is some advantage on Stealth when fully submerged in swamp/murky water or becoming invisible for a turn in those environments.

Since they are cowards, either give them a BA or LA to Dash or Disengage.

[raw apex]

Also idk bout y'all, but i've always felt like a dragon's Tail attack should force a save vs going prone

For creatures that are one size or more smaller than the dragon. Maybe two sizes.

Or maybe just Large or smaller

And also i've always run adult and older dragons' claw and tail attacks to be able to target up to 3 medium or smaller creatures within 5ft of each other. Same attack roll and everything.

[lusty rune]

I mean, if it is by size alone, every attack should send you flying away. I am not genuinely excited about adding that trait. And the claw sweep attack should be fine as long as it's not in the multiattack.

But, now that you mention it, why dragons don't have a swallow attack?

[torpid niche]

I propose the following:

Proficiencies. Now has expertise in stealth (+12).
Multiattack.
Tail. 3 targets

Surprise Attack (Feature). If the dragon surprises a creature and hits it with an attack during the first round of combat, the target takes an extra 10 (3d6) damage from the attack.

Cowardly (Feature). If the dragon starts its turn with less than half of its hit points, it can move up to half its speed directly away from a hostile creature.

Deathly Stench (Feature). Any creature that starts its turn within 5 ft of the dragon must succeed on a DC 10 Constitution saving throw or be poisoned until the start of its next turn. On a successful saving throw, the creature is immune to the dragons Stench for 24 hours.

Murky Waves (Action). The dragon intoxicates water its standing in, using it as a weapon against its foes. The dragon sweeps a wave of water that is 10 feet tall and 15 feet forward 30 feet from itself. Each creature the wave passes through must succeed a DC 18 Strength saving throw, being pushed 10 feet backward and taking 10 (3d6) poison damage on a failed save, or taking half as much damage and being pushed half as far on a success.
The Dragon can only use this action if it stands in a pool of water.

Fetid Acid Breath (Action, Recharge 5-6, Replaces Acid Breath.) The dragon exhales a fleshcurdling acid in a 60-­foot line that is 5 feet wide. Each creature in that line must make a DC 18 Dexterity saving throw, taking 18 (4d8) acid damage and being drenched in acid on a failed save, or half as much damage and not becoming drenches on a successful one.
A creature drenched in acid takes 1d4 acid damage at the start of each of its turn, plus an additional 1d4 acid damage for each of its turns its been drenched. As an action a creature or another creature within 5 feet of it can make a DC 18 Dexterity saving throw, managing to wipe the acid from itself and end the effect on a success.

[lusty rune]

Deathly Stench
Me: "Must. Avoid. Making. Fart jokes"

Wait, poison? But that's green dragon's territory

[torpid niche]

Ah, fair

[torpid niche]

Their the ones who decided to live in a swamp, ridicule them all you want 😄

[lusty rune]

If I did that I would be making fun of ogres, and I learned to never do that, because deep down they are sensible creatures covered in layers

[lusty rune]

The traits themselves work fine if you swap it for acid damage

[lusty rune]

I'm not sure if the initial damage is too nerfed, but the threat is real. I'm legit not sure if the second save should be Constitution instead of Dexterity, or some flat ability check.

[torpid niche]

Alchemists fire uses a DEX save, which also involves wiping off a dangerous-to-touch liquid, so I went with DEX save

And the initial damage has been cut to 1/3 of the original (OG being 12d8) so id say thats plenty nerfed

[lusty rune]

(Ok, let me rephrase it to "is the nerf fair?")

If the math says yes, cool

[torpid niche]

Math cool, it has its other features as well so it should work fine

[lusty rune]

Btw, what changed about the multiattack?

[torpid niche]

Ohp, I considered changing something but went against it- so uh- ignore that lol

Nothing changed im just silly

[lusty rune]

The one thing I don't know jack shit how to handle is if multiattack should consider the tail attack.

Like we talked before, it's main attack is probably replaced now by a singular 10 feet natural weapon. So multiattack three times or a single tail attack that can target 3 creatures

If that were the case, how different do they have to be?

Damage wise

Cause range wise I would leave the tail as 15 feet

Oh, then the tail could probably have one less damage die, and natural attacks have extra acid damage?

Wait, wait

What if, tail is a CONE attack

15-foot radius cone, Dex save

[lusty rune]

(Is that a "shrug"?)

[torpid niche]

(Panic-Shrug)

[lusty rune]

(Fair, I got inspired)

[torpid niche]

I think it can just be a 3 target 15 foot smacko attack lol, and deal average damage
it has plenty of AOE options as is now with the acid water and its already present BW

[lusty rune]

Yeah, I ignored the water thingy

To be fair, it could be one or the other

A 3 target sweep is almost an AoE, right?

And I imagine the tail attack will become a staple between all dragons

[torpid niche]

Ye

[lusty rune]

If anything, the wave could be moved to a Lair Action

(I'm gonna abbreviate that as LaA if you don't mind)

[lusty rune]

Narrative weakness: If the dragon has to choose between a life as a slave or death, it will commit sudoku

[torpid niche]

Or possibly while under the effects of a Charm or Mind Control it will always make attacks if it can, and deal recoil damage to itself

Doing everything it can to lash out and end the effect, and if it ends up killing itself in the process so be it

[lusty rune]

Does being the cowards they are mean they are extra susceptible to the frightened condition?

[torpid niche]

Hmm, I dont imagine

Quick to run, not quick to be intimidated

[lusty rune]

Oh, then let's add "frightened" to the run away trait

[torpid niche]

No thats the opposite of what im saying-

They arent necessarily scared, but they preserve their life above anyone elses

Not the luigi type of coward
The wormtongue type of coward (if that makes sense)

[lusty rune]

Yeah, if they are either frightened or really wounded they will attempt to run away

While chipping some damage

[winter fossil]

You cast the spell in elven order rather than rune of the Fae Court

[torpid niche]

'

Dangit, messed it up again

[raw apex]

Simple fix: "The dragon makes three attacks; one with its bite, one with its claws, and one with its tail

[raw apex]

Cowardly should prolly be "without provoking opportunity"
I'd increase the Deathly Stench save DC to a proper 18.
Murky Waves as an action would never get used, as it contends with its multiattack and its breath weapon. Maybe a legendary action replacing the Tail Attack one?
The breath weapon's initial damage is way too low. I'd do 45 (10d8) at least. And d6s or even d8s for the drench damage.

[lusty rune]

So 5 attacks

[raw apex]

Wut no

three

Bite, Claw, Tail

[lusty rune]

We are talking about tail multitargeting

[raw apex]

Oh right. Essentially yeah? Though the tail should make one attack roll vs all three

[lusty rune]

Which is still three attacks at once

[raw apex]

Or keep the tail as a legendary, put Murky Waters as a BA.

[lusty rune]

Like I said, something like Murky Water, being heavily terrain dependant, should be a LaA

[raw apex]

Why?

I don't see how it being terrain dependant makes it have to be a legendary action tbh

[lusty rune]

Lair Action

[raw apex]

Oh that's what the extra a was for. My bad. I thought it was a mistype

I still don't think simply being terrain dependant makes it fit better as a lair action tbh

Perfectly okay as a legendary or BA. I'd even recommend it being a BA, and keep the tail as a legendary, but lower its damage die to d6s

So Multiattack with a bite and two claws
BA murky waters if its in watery terrain
legendary Tail Attack, Wing Attack if you want the prone and movement or if there aren't 3 enemies within 5ft of each other. Detect when necessary.

Prone underwater or in difficult terrain (which i'd imagine a murky swamp would be) should be pretty neat too, so it's gonna have plenty incentive to spend the 2 cost for the wing attack

That being mentioned, it should ignore difficult terrain caused by water or swamplands

Maybe only swampy terrain

And i do feel like we should also take a look at their lair effects and actions

[lusty rune]

I once showed a book that gave every monster (I think) lair actions

So I didn't want to suggest anything

Even some... What's it called? Terrain transformation? Uhm

That thing when a monster changes the environment from taking residence

It's a solid book, and doesn't really conflict with our views or goals

I can share it again if you are interested, but later.

In summary, every LaA suggestion from me will be from that book

[torpid niche]

Enhance This Enemy
Day 61, Blue Dragons

@lusty rune @hollow charm @fringe gulch @fiery nexus @vast cape @solar olive @fallen sparrow @winter fossil @wheat sorrel @sleek owl @fervent pivot @woven crow @raw apex @stiff jasper @worthy merlin @west kindle

.
Okay so compared to other Dragons, a Blue Dragon (My favourite dragon) is:

1. Quite tactful and properly manipulative
2. Quick and Agile in the air
3. Can apparently induce hallucinations
4. Can use its lightning breath weapon as a chaotic electric discharge, instead of a line

[west kindle]

I think the first and simplest thing is giving it a cone option for it's breath attack

[raw apex]

Deception prof, maybe 18 INT.
100ft fly speed instead of 80. (Maybe flyby instead?
Hallucinatory Terrain spell, or illusory terrain as lair environment effect
"The dragon unleashes a large sphere of lightning at a point within 90ft of it. The lightning explodes in a destructive wave. 30ft sphere area, DEX saves against same damage as normal (12d10)"

[winter fossil]

Indeed

[silk parrot]

Same, actually, I'd like to be removed from the pinglist (though I might ask to be added back to the pinglist a few months from now when I have time to hyperfixate over homebrew again, lol)

[torpid niche]

KK 😄

[winter fossil]

Chain lightning would be neat

[torpid niche]

Maybe it could create the discharge in a 10 foot sphere around it, and will continue to bounce to enemies within 10 feet of the original, even outisde the original burst

(Maybe stop after 2 bounces each tho, to avoid infinite chains lol)

[winter fossil]

What if it had an interaction with metal armor

Like a disadvantage on save or taking a little extra damage

[torpid niche]

Oh most definitely, disadvantage on save would make sense

[winter fossil]

I have one gripe though

If the dragon can make a spherical discharge it has to be a cool down otherwise its just unfair to any melee character wearing metal armor

Especially unfair to fighters and paladins

We don't want to undermine them anymore than the caster do

[torpid niche]

It could probably used as an alternate option for lightning breath, still spends the breath use

[lusty rune]

https://youtu.be/ocDpc9Ip8J8?feature=shared

[lusty rune]

If we give black drags expertise in Stealth, then give these exp in Deception

[lusty rune]

You forgot a K

[west kindle]

[lusty rune]

Based on the other ideas:

• I wouldn't increase their fly speed. While aerial combat specialist, they are better burrowers. Thus, Flyby sounds great.
• I would be on board with sacrificing some fly speed for more burrow speed.
• Idk if I'm high, but I recall black dragons not dealing acid damage with their weapon attacks. Uhm, I advocate for all dragons to have that extra damage accordingly.
• Replacing the LA tail attack as we did with the previous one (tho I don't what the consensus was on that).
• And instead of a lightning ball, make it a lightning explosion, centered on itself. It expends a use of Breath Weapon tho.
• If you want a lightning chain effect, the easiest solution is looking at the chaos bolt spell. The dragon can cast it, but it's always lightning damage.

[lusty rune]

What, you never heard of the Koran Kombat Klub?

[winter fossil]

On the topic of chaos bolt. Would continuously leap until it has it all the creatures it can or would it function more like chaos bolt with just all option being lightning damage

[torpid niche]

Dont mind me, just working on setting up commission work

[winter fossil]

?

[winter fossil]

Sweet

[torpid niche]

Ive been a bit inactive lol, just explaining that

[winter fossil]

Ahh

[torpid niche]

Alright so:

Speed. Burrow 30 -> 50
Proficiencies. Persuasion (added), Deception (added)

Flyby (Feature). The dragon doesn't provoke opportunity attacks while flying.
Hallucinatory Magic (Feature). The dragon can cast the Silent Image spell at will, and the Hallucinatory Terrain spell once each day. Charisma is its spellcasting ability for these spells.
Surging Breath (Action, Recharge 5-6, Replaces Lightning Breath). The dragon exhales lightning in either a 90-­foot line that is 5 feet wide, or a 20 foot sphere centered on itself. Each creature in the area must make a DC 19 Dexterity saving throw, taking 44 (8d10) lightning damage on a failed save, or half as much damage on a successful one.
If a creature fails this saving throw, a creature the dragon chooses within 25 feet of it (even one outside the area) must make a DC 19 Dexterity saving throw, taking 16 (3d10) lightning damage on a failure, or half as much on a success.
Tail. Employs new tail patch notes

.
Also maybe the Earthen Breach feature Ankhegs were given

[lusty rune]

I meant the latter

[lusty rune]

Maybe expertise in Deception, and the secondary breath damage should deal no damage upon a successful save (specially if it can target creatures already inside the area)

[torpid niche]

Gotcha

[winter fossil]

That works a lot better that my former assumption

[lusty rune]

Every now and then, a shock of lightning suddenly travels across the entire world, until there are no more people to jump to

[winter fossil]

Would be really funny

https://tenor.com/view/thor-lightning-power-smash-gif-22118494

[torpid niche]

Entire nations killed out of sheer dumb luck, by the hand of a baby Blue Dragon testing its breath weapon

[west kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[winter fossil]

assist

Kda be crazy

0/0/1000+

[torpid niche]

486/0/1K+

[winter fossil]

😂

[lusty rune]

I mean, how many commoners are there?

[vale quest]

I have estimated numbers for earth and faerun. o-o

[winter fossil]

Dman

That's a Lotta fried chicken

[west kindle]

I'm not even surprised you have these at this point

[west kindle]

A growing dragon needs their food

[winter fossil]

And Xp

[winter fossil]

😂

[vale quest]

Fun fact, in my games I have a "Mass Murder Modifier".
Where the more things you kill at once - especially through indirect means like explosives or fire - the XP return gets progressively smaller.

[west kindle]

Funny, I once ran an arc that encouraged killing more at once

[lusty rune]

I left this without saying anything cause I went to sleep

It's basically the book I've been talking about, shared to me by some friend so I don't know the background. It adds regional effects and lair actions to many monsters that don't have it already.

[torpid niche]

Enhance This Enemy
Day 62, Green Dragons
Manipulative curs of dragonkind, green dragons are identified mainly by their green scales and the tall frill running along their spine from head to tail.
They were tactful beasts, stalking those that earned their interest for days, months, and on some occasions years at a time, trailing them and gathering as much information they could to use as a tool. They could move practically undetected within their forest homes, assisted by their scales which blended into the brush of most of their home terrain.
When they chose to engage, they took special time to leave at least one survivor to torture and interrogate for further information later. This was usually the victim they found most interested, whom they would capture and add to their hoard- whimst was made of dozens of victims the dragon favored, held like a collection within their lairs. When bored, theyd take to breaking the minds of their captives, turning them towards evil and using their tactful charisma to brainwash them into the dragons service over time.

Though they always preferred to have the jump on foes to end the conflict quickly, they had a plethora of options to assist them in combat. Their scales as mentioned disguised their forms in their forest homes, and they had an excellent memory for details that they used against their foes after having gathered information.
Their breath weapon was a stream of chlorine-gas, completely covering and smothering battlefields.

@lusty rune @hollow charm @fringe gulch @fiery nexus @vast cape @solar olive @fallen sparrow @winter fossil @wheat sorrel @sleek owl @fervent pivot @woven crow @raw apex @stiff jasper @worthy merlin @west kindle

[west kindle]

Ooh chlorine

[lusty rune]

Add poisoned condition to BW

And some predator like camouflage

[west kindle]

Let the breath attack leave a lingering cloud that you can't breathe in

Let it actually suffocate people

[torpid niche]

I honestly think itd be cooler for the breath weapon to linger and slowly spread out

[torpid niche]

Definitely some camoflauge

[lusty rune]

Morning Breath, weapon edition

[worthy merlin]

Give em Mask of The Forest

[torpid niche]

Keen Ear (Feature). Advantage on perception checks relying on hearing. (Since it loves to listen in on people and take details.)
Gassing Breath (Action, Recharge 5-6), Replaces Poison Breath.) The dragon exhales poisonous gas in a 30 foot long 10-foot wide line. Each creature in that area must make a DC 18 Constitution saving throw, taking 46 (13d6) poison damage on a failed save, or half as much damage on a successful one. The area touched by the dragons breath weapon is then filled witht he gas it breathed, lingering. Area filled by the gas is lightly obscured.
At the start of each of the dragons turns, the area extends outward 10 feet in all directions. The area dissapears after 2 of the dragons turns, dissipating into a rechid mist. A creature that starts its turn in the mist takes 13 (4d6) poison damage.

[worthy merlin]

Or whatever the wood elf feature is

Hide when lightly obscured by natural phenomena

[torpid niche]

Oh yeah, definitely!

[lusty rune]

Imagine one of those shows about neighbors in an apartment complex. The green dragon always knows the latest gossips

And judges everyone negatively based on them and their possessions

[torpid niche]

While quite literally holding someone captive in their closet

Multiple people, in fact

[west kindle]

One could say a whole village

[torpid niche]

Whom they are in the process of brainwashing

[lusty rune]

One of which is the blue dragon's egg

[lusty rune]

Why a line rather than a cloud?

[torpid niche]

Which is why they have a fake passport, because if their real identity ever gets out the blue dragon is going to slam through their door like a SWAT

[torpid niche]

I mean, it is being expelled

[lusty rune]

Well, I guess

[lusty rune]

Oh, they definitely know, they bang at the door every night and make sure to make it everyone's problem

The fight each other at the entrance daily

[wheat sorrel]

Could steal Cloudkill's wording.

[torpid niche]

"make it everyones problem" bro the green dragon kidnapped they kid-

[lusty rune]

But community policy prohibits them from breaking into neighbour's houses

[lusty rune]

I mean, the psychic dragons are just enjoying the show, since they can't afford cable

[wheat sorrel]

I think green dragons should have some snake-like features. Moving fast even while prone, being able to crawl through small spaces, and maybe a reaction to move away from an attacker.

[torpid niche]

Being able to slip around without provoking opportunity while prone would be funny and silly

[west kindle]

The dragon becomes a wyrm

[wheat sorrel]

It'd be cool if they had an action to camouflage, becoming essentially invisible.

Maybe only from a certain distance away, though.

[lusty rune]

We are considering that Wood elf festure to hide in foliage

[lusty rune]

I can't figure out much to do, sounda like there is more you can do with its dungeon than the monster itself

If it wasn't for the Frightful Presence, we could have done something with announcing torture

Without recurring to psychic damage

[west kindle]

Let the dragon poison and have extra effects for that poison is all I can think of right now

[lusty rune]

I was just thinking that

[west kindle]

Unfortunately I have a dancing skeleton in my head

[lusty rune]

My hope is that making the poison hallucinogenic not step too close on the psionic dragon's claws

[lusty rune]

Boss, someone is dreaming of you naked again!

[west kindle]

Imo that is a perfectly fine talon to step on

[west kindle]

I don't even know what to say to this to be honest

[lusty rune]

It's better if you don't tell us more

[lusty rune]

It could be either hallucinogenic or reduces your speed to 0 and prones you. It makes you really nauseated, so you drop to your knees and barf.

The dragon feels pleasure from their pain, so either grant it advantage on attacks or thp if at least one creature is poisoned by the dragon at the start of its turn.

[wheat sorrel]

Maybe it gets a reaction attack when someone attacks it?

[lusty rune]

Why?

[torpid niche]

I M I N Y O U R B R A I N G O R O U

[torpid niche]

Again?!

Wdym again?!

[west kindle]

[wheat sorrel]

Vindinctive, manipulative.

Some sort of Modify Memory/Dominate Person 1/day would give them the interesting persuasion abilities they have in the texts.

[torpid niche]

Modify memory on an incapacitated target could be interesting

Whispers to captives, or manipulating the memories of one of the party members during their long rests as its stalking then

[wheat sorrel]

Maybe they have a breath weapon that puts people to sleep, so that they can use that easier.

[lusty rune]

They turn into human and put you to sleep with boring stories

[west kindle]

Oh that'd be cruel, knocking someone out in chlorine gas

You should make that as a limited boost to the breath weapon

[wheat sorrel]

Maybe their breath weapon could be heavily obscured to everyone but them (if it lingers), so that they can jump in the lingering cloud and attack with advantage, without worrying about being hit.

[torpid niche]

Currently the whole area counts as lightly obscured, not sure about heavily unless we nerf the damage or area again

Especially if we consider it could knock you out, even temporarily

Maybe failing a save twice against the breath weapon will incapacitate you out until it dissipates.
So the dragon could only brainwash in active combat if they fail the save against the breath weapon as its launched, and then on the second turn fail again while still inside the area- which isnt super likely

[lusty rune]

Maybe a fail of 5 or more

[torpid niche]

Maybe just make it a fail by 10 or more on any occassion immediately gives the incapacitation, and lower its initial area to a 5 foot width

[lusty rune]

I think the 10-foot is fine

Also, word it as "becomes poisoned, while poisoned this way..."

We can play a lot with it. I originally suggested it could make you nauseus, loose your balance and make you really sick so you can't move. But you could still fight.

[torpid niche]

Not sure how much fighting you can do while your suffocating on chlorine gas

[lusty rune]

Well, this world works in mysterious ways we the common civilian can't comprehend

Like not having your clothes incinerated by a fireball

[torpid niche]

Nah that ones easy to explain
The DM simply doesnt wish to narrate what follows >:)

[west kindle]

There's a logical explanation that works irl bit of a stretch though

How would the dragon respond to the barbarian just going

[lusty rune]

What? The characters awkwardly walking away from scene and return the next turn with new clothes only to have it incinerated again?

[lusty rune]

"Look, man, I know it's your kink and all, but could you please stop that?"

[west kindle]

Think like a bard

Either they'll like it or hate it but either way you might be able to get out of a fight

[lusty rune]

The bard pulls out a plethora of instruments, which the dragon burns down every time

[west kindle]

Iirc hot and dry chlorine gas can be very corrosive to metals even titanium

No reason a green dragon can't rust away a wall in a few minutes or an instrument in seconds

[lusty rune]

Sure, but we have acid attacks. It's best to not mix them up, right?

[west kindle]

Why is the breath attack poison actually? I don't fully see the separation between a lot of poison and acid effects in dnd

[lusty rune]

Poison makes you sick, acid (makes you trippy) melts your skin

[west kindle]

I don't see that distinction as much as I should

[lusty rune]

You could blame it on the simplified design of the game

But most monsters that deal poison damage and the poisoned condition will work like that... "While poisoned this way...". While only a single acid monster rusts metal.

One fire spell that actually turns you to ashes

And radiant spells don't have special effects against undeads, as far as I know

[west kindle]

Which is a bit odd in my opinion

There's no blanket effect of radiant to an undead

[lusty rune]

Yeah, the game is very simple, which is why it often ends in the hands of the community to clarify and set some rules.

[torpid niche]

Poison attacks biological systems, causing the body to become sick or weak, its like venom- slowly killing you from the inside
Its why things that lack biological systems, like ghosts and robots, are immune. You cant attack somethings innards if it doesnt have any.

Acid attacks are corrosion based, something that literally melts through the body, killing you from outside in. Something like, well, straight up acid burns through flesh and corrodes.

Poison damage infects the body and hurts you from the inside, like well, poison
While Acid digests/melts/corrodes the body, melting you up

@west kindle

Thats the difference between the two

[lusty rune]

@torpid niche
Boss, the competition is about to reach 5k messages, will you send them your regards?

[torpid niche]

ye

[stiff jasper]

Boss, the media is in flames, this better be a good regard.

[torpid niche]

Itll come, boys, im just waiting until the officially get there to pull the lever

https://tenor.com/view/alastor-hazbin-hotel-demon-form-gif-16262004912839754656

[stiff jasper]

god damn it you reminded me of the finale

Now im sad i have to wait for s2

[torpid niche]

Literally just finished watching it an hour ago

Overall, good shit- just felt a little rushed in the first hald of the series, these events could have been stretched out a bit longer

[stiff jasper]

Fair

They probs didnt want fans to have to wait longer

We have been waiting for like 5 years now

But i would have been fine if it had more time in the oven

[torpid niche]

Lets be honest with ourselves tho, without Helluva Boss the fanbase wouldve imploded less than halfway through production lol

[lusty rune]

Yeah, we all curious what happened to Verbalese

[torpid niche]

We dont talk about verbalase

[stiff jasper]

Not the softcore 50k —-

[lusty rune]

Ok, ok, we beatbox about Verbalese

[stiff jasper]

Uh

How do you beatbix that?

[lusty rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTRzH8uEBPY

Like this

[lusty rune]

I wonder, I might have gotten interested in any of those shows if they weren't musicals.

[stiff jasper]

I understand that, but the songs go hard, and the rest of the show is great so I think it still works

[lusty rune]

The thing is, I don't like the songs, and the little segments I have watched don't make me want to watch it.

If there is one scene I like is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRFiOeiB2Mg

[stiff jasper]

Well if thats what you think then fair enough

[lusty rune]

That and this picture always crack me up

You know, all considered, I'm surprised there aren't jokes about the Slayer, Charlie and Verbalese.

[winter fossil]

Was definitely rushed

Sir pentious had a terrible death

Meant nothing

[torpid niche]

Felt a little unsatisfying when it was played as a joke at the time
But I guess im fine with it with the ending twist for him

[winter fossil]

The angles face at the end was gold though

Was like

Oh shit they can be redeemed

[stiff jasper]

I actually thought it was fine, he said his last words, and went out how he wanted to. There was no way he was beating adam

[winter fossil]

I feel like Adam could have at least dodged it before killing him

To add some weight to his sacrifice

[torpid niche]

Yeah but they didnt need to play it for humor, thats my only real complaint on the matter

[winter fossil]

Same here

[stiff jasper]

Eh i was fine with it, to each their own

[mystic jetty]

Yo, can i hang around here and give opinions too?

[lusty rune]

Only for a small fee

[mystic jetty]

Oh man, 🥲

[lusty rune]

You has to pay the kot fee

[mystic jetty]

i guss its only fair

[torpid niche]

Would you like to be added to the pinglist, when new monsters arrive?

[lusty rune]

They haven't paid the kot fee yet, boss

[torpid niche]

Enhance This Enemy
Day 63, Red Dragons
The most rapacious and vile of all dragonkind, the Red Dragon was the paragon of all chromatic dragons, and the standards their kind were held to. Red Dragons in particular were the subject of fable and fame, being held as the icon of dragonkind in most eyes, their evil nature turning most public away even from the Gem and Metallics, with sheer reputation alone.
Between all of Dragonkind the Red Dragon embodied the worst of all its chromatic brethren. Their tempers were as fiery as they were unpredictable, prone to making quick thoughtless decisions when infuriated, and brash predictive ego's. They held themselves, their ego, their hoard, and their very image in the highest regard, being fully aware of their evil nature and relishing it. Red Dragons believed that if one could not protect their belongings, they did not deserve to keep them. This made them the most likely to ravage and plunder settlements, all in the pursuit of its own greed.

Physically Red Dragons were the largest of dragonkind, with the widest wingspans to boot. While these wings were not particularly maneuverable, they gave them steady flow within the sky. They possessed two long horns that pointed backwards towards their wings, a symbol of the red dragon besides their crimson scales.

The Red Dragon held a repituare of abilities, not just limited to their size and physical brawn. They had an almost magical ability to sense the presence of valuables, and could accurately tell their value with the barest inspection.
Unlike most Dragons, it was extremely common for a Red Dragon to be a born sorcerer, with access to heat based spells such as Control Flames, Pyrotechnics, and Heat Metal naturally as it grew older. Some even possessed enchanting spells such as Suggestion.
Their fire breath was unique, being so ungodly hot, that it could char flesh and heat metal instantly. Most could even overwhelm magical protections from fire with their breath...

@lusty rune @hollow charm @fringe gulch @fiery nexus @vast cape @solar olive @fallen sparrow @winter fossil @wheat sorrel @sleek owl @fervent pivot @woven crow @raw apex @stiff jasper @worthy merlin @west kindle @mystic jetty

ITS THE BIG BADS THEMSELVES, BOYS AND GORLS!

An endgame boss as old and well known as the game itself, the icon of dragonkind

[wicked turret]

Are we talking lair actions as well?

[torpid niche]

Those are kind of a sidenote, but they will still be added into the record

[wicked turret]

What about a thunder step like ability that does fire instead of thunder damage to give more movement options

Switching breath weapon to 120 ft line or back to cone at will

Or delayed blast fireball it can leave at places by breathing or something

[torpid niche]

For the breath weapon, I think the only change it would need would be the emphasis on how overwhelming hot it is compared to any other fire.

Such as instantly scorching/heatmetal anyone caught in the blast

[wicked turret]

!spell heat metal

[trail raven]

Reboomus

Heat Metal

2nd-level transmutation. (Artificer, Bard, Druid, Forge Domain)

Meta

Casting Time: 1 action
Range: 60 feet
Components: V, S, M (a piece of iron and a flame)
Duration: Concentration, up to 1 minute

Description

Choose a manufactured metal object, such as a metal weapon or a suit of heavy or medium metal armor, that you can see within range. You cause the object to glow red-hot. Any creature in physical contact with the object takes 2d8 fire damage when you cast the spell. Until the spell ends, you can use a bonus action on each of your subsequent turns to cause this damage again.

If a creature is holding or wearing the object and takes the damage from it, the creature must succeed on a Constitution saving throw or drop the object if it can. If it doesn't drop the object, it has disadvantage on attack rolls and ability checks until the start of your next turn.

At Higher Levels

When you cast this spell using a spell slot of 3rd level or higher, the damage increases by 1d8 for each slot level above 2nd.

Spell | BR 250

[wicked turret]

So if hit they would deal 2d8 damage each turn for metal they are still touching for getting hit

[wicked turret]

Why I suggested that for the breath weapon is to keep players on their toes and more long range attacks

It would be same damage just 120 ft line 5 ft wide or the original cone

[tender narwhal]

ooh
There's one spell from Strixhaven, Ashardalon's stride that's like this, it'd be cool to have some version of that here.

[tender narwhal]

Interesting. A choice of breath weapon.

[wicked turret]

Indeed means harder just to stay out of range and snipe it to death

[tender narwhal]

You can always just have one all-consuming breath attack and a targeted fire attack
Although the targeted attack would just be a spell
Speaking of spells, what innate casting are you thinking of giving this?

[wicked turret]

What about a fire version of dust devil spell?

!spell dust devil

[trail raven]

Reboomus

Dust Devil

2nd-level conjuration. (Druid, Sorcerer, Wizard)

Meta

Casting Time: 1 action
Range: 60 feet (5 ft. cube)
Components: V, S, M (a pinch of dust)
Duration: Concentration, up to 1 minute

Description

Choose an unoccupied 5-foot cube of air that you can see within range. An elemental force that resembles a dust devil appears in the cube and lasts for the spell's duration.

Any creature that ends its turn within 5 feet of the dust devil must make a Strength saving throw. On a failed save, the creature takes 1d8 bludgeoning damage and is pushed 10 feet away. On a successful save, the creature takes half as much damage and isn't pushed.

As a bonus action, you can move the dust devil up to 30 feet in any direction. If the dust devil moves over sand, dust, loose dirt, or small gravel, it sucks up the material and forms a 10-foot-radius cloud of debris around itself that lasts until the start of your next turn. The cloud heavily obscures its area.

At Higher Levels

When you cast this spell using a spell slot of 3rd level or higher, the damage increases by 1d8 for each slot level above 2nd.

Spell | EE 154

[tender narwhal]

Ah this one
A horrible spell but could be a good base

[wicked turret]

!spell flame sphere

[trail raven]

Reboomus

Flaming Sphere

2nd-level conjuration. (Druid, Wizard, Alchemist, Circle of Wildfire, Light Domain, The Celestial)

Meta

Casting Time: 1 action
Range: 60 feet (5 ft. sphere)
Components: V, S, M (a bit of tallow, a pinch of brimstone, and a dusting of powdered iron)
Duration: Concentration, up to 1 minute

Description

A 5-foot-diameter sphere of fire appears in an unoccupied space of your choice within range and lasts for the duration. Any creature that ends its turn within 5 feet of the sphere must make a Dexterity saving throw. The creature takes 2d6 fire damage on a failed save, or half as much damage on a successful one.

As a bonus action, you can move the sphere up to 30 feet. If you ram the sphere into a creature, that creature must make the saving throw against the sphere's damage, and the sphere stops moving this turn.

When you move the sphere, you can direct it over barriers up to 5 feet tall and jump it across pits up to 10 feet wide. The sphere ignites flammable objects not being worn or carried, and it sheds bright light in a 20-foot radius and dim light for an additional 20 feet.

At Higher Levels

When you cast this spell using a spell slot of 3rd level or higher, the damage increases by 1d6 for each slot level above 2nd.

Spell | BR 242

[tender narwhal]

this one's better ye

[lusty rune]

Dammit, gotta make lunch now

[lusty rune]

It just needs to affect objects and buildings

They are siege dragons for a reason

[tender narwhal]

siege dragon
I'm definetly going to use dragons as the fantasy equivelants of war elephants now.

They also do double duty as catapults, how nice.

[lusty rune]

We kinda brought this up before. We ain't exactly relying on spells. And we don't want to give them ranged options other than breath weapon.

Because then they would just poke you to death.

[lusty rune]

Yeet the rider

[tender narwhal]

clarification: the DM would
But yes, very fair.

[wheat sorrel]

I feel like all dragons should have a big, big jump, possibly using their wings to glide a bit.

The idea of a red dragon jumping over a pit of lava is so cool.

Maybe they ignore difficult terrain consisting of rocks and spikes?

They might be able to fly, grapple, and fly away without provoking opportunity attacks.

It'd be cool if they could exhale a smoke cloud.

Maybe it could do a small bit of fire damage to anyone inside it, like small cinders.

Maybe as a note, before the statblocks for each dragon, "make sure to include visual and auditory clues that a dragon might use it's breath weapon. For example, a red dragon's throat might glow and make clicking sounds, as it ignites a fire to unleash."

I can imagine a red dragon having a more direct line of fire breath, or a cone of fire breath, so maybe it's interchangeable? Also, apparently a longer, narrow wingspan helps with steady flight over long distances, so maybe red dragons have a trait that gives them advantage on Constitution saving throws and checks against becoming exhausted due to flying, or something else that helps out this concept.

Red dragons could have a heat aura bonus action that deals fire damage to creatures nearby.

[west kindle]

I feel like this wouldn't come up unless the party gets one and is working with it for transportation and such (would say pet but dragons are too smart for that)

[wheat sorrel]

Maybe just a note in the description.

You're right though, it's not very useful on a statblock.

A rage-type ability might be cool, maybe auto-activating at half-health or something.

They could maybe have a detect object type ability for magic items and gold.

[west kindle]

Hmm

[wheat sorrel]

A diving trait of sorts might be interesting.

I feel like they wouldn't be far from wanting to swallow creatures with their bite attack.

Maybe another note in the description that mentions that they are immune to the effects of high altitude.

Fire Breath (Recharge 5-6). The red dragon exhales fire in a 30 foot line that is 5 feet wide, or a 15 foot cone. Each creature in that area must make a Dexterity saving throw (DC X) or take XdX damage, or half as much on a successful save. A creature that fails its saving throw ignites in flames, taking XdX fire damage at the start of each of its turns, or until it or another creature within 5 feet of it douses the fire as an action.

Potentially.

[lusty rune]

You hear a "ding" sound

[wheat sorrel]

What?

[lusty rune]

When an oven is ready

[lusty rune]

The is pointless because flight

And jumping spends movement

[mystic jetty]

yes

thank you.

[mystic jetty]

[lusty rune]

I remember bringing that up before, I think we didn't discuss it

[lusty rune]

Das not a kot. Das a jello bean

[lusty rune]

I want to think of a non lingering breath. In the meantime I say the flames remain in the area instead of the creatures.

It creates a hazard

The flames remain in the area until the start of the dragon's next turn. Strong winds and water put out the flames early. A creature that enters the area for the first time on a turn, or ends its turn there takes 3d6 fire damage.

No save, just pain

[lusty rune]

First of all, my favorite dragons. Second, for this reason should all dragons have spellcasting. Third, suggestions:

• This red fury ignores resistance to (french) fire damage and treats immunity as resistance.
• With that we could drop the breath damage to 15d6.
• Also, breath weapon deals double damage to objects (which includes buildings).
• Lingering breath weapon. It leaves an area in flames for 1 turn which deals 3d6 damage to anyone that enters it or ends its turn there.
• They can cast identify at will and at the start of each day they can detect the exact location of any treasure within 10 miles (unless it is magically hidden or something).
• Intimidation expertise.
• While their breath weapon is in cooldown, they can use a bonus action to release a cloud of black smoke centered on themselves, covering up to 15 feet from themselves. Dispersed with strong winds.
• Narrative Weakness: ***What did you Just say About me you Little Bitch?! *** They get a hate boner towards anyone that hurts their pride.

Also, why not give dragons in general something like swallow or throwing 30 feet away someone they have grappled with their teeth?

[west kindle]

Would dragons have cloacas?

[lusty rune]

...

They reproduce through eggs, so yes

[west kindle]

Can they even have hate boners then? It'd make a convenient target for a raging barbarian later in the fight against one

[lusty rune]

Just because they have a cloaca doesn't mean they don't have a penis

[winter fossil]

What the hell

Did I just witness

[west kindle]

Oh yeah you're right

[lusty rune]

A toast

[west kindle]

Dragon fighting tactics

[winter fossil]

I would hope so

[lusty rune]

Studies of dragon anatomy

[winter fossil]

Makes more sense than tactics

[lusty rune]

We are making an investigation about how a dragon's anatomy affects their combat tactics

[winter fossil]

If that's the case then wings should play a part

No

[west kindle]

it should work on a dragon no?

[winter fossil]

No

Reptiles do not have large external reproductive organs

It's more akin to a retractable stick in terms of males

So no your funny spell would not work

[west kindle]

it targets the testicles not the penis

[winter fossil]

Which would be in the body

[west kindle]

yes

[lusty rune]

Do I need an ovarial torsion spell?

[lusty rune]

It's a matter of having, not where it's stored

[winter fossil]

No

[west kindle]

with a few changes this works for both otherwise yes

[vale quest]

This looks like D&Dwiki.
Bad gorou.

[winter fossil]

Hey Ovion

[lusty rune]

Hahahahhahaha, I love this response

[west kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/wheniwasolder-gif-23417454

it's not but yeah your right

[lusty rune]

Ovion smelled the DanDwiki cringe from over a mile away and came rushing down

[vale quest]

I mean, you coulda let the monument to your sins stand, but it was really badly balanced. xD
(and if not D&DWiki specifically it used the same formatted style, and I don't know why you would)

[lusty rune]

Imbalanced for an 8th level spell?

[vale quest]

yes.
Aside from not following proper "power word" design, it did a bunch of effects + a lot of damage, which I'm pretty sure was past the single-target-damage threshold if that's all it did.

[lusty rune]

What if we give red dragons a flame thrower?

The dragon's about to die when suddenly, BAM! Flamethrower hands

[wheat sorrel]

I don't think it makes sense for fire to come out of their hands, but I may be misinterpreting what you're saying.

[lusty rune]

I was really bored and needed to say something really random

Also, I meant literal flamethrowers

Imagine they pull out an Android 16 and blast you to ashes

[mystic jetty]

Oh man, literal flamethrowers, it is so Palworld thing to do.

[lusty rune]

Meanwhile me thinking about TF2

And now Digimon

[torpid niche]

Now im considering an NPC for a fanatical red dragon artificer

Who literally installed flamethrowers into their hands

(Mechanically probably twin flamethrowers from the Artillerist subclass)

[mystic jetty]

Sounds legit.

[lusty rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS9A1JuOKE8

Let's go, baby

[torpid niche]

I need to sleep, but ill brainstorm my own list of changes based on the consensus of wants/needs people have noted tommorow

[wheat sorrel]

The idea of a gold-gilded red dragon sounds really cool to me. Unrelated to the activity. Just wanted to put it out there. And now I'm rambling.

[lusty rune]

The red dragon melting tons of gold coins to disguise as a gold dragon

[wheat sorrel]

The Tamatoa-from-Moana of red dragons.

[lusty rune]

I'm gonna save this idea for when we reach a fire elemental, it would be awesome to have it make fist attacks that force a Dex save in a 15-foot cone

[torpid niche]

That actually brings me to a fun fact DMs can abuse lol-
Its been noted that dragon scales can tarnish, stain, or really just naturally fade with age and over time in general
So a Dragon might actually have a different scale color compared to others of its species. All the dragon species are identified by scholars by the placement of horns, frills, and other unique anatomical details
While commonfolk identify them by color

So you could have folks talking about a black dragon in the woods, and the players prepare for acid- but they get there, and in reality its a green dragon with a particularly dark set of scales, it just has scales of a green so dark its easily mistaken for black*

[wheat sorrel]

That's pretty cool.

[torpid niche]

While not common, it still happens, so if you want to throw your players off, occassionally a dragon has a weird scale color and theyll need to figure out what it is another way
(An albino red dragon would be a funny looparound- the party prepared for ice- but surprise sucker-)

[lusty rune]

Dragons doing black scale

[torpid niche]

Oh gods

[torpid niche]

Okay so:

Skills. Investigation added

Crimson Appraisal (Feature). The Dragon can sense the presence of magical items within 30 feet of it, knowing how many there are and their rarity, but not where. The Dragon has advantage on Intelligence (Investigation) checks made to determine the value of an item, magical or not.

Fearsome Temper (Feature). Whenever a creature deals damage to the dragon, it gains a point of fury. If the Dragon starts its turn with 7 or more fury, it loses all current points of fury and has an additional action that turn.

Swooping Death (Action). The Dragon moves up to twice flying speed in a straight line, moving through other creatures spaces without provoking opportunity attacks. Each creature and object it passes through in this way must succeed a DC 21 Dexterity saving throw, taking 17 (3d12) bludgeoning plus 7 (2d6) fire damage and falling prone on a failed save.

Conflagration Breath (Action, Recharge 5-6, Replaces Fire Breath). The dragon exhales fire in a 60 foot cone, spreading around corners and filling spaces behind cover, provided at least a one foot opening to the space is within the cone. Each creature and object in that area must succeed a DC 21 Dexterity saving throw, taking 49 (14d6) fire damage on a failed save, or half as much on success.
Damage dealt by the dragons breath weapon ignores resistance to fire damage, and treats immunity as resistance.
Each time the dragon rolls to regain use of its breath weapon and fails to, smoke leaks from its snout, creating a deep smoke in a 10 foot sphere directly in front of it. Area covered by the smoke is lightly obscured to creatures inside it, and is dispersed by a strong wind.

[torpid niche]

Looking back I like the smoke clouds and narrative weakness quite a bit

[lusty rune]

I understand why you would make the fire breath go around corners, but don't you prefer the narrative of taking cover to protect yourself?

[torpid niche]

Fair, I just see the Red Dragons breath as by far the most destructive, and making it completely fill and scorch an area felt right

[lusty rune]

Yeah, I understand very well both perspectives

But I rather it destroys objects instead of going around corners

That could give way to some different gameplay, you can cover once, cause now it is destroyed

Rocks melt, wood burns, the cow dies, the peasant meat shield is no longer.

Also, how long does the smoke screen last?

[tender narwhal]

This is good!
Nitpicks but, succeed should be make and the spreading around corners should be reworded to be like fireball

[wheat sorrel]

I feel like it should have a more direct line of fire breath as well.

[lusty rune]

The other thing the dragon lacks is expertise in Intimidation

[torpid niche]

I wouldve considered that, however Frightening Presence is right there, so its already doing that even more effectively

[lusty rune]

Touché

Also, smoke screen has no duration

[lusty rune]

Hey, Raiden, do you speak spanish?

[torpid niche]

Nop

Why?

@lusty rune

[lusty rune]

Cause there is one piece of pop culture about He-man and Skelletor, burned in the memory of every spanish speaker

So, whenever I think of Skelletor, I am reminded of that funny video

[wicked turret]

What if the recharge rate for the fire breath gets more likely each turn?

[west kindle]

Fun idea but maybe for simplicities sake it's more likely to begin with

[worthy merlin]

Breath weapon affects inflicted items with Dispel Magic?

Advantage on strength checks/saves?

Some way to put grapples into the action economy?

Treasure sense?

Innate casting is a must, no question mark here

Maybe even a Rage-esque mechanic to show their quick temper?

[lusty rune]

Breath weapon isn't magic, it even goes through tiny hut

[lusty rune]

All in all, they probably should, but as far as it goes: it is a magical effect, so they already have advantage; can't be targeted due to size, the ability itself will grant them advantage; already have a +8 in Str, so it's in line with its other saves.

[lusty rune]

It was already decided that anything related to innate spell casting would still be an optional rule.

[lusty rune]

We could, but shouldn't, grapple + fly really fucking high is an op combo

And this one already has two prone options

Actually, remember the dive attack someone suggested? They can already do that for free. They let themselves fall on top of the party, Swan dive style. The rules say that's a DC 15 Dex save, fail and the fall damage is equally divided and you are prone.

[winter fossil]

What dragon we doing next?

[tender narwhal]

I assume metallic dragons, then gem dragons
Unless we've done those already

[winter fossil]

Not to my knowledge

Metalic dragons are most likely next

[lusty rune]

There are many more dragons, there's the turtle and fey dragon

The dracolich

Which I don't recall which are in the MM

[vale quest]

do you want the list?

[lusty rune]

We probably won't revise gems since they aren't in the MM

[lusty rune]

Nah, I prefer the surprise

[vale quest]

I meant of all the dragons xD

so you know what you've got to work through

I don't even remebmer what's mm/motm/whatever at this point

though if MM only not such a fuss

[lusty rune]

I get you, but let's leave it as it is

I want the suspense

[torpid niche]

https://tenor.com/view/kevinmcgarry-mcgarries-feelingbutterflies-feelbutter-been-gif-26016939

[torpid niche]

Enhance This Enemy
Day 64, White Dragons
The most diminutive and savage of the chromatic dragons, bearing the least formidable intellects, but the most dangerous of wits. White Dragons were distinguished by their sleek forms and the crest above the back of their skull, not to mention their exceptionally muscled and their lack of proper scales, their body instead covered in layers of a leathery hide.
They were the smallest of the dragons, even smaller than Black Dragons, and were the most bestial of any Dragon, with low intellects compared to others of those kind- not surpassing those of the average commoners. Despite this, they had exceptionally dangerous instincts, and a savage streak that rivaled creatures like Displacer Beasts and Owlbears in their fury.

A White Dragon could remember any face, and were particularly vengeful in tracking down any creature that wronged it, using its brutestrength and bestial form to overpower and slay its foes. Though, they were not nearly as cruel as some of their kind, and would be sure to kill their enemies quick, lest they escape.
Their scales blended perfectly into the snow of their tundra homes, allowing them to hide amongst the frost when remaining still. Their breath weapons came in the form of vaporous cold, that instantly froze anything it touched.

@lusty rune @hollow charm @fringe gulch @fiery nexus @vast cape @solar olive @fallen sparrow @winter fossil @wheat sorrel @sleek owl @fervent pivot @woven crow @raw apex @stiff jasper @worthy merlin @west kindle @mystic jetty

[west kindle]

I think starting with the obvious of letting the cold breath have a chance of slowing is a good idea

[tender narwhal]

yes

give them an attack that Rime's binding ice's people

[wheat sorrel]

Either the cold breath should do that as a rider, or there should be a specific action for it.

They should definitely have an automatic success on stealth checks while in the tundra.

It'd be cool if they could create the effects of Gust of Wind by fanning their wings.

A danger-sense of some sort could portray the instinctual side of them. I really cannot imagine these guys being the smallest of chromatic dragons.

[lusty rune]

Let the ice dragon ride the ice like Frozono

[tender narwhal]

This is the Yeti ability
Seba's idea-bonus action dash slide on ice

[lusty rune]

Yeah, that or turn you into ice statues

[mystic jetty]

Advantage on stealth while in an icey area?

And snowy

Frost Breath (Recharge 5-6). THE Dragon exhales cold in a 150-foot cone. Each creature in that area must make a DC X Dexterity saving throw, taking X (XdX) cold damage on a failed save, and half as much damage on a success. In addition, on a failed save,
the target must make a DC X Constitution saving throw or be slowed as the spell slow. A slowed target must make an additional saving throw at the end of each of its turns. the effect ends on itself on a success. slowed creatures gain vulnerability to bludgeoning damage.

[mystic jetty]

@west kindle you mean something like that?

[west kindle]

Oh yeah

[mystic jetty]

(Ability) Frostbite. When a creature, object, or area takes cold damage from
the dragon's breath weapon, it is frost bitten. A frost-bitten creature takes 7 (2d6) cold damage at the end of its turn, cannot use
reactions, and its speed is halved. A frost-bitten area is covered with ice and becomes difficult terrain. If a creature attempts to go
over the frost-bitten area at normal speed, it must make a DC X (15?) Dexterity saving throw or fall prone. Frost bitten creatures and
areas are frost bitten for 3 (1d6?) rounds, unless a creature takes an
action and succeeds on a DC X (15?) Intelligence (Nature) check to heat
itself, another, or a medium sized area.

[mystic jetty]

Or more like this?

[mystic jetty]

Maybe instead of DC, roll 1d6 and on a 6 or 5-6 the target is slowd if this is sound to strong 🤘🏼

As a legendary action, maybe this could be cool...?

Ice Sheet. The dragon creates an opaque wall of ice on a solid surface it can see within 120 feet of it. The wall can be up to 50 feet long, 50 feet high, and 1 foot thick. When the wall appears, each creature within its area is pushed 5 feet out of the wall’s space, appearing on whichever side of the wall it wants. Each 10-foot section of the wall has AC 5, 50 hit points, vulnerability to fire
damage, and immunity to acid, cold, necrotic, poison, and psychic damage.

[wicked turret]

Again I suggest being able to switch from line to cone with breath weapon

[winter fossil]

What if it had a slowing effect?

Being cold wind and all

[winter fossil]

Yall alive?

[wheat sorrel]

No.

[tender narwhal]

Unfortunately, yes

[wheat sorrel]

Are you feeling alright?

[tender narwhal]

I was on vaction all of last week, and today I was no longer on vacation had to wake up at 7:00 AM
So, no, at least not until the weekend.

[mystic jetty]

somtiems

[lusty rune]

Half so

[winter fossil]

[winter fossil]

So

Anyone alive?

[hollow charm]

Youll get used to Raiden coming and going lol

[lusty rune]

I'm not

[torpid niche]

I cast revivify

[torpid niche]

I have another spell slot

[torpid niche]

Red dragons can loaf.

... peculiar

I mean, the lore has noted them to be biologically more like giant cats than lizards so really this checks out

[lusty rune]

Just red loaf? I assumed it worked for everyone

https://tenor.com/view/scan-my-dog-aaron-mitchell-monchi-the-mitchells-vs-the-machines-look-at-my-dog-gif-21432331

[torpid niche]

It probably does honestly

I like to replace the classic image of a dragon curled on its hoard now with a dragon loafing on its hoard

[lusty rune]

That would be a great camouflage for a gold dragon

[torpid niche]

Dear god they implemented a mention limit this is going to be a nightmare...

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OKAY BOYS AND GIRLS LETS FIX THIS SHITSHOW UP!

This chat is soon to be dethroned, and I certainly dont want this chat to die for realsies, but we have entered a predicament.
Every hiatus we have entered in the past has been a result of me getting overworked, not having motivation, and/or not having the time to sort out to work on this project, so here's and idea

What if we lift the initiatings of the days from just me to several of us, and just have a different day of the week for someone to prevent a monster- using the Forgotten Realms wiki to collect lore info for us to use, and ping everyone in question

That way business as usual still gets done, but my silly ass doesnt fall over on my face from the simple responsibility of writing three paragraphs lol

[winter fossil]

I can do pings

Though I don't have time to do research for the monster blurbs

[lusty rune]

Sounds cool, but I'm afraid of committing to that duty

What with the delicate situation I'm in and a lack of motivation in homebrewing (because my own projects don't get any feedback)

[tender narwhal]

this is a neat idea
I hope someone carries through with it

[stiff jasper]

I wouldnt mind hosting a day

Idk how much creature blurb i would write but i can help

[winter fossil]

Are we on metallic dragons or gem dragons?

[tender narwhal]

metallic?

[lusty rune]

Mario?

[tender narwhal]

sonic

[tender narwhal]

we are on gold dragons I believe

[torpid niche]

A

[winter fossil]

A

[torpid niche]

Ive decided I will come back to this, but after I update all the finished monsters into the Retrospect Book

Which I will be doing over the next two days because I genuinely have nothing to do

(The book itself is a pinned message)

[torpid niche]

Enhance This Enemy
Day 65, Brass Dragons
The bardic cousins of the draconic metallic family tree, the Brass Dragons are best identified by their wings which span their full length, and the battleaxe shaped crest marking their heads. A Brass Dragon is by the means of anyone with a tongue, annoying. Before even the concept of violence is considered, a Brass Dragon will take as much time as it can to endlessly blabber and talk to whomever it faces. Enemy and ally alike are pelted with questions, topics, and rampant stream of linguisms by the Brass Dragon at all times, sometimes even in the middle of combat. Despite their good hearted nature, a Brass Dragon was conceited- in that they always felt it was their personal responsibility to share their "wonderful skills of conversation" with anyone who would (and could) have the pleasure of their company. This has led to frequent temporary kidnappings by Brass Dragons, forcing those who would avoid conversation with them to partake.

A Brass Dragon resided in the desert, giving them innate resistances to heat and easily burrow through sand. They possessed two breath weapons like any metallic dragon, a long line of fire, and a cone of sleeping gas. A Brass Dragon would much prefer to apprehend a foe if it didnt think it a true threat, knocking them out with its gas- and occassionally, burying them up to their neck in sand- subduing them and subjecting them to a long winded conversation when they came to.

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[west kindle]

That's honestly really funny they'll knock people out and half bury them just to talk

[torpid niche]

I find it a little criminal that these things only know Common and Draconic, I mean, its primary defining character trait is wanting to talk to everyone
Though the funny idea of it holding someone hostage half buried in sand who only knows goblin, and talk for hours without the other having any idea what their saying

[west kindle]

Both work really well honestly

[torpid niche]

I honestly want to give it something to let it pester players in combat, considering how its whole this is IT-WONT-SHUT-UP

I mean its a pretty packed statblock, it is a dragon after all, just something simple

The Metallic's we probably wont even have to add any extra effects to their breath weapons since their getting double the package

[west kindle]

I almost want to suggest making it mostly non lethal just to enforce the idea of you're not a victim but a hostage student

[torpid niche]

Maybe some sort of flavor feature to work with when it non-lethally apprehends someone-

Exhaustive Personality. Each minute the creature is partaking in conversation with the Brass Dragon, it must make a DC 18 Intelligence saving throw, gaining a level of exhaustion on a failure, to a maximum of 5 levels.
Each minute the creature is not talking to the Brass Dragon, it loses a level of exhaustion gained in this way.

(I thought of a better name lmao)

.
Considering metallics have a general ability to change shape when hitting ancient age, I love the mental image of a Brass Dragon realising theyve gained this power and running into a village for the first time to make it everyones problem

Now they get to pester people without kidnapping or mass hysteria!

[west kindle]

The crazy old man is secretly a brass dragon

[torpid niche]

In fact its not uncommon for a metallic dragon to be in a relationship with a humanoid in changed shape (hence the meme...), so this interaction plays in my head

Party: "how can you stand him, he never stops talking?!"
Dragons Wife: pulls out earplugs. "Hm, whatd you say?"

[mystic jetty]

Perhaps we could consider modifying or adding a legendary action that involves an attempt at communication.

[torpid niche]

Hm, it could have a legendary action to give some sort of reverse bardic inspiration, its talking distracting someone

[mystic jetty]

I like it

[torpid niche]

Ramble (Legendary Action). As long as it can freely speak, the Brass Dragon chooses another creaure that can hear it within 60 feet of it, forcing it to make a DC 18 Intelligence saving throw. On a failure, the next time the creature makes an attack roll or ability check until the end of the Brass Dragon's next turn, it rolls a d4 and subtracts it from the result.

[mystic jetty]

The older the dragon, the bigger the cube. What do you think about that?

In my opinion, it is logical to assume that the abilities of an adult dragon would be weaker than those of an ancient dragon. While we should avoid making sweeping generalizations, it stands to reason that an adult dragon would not have the same level of experience and power as an ancient dragon.

[tender narwhal]

Wouldn't it be a DC14 save if it were based off charisma?

[tender narwhal]

yeah the die should scale with age

[west kindle]

Would you date a dragon of given the chance?

[torpid niche]

Definitely, though right now we are just setting down the baseline for an Adult- the defacto "middleground" of each dragons age range

[torpid niche]

Depends, which kind?

[west kindle]

Your choice

[mystic jetty]

Alright 👍

[mystic jetty]

Happened to my bard character once, i was pregnant and gave birth to a brass dragon

[torpid niche]

Most metallics are fine, especially since they can shapechange into humanoids (both male and female via the rulings so whatever suits your fancy, im bi so I suppose whatever they prefer), but of course some like the Brass have some very interesting traits that make them hard to deal with
But any Metallic would be better than having to deal with a Chromatic in a relationship, wont love you- and if they do they would love in you in the most fucked up ways possible- regardless due to their nature they will always prioritize themselves over you, and no shapeshifting to fix the racial gap- your girlfriend is the size of a building

[torpid niche]

peculiar

But then again, Bards lmao

[mystic jetty]

Bards, what can I say 🙃

[west kindle]

Somebody is into the building sized significant other and would probably ask them to be bigger if possible

[torpid niche]

Interesting route this monster entry is taking lol

[west kindle]

We need new creatures, this is the simplest way

Cross with human then let the hybrids loose to see what happens

[west kindle]

Wait does this mean you'd want to gag the dragon if you're trying to fight it?

I feel like there's a joke to be made

[mystic jetty]

Maby this will help, idk.

[west kindle]

Supple expressive lips is not text I was expecting for a dragon

[mystic jetty]

True

It is also mentioned that they emit a metallic odor as stated in the following passage: "Two sharp horns protruded from their chins, gradually sharpening with age. These horns emanated a distinct metallic scent."

Perhaps they could be more easily noticed by users with sensitive olfactory senses.

Hey, so I was reading this thing and it said that younger brass dragons would usually just fly away and hide in the sand when they're in real danger. So, I think it makes sense to give them an advantage when they're trying to hide in a desert or at least in sand. What do you think?

The thing i red: In the face of true danger, a younger brass dragon would have most likely flown away and hidden in the sand.

Brass dragons have evolved for living in the desert and therefore can go long periods without water.

Could we include the water feature?

[west kindle]

This statblock is going to be extremely full

[lusty rune]

If brass dragon sticks its head in sand it becomes invisible to all attackers

[mystic jetty]

Exactly

The OG strategy 😎 #winning #oldbutgold

[torpid niche]

Most dms account for those sorts of things, just by not tracking the hunger and assuming a desert monster is resistant to the heat (and being immune to fire damage it is)
But advantage on Stealth in the desert would make sense

Adding the water feature would just clunk up the statblock even more without much of a purpose

[torpid niche]

Brass Dragon complete and added to the logs

[torpid niche]

Enhance This Enemy
Day 66, Bronze Dragons
The righteous and battleready of the metallics, the Bronze dragons are an aquatic variant with a moral lean to justice. They were best identified by their four horns which curved backward out to their tail, and the frill that ran down their upper neck. Bronze Dragons were greatly acclimated to the water, taking residence in beaches and coastlines to watch ships in peace, making their lairs themselves below the ocean. A Bronze Dragon always rared to partake in battles against injustice, quick to lend their claws in the fight for whatever side they believed to the in the right- and given their natural acclimation to good- often the correct one. It was not uncommon for a Bronze Dragon to interfere in a battle near its territory unnanounced to enact its justice.

Bronze Dragons were righteous and powerful, taking everything on the chin, and attending to matters with the upmost seriousness and care. They rarely joked, and held a serious and logical demeanor to themselves by most standards. Bronze Dragons took marks of their grand accomplishments as well, such as medals from battles, for their hoards- liking to show off their accomplishments.

Bronze Dragons were able to breathe underwater, with a very capable ability to swim. Their unique breath weapons included a blast of lightning and a repulsing wave of force that launched others backward.

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[fervent pivot]

Trait - Large Prey Slayer:
The bronze dragon has advantage on attack rolls against creatures and objects Large or bigger when in the water.

@torpid niche

Sorry for the crappy name lol

[torpid niche]

I mean, im not really sure what part of their lore constitutes taking out large monsters- just that it partakes in battles often

[fervent pivot]

They’re greatly acclimated to water so I figured they’d be better fighters in marine battles

[tender narwhal]

I would say they need a special feature or buff underwater
Like a damage increase to their breath attack, or a better version of Andrew W.'s feature

[tender narwhal]

Call this "The Ocean's Judge"

[fervent pivot]

Ye

[wheat sorrel]

Maybe some sort of lesser Amorphous trait that they can use in coral reefs?

[torpid niche]

Im not really sure that would come up in combat

Though I do have two ideas

Judge's Entrance (1/Day Action). This action can only be taken on the Bronze Dragons first turn in combat. The dragon flies up to its flying speed, moving through creatures without impedement. Each creature it moved through in this way must succeed a DC 18 Dexterity saving throw, taking 20 (6d6) bludgeoning damage on a failed save, or half as much damage on a success. A creature that succeeds this save is shoved to the nearest unoccupied space as the dragon moves through it. A creature that fails is also shoved, but is also pushed 30 feet vertically in a direction of the dragons choosing.
(It is especially battle ready, so I imagine its prone to diving into combat headfirst. Not to mention if it suddenly interupts an ongoing combat, which its noted to do frequently- itll make an explosive entrance)

Keen of Character (Feature). Creatures have disadvantage on Charisma (Deception) checks made to hide their true intentions and alignment from the Bronze Dragon.
(They are noted to be very profoundly on the side of good, so I imagine they are good judges of character)

Opinions?

Of course to all dragons we will be applying the tail/wing attack changes so theres already some unnoted differences
And again I dont think their breath weapons will need any additions since Metallics already have 2. Honestly Metallics are already quite good bosses compared to almost every other dragon because of the variety in their statblocks- but being the "good ones" they are going to be used as bosses WAY less, so its a lot harder to recognize

[tender narwhal]

For Judge's Entrance, replace the first line with " during the first round of combat" like the Bugbear does, make half the damage lighting, and fix the confusing wording between "the dragon's choosing" and "vertically", which seem to contradict each other
Keen of Character should just be some bonus to Insight checks, which seems much easier and more thematic than impose disadvantage

[torpid niche]

It says choosing because otherwise it just says "30 feet vertically" ... vertically where? Vertically means front, back, left, right, or diagonal- not moving up or down

That wording means it moves 30 feet directly in a direction, but cant be moved up or down- cant be launched into the air for example

Otherwise it just moves... vertically. Which direction vertically? who the heck knows, that doesnt mean in anything for the dm to use- its moving in a vertical direction of the dragons choosing

.
Bronze Dragon closing out in 2 hours (7pm EST)
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[wheat sorrel]

What if they could grapple somebody during the movement? That way, they could pick up somebody, fly to the water, and drown them underwater.

[west kindle]

I feel like it should get something that feels like a judges authority, not that these two aren't fitting

[wheat sorrel]

Something to negate what somebody else just did would be thematic.

[west kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/minus-all-fiction-kumagawa-misogi-gif-22847149

[torpid niche]

@here hey should we make this a discord of its own? Cause this is a pretty big project, we could just create a server for the project in and of itself to use.
Could make posts about each monsters changes here and there on social media to gather more people interested, gives us more room and freedom to work on it, etc

Just something I was considering

(Right, forgot @here doesnt work in forums, lol. REAAAALLY dont want to pester people with the pinglist again, but want the idea to be apparent. Hmmmmmmm)

[raw apex]

I'd join that server tbh

(Also could include this on the next monster announcement)

[torpid niche]

Oh, nine layers your right!

[torpid niche]

Enhance This Enemy
Day 67, Copper Dragons
Best identified from their upwards pointing cheek ridges, and frills on their lower jaws- in a similar manner to mutton chops- were the Bronze Dragons. A Bronze Dragon could best be described as bardic at heart, more so than even the Brass. Copper Dragons were pranksters and lovers of wit at their core, relishing in a good joke, story, or prank. They made their homes in rocky plains and highlands, carving out their lairs in confusing and decieving ways- even occasionally providing fake walls to hide their more prized possessions. Intruders were often left with fake hoards to loot (of which was cursed, if the dragon had a particularly dry sense of humor) to tease those who invaded their lairs, and kept out of sight for the most part. Copper Dragons loved a good joke, and so would spend much of their time collecting such, along with stories and items to reference for their own comedy. They especially enjoyed the company of bards, and were prone to becoming annoyed if others didnt laugh at their or another's jokes and pranks.

Copper Dragons were exceptional climbers, with their homes in the rocky terrain. Between their two breath weapons, the Copper Dragon could breath a thin line of acid, or a gaseous breath that made those within it sluggish.

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[torpid niche]

And also (see message I replied)-

[west kindle]

Yeah I'd join too

[tender narwhal]

we'd get less attention, but it'd let us do more

It'd let other people do their own side projects on top of this main project as well

[tender narwhal]

Give them vicious mockery but scaled up to the dragon's CR

[wheat sorrel]

Maybe an optional trait that allows them to naturally curse their hoards.

You could give them the opposite of the help action as a reaction.

[mystic jetty]

I'd join too

These dragons possessed the ability to alter their form, assuming the appearance of any type of animal or humanoid creature they choose. As such, many could have encountered a bronze dragon without ever being the wiser.[7]

Bronze dragons could speak with animals, create food and water, make fog, control water and control weather, and detect thoughts.[4]

i saw this in the wiki

[torpid niche]

These are most certainly sourced from the forgotten realms wiki, to which ill note- all metallic dragons can shapechange, already in the statblock as the Change Shape action, and all also had innate spellcasting from previous editions
But for dragons we're actually straying away from them being natural spellcasters, leaving that as an optional rule

[mystic jetty]

ok

[torpid niche]

But id be in no way averse to giving this particular one some bardic magic

[mystic jetty]

yeah it could be funny

[torpid niche]

Since Coppers are very expressly the bard type, joking, witty, scholarly, and their older members are noted to use magic not just in their racial abilities from previous editions

They could definitely just be natural bards as they age

[mystic jetty]

sounds logical

[torpid niche]

Also since there seems to be plenty of support for it- we will definitely be making a server, yippee

[torpid niche]

The server is now available, but still in need of heavy construction, which I hope you all will assist with in the Server-Suggestions chat. Will be worked on throughout the day, and anyone who joins from this chat will recieve a unique role "OG-67", referring to how you were here for the first 67 entries while this project was still a forum.

https://discord.gg/qnQ2sPA5

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Ah the return of the Pingwall, how I haven't missed thee...

[fringe gulch]

Could you please stop tagging me in these?

I said something one time, like a year ago.

[torpid niche]

Well boy do I have news! Youll never be tagged here again! Ever... ever... because the forum is closing permanently to instead become a server.
Soon enough this forum is going dead silent and will turn archived like all the rest

[torpid niche]

sending a single message so this stays in my hotbar while im rifling through our old messages

[gloomy pollen]

this project looks really interesting, and I would like to help out, but the server link is broken. can you send a new invite?

[torpid niche]

https://discord.gg/C9kpJ8PWHq