📜 V2.5.0 版本前瞻·下┊Version Outlook - Part Ⅲ

[lilac basin]

difficulty is already spiking

[tiny thicket]

its same as expressing fears that genshin or wuwa will release characters that require E6 for finction properly which never happened. So y`all sh*t on biav just becuase you are afraid that MAYBE in the future they will release powercreep AA character, while your fears based on nothing? K cool

[lilac basin]

and ye

[ivory yew]

Then you pull 1 copy and leave it as background unit 🙂‍↕️

[fading hollow]

(uhvash dmg was big back then)

(back then 🙁 )

[tawdry hearth]

We do a little bit of shitposting

[lilac basin]

with AA actually incresae damage ceiling, good change we will see even more rampant powercreep

[muted sage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026889413495636068/1401229105298669671/GIF_20250802_115203_242.gif

[lilac basin]

Liz was top dps back then

-# at launch

[fading hollow]

i still remember when i use uhvash to clear ch2 hm

[lilac goblet]

Thanks tea

[fading hollow]

i miss the ai translated time

so sad morimens eos soon

[obsidian dome]

I unfortunately played a bit of the gacha games. Claiming the upcoming events, dtide, main story will require fully duped to have decent experience is nonsense.

[grizzled oxide]

I really don't understand. It's too bad that the double bird has always been very strong but has been strengthened to the greatest extent... I think this is an impact on the current intensity environment of the game. This mode has been terrible since it was proposed. If only free characters were added, it would be considered a thing of the past, but now the gap between krypton players and ordinary players has been further widened. Even players who like some characters and draw +12 are unfair compared with some greatly strengthened characters. It's really the worst mode.

[muted sage]

AiSavedMorimens

[lilac basin]

too much beatnig aroun the bush
yeah the fear of pwc is real, but its not the sole reason we're this pissed
its also this

they fucking lied

may you find eternal happiness in naraku, BIAV

[barren sky]

I also don't think the game will require +12 for the bare minimum in the near future but it is such a valid concern to have when the +12 buffs are so crazy. Also, I've also played my fair share of gachas and morimens is by far the most reliant on dupes. Which they said they'll change.

Which they didn't change.

[muted sage]

Who agrees all AA should be on the same powerlevel of Doresain?

Yo real question

People knew AA was coming, and it should come, they shouldn't be OP

if its all doresain level

[true dome]

I think this is where we as players just won't pull for the unit if they NEED and I mean NEED to the level that Kath E3 is then I'm fine with people just openly not pulling for said character.

[muted sage]

I think people can rest easy

[true dome]

That's my stance on AAs

[barren sky]

Agreeing with this one

[true dome]

Like it or not.
The game has farmed enough good will to let it slide for units retroactively but not for much much newer ones.

[barren sky]

If the gap between +12 and OE was like 15% ish i think it would lessen the anxiety a bit

[tall mauve]

Their goodwill is ethereal at this point

[barren sky]

But like doubling damage is kinda crazy

[true dome]

And A5 doesn't even have any rewards incentive outside of emotes. If they add silver up to 400 then people will actually care for meta and aaaas

[barren sky]

Also people talking about just aa but wtf is that weekly change

[ivory yew]

The bulb fragments are pretty nice, buf ofc you could just double A4

[true dome]

Ok what do you suggest for the game to make money

Please

Tell

[muted sage]

AA should not make a character viable ✅
AA can make a character do something it couldn't before but isn't going to make it better than what it was before ✅
Fucking buff the worst awakeners ✅

I think this checklist is reasonable for literally most of everyone

yes I'm speaking on behalf of what I think is a general opinion

[true dome]

They can't make skins

Far less profitable than new units

They can't make unit, no resources

[obsidian dome]

That's a pretty complex question to discuss, since Morimens is a lot more generous and has way fewer pity pulls.

[obsidian dome]

So of course they'll be more reliant on dupes

[ivory yew]

AA can make a character do something it couldn't before
pandia can now roll over and die with +4 STR

[muted sage]

As it should, but now buff her instead and let her AA be mid

[ivory yew]

Daff's AA is mid

Pandias is a meme

[muted sage]

yeah so I guess a Daff buff would be welcomed

let the AA be mid

[lilac basin]

meanwhile caecus is

[barren sky]

Sure, but they also have a much smaller player base and whatnot. As you said this is a complicated issue. Them implementing something that directly contradicts what they promised is not.

[covert jasper]

Agreed, by far the worse change of the patch. It doesnt feel like biav respects the player's choice on how they wanna enjoy the game but instead forces us to play it the way they want us to play it.

[lilac basin]

EVEN MORE COUNTER THAN WHAT HE CAN DISH OUT

[ivory yew]

I main her and she's def staying at +4 after this one

She's good enough for A5 anyway so

[lilac basin]

actually an interesting AA

[alpine furnace]

I wonder if this thread will also break 2k messages like Saya thread
Many questionable decisions lately from BIAV

[barren sky]

I'm a strong believer of if there's nothing wrong don't change it, and I don't think weeklies were a point of concern for people? Unless I'm wrong which is likely since I haven't been in the community for very long

[muted sage]

i'm going to write it in all caps

I THINK IF BIAV ACTUALLY MADE THE SMART DECISION OF ACTUALLY DOING BALANCE CHANGES AND BUFFING UNDERPERFORMING AWAKENERS + AA ANNOUNCEMENTS WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS MUCH OF A SHITSTORM

BECAUSE AT LEAST PEOPLE WOULD BE BRAINSTORMING ABOUT NEW COMPS WITH THE NEWLY BUFFED CHARACTERS

[cerulean birch]

Many people dont like traphase and they forced it on players smh

[lilac basin]

ye

the main fun of this game is teambuilding

too bad all we have here is another false promise

[covert jasper]

I liked the way the weeklies are now since i dont really log in everyday. It allows me to just clear all the event stages in 1 sitting and gain the bulk of the rewards. But with the new changes i will also have to play game modes like trap phase that i am not particularly interested in.

[lilac basin]

and the fear of EVEN WORSE powrcreep

[barren sky]

Right?? And honestly i thought letting players choose which modes they wanna play for the rewards is really smart. But they went and got rid of it which is like... bro.

[lilac basin]

if I be real they can just add d tide clear to weeklies and everything is perfect

but no

[obsidian dome]

Dunno about this one, but at this point I can only hope that if a character is too weak, they'll just buff it directly instead of implementing AA. which I've seen none

[lilac basin]

they have to actually enshitty weekly

[barren sky]

True

[barren sky]

Agreeing with you on this one

[ivory yew]

At least it rewards alternative modes which have zero incentive right now, I like traphase but not enough to play it without an progression incentive

[covert jasper]

Agreed, some characters just feel unplayable. Biav doesnt have to make them amazing, they just have to raise the floor for all awakeners so that some of them arent completely unusable.

[tall mauve]

At that point the "we are smol owee" excuse is just convenient
Can't make skins, no resources. But they're not used to write story chapter faster. Or translate all the languages they offer. Nor moderating the discord. Nor making more units.
I guess the lights are on

[covert jasper]

I dont personally like trap phase and probably wont force myself to do it just to get the rewards, but i can imagine a world in which players force themselves to engage with the game in a way that isnt enjoyable to them and just burn themselves out and stop playing altogether.

[lilac basin]

the story are also going downhill

[fading hollow]

ch4 is random bullshit go

[wheat dove]

🤣

[lilac basin]

new chara are also random bullshit af

look at vortice

just a cute uwu braindead girl

[fading hollow]

vortice is nikke design

[ivory yew]

Yea those players aren't me so can't say I care, but I'll agree that if these weeklies are more grindy than current ones for equal rewards then it's an enshitification for no reason

[lilac basin]

and voiced by porn actress

[dusky pivot]

Why is Vortice taking stray bullet she's best girl :'(

[fading hollow]

va is fine

i just hate her dogshit design

[lilac basin]

I would be fine with her design if the lore is good

but nope

dogshit lore

a massive disrespect to EAP

[wheat dove]

啥意思，产能全用来恶心人吗

[barren sky]

Yk if they gave extra rewards for the game modes they wanted to push we wouldn't have such a shitstorm

[ivory yew]

Cap

[lilac basin]

they don't even adapt her source materail properly

just barely touch the surface

[fading hollow]

id wait for more annoucements iirc lyra did say smth abt traphase not being mandatory

she said just wait lol

[covert jasper]

I dont mean to be rude but i think you should care. Making the game enjoyable for the most number of people directly benefits you and as such when criticising or applauding the game you should do it with the mindset that you believe that what biav has done has aligned with the increase in enjoyability of its player base.

[fading hollow]

cant wait for newbies to get molested in traphase

eat this otk comp

[ivory yew]

Some people actively look for shit to cry about, if they add rewards to traphase people will complain that they don't want to play it (pretty sure this already happened)

[fading hollow]

it happened

[ivory yew]

Even if they're strictly an extra on top of everything

[lilac basin]

cant wait to intentionally demote in traphase to actually pull this on newbies

[fading hollow]

yep except this time itll be worse if its mandatory

[rare hamlet]

Vortice design doesn’t speak to me but actress stigma is a bit wild 💀

[barren sky]

Mandatory for no extra rewards too

[fading hollow]

u infact get less if u dont

[rare hamlet]

Morimens bread queue when

[fading hollow]

(im going with the assumption that itll be mandatory)

[covert jasper]

I actually kinda agree with being upset with rewards being tied up with specific game modes. I feel that players should be allowed to enjoy the game the way they want to enjoy it and not be forced to play it in a manner that takes away their enjoyment from the game as i feel that breeds resentment towards the game that can lead to players just playing something else that actually makes them happy.

[fading hollow]

(idealy just wait for more infos

[ivory yew]

Yeah that's fair, I just personally care more about changes benefitting players like me rather than a more general public
For now I'm just waiting to see the actual numbers, if the weeklies are more annoying or less fun for equal rewards then I'll criticize them, but from what I've read so far that's not clear

[lilac basin]

ngl by then maybe its already too late

[barren sky]

Uhhh that's what they said yesterday about the cores too (but I do hope it's not as bad as I assumed)

[neat flame]

Not really, the only thing that'll be hard to change is nerfing AA

[muted sage]

I mean, I like some gamemodes way less than others, but still end up doing them, as long as the rewards for x gamemode arent kneebreaking im all for diversity of rewards across modes

getting 1mil scrips in traphase is just stale

[true dome]

They want to see how they will perform with AA and if they will need additional stuff

[muted sage]

yeah but all of us prefer buffs to awakeners base kits and lower E's first

rather than AA and OE

[ivory yew]

Sadly that's the bane of any game that trains players to expect a reward for any activity, it works to keep people in but also to keep them out, once you design a game around steady progression and carrots on sticks you can't just release a for fun mode and expect that player base to care about it

[lilac basin]

they have interal balance team, its more likely that BIAV knows what they're doing

[covert jasper]

Yup agreed. I honestly think most of the issues that are being brought up now is due to the poor and untimely communication of staff.

[true dome]

I doubt it's more like 2 people

Small studio

[barren sky]

REAL if any of these changes were asked in surveys leading up to it........

[lilac basin]

should've open for beta testing smh

[true dome]

They can't afford a server xd

[lilac basin]

omg even with the massive playberbase growth they can't afford a beta testing server

[covert jasper]

I agree with you on this as well, which is why i thought the way the game handles weeklies now is great, it allows you to play the way you like it without shoe horning you into a specific game mode. The devs even acknoledged it since the way weeklies are done now is actually a recently new thing, which makes it all the stranger that they are implementing something as counter productive as what they know to be true.

[covert jasper]

I genuinely dont know whether i believe this to be true as i am sure many things cannot be known for certain until tested such as how players will perceive certain changes in rewards or in gameplay

[ivory yew]

Very true in general, all I'm saying is that I wouldn't mind doing an HSR run or a few games of traphase a week if it means getting more rewards than we do currently

[lilac basin]

tho for gameplay balance iirc Light said there's an internal team handling this

[lilac basin]

ngl if I only need to do 1 HSR for full weekly then fine

its just like doing a MDH run in limbus

[ivory yew]

That's the way I interpreted it which is why I'm reserving judgement

[covert jasper]

Oh definetely, my thought process would be that anything addtional would be nice but to actively reduce and transfer rewards away from the status quo would be a bit too much

[muted sage]

if doing one of all modes gives you the rewards for all, then me liking 2 or 3 of the modes makes it so I don't enjoy doing them since I already got the rewards from playing one

[lilac basin]

then again BIAV have a long track record of lying so I don't want to be hopeful toward their practices

[muted sage]

rewards for different modes are good

the rewards being absolutely necessary n shit

is not

[lilac basin]

promise to not making character stronger than tawil or ghelot
broken
promise to not sell 1* skin after 1* doorstain skin ficaso
broken
promise to not powercreep
broken
promise to not make AA too impactful
broken

there's probably a few more that I'm too tired to remember

but they lies as naturally as they breathe

having good faith in them is rather pointless atp, its better to keep zero expectation so I can be surprised when they do something nice lol

[covert jasper]

This is also one of my biggest peeves. Why the need to outright lie? I would be so much happier if they said nothing at all then for them to outright lie to my face and think they could still preserve any form of good faith. Trust is the building block of any good community.

[muted sage]

does that mean I can stop hoping they give you a +12 character selector? damn, really thought they'd give it as an apology

[covert jasper]

A man can dream, just not hope.

[lilac basin]

I... still dream... of GTulu... saving Aequor...

[ivory yew]

The ethereal cores and autoplay shit was the biggest head scratcher, I understand not wanting to say the real reason outright because you'd be promoting it but then Light went and said it anyway so all the drama was for nothing

[lilac basin]

[tall mauve]

don't worry we'll get a chatgpt answer saying he feels it's his responsibility and he'll do better at some point in the future

[covert jasper]

They just need a more prompt and concise way of delivering information while at the same time providing timely feedback.

[muted sage]

I just think they don't read the room

[lilac basin]

I think they are master ragebaiting

[covert jasper]

I think they just dont care.

[lilac basin]

probably learned a trick or two from flares

[muted sage]

at least us here in this discord were expecting awakener buffs and AA

but all we see is AA

they fucked up, the buffs would have at least helped a LOT to see them in good faith

[ivory yew]

True but for now I stick to Hanlon's razor, if these changes were truly in bad faith they'd be more effective at it, I think they're mainly trying to fix early bad design but constantly running into change aversion

[covert jasper]

Exactly, by not buffing anything, it gives the impression that everything is good and that all units are balanced.

[ivory yew]

Except limited AA, that one is just an honest to god whale buff

[muted sage]

know what

I blame the veterans doing impossible clears with shitty characters on d-tide

I bet thats where they pull stats from

fuck sake

half joking

but atp

idk

[ivory yew]

Maybe not even wrong

I should stop clearing with Daff

[muted sage]

maybe its too real

[lilac basin]

shit

[covert jasper]

Goddamn

[lilac basin]

sorry chat it was my fault, I keep beating w4/5 with Liz

[covert jasper]

They actually reverted the weeklies change

[lilac basin]

[cerulean birch]

Devs listened comments

[ivory yew]

I'm sensing a pattern

[lilac basin]

lol

[covert jasper]

I wonder what it could be

[lilac basin]

iirc its some negotation trick

make an utterly outrageous request, then dialed it down

so the target accept the more "reasonable" deal even if they're still on the losing side

[fading hollow]

go to sleep

ongof

God

[lilac basin]

bye ppep

[ivory yew]

Anyway can't believe they're buffing all base kits in 2.5.1

100% light confirmed

[brittle fox]

Light this might be a bad time but can we put automatic acquisition of battle pass missions before daily reset in the devlogs, i forget to claim months of progress on those bp even till now

[fading hollow]

U issue

[teal sapphire]

Idk if the whole "AA won't be that impactful" thing is real, but I just read Thais AA and it doesn't really look "not that impactful". What's worse is there ARE AA's that really are just a minor buff, so some people are basically screwed because they didn't guess what character will get the better buff.
I dont mind AA because Pure Core characters need it and having a limited E12 is already cheating and too strong, but bruh what the hell.

[ivory yew]

Yeah I gotta echo this, after reading all of them it's clear that the original design goal was to buff "alternative" or less popular playstyles, and a lot of them actually make sense through that lens and it could work as a nice chase incentive for people who main those units and go all in on them; but then you see the ones for GMurphy, Tawil, Thais, Castor and they just simply make them better at doing the thing they're already the best units in the game at.
Overall it's a mix of decent design goals and straight up whale baits

[thin yacht]

All right, I'll be back after reading it for a bit

They did say they're not gonna balance difficulty around AA's, and looking at these, I wouldn't pull a single limited AA.

This is....fine actually. I don't know why everyone's exploding over this, but even people who accepted Ethereal Cores, which are more predatory, are denouncing this. This also allows BiAV to make money without fucking over every single player.

All in all, I do not see a problem with this. Fine enough.

[celest ledge]

lol probably 325 dtide player weighing in with his helpful opinion on how changes affect meta and endgame

[ivory kayak]

My main problem with AA is that it does not actually help low-tier characters that much, it just makes strong characters even stronger

But hopefully we will get some buffs to make it more fair? I understand that balancing is probably one of the hardest things for majority of games, but time will show ig

[lilac basin]

welcome back, flares the III

[ivory yew]

AA as a concept is fine and I agree that people are overblowing it, but the buffs on some limiteds are way out of line
They buff 5-10% strength on shitty unit, and way way beyond that on others like thais. So I think it's fine for people to complain because the delta between having a +4 or +12 on those units is VERY real

[neat flame]

Problem is a good AA on a bad unit makes it feel mandatory

Preferably they'd get baseline buffs and small AA

[ivory kayak]

Yeah, for sure

[ivory yew]

Thais's AA doesn't even read as temporary, it reads the same way as lone seed so you can straight up just generate a copy of a retain card

[neat flame]

Like Doorstains getting part of his AA baseline would be cool

[long acorn]

doresain's AA having overflow damage when that was a suggestion as a fix for his base kit sucks

[lilac basin]

nah if anything the 3rd copy also -2 cost

but yeah the upgrade isn't big like gmurphy

[hazy yarrow]

AAs are a slippery slope, they currently aren’t balancing around it; they currently don’t fix awakeners (for the most part ) and currently aren’t needed

but present point untill eos is hopefully a long time and now the possibility exists; Light has installed a guillotine over your neck and pinky promised not to chop you in half. Personally, I don’t do not think this is a good change because it now involves the possibility either future characters or future content ends up needing them in some ways

24, Daffodill, Tulu, Tawil; hell, even characters like GDoll and GHelot have slowly but surely been becoming more and more OE dependant, who’s to say that like yo, 24 AA actually lets her keep up really well. that would suck. And when Arc 3 rolld around, A2 character AAs have been positioned to be very powerfull and if (and when) they get into a similar position as Arc 1 carries are at the moment would it be at all unexpected for say Mouchette or Vortice to really want their AAs to remain relevant?

[lilac basin]

still rly strong due to how abusable it is

[ivory yew]

That would also be broken but it doesn't say that on the text, so we'll see

[hazy yarrow]

I don’t trust Light to maintain any promises sorry… today is about as good of an example as it gets

[thin yacht]

That is a pretty fair point. Expecting Light to keep promises, that is.

AA's aren't scary right now, but they could be.

Not an immediate threat, but that Sword of Damocles does loom with menace.

[ivory yew]

That point is mostly moot imo

[hazy yarrow]

see you in a few months then

[ivory yew]

I mean it is fair, but it hasn't happened yet so at present time the change is fine for what it is (with the already mentioned exceptions)

[lilac basin]

for me the fun was in challenging A5 but with the rampant pwc I'm tired of it and now with AA

idt I'm going to do A5 anymore

[ivory yew]

I do agree it may eventually happen but if that's the state of the game in a few months then something has gone really wrong and a lot of people, me included would simply move on to another game

[lilac basin]

so this is yet another collector gacha out there

[ivory yew]

A5 is still currently very doable even f2p tho

[ivory kayak]

I wish we had something like a road-map or maybe WIP-peek, so the playerbase could be aware of the changes beforehand

[hazy yarrow]

yeah same way ultra 24 and tawil nosedives on (most) tier lists

[lilac basin]

yes, its just getting harder and harder

I'm f2p

[ivory yew]

I haven't been playing for long but aren't the whales saying it's gotten easier?

[hazy yarrow]

that would be very nice

[lilac basin]

uh, no, its a lot harder

basically in w1 the boss do 600 1k 700

[ivory yew]

Well at the very least I saw the chopped head boss and doresain one got heavily nerfed

[uneven drift]

What for? It's better for them to propose something outrageous, then backpedal a little and a large part of playerbase goes: devs listened, yay

[lilac basin]

in harder waves even the mobs dish out 1k every turn

also its standard for w5 to have 2 mil HP pool total or worse

[ivory yew]

Well personally I'm having fun on my A5 clears even with non-meta teams

[lilac basin]

there were extremely outrageous waves like Fran

[ivory yew]

When that's no longer possible I will complain or quit

[lilac basin]

I'm reaching that phase honestly

lowkey don't want to reach it, but atp I think its very possible

[ivory yew]

I guess time will tell, if nothing else I don't think they should make it any easier

A5 is like the biggest chase content in the game and basically the only place people who are invested in the game have to use their toys in

So I think it's fine if 425 is out of reach for the majority, as long as 400 is feasible

[ivory kayak]

The game has such a unique art direction and truly great designs. It would be nice if they explored a cosmetics-based approach to generate more revenue :((

[hazy yarrow]

they’re charging you for a card skin that’s basically a reused asset does that count

[lilac basin]

they do sell merch just not frequent

those merchs got sold out instantly afaik

[ivory kayak]

That’s nice to know! Speaking of skins, I do think that if we got more high-quality ones, even if they were locked behind gacha, that would more be acceptable than anything lol

[lilac basin]

seems like that model is not very profitable

otherwise they'd shell out skins a lot more

[brazen badge]

Tell that to LoL

[ivory kayak]

That's unfortunate, because some games live off skins, but I guess we have not reached this stage (yet?). Also, about the revenue, I remember that the devs spoke about needing more budget to produce content so I knew something like this would happen

I just wish they could be more transparent, because it’s unclear what the actual goal is (like we know it’s not really about preventing reselling)

[ivory yew]

It's not about stage it's about quality

And the reselling 100% would be a primary driver since the market is massive

In terms of skins if they actually put production value into one with actual card art, personalized effects etc it would absolutely sell a ton

But the ones they've put out are just basically reskins or slightly different art that doesn't change anything ingame

[brazen badge]

If they want more money, give us stuff to spend money on, instead of throwing the entire games balance and direction out the window and say "Hey! You f'd with everything we were giving you! Now you can spend money!"

[ivory kayak]

I could not find much on the grey market, tbh... The sites that were reselling accounts had few options that did not seem that lucrative. Moreover, if a person is willing to buy an account they would be more likely to spend in game, too

[ivory yew]

Probably not the place but the ones I saw had for CN/KR was a lot relative to the size of the game

And I don't really see how making free pulls temporary makes much sense if they just want to strictly increase revenue, I think they could do more subtle things for that with way less friction

[ivory kayak]

I totally agree with you and Painketsu, 100%

[brazen badge]

The thing is, those accounts are already out there

Removing 10 pulls is not gonna stop bots

And it's not gonna make those accounts suddenly bad

It just annoys the playerbase

For nothing

[ivory yew]

Nah they're constantly getting botted, and being stockpiled progressively

Putting a time limit on how long they can keep the hoard drastically reduces the output and gives time for ban waves to slowly catch up

[ivory kayak]

We mentioned League and I know that they also have policies against reselling accounts, but even their huge company can't really fight it

[brazen badge]

If someone's gonna buy an account with 500 pulls, they're gonna buy an account with 490

It literally changes nothing

[ivory yew]

I think it's quite a lot more than that but that's just my perspective since I don't have the numbers

[feral hill]

500 vs 0 is the long-term goal fwiw

[brazen badge]

For that we'd need to never get any pure cores

[ivory yew]

But BIAV is a for-profit company, and I just can't see them making a move like that if they don't see value

[brazen badge]

If they wanna do that, go ahead, I know where the door is

Changing 10 pulls to time-limited just annoys the players like I was saying

[ivory yew]

Well yeah that's something I mentioned before, the approach to the change is inherently flawed because you can never "take away" something from a player

[ivory kayak]

Moreover, the time-limited pulls being included in paid bundles makes 0 sense?

[ivory yew]

The idea is valid but the execution can never work

[ivory yew]

Were they? Actually didn't see that but that's extra stupid if so lmao

[brazen badge]

They are now, that's the only place to get them besides anni

[ivory kayak]

Yeah, Light mentioned it in their (I don't know the pronous, I am new) replies

[brazen badge]

(Him)

[ivory yew]

Yeah that's strange decision, but wouldn't surprise me if he just came up with it on the spot to ease people into it after all the pushback

[neat flame]

LoL has a bigger player base and 200$ skins

[brazen badge]

LoL has skins*

[neat flame]

And is too big for the backlash of 200$ skins to bother them

[muted sage]

Just to say, your input is truly fair and very much correct bagels, just wanted to point out that, on a whole statement, thats pretty much the concise view everyone who actually cares has

[ivory yew]

Size doesn't mater, if something is profitable it just means the scale is different

[hazy yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/teamwahoo-don-quixote-limbus-company-gif-9353416952663371780

[hallow niche]

Yippe Doresain Absolute Axiom

waiting to see the chat that comes with it

[neat flame]

Bigger size means you can afford to make a team focused on maximizing skin sales and production

[hazy yarrow]

it literally fixes all his issues

so it kinda sucks because it literally fixes all his issues

[true dome]

Agreed anything that's from free to play events should be ethereal

Anything you physically buy with real money should just stay luminous. You are funding the game so it's only fair.

Will see how ethereal stuff plays out I hope this turbulence of a reveal cycle passes

[neat flame]

Morimens can dedicate a small group maybe (any problems with them puts a pause to it, any unsuccessful skin is painful)

[muted sage]

It does for some part, if bosses have multiple phases and are a 1 mob thing, the 20 fixed damage stops being great BUT

it is indeed the right direction, getting rid of initial max 20% hp lets doresain rock

[ivory yew]

That part is def true, BIAV simply decided not to put their prod budget into skins, the point was in response to the question of them being profitable in general

[brazen badge]

Mate. Delay a character by a week and work on making some sparkles for the cards, or a cool animation when you play them. I'm 100% people would buy them if they look good

[neat flame]

Oh is that what was said, might've missed it

[brazen badge]

Instead of wasting time with these changes, spend time on actual decent stuff

[muted sage]

I swear if everything had as much visual flair as Pickman exalt does, game would be more popular

[feral hill]

Endfield sells a recurring 10-pull pack that is fading pulls every banner. Good way to get over the line as a collector

[hallow niche]

Kinda sad it is locked behind E+12 so those who really wanna get it gonna be saving for a whil3

We'll see in the future where BIAV goes with this

[neat flame]

I do think the ethereal pulls could be salvaged at least. Just have it as a shop bundle with above average immediate value that's maybe like 3 times every few months or something

[brazen badge]

"We'll not put stuff that's game changing on Axioms, just buffs to underutilized parts of characters kits"

[dusky pivot]

ngl I agree that skins would be cool but so far I feel like combat animations are absolutely not designed with skins in mind, I tried Reverse99 recently to give it a try and there's soooo much more VFX per character
Here there's like def/strike with bare bone animations, so you would pay to see new VFX on a couple cards only which restrain a bit what you could do VFX wise for a charater 😔

[feral hill]

Yeah, that's their best use. You make sure there's a pack of.. idk 30 of them, they refresh each major patch and are cheap. They help grab a character inside that window, but you can't just buy six of them and go ham on the anni character

[neat flame]

• probably a good foot in the door tactic

[brazen badge]

Add VFX as a paid content

[feral hill]

Endfield's got it about right there with their pull economy, if you are slightly short of a guarantee, you're not forking out full price for pulls

[ivory kayak]

That sounds like a good opportunity to add VFX for attack/def cards

[neat flame]

I feel like AA should probably be done in batches

[dusky pivot]

I 100% agree 👀

[neat flame]

Like take the best 5-8 out of what's been revealed and keep them, then review other ones

AA are a difficult thing to balance to do it all at once

[ivory kayak]

My problem with skins is that they don’t feel like much of a big deal, the base models are on the same level, if not better

Moreover, there are no skins for my mains tbh

[neat flame]

If you give a bad unit a bad AA it's grrrr I wanted them fixed

If you give them a good one it's grrrrr I need AA to fix them

[ivory kayak]

Like you mentioned, if there were cool skins, especially for popular characters that would be fine

[ivory yew]

Don't worry 2.5.1 everyone getting buffs and gmurphy is deleted from the game and all the problems are fixed, Light promised

[neat flame]

Ironically giving good units a good AA is easier because they're already good so it doesn't change much

[sour gulch]

Howabout, fix the weaker unit without aa and actually make aa be just bonus effects in general.

Like you know

[feral hill]

I assume Light's flooded with mentions but @ionic stratus - you should make sure you let folks know via a note in-game that you'll be doing some adjustments to AA and characters in 2.5.1 so we're not back here in a month with a few whales who are furious at you toning down a +12 they just invested in. If this a first pass and a bit experimental that's cool but just let folks know.

[sour gulch]

The buffing they havent done since november

[neat flame]

Which takes more effort, which is why they should do it in batches

To fine tune it

[ivory yew]

Didn't he do just that like 1hr ago

[neat flame]

Instead of slamming them all at once

[lilac basin]

they probably wanted to shell out all AA so that Arachne can have AA too

[feral hill]

yes it needs to be much more visible than a Discord comment

People don't read

[sour gulch]

This most likely

[ivory yew]

People who don't read aren't gonna be mad anyway

[neat flame]

I'd say just have her in first batch but yeah

[ivory yew]

Or if they are it wont fix it

[sour gulch]

Their team sucks at balancing and continues to make more things for themselves balance.

Buff come super slowly and they cant nerf anything due to backlash

Truly a selfmade hell

[dusk roost]

AA is dogshit and disappointing powercreep, it's definitely impactful and they lied/misled us about it in official communication. Feels exceptionally bad because the AA's range from being worthless to being insanely powerful so.... why. Considering the powercreep of the other recent units this feels like morimens is going super in the wrong direction.

It's fine to want to make more money, but actively shitting on players who don't want to just dump money into singular units is the wrong way to do it. And I say this as a whale that actively dumps money into the game because until the last few recent patches BIAV felt respectful of my time and money. This ain't it.

The AA things will also overshadow some very questionable redesigns like the weekly system, but maybe they'll feel better when we get them idk.

Just really disappointed.

I don't think I'll be spending any more money on the game any time soon because of the direction AA indicates the game is going

[ivory kayak]

I think rewarding players for getting characters to +12 is a fine idea, but the issue is that the AA system seems imbalanced, as it favors certain popular or meta characters, further widening the gap between them and lower-tier ones

[dusk roost]

the reward should be skins/voicelines/story/etc, not powercreep

or power at all

[ivory kayak]

I fear powercreep is inevitable, this is just how it goes

[muted sage]

sorry theres no incentive to get another 8 copies of a character to get a skin and some nothing burger stats

AA's need all to be doresain level or lower

[dusk roost]

there is for whales like me. i'll dump another few hundred to get skins for characters i really like

[muted sage]

they are fucking too much rn

[muted sage]

sorry you're not every whale

no offense

[ivory kayak]

It’s not necessarily a bad thing, but we could create some creative approaches or changes for older characters to keep them relevant

And AA is probably one of the ways to do so, but damn.. it needs a lot of work lol

[dusk roost]

i've yet to see a whale disagree with me and see a ton that do, so like yes you are correct that I am not all whales, most whales do not like this system

[fossil badger]

Should have split the power in 2 and give some to +8

[muted sage]

most whales?

most whales are not even typing in discord

or reddit

just look at your followers/followed

[dusk roost]

damn it's like I never said they were

[muted sage]

so if they don't interact or complain, how do you assume what "most whales" like

isn't this kinda pointless?

[dusk roost]

but a lot of us talk on twitter and in private groups and also just in general? that's how friend groups and communities work. It feels like that is a foreign concept to you, but if I can't make general observations and you get to make sweeping declarations, I don't really care about what you have to say lmao

[muted sage]

oh brother

"they all said"

🥴

[dusk roost]

the reading comprehension devil grows stronger by the day

[muted sage]

okay so most whales want skins at +12

noted

[dusky pivot]

I'm not a whale so my opinion doesn't count much 🥺 but
Imo it doesn't sound that far-fetched (ofc maybe not everyone) because people pay shit tons of money for skins in a lot of games
200€ skins in LoL works because enough ppl buy them
200€ bow skin in HSR that ppl bought too
Probably more example I can't think off because I'm a dummy

[muted sage]

yeah but, the thing is, this becomes different when you're using a resource that you paid for that = power (pulls in character banner) and then throwing skins into the mix, which many players wont even care about as they want +12 for power reasons

morimens does skin banners

at least they did one

for halloween

that was fully paid only

It also had resources tied into it

but not characters

[dusky pivot]

Ah wait don't they mean like instead of doing Axiom it would've been nice if it was skin instead ?

Like axiom not existing at all

[muted sage]

well yes but for players who are paying for power only

getting +12 for them isn't something they'll go for

because a skin would be there

since they are at the core, spending pulls to progress characters

But paying for power is absolute ass in games anyway, but this is a gacha

its basically inherent

I won't deny there are players who'd totally go for a skin

if it existed at +12

but I don't think theres a proven case that'd be the majority at all

[dusky pivot]

I feel like if it was baseline it would've been different, like I mean if Axiom was like Eidolon/whatevername from the get go when the game released and not something they're doing now in a weird batch

[muted sage]

TL;DR: I just think people would see the skin as a bonus, not as a goal

[ivory kayak]

Creating a large number of skins would either lead to low-quality or some characters will have to wait eternity to eventually receive one

So I don't believe it's an option for 12+, seems like a lot of resources for unclear profit

Creating summer skins for Doreasin on the other hand

[muted sage]

yeah, that seems very reasonable to assume that diverting their 2 or 3 artists for that would be a risk

[dusky pivot]

Dang I just want pretty skins for char I like

[muted sage]

they already release skins at a snail pace and its usually just the same character on a different art, same clothes (which are probably concept arts touched up)

its very unlikely they have the resources to pull that off without a huge cost D:

[ivory kayak]

Imagine seasonal/perma skins for characters with strong following (Thais, Ryker, Kath, Castor and Pollux, Tawill, Uhvash? The list goes on)

[dusky pivot]

Yeah I know :( But I'll keep spreading blood in my Morimens altar and pray for skins maybe it'll summon an artist for them idk

[ivory kayak]

From reddit: "iirc Light talked about this last year. He explained the differences between the skin tiers:

• 1 star : simple changes like altering key art composition or swapping small model parts like glasses

• 2 star: same key art composition but clothing changes with model updates

• 3 star: key art composition and outfit change significantly. VFX and SFX will also be adjusted to match the skin style

• 4 star: dynamic key art effects, new voice lines and might included unique frenzy story

• 5 star: "represents our highest level of craftmanship, with boundary-pushing designs"

(Both 4 and 5 stars are skin limited gacha)"

We have not had a 5 star skin yet, right?

[dusky pivot]

Maybe the Halloween Murphy ? I haven't seen the skin so I don't know if it's 4 too

Nvm it's a 4

Also I've found a reddit post too where it says 5* skins should be 3980 prime silver 🤔

Oh and also "BIAV will only begin production on this rarity tier once they’ve accumulated enough production experience with skins, which may take about a year. These will appear as limited-time skin gacha."
So not for now at least

[ivory kayak]

Thank you, Drakya! When did they state that though?

Was it like... a half-year ago or something?

[dusky pivot]

I have absolutely no idea and I can't find the source on discord 🧐 the reddit post is from 8 months ago

[muted sage]

yeah I read that by the time that murphy halloween skin got announced

[feral hill]

Feedback on Mouchette's AA: that is absolutely insane and makes the character's potential burst damage even more nuts. Rouses are searchable, so that effectively searches two free mortal coils out of thin air that refund the cost of the rouse. That just makes her have an even larger burst turn or get even more burst turns going

[muted sage]

we have A LOT of rouses to complain about

[feral hill]

Mouchette's one is just a bad idea.

[muted sage]

pollux is also op and makes him quite a nice trash mob killer since his rouse cost also is refund itself on free hearts

[ivory kayak]

AA should have been done in batches, so we could give at least some feedback

[muted sage]

Yeah, agreed, standard > arc1 > arc 2

[ivory kayak]

The fisrt batch of AA seemed like some small buffs (Ogier/Aigis etc)

[muted sage]

its so funny the characters needing it more are the least affected

paints an ugly picture

[ivory kayak]

Well yeah, that's like the main issue :/

It should've been more well-thought, AAs could be a very cool idea if used correctly

[feral hill]

Unlocking a buff to the character after the rouse - OK, in principle this seems fine and could unlock new playstyles etc. So Mouchette gets more power from DR, plays into her playstyle...
She also gets two free cards that dupe the last played strike card, whilst being free - that basically means she has Thais's exalt slapped onto her searchable rouse. Mortal Coil also discounts.

So her Rouse is a 2-cost searchable card that gives her 50 exalt bar and a total of six arith for the cost of two whilst ALSO giving her a buff

On a burst DPS character

She's already the best DPS in the game and this just makes her even more stupid, and this is a real shame when the devs made her OE make her have more utility rather than more raw power.

IMO it'd be much better if it worked like Faint's exalt instead of that card spawning effect. I.e. you pop rouse and you get +100 DR.

That'd allow a Mouchette team to be a little less dependent on DR wheels and grave covenant

It'd also allow Mouchette to be able to "call an ambulance BUT NOT FOR ME" once a boss fight if you hold onto the rouse until after a couple of DR procs to refill it

That's how these AAs should work - a bit of a raw power improvement but more about adding something new that the character did not already have

I am a big Mouchette fan and at the moment I would actively not want AA because it would just make her more boring to play

[hazy yarrow]

ok but it doesn’t let her generate keyflare on strikes so trash AA

[feral hill]

damn

Just said this in gen chat but otherwise the big problem immediately in terms of community relations is that this is a one-two punch

this is the first punch

the second is monday, right after all the content drops

Because this is a backward-looking change - everybody who has a stack of +12 chars gets their toys all at once. So a lot of chatter is going to be about whaled out characters that people can't realistically get, not the cool new character that just dropped that everyone is excited for

"2.5 dropped and was great" vs "2.5 dropped and the devs just broke the game's balance to reward all their whales" - big risk

[winged prawn]

So I need to go +12 to get doresain somehow fixed?

[ivory kayak]

We can't say for sure now, gotta wait for the dev's response

But yeah, it seems AA solves some of his base kit flaws

[pastel tangle]

Hi BIAV can we roll out the Absolute Axioms for standard characters first? The Absolute Axioms for the limiteds are very controversial for most of the playerbase and I think we need to reconsider before they're rolled out

[brazen badge]

Yes

[wispy cargo]

tf happened here

[muted sage]

AA's are broken for some, meh for others, light promised no broken shit, people feel like theres clearly powercreep involved in +12 even if there isn't content tailored, people feel like light lied again. some people don't want AA to exist, some people think skins should be the reward for +12, a lotta different takes

but in the end I think I myself feel mind tricked since I thought underperforming awakers were gonna get buffs

[wispy cargo]

most people will never play them anyways

[muted sage]

instead we only got AA

well, I can't say I am mad about how +12 pollux is looking like

but I also wouldn't mind it not getting AA at all

I just think good characters got boosted, and shit characters stayed exactly the same on a comparison frame

well, final stance is

I don't really mind AA

[wispy cargo]

i see, i'ts a gib whateverburger to me

[muted sage]

I just don't think its should be like, a massive buff

in the end

[wispy cargo]

borrowed whales will be better

[muted sage]

yeah

agreed

[wispy cargo]

Arachnee kit will overshadow that hopefully

[muted sage]

maybe they did save the best for last

[wispy cargo]

with her own op AA

[muted sage]

only aequor fanatics will be mad if arachne is amazin

[wispy cargo]

what why

[muted sage]

just jestin

aequor ultra rivalry

is the strongest rivalry

[wispy cargo]

caro just here munching on babies

[muted sage]

exactly, wanting no business in that war

thais supports all the ragebait

[wispy cargo]

[glad garden]

Genuinely with how they are balanced, looks like they spent 30 minutes on all of them lmao

[muted sage]

yeah Doresain AA was chat GPT'd

[true dome]

"game adds AA to units that I don't use at all me no likely"

[true dome]

Has to be 20 of enemy hp

[thorny viper]

i think standard characters are the only one who should of received AA first or maybe even at all because wow rip f2p players with this on top of the core nonsense going on

#WhatAreWeDoingRN

[lilac basin]

omgbruh most of a*quor AA are trash I don't need arachne or saya having OP AA to be mad at BIAV

[muted sage]

can't lie, the most talked about AA was caecus, and I think its mid xd

obviously there are better ones

but on popularity and discussions

barely heard anythin bout blu

[lilac basin]

gmur more or less should be 50~100% dmg increase for for the 3 turn burst set up

the only real AA

caecus is good for standard ye

everything else is hot garbage

[true dome]

Uvhash is goated

[lilac basin]

tbh he is caro

not a*quor

[sleek latch]

@fresh crane 都已经这样了，今天技能还要藏到晚上吗？

[jaunty olive]

Dyss

From Chinese (Simplified) (ZH_HANS) To Portuguese (PT)

@fresh crane Já é assim, as habilidades ficarão escondidas até hoje à noite?

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Will 🪭Huangpu's Whisper 仿生人间

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@fresh crane It's already like this, will the skills be hidden until tonight?

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[jaunty olive]

Will 🪭Huangpu's Whisper 仿生人间

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@ionic stratus Your mom is dead, delete the 0-fee continuous round of the Xuelian chain for Bird Brother, right, dead mom

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[steep shore]

那个b➕12法则真踏马大部分全是凑数的

你踏马能不能把星辰篇觉醒限制删了啊

要不然一堆角色这辈子不配角色

就跟你一样，这辈子不配活着

@ionic stratus

说➕12不会拆分机制

你踏马看看那个杜勒

➕12和其他完全两个物种

以往最怕大炮轰蚊子。现在巴不得大炮轰蚊子

他妈改变输出手法的东西

不是改变机制是他妈改变什么

[jaunty olive]

Dyss

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Can you swim and die quickly. Don't be disgusting

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Dyss

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Most of the b➕12 rule real horses are made up of numbers

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Dyss

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Can you please delete the Star Chapter Awakening Limit

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Dyss

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Otherwise, a bunch of characters will never be worthy of roles in their lives

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Dyss

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Just like you, you don't deserve to live in this life

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Dyss

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Dead mom, things, animals, things

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Dyss

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Say ➕12 will not split the mechanism

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Dyss

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You step on the horse and look at that Dürer

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It's not the mechanism that changes that's what the mother changes

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Dyss

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@ionic stratus Your mom is dead

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Wokao Nima

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[granite jungle]

翻譯有料

[native monolith]

我不行了

your mom is dead😭😭

[heavy dawn]

這翻譯真強吧連我靠妳媽都翻出來了

[muted sage]

+12 killed my mom

🙁

[native monolith]

LMAO😭😭😭😭😭😭

[lilac basin]

I'm not looking forward to Saya collab anymore, with Mouchette AA being fucking broken there's a very high chance they will reduce Saya into waifubait and whalebait slop for the collab

🚮

BIAV is so washed

[native monolith]

biav is so cooked

[lilac basin]

I hope their revenue actually tank

to the point they reach EOS

this game is supposed to die at arc 1

🚮

[true dome]

Jesus man.
It's just video game. Like I at this point you might have dangerous parasocial relationship with this game

[heavy dawn]

很好笑

[native monolith]

ts not the first time that cn players have encountered this kind of thing,it’s okay for individual players to vent their anger...

[lilac basin]

to begin with it was the CN whales throwing money at this game

[true dome]

I guess it's a culture thing.

[lilac basin]

that it even escape EOS to begin with

I bet most of them are deeply regret their past generousity now

[native monolith]

personal problem...

not all the cn player like that

[true dome]

sigh 😔

[native monolith]

😔🥀💔

[true dome]

I hope things work out for the better then mate

[lime perch]

CN players’ default setting is personal attacks

just flaming the game like this is basically peak civility

[native monolith]

☠️

-# make it clear again,not all CN players are like that

😭🥀💔

[true dome]

It does sadly paint a very strong picture tho 😕

[lilac basin]

loud minority moment huh

[true dome]

From all the Gacha drama I have seen over the hears

[lime perch]

[true dome]

Ye

[lilac basin]

aiyaaa

[native monolith]

mhm..

[trail skiff]

aieeeeeeee 最终法则为何？

[lilac basin]

pls speak engrish rain 😭 I cant read moonrunes

[native monolith]

最終法則are bullshit

[wheat dove]

我一想到新人入坑打听哪个角色强 老人甩出一大片表格说xx先抽个16次再说我就想笑

[robust oxide]

这加强待遇差距也太太太明显了吧...

某角色90%是临反结果只能从永反得到增益

然后有角色却能得到开大加一堆强效还能回更多狂的超有效加强

5771想要赚钱😭

[glass remnant]

@fresh crane 《我们会关注弱势角色》指淡漠双鸟猛猛加强，潘珊灯塔蜘蛛给点蚊子腿或者不痛不痒的增强吗，哦原来我们的淡漠双鸟是弱势角色啊那可太弱势了👍 👍 👍

[robust oxide]

很好奇对游戏最包容的歪果仁接受得了吗

[glass remnant]

@fresh crane 《我们并不打算通过最终法则的方式来代替对角色基础能力、或者启灵能力的补强，最终法则这是独立审视的内容。我们也会持续关注关乎一些早期角色在当前新环境的表现，对于存在显著基础缺陷的，我们会择机在基础层面进行增强，而不是通过最终法则去纠正些问题》来来来你看着淡漠鸟弟杜勒的最终法则再念一遍

[ivory kayak]

Does it always happen when people are not happy with updates? Like, the chat's full of threats

[true dome]

Only when Devs become "greedy" or add a perishable thing.

[true dome]

Id say just take a hike for a bit. I can already feel the dissolution

[cerulean birch]

I would be happy with doomposting that this anyday ,like what are those threats 😭

[somber sentinel]

???

[steep shore]

首先我是这个游戏开服5天后的全勤玩家，我经历了砍福袋，米粒逆天剧情，加超限，+12命轮，半周年，各种角色/命轮加强，深潜全部改版，拿过很多榜一，，pvp全部改版也拿过几次榜一，容灾全部改版也拿过很多满分，2个月1个角色，打复活赛，星辰篇各种逆天改动，角色的明砍暗砍。各种弱的角色配上内部恨弱的没边的加强，各种强势角色配上内部爱的逆天加强。之前深潜每天都有动力去抢榜一，现在开一把都是恶心到我。之前pvp一个版本改动好几次，我总有上号开几把的动力，现在一个版本42天改动一次，各种不平衡玩下来让我觉得恶心。我经历过自己玩的pvp角色逆天连砍好几次打算卖号跑路，然后被轮选模式留下来，现在这个轮选跟预组一样垃圾，先后手差距大的要死，经常先后手决定输赢。之前21天一个角色，现在42天一个角色。之前没钱没赢复活赛没产能，现在有钱有产能打赢复活赛了，怎么比之前一个角色出来还要更多时间了？你产能是变成钱去请大牌cv开广播剧了吗？还是一直开发日服全孝敬洋大人去了？pvp产能呢？改几个数据的事都不做了？你全权接管pvp后，我只从pvp感觉到恶心，哪来的快乐？最终法则一堆凑数的，一堆不配觉醒的加上凑数的，一堆内部恨垃圾加强，一堆内部爱逆天加强。你就只出那些卖腐的男的和一堆没啥衣服的女的加上你那h繁衍狂热恶心人。
我之前支持认同过砍福袋，维护理解建议过超限/命轮，反对过各种逆天改动。但是我现在只有恶心，也只想人身攻击你还有你那逆天改动策划

@fresh crane

[native monolith]

實在不行最終法則刪了吧。。。

還是你真的打算放棄中區玩家了。

@ionic stratus

[robust oxide]

或许他只想赚欧元美金（

万一5771真是一款良心好游戏呢

[steep shore]

First of all, I’m a player who’s been playing every day since the game launched five days in. I’ve been through the nerf of the lucky bags, Mi Li’s awful storyline, the addition of Overlimit and +12 Fate Wheels, the half-anniversary, various character/Fate Wheel buffs, all the Deep Dive revamps—I’ve gotten many #1 ranks there. I’ve also seen all the PvP revamps and gotten #1 several times, and all the Disaster Tolerance revamps where I got full scores many times. Then it became one new character every two months, plus the revival bracket nonsense, the terrible changes in the Astral Chapter, and both obvious and hidden nerfs to characters. Weak characters get laughably weak buffs that feel like internal hate, while strong characters get ridiculously OP buffs that feel like internal favoritism.

I used to have the motivation to fight for #1 in Deep Dive every day, but now just opening a match disgusts me. I used to have the urge to hop into PvP every time a patch dropped—sometimes multiple times a patch—but now each version lasts 42 days with barely any changes, and the imbalance just makes me sick. I’ve been through my own PvP main getting brutally nerfed multiple times to the point I wanted to sell my account, but the pick-ban mode kept me around. Now even that mode is as trash as the premade decks, with turn order deciding way too many matches.

It used to be one new character every 21 days, now it’s every 42 days. Back then you had no money and lost the revival bracket so no dev capacity, but now you have money and dev capacity and even won the revival bracket—so why does it take even longer than before to release a single character? Did your dev capacity turn into money for big-name voice actors and radio dramas? Or have you been focusing on the JP server, kowtowing to foreign players? Where’s the PvP content? It’s just tweaking a few numbers, and you can’t even do that? Ever since you fully took over PvP, all I’ve felt is disgust—where’s the fun?

[native monolith]

我想不到除了刪除最終法則還有什麼其他的解法可以同時保住兩邊的玩家

[steep shore]

Final Codex is full of filler characters, unworthy Awakenings, garbage buffs for internally hated characters, and ridiculously OP buffs for internally favored ones. All you put out are those male characters designed for shipping and half-naked female characters, plus your weird breeding fetish nonsense.

I used to support and agree with the lucky bag nerf, defend and understand the Overlimit/Fate Wheel additions, and oppose all kinds of awful changes. But now I’m just disgusted, and I only want to attack you and your god-awful balance team personally.

@ionic stratus

[jaunty olive]

Dyss

From Chinese (Simplified) (ZH_HANS) To English (EN)

First of all, I am a full-time player 5 days after the start of this game. I have experienced the plot of cutting the lucky bag, rice grains against the sky, plus the overrun limit, +12 life wheels, half anniversary, various characters/life wheels have been strengthened, deep diving has been completely revised, and I have won many firsts on the list, pvp has been completely revised and won firsts several times, disaster tolerance has been completely revised and won many full marks, 2 months and 1 character, In the resurrection match, various anti-sky changes were made in the Star Arc, and the characters were cut open and closed. Various weak characters are paired with boundless internal hatred of the weak, and various strong characters are paired with counter-intuitive internal love. I used to have the motivation to grab the top spot every day when I was diving deep, but now I am disgusted by the fact that I can only open one. Before, when I changed a version of pvp several times, I always had the motivation to drive a few more. Now, I change a version every 42 days, and all kinds of imbalances make me feel sick after playing. I have experienced the pvp character I played, who cut against the sky several times in a row, intending to sell his account and run away, and then was left behind in the rotation mode. Now this rotation is as rubbish as the pre-group. He has a big gap between his hands and is about to die, and often his hands decide whether to win or lose. Previously there was one character in 21 days, now there is one character in 42 days. I had no money, no ability to win the resurrection match before, but now I have money and ability to win the resurrection match. How can it take more time than when a character came out before? Did your production capacity become money to hire big-name CVs to start radio dramas? Or has he been developing the Japanese server, Mr. Quan Xiaojingyang? What about pvp capacity? Didn't do anything to change a few data? After you took over pvp in full power, I only felt sick from pvp. Where did the happiness come from? The final law is a bunch of numbers, a bunch of things that are not worthy of awakening plus numbers, a bunch of internal hate garbage strengthening, a bunch of internal love against heaven strengthening. You just give out those rotten men and a bunch of women with no clothes plus your h reproduction fanatic disgusting people.
I have previously supported and agreed with cutting the lucky bag, maintained understanding and suggested exceeding the limit/life wheel, and opposed various changes against the will of heaven. But now I am only disgusted and only want to attack you personally and your counter-intuitive change plan

Translation requested by Dyss from Flag-Reaction Feature.

[wheat dove]

的受够了内部恨了，眼里从来没有角色本身，所有调整、所有加强凭冲的高低来看，任凭角色被边缘化、强度拉胯，连最基本的公平对待都做不到。
你猫从来不懂，每个角色背后都有一群真心守护的厨子，我们为角色倾注热爱、投入精力，不是为了看你们用热度衡量一切。猫肆意践踏玩家的热爱，完全不在意厨子们的期待与心碎，把游戏当成纯粹逐利的工具，抛弃了最基本的创作初心和对玩家的尊重。
长此以往，失去的不只是角色的热度，更是所有真心玩家的信任。这种唯利是图终究会耗尽所有人的耐心，让忘却前夜彻底失去原本的温度与意义！

[jaunty olive]

Dyss

From Chinese (Simplified) (ZH_HANS) To English (EN)

I have had enough of the internal hatred. I never see the role itself. From the perspective of all adjustments and all strengthening, I can't even do the most basic fair treatment.
Your cat never understood that behind every character there is a group of chefs who truly protect them. We pour our love and energy into our characters, not to see you measure everything by heat. The cat tramples on the player's love freely, completely unconcerned with the chefs' expectations and heartbreak, treats the game as a tool for pure profit, and abandons the most basic original intention of creation and respect for players.
Over time, what has been lost is not only the popularity of the character, but also the trust of all sincere players. This kind of profit-seeking will eventually exhaust everyone's patience and make Forget the Eve completely lose its original warmth and meaning!

Translation requested by Dyss from Flag-Reaction Feature.

[heavy dawn]

別逗你鍵帽笑了

[wheat dove]

I'm really fed up with internal hatred. I never see the role itself in my eyes. From the perspective of all adjustments and all enhancements, I can't even do the most basic fair treatment despite the marginalization and intensity of the role.
You cats never understand that behind each character there are a group of cooks who sincerely guard. We pour our love and energy into the characters, not to see you measure everything with heat. Cats trample on the love of players, completely ignoring the expectations and heartbreak of cooks, treating the game as a purely profit-seeking tool, abandoning the most basic creative intentions and respect for players.
over time, what he lost is not only the popularity of his characters, but also the trust of all sincere players. This draw water to one's mill will eventually exhaust everyone's patience and make forgetting the night before completely lose its original temperature and meaning!

[steep shore]

你游有什么很新的活动吗？每次活动不都照搬之前活动，现在新活动全是落地战，新地图都没有，上次新地图还是第9章BOSS，过了1年多了，一张新地图都没有，玩的多的都能背下来什么路线什么事件了。所谓的新肉鸽列车？那不就几章主线缝一块了，造物共鸣缝一块了，怪物数值后面添几个0。有什么耗产能的？出了自动，然后又把自动给删了部分关卡，生怕别人自动日常50牌啊？
各种定制章节定制主线定制BOSS。尤其是第4章BOSS，全是按照sp墨菲逆天强度来的。前三章BOSS难度加起来有第四章BOSS一半难度吗？全抬的献祭，直接把直伤砍死。还有那个旧日余烬，美名其曰增强角色输出，你要不看看怪物血量翻了几倍？BOSS血量翻了几倍，旧日余烬就是最恶心的buff。第3章鱼群还有死扛怪直接砍死血链，第4章砍死直伤队，第5章你又打算出什么逆天东西？又要砍死什么队？
我从深潜全勤玩家变成pvp全勤玩家变成一天最多一把50牌玩家。打融灾拿奖励都觉得恶心。你告诉我深潜列车pvp改成赛季制轮换上场模式。强制pvp玩家打pve，pve玩家打pvp，本来就没啥有意思的东西玩，现在逼着玩恶心的东西。没产能出新模式怎么办？诶！我们逼着玩家玩恶心的旧模式不就行了？！
这要是你一拍脑子想出来的，我觉得你还是早点滚蛋吧。当初死在周年祭就是最好的选择。

@ionic stratus

[jaunty olive]

Madigan Mason

From Chinese (Simplified) (ZH_HANS) To English (EN)

Are there any new activities you swim? Every activity is not copied from the previous activity. Now the new activities are all landing battles, and there are no new maps. The last new map was the Chapter 9 boss. More than a year later, there is no new map. People who play a lot can memorize any route and event. The so-called new pigeon train? That's not just about sewing a piece into the main plot of a few chapters, sewing a piece into the resonance of creation, and adding a few zeros after the monster value. What is the capacity consuming? After the automatic was released, some levels were deleted from the automatic. Are you afraid that others will automatically play 50 cards every day?
Various custom chapters, custom main lines, custom BOSS. Especially the boss in Chapter 4, all of them are based on the strength of Sp Murphy's counter-heaven. Are the first three chapters of boss difficulty half the difficulty of the fourth chapter of boss combined? A sacrifice carried in full, directly cutting to death the direct wounds. And that old ember, which is beautifully called enhanced character output, why don't you see how much the monster's health has doubled? BOSS blood levels have doubled several times, and the embers of old are the most disgusting buff. In Chapter 3, the octopus school and the dead monster directly hacked to death the blood chain, in Chapter 4, they hacked to death the direct injury team, and in Chapter 5, what kind of anti-Heaven thing are you planning to do? What team are you going to hack to death?
I went from being a full-time deep dive player to a full-time pvp player to a player with up to a handful of 50 cards a day. It's disgusting to receive rewards for disaster relief. You told me that the deep dive train pvp will be changed to a season-based rotation mode. Force pvp players to play pve, pve players to play pvp, there was nothing interesting to play in the first place, and now they are forced to play disgusting things. What should I do if I don't have the capacity to develop a new model? Hey! Isn't it enough that we force players to play the disgusting old mode?!
If you had come up with this in your head, I think you should have gotten out early. Dying at the anniversary festival is the best option.

Translation requested by Madigan Mason from Flag-Reaction Feature.

[robust oxide]

就滑跪速度来看，咱猫哥应该是对此挺满意的了

二游特有的社区吃瓜比游戏本体好玩

[reef flax]

🥲

[wary kernel]

校猫有什么错呢，他只是想让游戏死快点

[fiery hollow]

我的福袋才+8啦，我想問問那些+12大佬
福袋是有強到 靈塑適性只能加強在商品打折嗎
福袋是有強到 維度映像只能加強1費加那點力量嗎
福袋是有強到 最終法則會差那張超維空間裡的0費斷頸嗎
要是沒有鳥弟我都認了，鳥弟這一而再再而三的加強，忘卻篇的舊角色就不配加強嗎

[jaunty olive]

Madigan Mason

From Chinese (Traditional) (ZH_HANT) To English (EN)

My lucky bag is only +8, I want to ask those +12 bosses
Are lucky bags strong enough that their plasticity can only be enhanced when the product is on sale
Is the lucky bag so strong that the dimensional image can only strengthen 1 Fegana's power
Is the lucky bag so strong that the final law will break the neck at 0 fees in that super-dimensional space
If I didn't recognize Brother Bird, Brother Bird would not be worthy of strengthening his old role in the forgetting chapter if he strengthened it again and again

Translation requested by Madigan Mason from Flag-Reaction Feature.

[viscid nimbus]

十五命完全体神游🤡

[astral notch]

Is this racism? That’s quite interesting. Because in China, there are already many outstanding games. In comparison, this game really falls far behind in both content and overall enjoyment. The deeper the love, the deeper the disappointment. When players voice criticism toward the developers, it’s naturally for the sake of the game’s better development. Yet you still strongly support this kind of game content, it’s like giving fine food to someone who can’t appreciate it. I suggest you get more exposure to the industry before speaking, instead of casually blaming Chinese players for having issues.

这是种族歧视吗？那还挺有意思的。中国其实已经有很多非常优秀的游戏了。相比之下，《忘却前夜》无论是在内容还是趣味性上，确实差距不小。爱得越深，失望也越深。玩家提出反对意见，本质上是希望游戏能够变得更好。反倒是你，对这样的游戏内容依然如此支持，就像野猪吃不了细糠。建议你多了解一下行业再发言，而不是动不动就把问题归咎于中国玩家。

[raven pilot]

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[neon vigil]

The image quality is terrible. The text is impossible to read.

[raven pilot]

Oh, I'm sorry, I'll check it now.

[neon vigil]

Ok, thanks for attention

[torn trout]

Открой его в браузере

[neon vigil]

открыл с компа и всё было нормиально

[primal owl]

給自家親親燒雞哭弱不拐男角色是不會說話的

[steep shore]

我说的不是事实？

雪莲雪莲链条0费持续回合给鸟弟了，不是事实？

[lapis berry]

呃？

[primal owl]

你家血鏈剛登場時把全輸出都爆了，現在還沒被新角色爆你就要偷笑了。還鏈條0費持續回合被偷了，這機制是寫在血鏈技能組裡嗎？當初太超模被星辰篇規則限制，現在無能狂怒找個看不順眼的角色發洩罷了

[lapis berry]

我寻思拿鸟弟说难道不是

这俩是一个赛道吗

直伤流血

怎么还整上二厕那种男角色女角色论了

[south veldt]

怎麼還開始辱角色了，你遊也要玩這種賽道嗎

[lapis berry]

也是混上二厕了

[steep shore]

你就说是不是0费持续回合给鸟弟了吧

还无关角色上了

乐死我了

[lapis berry]

这社区就别整这一套了

这俩完全一个体系

拿来对比很正常

你不应该喷猫吗

[torpid moon]

別搞男女差異了

[rare parcel]

聽說這裡有神人

[primal owl]

不是啊，這麽難理解嗎？

[torpid moon]

這都多少年的老套路了

[south veldt]

看不懂噴貓帶角色的邏輯

[torpid moon]

你要扯也扯點創新的吧

都看膩了

[lapis berry]

你要是说这俩不是一个体系

你说没啥

这俩都是伤转出血

拿来对比很正常吧

[swift zenith]

先噴校貓先噴校貓先噴校貓先噴校貓先噴校貓先噴校貓先噴校貓先噴校貓先噴校貓先噴校貓先噴校貓先噴校貓

[torpid moon]

難道要拿希洛比血希嗎

[steep shore]

我单论这个机制，星辰篇把雪莲的删了，然后转头给鸟弟加上了

[lapis berry]

快进到全部人打入宅男哥宅女姐

[stark sedge]

你加数值随便加吧，反正一大堆的角色全在加数值

[steep shore]

内部爱内部恨还有什么好说的

[torpid moon]

別
逗
你
希
姐
笑
了

[steep shore]

是不是专门给雪莲加的这个机制

[lapis berry]

快进到过一会微博上：dc一堆宅男哥宅女姐真恶俗

[left imp]

你嘴里的亲亲烧鸡开服就有，你怎么还捏着鼻子在玩

[heavy dawn]

dc一堆宅男哥宅女姐真恶俗

[torpid moon]

還有地瓜呢

[stark sedge]

但是机制这个东西，当初删除就是觉得不合理，那现在为什么能重新搬出来，既然搬出来为什么不是还给原主

[torpid moon]

怎麼能缺地瓜

[stark sedge]

我不理解

[steep shore]

还搁那烧鸡

[torpid moon]

問就是沒有收益

[steep shore]

乐

[lapis berry]

我们这里也有变成二游公厕了吗

[torpid moon]

老人早有+12ㄌ

[lapis berry]

男权女权全来了

[torpid moon]

爆不出金幣

[lapis berry]

[stark sedge]

人设那些我不关心了，我只想大大方方讨论强度和机制

[south veldt]

反正我覺得上升到罵角色只是賣腐的或是雞已經脫離原意了
但如果討論機制必須要帶上這些的話
你各位隨意()

[stark sedge]

我觉得不合理

[south veldt]

我們就不能只罵校貓亂拔機制跟亂給機制嗎

[torpid moon]

血希的最終疑似是拿別人機制改的

[somber sentinel]

我也想噴茉夏技能設計照抄鯨魚模板，哈基米是真不用心

[torpid moon]

單純換皮效果

名字不同而已

加強給的摳摳搜搜的

怎麼

[swift zenith]

不能 要罵校貓為啥不出杯子

[torpid moon]

血希現在還強嗎？

[rare parcel]

血希不該加強嗎

[lapis berry]

其实照这个逻辑

旺达刚出你游第一份分裂女

后面出个男的

[somber sentinel]

哈基米要不要交代一下😡

[heavy dawn]

上次登入遊戲什麼時候啊

[lapis berry]

我是不是可以说机制给分裂男了

然后就有人可以喷我

[rare parcel]

這跟以前把輸出爆了有甚麼關係 那請問了 現在鳥弟還部輪椅嗎 憑甚麼繼續給這種級別的加強

[south veldt]

這屬於罵貓

沒意見

我愛看

[lapis berry]

说你烧鸡女角色刚出就是第一分裂

现在不乐意了？

[heavy dawn]

真的有在玩遊戲還講的出來血希強嗎

[rare parcel]

在你眼裡 鳥弟難道沒有把別人爆了?

[lapis berry]

你自己看看这段话好笑不

[rare parcel]

你有在玩遊戲嗎 大哥?

[torpid moon]

別
逗
你
鳥
神
笑
了

[rare parcel]

@primal owl 出來

別躲了

[obsidian dome]

血希原來現在不強嗎

[torpid moon]

血希是什麼路邊一條

開狂才有的傷轉流血

[stark sedge]

血希现在绑定一堆东西的情况下还有一战之力

[lapis berry]

还有追着咬这一块

[heavy dawn]

很好笑

[stark sedge]

单看角色不是很够

[torpid moon]

鳥弟開覺醒就有了

[heavy dawn]

追著打這塊沒人比他強

[rare parcel]

看到神人就來氣

[torpid moon]

純度這塊（

手法展示環節

[steep shore]

我承认我后半句牵扯到卖腐这块是我的问题，但是你把别人的机制删了然后反手再给别人装上

很难不牵扯到内部爱

[stark sedge]

🤡

[torpid moon]

笑死

人又跑了

[heavy dawn]

什麼時候快進到一人血書dc一堆宅男宅女追著他打

[torpid moon]

剛剛有露頭

@rare parcel 你嘴巴真的很臭

[steep shore]

我又不是xyy来玩你游的

[heavy dawn]

@rare parcel 你嘴巴真的很臭

[steep shore]

我就是来打牌的

[south veldt]

所以說

噴貓吧

一切都是貓的錯

[steep shore]

你游一堆h内容我都没看过

[torpid moon]

賤貓不得好死

[rare parcel]

靠邀

我還以為回我了呢

到底

出來啊

[south veldt]

最終法則根本就不應該這個時候端出來

[heavy dawn]

你真的很會噴

[lapis berry]

你们完了

[torpid moon]

俗辣啊

這就

[rare parcel]

忙猜 根本不玩遊戲的又來了

[lapis berry]

一会你们就可以在微博找你们大头照了

[heavy dawn]

給人家噴的一直輸入都沒講話了

[torpid moon]

超好笑

[rare parcel]

別再逗人笑了

[torpid moon]

能找到算他厲害

[lapis berry]

说dc一堆爱女宅男跟爱男宅女

[torpid moon]

我反手一個舉報

[lapis berry]

[south veldt]

要笑死

[torpid moon]

說點大家不知道的

[long blaze]

怎么在内战

[south veldt]

是說Q群那邊沒有嗎還是相對少

[lapis berry]

互联网很神奇的，仅仅是意见不同，你就能找到你的身份证

[long blaze]

能不能团结一致冲校猫

[steep shore]

事已至此

[heavy dawn]

講點話的同時身分證緩慢生成中

[grizzled oxide]

我说直接辱骂女角色真的很恶心吧，本来都是在骂猫的结果直接矛盾转移到男女对立上了

[primal owl]

不懂嗎？指新角色比舊角色強很正常，更何況這個舊角色已經出很久了。你對不同角色的最終法則強度有意見請自己找校貓諮詢

[heavy dawn]

我們難道不是在噴校貓嗎

[left imp]

小笨手半天打出这个

[heavy dawn]

你也知道該噴貓啊

[south veldt]

我們一直都在噴校貓吧

[rare parcel]

那請問了 我們不是找校貓諮詢嗎?

[torpid moon]

這邊的知道了

[steep mirage]

@fresh crane 你儿子死了

[rare parcel]

那與你何干?

[torpid moon]

有人當導播

[rare parcel]

你出來擋槍作甚?

[heavy dawn]

憋半天還以為有什麼長篇大論要說只憋出這一點來啊

[torpid moon]

超好笑

[grizzled oxide]

既得利益者能不能闭上嘴啊，得了好处就私底下吃着行吗？

[rare parcel]

他標你了?

[lapis berry]

孩子们

我们要知道

[heavy dawn]

@primal owl 你是校貓小帳你就眨眨眼

[swift zenith]

挺好的

[lapis berry]

群攻跟精准攻击是不一样的

[torpid moon]

@primal owl 串的不像下次努力

[lapis berry]

如果你觉得你被群攻攻击到你了，那说明攻击的就是你

[torpid moon]

毫無攻擊力

[lapis berry]

1

[torpid moon]

只會用老套路代公式

[rare parcel]

阿怎麼又跑了

[lapis berry]

为什么人家喷猫你会生气

[rare parcel]

對阿

[lapis berry]

他会觉得你们性别歧视

[heavy dawn]

到底在湊什麼熱鬧

[rare parcel]

關你屁是阿 @primal owl

[lapis berry]

一帮宅男哥

[torpid moon]

酵素

蜂蜜是女的

[heavy dawn]

對我是女的

我是宅女

我是宅女愛男哥我死了

[swift zenith]

好 我破防了

[torpid moon]

這裡還有一個二元性別的

[grizzled oxide]

一直在喷猫你非要出来拐一句男女对立，神人来的

[heavy dawn]

很好笑

[lapis berry]

还好我没格调也没福

[torpid moon]

反正論政治正確

[lapis berry]

差点以为在说我

[somber sentinel]

到底是不爽什麼要跳出來當陰陽師起手燒雞哭弱

[torpid moon]

你贏啥了？

[lapis berry]

1

[heavy dawn]

你憋半天還以為有什麼心事呢原來就憋這坨啊

[lapis berry]

可能人家说麦麸他刚好就是

[torpid moon]

以為是個大的結果是坨大的

[lapis berry]

完事地图炮踹到了

但是

[lapis berry]

1

[grizzled oxide]

我说真的这就是你猫的目的，搞出来社区对立然后自己美美隐身，孝子冲击来了

[heavy dawn]

再三放送很好笑

[rare parcel]

還真是

[heavy dawn]

一個最終法則公告真炸出一堆神人來的

[rare parcel]

和意味

[heavy dawn]

@primal owl 你真的不是校貓小帳嗎

[swift zenith]

建議誘導發言
然後檢舉帳號

[torpid moon]

超好笑

[long blaze]

又到了我最爱的社区pvp环节

[heavy dawn]

我說這就是鍵帽小帳出來引導發言啊

[torpid moon]

我是不能舉報他說歧視二元性別

[swift zenith]

檢舉未達到discord年齡是最容易的

[torpid moon]

我的性別是圖魯的觸腕

[lapis berry]

1

我说你觉得你被攻击

你就受着好吗

人家如果艾特你喷你

[long blaze]

我立刻拥护你为下一个闲者映天

[grizzled oxide]

你游也是要学二游美美玩社区了，就事论事都做不到还觉得自己没问题。加强不均不是事实？删除机制不是事实？

[lapis berry]

大伙会帮你说话

人家一没点你二没喷你

[sand helm]

性別是缸中之腦

[lapis berry]

地图炮挂到就开始讹人吗

有点意思

[lapis berry]

1

[south veldt]

我的自我認同甚至都不是人類

[torpid moon]

你現在最好的洗白方式是罵賤貓然後帳號消失

[lapis berry]

装死就行了

每次都是这样

一有啥事

[south veldt]

換號就行了

[lapis berry]

就出来从来没见过的人

[torpid moon]

會有鞭屍環節的

[lapis berry]

然后再也不说话

我上午就说过这话

[south veldt]

很難不懷疑貓在洗

[swift zenith]

discord換帳號太方便

[grizzled oxide]

本来大家都在冲猫，你突然跳出来叫一句全把火力吸自己身上了，不是猫孝子就是猫本人，还有什么别的解释吗

[torpid moon]

比如某紅袖

[swift zenith]

我3分鐘可以創帳號進來一次

[rare parcel]

他直接隱身了

[heavy dawn]

我就說卡墨是預言家

[rare parcel]

沒料

戰鬥力太弱了

[torpid moon]

@rare parcel 這你最熟

[heavy dawn]

早上剛說完呢下午就出現了

[rare parcel]

紅袖比他強多了

[lapis berry]

我说我是预言家有没有懂

[rare parcel]

我至少噴他噴了兩小時他才跑

[lapis berry]

两年社区经验这一块

[rare parcel]

這個不到五分鐘

[torpid moon]

代預言家：卡墨

[lapis berry]

他纯嘴硬

[long blaze]

红袖谁啊

[heavy dawn]

刀了

[lapis berry]

你看看我发的那一段英语

他为什么不回啊

好奇怪

[rare parcel]

說 最終法則是好的玩意的神人

[lapis berry]

You don't have to care about him. It's like a killer knocking on the door with a knife. His friends are saying don't open the door for him. He will hurt you, but he says: You can't say he will if it doesn't happen. I know he will hurt me, but I don't think he will hurt me. You have to provide data that he will hurt me, and I don't think I have to provide data that won't hurt me. There's no obligation. My obligation is to reject this statement, he said so, you believe him, there is no need to care.

[heavy dawn]

現在叫維姬芬了

[lapis berry]

他为什么不回我这句话

好奇怪

[torpid moon]

笑死

突然就有種大腦褶皺被撫平的感覺

[long blaze]

有一说一如果+4以内就能用最终法则那确实是好东西

[torpid moon]

感覺來到了沙灘上

[long blaze]

但不能+12

[lapis berry]

感觉不如我当年在dc拱火

认识我的都知道我早年是串子

[torpid moon]

卡墨派對

哈哈

[swift zenith]

每次爛更新都一定有人說這是好東西

[lapis berry]

什么我都在拱火

[torpid moon]

直接墜機20多個卡墨

[rare parcel]

還真是

然後自己不玩遊戲

[swift zenith]

好拱

[thorny mango]

这个游戏为什么还会有护官宝这类生物

[lapis berry]

我之前天天有一事情就带动群众情绪

[heavy dawn]

一看上次登入時間都不知道得多久以前了

[lapis berry]

就比如现在

[somber sentinel]

拱拱哈基米

[heavy dawn]

沒有護官寶應該是鍵帽小帳

[lapis berry]

摊牌了

[swift zenith]

想你了 可以在搞事了

[lapis berry]

我只是想看吵架才喊你们

[torpid moon]

問就是看看隔壁棚

[lapis berry]

[torpid moon]

畜牧業多發達

[swift zenith]

好像也不是這問題才瘋狂被踢

[lapis berry]

我被踢只是

我一开始在群说了句无形的哈基米哈气了

他给我踢

我又进

说：他踢了我再进不就行

然后破防了

看到我就踢

踢了十几个

[torpid moon]

繃

[swift zenith]

之後就卡墨派對了

應該是這樣子

[thorny mango]

hh

[lapis berry]

后面就是他们看我又被踢

一堆人改我名字

还整了个弥撒格传奇排行榜

[thorny mango]

猫猫是皇帝来的拉

[lapis berry]

把我整前几

猫咪最后

然后20多个全踢了

[thorny mango]

[torpid moon]

超絕吉咪哈氣亂撓

[grizzled oxide]

还有田叔叔的事

[torpid moon]

廣域攻擊

打20

[lapis berry]

为什么不是口口叔叔

[swift zenith]

害我的卡墨要開到6號

[south veldt]

笑死

怎麼突然開始講古

[swift zenith]

前面的幾號聊天打幾句話就被踢

[lapis berry]

不赖我

谁让你顶着我ID乱玩

[swift zenith]

至少我本帳是良民

[swift zenith]

被踢了還要開VPN才能進來

[lapis berry]

不用啊

改邮件就行

[swift zenith]

我之前是這樣
新帳號也點不進來

[swift zenith]

我用同一個註冊帳號

[tall mauve]

pure poesy

[heavy dawn]

差點看成什麼pussy嚇死我了

[brazen badge]

Gotta love it when earlier this week they said something along the lines of "we know this game is very dupes intensive, sorry, it was our mistake and we want to make it better" and then release broken +12s

[steady basin]

这游戏看到也是正常的

[mint mural]

星辰男的最終都很強其實很好理解
校貓想要逼玩家抽角＞男角流水不好所以最終給超強玩家就會去抽了

男角不賺錢所以不出新男角，但舊男角既然已經出了就要榨乾最後一滴油水

[weak marsh]

I know what you're trying to say, but does the formatting have to be like this

[cerulean birch]

Please explain what they are trying to say

[lapis berry]

This is what I said before, and the summary of the person's speech at that time was like this.

[weak marsh]

I'd try, but it is a bit over the place

[lapis berry]

I just copied it, and it has nothing to do with this post.

[weak marsh]

In Chinese or in English though

[lapis berry]

I don't understand. My translation is a little strange to express your meaning.

[weak marsh]

就是你翻譯不行啦www

[lapis berry]

不是

会说中文啊

早说

[lapis berry]

因为我的翻译器是这样的

他翻译那个格式我也没办法

[prime bronze]

[lapis berry]

能大概理解意思就行

[weak marsh]

不懂打中文字 所以通常用英文

[lapis berry]

你让我用英语大白话沟通我肯定不行

[weak marsh]

這個嘛...

[lapis berry]

翻译器会扭曲我的意思

大概懂就行

[prime bronze]

[weak marsh]

mao

[native monolith]

dc一堆宅男哥宅女姐真恶俗

[reef flax]

你游被国内某数字游戏 抄完了

😅

看得难受玩得难受
两边都不是好东西

手心手背都是屎

无光之国cat在天上失望的看着所谓的双坑玩家

lxhy打得过slhd吗

[vivid geyser]

我下午昏睡过去了错过性别对立大战，真可惜
张嘴就骂角色，味太冲了
而且凭什么旧卡就一定比新卡弱？这不就是不平衡导致的？而且你游还一直在改角色，这里加一点那里砍一刀的，那凭什么每次修改的时候做不到角色强度平衡？还不是你猫是废物导致的？

[thorny mango]

孝猫是吧，笑飞了

[rare hamlet]

Bout trusting the assurance of the guy who’ll screw u over that he’ll not hurt u even if all of the circumstantial evidence points up to him hurting u

Suspension of disbelief mfw

[hardy estuary]

我不行了

[native monolith]

666你遊也是被抄上了

@ionic stratus 來看一下

依舊超維界域

[reef flax]

获取灵犀、紫色配色、超凡五感、额外回合

🤪