#One Day Rerun Banners

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lost flint
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The upcoming anniversary reruns only lasting for one day is a really bad design for new players, for a lot of reasons.

  1. Older players know which reruns they want to pull for, new players don't. With only one day to pull on a character there's no time for new players to get advice from the community, and even after making the choice to pull they won't have the savings of an older player and may have to rush to earn as much as they can before their desired banner ends. Players also might start partway through the patch when the collab event starts, or as word of mouth spreads news about the anniversary, meaning they'll miss many of the reruns.

  2. On the same note, Ethereal Core rewards aren't all given out on day 1, the banners start with older units but there's still a chance you may not earn all the cores by the time a specific banner arrives.

  3. As has been mentioned elsewhere, the combined wheel+awakener banners make it difficult to target what you want, and BIAV already acknowledged and apologized for this as a design mistake in version 2.4. Doing the same thing after previously issuing an apology makes the apology look like a lie to appease upset players rather than an actual admission of a mistake.

junior sorrel
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Genuine quetion ,did the old rerun system did that good for them to implement them again despite promising to make changes?

lost flint
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I don't think they ever did implement them, they changed them before release

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At least, that's what it sounds like from the apology post. It reads like it was made before 2.4 went live

junior sorrel
graceful kraken
# junior sorrel Oh ,any veterans tell how the banners were?

On second ani.
There were 8 arc2 units reruns.
Daily and they were rotating so on day 1 was for example GDoll and it would continue to swap every day, until you reach day 9 where it was GDoll again.

This half ani is this but on a much much bigger scale.

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Tldr.

Bro just play the game I've seen people in less than 2 days be for some reason at god damn chapter 5 (arc 1) like holy shit these people are benching it

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As for the 3. One

It's only bad if you are a person who indeed wants to target.

But if you want to get both even once. It's a good banner.

lost flint
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Oh hey, it's Crowlov here to dismiss criticism again...

graceful kraken
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Ok I won't speak.

lost flint
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On 3, if the banners have no other SSR content on them at all you're not wrong. But their description specifies the guarantee is after getting two limited SSRs of one type. If there are still standard items in the pool then the banners just aren't good. If it only takes 90 pulls max to get at least one copy of the character and wheel that's not bad, but I'm not alone in assuming you won't be guaranteed a featured item every 30 pulls. It still makes pulling Enlightens/OE awkward if you get too many wheels since Awakener dupes after e3 are a lot more valuable than Wheel dupes after w3, but that's not as big of an issue.

Honestly the main reason I made this post is the one day rotation though. New players just don't have time to figure out if they want or should pull for a daily character until the next one replaces them, and with this many I don't see them rotating more than once.

lost flint
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although, if it's 33/66 character/wheel like the Kaleido banner then it's still not great even with only the two items in the pool, especially if you're trying to pull lots of characters you don't have and don't want every single wheel

lost flint
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and as Lens pointed out with some math elsewhere, because the Wheel guarantee can kick in to keep you from getting too many characters in a row, the average pulls per character is higher than it would be on a regular banner where the guarantee only increases your odds instead of averaging them

proud phoenix
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<@&1166257943742787615> Please put this into consideration thank you

alpine snow
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沒有人罵就在裝死

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真的死性不改

thick patrol
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to add on, like what OP mentioned i think that

  1. having regular banners instead of combined is better for both old and new players.

let players choose to pull for character or their signature wheel.

  1. please also change the rotating banners to allow players to choose 1 character / wheel out of the list of reruns each day

this will be more player friendly, and players don’t have to wait up to 3 weeks to pull for the unit they want

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why is history repeating itself dead

strong sleetBOT
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阿幻

由於多種原因,即將到來的周年紀念重播只持續一天,對於新玩家來說確實是一個糟糕的設計。

1。年長的玩家知道他們想要進行哪些重播,而新玩家則不知道。由於只有一天的時間來吸引角色,新玩家沒有時間從社區獲得建議,即使在選擇吸引角色之後,他們也不會擁有老玩家的積蓄,可能不得不在他們想要的橫幅結束之前急於賺取盡可能多的錢。玩家也可能在合作活動開始時或隨著週年紀念消息的口耳相傳而開始補丁,這意味著他們將錯過許多重播。

2。同樣,以太核心獎勵並非全部在第一天發放,橫幅從較舊的單位開始,但當特定橫幅到達時,您仍然有可能無法獲得所有核心。

3。正如其他地方所提到的,組合式輪子+喚醒器橫幅使得很難瞄準您想要的目標,BIAV 已經承認並為此道歉,認為這是 2。4 版本中的設計錯誤。在先前道歉後做同樣的事情,會讓道歉看起來像是為了安撫心煩意亂的球員的謊言,而不是真正承認錯誤。

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lost flint
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Well, my second point was pretty spot on. We're only getting 100/250 Ethereal pulls at the start of the event and the rest aren't available til half the reruns are already over. This could have been such a great patch but it's ruined by poorly thought out decisions that make the player experience worse with no real gain for the game or company.

junior sorrel
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Its just sad that there will be no change ,ill just try for xu and thais ,good luck guys

lost flint
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I've spent money on this game before, and would absolutely considering spending more but the company just doesn't seem to respect my business. They need to get their shit together or they're going to lose customers and the game absolutely can't afford that. As it stands, without the devs showing meaningful signs of change I'll use the extra prime we get this patch and won't be spending money again.

rotund python
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@zinc agate
I know you are well aware of the community sentiment by now. There's barely 29 hours at this moment to address the points.

With each announcements, the rotating banner gets worse.

  1. 180 hard pity for 1 awakener
  2. Free pulls not being available for the initial few characters
  3. 24 hours fomo
  4. New players who join midway during anni are not even given a chance to pull for the earlier banners.

Why is it always 2 steps forward and 2 steps back? The rewards are so good but the banner execution is terrible.

Don't make an apology that's not even true anymore.

I'm not even angry at this point.

I'm just disappointed.

@round glade @grim spruce

languid birch
languid birch
# rotund python <@1487626955791663208> I know you are well aware of the community sentiment by ...

(numbers are rounded to the nearest integer for readability)

Normal Character and Wheel Release/Rerun Banners:

Average pulls per character copy = 42
Hard pity per character copy = 90

Average pulls per wheel copy = 30
Hard pity per wheel copy = 60

Moonless Guide (for comparison):

Average pulls per limited character copy = 30
Hard pity per limited character copy = 60

Average pulls per specific limited character copy = 120
Hard pity for a specific limited character copy does not exist

Half-Anniversary Rotating Banners:

Average pulls per character copy = 66
Hard pity per character copy = 180

Average pulls per wheel copy = 66
Hard pity per wheel copy = 180

Average pulls for EITHER a character copy OR a wheel copy (random) = 33
Hard pity for EITHER a character copy OR a wheel copy (random) = 60

cinder grove
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The current way the banners are is actively disuading me and I'm assuming many others from spending, because why would I want to pull on banners that are actively trying to siphon pulls from me? There's no reason to spend money because there's going to be no good banner to pull on.

lost flint
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The paid pack for 250 has double disincentives to buy, since the banners aren't good and you also can't even use the pulls until half the banners are over

lost flint
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actually, 75% of the banners. I was counting from the start of the Saya event, but you can't complete it to finish the Ethereal Core rewards until June 6th

ebon crow
weak cosmos
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If there isn't time to switch to separate banners, maybe tinker with the rates & guarantees so at least this combined banner is really good

ebon crow
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they're prolly gonna pretend the elephant doesn't exist on this one.

vague mango
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I didn't notice the 33/67 so it's more around 11:12 if you want both

sly halo
proud phoenix
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Bump

grim spruce
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Based on what everyone's been discussing, the main points are these two, rightBrown_think ?

  1. Either separate the banners or boost the rates / pity on the combined banner.
  2. Change "daily rotation" to "pick your own each day."
    I'll pass that along to my team.

As for resources: before May 30th rolls around, you'll be able to get 100 pulls.

vagrant rain
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and can lose your rate up to any of the rerunning characters or standard units

lost flint
# grim spruce Based on what everyone's been discussing, the main points are these two, right<:...

That's basically it, the short duration of the banners making it harder for players to get what they want, and the rates compared to normal banners.

The resources are an issue because the last 150 pulls (from both the regular and paid event rewards) aren't available until after many of the reruns will have already ended. If the reruns became selectable that would no longer be a problem, but as it is now a lot of the pulls being given or sold for the event can't be used for many of the reruns.

thick patrol
sly halo
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🥀 its been less than 24 hours

junior sorrel
thick patrol
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so. what will be done this time ?

junior sorrel
thick patrol
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i’m disappointed in the devs

weak cosmos
# thick patrol i’m disappointed in the devs

so am I. They knew that the community didn't like the combined banners and actively changed them half a year ago. now - nothing, no acknowledgement at all. The way the combined banners work isn't favourable to anyone, and with separated banners I'd pull a lo more to get the wheel +12 as well for some of the awakeners I already have maxed out.

thick patrol
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thick patrol
graceful kraken
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Devs want money. That's my bet.

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And honestly with the silver prime convergence. Light though it would be a sufficient trade off.

But now I'm just theorising

weak cosmos
# graceful kraken Devs want money. That's my bet.

obviously, but they apologized last time and separated the banners. I just expected more after all those promises of improved communication etc. I used to give BIAV the benefit of the doubt, but for a celebration event, this is shattering all my goodwill. I'm quite a 🐳 myself, but I still need good value to spend. So since my Pollux is +12 already, I will not whale for his wheel on this kind of banner, simple as that. The community discourages any new player to pull more than a single character copy - or even at all if not wheel & character are really good - that can't be more profitable than "get 4 mouchette copies".... No, really super disappointed, they know they can do better and keep screwing up.

thick patrol
# graceful kraken And honestly with the silver prime convergence. Light though it would be a suffi...

idk what is the team doing tbh, if anything this half anni has the most pay 2 win packs / quests to date

mid - high spenders won’t have an issue since they have sliver conversion

but for new players this entire anni is either a trap to make them impulsively spend (which i highly detest this extent of monetisation) or not spend at all after witness all the drama on shitty daily banner, 300 pure core upgrade, ethereal cores in paid packs

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and morimens staff being selectively silent is also not a good look either for their work ethic and reputation

vital ravine
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Imho as a relative newbie (less than 2 months played) who reinstalled around a month ago, these rerun banners leave the biggest sour note in my mouth.

I'm the type of person to go for max constellations on a unit I really like, and not only does this banner structure not give me time to keep pumping out pulls from content to use, but it also forces me to end up whaling on something I do not wish to get: copies of the wheel of destiny. And to make things worse, since I want a unit that's before Saya's story full release, I simply don't get 150 of the Anni's 250 promised pulls to use for my character. Like... what?

Granted, I'm not that big of a spender so I suppose my input is of not much value in the grand scheme of things, but I came into the Anni expecting to spend 50 or more euro and now feel like I shouldn't spend a dime.

woeful cape
thick patrol
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royal spindle
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I might not be adding much to the conversation but to be honest, if it wasn't "one day rerun" banners, I would've pulled a lot to upgrade my teams for the current raid event and probably spent more too :(

thick patrol
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many of us feel that way.. dont worry

amber warren
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yup
I wanted to go all in pollux banner
but since it's one day, and Awaker/wheel, I won't be able to pull cause I'm away that day.
Smart move devs
smart move ...

winter kindle
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I just wanna know what decision prevented them from just making it a selector banner. you could even keep the "daily" thing if that's so important, by just making it so you can change banners once a day.
Then split wheels and characters like literally every gacha does and it's fixed. This stuff isn't hard to figure out. It's not even like that would decrease spending or anything. The monetisation philosophy of this game continues to elude me, it seems increasingly like the devs are afraid of making too much money on accident or something

junior sorrel
# winter kindle I just wanna know what decision prevented them from just making it a selector ba...

Yesss And some say these banners are for making money... like what whales are gonna spend regardless ,if they wanted a charcter they'll go for oe or aa ,they dont care about rates.

If the banners were good and sepeate as many suggested more dolphins/less spenders would pay to get specific charater to oe or wheels to e3 etc ,since they only want specific things like only dupes or wheels they wont spend money now with these banners.

Point if my logic is wrong guys but imho if the banners are good many low spenders would have bought packs to pull on rerun banners,resulting in more money.(i have seen many say they thought of buying packs but decided not to after seeing these scam banners)

*Did these type rerun banners worked really great that they bought them again? If its true then my opinion can go to hell im wrong and all power to devs i guess

hearty dew
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Afaik, many people are pulling on Daily banners and Kaleido despite them being subpoptimal, cause of fomo and lack of options. So it kinda works for Devs i guess

winter kindle
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I don't think it's for money. Basically nothing about this game is particularly well monetised, especially for a gacha game, and this current fiasco is just another instance of that.

That being said, it's not like the packs have worse value just because the banner is bad

winter kindle
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Let's be real, 95% of players aren't interested in getting their units E12, most won't even go to OE, so for those people (Like me) the Kaleido banners are honestly, fine. They have the nice addon of not having to consider the "what if next rerun banner has better units" question, because this one has all of them and you can plan out your future pulls based on which ones you get here. I got G Murphy and Corposant, and I like Corposant a lot so I'll try to get a team that's fun with her (admittedly, Aurita is all she actually needs). I really don't mind the Kaleido banners for that reason

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the daily banner though, is terrible specifically because it does still allow for standard characters

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if you had a slim chance of getting a different limited character, most medium accounts and small time spenders would go "oh well, I'll take that chance". But if there's a chance of standard characters it's a whole other thing

junior sorrel
winter kindle
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standards are so easy to come by normally that although they're actually useful, getting spooked is still really frustrating

winter kindle
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it's probably largely people in my general situation but without the necessary insight/prior experience to look in the banner terms first

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Also 100 pulls is like a drop in the ocean in this game Imma be honest

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I did more than 1000 pulls in my first month of playing, full f2p

junior sorrel
junior sorrel
royal spindle
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Yeah I'm not going to lie, I did pull on the Kaleido because for me everything was kind of an upgrade anyway, it was either getting new units because I was still lacking 3 of them (and got 2 of them so that was extremely lucky), or upgrading those I already had. I have now some char close to OE4 that I would like to focus on their next rerun, and got some wheel upgraded too so I won't complain. I would've liked to focus some of them if we had the daily banner rotating like the 2nd anniversary tho, like for example with the Kaleido my Vortice went from E3 to OE2, being that close to OE4 I would 100% go for it if it was available

winter kindle
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btw, regarding the monetisation thing I said earlier.

One other thing that's just odd about that in this game is, that, not including the first purchase bonus, buying silver for 50$ gives you 3280, and 100$ gets you 6480. Anybody capable of doing basic maths will realise that buying silver for 50$ twice is better than for 100 once. That's the opposite of how it usually goes.
It is also the only outlier tbf the others all give more silver/$ the more you spend

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oh, also purchases are made in home currency based on current exchange rate to US dollars, so if you live in a place with relatively unstable currency you may get more or less silver for your money depending on the day

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but this has nothing to do with the rerun banners anymore, sorry for the tangent everyone

thick patrol
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weak cosmos
hearty dew
thick patrol
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