VASSALS/FIEFDOMS ARE NOT ASSIMILATING CULTURE

[slim river]

That guys not the OP

The OP is actually off his rails

[zenith eagle]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/1-0-8-beta-fixed-an-issue-causing-ai-to-incorrectly-use-culture-assimilation-cabinet-action-in-locations-with-100-assimilation-speed-was-incorre.1881455/

this is the main bug report

[slim river]

Oh it started with the off the rails guy

[zenith eagle]

there's like 10-20 other people that reported it as duplicate or so

[zenith eagle]

hahahah

bro what

[slim river]

He got banned for saying everyone deserves to be fired there lol

[zenith eagle]

huh

this bug was reported

on the 22 november

[sour dragon]

Thank you.

[zenith eagle]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/enforce-culture-in-vassal-doesnt-seem-to-work-properly.1878390/

they already reported this in the beta of 1.0.8

oh wait nvm this anothe rissue

[zenith eagle]

this the og post of it tho

[sour dragon]

The game hasn't even been out for 2 months, to me - they have earned my trust as a developer to fix issues. I'm sure that they will get it back within the expected parameters. Just because it might be our top priority doesn't make it theirs - but I hope it gets resolved soon.

Sorry dude, you just triggered me when you took a crap all over the workarounds I gave you - and you called me a cheese player, assuming that you knew what I was doing in my campaigns.

[zenith eagle]

thing is rn there's really not one ver you can play without atleast several issues and that feels really frustrating especially when they decide it#s time to release another version that fixes other bugs and creates even new bugs

no the guy said something about the lines of "if you can become a big country with a 13k location and then convert the entire country to gothic then it can't be that big of an issue"

so I called the strat of sinking trebizond ships to kill off their army a cheese strat

[sour dragon]

And releasing vassals to enforce culture across your country isn't cheese? Sinking fishing ships with a navy is military strategy.

[zenith eagle]

wouldn't call it cheese since it's a normal game mechanic

sinking fishing ships is cheese strat that just abuses bad ai

[sour dragon]

I had 2 cabinet members until I had a 3rd from Renaisance techs, just like everyone else.

I didn't get more until I had taken the amount of land required to form an Empire.

So you made a lot of assumptions, incorrectly.

[zenith eagle]

isnt the requirement like 10 million

[sour dragon]

or 5 million primary culture pops.

[zenith eagle]

i see

papal states always has to give their opinion on everythin g

[sour dragon]

New Theodoro campaign from yesterday though. Very Hard mode, it's not a "free annex" byz. Especially when you start the game with 200 levies and less than 14000 pops total. Not an empire on day 1, and still have to play smart to win wars.

[zenith eagle]

i love the fact you have more pops than a brandenburg would in 1376

[sour dragon]

Harder to expand in Europe with all the Antagonism

[slim river]

It did take them 6 patches to fix inland exploration. That’s my biggest wtf so far

[zenith eagle]

well if we count hofixes... we are like what 7-8 in

for this

[zenith eagle]

take 3 locations and take ur 50 antagonism

[sour dragon]

Yep, and you have tons of tiny nations in Europe - making it harder to improve relations with everyone around. Much easier when it’s 20 or so larger nations.

[tame void]

i really hope we get back an auto tool to "improve relations with all my subjects" or "my neighbours" or "people who hate me the most". Like the eu4 macro option for diplo

i know technically is different because diplomats are a resource now, but dear god does diplo automation do an awful job

[sour dragon]

Yeah that would be a lot easier than trying to look at the antagonism map mode and figuring out who is darkest.

[ivory cape]

bro what

how did they earn your trust

by releasing unfinished game labeled as finished and struggling to fix basic stuff

or by fixing the basic stuff (actually breaking it more)

[sour dragon]

Doesn't really matter what I say - you won't agree and will likely argue, so I'm not going to rationalize it for you. It's fine that you disagree.

[ivory cape]

you are insane

[dry sleet]

Projecting and foreshadowing are literary techniq-

[stable swallow]

so a bug they caused by fixing something that wasn't really a big issue to begin with, one they could temporarily fix undoing said fix (wouldn't take long/resources) and the most voted current bug in the feedback thread channel isn't a priority? u don't see any issues there? genuine question

[sour dragon]

How do you know it isn’t a priority? If this was another developer like CA, I would be highly concerned. PDX will fix these issues, of that I’m not worried at all - until they give me a reason to start worrying. All the doom-posting and negativity is mind blowing. I know the game isn’t perfect, but it’s an amazing canvas that I know they will improve upon - like they have with all of their titles (Imperator aside).

[ivory cape]

if it was priority they would fix it 4 weeks ago

[zenith eagle]

i dont think they understand the bug

the bug was confirmed from them twice

?xd

[stable swallow]

You said it doesn't make it their priority, not me. Do you even read yourself? Taking into account what i said why isn't/shouldn't be a priority?, i was asking you a genuine question, idk what u r on about, try reading it again

Also how much of a priority does something need to be to just copypaste the line of code before the fix? cus that'd be more than enough for me at least while they come up with an actual fix. We are not being doomers here, at least not me, but idk why some of you think asking for a ctrl + c, ctrl + v is such a big ask in a span of three weeks

[fringe monolith]

the current state is better than the previous state, at least with live, I'm getting my vassals to convert especially later into the game

[zenith eagle]

the live? u mean 1.0.9?

[winter sage]

I don't think many people are worried that they won't fix these issues over time. but I'd say it's pretty ridiculous that with each passing patch, they seem to break just as many, if not more things than they end up fixing. and this has been the case for the past several even more so than the first few. that to me, is worrying.

not that I don't love PDX and hope the best for the game and the dev team, but still. gotta recognize problems when they exist

this particular bug sparked up such an ungodly amount of controversy and arguing that I'm more entertained a this point than anything, I witnessed that poor guy get banned for crashing out so hard in real time, in the thread

if they continue on this route, it'll take years until the game's in EU4 standards of polish (not that that game had a great launch either)

[stable swallow]

Later they get less maluses, specially if u go human i think, and thats what causes them not to convert, so it makes sense had that happen too

[stable swallow]

tbh the controversy or at least what gets me mad in this thread is the people making 30 billion excuses or trying mental gymnastics like workarounds or not calling it a bug to excuse an easy to fix bug that's been around for weeks...
the fact that they haven't adressed it yet tho not so much, i just do something else in the meantime
But if you create a feedback channel, and you have a lot of people complaining over an easy to fix bug over a span of weeks and it's not anywhere near a priority then maybe you should re evaluate your priorities, or just tell us feedback is useless so i can go play ck3 for a few months until everything works

[slim river]

This conversation is pointless which makes this so much more fun

[bright crest]

Actually, genuine gameplay question. How did you get your economy off the ground? I see that you annexed Stettin and smashed Wolgast, probably from the free CB, but which Pomeranian minor you get a CB on first is RNG

[zenith eagle]

There is a trick for brandenburg to get a lot of money relatively quick

u need to create ur own market

u'd go from like 1.5 profit to 5+

[bright crest]

Just in the capital, with the day 1 money?

[zenith eagle]

on berlin

u need to wait a few months

u can deman d alot of money from whoever uattack, just peace out everyone seperately with war reps + ducats

[bright crest]

Every time I consider it, I think “Stettin would be better” and want to wait until I conquer the place first

[zenith eagle]

costs like 180

once u move ur capital to berlin ur control will also get 3x better

since there is a road through half ur locations but ur capital is not connected to it (?xd)

[sour dragon]

I made a few co-belligerents in the war vs. Wolgast, took war reparations from everyone. I honestly didn’t build much aside from a few RGOs.

If I continued that campaign, the goal was to take the city of Magdeburg (spelling?), and make that the capital since it’s right at the head of 2 rivers.

[sour dragon]

I wasn’t aware initially that it was a confirmed bug. Once I was provided with the link, I ate crow and said thank you for the information. I’m not arguing that it’s not a bug anymore. (And I really wasn’t arguing that it wasn’t a bug to begin with, I was making a hypothesis based on the information that I had at the time)

As well as providing workarounds for people in the meantime of the most efficient/effective way to assimilate until it changes.

[zenith eagle]

assimilation fix today trust

[stable swallow]

i wasn't talking about you when i said that people were arguing that it wasn't a bug, there has been others in here saying some stupid shit. I appreciate the workaround, nothing of that paragraph was directed at you tho

[ivory cape]

No update today

gracias paradox

[slim river]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[dry sleet]

I still stand by that the bug isn’t game breaking or world ending.

(Thus there are other things Paradox should focus on like the Japanese daimyos being broken)

[fringe monolith]

No it's the fact they have 3 cabinet members I believe. I feel like it's generally 3rd in priority for them

[stable swallow]

this again... do you think trade companies can be fixed by copypasting a line of code? cus that's the issue here imo, you guys keep comparing it to inland exploration and stuff, those are much much much more complex bugs tho, idk if i'm talking to the wall at this point, no one said it was game breaking, or the biggest bug in the history of mankind, but is 10 times an easier fix than the bugs people have been comparing it to in here ._.

what is? trade companies isn't a 2 minute fix, so idk what u r on about

i'm not being defensive, i just don't understand the comparison

sure, but i believe the main complaint here has never been how impactful it is, but how easy a fix it'd be and the fact that it was more impactful than the thing it was supposedly fixing

also what are you, a child? i tell you the comparison is bad and you go personal on me?

Idk how is calling me stuff instead of arguing the issue personal? Gee i wonder

U missed the part that it was more impactful than the thing it was fixing, but at this point im done here

I said going personal, not calling me names, would that be part of the issue at hand instead then?

Wjen you started talking about my stance instead of the problem at hand, google what personal is

A stupid convo apparently, cya

Nice escaping forward, it went from it wasn't personal to, it wasn't that personal, u r soft! The moment you focus on people instead of the problem at hand u mud the convo and it doesnt add anything but animosity, doesnt have to do with how soft i am, but at thid point idk why im here, dropping the discord, hope bug getd fixed byeee

[zenith eagle]

uh

who did urepsond to?

it got deleted

[sour dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hader-eating-popcorn-keith-morrison-dateline-snl-gif-25666169

[sour dragon]

I still don't see that there is an issue past the early game with assimilating via vassals. By 1500 all of my vassals are assimilating when I enforce culture on them. Early game it is definitely a slog. If they released the game this way, and didn't say "it's a bug", I would have assumed it was intended. By 1500 I'm able to have almost all of Anatolia & most of Balkans as Gothic culture.

[pale oxide]

I beg of you, stop typing please

don't feed more posts to this thread, any more it will become a lovecraftian horror and consume us all

[sour dragon]

You can turn off notifications.

[ivory cape]

no

[pale oxide]

I've warned you all, may the unnameable one show mercy on us all

[winter sage]

well you see.. as a small comparison, in my byzantium game, by 1550 I had converted all of anatolia, all of the balkans up to slovenia, all of egypt, most of syria/lebanon and even a portion of iraq and sicily. there were by 1600 over 19 million greeks in the world

is that balanced or intentional? separate point. however, the bug is the fact that your vassals, for the last time, only convert to either religion or culture if they have almost no malus to it. if you went humanist in that run, that is literally why you managed to start converting culture through them, as you likely hit >100% humanism and released vassals/had enough cultural influence on top of that by that date. (released vassals inherit the ruler’s values and estate privileges. they can still wander off and eventually do their own later, but they start with yours)

again, this wouldn’t be a problem if this wasn’t a literal bug submitted by one of the most respected members in the OG EU community, and/or we had a way available to actually tweak the issue. we don’t, because it’s one of the few AI behaviors curiously hardcoded into the game’s engine

[zenith eagle]

its ok guys

today it will be fixed.

[ivory cape]

I accept bets

How many patches until bug will be fixed:
Over 1,5: x1.16
Under 1,5: x3.48

[zenith eagle]

wel

we gto a patch

5 lines of patch notes gg

last patch before they put the beta live

[ivory cape]

it took them 5 days from last patch to change amount of needed provinces to form germany?

gracias paradox

i swear they are gooning 24/7 at paradox office

there is no other explanation

70 euro game btw

[ivory cape]

also these 5 lines were supposed to be 2 different patch notes, paradox at its peak

[winter sage]

they've edited the notes. there were 2 or 3 changes to the post

[zenith eagle]

weird tho

so little changes for 2 days

they're workign on the dlc already?

[ivory cape]

I bet they will not fix the issue for 1.0.10 live

[winter sage]

sadly if the previous patches are anything to go off of, they won't. it doesn't even really seem like they acknowledge the issue much or at all whenever it's brought up despite confirming it in the bug thread. if I were to guess it's just not a priority for them

[zenith eagle]

i honestly don't think they understand the issue

[dry sleet]

I honestly don’t think the issue is that bad.

[sterile olive]

can this PLEASE be fixed before everyone goes on christmas break, my god

[zenith eagle]

real

[ivory cape]

real

maybe we need 10 more posts on forum about this, with every single one getting reply „Unfortunately it is not clear what the issue is as we could not reproduce it”

i swear they are not playing the game themselves because like 90% of bug reports gets this copy paste ahh reply

[slim river]

QA absolutely does not play the game in all likelihood. They are outsourced and no reason to believe that they would just happen to be players