Ask... Ukrainians or Rusyns?

[drifting terrace]

I did some cursory reading, and it suggested that by the 18th century Russians were called great Russians, ukrainians called little Russians, and rusyn wasn't counted because of its geographic and political isolation from the empire. There should be some rusyn in kiev, but they'd be a minority.
Based on how you ended the post I suspect you have quite the pro Russian bias. Chill out man.

[eternal lark]

Russians were called ...
by who

[twilit belfry]

I am Polish, and I consider Ukraine and Russia to be countries hostile to Poland. Your assumptions are so hopeless that I assume propagandists have brainwashed you. Because nothing negative can be said about Ukraine, as you're immediately seen as supporting Putin. You are crazy people. I do not and will never support the enemies of my country. Glory to Great Poland! hahaha

[drifting terrace]

Jesus, why is everything and anything regarding the history of the eastern slavs a landmine

Opinion discarded with that attitude 🙄

[eternal lark]

napoleon and his consequences

[twilit belfry]

It's simply embarrassing that you can't say anything about the "world saviors" without being called a Russian sock and a Putin supporter.

[drifting terrace]

I never called you either of those.

[twilit belfry]

I'm more interested in historical facts, not the garbage like the Russians built Rome and Jesus was Ukrainian. Please don't attack, just present the facts. Because maybe I'm wrong.

[eternal lark]

Jesus was Albanian

[twilit belfry]

"Based on how you ended the post I suspect you have quite the pro Russian bias. Chill out man." - No?

[drifting terrace]

And those aren't the same claims now are they?

Look, to answer the OP, if you look at scholarship after the fall of the soviet union, it's debated if there was ever a common east slavic language. Ukrainian as a language predates the conquest of the lithuanians and polish if one looks at features of it. It's likely this area held the progenitors of modern ukrainian inasmuch as the culture in mucovy represents modern russian.

[cloud hornet]

Where do you see that there is a 'Ukrainian' culture? The maps I can find, they are splintered into many different cultures?

[drifting terrace]

from https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/tinto-maps-20-the-steppes-feedback.1763612/, there is a Ruthenian culture.

[eternal lark]

isnt ruthenian mostly unified?

[drifting terrace]

Looks like it

[twilit belfry]

It doesn't matter at all. Your talking points are the same, the meaning is the same, the only difference is the words you use: pro-Russian, Russian agent, supporting Putin, Russian bootlicker, speaking the Russian narrative, Kremlin propagandist, and so on. Please stop.

[drifting terrace]

Jesus drop that point. I made one comment and you keep going on and on about it. You're clearly inventing some strawman about what I'm saying.

[cloud hornet]

is ruthenian = ukrainian? Or what is the argument, I don't get it

[eternal lark]

ruthenian is an old timey term for ukranian yeah

[cloud hornet]

Oh okay

[twilit belfry]

for rusyns no ukrainian 🙂

[drifting terrace]

How about this, bring some supported claim here first if you're challenging what's presented, then we can discuss that.

[twilit belfry]

If they've improved it, and I saw the old map, then there's no issue. I just remembered and wrote out of curiosity.