#French Vassals too loyal and English vassals too disloyal

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peak geode
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As some of you might recall, I recently made a feedback post with roughly the same title, although that was immediately hijacked by members who claimed I 'wasn't playing properly', and that I would like to remind I have done an entire video series on the HYW where I won and posted it on Youtube before the current patch.

Well the problem has persisted. In this photo I am on my second war with the French, who's army is still double the size of mine due to vassals being so loyal to them, who's vassals are all still either at 60 or 70% loyalty, even with me spamming any possible spy interactions with them (mostly ruining their opinion of France), and had I not used a mod, all my vassals would still quit my side of the war within a month. disregarding this even, the enemy armies persistently throw themselves at mine and due to this dogpiling tactic because of all the extra men that they have usually it means that they win any battle that happens.

Either England needs some massive buffs in retrospect, or France needs massive debuffs.
It is not historical, and not fair to make the game do this.
Please fix.

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vivid cairn
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Challenge accepted

peak geode
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facepalm fine, but I forbid you to wait on the island with your armies or land anywhere but Calais.

peak geode
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Also no scutage.

gentle rampart
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just land a small bait army on that island off the western coast of france thats across the STRAIT from the mainland, occupy it, put a big army on a ship in a nearby sea zone, wait for the french doomstack to cross the strait onto the island and attack the bait, bring the army on the ships into the port of that island to instantly join the battle, then once the battle is won and the enemy army starts retreating, immediately bring the fleet out of the port into the sea zone to blockade the strait and instantly annihilate the army that is trying to retreat

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rinse and repeat until all french armies and mercs are annihilated. then freely occupy their lands and castles like its nothing and win the war

peak geode
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And no cheesing.*

untold quartz
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I see a pattern... any tactic that results in winning will be forbidden by OP to support his view

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All I did to win was to ally with the 2 strongest nations that rivaled France which in my case was Aragon and Spain. So it is possible without "cheesing"

peak geode
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No, i did that too and they didn’t join. Even when Castile joined, it didn’t get me far 💀

zealous comet
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I disagree, if you just win the first war the hyw is pretty winable

vivid cairn
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very winable, you just have to hurt france that first war, I even messed up and took a 100 stab hit

vivid cairn
gentle rampart
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cheesing is when you exploit games' mechanics, this is not an exploit, theres a trivial way to defend against that which is why it wont work in mp on players

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AI is just too dumb to play the game correctly

untold quartz
noble igloo
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he be kind of right though, particularly about the vassals

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they are uber loyal, and they should be less loyal

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and im not sure why the english ones are even getting involved; if they were in france itself maybe, and you should be able to keep aquitaine loyal

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to be truthful aquitaine is the only vassal that matters and that not being apart of the war can complicate things if you are using it as a staging ground

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the rest dont really matter tbh, the welsh guys never have ships to land and the pale can muster a whole two dudes to send on their one and a half boats

gentle rampart
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rather than 'its unwinnable' which is kind of bait in its own right since turbo hardcre players in this game have world conquered everything in couple of centuries as subsaharan tribes im sure people here dont see england as impossible to win as in the 100 y war

vivid cairn
peak geode
# gentle rampart rather than 'its unwinnable' which is kind of bait in its own right since turbo ...

Well maybe it is possible for turbo hardcore players, but the problem is that is exactly what i’m not. And also, historically speaking in general the real France would have struggled to get that many men on the field due to it’s vassals not being this loyal.
I do have an understanding of the mechanics, i know how to bait armies successfully; but the fact is that when i do, at least in this patch, another army joins, then another, then another until I’m outnumbered nearly 2 to 1 and lose.

Again, my view is that you shouldn’t have to play a certain way to achieve a certain goal; but imo the current patch just has too many roadblocks for me to consider winning the HYW as a fun challenge as it is. And that’s what i play games like this for, to have fun.
Not like my days playing Eu4 when i was a turbo player and got starts specifically so i could get the Burgundian inheritance.

peak geode
vivid cairn
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I did it simply and in a straightforward method

peak geode
vivid cairn
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if you have any questions feel free to hit me up

peak geode
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Ok, i’ll give you that; but then what I don’t get is why i’m facing up against 80,000 men all the time 🤔

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Perhaps i should rename this

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French Vassals too loyal and English vassals too disloyal

gentle rampart
vivid cairn
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I think the 100 years war really highlights the strength of decentralized, as it ramps up over the war the french vassals get more loyal, that being said I 100% take advantage of it to use a large number of vassals

spring bridge
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I don't know how to beat France without cheesing. What I don't understand is, even when I outnumber France 2:1 with my vassals and we are winning with 25% war score and going up, on mass all my vassals and allies peace out, and none of France's vasslas do. What's the mechanic behind English vassals seemingly deciding to opt out of the war alot more than the French? My vassals all tend to set at 100% loyalty, and close to 200 relationship with me.