Georgia flavour afterthoughts

[near roost]

1. It would be quite interesting to give Georgia "Heathen Royal Marriages" like Trebizond from EU4. Historically, Georgian princesses regularly married into Seljukid and other Islamic dynasties during this time period (e.g. Kaykhusraw II). David VI of western Georgia was even an agnate of the Seljukid dynasty (though the reigning king of all-Georgia in 1337 is patrilineally a Bagratid). This also ties into the fact that Georgia basically starts out with a guaranteed Mamluk alliance.

2. I would also suggest giving Georgia a Burgher (Mokalakeni) privilege regarding the Genoese merchants present in coastal western Georgia. Perhaps increasing opinion between the two states while also buffing the market access and trade power of both in Tbilisi and Kaffa. Perhaps even creating a building based country as a Genoese vassal in these locations would also be great.

3. Georgian rulers' heirs should be localised as "Batonishvili" (lit. son of the lord).

Thank you!

[trail hemlock]

1. I think in general Christians should be able to marry other religions and vice versa (assuming Marriage is still mostly like EU4)
   Seeing how different PU mechanics are in this game I'd hope that's what they're going for
2. Kinda like what Theodoro and Trebizond start with in EU4, right?

[near roost]

1. Yeah, no. The overwhelming majority of Christian lords and sovereigns didn't marry outside their religion. This is something specific to a border-realm like Georgia and Trebizond.

2. Yeah, basically, but a mostly positive estate privilege.

[brave flume]

regarding 1, isn't this just because of distance though?

it could be something like you can only royal marry with other religions if youre close to them

[near roost]

Most certainly not

There were huge theological implications to marrying a non-Christian as a Christian male

I think it might be completely unprecedented in European history for a Christian ruler to marry a Muslim

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That’s true but also shouldn’t there be catholic protestant even orthodox to some extent marriage restriction

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Iberia

[near roost]

The Orthodox typically didn't marry Catholics and vice versa but the stigma attached to such acts was nowhere near as great as with marrying Muslims

[near roost]

I can't think of even a single example of a Hispanic king marrying a Muslim, and even if there were such instances, they prove that it was an exception to the rule more than anything.

but either way

Georgia is a specific case of a Christian state on the periphery of Christendom

Al-Andalus was the opposite, a predominantly-Muslim polity on the periphery of Islam

Christian women were regularly wed to Muslim men but never vice versa

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True but Catholic Protestant marriage was a thing

Had bad stigma

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It tended to be minor nobles the

Tbf

[near roost]

In Islamic jurisprudence Muslim women are forbidden from marrying Christian or Pagan men

I don't know what you're talking about

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Wait unrelated but I think a negative acceptance modifier would make sense tbh

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Same in Catholicism at the time with non Christian’s

But people did it anyway

[near roost]

Believe it or not this thread used to be about Georgia

Why are we talking about Iberia

[near roost]

Extremely rare exceptions only serve to prove the rule

[lilac arrow]

I’m aware but I think it shouldn’t be prohibited, as in Georgia shouldn’t be the omit one able to

[near roost]

It was literally prohibited at the time so IDK

Georgia as a case of its own was with Christian women marrying Muslim men

Often due to external pressure

This never happened in western Europe

like ever

[trail hemlock]

Banu Casi (sons of Cassius) were such a Basque dynasty
Except they converted to Islam so it probably doesn't count for your example

[cursive birch]

True but muslim men can marry jews and christians and hopefully this will be a feature