Decrease AA

[manic remnant]

AA could use a decrease specifically on console. Here is a 1min video example
https://youtu.be/zQG8qLonjMc?si=wZD6o2MoIJDNzzqu

[edgy wigeon]

a decrease from current max to 20 or 25% max assist possible on both PC and console 🤝

[oblique kettle]

Shoot im on pc and my aim assist ant that strong im all over the place sometimes

[fallow aurora]

Yea what aim assist on consol.

[honest beacon]

aiming with one finger isnt easy, keep aim assist for a fair game

[jovial stone]

For the love that is holy, nerf AA. It's a literal cheat. Get rid of it.

[edgy wigeon]

You gradually get better 'thumbs'

[honest beacon]

with a 2.68 kd I would be crying too.

[glass cedar]

AA doesn’t need a nerf on console cheaters need a nerf that use Cronus we already got a AA nerf make OTG fun again

[honest beacon]

yesir

[jovial stone]

Keep using the AA max settings, some people can't bike without training wheels.

[honest beacon]

my kd is double of yours, get better... noobie

[jovial stone]

Bragging about using AA is funny

[honest beacon]

I play since aim assist didnt exist on this game lol

[jovial stone]

If your so good, turn off AA. Lets see how good you are.

[honest beacon]

use only your thumb to aim and lets see how worse you get lol

[red hawk]

These are stationary targets being shot from 5 meters away its literally impossible to miss... this is not accurate to fights in game

[edgy wigeon]

Not accurate but possible, everything he's doing is very possible in game. You'd have to relook at all your settings and takes time to adjust. I'd been on 20% for a few months and switched to 0 yesterday.

Playing around with less AA esp if you're on console is something worth trying. The game is EA, the current version of AA might not be what's in the full release.

[manic remnant]

It's tough, but it's doable. I need to make an updated video with better resolution, but there are plenty of moving target examples here
https://youtu.be/lPsjr2pkfPQ?si=mVPXDERp7FIlDelF

[tribal kestrel]

This looks ok but if 10% of consoles would have Whataweeks aim I would be concerned. His aim is so good that it’s sus.

Just looking at random statistics from best players I know not many console players have insane aim or headshot%.

[quick plume]

This video shows how bad AA actually is to be honest.

[manic remnant]

I agree. I make these to engagement farm lol, but it's an insanely hard balance to find. With how much movement there is in the game, casual players wont stick around if they can't hit a shot. On the other end, good players have a bit too much assistance, where they are just dominating. Not sure what the solution is

[buoyant heath]

There’s plenty of PC player lobbies . Stick to PC lobbies if the controller AA bothers you.

PC has an advantage with keyboard and mouse that’s why it’s the way it is. Normally games consider Keyboard and mouse an unfair advantage. Seems like people just want the upper hand by knocking down the competition.

[red hawk]

This is the problem... you want to take away aim assist cool i would love that.. take PC players out of console lobbies and theres no problem removing aim assist. PC players are always the problem get them outta console lobbies and 90% of complaints wil stop

[edgy wigeon]

https://discord.com/channels/1136951763170250752/1385865535832588288

[honest beacon]

I play PC w a controller anyways

not running from my aim assist cry babies

[manic remnant]

Im a console controller player

[quick plume]

Can we please just watch this video and discuss the fact that AA is not the issue here, it's the actual aiming. It's not a good show case for it unfortunately and only shows that AA isn't strong.

[edgy wigeon]

It is strong. Look, aim, shoot = high accuracy. Current AA removes almost all the effort you need to do this imo.

[quick plume]

Have you seen his video? What on earth is being assisted here? Nothing is hitting? The only shots that are being hit is when his 5 metres away which will hit because his actually aiming on them.

[edgy wigeon]

he said he'll do another vid bro

[quick plume]

Yes but that video is enough to actually show AA isn't enough to justify all the noise.

[edgy wigeon]

Stayed tuned

[buoyant heath]

All I’m saying is yes it’s cross play but I’ve played a couple PC lobbies. It’s 99% pc and same with console. I don’t see a reason to switch everything up when majority of players stick to their own lobbies and you’re trying to undo a whole platform base because maybe you want a competitive edge. Just leave it everyone is used to how it is.

[honest beacon]

cry babies, aim assist isnt strong, yall the ones who cant even aim on mk lol

[molten raven]

Wow that is disgusting! No wonder I get out shot out of the air while going 80mph! Nice video never saw a comparison like that.

[molten raven]

Console aim assist makes everything feel stationary

[jovial stone]

It's not strong, but you wont turn it off. Nice stance

[buoyant heath]

For real 😂

[honest beacon]

kd 2.6... delete the game, even ur dog knows you are horrible lol

and you have courage to stream on top of that hahah

[buoyant heath]

What is wrong with 2.6 KD? That’s positive what is the gold standard now 10?

Maybe people do other things with their life instead of playing a game nonstop

2.6 is considered above average not everyone plays for money 💰 or has no life outside a screen.

[honest beacon]

you and ur gf both bad at the game, thats it

[jovial stone]

I have a 3.8 KD in Deathmatch, and thanks for sharing that I stream!

[buoyant heath]

I have a 1.56 I think standards for being good is a positive KD

I believe being bad is not being able to place positive

I’m top 10% for damage per match. That isn’t bad.

It’s pretty sad you gota dog on people about a video game to feel better about yourself. If you’re so good, you shouldn’t need to get rid of the aim assist.

[jovial stone]

He's afraid he's less then dogwater without Aim ASSIST.

[buoyant heath]

Probably cheats. Only no lifes that get no tail hold a standard ridiculous and then turn around and attack people who are less than that. Pretty sad. He needs to get out and get some.

Usually only cheaters wanna get everybody down to a level where the game doesn’t help them at all so they can abuse. The system makes sense.

I just threw out a suggestion Zeus arm

[manic remnant]

@jovial stone I didn't know you streamed! I'll tune in next time you're live and I'm free. @buoyant heath props to you both for having a positive kd. Even if you are negative, but are having fun, that's what matters. I've been having more fun these last few weeks with AA turned off and not doing great than when I would average +10kd running with a set squad just running through lobbies

[buoyant heath]

Nice 👍 my point being if you can get positive you not “bad” just not a sweat lol

[jovial stone]

Nice! I stream for video content, I like creating videos. I think its really funny someone would get so angry about AA. The more you play without AA the better you will get.

[honest beacon]

LOL, 3.8 is good now for dm? my dog can achieve dat if I give him glasses

[buoyant heath]

@honest beacon your pathetic

[quick plume]

For the love of god look at the video, if you think that video is strong aim assist then please forgive me but the aiming was pretty bad (no disrespect).

[grand canyon]

Try playing a few rounds with it off and get back to us.
FFS
Gaslighting to the max.

[timid pilot]

@honest beacon You really are pathetic dude

[thin otter]

because of AA i stopped flyin, i only walk on the ground, because if i fly, they will shoot me

[honest beacon]

so this is now a bot reunion here? hahahah

[timid pilot]

Gotta try harder man, you're still being pathetic...

[honest beacon]

pathetic is your skills in this game, get better noobie

[grand canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/fly-soar-zach-galifianakis-gif-11636191

[timid pilot]

Try...Harder...

[honest beacon]

I think you are the one who should try harder lol noobie

[timid pilot]

Lame attempt yet again but i appreciate the effort. Harder!

[dreamy cloak]

When the player base becomes bigger and option to turn off cross play as we all prefer our own platforms. I haven’t seen magic aim assist on PlayStation and don’t want to play with people cheating on pc also pc have much better movement. Cronus on console is a massive problem. Any one that cheats in any form is a full on dick

[honest beacon]

you like it when I go harder? ahahah pathetic girl

[ornate acorn]

you have to actually aim for it to work.

[dark lintel]

I feel the same. That’s the point of changing all the settings on sensitivities. No reason for AA except people who just can’t hack it in this game. And for those I say, PRACTICE you whiny chumps!

[ivory prism]

If AA doesn't really do anything, then remove it. It shouldn't make a difference

[dark lintel]

That’s not true. Look at the time taken for take down. Thats the difference between you and the other guy not using AA. AA wins every time.

[dark lintel]

Cronus works for all platforms. Not just PC. Zen is fully compatible with PlayStation and Xbox. Y’all should inform yourselves. People cheatin on every platform. Turns cross play off and still has issues. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[quick plume]

I know what I'm seeing, the games needs AA like every other game. Pc has AA also. A lot of the time people mistake AA for the TTK. The AA isn't as bad as some think.

[ornate acorn]

yeah it needs AA. not 60% AA tho XDD

30% PC and 40% Console should be the absolute perfect amount of AA. You should still need some skill to actually kill.

[quick plume]

Perfect 👌 that's a good idea.

45% console, 35 PC and we have a deal.

[ornate acorn]

i'm all for the idea that controllers need AA in games. i'm not wanting to remove that one bit. but it should just definitely be reduced.

and yeah 45% may be a little much still. that's only 5% less than what it is on PC. which is why i think 10% less on pc should be the perfect percentage. I've tried it on both and 50% really is extremely strong, and this is the first shooter game that i have played controller on. and have a 7 K/D on a brand new account w no loadouts.

[dark lintel]

He does it with and without AA and it’s clear that AA takes way less time. Same gun. No difference in TTK.

Lowering it would be a good middle ground to stand on and test out though.

And making it same for all controller whether pc or console. Controller is a controller.

[ivory prism]

"AA doesn't help anyway." "OK, remove it then." "NOOOO we won't have a chance!"

[balmy stag]

https://discord.com/channels/1136951763170250752/1391676325559009330

[grand canyon]

I really do expect they will tone down the AA. Rather sooner than later. 🫥

[tribal kestrel]

Haha, not true. Same level players mnk will win. AA is just an attempt to level playing field.

[tribal kestrel]

I have on PC almost 300fps and the game is just so much smoother.

In the end this is just irrelevant as devs look at metrics and data and make decisions on that.

[ornate acorn]

that's very debatable. mnk players will have to have trained their aim for more than a year in order to get the same aim as a great controller player with 60% aim assist. Only advantage would possibly be sniping but not by much at all.

[gentle siren]

i think it the player just needs more practice seen people on controller and on xbox clutch against 5 group teams solo and still does a whole lot better then me lol and i on pc with mouse

[quick plume]

How do I remove this convo from my feed? it's all absolute nonsense :).

[gentle siren]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ lol but true

[tribal kestrel]

More than a year? Where do you get your info? Is a year long?

There is zero denate about the micro aim accuracy while also being able to do 180s in a fraction of time it takes a controller player to turn.

[tribal kestrel]

I am biting too much.

[ornate acorn]

most top players in this game that are MnK are usually either top players in other games or have dedicated a lot of time to aim training. being a top player in other shooter games of course is aim training in itself as you usually practice on target dummies or something similar.

yet the average controller player can easily kill a top player in this game right now. doesn't quite make sense there.

[ornate acorn]

yeah it's a lot harder than you think 💀 "micro aim accuracy" yeah sure you can also do the same on controller. 180s? yeah you'd have to sacrifice being able to be accurate with your shots or would have to swipe your mouse across the desk to do it. controllers can also 180 easily as well. high look sens and lower aim sens works for man people.

[tribal kestrel]

No, an average controller player can’t kill a top mnk player. The top players used to stomp whole lobbies by THEMSELVES and got god complex.

[ornate acorn]

they most definitely can. skill ceiling got reduced tenfold. can't tell who's a top player anymore.

[tribal kestrel]

Oh, you Seli. Agree with skill ceiling reduced and that something is very off right now but AA is just a very small part. Have a good day!

[ornate acorn]

Yeah AA is somewhat a small part. If it's decreased to 40% instead of 60% then I feel like that would be much better. I don't want it completely removed of course.

[dark lintel]

The settings level that playing field by adjusting your sensitivity.

[dark lintel]

FPS is a whole different beast than AA.

For AA issues, turning on the option to turn off crossplay addresses this issue in the short term.

[ornate acorn]

not even. because pc players have aim assist with controller and it's 50% AA

no one wants to use mnk anymore because of this. almost everyone that was mnk has switched to controller because of AA. at least a lot of the good players in the game.

[dark lintel]

Ngl, I’ve considered it. I’m not that good yet so a bonus like that would be a major improvement. But FPS is my biggest issue rn cause I don’t have the cash to upgrade my pc.

Best days I’m running 30-40 fps.

[ornate acorn]

Yeah not every PC is able to run 300 FPS like every console player thinks. Average would probably be around 80 FPS unless they want a LOT of delay and run motion boost.

[dreamy cloak]

I mentioned people console Cronus in my comment

[dark lintel]

Idk why @honest beacon thinks it’s funny I’m poor.

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

This is what’s wrong with people in the world.

[frozen vigil]

Every example is flying. Yet pc players still dominate 99% of these flying battles .

Speaks for itself. Try using aim assist when on the ground. It’s useless.

[ornate acorn]

PC players do NOT dominate these battles at all 😂 if they laser you in the sky while they're also in the sky, they're using controller on PC or console.

[grand canyon]

A lot of console players dont understand that controllers are also used on PC with the AA turned on.

They see Epic icon and think mnk.

[narrow citrus]

Make it Pc vs pc , console vs console.. .can't believe how much pc players cry even w their master pcbahahhahah

[ornate acorn]

huh? it's not PC vs PC and console vs console tho. they're both combined. crossplay is enabled and disabling it doesn't work.

most console players are allergic to logic I swear.

[narrow citrus]

You dense pos

[ornate acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/jar-jar-binks-jar-jar-star-wars-gif-16610062661717531659

[narrow citrus]

Your mother agrees 👍

[ornate acorn]

that's all you can think of huh

[narrow citrus]

Triggered Karen's unite!!! I got more incel-ee

How dare you criticize pc players. So soft man.

[rich lotus]

You have more AA in the test range, why? IDK…

[dark lintel]

He said make it that way, not that it is that way.

https://tenor.com/view/smh-prince-bling-shaking-my-head-disagreeing-gif-17915963460009652991

Making it optional is the way.

[ornate acorn]

yeah he just edited it. when I replied, he didn't have it that way.

[quick plume]

i really do feel that there is a lack of understanding when people just complain about AA. There is more to it in many other ways and other issues that may look like AA but are infact TTK, awful movement, 3 stacking, ping, HS Multipliers etc etc.

[grand canyon]

I think the only relevant data here is accuracy. Roller vs mnk. Unfortunately we can not see if a Pc is using a controller or mnk. Surely devs have all the details.

[ornate acorn]

yeah sure, other things play a factor into this as well. But AA is definitely still a large factor.

If you give me and whataweek an m4, he will kill me everytime. regardless of the fact that i have aim trained for over a year and reached top ranks in other shooter games for mnk.

i have good movement as well, but with movement being nerfed and slow, it's easier to beam anyone with guns with AA.

not saying AA should be disabled. but a 30/40% AA should be the perfect percentage for aim assist.

[manic remnant]

AA clips make me feel icky. These were pulled from the single match I played this morning

[ivory prism]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-crazy-jefferson-white-yellowstone-this-is-insane-crazy-gif-17897059

[tribal kestrel]

Donalsky plays with no AA according to him. Very, very good aim.

[dry walrus]

Majority of controller players are not beaming anyone constantly!
My wife and best friend are typically gold ranked cod players and they just spray and pray most of the time.
Lower aa and they are completely screwed because even with a drum mag they wouldn't be able to kill anyone without reloading.
Instead of making the game much harder for them (the below and average players), we should just ask/beg/demand/cry for input crossplay imo.

[ornate acorn]

the solution would be for a ranked mode and/or input crossplay.

[molten garden]

Even with input cross play console still has a slight advantage in the controller department with a higher AA %.

Might not seem like it on paper but that 10% is a pretty big difference haha

[honest beacon]

BUFF PC AA!!

[dry walrus]

If you want that no one has an advantages than ps5/pro, pc, Xbox X shouldn't run better in any way than the series s.
No overclocked controllers, no extra graphic settings, capped frames at max 60 and so on.

Just give us then the option back to turn off crossplay without input crossplay if that helps to end the discussion.
Make it pc vs pc and consoles vs consoles 👍

[quick plume]

@ornate acorn After a few back and forwards with you about AA. I am in agreement with you after going to PC. Console AA does indeed need a nerf to at the same as PC as a starter point. I guess i needed to see both sides of the situation, my bad bro.

[ornate acorn]

All good man! I'm glad ya tested both sides 🙂 I typically don't enjoy engaging in arguments that I don't know I'm right or wrong about. So if I do engage in one, I've personally researched or experienced it before. I don't just say these things because I feel like I should be right if that makes sense 😅

[quick plume]

Yeah i hear you bro. Sooo where do we rant about the console AA needing a nerf to at least match PC's 🙂

[ornate acorn]

yeahhh it's almost a lost cause. we just have to rely on the steam reviews saying that aim assist is way too strong in the game now. feedback in discord won't do much at all with aim assist sadly

I talk about it mainly to sway people's opinions on it, even if it won't be changed

[hardy helm]

Bump

[jovial stone]

YES! We need more people talking about the AA (much needed) nerf.

[tribal kestrel]

Yes buff.

[ornate acorn]

I can't wait to convince you too

[dry walrus]

Soon after a possible AA nerf tons of people will ask for movement nerfs (especially RR)..
Be careful what you wish for 😁

[edgy wigeon]

increase in 'revenge nerf' requests just confirms the 'AA nerf' that would've happened was justified

[dry walrus]

Has nothing to do with "revenge".
Im pretty sure this is gonna happen.

[ornate acorn]

highly doubt that. we've had too many movement nerfs. sooooo many more people want movement buffs, haven't heard any say they want nerfs. just like the majority want AA nerfs.

[dry walrus]

The majority wants AA nerf? I highly doubt that tbh.
I barely see (average and below average average) console players complaining about AA.
Make crossplay option work again and let consoles and pc fight their own kind again, that's what im voting for.
I play on ps5 and have zero issues fighting other console players.
But I get why mnk users could complain tbh.

[ornate acorn]

I mean look at the poll 😂 that's the majority already. and most competitive players that want a nerf, definitely do not go to the feedback page in here.

[dry walrus]

Before they deleted the old polls, the "remove forced crossplay" polls had way more than 100 upvotes in the ps5 and xbox section and those didn't complain about AA but advantages pc had (not saying i supported their opinions about that).
Most of the time you only see people raise their words when they are very unhappy with something and not when they like something.

So nerf AA even more and you most likey gonna see polls with more upvotes then this one with "buff AA again" or "nerf RR and slamfist".

"Fixing" crossplay would help a lot imo

[ornate acorn]

the problem is ranked not being in. having this much aa makes it where nonskilled players can easily kill the top players of the game. they don't need any good movement or anything, they can just stand still with a boomslang and laser away.

With Ranked, casuals won't play against top players anymore. with aim assist decreased by 20%, casuals won't feel much of a difference and ranked players will actually have to learn to get better again. Not rely on aim assist to do the work per usual.

[dry walrus]

Then why do those nonskilled players not beam me the whole time?
The Average and majority CoD players are in silver and gold ranked and those "skilled" players aren't beaming you constantly.

If you nerf AA by 20% and introduce SBMM/ranked, a few days later you gonna see people asking for the RR nerf i bet because every "nonskilled" player is gonna use it because the other ones won't be able to kill them at all while they running around.

Fix crossplay or give us input crossplay at least.

[ornate acorn]

"nonskilled" players are going to use RR to move around and get places. not to out move enemies.

Also "nonskilled" players to me are players who have under a 2.0 K/D. usually they don't know how to use movement effectively but can just beam like nothing else.

[dry walrus]

More like to run away every time they get hit by a bullet and this might or will become an issue when they nerf AA.

What do you mean exactly with movement, excluding slamfist and RR.
Can people have good movement without those in your opinion?

[ornate acorn]

oh yeah they can definitely have good movement without limbs. walljumping, flying, Zipline plays, slides, etc. movement limbs just help a lot with that stuff tho. the nonskilled players I'm talking about just run around mindlessly or fly in a straight line with no variation. or they just beam you and if you push them and break their shields they try to run away.

they get that K/D because of the AA, not because of their movement or game sense.

[dry walrus]

Ok, thank you.
And in my honest opinion, many (but not all) who are complaining about AA atm are some of those non or lets say less talented players (flying in straight lines and then blaming AA) and many which have a k/d little above 2 are having those because of all the bots and not AA believe (same with better accuracys).

I consider myself good, not very good anymore but i barely get killd by those players. Nerf AA and they wont kill me at all anymore unless im having a drink that moment and im not moving.
I would benifit from less AA but most i know won't.
I really understand why people get mad but most controller users need a good AA in a game like OTG if we want to keep that remaining movement we got.
I strongly believe that and i want to keep that although i neither use RR or slamfist.
I already can see few players complaining here and there about RR and slamfist (mostly console players) and i understand those too.
There has to be a nice middleground for everyone and i think we are in a good spot controller wise.
Mnk i fully understand that they dislike AA, so i will keep asking for input crossplay.
If they ever introduce a ranked mode i can see myself supporting the idea to have less AA there (depends on things then).
And now i go back to teardrop island for now ✌️

[ornate acorn]

This is my large take on this subject, but if you are complaining in a shooter game where you are required to shoot your enemies, you need skill to do so. Not rely on the computer to do most of the aiming for you. Used to, AA wasn't a thing. Gaming used to be amazing back then. Now AA kind of ruins the point of practicing your aim. since you can rely on AA most of the time.

So if they complain that AA needs to be buffed or are scared about it being nerfed, they just need to get better or not play the game to win or get kills.

[edgy wigeon]

bro...respectfully asking, how much AA have you got applied right now? change that value to 0 for a week or even a day and report back your findings.

[dry walrus]

Should be maxed as i haven't changed it.
When the game was released on ps5 AA was barely noticeable and i did better than most without using damage limbs.
That's why i said i would profit more than other console players of a AA nerf

[hardy helm]

In more instances than the alternative do the “majority” not realise what they actually want. The average player and even the average high skill player has a very rudimentary understanding of the intricacies of dynamically interdependent combat systems’ interactions.

The current format as well as “strength” (see note) of AA has many detrimental repercussions to the health of combat even inside of a console or controller only environment.

Note: it’s not necessarily as simple as saying the value that controls the current strength of AA is too high but how the Rotational AA system (R AA is the main culprit of design balance concerns) functions with or without additional parameters such as range, weapon type, hip fire or ads, consistent or intermittent activation, etc.

[edgy wigeon]

can you say all that again in english😂

[hardy helm]

https://tenor.com/view/rhony-leah-leah-mcsweeney-housewives-rest-my-case-gif-16966928

[edgy wigeon]

this really hurts my feelings buff lol. So ur saying rotational is mainly the issue?

[ornate acorn]

rotational is the sticky part so yeah it's the main problem

[edgy wigeon]

ok, i reduced them both gradually equally never independantly...i guess i actually have something to play around with now, cheers

[jovial stone]

This is why AA with a geared out M4 is exceptionally over powered. TTk + AA headshots will beam players dead before they can react. From full to dead in a second is too fast. Reaction time matters, and having a Aim Assist that puts your shots on your targets head with a geared M4 is too powerful.

Reducing AA will balance the scales better, but AA overall is bad for competative gameplay. You should rely on skill, not a bot.

I want Ranked gameplay, but we will see many top players using controllers because AA is too powerful not to use. This is wrong in a fair competation.

[worldly whale]

I saw disgusting AA in-game and thought it was Cronus turns out it’s just basic aim assist. And these people brag about their laser accuracy...🤦‍♂️

Sure, consoles have lower FPS and only a thumb to aim, but no one’s forcing you to play on a $600 device against $2K PCs. If you want better performance, upgrade your setup. Controller aim is omnidirectional. Do you know how many times we have to reposition our mouse to track someone in this game? My entire desk is a mousepad, and I still run out of room sometimes. Meanwhile, AA locks on the moment you ADS and is super smooth, 0 shaking.

[dry walrus]

Haven't seen one bragging about their accuracy..

[buoyant heath]

Or just stick to pc lobbies and Console stick to console

[dry walrus]

Thats what im asking for. They said months ago "in the near future" it (turning crossplay off) would work again.
Still waiting for it

[tribal kestrel]

How did you come to the conclusion it was AA and not Cronus? Or god forbid skill.

[buoyant heath]

If you turn it off you rarely see people from other platforms. I did PC and I was the only Console player. In console lobbies I maybe see 1 pc player every now and again.

[dry walrus]

It doesn't work. It only takes away the plattform icons.
They forced crossplay on us months ago because pc lobbies were dying.
Since that day the AA discussion started and it will last until they stop forcing us to play with other platforms

[buoyant heath]

Honestly they need to get their sttttt together or this game is going to flop all these nerfs and slowing the pace of the game it’s going to die in the water like cod and just be a Gimmick Fortnight rip off for kids to use mommy and Daddy’s credit card. 💳

[worldly whale]

I have encountered multiple, just download the companion app. But that's not my main point. There will always be kids who talk sh.. in a competitive game

[worldly whale]

I saw the video that Donalsky posted? ADS on a target and hit almost every bullet, recoil doesn't matter

[tribal kestrel]

lol

[grand canyon]

Yes. Plain as day in that vid. Yet we have strong AA advocates ignoring this.

[ornate acorn]

yeah recoil doesnt matter with AA tbh. cancels it out

[hardy helm]

Horizontal recoil is strongly negated by rAA but vertical recoil still has an impact (which kinda doesn’t matter coz it’s the most manageable of the two unfortunately )

[winter lantern]

I mean everyone can shoot a still target so I don’t get the point of this thread. You were hitting your shots slightly better with AA. So are you saying it should have no effect? Or what exactly is the argument here OP

You made a video to show exactly why AA is needed to ask for it to be removed, cause any decrease from this would put you in the same range as without AA

[edgy wigeon]

Picking attachments wisely also counters both without AA to an extent

[icy anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-very-accurate-chris-evans-esquire-very-precise-on-point-gif-17762378

[fervent osprey]

AA I’m the training to stronger then in game

In*

[ornate acorn]

bro..

[manic remnant]

What is a better way that I could demonstrate the strength of AA in your opinion?

[shadow shale]

A good start would be to nerf AA from 0.6 console/ 0.5 pc to 0.4 for both.

[grand canyon]

My opinion: if you play on controller with 60% AA your KD stats should be half of the number displayed on tracker. Fight me on this!

[grand canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/1inch-1inch-exchange-1inch-dex-defi-crypto-gif-24853025

[hardy helm]

They’ve done this before + sensitivity assist nerfs don’t nerf rotational AA which is the problematic and unbalanced component.

Optimal AA settings for players is reducing Sensitivity Assist (Slow down) to prevent the camera movement from being slowed before the crosshair is on target.

[grand canyon]

Are you saying what I think you're saying? This nerf will not effect the artificial controller aim accuracy?

[ornate acorn]

they're probably slowly nerfing the aim sensitivity first and gathering enough statistics to then nerf rotational assist once they have the stats they need.

[hardy helm]

It will not have any negative impact on controller performance.

Technically it could have a positive impact as the optimal sensitivity assist values should cause the slowdown area to be equal to or less than the character model and size. Otherwise it could slow down your sens before you’re on target.

This basically just slightly optimises the average player’s settings assuming they don’t change their settings themselves.

But I doubt it would have any impact good or bad.

[worldly whale]

Sensitivity assist only slows your camera down when you are aiming at/around a target so you can better shoot their head/chest etc. Rotational aim assist is what pulls your crosshair on the target (especially when you are strafing). Rotational is still 60% (super strong) on console

[grand canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/hopium-hope-ooznmates-ooz-ooz-dook-gif-27636554

[dry walrus]

It should still "help" players getting "beamed" less at long range.
Now time for FPS cap at ~75

[worldly whale]

isn't that the cap on ps5 pro? I saw console players with 75-80 fps, with high/ultra settings. (I assume it was console, because PC players usually play on low settings)

[dry walrus]

I wasn't serious here.
Pro doesn't get 80fps in fidelity mode, sadly.
I play in performance mode and and even there you don't get constant 80.

[buoyant heath]

Depending on the monitor I can run at 120 FPS on Xbox series X but otg doesn’t pass 100

[ornate acorn]

1080p or 4k monitor/tv

[dry walrus]

4k tv

[strong dragon]

If you PC players would stop aim botting and hacking we wouldn't need AA.

SO MAYBE clean up your trash before you come crying.

[ornate acorn]

well that makes sense then lol. use a 1080p monitor. resolution matters heavily in performance optimization. your game is getting 3-4x the amount of pixels than a 1080p monitor would. so of course that would be a major decrease in performance

[dry walrus]

Same result when playing in the other room on 1080p monitor

[tribal kestrel]

PS5 is different in many games (Cod for example) the PS5 first up scales to 4K then downscales to 1080p.

[ornate acorn]

weird, my xbox series x gets around 70-100 fps in 1080p

[tribal kestrel]

Yeah

[ornate acorn]

guess its a ps5 problem

[quick plume]

Pffft no chance, maybe in the training area 🙂

[ornate acorn]

yes chance lol. I use a 1080p monitor. not talking ab in range, I mean in game

[buoyant heath]

I run 80-100 in 1440 on Xbox. Xbox is capable of 120 fps if you have the right monitor

[tribal kestrel]

Ps5 is capable of 120fps with right TV/monitor but not in this game. Hoped for a low detail graphics mode without shadows for PS too but guess not until next version of UE or lowering model detail.

[hardy helm]

Definitely need the shadowless performance mode for console or some other format of additional console focused optimisations.

[woeful flume]

What we need is all of the above you guys discussed, but above all we need more players, because it’s exhausting to face pro players who dominate every lobby, every day, every game, and every other player, killing everyone and farming everything possible before new players even have a chance. I invited loads of friends to try the game, they all went dark after ONE MATCH because the game was not playable for them at all and they are gamers.

Skilled matchmaking isn’t working at all; I’m being both subjective and objective here. The crossplay on/off function doesn’t work either. Useless. Even if I’m level 240 and team up with a level 100 and level 500, we still end up in lobbies with the same group of high-level players (above +500). The same number of pro players killing everybody else, boring AF. I won’t even get started on aim assist on consoles or the assholes cheating on PC - that’s a whole other level of "skum" I’d gladly knock out cold with no remorse.

Still, I keep on grinding in hope all this will change at some point.

[ornate acorn]

we need ranked man. every good player will want to grind ranked. it would split up the playerbase instantly

[manic remnant]

I would have to agree with @ornate acorn. Most high skill players don't want to sit around and kill bots & new players. Ranked would really help separate people by skill level, and give a huge grindable aspect to the game, which in turn would bring back old players and help retain new ones

[woeful flume]

Also, yes.

[grand canyon]

The only way for Kris to thrive now is for @manic remnant to carry him a few games. I can vouch for Chris as his best man. 😇

[woeful flume]

Haha, I agree 100%

[manic remnant]

I'm down to play a few matches! Idk how much carrying I'll be doing since I am playing with AA set to zero 😅My name is the same here as it is on OTG, so feel free to add me if you want to play a couple matches @woeful flume

[woeful flume]

Most def I will. ®️

[hardy helm]

Bump

[hardy helm]

DAILY BUMP

[edgy wigeon]

👀....bump

[tribal kestrel]

Daily Buff

[manic remnant]

Bump

[hardy helm]

DAILY BUMP

[mellow geyser]

BUMP

[grand canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/bump-belly-gif-13707487

[hardy helm]

D A I L Y B U M P

[jovial stone]

https://tenor.com/view/pengu-pudgy-penguin-pudgypenguins-still-waiting-gif-15917402267108232276

[hardy helm]

https://tenor.com/view/attention-notice-me-please-notice-me-need-attention-notice-me-senpai-gif-19829808

[woeful flume]

bump

[quick plume]

Decrease control rotational assist to 50%. All platforms are at least the same as then with controller.

[grand canyon]

WTH do you mean 50% ? You will have to aim for yourself eventually.

[quick plume]

Damn it

[hardy helm]

Ye 30/40% would be fine. 40% on pc at 60fps had several relatively average players telling me they felt they were getting kills they shouldn’t have gotten so easily because of rAA.
But I think what would be more appropriate is 40% + fine tuning conditional rAA values rather than just outright dropping it to 30% or similar.

You want it to be able to appropriately compliment the player’s natural ability but you also need to player to feel like it is actually complimenting their natural ability and isn’t either absent or overwhelming.

[tribal kestrel]

I would usually agree to this but the game is not optimized on a tick rate level or just big desync between PC and consoles.

Good evidence of this is a PC player just slid around with RR and two guys me included just could not hit him. It feels as a desync, little like we have 20fps and he 200fps and no or little interpolation.

[quick plume]

Yeah i felt like that when i was on console. I agree with the dsync side of it for sure. Now i am on PC, it does feel like you 'get away' in a cleaner way rather than having the builky slow/low FPS.

[hardy helm]

I agree optimisation definitely needs to be bettered on console, but I’m convinced the desync people often refer to is situational or user-specific. Some say they get desync, yet others are fine.

@rose forum have you ever felt like your game was desyncing other than playing on equinox/copper

[tribal kestrel]

It took Battlefield years to get tick rate and hit reg in order. I guess OTG is not there.

[rose forum]

Not really on low ping everything is fine from what i can remember this issue i think usually happens when the target has high ping difference so they look like they are teleporting using slide and RRs the same way i was teleporting playing on high ping on copper so its harder for copper players to track me while playing on low ping, But up to 130 ms it wasn’t that bad the last time i played.

[native wind]

The aim-assist in this game is indeed strong. The problem is that PC players tend to complain loudly about about a minor difference in aim-assist strength between PC and console (currently 10 % rotational), while completely downplaying the much more significant FPS and responsiveness advantage of high end PCs over consoles.

I’m not putting another dime into this game until crossplay is made voluntary.

[native wind]

This comment perfectly demonstrates why PC-console crossplay should be strictly voluntary.

Having to change your platform of choice in order to play a game properly is not reasonble and is not merely an "upgrade".

Consoles are different platforms with different design and engineering standards, not just budget gaming PCs the way some PC users might see it.

Same goes for the "not all PC users get 200 fps" pseudo argument. Widely different hardware configurations is mostly a PC challenge and problem that is being imported to console with crossplay.

Even the weakest and strongest current-gen consoles use the same CPU, the AMD Zen 2, clocked at 3.6 and 3.5 GHz respectively.

[edgy wigeon]

This

[grand canyon]

We mnk players are complaining on the AA. Not the roller crew.

• the roller players who admit the AA potency, thinning the gap between a skilled and non skilled player.

[rose forum]

Cross play off should never even exist. It does nothing but separating the not so big player base that this game has resulting in high queue times with more bots filled in your match than you already get. Im a console player myself and tbh aa should not be differentiated across platforms and simply if we want to play on higher fps and smoother experience well we need to spend more money and get a pc same as a person who wants to play with paddles on a controller would spend more on a more expensive controller.

Aa should be nerfed on both platforms and not be differentiated

[native wind]

The console playerbase that left the game because of forced crossplay is bigger than the total current playerbase across all platforms.

If I’m supposed to babysit an ungrateful, toxic, insufferable PC playerbase then I want to get paid, and I’m certainly not paying for it.

[native wind]

Buying a controller with paddles is not equivalent to changing your gaming platform of choice.

Not in terms of cost (quantatively) and not in terms of respecting the platform of choice (qualitatively), a choice that players have already made coming into the game.

[native wind]

@seli69 Do you have anything substantial to say?

[fallow aurora]

It isnt aa it is cronus

[edgy wigeon]

👀

[hardy helm]

If you feel like the AA isn’t strong you need to take some time and adjust your settings.

[fallow aurora]

I was meaning the people saying as is to high. It is to high due to cronus. I suck at this game. I have ny aa turned uo and I still feel like there is none. I can see the aa in the limb area but nit playing.

[hardy helm]

The rotational AA is too high. It is not because people may or may not be using Cronus.

Your second point; as I just said you need to mess around with your settings. The rAA is strong. Perhaps you don’t fully understand how rAA works and that’s why it feels “like there is none”.

You 100% need to experiment with settings in the range and take advice from other users, and once you feel like you have comfortable settings, practice in range with your AA off or reduced to determine if your new settings are optimal mobility and fluidity or not.

[manic remnant]

May I ask if you play on a TV or a monitor?

[hardy helm]

This too. High input lag will cause poor controllability and can be difficult to identify if you haven’t got a low input lag scenario to compare too

[grand canyon]

I don't care about the AA anymore. The new update is terrible. I cant see what the hell is going on in front of me. The HUD, the color changes...yuck!

[fallow aurora]

I play on a TV. I wosh they would increase aa just a smidgen but I can deal with what I have. Casual player.

[manic remnant]

All good, every game relies on casuals! But I will say that the lacking of AA you're feeling is most likely due to the input lag of the tv

[hardy helm]

Try looking through the TVs menu for any low latency/gaming modes/higher refresh rate etc and enable them.

[fallow aurora]

I sure willl

[fervent osprey]

Been saying that bout the AA working in the range more then in game

[fallow aurora]

Yea rang mimr is prefect

Game not at all

[hardy helm]

BUMP

[fervent osprey]

Y’all happy now

[ornate acorn]

about what 💀💀

[fervent osprey]

Idk just y’all happy yet

[fervent osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/pain-naruto-anime-anonymouskun-u-dont-know-me-gif-21604973

[ornate acorn]

he's on console and wants it decreased btw 👀

[fervent osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/maury-well-now-what-do-we-have-gif-7993540099891454851

[tame relic]

LMAO @manic remnant just saw this post.
I just ping to the big Cazaris the controller M4 for being busted.

@ornate acorn

Im not sure that AA needs to be nerfed but that the recoil needs tweaks so that the longer you hold the trigger wilder the spreads get, not long ago (2 weeks?) balance wasnt awful felt pretty good even if hard at times. I didnt think AA was busted at all.

Infact I dont think AA with any other gun is T that bad, its just the M4 and its variants with M4 controller being the worst.

There aren't controller beasts dominating out there with the Proton and Kasper or tbh even the Vulture variants.

I think too the last updates the slower flying movement means its a struggle to break AA now.

[tame relic]

Voice of reason from the

[hardy helm]

Dawg all those guns you mentioned are literally slamming on roller it’s not just m4

[tame relic]

They are sure, but not as bad as the M4, if they were as good there would be even some variation in load out, but I dont see it

[ornate acorn]

to be fair, kaspar is and has been ass lol. there are def controller demons on proton tho. and def controller players that use boomslang as well. it's definitely every gun.

[tame relic]

Agree its every gun, the balance was so close before too

[fervent osprey]

Decreased many times, still complaining

[hardy helm]

Those 2 occasions were Sensitivity Assist nerfs. One for PC and one for Console.

You can read here why decreasing the maximum value of Sensitivity (Slowdown) assist is not a nerf but rather an optimisation of the average player’s controller settings:

#general-chat message

[tame relic]

They just reduced the recoil on all AR's mate, its completely broken

This is completely broken, if you can look at this and think that AA is balanced...

[tribal kestrel]

You got shot by two people. What is broken here.

[tame relic]

1.2 second from full health and 2.5 plates to death from a single player and you see nothing broken?

[tribal kestrel]

You got shot at by two people. That is new TTK.

[tame relic]

Sure thing champ

[tribal kestrel]

Looks like it otherwise it’s a cheater.

[tame relic]

Just broken AA

[native wind]

The fact that many PC players complain about console AA (which as I’ve repeatedly said is indeed strong, alongside PC AA) while failing to acknowledge the obvious, indisputable and much more significant framerate advantage that high end PCs have over consoles, demonstrates a deep internal logical inconsistency, and possibly emotional immaturity driving it. It certainly makes one wonder.

[tame relic]

The fact that you fail to acknowledge the obvious, indisputable and much more significant fact that >50% of the leader board is console demonstrates a deep internal logical inconsistency, and possibly emotional immaturity, It certainly makes one wonder.

[grand canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-breedlove-eloquent-af-bitcoin-gif-19381043

[fervent osprey]

Bro you was just flying around for 20 secs your a easy target and he got first shots on you, the fact your on PC and complaining is enough for me to know you’re not even in the realm to be able to have an opinion

[tame relic]

LMAOOOOO

[native wind]

How original. Can’t you get your AI slopbot to write something for you instead of stealing my writing?

Quickly, just now, 12 out of the top 20 placements are Epic players, despite, what, making up 10-20 % of the total playerbase? That’s very disproportionate compared to the size of the Epic playerbase and not an argument in your favor.

I bet PC players got about 80 % of the prize money in clash for cash despite making up <20 % of the playerbase at the time. We have forced crossplay to save the PC playerbase from coming unsustainable, remember? They should release the data on how the platforms were represented in terms of receiving prize money vs. the respective sizes of each playerbase.

Fact of the matter is that many, or at least some, PC players argue for a complete leveling of aim-assist compared to console, as if it’s some sort of logical, noble quest, then have nothing substantial to say for themselves when confronted with the inequality of framerate, performance, CPU and GPU power, etc.

They make stupid, nonsensical arguments about how console players should be having to "upgrade" to PCs if they want competitive frame rates. Which reveals a disdain for console as a platform. It is not a platform choice that they respect but rather is considered a bad and deserved choice when having had the possibility to buy more expensive and powerful PC hardware. Understand, that’s just plain disrespectful towards console players.

If PC players have this disdain and inherent disrespect for console as a type of gaming platform, then all the more reason to make crossplay strictly voluntary. In fact it has become an independent reason of its own.

[ornate acorn]

To be completely fair... the C4C winners are people who had no jobs at all and just had plenty of time to play the game nonstop lol. Console players are usually casual and come home from their jobs to get on.

I agree they should release the data in that as well as factual data on the current playerbase and their retention rate.

[grand canyon]

C4C was strictly a grind fest. I would love to see real tourneys with a knockout cup system.

[gloomy atlas]

Having played on both console and PC, I can say that there’s a significant disadvantage for console players. A console player can’t even compete with an average PS player (noob), no matter how skilled they are, because the FPS difference makes a big impact. I really hope they bring back strong Aim Assist for console like before.

As for tournaments, I participated in them when I was playing on console, and honestly, I couldn’t compete with PS players because they had the advantage in every way: higher FPS rates, better clarity, and smoother gameplay.

Please, don’t talk about Aim Assist on console if you haven’t tried it—the difference is impossible to understand.

[native wind]

Appreciate and agree with everything you say (except maybe having stronger aim assist because as I’ve said before aim-assist is "the wrong solution to the right problem", the problem being forced crossplay and the right solution being, not aim-assist padding, but, voluntary crossplay).

[oak dune]

LOL if you actually watch the whole video the guy has good aim to beguin with. The aim assist makes him bearly miss at all. The misses are due to bloom rather than choppy aim. The AA is way over the top. Rollers like the game to do the work for them.

[oak dune]

wouldnt be without AA

[grand canyon]

Yes. Very strange how everyone ignores the video Donalsky made where its clear as day.
I also do agree consoles need to have low quailty mode added to increase fps.

[tribal kestrel]

Which video? The one on the range? Didn’t he do another without AA that was basically same? Watch SaudiArabias range video. That is insane on PC.

[mellow geyser]

Of course, let's bring back stronger aim assist, add help with seeing through walls, add help with automatic use of cyberlimbs, and justify it with low FPS. People surprise me. And then they cry because PC gamers use programs like Rewsd to use mouse AA. Don't make people look completely clueless. Every time, it's the same old talk from people who play with gamepads and can't accept that AA is cheating and a significant help. The argument that casual gamers need this kind of help because they don't have much time to play because they work is ridiculous.

I forgot one more thing: let's reduce the spread on all weapons... F*** it, let's make the game completely automatic. Characters run and shoot, the entire game is automatic, and you just click what the character should wear. Fu** it. I'm reading this and I can't believe how people are ruining games...

[native wind]

These are my aim stats for full aim assist (main account) and 0 % aim assist (alt account), respectively. Same console (Xbox Series X), same controller (Elite 2), the main difference being that on the alt account I use cheap weapons like the white M4 with only drum mag attachment while on the main account I have access to all the older battle pass meta weapons like M4 Enforcer.

Alt account used to be top 1 % in both aim accuracy and headshots too but went downwards because of deathmatch for some reason. Higher damage on alt account is also due to playing much more deathmatch compared to main account.

[ivory prism]

Sweet, aim assist doesn't help. Let's get rid of it so people can be happy

[native wind]

Clearly that is not what my stats are showing. However, my take is that aim assist helps signficantly less for controller players who can already aim without it. It lowers the skill ceiling among controller players just as it does against mouse and keyboard.

[ivory prism]

You're saying you can have just as good of aim without AA if you're just good at aiming?

[native wind]

There is clearly a difference, and it’s not [completely] apples to apples. You’re reaching. I also have 8 years practice with a console controller game without aim-assist. And I don’t cheat unlike a large chunk of the top players for that game.

Here are deathmatch vs deathmatch stats, which is much more apples to apples (except for old meta vs dirt cheap weapons). Again, I don’t know why deathmatch drags down my aim stats, but it’s better for accurate comparison.

As you can very clearly see there is a significant advantage with having aim-assist but it’s not as big as one would think (for me).

However, I hypothesize that the advantage is significantly more pronounced for players who don’t have a lot of experience playing without aim-assist.

[native wind]

Anyway, looking at my stats, no-one in their right mind should think that an "extra 10 % rotational aim-assist" is an advantage for me compared to having steady 100-150 fps ++ throughout the game session versus maxing out at 70-80 fps with dips below 30-40 fps in crowded fights. No-one in their right mind.

[ivory prism]

It seems to me like people don't need aim assist and they'd be better off if it had never been implemented for controller players. Also, I don't know how much more frames will help people's aim on PC. It seems almost irrelevant.

I guess the way to tell who has the advantage would be to look at how many players play with a controller vs MnK - then see if one group is more represneted in the leader boards or in accuracy stats

[tribal kestrel]

Naah, run data against similar ability players gathered from large data set and compare how 1 vs 1:n end. Mnk prob wins most.

[native wind]

You’re going against 20 ++ years of accumulated consenus in online gaming without a single source or argument. Then present like a blank slate as if we should start making observations from scratch.

You’re a troll feigning stupidity and arguing in bad faith, quite simply.

I think the conclusion from all of this debate is sadly that we are up against a highly toxic and destructive playerbase that would gladly let this game crash and burn if they can get their laughs and promote their petty, self-serving agenda.

[ivory prism]

I'm not arguing in bad faith. I want to get closer to the truth. This player says he has almost the same accuracy stats whether he has aim assist or not. This seems meaningful. What's wrong with him showing that?

[native wind]

"This player" .. Who?

I’m going to let you briefly convince me that you truly are not trolling before I block you.

I’m not listening to your Duplo sized pseudo-logic based on false conclusions ("if a console player does somewhat well without aim-assist then all console players don’t need aim-assist") and over-generalization ("all console players are the same") for another second.

[ivory prism]

Oh, it's your stats from before. Please tell me how you want me to interpret your stats. I'm not sure why you're upset - you were saying you have almost the same accuracy stats whether you're using AA or not, specifying you also used more accurate guns for your aim assisted stats which could also explain some of the slight differences.

[native wind]

(1) That’s not what I said, and even if it were the case (2) your conclusion would not be the only valid, relevant or possible one.

(1) The stats are different. Clearly different. Even if aim-assist on and off were both top 1 % at one point there is such a thing as (a) decimals and there is such a thing as (b) the top 1 % covering a large range of accuracy and headshot percentages.

(2) The implication could still be (a) that while I personally need aim-assist less than others, there are still a lot of players who, and (b) importantly, there is nothing substantial for me as a high-accuracy players that compensates for the massive framerate advantage high end PCs have over consoles. At least for me personally and other players like me framerate represents a much bigger advantage than the slight difference in aim-assist strength between PC and console.

[ivory prism]

I see, thanks.

1. They're different, but the magnitude is relative: you have 33.6% accuracy overall and 30.1 headshot accuracy with AA and 31.5% and 26.9% accuracy without AA.
   You also mention you use some worse weapons with your non-AA account.
   Some people think the difference is a lot, some a little. I know how decimals work, by the way, but thank you.
   Being in the top 1% without using AA shows people can still compete at a high level without using AA, even if it may be a little less accurate than also having AA.
2. You said you've been working on your aim for eight years and now don't need much help from AA. Could this mean that many people could get better aim by not using the crutch of AA?
   If someone doesn't have great aim anyway, I don't know how having more frames would help them. I would think having the game auto-correct for you would be a bigger advantage.
   Also, not everyone that plays on PC is using high-end gear. Many people have normal PCs and use TVs as monitors. If you use a MnK, you wouldn't have a higher framerate or aim assist.
   Again, I don't know how much higher framerate helps for aiming, unless you already have great aim.

[native wind]

Apples to apples comparison, deathmatch vs deathmatch, shows that I net ~2000 more damage per deathmatch. 2000 / 300 ≈ 6.7. That’s an average of 6.7 more kills per match, which could easily make the difference between #1 placement and mediocre placement. That’s how the seemingly only slight differences in headshot and general accuracy actually play out practically.

More bold sprays can also be pulled off with aim-assist while sometimes holding fire without aim-assist, which will not show up in stats as better accuracy for AA.

[ivory prism]

I'm not trying to argue with you I really am trying to just figure it out, because it's interesting. Thanks for being reasonable.

It's a complicated thing

[native wind]

No, we are good now. I find you are reasonable too. Maybe I misjudged you.

Did I actually say "I don’t need much help from AA"? I don’t feel those are my words and that’s not accurate compared to what I mean.

I don’t want AA padding to be how we make forced crossplay work. I want forced crossplay to be disbanded and made voluntary.

I was able to practice playing on controller without aim-assist for years because of a game without PC crossplay, and therefore without aim-assist, yes.

[native wind]

Small clarification: 2000 damage translates to 6.7 kills per match only if the enemy player is never able to heal from taking partial damage. But it’s still illustrative. The number of kills per match is very likely lower, though.

[ivory prism]

Cool, no issue from me. That would be great to have separate games for the different types of hardware. Would you be down with PC and console, or separate them by input?
That's a good point, more damage doesn't necessarily mean more kills.
I think many people assume a controller can't even compete against MnK but you have great aim even without it, so it's possible. Though separating the two would make things easy - you play with people using the same hardware.

[gritty thorn]

What AA cause I’m on console and ever since the update my aim went to 💩

[manic remnant]

Do you play on a TV or Monitor?

[gritty thorn]

Monitor

[manic remnant]

What's the response time? Plus I just re read your last message, for some reason after every update, sensitivity settings seem to get messed up for everybody, so I would recommend playing around with those. Mine felt really bad after this last update too

[gritty thorn]

Ive been working on it, still not where it was but its getting there just gotta keep messing around but its frustrating to say the least

[quick plume]

If you have removed Hit Markers from the UI, i would recommend turning them back on to at least a 2/3rds visibility. I think without them makes you think you aren't hitting your shots but you actually are.

[gritty thorn]

I didn’t touch it I think it’s just the sensitivity

[fallow aurora]

Question on aa. If they got rid of aa all togerherr would cheats stil be able to use cronus. Or whatever.

[quick plume]

Yeah, if anything it would be more useful to use it as the games AA is fairly high in coparison to other games.

[fallow aurora]

Well I mean I was thinking of ways to fix cheaters.

[quick plume]

They need to just have a better AC system.

[fallow aurora]

If they delete aa then cronus couldn't or wouldn't have anything to use in gane. Nit sure how cronus works tbh

[quick plume]

Its used for recoil and key bindings but I've only seen it used in FPS not TPS.

Less recoil regardless of AA being on or off would still give them more advantage.

[fallow aurora]

So what about these aim bots that seem to get nothing but head shots. Is that cronus as well

[ornate acorn]

Cronus is used in any shooter game, fps and tps

[fallow aurora]

Well there went that idea.

[tribal kestrel]

PC hacks.

[native wind]

I noticed my response curve was suddenly set to Dynamic without me remembering having changed that setting since I configured it. Might be worth checking.

[manic remnant]

Did you have it set to reverse S before?

[native wind]

No, definitely not.

[gritty thorn]

It was changed, and I put it back and that helped so great advice!

[hardy helm]

Bump 🥸

[jovial stone]

🔨

[gloomy atlas]

We want the AA to be at 80%, I can’t play 😢😢

[hardy helm]

https://tenor.com/view/falling-down-michael-douglas-gun-aim-gif-14594417

[native wind]

You made partly very reasonable statements earlier. Now you are mixing them in with hyperbolic, sarcastic, exaggerated statements. That’s potentially quite manipulative.

[gloomy atlas]

I’m joking my friend

[lyric harbor]

Buff auto aim, I mean aim assist

[native wind]

Ok, but here in the following linked comment you are being serious? Just making sure I understand you correctly. #1389095500497551422 message

[gloomy atlas]

YES

[fervent osprey]

The fact you have to explain your self with pc being far superior is wild, it literally goes with out saying pc is smoother and better in everyway, I don’t understand why this is even a discussion honestly

[boreal skiff]

does AA work for PC too if you are using a controller?

[ornate acorn]

you can say the same with nearly every game

[fervent osprey]

Agreeded, but this game is far worse with the difference between the two, but it’s also not been out as long

[native wind]

How is this making a point or an argument, and for what? If anything it’s an acknowledgement that forced crossplay is BS for FPS games in general. Which it is.

[native wind]

Yep, yet a lot of PC players are really worked up about console having a tiny 10 % extra rotational aim-assist (50 % on PC, 60 % on console) while denying or ignoring the massive framerate and response time advantage PC has over console.

These are people who have zero principle, only self-interest.

[ornate acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[tame relic]

Explain how cross play fixes broken aim assist?

[ivory prism]

I think what people are saying is - it doesn't matter how sweet your PC setup is if console players get the game partially played for them through AA

[tame relic]

No AA is fine

Its just curently too strong, the balance between it being just right and to much in OTG is really small

And things like recoil reduction make it OP so as guns and recoil and even movement tbh are changed AA needs slight tweaks up and down to ensure balanve is kept right

[native wind]

If players can choose whether to match with players across pc and console then there is no need to use AA for padding the framerate and response time advantage that PC has over console.

AA will only be needed to balance controller vs MnK within a platform. Instead of using AA to try to balance console controller against PC mnk, resulting in a big increase in AA to try and offset multiple disadvantages at once.

The current meta setup is probably PC + controller followed by PC + mnk, followed by console controller.

[tame relic]

The current meta is defiantly not that.

YOur assumption is that AA needs to be set and forgot, it just needs to be tuned as meta changes for balance.

[native wind]

I’m talking about meta setup as in which hardware setup is meta. I’m not talking about guns meta.

[tame relic]

Ah OK

I would agree with th at

But the PS5 guys dont really seem to struggle generally either

Pointy end of the leader board different story, 99% of players I can tell you if their on controller or not but not what platform

[native wind]

Maybe, I don’t know. Either way PC (Epic) is massively over-represented on leadboards compared to size of playerbase.

[tame relic]

This will always be true, but correlation isn't causation, so its not the hardware that puts them there
I would bet decent money that if you remove the leaderboard outliers its 50/50 the top 100 would be close to 50/50 even if the top 10 is not

Donalsky and Dxwso and a few other console demons are your example here, they will and do beat easily 99% of PC players from a PS5

[native wind]

The "outliers" you talking about are in almost every lobby stomping on other players. Just saying.

Anyway, PC-console crossplay was supposed to be a feature once upon a time, a way of letting friends play together across different platforms.

Now it’s become a way to ruin the online multiplayer experience on console.

[tribal kestrel]

Yeah, and I will choose my games on ability to play with Crossplay off when I want. Like Delta Force, BF6 and Arc Raiders does.

PC controlller is easy mode compared to console.

[native wind]

Just tried Delta Force on Xbox. Had to go in the console settings to turn off crossplay, which isolates the game from crossplay with Playstation, not just PC. It also turns off PS-Xbox crossplay in games like PUBG Console.

Of course in OTG nothing happens at all, probably in violation of Xbox terms of service.

Had a couple of enjoyable extraction matches in Delta Force, though. Looks like Xbox players have been turning off crossplay in numbers.

[dry walrus]

Of course. Me and all my friends always turn off crossplay unless we want to play with a pc friend.

When they forced crossplay on us they said we would be able to turn it off again in the NEAR future.
What the hell does that mean?
Same with OTG pro Weekly Tournaments coming soon.
This was one of my main reasons to pay for pro back in October.
Still nothing.
I really like the game but this forced crossplay is freaking annoying.

I want to compete with console players only. I was so happy when it was only xbox and ps5 because this is the fairest competition in my opinion

[strong dragon]

Maybe we can have a real discussion on a tiny bit of Aim Assist once the 500 headshots with 100% accuracy on autofire weapons from aimbot PC users is removed.

[grand canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

[woeful flume]

Yeah, that's totally true. I play on both console and PC too, and since I'm not that great of a player, I get waaaay better results on PS5 with AA than on PC with like, 100-150 fps and huge mouse pad that's never big enough.

And yes, 100% I don't want to play against console players when on my PC because it doesn't seem fair at all.

It does when I'm on my PS5 😂

But yeah, enough of moaning and crying on both ends, I just want that crossplay dead as soon as possible, let me choose dammit

[woeful flume]

Lol, PS5 users use Cronus all the same, it's not for PC only

[strong dragon]

Did not know that!
Thanks for the heads up 👍🖖
Ban hammer for everyone cheating. Death is too good for them.

[tame relic]

Fax, but keep cross play and jsut make the game balanced

[woeful flume]

I do have to get better, that's for sure

[strong dragon]

That's the way of it, play and get better.

[native wind]

This is nonsensical, sorry. Plug your Playstation controller into your PC to experience the current hardware meta.

[ornate acorn]

nerf AA

[native wind]

On PC, sure.

On console, sure, but let’s remove forced crossplay first, and make it opt-in or mnk only for console.

Just stop forcing people into unfair matchups and expect them to enjoy it. Shouldn’t even be a discussion.

[gloomy atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-7433931244412524776

[native wind]

Then find out what caused and is still causing the PC playerbase to implode on itself. Instead of treating the symptom by ruining the game for what was added together probably hundreds of thousands of console players who tried and left the game permanently at different points.

Never has a game with so much potential been running itself so consistently into the ground for so long, and forced PC-console crossplay is at the heart of it.

People wouldn’t even care about the lack of mainnet for console if it wasn’t so blatantly shoved in their faces that it’s only for the special, citizen first class PC players.

[ornate acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-laughing-rage-bait-gif-8366393814504091925

[tame relic]

Why not make it balanced and there is no unfair match ups?

Why can Apex Legends manage cross play

[dry walrus]

Because it will never feel balanced 100% for everyone.
If you want it balanced and fair for everyone why not asking to cap graphics and fps on series s level as well?
If they keep reducing it, people will ask again for RR and movement nerfs i bet.
Just let people turn off crossplay again

[tame relic]

Yeah maybe, I dont feel like it does need to be 100% for everyone
If I get my arse beamed at close range and I deserve it and its not because of broken mechanics thats cool (its not wildly far from this now imo but does need a tweak)
Same if a controller guy gets sniped with some really good snipes at 80+ meters then thats cool too both should have advantages but there needs to be balance with that in mind

Castrate anyone asking for RR nerf's

Going that way make the game better and better I would think

[native wind]

Sure. I hope you really enjoy the ragebaiting you successfully executed when this game is dead and buried.

Also, that guy does not look healthy and is not a good role model for you.

[ornate acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-rage-bait-baited-rage-baited-angry-dog-gif-2047466162835898859

[native wind]

Keep hiding behind gifs and emojis because of your obvious inability to argue your case.

[native wind]

I’ll answer this very clearly: With forced crossplay aim-assist alone is used to compensate for two imbalances at once:

1. Imbalance between controller and mouse and keyboard, which is the original purpose. It’s also a lesser, minor (although significant) imbalance compared to,

2. The inherent response time and framerate advantages for high-end PCs compared to consoles.

This is a bigger, major imbalance and AA was never originally intended or suited to counter-balance it in the first place except for very specific circumstances.

That’s how we have ended up with PC + controller being the hardware meta, while PC players are complaining about the tiny, insignificant AA advantage afforded to console.

[ornate acorn]

Why're you so serious 😭

[tame relic]

Why are you so firmly entrenched in your belief that your correct?

You have no real data at all.
You dont know that every PC player has more frames than every Console player (Most PC guys in OTC get less than 100 frames)
You cant even prove that on the whole any extra frames the average PC player may have provides any benefit at all over the average console player.
But it can be proven that AA in its current state is a much larger advantage on the whole.

And you go on to prove yourself wrong anyway.
If AA was never intended to balance out frame rate then using it to compensate for mechanics that are not yet optimised, or at least screaming into the void that it should, makes no sence.

Once recoil and movement is optimised keeping AA where it is is ludicrous and the cross play argument also makes no sense.
The intent of having feedback (which is a 2nd order effect anyway) is so that the dev's can continually work towards optimising what they have built.

[native wind]

Widely different hardware setups is a PC problem brought to consoles through PC crossplay. It’s not "solved" by console owners accepting that they bought inferior hardware and "upgrading" to PCs. It is solved by stepping the f*ck back and recognizing that you are unfairly imposing a problem on console owners that is inherent to PC gaming, not console. We’ve been through this.

High end PCs do have an indisputable framerate and response time advantage even if the game remains unoptimized on PC, voiding most of your argument here.

You just agreed a couple of days ago to PC + controller being the current hardware meta, anyway. Why are you even making this case if you do?

Devs aren’t listening to feedback from console players. The #1 request from console players by a wide margin has been to remove forced crossplay ever since it was implemented and it’s either ignored, posts are deleted or the promises made are not delivered on. It may also be too late to save the game by removing it.

I’ve posted detailed stats on my own two accounts, one with 0 % AA and one with full aim-assist. All else equal except for weapon quality. That’s more data than any of you have posted, and it amounts to a moderate advantage for the latter. Not the incredible advantage you are claiming.

Granted, I may be an atypical console/controller player, but still.

[native wind]

Here’s where you are agreeing to pc + controller being the current hardware meta, btw.

[tame relic]

LOOOOOOOL

Bro you really need to get some sun, your wrong mate

[native wind]

Making a BS comment full of straw men, misrepresentation and just incomprehensible nonsense, and then folding when you get the reply. What a joke.

[ornate acorn]

it's okay some people are stubborn to their own beliefs without experiencing both sides of the argument. arguing with someone like that is like talking to a wall, just a waste of time lol.

[tame relic]

Your stats a meaningless, they dont represent a wide enough player base at all. infact none of the stats you point to do, you have done no data science at all.
I never said to upgrade from console, I said that most PC players in OTG dont get a frame rate advantage over console, go and do some reasearch on the top 100 leader board and remove the top 10.
So you know 3 of the players from my clan are 1,2 and 4 on the leaderboard, 1 on PS5 2 on PC none of them get more than 100fps all 3 agree AA is too strong.

You dont have enough hours in OTG to make the arguments your making, reduction of AA should come after a reduction in recoil or a nerf in movement.
To state otherwise is politics with the intent to gain advantage for yourself rather than improve and optimise for all.

[tame relic]

yeah, like wrestling a pig in the mud, after a while you realise their just enjoying it

[native wind]

You have been responding with emojis and gifs to most of my arguments. You have no say in "experiencing both sides of the argument". You’ve barely made any.

[ornate acorn]

true lmao

tbh blocking does the trick for me most of the time. makes it where I can't see the notifications of them replying to me

[ornate acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

I have a say since I've experienced both. but I choose not to argue with someone who doesn't know how to learn

[tame relic]

Its wild

[native wind]

You’re a complete clown who hasnt made a single compelling argument anywhere.

[tame relic]

Send me the 2 profiles you used for stats let me see

[ornate acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[native wind]

They’re in the history of this very thread. You know, the one you should have been reading up on this whole time.

[tame relic]

I saw the history I want to look at it game by game and by weapon in tracker

[native wind]

Not to an intellectually dishonest bully like you.

[tame relic]

Eh?

Not trying to hide something are you?

[native wind]

No, what would that be? Not looking to misrepresent anything several times like you did in your last long comment, do you?

Also, your tone is demanding and attempting to appear dominant. "Do this", "send this". Sit down.

[tame relic]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[ornate acorn]

are you AI?

[woeful flume]

Most of PC players can't afford a good GPU, therefore playing on low graphics below 60 fps. Consoles are having killing graphics at 60 fps, so you're 100% wrong there

Controller on a PC, that's just stupid, get a console for that. And yeah, I just spill my mind I don't care what anyone will say

[woeful flume]

Reduction of aa should come now. Yesterday. First. Immediately.

[native wind]

If you’re just spilling your mind and "don’t care what others say" maybe don’t respond specifically to my comments?

[woeful flume]

On another note, I really like OTG and at least the game is not gay and overly inclusive and woke, for now at least. Have a good morning boys and girls and don't get triggered so easy, you're not weak.

[native wind]

I don’t care. Console players for the most part don’t care. High end PCs are used by most of the streamers and top players who are stomping on other players again and again in lobbies. Fps is as high as 300 fps ++ from what I’ve seen. It’s a major advantage that cannot be matched by consoles in any way.

You and others who make this argument come off as wanting to downplay the advantage that high end PCs have or the extent to which high end PCs are used by top players. Sorry, I don’t buy it.

[native wind]

This sounds kind of passive-aggressive and like you’re banking on plausible deniability.

[native wind]

Sure, agree, let’s just remove forced crossplay first.

[woeful flume]

You don't have to buy it.

[woeful flume]

Agree, now add me in OTG and let's team up ⚔️😎

[tame relic]

Thats right

[woeful flume]

Well, seems like we all have good points right? Hope Vlad and Theo are reading these

[native wind]

Yeah, apropos, could this #1389095500497551422 message be a major reason that the PC playerbase has been leaving the game since the start?

PC players have been mentioning poor optimization as a major reason consistently, but not specifically mentioning anything about low- and mid-end PC owners being outplayed by high end PC owners who have enough power to brute force through the poor optimization.

These PC players are left in a state similiar to console players when matched against high end PCs.

[woeful flume]

Could be, yes, simple really

I tried onboarding my friends to the game, none stayed, all PC players btw

[native wind]

I can confirm that PC optimization is terrible, although I tried with laptop + egpu where the cpu is very obviously a bottleneck.

Of course these low- and mid-end PC players would want to hold onto the console playerbase so that they can have a bigger pool of fair or slightly advantageous match-ups.

Thing is just that console players are completely fed up with PC crossplay across all or most online competitive shooters. This game unlike every single other game goes one step further and even by-passes console system privacy settings on Xbox, and I’m pretty sure also Playstation.

[tribal kestrel]

You got the stats man!

[woeful flume]

This.

[ornate acorn]

they think otherwise because the people who stream this game have higher end PCs. but they don't know average PC players get around 70-100 fps and some get below 50 too.

[woeful flume]

If you're talking about my game stats, they suck hairy old balls, but it's getting better 🤣

[tribal kestrel]

The reason why majority of players are leaving was that devs listened to few top clans idea of a good game. The good game idea was God game where one good player could stomp practically whole lobby and go 50-0. That was also when controller settings and AA was shite.

They had the data and tweaked so that the game doesn’t become so cheese for certain players but at the same they needed to nerf movement that we all so were drawn to.

This is a never ending discussion. 😅

[tribal kestrel]

Nah, talking about you talking PC stats.

[woeful flume]

Unfortunately. And Indeed neverending, yes,

[woeful flume]

Ah yeah, that

[woeful flume]

This about top clans is 100% correct

[ornate acorn]

very not true. they listened to only casual players. you think we wanted 60% AA? the main thing we've been begging for is ranked and custom lobbies so we STAY AWAY from casuals and new players.

we don't want to play against casuals or new players

we want equal competition

[woeful flume]

That would be a solution to the problem

The words of the day are: RANKED and KILL CROSSPLAY

[ornate acorn]

agreed. yet they fail to fix this match making problem. even tho they said it would be November 2024 when it comes. didnt happen ofc.

[native wind]

People who stream this game and are also stomping on every other lobby 24/7.

The "only a minority of PC players have this insane fps/response time advantage" argument is mute nonsense, especially to the console playerbase to whom that is, again, a distinctly PC problem, brought to console exclusively through PC crossplay.

[tribal kestrel]

Of course they did, they wanted to retain the elite players first but made a huge mistake.

Don’t you remember the times?

[woeful flume]

But I think the problem lies in the overall number of players. I play with the same people so often, and I also get killed by the same people so often too. It only tells me there are not enough players to do ranked or disable crossplay, in spite of reading about some hundreds of thousands of players, which is bull**it IMO

[ornate acorn]

you think we want to stomp players 24/7? this is Gunzillas issue. they won't give us ranked so that we play against similar competition. also I know PLENTY of people who are top players on PS5 and Xbox. hell, half of Merc are on consoles because of this now.

[tribal kestrel]

Sadly yes. Makes me wonder that are bots counted as players.

[woeful flume]

I see this, yes

[ornate acorn]

the times where the game was popping off yeah lol. then dedication to making everything easy to kill for casuals so that they can kill top players. but the top players ended up using them and just obliterating the lobbies. Gunzillas fault on that again. All they needed to do was separate the lobbies by giving ranked but no, instead they make everything unbalanced and make everyone leave the game.

[tribal kestrel]

Agree 💯

[ornate acorn]

yeah I'd take steam charts with a grain of salt

[dry walrus]

This. Me and also my friends are completely fed up that we are still forced to fight vs PC.
We rather would wait few more minutes in the lobby or fight bots tbh.
Game was running strong (i mean the playerbase) when it was just ps5 and xbox although the optimization was horrible.
Then PC joined because they struggled with their playerbase and now i see the same names on every server everyday most of the time.
Says everything imo

Forced crossplay, those daily tournaments and that horrible optimization at the beginning made so many people leave

[ornate acorn]

The very best thing Gunzilla could do right now is decrease AA across all platforms (40% console/30% PC) all while giving us ranked. casuals won't have to play against the sweats that use AA to their advantage and everyone in ranked will fight their equal or similar competition.

It truly is and has been a simple solution but they still have yet to do this.

[woeful flume]

And are there ways to detect that Cronus Zen sh*t? To ban these monkeys too.

[ornate acorn]

I agree a bit with this as well. They literally could have had tourneys in a separate lobby dedicated to tourneys but just chose not to.

[ornate acorn]

there are but the anti cheat is very expensive I believe. not even COD uses it. I think apex has it right now. idk AB other games.

[amber summit]

Lmao if apex has it it does a shite job antirecoil hell

[ornate acorn]

I think they're thinking about implementing it then. I just remember hearing about it and apex using it. guess they don't right now lol

[dry walrus]

I said this so many times. I know plenty of people who refused to play when the tournaments were running.
Then they changed the times when they were running (which i understand so that people from different regions also had a chance) but this made poeple also to constantly check if the time is ok for them to have some more chilled games.
The few i added between October and this summer all left and went back to others games

[native wind]

I don’t know if anyone remembers, but the hype for this game on console the one or two weeks before crossplay was forced, was insane!

Console streamers loving the game, friends thanking me for bugging them tirelessly to install and check out the game!

The hype was incredible!

[tribal kestrel]

Running tournaments in normal servers with not locking regions or a at least real player counts was cordially stupid. They make so many mistakes, like excited children running around. Oh well still like the game but getting boring.

[tame relic]

The number 1 player on the leaderboard has less FPS than you champ

[misty cedar]

Is it you?
https://tracker.gg/off-the-grid/profile/psn/Craszitt/overview?gamemode=death-match-unos

[native wind]

Sorry, wrong message.
—
Tameless? Then why would he change platforms from Xbox to PC?

[native wind]

Tameless? Then why would he change platforms from Xbox to PC?

[misty cedar]

How do your stats match your arguments? 😀

[misty cedar]

Am I Tameless? Why asking me? AA is ridiculous on any platform. No matter where you play

[native wind]

Did you miss the first part, where I clearly write, "Sorry, wrong message."?

[dry walrus]

Which arguments? That im fed up playing vs pc or something else?

I want fair fights. In all games i play i turn crossplay off and if i know i can't turn it off in a game, i dont buy it/play it.

Now at the beginning when i started playing it was turned off. Then they added xbox which was perfectly fine for me.
When PC joined, it felt that console playerbase took a big hit and they said we will be able to turn it off soon (near future) again.

Console vs console is the fairest thing imo hardware wise and i want those fights.

And my stats here mean nothing.
The 2 friends i play with dont like going all out the whole time so very often we look for more easy servers.
This and that bot kills are counting are making stats irrelevant for me.

[amber summit]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gif-19427527

[native wind]

Great that someone says this.

Not only bots, but whether you are in a clan or with a steady team vs solo-queuing makes a major difference.

I mostly solo-queue into trio lobbies now because most of the people I played with have left the game and/or are in a different region. "Looking for group" posts on xbox are 99 % NA.

I make new friends from meeting randoms on EU all the time but logging in they are not online, not playing.

EU is also one of the hardest servers, with a top team dominating almost every lobby (particularly FLAW) and completely absent/non-working SBMM.

I was invited to a known clan while playing as a random/solo-queuing in-game. I won’t name it but I left it immediately when I read that it was associated with cheating or practices closely related to cheating.

I enjoy playing deathmatch the most these days. Loadout ladder is alright but it gets old more quickly.

[amber summit]

Lmao you can say STAR it’s ok

[tame relic]

Hes not #1 on the career leaderboard, you dont play OTG so you wouldnt notice

[tame relic]

Ive played Craszit and his boys few times they arent drones, hes not fool.
I still dont think hes right tho haha

[misty cedar]

MNK players can also say they’re fed up playing against controller players, because the PC playerbase is tiny compared to console. But for a controller player to complain about facing PC players doesn’t really make sense.

Just look at the numbers(see pictures): the game on pc is super dry right now, new BP item mints on mainnet are at record lows, and most of the top PC players barely touch the game anymore (check the top 200 — many log in once a month at best). In reality, 99% of your lobbies have way more controller players than PC ones. And even when you think you’re against MNK, most of those players are actually using controller under the hood — because controller with AA is the meta.

This thread is about reducing ridiculous aim assist. It elevates an low skill controller player to the level of an average PC player, which clearly skews balance. Crossplay toggles or input-based matchmaking would be ideal, but let’s be real — they’re not coming anytime soon. Until then, reducing AA is the only way to keep things fair.

Also, there are players who swap between inputs, and even they admit AA is broken. That alone should tell you something.

Now about your stats: you absolutely destroy decent MNK players with ease.** Look at your damage-per-minute in deathmatch**, compare it with other controller players, and then compare it again with the top MNK players. You’ll see your DPM is much higher than theirs. **You’re in the top 0.001% of the playerbase by that metric. **That’s exactly why people call controller players “auto-turrets.” Any PC player outside the top 1% gets demolished by you guys.

So again, I don’t get your point. The only thing we agree on is input-based matchmaking — but it’s just a dream for now.

[misty cedar]

**Just show me at least 5 MNK players from the top 100 or 200 who played equal or more matches of deathmatch and have a higher DPM than you. They simply don’t exist, dude 💢 💢 💢 **What are we talking about? The only players with higher DPM than you are controller players, with absurd stats like 4500+ damage per minute.

Read that again: in the top 200, maybe one or two MNK players have a higher DPM than you — the rest are controller players abusing broken AA. That’s the reality.

Don’t waste my time — do not reply with any argument that doesn’t include actual data

[native wind]

How am I supposed to know which leaderboard you meant, you dunce? You yourself kept talking about tracker.gg stats and how much more relevant they are just hours ago.

Question still relevant. Why did Tameless switch from xbox to playing on PC, both with controller?

ROG29NxA, so where can I see footage from him playing?

[native wind]

Alright, I just checked out [HEXA] ROG29NxA’s Youtube channel (ROG29NxA), #1 on the Career Leaderboard.

Just looking at a 3 hour long video where he is playing the game at around 200 fps on average. Game plays characteristically nothing like the console version with what appears to be insane movement flexibility, quickness and response time.

Do you think I have steady > 200 fps with Series X? 😂

I have maybe 70-80 fps in empty areas a and tipping down to 30-40 fps with clear frame lag in major fights with a lot going on. During crowded deathmatches the cpu will sometimes literally start throttling or something after a while, making the game stutter for prolonged periods. The game will play more stable by capping it at 60 fps.

Maybe get your facts straight here?

[tame relic]

Bro you dont even play OTG

[native wind]

Explain why you are straight up lying to everyone here about the framerate of the #1 player on the leaderboard.

[tame relic]

Explain why you have 18hrs of OTG and 1800hrs in this thread

[native wind]

Answer the question. Stop deflecting.

youtube dot com /live/ Zdlxn1tL_KQ?si=sDFhEI1vjRQPVabo Here is the link to the gameplay. Everyone check it out.

[tame relic]

I'm not deflecting you fool
My point stands, the guys on the leaderboard dont get better performance than you are

neither do I

You will have to be a patient little boy and wait for my responces, coz I actually am playing they might be a bit slow

But your right his movment is god tier

[native wind]

Then why do you claim that a guy with 200 fps on PC has fewer frames than console?

[tame relic]

He doesnt get 200fps, he might with motion boost

[native wind]

Moving goal posts. You’ve been proven wrong. End of story.

[tame relic]

LMAOOO

[tame relic]

Rog is playing from the slums of Myanmar, hes #1 from dedication has nothing to do with his equipment

[native wind]

You’re lying about his framerate, though. Also his upload to youtube is 1440p 60 fps. That’s a high quality game capture right there.

[dry walrus]

If you read my previous messages you will see here and in other threads that i often said that i understand that mnk players are complaining.

I dont want to fight vs pc at all. Doesn't matter if controller or mnk.
My stats dont matter at all.
I dont care about kd in Deathmatch. I've met plenty of better players than me there but i still beat them very often because they care more for their kd then winning.
While they run away to recover, i kill standing bots and jump on people nonstop.

Most players i struggle with, are all on pc. If they use mnk, controller, wiimote, cheat or are just better, i dont know and dont care-i want crossplay off.

I just want to play with and against console players.

If they keep lowering AA, average console player will struggle hard to hit shots and leave, this is my opinion and i already see it happen with the friends i play and played.

For me personally.. Buff it or nerf it, i don't care so long i can turn crossplay off and get my fair 40fps fights

[misty cedar]

Man, I already asked you not to waste my time, but you keep doing it.

How can you say statistics don’t matter? I’m not talking about KD — I’m talking about damage per minute numbers ( DPS) and other measurable stats. First time I hear someone dismissing numbers like that. Statistics are the foundation for analyzing gameplay and making balance changes.

Your auto-turret-level DPS puts you and other AA users in the top 0.0001% of the playerbase. And yet, you still haven’t answered my question about that.

You’re not the only one who doesn’t care about KD in deathmatch. The majority of players are focused on winning, often sacrificing KD because of leaderboard reward systems.

About average console players and FPS: AA gives controller users a 1–2 tier advantage over PC players, which is far more impactful than FPS alone. This is clearly reflected in damage statistics for all AA users, including yourself.

I don’t understand how you struggle against PC players when, according to your deathmatch stats, you lost 7 times to PC players and 17 times to console players 😀 😀 😀 I don’t know how many of those 7 PC players were using AA, but the numbers speak for themselves.

Like you, I don’t want to face auto-turrets every game. You guys can enjoy input-based matchmaking and beam each other with broken AA

[dry walrus]

If you waste your time or not is only up to you. Im not forcing you to read or reply.

I dont even check my stats but thanks for letting me know mine.
If i lost 7 times vs pc and 17 vs console with the current playerbase.. Yes, then i struggle more vs certain pc players and i focus way more on trios. Deathmatch i only play when my friends aren't online

If i get "beamed" doesn't bother me at all and this beaming conversations are completely nonsense imo.
I dont get beamed by noobs a lot, it rarely happens.

I also asked for input crossplay in the past but since steam lunched i only want to fight consoles again but because it would help mnk users, im down for it after some more fps optimizations.

[native wind]

1. This game has broken AA literally because devs are trying to correct two imbalances at once: FPS/response time advantage for gaming PCs and controller vs mnk at the same time.

That’s how we ended up with insane alm-assist on PC combined with its framerate advantages, because devs are initially balancing console controller against pc mnk, then foolishly have controller on pc lockstep mostly with console AA. Partly due to egotistical PC players campaigning for "equal" aim-assist as if anything else is equal between PC and console.

2. If this game gets input-based matchmaking instead of voluntary crossplay then it’s completely dead to me, and I bet a lot of other remaining console players here. Nobody on console has ever expressed wanting that as far as I can remember. That’s some PC player wishlist BS.

[dry walrus]

Trios is unplayable for me solo. Big respect to anyone going against teams of 3!

Im very strict when it comes to cheating like you.
If a friend would add a cheater, i would delete him. I would even delete my kids if they cheat, not joking.

[tame relic]

Dude you have like 5hrs of play time, why do you even care

[dry walrus]

Maybe more than one account, who knows.
And thx for your nice words earlier!
HEXA is the only bigger clan i respect tbh.
First, because HEXA kept reviving my son when he was playing and had no clue what to do 😅
Second, because when i used a different account and ended up in a team with a HEXA player and he spotted his clanmates he attacked them straight away.

Always good fights 👍

[native wind]

Level 314 on my main account. Level 117 on my 0 % AA alt account.

All that in five hours, wow.

[tame relic]

Their good lads no doubt, birds of a feather in HEXA corp.
likewise mate always enjoy fighting you, nomad, brookania I think Dxwso and CantSleep ran into you lads after you wiped me and had just as much fun lol

[tame relic]

Believe it when I see it

[dry walrus]

Think so 😅. One round we got executed, another round you guys.
I always check after i killed one if he uses the Solana vulture because i dont have it (almost 40k on ps5) and i know some HEXA have it 😅.
Cant tell how many times i died because i was looking on the ground for that weapon.
See you later maybe 👍
Gg

[tame relic]

Rog and CantSleep both rolling with it yeah, Dxwso running controller M4
Dont think the other boys have 1

Gg's mate

[misty cedar]

Man, you’re still dodging the actual argument.

Saying “you don’t check your stats” doesn’t change reality. Whether you look at them or not, the data is there — and it shows controller players with AA consistently putting up way higher DPS than MNK players. Ignoring stats doesn’t erase them.

You also admit you lost more matches to console players than PC players, yet somehow claim you “struggle more vs PC.” That doesn’t add up. If you truly struggled more vs PC, the numbers would reflect that — but they don’t.

As for deathmatch “not mattering,” that’s irrelevant. Balance is measured by performance across modes, and deathmatch is actually one of the best ways to highlight DPS differences since it removes external factors like team play.

Calling the “beaming conversation nonsense” is just opinion. Where’s your data?** The numbers show controller players are outputting absurd damage per minute, often outperforming top MNK players.** That’s the entire point — and you still haven’t addressed it.

And about input crossplay: sure, we both agree that would be best. But until it happens, AA is inflating controller performance to broken levels. That’s why stats and data matter. Without them, it’s just feelings vs facts.

So again: don’t reply with more opinion. If you want to argue, bring actual data as I do. Otherwise, you’re just avoiding the core issue.

[native wind]

You should give your kids a long, good hug. Then whisper in their ear, "If I ever catch you cheating .. No more hugs." 😂🤗

[dry walrus]

The data your are bringing up is kinda irrelevant for me.
Im sry for all mnk players but i dont give 2 cents if its unfair or not but I understand the frustration for them, i really do. I have been there myself in the past.

Nerf aa more in the current state of the game and you'll see lots of console players leave or asking for movement nerfs and that i dont want to happen at all.
With the low playerbase we have, average and below console players need a strong aim assist imo to stand a chance here and there against better players.
If they get rid off forced crossplay i will still defend AA. I dont want a strong AA because of other advantages pc can have but because its necessary for the majority of console players in my opinion in a game like OTG!

When i said i struggle more vs the same pc players then im talking about trios only and this doesn't mean that i beat every console player. There are probably hundreds of better console players than me but it always feels that i have a decent little chance to win that 1vs1. On the other hand when i see certain pc players in the lobby, i know i only have a chance to win if my team sticks together and plays smart. In a 1vs1 i will almost have no chance.
I dont get that feeling when fighting console players.
If those are on controller or mnk, i dont know and dont care.

Best solution for me personally would be console crossplay only.
I want fights on a equal grounds.

[dry walrus]

I told them if they ever cheat, i delete their profiles of my ps5 and they aren't allowed to have their own console yet 😅

[fluid helm]

PUBG did the right thing by not adding aim assist to their PC version.

[ornate acorn]

once they add ranked, it'll be so much easier to tweak aim assist tbh. it's so hard to now

[glossy forge]

PLEASE

[native wind]

Wow, you JERCs have some really great suggestions. Tell me more 👏😂

[ornate acorn]

yeah you're still the least smart, most stubborn person in this thread.

[native wind]

Right, that’s why you end up defaulting to gifs and emojis as your sole response to my arguments and comments, with no particularly convincing or compelling arguments on your part preceding this behavior. Because you’re smarter than me. Sure.

Let’s hear how Ranked will solve aim-assist "tweaking" then. I’m listening.

[lyric harbor]

havent you heard the news? we already have ranked

[ornate acorn]

Adding ranked would help because it separates players by skill. Right now casuals feel like they need super strong aim assist just to survive against sweats, which is why lowering it sparks backlash. If there was ranked, they’d be playing people closer to their level and wouldn’t notice if assist dropped a bit.

That’s what happened in Apex and Fortnite. Once ranked came in, aim assist could actually be balanced without ruining the casual experience.

[tribal kestrel]

Not true. Fortnite AA was buffed, even though had already a good amount.

Outer pull strength especially in ADS was buffed.

Also on console substantially higher auto-rotation than PC controller.

[native wind]

First of all, Ranked, this version of it in particular, won’t separate people entirely and it won’t be by skill.

Bruised egos, of which there will be many, can still go into Normal mode and stomp on players any time they want. Since your version of Ranked is so inherently unfair, cheating will be ramped up even more than it already is. This behavior will leak into Normal mode to some extent.

To the degree your Ranked does separate players (within Ranked and between Ranked and Normal), it won’t be primarily by skill, it will be by platform (PC > console), hardware in general (high end > mid end > low end), established clan affiliation, willingness to cheat and how much, and tolerance of how much their team and clan mates cheat.

Finally, there is the skilled controller players on console, who will be left out not because of a lack of skill, but because of platform choice. There will be to an even less degree anything that balances against high end PC users, who will now have an even more unchecked fps/response time advantage. High end PC users on MnK particularly will have both the current movement advantage and an even more pronounced aim advantage (shifting from PC controller back to PC mnk).

It’s a particularly bad suggestion since Ranked with current or similar AA may have some merit, and decreasing AA as crossplay is made voluntary has a lot of merit.

[gilded adder]

Putting in the lords work. Apparently it’s okay for PC players to dictate Console Players but not vice versa. Turn off crossplay and let console players work it out, then turn crossplay back on to then smoothen it out a little more. Anything less would be dumb and biased, catering to PC

[ornate acorn]

But... PC players also have aim assist? I'm not talking about JUST console players. Please read 🙂

[native wind]

Aim assist plays a different role on console, where it both counter-balances input type and the performance driven fps/response time advantage that PC has over console.

On PC it should really just balance against mouse and keyboard on PC but you super smart geniuses have been campaigning for it to be equal to console instead with the result being that it’s pretty much lockstep with console AA. Making PC + controller indisputably the current hardware meta.

Surely a very, very smart person like yourself should have gotten that into your thick head by now.

[sour star]

console players cant aim.

there i saved you the read

[gilded adder]

I have read and I didn’t even mention anything of Pc players AA besides PC players staying out of console players AA reworks. You just proved you are heavily PC biased and are incapable of seeing both sides.

Ya’ll do you and let us do us is all I’m saying and when it’s “respectable” bring us together again to smooth it down further.

[glossy forge]

Console 100% needs more aim assist than PC. I'm a lifelong console player who played ranked apex on console at 60 FPS against the sweatiest PC players on 240+ FPS (my buddies were on PC and but i still wanted to play with them). Console clearly has a disadvantage, hence why they have more AA than PC. IT MAKES SENSE. However, having PC AA being 50% and console AA being 60% is ridiculously strong. Console NEEDS more AA than PC, but set them both to reasonable amounts. PC at 30%, Console at 40%. AA will still be super strong, but you will actually have to know how to control recoil to beam people. Everyone is happy. Console still gets their strong AA advantage over PC, and PC doesn't get aimbotted by every average console player. That way SKILL EXPRESSION THRIVES. The skillful players on console AND PC will rise to the top.

[tame relic]

[ornate acorn]

why did they thumbs up you when I been saying the exact same thing the entire time 😭

[glossy forge]

Because you're MnK scum! general grievous voice 🤣

[ornate acorn]

I guess so. they can't read anything I say lmao. they instantly think that I have ill will towards all controller players when I legit just want this game to be balanced as good as possible... been trying my best to make it that way for a long ass time but console players just refuse everything I say I guess...

I'll make u my translator I guess 💀

[glossy forge]

LMAO ill be your bridge to the controller community

[ornate acorn]

Seli:
"We should have PC 30% AA and Console 40% AA."

Console players:
"No you don't know what you're talking about and your points are invalid and stupid."

Vek:
"We should have PC 30% AA and Console 40% AA."

Console players:
"Yes I totally agree!"

https://tenor.com/view/kill-me-drink-bleach-gif-22890796

[gilded adder]

Vek didn’t come out spouting insults and sarcasm, your responses are always peppered with undercutting remarks negating any point you may have said

Level headed responses get respect

[ornate acorn]

you replied to me first saying "Apparently it's okay for PC players to dictate console players but not vice versa."

I'll meet undercutting remarks with other undercutting remarks. As I have stated before, read what I've said earlier in this thread. I'm only not nice to people who don't know how to learn and always think they have to be right no matter what.

[gilded adder]

You started it by telling me to “read” I did not reply to you before, i was stating the obvious, under Torden now I’m replying to you.

[ornate acorn]

nope, I was replying to this first 🙂

[gilded adder]

Lol exactly you replied this ☝🏼 first under my original post that wasn’t geared towards anyone just Pc players in general. I did not reply to you first. You chose to be rude and sarcastic towards me after my statement and now can’t accept you are wrong.

It’s time stamped, in order.

[ornate acorn]

I'm not sure what you're reading... but yeah it's not first 😂

[gilded adder]

Does my original post look like a reply to you? No. I didn’t mention you at all actually but your ego took my statement personally and decided to attack me

[ornate acorn]

when I say please read, I mean, please read 🙂

[gilded adder]

This is a reply, I know how to read cuh, you don’t obviously

[ornate acorn]

good for you! 🙂

[tribal kestrel]

Communication is hard.

[grand canyon]

Guys honestly. I think the unbalanced AA is not that big of a problem atm. As we saw yesterday many OTG players are also in the Cronus Discord and that is the bigger issue at hand. IMO. It's very hard to tell when you get beamed is it the AA or the Cronus. No killcam nothing to check.

[native wind]

You’re acting like this is some great vindicating and triumphant breakthrough for yourself. Vekenstein’s and your suggestion is ultimately weak.

Only difference is he did a wall of text without pacing that didn’t breath and started out super relatable and forthcoming, then just didn’t deliver accordingly. Like every politician ever, basically.

Then got like, what, two upvotes from the opposing view. Which to you represents a monolith of console players, apparently.

30 vs 40 % AA does not balance PC controller vs console controller.

Essentially 30 % AA is set aside to balance controller vs mnk on PC, which may be ok, and probably is a genuine step forward.

But then only 10 % AA is left to counter-balance the massive fps/response time on PC over console, which is a joke and completely insufficient. You know this, Vekenstein knows it, especially if his "super relatable" background is worth anything.

30 vs 40 % AA sounds very nice because one way or another we would all like to see AA lowered, reduced, for many, many reasons. But it’s not a fair and balanced way to go about it.

Even current console AA, however strong indeed, does not counterbalance against the fps/response time advantage on high end PCs.

That’s what most at least non-cheating console players like myself experience, I think, and which is why voluntary crossplay is the #1 request from console players by a considerable margin.

[grand canyon]

Most people do not have high end PCs as they are very costly. Please stop acting like every PC is a 3k plus machine. UE5 is very demanding in terms of hardware requirements.

[native wind]

Does not matter. Widely different hardware configs is a PC problem brought to console almost exclusively through PC crossplay.

PC players can choose to upgrade their gaming PC, whereas console players cannot do any similarly significant upgrade without changing platform, which is not an upgrade but instead undermining platform of choice. It’s disrespectful towards console players, basically.

[amber summit]

You could choose to upgrade to a PC. Don’t act like your self set limitations - not wanting to platform swap - is our fault or concern. Don’t ask for competitive assistance if you aren’t willing to do what it takes to be competitive

[grand canyon]

I think all needs to be done is enable the console users to use the low quality mode with shadows turned off AKA potato graphic mode and give them those 100 fps plus they think will make them pro players. And of course lower the damn AA in this game.

[potent jungle]

I really dont understand why u want to decrease AA when u cant turn off crossplay and u must play against pc that is so obvious that pc movement is faster that console even the swap on the weapons

And the history show us that whoever console player said to reduce AA after a while he move to pc 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[ornate acorn]

PC is just better than console. Who wouldn't want to upgrade lol. If you want to go pro in a game, make the switch to a PC.

[potent jungle]

I dont have space in my home 😭😭😭😭 dont make it harder for me 😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣

[amber summit]

You have space for a console and television but not an added mouse and keyboard? Not judging just curious it doesn’t take that much more space

[grand canyon]

He's afraid of the complexity the master race requires!

https://tenor.com/view/pepo-gif-20374472

[glossy forge]

The difference between console and pc AA is 10% right now so what’s wrong with reducing aim assist for EVERYONE and keeping the same 10% buff for consoles that we currently have? If you want an insane 60% aim bot where you can go brain dead and still hit a 40+% accuracy then just say that instead of saying my argument is weak.

[glossy forge]

Also, for those who are saying “what about console fps and response times”. That’s an entirely SEPARATE ISSUE that requires a separate solution. You don’t fix a problem like console FPS by creating another problem like insane AA amounts for BOTH console and PC as a solution. You create entirely separate solutions for both problems. Right now, we’re discussing the problem on strong AA.

Lack of FPS on console can be solved through performance mode and removing shadows like @grand canyon suggested.

[tame relic]

He's General MnKenobi?

[native wind]

This is parroting my own point that I’ve made several times before back to me. In other words, I agree largely.

Except the solution I suggest is making crossplay voluntary while you bring up a solution that, while good, won’t even get close to halfway there. You know this perfectly well too.

With voluntary crossplay PC players can determine an AA themselves that strikes a balance between their own liking and what would attract console players to PC crossplay.

A very healthy exercise in voluntary relations and compromise for some people here, even as a thought experiment.

[glossy forge]

I 100% agree that crossplay should be an option instead of mandatory.

The only problem is our current player base numbers are too low to successfully implement it.

So in my mind, crossplay being mandatory is also an entirely separate problem that OTG has, just like console FPS.

Using strong AA to fix these underlying issues of console fps and mandatory crossplay isn’t a solution. OTG needs to SOLVE these issues instead of creating new issues that mask the original ones.

And by “original issues”, i’m talking about the mandatory crossplay and console FPS because those issues were around before we had an AA issue.

Like i said earlier, i completely understand the plight of the console player. I was one for 20+ years

[native wind]

Pretty much agree with all of this, but would like to add that I think this game has lost hundreds of thousands of console players due to forced crossplay. This game would have become big on console because the gunplay is in the top ten, top five all time and TPP is a staple console experience.

My theory currently, put together with a little help from discussants, is that the PC version is so poorly optimized that low-end and mid-end PC players found themselves in a similar position to console players relative to high-end PC players. More pronounced so than for other games. (PC players who were there at the time feel free to fill in)

They were driven away from the game due to it looking horrible at low specs combined with being stomped on constantly by high end PC players (and to be fair, to a lesser degree probably console players with strong aim-assist after crossplay was introduced).

Similar to XDefiant OTG had this foolish anti-SBMM image from the start which has probably cost the game more than any other single decision.

See, SBMM or voluntary crossplay, each could have singlehandedly retained thousands of console players and counting alone. But the absence of both was disastrous.

Of course, SBMM was eventually implemented but too little too late.

Anyway, bit of a tangent I guess.

[ornate acorn]

yep exactly 🎯

[potent jungle]

I agree on that too to reducing it for both platforms

[exotic nimbus]

I believe the game is moving towards perfection, but I believe AA needs to be 100% to be perfect.

Since we no longer need to click to shoot with pistols and other weapons, to be perfect, we need the weapons to fire on their own when we see an enemy.

[ornate acorn]

we're over half way there 🙂 just need a little push

[grand canyon]

Exactly! Why bother thinking: is this dude using Cronus or is it just standard AA.
Crank it all the way up.
F all the mnk players!

[exotic nimbus]

YES MAN!! I am waiting for the next update, with the implementation of AI in the game, movement, aiming, and shooting, done automatically!

[sly yarrow]

Bro. No. AA does not need to be reduced. All these PC cry babies constantly whining about AA this AA that. While they gettin 100+ fps, get there whole mf arm to control recoil. While I’m on console getting like 50 fps if I’m lucky on series x n get my thumb to control recoil.

The AA in this game isn’t even noticeable

[glossy forge]

Console having low FPS is an entirely different issue than the AA. Optimization is supposed to fix the FPS issue on console. You don’t cover up a problem (low console fps) with another problem (insanely strong AA).

[glossy forge]

If AA isn’t even noticeable then why are you so against it being reduced? Make it make sense 🤣

[sly yarrow]

I’m sayin it’s not that noticeable bro where it’s crazy strong like ppl make it seem. It’s common logic. Mouse and keyboard is at a much larger advantage than controller. So controller gets aim assist to try and even it out.

[ornate acorn]

yeah i doubt you ever used an mnk competitively

[manic remnant]

AA feels like its gotten stronger. Hard to see on vid, but it was very sticky

[grand canyon]

Come on Donnie! You are getting us depressed now, stop it!

[sour star]

gross

[buoyant kiln]

40% across the bored. Yes all platforms! Console having 60% is criminal!

[tame relic]

I think Recoil was reduced and patterns changed, likley they need feedback and tweaks

[grand canyon]

Im sick of tweaks. Just turn down the AA already. Tweaks only affect the mnk .

[edgy wigeon]

👀

[tribal kestrel]

Everyone wants lower AA. Devs proceed to lowering rotational AA. MnK/PC crowd: “Nonono, it actually now better. “ 🥹

[ornate acorn]

needs to be lowered way more overall, not just console. great. 50% AA lol. we need 30-40%

[tribal kestrel]

Yadda, yadda. Just change value to 100 and lower it some if data shows that mnk needs help.

[ornate acorn]

100%... is aim bot. Not over exaggerating. It is literally. Aim bot. 60% is 60% of pure aim bot.

[tribal kestrel]

It’s just a number. Real value is what it is. So that bitchin stops.

[ornate acorn]

real value of 100% is quite literally aim bot.

[tribal kestrel]

It should not be a ”real” value but just state that now it’s max at 100 but value can be 69% or whatever.

[ornate acorn]

idk if you get it but uh.. value is at 60% right now. if the value were 100%, it would insta lock onto people because it's uh... aimbot.

[tribal kestrel]

My man you slow tonight. The value shown is 0-100 but real value is lower and not disclosed to stop speculation.

[ornate acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/joelana-joe-cto-yellow-guy-yellow-boi-yellowboi-gif-13739883806365791886

[amber summit]

Real value IS disclosed and the slider is a percentage of that real value are you okay?

[tribal kestrel]

Follow the thread. Stop showing real value is my point.

[amber summit]

Followed the thread. Even if you’ll stop showing the real value you can still feel it and guage how strong it is.

[tribal kestrel]

Well disagree that 10% difference is felt.

[amber summit]

We’re not discussing 10% we’re discussing 20-30

[grand canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-steve-carrell-what-the-hell-is-happening-confused-gif-16458249

[stray mason]

I really try not to get in the AA discussion anywhere but when you have controller players choosing their console over their pc then you know you have a problem.

[buoyant kiln]

Any controller player that disagrees with a AA nerf is just bad it’s as simple as that… console is 60% and PC is 50% it should be 40% across the bored

[native wind]

Any PC player that disagrees that high-end PCs have a significant fps/response time advantage over console is completely delusional.

"Laughing emoji", that’s all you come up with. Impressive 👏👏

[ornate acorn]

yeah 100% is aimbot

[native wind]

Repetition of claim. No argument to support it. No wonder, because you don’t have any.

Now sit down.

[ornate acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/my-reaction-to-that-information-star-wars-woj-wojtaki-gif-26045801

[native wind]

Looks like someone killing and chasing away the console playerbase that could have saved OTG from dyįng.

(wtf? I thought I posted this comment already. It was removed?)

[ornate acorn]

yes because I love to three stack and ruin fun for others... as I solo que with troll/challenge loadouts 💀

been here since the beginning helping new players out and refusing the three stack competitively in a public lobby unless there was an upcoming tournament I needed practice for.

[native wind]

Relax, I wrote "someone". I didn’t mean you personally, perhaps not even you at all, in any way.

If the children represent the console playerbase, maybe Anakin doesn’t represent a single, concrete guy, you know? 😂

[native wind]

Why the fxck was my original message debunking your ridiculous 100 % aim-assist = aimbot claim deleted?

[ornate acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/you-sure-about-that-gif-6823241795540399689

[ornate acorn]

no need to get so upset my guy

[native wind]

I didnt realize you were a coward who can’t stand being corrected when you’re claiming nonsense. That’s sad and pathetic.

Seriously, you are deleting counter-arguments now?

[ornate acorn]

how can I delete messages when I'm not a mod?

imagine calling me names just over a civil conversation I'm trying to have. crazy mentality to have imo.

[native wind]

You tell me. You’re the one sitting on their lap like a little boy.

[ornate acorn]

I can't even be ambassador.. they hate me idk what u mean

[native wind]

My argument in an open conversation was just deleted for no good reason. And you don’t seem the least bit concerned.

No wonder you had it deleted because it so thoroughly debunked you, you must’ve been embarrassed.

Unbelievable, you had my message deleted because you were thoroughly out-argued.

When you can’t argue your case, just censor other people who are taking part in a free, open discussion. That has to be a new low for this place, really.

@ornate acorn is having messages he dislikes deleted here, everyone. That’s a new low. Sad to see.

[native wind]

Here he is openly mocking and minimizing my concern over having a completely fair and well-argued case deleted. To the point, debunking his dubious claim that 100 % aim-assist equals aimbot. Out-argued, couldn’t handle it apparently. Now has nothing substantial whatsoever to say for himself.

[ornate acorn]

I can't .. delete anything 😭 who da hel deleting this lmao

@amber summit vouch

[amber summit]

1. He can’t delete anything

2. You haven’t debunked anything

3. 100% assistance would be an aimbot

[native wind]

Then why are you minimizing like this? You seem to be rejoicing that my message was deleted.

[native wind]

Regardless, I don’t recognize you as an intellectual or tech authority. Argue your case like everyone else I am not able to apparently, because my messages are deleted.

Tell me instead, who deleted my messages?

[amber summit]

No clue who is deleting your messages take that up with the ambassadors

[native wind]

Then why are you even talking? Ridiculous.

[ornate acorn]

because he vouches for me professionally

[native wind]

I can’t react with emojis to your message now. What is happening?

[amber summit]

The fact you are getting so heated over discussion doesn’t help your side of the argument either

Personal attacks don’t win arguments

[ornate acorn]

because uhhh I blocked u so I don't get pinged when u respond to me

[native wind]

Disingenious, gaslighting.

I am heated, upset because my messages are being deleted.

[ornate acorn]

he thinks yelling helps win arguments I guess

[ornate acorn]

then why're you calling ME names and getting mad at ME?

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-wth-what-the-hell-wthelly-what-the-helly-gif-3698868036412632226

[native wind]

I presented a thorough argument that was deleted.

You have more than equal share in "name calling, personal attacks" etc. Difference is you cant argue your case in the first place.

[native wind]

How is having my messages deleted for no reason not a reason for concern?

[amber summit]

How has he not argued his case by now lmao

[ornate acorn]

ah yes I called u names and attacked you personally..

bruh I'm not deleting ur messages

[ornate acorn]

idek lol

kinda fun tho

[native wind]

You’re both full of sh1t. You know perfectly well that having full arguments deleted for no reason is grounds for concern.

[amber summit]

My bad I won’t delete anymore msgs

[native wind]

…and I have every reason to suspect that @ornate acorn was involved in it. He had more reason and motive than anyone else here.

[amber summit]

They are trying to silence you Torden you are too close to the truth

[native wind]

So you are admitting to having my messages deleted?

[ornate acorn]

WHY'D MY MESSAGE GET DELETED

Torden....

[amber summit]

Yes 🙁

[native wind]

Ok, appreciate the honesty. Why did you delete them?

[amber summit]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-too-much-number-five-aidan-gallagher-the-umbrella-academy-who-told-you-gif-18218945

[ornate acorn]

tell him Icey... I think he's ready.

[amber summit]

Deleted them because you are incorrect

[ornate acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-whoa-hype-gif-15409924

[native wind]

Alright, you high up in the Communist party or something?

[native wind]

You realize we don’t the delete comments we disagree with in the Western world. We argue against them. If I can do it, you can do it too. Especially if you are right that I was wrong.

[amber summit]

Just make a correct argument next time

[native wind]

Argue your case instead of deleting comments like a coward next time, ok? Seriously.

[amber summit]

Again with the personal attacks. Gonna have to step up the control

[ornate acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-comic-book-guy-conspiracy-theory-coincidence-i-think-not-conspiracy-gif-4187110859394296512

[native wind]

Deleting more comments because you can’t handle criticism? Very pertinent, on point criticism that you should heed I might add.

[ornate acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/were-getting-close-guys-patrick-smith-thesmithplays-getting-closer-near-gif-17564333

[native wind]

I appreciate your honesty, believe me, but you have embarrassed yourself by deleting comments for being "wrong" today. That’s like a parody of every Totalitarian society.

[ornate acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/closer-getting-closer-its-getting-closer-it-is-getting-closer-south-park-gif-13719661

[edgy bear]

I will close this discussion for about 10 hours.
Personal attacs are not tolerated.
Keep it on topic when it gets reopened please.

Keep replying to moderators with clown emoji, and you will get you muted @native wind

[shut ingot]

AA 40% for pc and console simple

[tribal kestrel]

45% console, pc/controller 39% simple.

[dry walrus]

They sacrificed a big part of the console playerbase to rescue the pc playerbase (forced crossplay) which was the worst decision they could make imo.
I barely get killed by new console players at all so AA can't be that strong.

Doesn't matter if AA is weak or strong, if it's only consoles vs consoles its a fair fight but so long OTG doesn't have a tight sbmm console noobs like my brother in law need a good working AA.

The people saying AA should be the same for all platforms: If you want it fair, then also ask for a frame cap and same graphic settings?

[grand canyon]

This could work too. 60% AA is crazy however you look at it.

[tulip mason]

Im a little over a week in, but I am not new to gaming. I've heard the arguments from mnk players and honestly its just insufferable. Aim assist isn't aim bot, and its needed for the input method. The joysticks are one inch long on a ball swivel, its very hard to be accurate with, that's why aim assist was created in the first place.

With that said, I prefer the aim assist that slows down the reticle only, not one that pulls it towards the target. As you drag the reticle left or right it just slows the reticle when near the target.

Without any aim assist you get 99% of people swinging the joystick left right left right swinging side to side past the target, completely frustrating the players. If aim assist was removed from this game I'd simply stop playing, trying to aim a 1 inch joystick on a ball swivel without aim assist is torture.

[grand canyon]

Nobody is saying to completely remove it. Currently 60% allows roller players to absolutely beam moving opponents from the sky. This is plain as day shown in the video above. We just want this to be reduced.

[potent jungle]

If u reduced it u will make console ppl leaves and after that death is coming for the game unfortunately

[shut ingot]

Maybe if it’s possible we can have aim assist reduced to 40% for ranked and comp and keep it the same for all the noobs

[potent jungle]

We talk about AA but the real problem is the crossplay and the thing that they trying to balance pc and console it's not fair either way

[potent jungle]

This is not fair for me i dont try to be the clever one and probably im not the best in the game but i know a lot goid players that they have the same opinion

[shut ingot]

Removing cross play is the one of the worst things that they can do to the game right now, we don’t have enough players as it is, as I said in my comment above I think the aim assist should be reduced to 40% for ranked or comp when it comes out

[tame relic]

Bro this is you, you come in here acuseing everyone else of what you do lol

[dry walrus]

90% or more controller players are not beaming anyone like that. Otherwise i would get killed in the air 24/7 which is not happening and i main leapers and im flying around the whole time.
The game is already tough as hell for console casuals, noobs and new players.
The more they nerf AA, the more the better console players will benifit against not so good console players.

"Fix" crossplay and leave AA as it is.
Lower AA for ranked and maybe when you turn crossplay on.
Console community lost so many players since they forced crossplay on everyone, it's crazy.

[grand canyon]

Nooooo!

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-dont-you-dare-the-office-michael-scott-gif-9247065

[topaz oak]

Funny people keep saying 60% , yet I’ve not seen anyone explain 60% of what? To act as if it is auto aiming and beaming people is just nuts. I’ve played shooters all my life. Not awesome but I don’t suck either. I don’t notice AA doing much of anything for me . What people seem to be overlooking and is much more likely the controller players “beaming you out of the sky” are likely using Cronus. But we don’t really wanna talk about that. PC players just want ability to smash all console players with ease

[glossy forge]

If you don’t notice AA doing much, then turn your AA to 30% and post how your session went

Y’all keep bringing up FPS on a post talking about strong AA.

Low FPS is an optimization issue that is just as bad as the strong AA

[potent jungle]

Lets be honest i dont want to reduce AA but is there and if u try to turn it off u will see the difference but its not so much to beam ppl and i have good accuracy stats

[native wind]

They also deleted my argument debunking the 100 % aim-assist = aimbot claim, and asked why they simply stated because I was "wrong". No counter-argument, just deletion, censorship basically. Mods are deleting messages just because they disagree with them.

[native wind]

My argument was deleted by @amber summit probably as requested by @ornate acorn just because they disagreed with what I said. You aren’t even reading the original exchange.

[edgy bear]

Your comments got deleted because you end up with personal attacks all the time.
This server have #rules you need to follow.

[native wind]

Not the reason @amber summit gave here. Are you revising your story now @edgy bear ?

[edgy bear]

?
I know why i deleted your messages.
Icey had nothing to do with this.

[native wind]

Ok, my bad for other users lying and obfuscating here.

Where is the personal attack in the long argument of mine you deleted here?

[edgy bear]

I think automod deleted this as suspected spam
No person deleted that.

[native wind]

Well, that’s convenient. Why on earth would an argument against equating 100 % aim-assist with aimbot be flagged as spam?

Why would it be posted successfully first then later be apparently retroactively flagged as spam, then deleted?

[edgy bear]

I will not continue this discussion.
Focus on following the rules yourself, and let mods handle everyone else.

[native wind]

Why was this message deleted the first time it was posted? It contains no personal attacks.

[edgy bear]

Drop this please

[topaz oak]

nah i aint got time to be making stupid videos that wont convience you . Your mind is set, its fine. I know how it feels when i play and im not feeling like its aiming for me at all . Ive played long enough to be most of yalls dad. If i really felt it controlling my aim i wouldnt want it. I play PUBG for this very reason . NO AA

[native wind]

Alright commissar. Maybe get your story straight next time?

[edgy bear]

Warning
This is something stupid to get muted over.
Drop it now.

[native wind]

Oh man, what a sad state.

[glossy forge]

If you turned AA down to 30% and you performed exactly as you do now then i 100% would be convinced. But i get not wanting to go through that to convince a stranger

I’m just saying that if you don’t feel AA aiming for you then you shouldn’t be against it being lowered to 30% 🤷‍♂️

[tame relic]

Dude your not an active player, your here to argue not provide feedback, you attack others and refuse help things get better.
Your not even shocked your moderated you just using that as 1 more excuse to cry

[topaz oak]

i have actually turned it down to 0 -10 -20- 30 -40 -50 -60 and honestly i dont feel that much difference. Again , Personally I want NO AA but that only works without crossplay with pc which i know aint happening

i honestly have no idea where i even have it set to now because i didnt notice much difference and have adjusted settings many times

[tulip mason]

A mnk PC player can do a snap 180 flick, run the game with low textures, and mnk is superior to using joysticks on a gamepad if you put the time in. AA does not aim for you, im on PS5 and I still miss a ton of my shots. If you take away aim assist to be "fair to PC players" then you might as well cap frames at 60 and force them to run lower mouse sensitivity so it can be fair for console controller players. No one will do that though because the PC crowd wants every advantage possible, and you guys advocating for AA as if its aimbot I feel don't understand how or why aim assist was ever implemented in games. Trying to aim a reticle while moving like we do in shooters, on a 1 inch long joystick that rests on a BALL like swivel is near impossible to be accurate with for 99% of people.

They don't need something to aim for them, they need the speed reduced when closer to the target. On controller you want fast movement with both joysticks so games don't feel clunky, but you need the "slow down" when aiming near a target to avoid the whipsaw back and forth effect that happens when most try to aim without that slow down.

[glossy forge]

Nobody is arguing that AA shouldnt be in the game. We’re arguing it shouldn’t be above 40%. I’m also a controller player and know many controller players who agree. 50 and 60% is simply too strong

[glossy forge]

This is a good example of why it doesn’t need to be set to 50 or 60%. You (Poohty) perform just as well with 30% AA as you do with 60% AA. That means YOU don’t rely on the extra 30% AA. However, someone who isn’t as good as you could have the same accuracy as you just because they rely on the extra 30%. Does that make sense?

[topaz oak]

I get what your saying. I’m just sayin i can’t beam people out of the sky. Lucky to get 1-2 hits on someone flying by: I honestly feel a lot of the “AA is aimbot” is due to bums using Cronus and the AA may very well be helping them beam with Cronus combined. People really underestimate just how many bums use Cronus on console shooters in general

[tame relic]

Maybe, but given how there isnt much recoil to speak off wouldnt that mean Cronus has little impact?

[edgy bear]

Remember the no cheat/exploit rule please 🙏

[edgy bear]

Remember the no cheat/exploit rule please 🙏

[ornate acorn]

yep I'm good with that one. 45%/30% is what I originally wanted. I think I said 40% but I mean 45% is just as good

[tulip mason]

If the people using these exploits are part of the low daily player base then they directly effect this conversation, as being "beamed out of the sky" could be from those users. If we bury our head in the sand about it then you'll just be punishing legit newer players.

[glossy forge]

I like this as well. I think 30% pc and 40% console would be perfect for competitiveness but 40% for pc and 45% for console works too.

Anything under 50%

[tulip mason]

I just tested the AA in this game to see how strong it is 😂 my god bro this is so minimal it barely does anything. Swing left and right over a target, it doesn't pull to the target and it barely even slows down. The fact you guys are complaining about that minimal amount of aim assist is diabolical

[ornate acorn]

perhaps this may be considered, a skill issue?

[tulip mason]

I just got out of a game where a clan was 3 tapping myself and my teammates mid air with marksman rifles. I respawn and lose my legs right when I start flying. This is NOT an aim assist problem. It's something y'all are too uncomfortable to talk about.

[glossy forge]

How the hell is 60% of aimbot “minimal”? 🤣

If you think there’s minimal AA in this game then your settings must be tweaking

[ornate acorn]

he prob plays w his controller inverted or something

[shut ingot]

What’s wrong with that

I play inverted

Jokes wtf

[glossy forge]

Lowkey i knew a controller demon that played on inverted 😂

[tulip mason]

It's not aimbot. Just drag the reticle over an enemy, its barely there. Compare this to other games with aim assist and what we have is barely anything. What this game has is a lot of inflated egos (not talking about you) which leads people justifying doing things we aren't allowed to talk about, or blaming things like the small AA in the game.

[tribal kestrel]

You need to tell me a bed side story.

[tulip mason]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-story-bed-time-squidward-ice-cream-gif-16418630

[glossy forge]

We can agree to disagree on this topic, but I respect your opinion nonetheless! 🫡

[ornate acorn]

pretty sure with rotational aim assist it's strong when you're moving your character as well as if your character is moving the same direction the enemy is going. I'm not an expert on controllers but @glossy forge may be better at explaining than I am

[glossy forge]

Yeah rotational aim assist only kicks in when you or your enemy are strafing.

by definition, it compensates for your character's movement. When your left stick recieves input, your crosshair will automatically rotate to assist in tracking a moving target

the right stick also does this in certain games like Apex legends, which is why most controller pros WANT a tiny bit of controller drift. It's because the controller drift will activate the rotational aim assist

if you're standing still, and you aren't moving any of your sticks, then rotational aim assist will not activate.

[ornate acorn]

yeah that's what I thought. when I tried controller I did a bit of research before and I put my dead zone at 0 on my scuf so I basically always had rotational aim assist

[tulip mason]

Ahh this makes more sense and probably what cause confusion. I can definitely feel the slowdown when moving side to side but never a "lock on" feel, but im also not paying attention in the middle of gunfights. So people were concerned about getting beamed out of the air, of im standing still but my target is moving, do I get aim assist? Usually when I try to shoot people flying i am on the ground standing still and I don't feel like Im really able to beam people. I'll try straying next time and see what happens 😂

[glossy forge]

Yuuuuup i always try to have a tiny amount of drift for whatever game i'm playing

[glossy forge]

I don't think so in OTG, but in a game like Apex you would. I think to activate rotational AA in OTG YOU need to be strafing too

but theres soooo much movement in OTG that you should be strafing at all times

[glossy forge]

By the way, i really appreciate the dialogue we're having like grown adults. So many people in this community refuse to try and understand the actual nuances of the game. They just go straight to insults or blowing off actual facts because it doesn't align with that they previously thought. If you ever wanna play add me! Vekenstein is my epic username

[ornate acorn]

I know this is actually amazing. massive respect to people like this. I'm not used to normal conversations, it's usually people calling me names saying I'm wrong and they're always right. Having a civil conversation is a breath of fresh air

[tulip mason]

Im older, I've been gaming most of my life. I have a gaming PC too I just prefer to relax on my couch chair when I play PS5 games. I've seen these conversations many times, and this one is tough because some people say AA does nothing while others say it's aimbot, which both are overexaggerations. A little aim assist is needed for toy controllers or they become useless, but too much becomes OP

Aim assist should always in my opinion just slows down the aim when closer to a target, never pull towards the target

[ornate acorn]

agreed. we're all asking for a decrease, not to take it away. we know it's definitely needed, but not this strong.

PC AA either 30% or 35% would be perfect.
Console AA either 40% or 45% would be perfect.

Could also make the values lower for ranked if we want to make it where the most skilled controlled players would reach the top ranks.

[tulip mason]

You also need to make sure the AA doesn't increase with framerate. Otherwise a high frame player will have better AA and think it needs to be reduced and low FPS players will be in shambles 😂

[native wind]

I caught you grossly misrepresenting, to put it lightly and favorably, the framerate of the top #1 player on the leaderboard at the time. I can understand how that may have stung a bit for you.

(Upon closer inspection in another video I determined that the average framerate was closer to 150 fps with rare dips to around 100 fps. So even the dips were 20 fps above rare peak framerates on Xbox Series X. The frame rate counter on Xbox is also clearly unreliable and overestimates framerate, especially during dips. You know, kind of like how the crossplay toggle does not work but there is still an elaborate cosmetic effort to give the impression that it does.)

Claiming I’m not an active player and trying to render my comments irrelevant as such is an actual personal attack. Arguments are supposed to speak for themselves regardless of reference to the author. We have also been through this before. I have a main account well above level 300 and a 0 % aim-assist alt account approaching level 150. If I’m taking a break break from the game it could also be because I don’t like the current state of the game or that players whom I used to played the game have left the game.

[tribal kestrel]

To get rotational you need to strafe or shoot. Can test this on range. Be at a spot where the moving puppet comes into view. Shoot stationary puppets further away and wait for moving puppet to cross.

I don’t like it so have lower rotational.

[tribal kestrel]

It’s so obvious that controller on PC is a much better platform. Is it the frame smoothness or AA scaling but tracking is much improved.

[tame relic]

Lies

[native wind]

You’re projecting and accusing me of exactly what you have been doing. You are the one who have been demonstrably lying, and you engage in personal attacks much more notably than I do.

[gritty kestrel]

Quit the drama and let's get back to the subject.

AA needs to be nerfed, whether slightly reduced 10-20%, but personally I would rather it just not be focused on headshots. I'm not sure the alg and how it is designed, but it seems to always be focused and aimed at the head... even when flying through the Marshlands when players have no clear visual, but beamed and dropped with perfect aim and headshots. I think not, Scotty.

[tribal kestrel]

Naah

[gritty kestrel]

great logic. think we can conclude and close this thread now

[native wind]

Guy gets his clan mates to come and put poop emojis on my comment and to "100 %" his own. Wow 👏👏

[edgy bear]

Keep it on topic please 🙏

[tribal kestrel]

There is no logic needed as AA does not stick aim to head.

[gritty kestrel]

Hope you're right, then if not an odd coincidence. Take it you're a console player?

[native wind]

Just compared my main account to my 0 % aim-assist alt account:

Headshot accuracy is currently 26.7 % for Extraction Royale Trios on my main account, and 25.5 % for my 0 % aim-assist alt account.

(I think the numbers have been recalculated in the app with the recent separate stat for extraction royale.)

I consistently try to aim for headshots in OTG on both accounts.

Sorry, it’s actually 32.7 % vs 25.5 %.

I’m just quoting the stats as given by the app here. The numbers seem to have been recalculated recently. Extraction royale did not have separate stats in the app until some weeks ago, I think.

Since hex extraction on my main account is listed as only 105 these stats must have a recent cut off backwards in time. When choosing "ALL" the hex count is 698, which is more realistic.

[tame relic]

From your very 1st message in this server and every message after you have been a moaning negative complaining drone, you offer no solutions or genuine feedback for game improvement and continually lie about your activity and involvement in game while attacking others who are deeply invested in seeing it do well, not just for themselves but everyone.

You have at best 12hrs of gameplay this month and at least 168hrs of arguing in this thread about a subject you are clearly attempting to use as a means of ensuring players who have put time and effort into getting better you are nerfed down to your level.

You do no use an account without Aim Assist, this is a blatant lie and you ensure you never show your account names to hide the fact your lying, you lack the game time to argue from a position of experience, you lack an open minded approach required to provide feedback to achieve a level of game balance that benefits all.

You screen shots which purposely dont have your account names in them to ensure they cant be disproven are an attempt to use a tiny outlier of skewed data to prove a point which benefits no one other than yourself.

Spend less time arguing and more time playing and with some time and effort you might get experienced enough to have an opinion worth voicing.

[tribal kestrel]

Play both. More on PS5

[native wind]

This is all complete, vindictive projection BS.

Please point to any of these supposed lies. You are the liar here and you are projecting.

I do absolutely have an 0 % aim-assist alt account. You can all see and inspect it if I can trust you not to abuse it for your bullying. That’s the only, single reason I didn’t give the account name to you the last time.

I also have probably hundreds of clips from said 0 % aim-assist account that I can show you at any time, and I am only withholding them for the above reason.

I am all for solutions for this game but fact of the matter is that aim-assist is the wrong solution for the right problem: Forced PC-console crossplay.

This problem won’t be solved with optimization as @glossy forge constructively suggests, because you can’t optimize five years old budget hardware to provide the same performance as brand new 3000 USD hardware. It’s just not happening.

So we are left with aim-assist to solve a problem that it’s poorly equipped for, which makes the problem complex and not readily solved. Yet aim-assist can’t be dismissed as it is one of the few direct solutions available.

That’s the problem being difficult, not me being difficult for pointing it out.

[native wind]

The name of my 0 % aim-assist alt account is NES Torden. The name of my main account (with full AA) is Tordenskiold.

I have hundreds of OTG gameplay clips for both accounts.

Both accounts are on Xbox:

Tordenskiold (main account)
NES Torden (0 % aim-assist alt account)

[native wind]

These are just a handful of clips from my alt account where I do absolutely play exclusively with aim-assist turned off, both rotational AA and target acquisition AA (slowdown near target) set to 0 %. Let me know if you want to see more clips.

[tame relic]

That account doesnt have AA off bro

[native wind]

It absolutely does have AA off.

[tame relic]

Prove it

[native wind]

How?

[tame relic]

Record your settings as AA off pre game then record a few games

[native wind]

Sure, I can make that happen at some point in the near future.

Meanwhile I have literally hundreds of clips like the four just posted that you and anyone here can inspect as much and as long as you want.

I also have thousands of clips from PUBG Console, a game that does not have aim-assist.

[native wind]

Here is the kind of clip (from my main account with full AA) that I think illustrates how strong aim-assist can be in this game. I’d have a hard time pulling this off without aim-assist.

[native wind]

Also main account, full AA.

[ornate acorn]

yeah they had that early on but not anymore. now it's just 50% PC and 60% console.

[ornate acorn]

damn I guess I just suck lol. i need that AA headshot accuracy fr

[manic remnant]

Your HS accuracy is nuts. Great job

[ornate acorn]

wish mine could be that good 🥲

[manic remnant]

Right! mine is like half of his 🫣

[ornate acorn]

yeah .. it's interesting lol

[shut ingot]

Yours is goated for kbm 🤣 ❤️

Better than mine and I have Aim Assist

🤣

[native wind]

I recorded a video earlier today and have uploaded it to my Youtube channel. I don’t know how to post youtube clips or web links here:

youtu dot be slash PKKQzuiPlQM

It took a lot of time to get an extraction royale match and I eventually had to change to one of the NA servers. So the second match starts at about 15:00.

[tame relic]

Sick ill have a look

[native wind]

It’s just what the app reports for a later selection of extraction royale matches, with an unknown cut-off date. That includes many matches with a lot of bots for example. Solo-queuing into primetime lobbies on EU is unplayable basically. At least for me.

I don’t know if the new calculations for each mode in the app are accurate. 26.7 % is my all time headshots percentage for all modes combined. That’s more representative of my overall performance, I think.

[fervent osprey]

You do know why AA is a thing right? They’re a dead zone in the center of the stick and a mouse has perfect accuracy with 0 dead zone thats why there is AA

[native wind]

I’m assuming this is directed towards everyone, not me specifically. Otherwise let me know, I guess.

[fervent osprey]

No, this is just in general. The whole reason aim assist is even a thing is in the center of the controllers thumb stick. There is a dead zone. Unlike mouse where anywhere you move it, it moves the screen or your character is gone. There is a dead zone on a controller. That’s why controller has aimassit a controller thing not a system thing.

[nimble stream]

Wasn’t this suggestion locked yesterday? 😀

[ornate acorn]

yeah... for some reason unlocked now 😅

[grand canyon]

Lets recap:
Mnk is the devil with 0 deadzones and very easy to aim. Thus 1 out of top 12 players in Flaw tourney was mnk.
PC is Satan with 1000 fps giving you godlike skill and you can see every move 2 sec before it happens.
Controllers are the hardest to master and need an AA buff.

[tribal kestrel]

Fugic me sideways. Using tourney success as logic to nerf AA. Console/former players just hold hands better. Also one winner was a cheater.

[grand canyon]

Which one?

[shut ingot]

Facts

[nimble stream]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-kung-fu-cute-baby-gif-15434746

We definitely need aa for mnk to avoid this all

[amber summit]

AA on mnk would be perfect

[manic remnant]

I think players do indeed have varying AA from one another even if their settings are the same. Just switch controllers, since my main one broke, and even with AA maxed, it feels like I have none. I've seen others say when they have played on their friends systems it feels stronger/weaker, even if they copy their settings over

[glossy forge]

Interesting… i wonder if its placebo.

I also just changed controllers last week and my AA feels exactly the same

AA feeling different if playing on a different PC makes sense tho

At the vegas lan my aim felt wayyyy off on their PCs as opposed to mine despite using the same controller

[manic remnant]

Yeah, after further consideration I think it's just the controllers, since my last one had hall sticks, And I think this one has the old style

[glossy forge]

Ahhhhhhh yeah that’ll do it

[amber summit]

They also had that huge AA adjustment the day of LAN though

[native wind]

It’s been over seven days now. So did you have a look at the youtube video?

[tame relic]

Not yet been very busy

[grand canyon]

I think we can close this topic. It's clear controller AA % will never be reduced.

[ornate acorn]

sad, but true

[dry walrus]

Maybe start asking for crossplay off?
Nerf AA and you'll see movement like RR getting nerfed more and more.
Average consolero will struggle too much otherwise.
Getting rid of forced crossplay is the best solution

[grand canyon]

I am convinced you are a spy working for the enemy!

[ornate acorn]

well RR just got nerfed a lot, so now we can nerf AA right?

[glossy forge]

AA isn't just a console issue. PC Aim Assist needs to be reduced as well so crossplay being off doesn't fix the problem

y'all gotta stop trying to use other issues to justify having insanely strong aim assist. Crossplay being on 100% of the time is an issue. Console FPS is an issue. Console & PC aim assist strength is an issue. They are 3 separate issues that don't fix each other at all.

(PSA, im a lifelong controller player and played console for 20+ years so i understand the viewpoints from both sides)

[dry walrus]

AA was nerfed before, also with taking away s curve. Nerf AA more and we wont be able to run anymore.

[glossy forge]

Rotational AA was not nerfed. Console still is at 60% and PC is still at 50%

The Dynamic response curve uses a version of the S Curve

[tulip mason]

Yea but console players aren't crying. It's the mkb boys throwing a fit about AA, so I mean put them with other PC players to reduce their chance of controller players, or do input based matchmaking. They might have low pop lobbies but at least they can bask in the mkb master race glory knowing no one has AA 😂

Then they will have to find other excuses when they get wooped

[grand canyon]

Your statement is invalid. The case we argue here is that the AA is too strong on controllers causing the skill gap between any player and a great player with significant aim skill being massively reduced. Put aside your mnk displeasure and think controller only. You think it's ok to have someone with low aim skill having the AA aim for him and even out the playing field with a high skill player who puts countless hours into the game to have that skill? I want to be aware I was "beamed from the sky" or killed under a second because the player I was up against is a great player, not assisted by the rotational aim assist. This is the case we are arguing. Not the master race vs. consoles, or the higher FPS if you have a beefy PC. And yes "console boys" and controller players who understand this are "crying".

[tulip mason]

Even with the AA how it is the good players rise to the top. I doubt bad players are winning games because of AA, good players and teams still come out on top.

[grand canyon]

I'm focusing on the aim aspect of the game. My friend who is not so good at the game and uses mnk tried playing it on the PS5 and was surprised how easier it was for him to get kills. This is what Seli also pointed out earlier as he also tried it. I also think it would be beneficial to any good controller player and more satisfying to play if his skill would give him an advantage as it should. I would compare this to an electrical bicycle race. I f you have the motor assistance where does your stamina come into play and why would you train 10x more than the average cyclist?

[tribal kestrel]

Can lower but just the visibility advantage is insane. Played few hours on PC again and it’s easy mode.

[grand canyon]

Did you play with a controller?

[tulip mason]

What do you mean visibility advantage?

[tribal kestrel]

I can see across the map inside buildings on PC were on PS5 barely can see two blocks away and not into darker areas. It’s because clear draw distance is much better on PC and using low settings gets rid of shadows.

Makes Protoning easy.

[ornate acorn]

yeah that also falls under another subject. we're talking about aim assist, not visual advantages tho. I've told them many times that consoles should have the options to turn off shadows as well because that'll increase performance nearly DOUBLE.

[tribal kestrel]

It’s about balance

[ornate acorn]

the thread is about AA

[tribal kestrel]

Lower AA

[potent jungle]

Really i don't get is any of u watching streams of pc players and how much sticky is their aim bcs im watching a lot and i play the game a lot and my aim is not like that i don't beam ppl i dont have the aim that they have and dont tell me skill issue its foolish

I dont care bro but its not console AA so strong pc players have more sticky aim but we cant accuse ppl without knowing but like i said i dont care is just a game and for me the guy that use cheats to win in game really i feel sorry for him bcs he dont get happines from hes life and he try to get happy from a game its just a poor guy

[ornate acorn]

it's HARD to beam people on MnK lol. controller is definitely easier. some people are also top players in other shooter games on controller and play and stream off the grid, like many MERC players. and others have no background of being the best at other shooter games but somehow are the best in off the grid within a short period of time.. which are the people I find sus.

[potent jungle]

There is streams to watch it and see and i understand that there will be some top players that they are awesome on aiming and movement but u tell me its weird that they all playing together (the top players) ??

[ornate acorn]

well typically top players play with other top players yeah. which is fine until they play together and hold hands to destroy the entire lobbies because it's usually a 3v1 most of the time sadly.

[potent jungle]

True

[tulip mason]

Oh that's lame af

[buoyant heath]

Mouse and keyboard are an advantage . I say keep it the same and actually allow non-cross play. But the numbers are so low because this game is dying they can’t do that. It’s a catch 22. Honestly F it BF6 is out in a couple days.

[ornate acorn]

saying mouse and keyboards are an advantage in OTG is kinda wild loll

[buoyant heath]

It’s not wild it’s math. Analog sticks have travel limits and acceleration curves; mice don’t. One’s bound by hardware, the other isn’t. when you remember M&K literally removes input smoothing, has near-zero deadzones, and offers per-pixel aim precision. It’s physics, not preference. @ornate acorn

[ornate acorn]

Not to be that guy.. but if you haven't experience both inputs as a casual as well as a competitive gamer then it's kind of hard to make a strong argument in this topic. I've given millions of reasons as well as facts in this thread and I'd rather not argue the same thing over and over again. If you want to scroll up to have a look then that sounds great to me.

[buoyant heath]

Experience doesn’t change the math, man. Analog has travel limits and input smoothing M&K doesn’t. You can debate preference, but you can’t debate physics. Ether way you can cry about it , looking at the amount of comments doesn’t look like it’s doing any good.

[ornate acorn]

i've already said many things upt there that people fail to understand and that's alright i guess. experience matters a lot in this subject. i've done the 'math' and 'physics' that you're talking about and have plenty of experience in this field. i'm sorry you can't understand and tend to resort to insults and anger. i guess this is the way to win arguments now sadly.

[buoyant heath]

Experience doesn’t override hardware constraints. You can be the best controller player alive and still be limited by analog range and input latency that’s not an insult, that’s measurable. @ornate acorn

Honestly pc players should just play with pc players or at least have to option to not have cross play on and problem solved but, like I said player count can’t sustain that so I guess your stuck. Id rather not play with PC players but we don’t have a choice ether so no one is winning here honestly.

[ornate acorn]

it depends on the game. #1 controller player can easily beat the #1 MnK player depending on the game. why do you think nearly every pro in COD and Apex use controller? weird how that works right? different games favor different inputs.

[winter lantern]

Everything @buoyant heath said and add the fact that you have more control and flexibility of hand and arm movement compared to your thumbs. There’s a reason it’s always evident someone is playing with MnK just by spectating gameplay. Most controller users have to have near perfect settings or aim assist to dream of such accuracy. Let’s be for real

And the fact controllers are readily available for PC but aren’t widely adapted also proves that point. Which is why every console user would rather not play against PC

Let’s not even bring up the flexibility you have getting access to 7 key inputs on a mounted surface which still reducing error due to unnecessary hand movements. Like cmon

[ornate acorn]

I don't believe you know how difficult and in depth aiming with a mouse actually is. On the outside, you see "Oh you can aim with your whole arm!" but it's more intricate than that. It comes down to grip style, mousepads, mouse dimensions, learning to aim with your arm, your wrist, your fingers. If you have a high sens, you sacrifice accuracy and precision. If you have a low sens, you sacrifice speed. You have to train these things to even become decent. You can't just grab a mouse and automatically become good. It takes so much time and even if you spend 1000 hours on aim training alone with a mouse, you'll still more than likely not have as good aim as a controller player would have even when that controller player doesn't train their aim. Aim Assist will help out tremendously.

[ornate acorn]

7 key inputs? You know you can get controllers with 14 different buttons as well as 2 analog sticks right?

[winter lantern]

But you have to grip it. And it’s slower to switch between keys than on a keyboard

I know it still has its learning curve for the MnK too but the accuracy in the long run has a higher ceiling

[ornate acorn]

You also have to grip a mouse. You have to learn tension management as well if you want smooth tracking. If you want to be precise you have to tense up a little bit. Too much and you'll enter a lockout period where you'll have very shaky and inaccurate aim for an amount of time.

[ornate acorn]

It has a higher skill ceiling, yes. But going back to my original point, it truly depends on the game that you are playing. Games with high aim assist on controller will prioritize controller players. COD, Apex, and OTG all have this. Games that rely on precise aim with no aim assist are like CSGO, Valorant, and Overwatch. It truly just depends on the game you are playing.

You seem to be a little more willing to understand than other people in this thread are, so I'm sure you know what I'm explaining or you're starting to understand at least. Which I very much appreciate and I do like to have civil conversations much more than one sided heated arguments.

[winter lantern]

I’ll have to see for myself tbh but I get what you saying. It’s been forever I’ve played on a PC so I can’t say much about it. It just seems like a better experience tracking with the mouse than analog but maybe it depends…

Maybe it does have a deeper learning curve too making it harder to learn

[ornate acorn]

Yeah I get it. I've played on both and have tried both in this game. Controller is much easier to pickup and aim with for sure. I've also spent over 200 hours just aim training in aim training apps on the PC and I still don't have tracking as good as a controller player. The learning curve is very steep for MnK. Most people can get good with MnK after some time, but they'll get capped out unless they focus on training their aim. (This also brings me to my other point as to why experience matters as well instead of just math and data)

Controllers are the devices that you can pick up and within a day you can be good enough to get a win and get 10+ kills a game. Of course, to be a top player you'll have to had played many hours on controller as well. That goes with any game and any input device. That's what happened for me at least and this is the only shooter game that I've played controller in. Rocket League is the only other game I've played with controller 😅

[winter lantern]

Yea I do okay with controller too it’s just hard to tell what’s raw skill these days or aimbots

And I won’t be bias to say most MnK players use cheats so I just believed it has to be better with tracking

[ornate acorn]

Yeah many definitely do use cheats. But it's usually either Cronus or ESP like wallhacks and stuff like that. And many controller players also use Cronus. I mean the top Apex Legends player used cronus for 3 seasons in a row on controller and just got banned for that. So many pros and top players use cheats as well sadly.

[buoyant heath]

Welp almost 1k comments here and it hasn’t changed so I guess get over it 🤷🏼‍♂️

Honestly sounds like @ornate acorn just wants an unfair advantage 😂 I hope they go to disable cross play feature and then you can play with all PC players and your argument would be for nothing.

[ornate acorn]

So then again, you refuse to understand what I'm saying and twist my words to make yourself seem better. I guess that's all you are able to result to. Me and @winter lantern had a perfect civil conversation where we both understood what each other were saying, yet you decide to lash out and spout nonsense over and over again. Yelling over the other person does not win arguments. I wish you and I could have a civil conversation, understanding both sides. I'm sorry you cannot do that.

@edgy bear maybe it's time to close this thread again 😅

Didn't say you're calling names. You're just deciding to ignore everything I say, twist my words to make yours sound better, decide to not have a civil conversation and veer off topic.

[buoyant heath]

So being civil, what do you think console has an upper edge over PC players?

[ornate acorn]

Yeah? Vekenstein, a top controller player from MERC, also complains about the aim assist being too strong.

[buoyant heath]

Again, you think console players have an advantage over PC is that what you’re saying?

[ornate acorn]

That's still not the right topic. AA needs to be decreased overall, not just on console. 35% for PC and 45% on Console would be most ideal.

[ornate acorn]

Controller players do, not console.

You do know that PC players can use controller as well, right?

[buoyant heath]

Like I said this game has WAYYY bigger problems 😂

[buoyant heath]

Nooooo really

[ornate acorn]

Yet this is the "Decrease AA" thread. Not a "optimization, weapon/limb balance, cheating" thread.

[buoyant heath]

Now let’s do a poll on why they would because I’m sure vast majority play with M&K and we all know that

[ornate acorn]

Then why're you trying to say what the game does and does not need if you obviously don't care and think the game is dead?

Honestly can't wrap my head around it

Why do you think this is a feedback thread? Things may or may not change. It's feedback and suggestions.

Okay I'm glad you think so 🙂

[edgy bear]

Starting to feel this thread has done its job.
Someone always derails it into personal attacks or a cheat discussion