This is more realistic climate for the region
#Artic is not correctly representative in finland
hexed rain
Also trade goods, there should be more wheat in these areas due to the climate and it was historically rich agriculture land in many history books and wikipedia
Due to institution spread of knowlledge how to farm efficienctly and finnic people getting tools for farming that it started population boost during 1400, and second population growth wawe came when potatos got importet to finland in 1600-1700
Artic is not correctly representative in skandinavia
Artic is not correctly representative in finland
undone prism
Here's the latest climate map we got in the Map Feedback on Sept 1, showing the climate appears to be actually slightly more arctic in Finland and a fair bit more in Norway/Sweden
hexed rain
You would still expect this to be most minimal representation
Looking how its done in swedish coast
Current logic this is what sweden should look like
If we reverse this sicuation
Also when you think that sweden never had much more pop than finland, so making this climate differency absurd
In also ingame
In wikipedia in 1300 this is known wheat farmland
Thats rich with agriculture
And in wikipedia it says entire west finland was rich farmland
Also the massive amounts of rivers in coast improved the farming and food producktion in the western and southern coast
Also there should be few hills with russian border and in the middle of finland
ebon crown
They are just using the Köppen–Trewartha climate classification from 1901-1925, since it's the closest data to 1337
hexed rain
They are just using the Köppen–Trewartha climate classification from 1901-1925, ...
Even in that the coast has more dept inland with the continental climate
Also how can artic be rich agricultural land??
That doesnt make sence, when in many history books the west coast in 1300-1400 is rich in agrigultural, but artic wirh -75% modifier kinda denies any agricucltural reality
hexed rain
"Sweden had several cities in 1400, including Stockholm, which was the most important city and officially recognized as the capital in 1436, and Turku (now in Finland, but part of the Kingdom of Sweden at the time"
Having a city on this timeline implies on big food production on its surrounding countryside
ebon crown
Stockholm wouldn't be considered a city in the game
tranquil coral
Having a city on this timeline implies on big food production on its surrounding...
I mean... look at the RGO mapmode
hexed rain
I mean... look at the RGO mapmode
Its wood only
Last time i saw rgo mapmode of it
And singular wheat
And 3 fish
That was about it
On the southwest coast there should be aprox 3-4 wheat locations, and more wild games pushed more inland
And 2-3 more furs inland
Inland there is also hills, same on the east border where ruka skiing hills are
Due to the sudden change in elevation
The hills are like proper hills
Iron in the Renaissance
Production: Iron production in Finland began in the 1530s or 1540s, largely from bog iron ore.
Significance: This marked the start of domestic iron mining, with operations at the Ojamo iron mine starting in 1530.
slate python
First off, that's the old climate map you're referencing. The feedback result is posted here:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/tinto-maps-11-scandinavia-tinto-extra-maps-1-north-atlantic-feedback.1857606/
and looks like this:
Secondly, this is the climate map for 1901-1930. Global temperatures in 14th-15th century are much more akin to the 1901-1930 climate, than modern climate, and Norway/Finland are regions that have seen a huge northern shift in where the continental/arctic distinction is https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/tinto-maps-11-19th-of-july-2024-scandinavia.1695964/post-29780921
Regarding Hills, your map cuts off at 200 metres elevation. That is not a lot at all. You can mess all you want with elevation color distinctions and exaggerated hillshade, but 200 metres is barely a hill, especially on the size we're appreciating the landscape here.
Considering 'the sudden change in elevation', the dropoff is very limited. The hills themselves rarely exceed 50 metres in prominence, especially on regional scales.
Paradox wanted to go with a standardised metric, which eliminates subjective interpretations of what is and isn't a hill. I provided the elevation+TRI as indicative metrics. By these metrics even large parts of the Ardennes are flatlands, so Finland isn't the only region where the hilliness is deemed insufficient.
I personally would have loved for a 'rolling hills' category, in between flatlands and proper hills, to have a bit more granularity. Unfortunately that didn't make the cut (imo in part due to the graphical assets they require).
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/tinto-maps-11-19th-of-july-2024-scandinavia.1695964/post-29780894
I absolutely believe the terrain categories could see some modifier adjustments, but that's another discussion imo
hexed rain
First off, that's the old climate map you're referencing. The feedback result is...
Its that, when you dont have high elevation, the artic vs non artic on coast shoulnt be just 1 location off the coast
hexed rain
Regarding Hills, your map cuts off at 200 metres elevation. That is not a lot at...
It might not seem to be alot, but it does affect on foot soldier battles when there is sudden hill you need to have battles on
And not have it=to flatland
As its not flatland
slate python
It might not seem to be alot, but it does affect on foot soldier battles when th...
of course, but that's true for every location on the map. The battle of Azincourt was decided due to a slight topography and woods, but that place is absolutely flatlands
slate python
you got any stats to back that up? because as I demonstrated, the topography really isn't that rugged overall
hexed rain
Also there wasnt 2km high ice top of france
That made these elevation changes
During 10000 bc
slate python
the glaciers scoured everything flat, then isostasy rose everything up again
same is true for large parts of Russia, sure there is topography, but it isn't all that rugged overall
of course there are local ridges, but I don't agree it's anywhere near close enough to transform locations into hills
personally I'd be down for a 'lakelands' topography type to demonstrate the lake density with small outcrops that make it difficult terrain
(which could also be used for Northern Canada)
hexed rain
the flat land is just wrong rn, due to you cant make farms in these locations
what flat land suggest it can
hexed rain
you got any stats to back that up? because as I demonstrated, the topography rea...
we can go there today and see its not much taller than a trees length, the edges of field
similar landscape is in estonia like 1 to 1
thats in agincourt
the change in elevation is not higher than 1 trees lenght
slate python
I'm not meaning that Southern Finland's topography is similar to Azincourt, I just meant that you don't need a lot of topography for it to be important in a battle
hexed rain
sure you dont, but its significant in middle parts of finland what i am saying, i am not referring to southern finland
southern finland is flat land
and all the coastal
slate python
in that regard, it's imo important to equate these things to a standard methodology across the world. The ruggedness of Southern half of Finland is not that crazy. Most of eastern Sweden ismmore rugged than those parts of Finland, when measured objectively
hexed rain
slate python
so yes, they are the regionally most rugged parts of Finland, but in the grand scheme of things of a global classification, it really isn't that significant
hexed rain
what image is the last one?