📜 V2.5.0 版本前瞻·上┊Version Outlook - Part Ⅰ

[main palm]

why?

[tranquil swallow]

@pearl topaz

[pearl topaz]

i meant pin

sorry

[tranquil swallow]

haha

get pinged

ellie

take that

easy

[pearl topaz]

[wraith prism]

still no kit

[tranquil swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-edited-message-cat-eating-watermelon-gif-12651679745378723106

[wraith prism]

20k silver a day

now

pls

[frank stratus]

Part 2 tomorrow
Part 3 on saturday
Kit on sunday

[pearl topaz]

@fathom rose @outer steeple pin light statement please :3 so people can read it

[frank stratus]

[humble dirge]

So time-limited wishes... Right.

[wraith prism]

people can't read

[errant canopy]

Nah 500k but the pulls cost 20000

[tranquil swallow]

he kinda also said events give more silver so you can still hoard silver

[pearl topaz]

we just read

[north scarab]

100 silver btw

[silver arrow]

so uh, what is the reasoning behind this change?

[wraith prism]

we don't know
(money)

[pearl topaz]

some core gameplay changes id guess

[main palm]

less hoarding, more spending

makes players try units they wouldn't otherwise pull for

[proven eagle]

Больше двух слов прочесть не осиливаем, да? Кринжуля.

[pearl topaz]

thanks lyra

[wraith prism]

(money)

[safe palm]

The saw I saved up 600 pulls and decided to take action

[errant canopy]

I guess we got ethereal pulls now

[wraith prism]

(money)

[tranquil swallow]

ur right, they gay

[outer steeple]

So what happened? I will correct it

[tranquil swallow]

from 700 to 800

scammed

[woven abyss]

More pure pulls for me

[wraith prism]

morigay

gaymens

[main palm]

@outer steeple can u pin top message too

[wraith prism]

wait

[balmy lagoon]

Glory to biav

10k silver

[proven eagle]

Everything is ok actually. Guy complains for use of two similar words with different meaning.

[errant canopy]

How about 6.7k

[wraith prism]

Kill Idot

[tranquil swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170692781216378960/1489268396934561873/leave_server.gif

[open wyvern]

glory to biav

[pearl topaz]

just use the new currency to build pity

easy

hoarding saved

[wraith prism]

fuels gambling addiction

[pearl topaz]

just one more pull.

[main palm]

mfw i hit some shitter in 6 pulls

[wraith prism]

https://klipy.com/gifs/old-people-pressing-buttons-gambling-old-people

[pearl topaz]

:33

[young sedge]

Wasn't 1 stars skins supposed to be free? Or i'm missing something

[errant canopy]

It gives you dopamine injection duh

[silver arrow]

account bricked forever

[pearl topaz]

like 24...

[tranquil swallow]

i mean I was aiming to get at least a copy of each character from now on since my account is kinda maturing anyway

[main palm]

they are free, after you spend money on something else...

[lament ledge]

другие слова, синонимы типа, не знаем?

[main palm]

thanks for pin lyra 🤗

[wraith prism]

(money)

[balmy lagoon]

Me and who

[proven eagle]

Читать не умеешь, пон. Тенета и тенетница — разные слова с один корнем. Нет ничего плохого в этом.

[errant canopy]

You and Thou

[balmy lagoon]

[errant canopy]

[woven abyss]

Ok but can I be real for a moment.

Everyone here bitches too much. Like GENUINELY too much.

Dev does one thing, everyone loses their shit before we know what it even is.
And sadly it did work out, you got 10k silver.

But what will happen when next patch rolls around and gives AA for the standard awakeners and far later the limited ones? Will people bitch again?

I think people are only looking at anything that's not the raw game there is and it's story/game modes.

[main palm]

i think this guy is (mentally ill) money actually

[opal junco]

What does BIAV need money for if they keep on adding more predatory things

[vague sequoia]

tbh yea i always do at least a 5 pull on new characters

[wraith prism]

(money)

[vague sequoia]

cuz i wanna build collecon anwyays

[wraith prism]

ok i'm done with this

let me search for a better gif

[errant canopy]

Capitalism

Duh

[humble dirge]

People have right to complain. They introduce new mechanic (+12) rewarding paying players hightly, they introduce new currency - so far only in events, but who knows if in the future the places where luminious cores should be will be exchanged with this.

[main palm]

no you can't be real, complain about something

[opal junco]

yea but for what? to expand? I mean idk they have added alot of stuff to increase spending (for example the new wheels) but those time limited shit just makes me not to spend anymore

[wraith prism]

ok being for real, money would help with more manpower

if that's where investment would go in

[humble dirge]

For me, someone who plays over a year and have most units I want OE/higher, this feels... wasteful? During another two-week version with reruns, what should I spend it on? I don't want to "build pity".

[wraith prism]

because we get an update per sometimes

[main palm]

they just delayed this release for like a month and you don't think they need more money lol

obviously crunching every update

[north scarab]

Didn't what people feared actually happened!!!???

[tranquil swallow]

I mean, I don't mind the change, people were hoarding and thus their model was failling

But this is an obvious nerf for F2P, people can complain and it'll be valid, so they did, because they did not announce anything new they just wanted it to be swept under the radar

[main palm]

more staff would help

[tranquil swallow]

🥴

[humble dirge]

It feels like a change to the worse. 800 silver over 700 is not that much of a change, this is clearly anti-hoarding mechanic and I understand why they do it, but at the same time, it does look bad, especially since they introduced it in such way.

[main palm]

it is easy af to at least E3 every unit you want if not OE, especially with free monthly dupes. But losing income always hurts

[wraith prism]

depends on how long they last

they say version period

[nimble coyote]

Did they reduce the amount of pulls we get?

[balmy lagoon]

Complaining about people complaining

[last pawn]

I can already see these new pulls being thrown where luminos should be, e.g. anniversaries, 100 ethernal and 100 luminos after you pay, so they force you to pulls even if you don't want to, or you'll end up with pure pulls

[tranquil swallow]

i mean, debatable on 🍀 and how # units you really want on your account, your desire is your wallet in gacha games anyway

[main palm]

hopefully it's 2.5 to 2.6 kinda thing and not 2.5 to 2.5.1 lol

[wraith prism]

if its like majot patches

those pulls are staying for a good while

[north scarab]

Just imo ,greater playerbase ,more whalez more income, i always belive that ,

ignoring or hurting f2p is not good for income too in larger view

[main palm]

with monthly dupes too? E3 is so easy, OE isn't every unit you pull but really isnt that hard if you budget well

[humble dirge]

From the perspective of the player it looks like this: they put up very little content (I get it, small studio, but still), yet they want more and more oney

We had two delays this year already, so of course people hoarded pulls, with only reruns going on

[north scarab]

Its the limiting what player want to pull bad here not about copies or something

[main palm]

no, part of them just expire into pure cores after some period, we actualy get a slight amount more

[tranquil swallow]

I mean this is assuming your account is already built up too, I can't deny you can do what you want in this game regarding one unit or 2 with the resources it gives, I'm just saying they are trying to limit players to hoarding from now on (I mean literally +12ing a limited + half of that)

the new fomo is spend before they go into pure cores

[main palm]

rn it's 10 pulls a month, that you can still spend on limited banners. it's worse but a fair nerf

[nimble coyote]

Thanks for clarifying! As a f2p, that sounds like a pretty awful change

[last pawn]

For now it's only 10 pulls, imagine those events that gave a lot of pulls, like anniversary, now half of the pulls become useless

[main palm]

i mean i would reverse the change rn if i could lol, but it's not like it's totally unfair. Silver was always the majority of pulls you get anyway

[north scarab]

Not can pull that lim unit but should pull that lim units ,even though we dont like that unit ,FORCING to pull is not good

[wraith prism]

one last thing i actually want to know about since this is important.
When its about version, does it mean something like 2.5.1 -> 2.5.2 or 2.5 -> 2.6?

[humble dirge]

Exactly this. It's a FOMO mechanic that stems from greed and nothing else. It doesn't give player anything of value. The 'there is more rewards if you use it' is a hollow excuse

[paper umbra]

I get that silver is still useful for a lot of wheels or character dupes but losing 10 luminous you could save for a character you like is a somewhat notable change

[slim kayak]

id rather have the pulls to save for a character i want and not feel like i have to use it on a character i dont want so it doesnt expire....

[main palm]

it depends how long they last, if it's for major patches (hopefully) you see at least 3 units before they expire. do most people not try to get at least 1 copy of each unit anyway?

[clear spade]

我是猫孝子

❤️

[north scarab]

Yes its the part we should focus ,not 10k compensation, if free will is taken out of players they WILL QUIT

[last pawn]

literally, you won't even be able to skip the banner if you have everything from the reruns, for example, it doesn't look THAT bad for now, but I can already see how it will be used to abuse in the future

[nimble coyote]

I've started playing a couple of months ago, but every change they made since so far has felt anti-playerbase to me, from removing auto-play from certain levels to now this

[north scarab]

In what gacha f2p goes for every unit ,that too in dupe reliant morimen

[nimble coyote]

No, as a f2p I don't and won't

[main palm]

they definitely pushin monetization very hard very fast, i don't like it either

[safe palm]

No I don't

[fast dew]

It is an objectively worse result for people that want to horde, but if it is only 10 per month, most people would probably spend them for the new unit\wheel or one of the 3 rerun units\wheels, is annoying, but is not the worst

[humble dirge]

Not quitting yet, but this is my last straw when it comes to spending. I don't see this game going in the right direction and I'm comfortable on my account, so I was mostly paying to support the game. This stops now, this is the only way I can protest yet another change that clearly stems from 'we want money' without devs actually adding content.

[opal junco]

its a mechanic which basically make you lose your guaranteed sooner or later. Or you are the rare kind of player to remember how long till guaranteed each banner

[safe palm]

I'm just worried that this will spread outside of just events

We'll see more luminous be changed to ethereal

[last pawn]

RIGHT?! I also got baited by autobattle and being so kind to F2P players, and what's happening? I haven't even been playing for half a year, and yet more and more changes are being dropped like bombs that are anti-player

[charred magnet]

看你挺有诚意的，这样吧，新版本提前两天，今天更新我就原谅你了

[main palm]

we don't know yet specifically how long it is yet, but i interpreted what light said like this.

[humble dirge]

Sorry for dragging you here, lol, this is awkward

[north scarab]

Imagine this ,you are at pity to guarantee, and saving for next unit, what will you do ? Let them be wastes as pure cores or let the pity be waste?

[nimble coyote]

Maybe I'm just being pessimistic, but once a company starts punishing the playerbase for no reason, it usually doesn't end well (and as I previously mentioned, they also removed auto last patch for no good reason imo)

[humble dirge]

Yes, the auto change is so stupid. I understand removing auto from character trials, but from other modes? Why? It plays badly, if people want to use it, let them. What is this series of anti-player decisions?

[woven abyss]

I am the only guy who didn't like autobattle

[last pawn]

Do you understand that this is only for now? Imagine those anniversary rewards, like 200 pulls! Wait... they're useless after a month. Spend them quickly!

[main palm]

you either have enough to spend and to reach next pity, or the slight buff to how much you get each patch now covers the losses

[woven abyss]

It shouldn't been added in the first place

[silver arrow]

wheel banner, frankly for non whales there's always a need for more wheels pulls, losing choice sucks but the reaction is exaggerated

[fast dew]

if you are on pity guranteed, it means you spend pulls to get there, and those are used first, so you are cheeping a single guranteed for a month, is possible, but is just 10 pulls

is not good, but is not that bad

[neat kindle]

the one time that we have all the banners?

[fast dew]

it depends how much they use them in the future

[woven abyss]

Pure cores are equally good

[tranquil swallow]

they probably have the stats anyway

high % of people who hoard barely spend or don't spend at all (we have to assume this is the reason)

[main palm]

luminous cores still exist, they are still the reward for daily login. anni rewards will likey (if they aren't be very mad then) luminous cores still

[humble dirge]

? You don't need to enjoy it. Just don't use it. It's like people who are complaining about skip button in the story in other gachas, no one forces you to use it.

[woven abyss]

I am that %

[nimble coyote]

Auto battle AI sucks, but it's a feature the game has, why are you removing features from the game and making it worse? If anything they should try to make it better, not remove it

[last pawn]

What if I have all the units I want and don't need to pull? 🤡 🤡 🤡

[neat kindle]

rare bagels W

[nimble coyote]

The 10 pulls aren't the issue, the direction they're pushing the game to is

[tranquil swallow]

I don't use auto battle to "battle" either, I use it to farm dailies mindlessly or doing events I already power through anyway

[pallid matrix]

乾脆加個4天持續半個版本吧

[humble dirge]

This. I am shocked that people fail to see that this is another bad decision.

[fast dew]

we will see, there is to say that during the anni you have the possibility to pull for literally all units, so is probable that you will use them

[glossy otter]

I understand this is a gacha and business is business, but...
I really don't see what the hope behind this change is. This punishes f2ps the most, and this gacha honestly is kinda hard to recommend to a lot of f2p friends right now. I love this game, the style, the gameplay. I advocated to join the translation team if needed ages ago. I can't recommend it to any of my friends though, and this is part of why. The heavy dupe reliance, reducing auto play options, adding +12 bonuses (potentially to limiteds) when they could be more accessible buffs, and now this? It hurts, and is really confusing.

I don't mean this to be mean, but I don't feel like B.I.A.V. can afford to make anti-player decisions like this, not quietly like this. We need communication, ideally before these changes are made. And frankly, these kinds of monetization practices hurt the people that have faith in this game's vision and would otherwise spread the word.

[nimble coyote]

Still forces players to spend. If I am taking a break and want to get the rewards and save the pulls for a couple of months later when I come back, rip

[last pawn]

There are units I don't want, and I already have the rest I wanted, now I'm forced to spend pulls, I'm surprised that some people here don't see any problem, or a very small one, even though it's against every player

[tranquil swallow]

As it stands, company makes it worse for the playerbase, they apologize, give silver, community rallies behind saying "It aint that bad"

Its still a negative 🥴

[humble dirge]

Lol, exactly. Or maybe a new shiny unit you want will be in the new version and your'e saving for the stupid +12 axiom

This game is already so dupe-heavy

The 'generous' part of it was used as an excuse for it. Now it's used for fomo

[main palm]

it really ain't that bad tho...
pick any three month period and tell me there isn't a unit you would pull.

[sullen wren]

2.5->2.6

[hazy flax]

а ну давай тогда заменю тенету на Интернет
перевод ж с web идет

логичнее звучит согласны

[tranquil swallow]

clearly you don't hoard

[wraith prism]

OH THANK GOD

[main palm]

mfw i have 650 pulls lmao

[tranquil swallow]

do you put $?

[last pawn]

I came to this game attracted by how good it is for F2P. I left a lot of money because I really like it when companies are good to players. And what? Two months have passed, +12 , another one has passed, we're taking away autobattle, another one we're taking away your pulls... how am I supposed to recommend this to anyone????

[nimble coyote]

There have been plenty of people joining the game in the last couple of weeks who said they wanted to save everything for the colab

[main palm]

i got 2 pre-orders

[tranquil swallow]

then why can't the f2p who hoard have a valid grievance

[main palm]

so let's say im at 400 as f2p

[tranquil swallow]

its a net negative for them the most

[main palm]

650 - 240 =/= 0 lol

[nimble coyote]

No one said f2p would hoard 0 pulls though

[main palm]

he's saying cause i bought two pre-orders me saving isn't a valid point

[tranquil swallow]

very bad faith reply but i'll let it simmer

[humble dirge]

Lol, literally, bad decision after bad decision and yet some players will sit and defend it no matter what.

It's a change for the worst, no matter how you look at it. It's terrible for f2p, but it's not good for spenders who have more units either. It's just a fomo mechanic.

[molten ridge]

I don't like this decision

[north scarab]

I get that part ,every gacha players do that ,but its very imp for small games like morimens

Its may look fine now as 10 pulls ,but if they increase on them then what!? Can anyone guarantee they wont do that

[molten ridge]

day 1 player who's stuck through thick and thin, this isn't the type of decision that makes me want to stick around

[torn epoch]

Exactly

[proven eagle]

Can we just lock this forum? The amount of ppl complaining over for nothing and making absurd claims is devastating.

[main palm]

i think collectively the idea's they've been pushing into the game are bad, individually this isn't a disgusting change

[tranquil swallow]

I think everyone is being very educated about it so the clowns are kinda warranted

[proven eagle]

Nu-uh. They are the real clowns here.

[glossy otter]

Well it's also like...
This is a small game from a small studio, it's nearly EOSed once already, why make choices like this after an otherwise sobering moment like that-?
I want to see this game do well, and the people behind it also. I want to be able to show cool clips to friends, to see this game really flourish in it's own little community, like a smaller Limbus Company in a way. Just... something everyone involved can be happy with, but anti-player changes move further and further away from that ideal.

[nimble coyote]

I don't know how long you've been playing but you've been on the server about almost an year, so I assume it's around that much.

You likely have most chars, and a lot of dupes, so it might not affect you as much.

Now imagine me who's still struggling to build 5 meta teams and is saving for specific characters to fill those teams. I don't have any characters I want from a specific month, but I don't want to waste pulls. I get a new character on those pulls. Now I either keep pulling or spend protos on that character because most chars need dupes, or I wasted the 10 pulls anyway and all the pity I had before.

Now imagine that they decide to make it 20, or 30, or 50 (because that's the direction we're going. Once they open the gates, the way is forward, not backwards).

Can you see the issue?

[last pawn]

oh yeah, we're complaining about nothing, they didn't just change the game for f2p and light spenders in a terrible way 🙂

[molten ridge]

individually this is still quite bad, but combine that with how the BP is needed for basic QOL like rewind and unit design since Arc 2, and it's even worse.

[glossy otter]

And silencing feedback won't make this 10 times worse..?

[bitter hazel]

I'm not happy with this, if there's a rerun patch with no new character, it means that I'm either obliged to spend my pulls for a character I don't want, or letting them become Pure Core after the patch. This sound just stupid lol

[proven eagle]

They make it much better. You just wanna complain instead of thinking

[hot drum]

I honestly lost all of my trust for biav

[proven eagle]

This is not feedback. That's just big collection of trolls.

[pearl topaz]

the patch will run for 3ish months

[torn epoch]

Fomo pulls is making the game better?

[last pawn]

That's right, fomo is great, sorry I just forgot about it ❤️

[distant bluff]

how come it’s that bad as you describe it? this isn’t some hoyo gacha where you have to skip someone in case to get the unit you want, I mean in Morimens as a f2p you could easily E3 everyone with some time

[versed hearth]

yall have MONTHS to spend them

[main palm]

that's kinda like the easiest time for them, they are pulling on every banner...
Light confirmed it's the 3 month period between major patches.

I can see the issue if you extend this problem beyond what it currently is, which I hope they won't.

[bitter hazel]

Yeah but if it becomes a trend and we keep this kind of pull for next patches ? :(

[proven eagle]

They are not fomo LMAO. Nobody will grab them from you.

[glossy otter]

If you really believe that, then what's the positives of this new system?

[pearl topaz]

you WILL pull for something in the span of 3 months

[north scarab]

I dont want to spend on the unit I DONT WANT ,agian if its 10 pulls like now it may be okay but what if they increase

[humble dirge]

Is it a pro-player change? No. Those it give anything good for a player? No. Is it another set of changes for the worst in the recent times? Yes. What are you discussing about exactly? This is a bad decision.

[pearl topaz]

99% of people do

[torn epoch]

I had 5 pulls to use as I please
Tomorrow I'll have 5 pulls to use on the patch banner, or they become standard pull.
It's a loss loss. Definition of fomo. They ARE taking my pulls.

[main palm]

not these people

[tranquil swallow]

we have a real ragebaiter saying the change is for the better, it doesn't really help

[molten ridge]

I mean this literally screws over people like Crowlov and I

[versed hearth]

how often do you skip 4-5 characters in a row?

[last pawn]

they will definitely increase, only very naive people think that it won't

[molten ridge]

For no real reason

[main palm]

who is saying it's actually better? it's just not woth doomposting over

[tranquil swallow]

theres a reason, hoarders are not likely to spend

[proven eagle]

You have months to use them. And if you don't, you'll just receive Pure Core. And you can just pull standard banner. Which are not bad too pull with Pure Cores.

[last pawn]

this

[fast dew]

In general they made some poor choices, but for the last units they aren't bad, Gmur\mou\vortice\Xu are all decent unit's even before E3.
Plus we have to see how much the pull stay, if it is 3 month like said, it's already a bit less bad.

[molten ridge]

I do spend, I spend as a tipping system to BiAV

[tranquil swallow]

@main palm

[tranquil swallow]

this

[north scarab]

For saving and pulling for dupes which this game is very much dupe reliant ,

And why am i forced to pull agian

[proven eagle]

You don't need to use them tomorrow. You have MONTHS to do this.

[distant bluff]

will we be getting more silver? yes
have you ever skipped someone to get the upcoming character? I doubt it really
you would spend your pulls regardless when the new char releases

[molten ridge]

When they do something that makes me happy, I buy a monthly or pre-order a character I want. I bought Dore's pre-order

[humble dirge]

More silver? 800 inestead of 700? That's half a wish.

[molten ridge]

and I'm fairly sure I bought the Arc 2 pre-order

[glossy otter]

You're telling me why it's not so bad. So what's actually good, then? 100 more silver (half a pull), but your pulls degrade if you don't use them? How is that worth it?

[molten ridge]

but this is still scummy

[torn epoch]

The pulls are still limited in time, when they were not before.
It's a pointless change made to make the game worse.
I truly don't get how you can't comprehend that.

[versed hearth]

go play a much more f2p friendly game like genshin then

they dont have time limited pulls

[main palm]

ok well I disagree with that lol, it's like 10% better in the 3 month period than 50% worse after that lol

[pearl topaz]

i respect biav for actually wanting to make money instead of sitting on another EOS announcement

personally

[bitter hazel]

Wait they don't stay for a single patch or is this one staying 3 months ? I agree that I will pull for something (I want Arachne) but after that, outside of new characters, I'm not really interested in pulling characters because I mostly have what I wanted :C
Also sorry if I'm confused about timestamp etc 😭

[proven eagle]

Lmao. You're like guys who don't see price increase as something bad, cuz you simply can't count.

[molten ridge]

bad faith

[pearl topaz]

they stay for a version cycle aka 3-4 months

[distant bluff]

so you basically never skipped someone and just pulled no matter what so what’s the reason now?

[proven eagle]

Sure dude, I got it. You're just yet another troll.

[main palm]

Between every story update, that's so long

[fast dew]

I think we really need to see the full picture whit all the other mechanical changes that they said before making the final evaluation

[proven eagle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640165699641409546/1421077965030035567/image1-ezgif.com-resize.gif

[open wyvern]

chat its about as obvious as a troll gets

[fast dew]

they shit the bed by not explaining stuff immediately, but at thins point is better to see the other stuff before deciding

[open wyvern]

js block and move on

[humble dirge]

Yeah, ignore and move on

[proven eagle]

The amount of ppl here, who can't do simple thing is crazy. Guess your mommy just do everything for you.

[last pawn]

yeah just ignore it

[pearl topaz]

we are also getting 10k silver which will make up for a bunch of lost pulls

throughout the next events

but as i said

its a long ass cycle

[main palm]

uh actually it's just cause they didn't communicate what was happening for a couple hours

[humble dirge]

It's a one time thing as an apology. Which is nice, don't get me wrong, but also fully deserved after this whole ordeal

[tranquil swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274663108933193771/1463912252590657787/attachment.gif

[pearl topaz]

its genuinely not that bad imo

not pulling for 3+ months is bricked anyways

[humble dirge]

Sure. +12 is not bad, this is not bad, taking auto from players is not bad, nothing but a series of great decisions.

[pearl topaz]

not applicable for 99% of players

taking auto is a positive change for me

and i complained about +12

[humble dirge]

Yeah? You were forced to use it?

[versed hearth]

if you need +12 to clear that’s on you

[proven eagle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/435687797626634241/1098602087316738149/Kiaaaaa.gif

[glossy otter]

It's maybe not that bad, but it leaves a bad taste in the mouth and the optics aren't great. Something can be bearable but still be a negative. Giving more players incentive to distance themselves from the game is not positive.

[distant bluff]

name me 1 unit who requires +12 to be usable please

[pearl topaz]

no but i think using auto is bad for the game

[wraith prism]

ok so the pulls last for about 3 months or 3 small character patches

[pearl topaz]

i get that for sure

[woven abyss]

Maybe just play with the free units?

You don't need meta teams for Dzone unless you are fighting for some reason A4-5

[wraith prism]

if only (and i mean ONLY) the event rewards become those kind of limited pulls

it will not be the end of the world

[main palm]

it's more than when +12 buff exists they are forced to balance around that state if even just a little bit. just invites faster powercreep in the long run. how much faster is debatable

also changes to the kit you think might be fun are locked to that state

[tranquil swallow]

if we have 3 months to do the pulls, and its "rather long" why even add new gacha currency, new gacha currency is always a negative on any gacha

[main palm]

but that's a skill issue

[wraith prism]

ok to be fair up to this point no new character was made with AA in mind

[last pawn]

That's right, I'm not doing D-Tide at all now because I don't have time, and soon I'll probably stop playing it altogether because I don't have the materials for the character, which will result in losing another person who pays the money they need so badly, as you can see, by making anti-hoarding changes.

[nimble coyote]

After Kath is gone we have 3 pretty bad reruns. If arachne isn't that strong, I wouldn't pull on anyone as a new player.

Being 3 months help, but as I mentioned previously, it's still not good if I want to take a break and save for when I come back.

I would also hope they won't, but seeing them doing bad moves over and over, I wouldn't keep my hopes up.

[sullen wren]

Thank you for your attention and feedback — it genuinely means a lot.

You’re right that this change should have come with a proper devlog. I’m sorry it didn’t. Going forward, we’ll do our best to communicate major changes like this before they go live, not after — that’s a fair ask, and we hear you.

I also want to apologize for the silence — after 2.4, the team went through significant challenges and internal changes. That said, we’re more hopeful now than we’ve been in a long time: a writer who contributed many of the major story arcs in our 1.0 era is about to rejoin the team.

I won’t pretend the recent changes don’t add pressure. But we genuinely believe they’re necessary for the game’s long-term health. Let me address your concerns one by one:

On dupe reliance: You’re right, this is a real problem. Some of it stems from decisions made at launch that we can’t fully undo. What we have done over the past two years is lower the hard pity count and increase rewards several times over compared to launch — trying to ease the burden as much as we can.

On auto-battle: When we launched the JP version, we spent a lot of time debating where auto should and shouldn’t apply. Originally, we weren’t going to include it at all — that actually matched what the community was asking for back then, with concerns that the game would lose its depth and “thinking” element if auto became universal. Unfortunately, due to some bugs, auto-battle ended up with even wider coverage on the international server than on JP. Our intent is for auto to work on all repetitive, lower-challenge content, but to not offer it for the bi-weekly highest-challenge content.

On +12 bonuses: We’ve discussed this extensively and have communicated about it before. Our core principle is that the game will never require +12 to play — these are bonus rewards for +12, and existing content won’t have its difficulty raised because of them.

On the new reward policy: The goal of this change is to make in-game resource circulation more dynamic, while raising the overall reward level for any given version. After careful evaluation, we found this new approach delivers a better experience in terms of fun and timely feedback. We fully understand that this does shift habits for players who prefer to stockpile resources long-term, and we don’t take that lightly.

And thank you for your willingness to help with translation back then — that kind of support from players like you is exactly why we want to do better.

[distant bluff]

aside from levels that lead to scaling would you +12 Thais? hell nah she is good at E2 already
does Clem require +12? nah perfect at E3
GDoll? nope
what about assault units? if it isn’t Doresain you’re good at OE at max

0 reasons to freak out about the axiom thing

[main palm]

as a new player you wouldn't pull anyone for 3 months? that's actually insane to me lmao. you dont even know the meta this might be slightly disingenuous and not really engage with ur point but i think it's kinda fair

[wraith prism]

i'm not screenshotting that

i'll just come back in

[nimble coyote]

Gonna be fun when you get the limited pulls in the last week of a patch and have to spend right then and there or lose them

[wraith prism]

a few hours

[tough meadow]

I dont really understand how this punishes f2p players since these pulls last for an entire version

[wraith prism]

and see what happened

in the meantime

kill idot

[pearl topaz]

why would i get them in the last week of the patch

[open wyvern]

agreed

[versed hearth]

people just need their daily dose of complaining

[humble dirge]

Then allow it for lower levels of bi-weekly.

[main palm]

last week of patch means all you got was 10-12 pulls lol

[pearl topaz]

playing auto takes longer than manual play

whats the benefit

[humble dirge]

That you can do other stuff in the background when you don't have time

[nimble coyote]

Dude, playing with free units doesn't make me not lose the pulls 😅

[sharp ferry]

Raising overall rewards as in less cogs and 100 more silver?💀

[pearl topaz]

the game needs your input anyways

[molten ridge]

It's about the ability to leave and come back, or alt tab and do something else. I don't auto Morimens, but I auto other games.

[pearl topaz]

but morimens needs player input for 4/5 dtide stages

[last pawn]

sometimes I want to go in and do it quickly on any level, turn on autobattle on easy and medium difficulty levels, and leave it on the hardest without autobattle then

[molten ridge]

The game only needs your input after the fight ends or if you died.

[pearl topaz]

auto takes player input from 10 mins to 5 mins

while undermining the identity of the game

not worth imo

[molten ridge]

You can alt tab, traverse the map when the fight is done

or get up and do something, like cook, talk to someone, and then come back

[main palm]

weekly dtide is genuniely a really long time to actively play if ur busy. i don't personally use it but it makes getting some rewards from A1-3 easier for some players

[zenith island]

I feel like if someone is already doing low loevel D-tide

[tranquil swallow]

this is just a "I don't do it, so why should you care" from ellie

[molten ridge]

It doesn't undermine the game, they're not balancing around it. They never balanced around it to begin with.

[zenith island]

they can Auto it

no harm

[pearl topaz]

low level ragebait lowkey

expected better

[tranquil swallow]

its a real thing, you don't care about auto because you wouldn't use it

[pearl topaz]

i care about auto bcs for me it undermines the key identity of mori

[molten ridge]

explain how

[main palm]

not like auto is setting records with 425 clears, just more accessibilty for players

[distant bluff]

the only time I used auto was on the raid event when I got extremely tired

[nimble coyote]

Where the f*did you see me say not pull for 3 months? I was talking about this specific time frame, you're gaslighting me at this point, and that's not ok

[distant bluff]

who even uses it lol

[pearl topaz]

mori (for me) as a cardgame/deckbuilder has a key decision making about how to utilise your deck to clear a stage with its difficulties in mind if something auto clears it for you theres nothing of that involved

[molten ridge]

How does something that's not balanced around
something that isn't optimal
something that isn't even faster
something that isn't necessary to use
something that isn't a focus of the game
how does it undermine Morimens?
Let people who want to use it do so.

Anyways, what am I hearing about a new unit having AA

[north scarab]

Isnt auto trash ,so players use it when they absolutely need it ,not when they are learning new content

[nimble coyote]

You know, we have events the version, not just week 1 of the 3 months?

[pearl topaz]

yes but i clear events in the first week they are live

[main palm]

mfw i literally edit the message to say it was disengenous and you still rage over it lol. 3 months is the period of time you have before the pulls expire, also you said 3 months in that message but ig i misinterpreted what you were saying?

[sullen wren]

Thanks for weighing in. To be honest, we recognize that the increase this time may not feel like enough on its own. We’ll keep looking at whether there’s room to raise it further down the line, and we appreciate everyone — both those who shared concerns and those who shared their perspective — for keeping this conversation going.

[last pawn]

I can get up, go get dressed, go back to the finished battle, start another one, brush my teeth, and so on. See what I mean?
Alternatively, I won't do it at all, and people will end up leaving the game and stopping spending money.

[tranquil swallow]

they know it does, but theres a reason they considered and added it, because it makes the game less niche, and brings more players, it doesn't kill off the game identity when you're not forced to do it nor the game is optimized to do it.

But skimming over dailies is essential for new player retention

[nimble coyote]

Tulu event lasts 2 weeks, if a similar event if on the end of a version, clearing it week 1 is still within last 2 weeks of the version

[pearl topaz]

i understand this point but to me if you cant do content on your own, you shouldnt get the rewards from it unless the game is set up to be an auto battler

[zenith island]

I like to think of it this way. I don't use Auto, this change doesn't impact me at all. So why should i even discuss it, when i'm not in the audience for it

[carmine island]

I see no point. I don’t know many games, the only game with time-limited limit pulls I know is Reverse: 1999. And how they distribute time-limited limit pulls is just give it as extra for free so players receive it and then soon use it as celebrating the birth of the new character.

If dev is going to increase the amount of pulls we get to, like from 5 limit to 6 time-limited limit, why just go “5 limit + 1 time-limited limit”?

But still, happy to know that a writer is returning.

[inner remnant]

"a writer who contributed many of the major story arcs in our 1.0 era is about to rejoin the team"

This is the best news you've released since Arc 2 started. Arc 2 storywriting has been so lackluster that the only stories that have been passable were the ones that Arc 1 team had already worked on. Hopefully, with the investment you've secured and the continuous monetization changes you've made, you can give the writing team more time now to ensure quality!

[zenith island]

it's kinda pointless when the change harms no one, just makes a part of the playerbase not want to interact with the game

[glossy otter]

Thank you, and I do hope that can be the case. It's been tough for the studio since the start and I can definitely understand that, and I do hope having a previous writer rejoin can help there.

I also know changing monetization to fill a studio's needs is important at well. I realize what I'm about to ask may not be feasible, but would it be worth running votes on changes again? Maybe even and in-game survey through the mail? Just saying... "hey, this is where we're at, and unfortunately changes need to be made. Of these options, what sounds the most accommodating? If none of these, can you leave your own suggestions?"
It's a big ask, again. Maybe a smaller version of that, but I feel it could lessen the anxiety from moments like this.

As for the other changes:

The auto-battle one was made while I was away due to family related reasons, so that's on me for being hasty with my judgment to a point. I'm a big Limbus player and I do agree win rate/auto play like that can take away from learning the game, I always suggest people to not use them if possible, but it is still a QoL feature being taken away.

The dupes and such: That makes a lot of sense, and honestly I wish I had suggestions or something, but I know it isn't my place and these are decisions that were made very early on. The +12 AA bonuses are more "I really hope these don't become a problem" more than "they are a problem right now". My partner bounced off the game with one of her stated reason being she didn't like the OE mechanic (feeling like she had to pull 8 total copies), so I worry if other new players will be intimidated by seeing AA as a feature.

I also want to add a quick aside here as a thank you, for your reply. I know you're probably a bit swamped at the moment, and you get plenty of messages and replies from the community. It may be worth making a larger statement when the dust settles, but I'm thankful for what you do for the community Light. I hope for the best for both the team and the game itself.

[main palm]

they definitely should've considered pull econemy more carefully at creation than retroactively adding an effect like this 🙂

[last pawn]

But you know that your game can be EOS again by becoming so niche that people will stop looking at it? because they can't do a certain thing on autobattle during a hard week after work?

[pearl topaz]

yeah

[distant bluff]

but the amount of time spent on dailies or even weeklies is much less than in other games

[tranquil swallow]

not enough reason

[nimble coyote]

The dupe issue is pretty easy to fix. Put enlighten buffs on the base characters kits and make new enlighten that are less powerful than current ones. If they actively balance the game, and add systems to old chars like the +12, this should be possible too

[north scarab]

I mean its your belief right ,you personally wouldn't use it but have no problem if someone uses auto right!? So having an option is better for everyone

[main palm]

if someone can complete Arc 2 hard mode and wants to auto dtide why not let them. the player who autos everything sucks and will just quit lol

[distant bluff]

I mean to get the 3/3 on weeklies just P-Dive on lowest difficulty and you’re good

[wooden pelican]

This change is really weird, its a nothing change, 3 months to use pulls only harm people who waits to max a character that doesnt rerun for a long time, otherwise it will not affect much of anything, the problem is that on the other hand its more currency that new players will be confused about and the first impression it gives is that its a fomo mechanic even if in practice it doesnt change much. It also gives the impression that if they give free pulls close to the end of a patch you will need to use it fast since its from version to version

[pearl topaz]

i believe having the option to auto is bad for the game identity and would be happier if it got removed all together

[pearl topaz]

idc about the players skill level

[last pawn]

At this point, the guy said he would rather the game be EOS than lose its identity, so I think nothing will convince him

[pearl topaz]

its just a difference of perspective when it comes to gaming

[versed hearth]

why are people talking like they’ll be getting 0 silver from now on
it’s not like this change makes it impossible to save

[carmine island]

I. Would. Not. I play with standard awakeners ONLY until Arc.2 4-5 or so.

[distant bluff]

lots of CC talk about Morimens as one of the hardest gachas so this is a selling point
many people would come for challenges

[candid dove]

Will need to see the full set of pull mechanic changes before making a final call, but I think the new cores degrading can be tuned a bit

[tranquil swallow]

the game identify is already being a gacha, its saved by its good parts for us, not because its a gacha, you can argue we stay because its a daily mind control and fomo, MOST and i mean MOST people prefer to have dailies done as quick as possible

come on, theres a literal reason they have "Daily skip tickets"

[north scarab]

Its simple if its not huring you ,like forcing you to play on auto ,then leave it ,let others wish what they want, and its not single player game

Isnt it reasonable?

[nimble coyote]

Change the playing 50 cards mission to loggin in, and 99% of the players complaining about auto will be happy.

The thing is that they make a quest that's just annoying to complete, so players have to figure out an easy way to do it, and then they remove the easy way without fixing the annoying quest behind it.

Yes, playing 50 cards isn't a lot, but if I'm working or traveling or something and just want to log in, get the rewards and leave asap, the current daily is a hurdle

[glossy otter]

I do agree, for sure, but I feel like it could run deeper than that. Regardless, I do think other people (like you) are better equipped than I am right now to give feedback on it.

I'm mostly worried about the optics of the game's systems at the moment, since it's hard to get new players into the game I feel like.

[sullen wren]

Thank you — really. The community is bigger now than it’s ever been, and it’s been steadily growing in a healthier direction. You’re right that we should slow down and communicate more openly before major system changes, not after. Whatever form that takes — in-game polls, mail surveys, community votes — I’ll genuinely think about your suggestion and see what we can do.

I want to be upfront about V2.5: some of the adjustments we’re making are going to feel like invasive surgery. They’re necessary, but I won’t pretend they’ll be painless. For V2.5.1, we’ll be listening closely and making further fixes and quality-of-life improvements based on what we hear from everyone.

On OE and the AA bonuses specifically — I hear your concern, especially the example about your partner. The worry that new players will look at OE/AA and feel “I have to pull 8 copies” is exactly the kind of perception we don’t want to set in. I can’t promise a fix overnight, but it’s something we’ll keep watching carefully, and your feedback here genuinely helps frame how we think about it.

And thank you for the kind words at the end — they mean more than you might think. We’ll keep doing our best for the game, and for the people who care about it like you do.

[pearl topaz]

it is reasonable, but it doesnt line up with my opinion i understand your points i just disagree with them

[main palm]

auto an event stage...
i think players should have the option to auto dtide but this is a non-issue

[tranquil swallow]

light is saying its gonna be even worse than we expect, he mentioned some of the adjustments are going to feel like invasive surgery, Plural

[nimble coyote]

Half the events don't put directly against a boss though. Right now Tulu does, but wandas didn't

[woven abyss]

My account is built on nothing but sticks and stones I have ONLY 20 or so premium pulls done on my account. AND I HAVE BEATEN HARD MODE JUST CAUSE DEVS DECIDED TO RELEASE MOUCHETTE FOR FREE.

It pains me that people even thought they are getting SO MUCH they still bitch.

Like how fragile do you have to be to see "we are making pulls time limited" if that alone is able to make you abandon the game then you didn't like the game in the first place.

[pearl topaz]

the daily is for player retention its part of the genre of the game and its the least complicated daily of all time

[pearl topaz]

gacha is the genre not the game identity

[glossy otter]

All we can do is wait and see at current, feedback can't change things over night. We'll have to see what the patch notes say, but I'm hesitant to get too doom and gloom over it just yet.

[tranquil swallow]

genre is part of the game's identity

sorry if we disagree

just as auto is

[nimble coyote]

When half the other games clear dailies on reenacts, saying this is the least complicated is very disengenuous

[errant canopy]

Isn't gacha like a monetization practice? Not a genre?

[main palm]

we are getting slightly more pulls and 15% of our monthly income has to be spent within 3 months*

[pearl topaz]

playing 50 cards in this game is shorter than some other games auto clears

[pearl topaz]

sorta both but good point

[nimble coyote]

Except on those auto clears I can spend 0 seconds looking at the screen, if I have to manually play 50 cards here, it's gonna make more than 0 seconds

[north scarab]

I mean atp if you dont stop ,its basically you saying ,"you have to play the game how i play the game" it feels like it

[pearl topaz]

i mean reality is auto will stay in the game you can still do auto on other stuff

[main palm]

good plan, then everyone can agree 🙂

[candid dove]

Main thought atm based on what's known so far is that a one-to-one conversion from a ethereal pull to a standard pull each major patch is not quite right tuning-wise. One-to-two might make more sense. That way, the ones earlier in the major patch window (2.5, say) would be saveable for a couple of months, but the ones gained right at the end of the patch convert into more standard pulls, which helps progress standard units/wheels

In case folks don't just use them immediately.

[nimble coyote]

Sure, I am responding to you saying auto shouldn't be in the game though

[molten ridge]

Has anyone explained if some banners are ONLY Ethereal pulls? Any banner that becomes only ethereal pulls is going to remind me of the Murphy skin gacha.

[candid dove]

Having these limited pulls work the way they're described means that the last character of a major patch has their window of limited pulls be locked to them and them alone, which feels wonky

[main palm]

being 1-2 would make it a lot nicer, would also be making conversion of silver to pure 100 silver instead of 200 which would make a lot of sense. I don' think there's a lot of periods where you would literally spend nothing but if there are this would lessen the blow

[nimble coyote]

No, they are just temporary limited pulls

[somber tinsel]

temporary limited pull for each major update

[molten ridge]

At least it's not Epic Seven levels

[candid dove]

A high rate of standard pulls is generally healthy for the game, given that radix is needed for a lot of useful progression stuff in the monthly shop and the need to +12 wheels and hunt for OE of standards is high

[woven abyss]

So you agree that this change is nothing to cry over

[main palm]

not yet, lyra explictly stated they function as luminous cores so that would be some kind of change down the road if at all

[pearl topaz]

imo if you cant clear the daily manually then the game isnt for you

[candid dove]

Also more standards means more chances of getting a Tulu spook or something

[pearl topaz]

tulu spook is peak

[main palm]

yea lol. i think you can complain about the direction of the game as a whole, or what this might become eventually. but rn, this individual change is nothing

[candid dove]

so IMO: ethereal pulls being a 1:2 ratio is what I'd do. Gives the player a meaningful choice about what they do with the pull - use it now, hold it for standard progress if they are not interested in the patch's characters, both are sensible choices.

[woven abyss]

At this point I want Light to nuke auto out. But I'm sure he allowed it in cause it's in JP and he wants link the games up at one point

[tranquil swallow]

bruh, whats this gatekeeping it has to be bad faith, most of the veterans are literally doing dailies on auto because they can

we have talks about people like aurora or lens just discussing what trial to auto on for dailies optimally

[median bridge]

If more standards means less limited pulls then you're on some weird cope tbh, 1:2 ratio isn't even close to hoarding limiteds and waiting for a proper Tulu banner

[candid dove]

If you have to have these time-gated pulls then you can make the system be a bit better

[main palm]

i think now is the time to just make pures 100 silver of value 😈

[candid dove]

Nah that would mess with radix-per-month numbers a lot and encourage newbies to brick their account pulling on standard too much

[main palm]

nuh uh

[pearl topaz]

hoarding actively bricks your account tho

[candid dove]

it does, yes

[main palm]

just half radix payout

[woven abyss]

It's true.

Look at my 2250 purple bricks

[main palm]

🙂

[nimble coyote]

So you want to EOS the game if it doesn't remove the auto, and you want me to leave the game because I don't want to waste time doing useless repeat content on a daily basis? Anything else?

[woven abyss]

Just open Myriam trial and play for FIVE GOD DAMN minutes it's not that deep

[pearl topaz]

lmao bad faith argument final boss

[main palm]

no? depends on how hard you're hoarding. I think encoraging a single E0 hard pity every 3 months is fine tho

[candid dove]

this for 99% of players is hella moot but there is a culture in gacha of f2p and low-spenders playing hard mode and hoarding for a year plus and going SSJ4 on one character

[median bridge]

The design is weird overall anyway if they function as limited pulls when regular silver already exists and it can only be used for cores anyway, making all limited cores decay and giving more silver would be equivalent (unless retroactive), and you don't have yet another currency

[woven abyss]

If Devs turned it off. Whatever

[nimble coyote]

Want to clarify then?

[woven abyss]

-# you didn't need to call me out

[pearl topaz]

hoarding is extreme term in contrast to saving which is more short term

[tranquil swallow]

this take coming from the pro performative bad argument holder?

you realise you spend your life complaining about AI but if this game didn't get AI Translated to the west it would have died silently.

Why are you playing a game that used AI to survive?

[slim kayak]

id be kind of disappointed if i lost like 20 lim pulls because i didnt like the last two characters of the patch or something ngl

[woven abyss]

If a game is good and fun enough where I can go by without ever pulling on premium banners then the game is good.

Fight me

[open wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/nilou-genshin-genshin-impact-nilou-eating-paimon-nilou-eat-gif-26959138

[pearl topaz]

whatever youre lowkey on the same level as blec the block was inevitable

[tranquil swallow]

You cannot even join the argument 🙂

[main palm]

i wouldn't say saving for gtulu for a year is a short term goal, but if you mean skipping literally every banner for him (past the point of +12) then yea that's bricking ur account

[candid dove]

IMO the worst thing that happens is someone hoards every one of these time-limited pulls until the day before 2.6 comes out, dumps them into the last limited banner and either gets a cheap limited or has built towards Caraboo

[errant canopy]

I want some Bagels Bagel

[candid dove]

that's not the end times

[open wyvern]

I want Idot exploded

we can’t all have what we want

[north scarab]

Having opinions and wanting others to have your opinions i quite diff ,throught the whole auto one which doesn't effect you ,you are constantly opposing someone wanting auto and saying to quit over that .

I dont know how it is fair at all

[main palm]

it's really hard to be in the situation of having a lot of pulls and being forced to pull on last banners and it's bad

[candid dove]

it'll be 30-35 pulls I think

[frank stratus]

Why are we lumping generative AI together with AI translation?

[tranquil swallow]

ellie hates all AI

its that simple

[sand briar]

both are shit
but I'm not sure what was even the point of bringing that up

[tranquil swallow]

because that person is performative, and only hates AI when she doesn't use it, she used Erica bot to make arguments for things

But hates all AI 🥴

[median bridge]

(it's the exact same thing on a technical and practical level)

[open wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/transmit-this-cat-when-they-least-expect-it-transmit-this-bunny-slow-loading-transmitting-fakeout-gif-532479633164265025

[woven abyss]

That's a rabbit

[open wyvern]

no that’s a cat

[median bridge]

Only changes if you care more about it training on visual arts or written ones ig

[open wyvern]

🐰

[main palm]

bagels the most successful rage baiter here

[open wyvern]

I need my

medals and trophies

[abstract dragon]

Toast the bagels!

[errant canopy]

Trophy

[main palm]

mpreg for u

[errant canopy]

[main palm]

imagine getting mpregged anre responding 😔 and not 🥹

[sullen wren]

Honestly, auto-battle was something we agonized over for a long time. We do want every piece of content to feel meaningfully challenging — and frankly, I think we push harder on that than most games in our genre do. But even with that, I have to be honest: players come in with different build levels, different team compositions, different goals. There’s no realistic way to guarantee the game feels engaging at every single moment.

Given that, we came to the view that making the boring stretches lighter — letting auto handle the parts that aren’t really testing anything — actually has value. It’s not about lowering the bar for the game as a whole; it’s about respecting players’ time when the content genuinely isn’t asking anything of them.

So no, there’s no “keeping parity with JP to link the games” angle driving this. The reasoning stands on its own.

[open wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1466674893646205128/1466674894677741568/Animation2.gif

[errant canopy]

Doorsin and Keeper

[frank stratus]

You're so smart

[median bridge]

Remove auto
Remove dailies
Shrimple as

[nimble coyote]

That's the thing though. The "Playing 50 cards" daily isn't testing anything, and you removed the easy way to do that. That's not respective players time, that's the opposite.

[tranquil swallow]

But having a daily is good for the game longevity

no denying

if its easy

its better

its good the way it is

auto made it better for people who have stagnated their options

[bitter hazel]

Instead of the 50 cards, why don't we add more things to do for the dailies that can complete it a different way ? Like doing X amount of damage or something like that (working like the 50 cards ofc, not doing that damage in one attack/turn/battle)
Sometimes I just wish I could use burst/aequor team instead of playing my caro one and playing all my non-damaging card to stall as much as I can, it's boring T_T

[woven abyss]

Idk I guess one way to shut people up would return auto to the trials. Just so they stop being such crybabies.
Like it just doesn't make sense to me they can't part 5 minutes to focus on the daily.

So yeah, you can't make everyone happy. I just hope people stop being annoying over not being able to press auto.

[nimble coyote]

It's not if it drives people away. I stopped playing genshin because the dailies took too long and we're tedious. Morimens isn't at that point, we can still auto specific story battles or events, but it's a step in the wrong direction

[woven abyss]

You can't compare Genshin dailies to Morimens. It's night and day

[glossy otter]

I will say the dailies aren't that bad from where I'm sitting? You can get your skip tickets, and doing some basic story stage or p-dive or something can be pretty fast for doing it. Not saying it should or shouldn't change, just that I don't think personally that dailies are the issue.

[woven abyss]

Morimens I can do daily IN LESS THAN 5 MINUTES

[tranquil swallow]

yeah I admit, I still plug up the latest level 60 event and let it auto to do my daily

the events are filled with repeat battles

of content I've already done

anyway

[woven abyss]

Genshin I have to do 20+ minutes

Just the daily

[main palm]

nuh uh it takes you 3 hours to play 50 cards

[nimble coyote]

Ngl unless they changed something, that's skill issue

I did mine under 10 mins, dailies and spending stamina

[tranquil swallow]

it takes you 2 hours to do d-tide low alerts

on auto

[median bridge]

Likewise logging on just to click 2 buttons and get fomo rewards while tabbed out is pretty meaningless, daily menial tasks function to keep people into the game thru habitual engagement but they also work to keep people out once they eventually miss a few days since they can often feel like they're "behind", ideally people would play a game because they enjoy it without any FOMO incentive and just progress at their own pace like almost every game that has lived for longer than 5 years does, tho I guess that's pretty risky in general

[tranquil swallow]

way less

[sullen wren]

Actually — good news on that specific one. Starting in V2.5, playing 50 cards will no longer be the only way to complete that daily. You’ll have other options, so if that particular quest has been friction for you, it’s one of the things genuinely getting better.

[main palm]

i think dtide should have auto for people who want it. i dont think it being there to play 50 cards is why lol

[woven abyss]

Well I left before the uuh commission thing? Like they did some kind of point system

[nimble coyote]

Thank you, that makes the auto removal way more bearable

[candid dove]

The other one is completing homework for Doll, you gotta do math

[median bridge]

Daily quest: use 5 ethereal cores

[tranquil swallow]

I also don't agree trials should have auto or count for 50 cards played, its not all black and white, yes

[candid dove]

Daily quest: a return of daily dungeons

Daily train mode

[woven abyss]

Daily quest: do HSR run

[main palm]

as long as it's an option and not a requirement lol

[sleek coral]

Pay 10 silver per card you didnt play

[main palm]

daily quest: do every single dtide wave on A5 no support

[woven abyss]

I'm cooked.

[abstract dragon]

Uve played 50 cards atp

[main palm]

yea but that's not a quest anymore so you have to keep going 🧠

[candid dove]

"Invasive surgery" sounds pretty scary tbh, there's a lot of good things about the way Morimens is now that are because this game avoids gacha problems like timerslop and has a good slow progression curve for folks who can't blow cash on OEing every new character

[sullen wren]

I can promise this won’t happen to daily tasks.​​​​​​​​​​​​​!!!!!!!!

[candid dove]

damn

[woven abyss]

0/10 game won't save for Guvhash

[candid dove]

how are you going to compete with CZN by respecting the player's time

[main palm]

but it could 😈

[woven abyss]

[candid dove]

dead game

[wraith prism]

buff uvhash

[woven abyss]

Czn I'm confused how people are able to play it 5 hours straight

Every day

I swear these guys don't play other games

[main palm]

they just play 5 other games at the same time

[woven abyss]

But czn doesn't let you auto in the mode that matters

[main palm]

seeing a chronic gacha game player in action is impressive

[woven abyss]

When I see such people I just pity them

[main palm]

lol

[candid dove]

I'm OK with shaking up the gacha meta as long as the slow reliable account progression is maintained, so I'll wait and see 🧘‍♀️

[woven abyss]

What do you mean by progression

[candid dove]

things like monthly shop dupes and having long-term goals like +12ing standard wheels as a reason to log in

those are long-term account goals you can work towards a bit a day that are clear

[main palm]

forcing you to spend one pity every 3 months really isn't that bad. hopefully it doesn't go higher but like eh. obviously better if you didn't have to but people definitely get in their own way in trying new things out that they don't immediately think they'll like

[candid dove]

yeah this reminds me a lot of the endfield weapon banner thing

[main palm]

weapon banner is way worse 💀

[woven abyss]

OH SPEAKING OF THE SHOP.

BRO WE GET A UNIVERSAL CHARACTER DUPE AND WHEEL

This alone with also not godawful relic system makes this game infinitely more generous.

[candid dove]

weapon banner in endfield looked absolutely horrible and the devs turned around and went "weapon banners are up for three character ones now" and it worked out

[woven abyss]

I despise relic systems in games

[main palm]

we could be getting 300 pulls a month and people would be mad they are losing 3. it's just how people function

[candid dove]

yeah

[nimble coyote]

@sullen wren I'm not sure you can share, but do you have an approximate for the amount of pulls you're aiming to turn into the new temporary pulls in each version?

And are you aiming to use temporary pulls only on the character events, or other events too like the anniversary?

[woven abyss]

It's nighttime in china no?

Let the cat sleep :/

[main palm]

would be better to ask is it just character event pulls being converted to ethereal

[abstract dragon]

3AM

[wraith prism]

for now i think its about only the rewards from events

if its more (like log in pulls)

[wooden pelican]

Im sure someone said this already but i think communicating big changes like that before the patch is a good thing, between things like delay and big changes sometimes is hard to accept the future of morimens it these updates, i think trying to give a small preview of updates before they get so close to release would alleviate alot of the concerns

[main palm]

we see login pulls still being luminous on version outlook

[candid dove]

FWIW: if done properly - and people will hate me for saying this - limited time pulls are a good thing

[nimble coyote]

I edited it

[median bridge]

True, people will inevitably forget to use them this banner and be forced to pull for Saya

[candid dove]

You create long-term content with permanent pulls and keep that content up long-term, so new player accounts can catch up

[main palm]

it either makes you try a single E0 unit you wouldn't have or it does nothing lol

[woven abyss]

Yeah he explained it about the ethereal cores but will he be able to keep up to not showcase changes in wrong order is for the future us to see

[nimble coyote]

Can you clarify?

[candid dove]

Arknights

basically

Endfield too

[nimble coyote]

I don't play those

[main palm]

endfield does it worse 🙂

[sharp ferry]

That's because arknights gives the limited time pulls as an extra

[woven abyss]

Endfield I think has no guarantee?

[main palm]

limited banners you get 24 free pulls

[woven abyss]

Or was it of arknights

[candid dove]

Limited-time events having a lot of permanent pulls means that the later someone starts playing, the less pulls their account has, so you have this spiralling need for catch-up banners and things

[main palm]

has no pity carry over and has scams to get you to pull to 30/50/etc

[nimble coyote]

Ah but that's free pulls, not removing regular pulls and replacing them with those

[tranquil swallow]

holy fuck, the mother of plays

saya haters will feel dirty

[tepid saffron]

答辩设计

[main palm]

these are free pulls, they just rebalancing gacha,

[candid dove]

So you put more pulls into permanent content generally. Also encourages more permanent content, which means the game grows in size over time which everyone prefers

[tribal saddle]

Will 🪭Huangpu's Whisper 仿生人间

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[woven abyss]

Aha. Yeah I kinda that kinda eh.

If no pity carryover

Especially if it forces you to pull for the extra pulls

[wooden pelican]

I think the way they showcase updates is a bit rough, getting information at the last minute can be tough specially if it comes with controversies paired with it

[main palm]

it's so predatory

[candid dove]

Basically limited-time pulls done properly encourage more good permanent content rather than a need to be making endless limited-time content to keep the pull economy up

[woven abyss]

Despondent Vermin

[main palm]

worst think arknights does is have a high pity cap

[woven abyss]

(those who know the game, hi)

[main palm]

but you can gurantee it in 4 months if you are skipping banners

[tepid saffron]

做出这东西是纯纯找骂来的

[tribal saddle]

Crowlov

From Chinese (Simplified) (ZH_HANS) To English (EN)

I made this thing purely to get scolded

Translation requested by Crowlov from Flag-Reaction Feature.

Will 🪭Huangpu's Whisper 仿生人间

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[woven abyss]

I was just making a meme :////

[nimble coyote]

How are they free if we lose 10 regular pulls for it? We're not getting an extra 10-pulls worth of silver from what I understand

[molten ridge]

Endfield and AK are garbage, so nobody is surprised

[candid dove]

Basically: limited content having important missable pulls sucks long-term for a game, it causes burnout

[tepid saffron]

[molten ridge]

Devs that hate their players

[woven abyss]

It's not like these pulls are garbage, standard banner and wheel jail always has stuff to chase

[tranquil swallow]

people complain about arachne design = update delayed
people complain about lower rewards = 10k silver

Who won?

[molten ridge]

add LaDS and Infinity Nikki to that list

[candid dove]

arachne fans

[woven abyss]

At this point. Idk

[woven abyss]

I STILL can't notice what has changed in her design

[nimble coyote]

Does this include every endgame mode in every gacha game ever?

[candid dove]

yes

[vast glacier]

I’m late to the party, but what’s going to happen to Luminous Cores? I’ve saved up a lot of them for Tulu, so it would suck if they just disappeared

[tranquil swallow]

they wont, but you wont be able to save as many as you were saving

[nimble coyote]

Current ones stay, future events give temporary cores

[tranquil swallow]

from now on

[vast glacier]

bahahhaha

[candid dove]

you don't want the bulk of your free pulls coming from time-heavy content that has to be done every two weeks forever

[vast glacier]

it fucking sucks

[main palm]

free as in you spend no money to get them. we are getting ~500 extra silver a month so not a lot. I called it a rebalance cause that's what they are attempting to do in a very abrupt and poorly communicated way 🙂

[languid wolf]

First banner from every patch cycle will be pushed for FOMO

[tranquil swallow]

if it helps, veteran players will come here saying you wanting to save = bricking your account

(Not everyone cares about D-tide, newsflash)

[molten ridge]

I have an honest suggestion that'll get me taken out back and executed by certain people.

Why not add a 'story mode' where the story has reduced difficulty so that people can get through the story unhampered by needing to grind? I know the 5 revive system is in place to help with that, but someone might genuinely drop the game if they get hardstuck and need to grind or a few weeks or months before they can progress story.

It should be a little box you check, rather than the default.

[woven abyss]

Uuh. Tldr.

Nothing.
They add a new core that acts as a timelimited core luminous core, it lives until next version update so like 4 months.

When it times out it transforms to pure core.

It is a net buff if you care on pulling every patch because they increasing the silver and pulls.

[languid wolf]

Expect Tulu to have no saving period

[nimble coyote]

Yeah. If the issue is people not engaging with limited banners, they could give 1 free pull per day that must be used that day like some other gachas do

[paper umbra]

Didn’t there already have a nerf for this..?

[candid dove]

I suspect that Light and co would very much like for Morimens to not have four months between story chapter drops

[tranquil swallow]

by how much silver?

right now lens did the math

its 200 silver

[vast glacier]

well, my account if already bricked as it can be, im just saving everything for a characters im interested in so LMAO

[molten ridge]

It's probably still not enough for people playing in the first few weeks and wanting to binge the story.

[median bridge]

If people get hardstuck enough to quit then the game isn't for them anyway, and dumbing it down for everyone would be even worse imo

[molten ridge]

It's probably still not enough for people playing in the first few weeks and wanting to binge the story.

[woven abyss]

I came here to get fucked not have a good time.

So yeah keep it as is

[main palm]

but they've already designed the game around the number of pulls you currently get so you would likely get less pulls per event if they made that change + it's objectively worse cause then you forced to pull on every banner not just one every 3 months lol

[tranquil swallow]

yeah but veterans don't see you as a player then 🥴 sad reality is people are elitist like that

[molten ridge]

Ego is like horse blinders

[candid dove]

First banner every cycle is literally the protagonist of that chapter (GMurphy, Arachne, Caraboo) so they'd get pushed to hell and back anyway

[misty pine]

This is not a book bro

[candid dove]

speak for your self

[molten ridge]

The story is good, that's not an argument.

[candid dove]

folds phone in half

[median bridge]

Idk I started a few months ago and I didn't have much trouble even before spending, the gnosis are OP enough for the hardest bosses (haven't done arc 2 tho)

[molten ridge]

yeah, this suggestion is made with Arc 2 in mind

[silver arrow]

let's be real books are harder than most gachas

[main palm]

i feel like they expire right as those banners appear ngl...
2.5-2.6 sounds like they expire as 2.6 starts to me

[molten ridge]

I'm day 1, so I've done all the story. This is a suggestion to get others into the game.

[languid wolf]

Counterpoint, who the f is Gdoll

[candid dove]

yes

[vast glacier]

thank god I’ll be able to save silver then, they can’t take it away from me. and I’ll have a suspiciously large number of pure cores soon

[misty pine]

Peeps who care only for story can just search it on YT

[molten ridge]

Do you really not know?

[nimble coyote]

Well, they balanced the game around giving us this amount of permanent pulls and they're changing that, why not changed the balance and increase the pulls players get instead of reducing the permanent amount of them?

[misty pine]

For this community - sure enough

[languid wolf]

Not when she shows up and gets exposition dumped like you were in a coma

[molten ridge]

not about caring ONLY for story, but rather letting it be a hook to get people in

[misty pine]

Clueless

[median bridge]

I guess, but arc 2 only has a few chapters so slowing down progress and making people "chase it" if they're into the story is a good incentive for them to learn to play the game and grind for a while methinks

[candid dove]

Arc 2 only has a few chapters and then a2c4 shows up and feels about ten years long

[tranquil swallow]

I just can't take gachas story as seriously as I do with single player games myself.

The padding in gachas

the segmented story

the pacing, is complete ass in almost every single one

[woven abyss]

This is still a new system if they were to add +2 or so extre ethereal pulls in future events I would say its dangerously generous.

Like let's be real people. The Devs said they want more money. So they will have to make more predatory things.

I kinda wish Light didn't give away this 10k silver cause people who don't get this will still bitch cause they missed out

[tepid saffron]

This is bad news for players who like to hoard draw supplies, as it means they will waste a certain amount of draw supplies when the card pool has not yet arrived at their favorite character.

[misty pine]

Honestly I myself haven't seen anyone complaining about the story difficulty, and if anything I see enough people that love the story

[woven abyss]

I'm sure there HAS to be atleast one unit you will like in the version

If you are turbo hoarding you are doing it for the meme

Like me

[vast glacier]

no, not really

i mean i like them but not rnough to pull

usually

[misty pine]

For 5 months straight?

[vast glacier]

yeah

[median bridge]

It's all contingent on them giving more free timed pulls or silver to compensate, since you can still hoard silver forever

[woven abyss]

Well.... Uh... You are the turbo minority then

[languid wolf]

tbf they have released one character in the last 2 months

[median bridge]

If they give the same as now then it's definitely anti-player

[vast glacier]

[molten ridge]

I've seen people complain a lot about Arc 2

[tranquil swallow]

i mean its been 6 months without a male character, makes sense for people who only pull male if I'd have to make an example

[misty pine]

Then you are either lying or just a turbo simp hoarder

[woven abyss]

There were male reruns tho

[misty pine]

Sucks for you, wcyd

[main palm]

I honestly don't really get what you're saying here. At the end of the day 15% of you pulls each month need to be used now. You still get the same avg # of SSR units but every 3 months you might get a single copy of something you don't want. It encourages player experimentation and pushes for more monetization.

[tranquil swallow]

yeah, there were, but I think thats besides the point

[vast glacier]

the last character i pulled was pollux

[molten ridge]

to be fair, pulling Only Male/Only Female is genuinely stupid.

but it's their right

and I don't want that choice removed

[tranquil swallow]

Its a valid choice for them, why should it be stupid for you if it doesn't detract from your experience

yeah okay u admitted its their right

fair

[main palm]

didn't even spend on any reruns? rip 36 pulls then they are pure cores now

[molten ridge]

I can call it stupid while still fighting for the ability to do so

[sharp ferry]

And the issue is?? I don't get how this is even an argument - as someone said before, why would anyone oppose more choice. And choice is what they're taking away by forcing you to pull

[tranquil swallow]

yea yea, I gave you that

[molten ridge]

Choices are important

[vast glacier]

ok i lied to you i also pulled for gmurphy

[wooden pelican]

Is it really a good monetization change if you force people to get characters that they dont want? it just sounds like you will make more people quit without much of a benefit

[vast glacier]

on her rerun

[vast glacier]

yeah i kinda forgor about gmurphy

[woven abyss]

They give you about 4 months to use these pulls so it's not like you HAVE to pull on this banner that shows

[main palm]

you still lose 24 to pure cores then i think

[tepid saffron]

In star chapter, I only extracted GDoll, Clementine, Coposant, Castor, and GMurphy

[misty pine]

We still haven't even seen the full update preview, and making assumptions exclusively on 1/3rd of information is pretty useless

[sharp ferry]

sure but still less choice. Bro its still less choice if only 5% of the player base is affected

[nimble coyote]

The problem is that an e0 characters is worthless. So you either wasted up to 90 pulls for that pity, or you need to spend even more on a char you didn't want to make them usable

[tranquil swallow]

part 2 and 3 will surely be full of rewards 🫡

one can hope

[woven abyss]

slams the duper done. Good unit now

[main palm]

wheels and reruns exist too.

[vast glacier]

i dont really care i like hoarding pulls and using them on characters i want

[nimble coyote]

Like we have an infinite amount of those

[woven abyss]

I sure as hell do.

[nimble coyote]

Good for you

[molten ridge]

technically we have an infinite amount until the game EOS

[main palm]

yeah, but 24 pulls isn't that many. just spend them on a wheel or let them be pure cores

[tranquil swallow]

get your morphine in the veins fellas

it'll be an invasive surgery

[languid wolf]

For people in favour of ethereal, which luminous core rewards should be changed to ethereal next?

[nimble coyote]

If the game EOS it has a limit so it's not infinite

[molten ridge]

this is a pretty big scary part for me

[wooden pelican]

Implementing axiom while punishing hoarding pulls really sounds like a fomo strategy to make people feel bad for being a f2p

[woven abyss]

Events sound just fine

[main palm]

only 1 guy said it was actually a good change

[vast glacier]

oh god

[main palm]

it's just a nothing change to everyone else

[woven abyss]

Anything you get from paid things should stay luminous

[languid wolf]

Why stop there if its widely accepted

[nimble coyote]

Yeah, just make all currency temporary at that point

Silver transforms into rose if you don't spend it

[sharp ferry]

Yeah so why have a nothing change for 95% of players and punish the remaining 5% ... it's still a decision made in bad faith

[north scarab]

Finnaly i can use covenants again 🤑

[woven abyss]

There is nothing else they could replace

[tranquil swallow]

guys its just silver, its not even gold, why do you complain 🥴

[delicate kelp]

My gif mentioned harlo

[languid wolf]

Arc1-2 Silver, Arc3 Gold

[woven abyss]

What? Make Dzone give ethereal?

[open wyvern]

your gif lives on

[languid wolf]

Resplendent Cores for 300 Gold

[delicate kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1466674893646205128/1466674894677741568/Animation2.gif

[tranquil swallow]

option to turn the new cores into pens

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170692781216378960/1493558641070964736/whale_bully.gif

[main palm]

being made to try things might make you realize you actually like it. it's like giving a toddler a single piece of broccoli with their nuggies 🙂

it's just enough pulls to hit a single soft pity lol

they probably give out more in mail a month than what u are losing here

[sharp ferry]

It's not fun when you're forced to do it - don't say surely you wanna pull in 4 months, I thinks it's very clear not everyone wants to

[open wyvern]

finally a good suggestion comes from this whole discussion

let me turn luminous cores into pens pls

[tranquil swallow]

its okay, just spread your cheeks for B.I.A.V, they promised you an invasive surgery

(sorry I really wanna make the low tier joke)

[woven abyss]

Just open my veins and give me the invasive surgery I'm ready

[north scarab]

Who said anything about injecting in veins😅

[open wyvern]

Absolute Axioms on every character even the newest ones and double Tide enemy health directly into your bloodstream

[woven abyss]

As insane as it may sound.

Yes. Gimme

I want to see the AAs

[open wyvern]

[tranquil swallow]

Invasive surgery, but with a chainsaw

[north scarab]

Just make the worst predicts atp ,predict such that once the version it ,they all look tame ,easy strat

[tranquil swallow]

its our fault for having expected good things

Q_Q

https://tenor.com/view/123-gif-27708605

[languid wolf]

Make the monthly dupes only valid for that month

[open wyvern]

remove monthly dupe entirely

[woven abyss]

Ok now that's nasty

[woven abyss]

That's even worse 😭

Guys do not let Elux join the Biav team

[tranquil swallow]

There would be people defending that still 🥴

[languid wolf]

Ok fine, valid for the patch cycle, 4months. We established that that was fair and shouldn't inconvenience anyone

[woven abyss]

I mean there are always good units you can use it on

[sharp ferry]

Tests your planning skills or some shit

[north scarab]

Brother you have to defend any prediction coming now 😂

[tranquil swallow]

FUCK THIS FAST?

[nimble coyote]

The strat is to plan a bad change, make a horrible change, players complain, they say "we heard you, we're tuning it down to this bad change instead", and then white knights show up and say "see, they listened"

[tranquil swallow]

Prototypes expire now monthly, blame Crowlov

[main palm]

i mean...
-# lowkey wouldn't care but also wouldn't defend it lol

would probably complain maybe

who knows

🙂

[tranquil swallow]

My fiancée just told me

love and deepspace

[wooden pelican]

Why set for that why not you can only use 1 prototype per character? more experimentation so people try characters

[tranquil swallow]

has this same exact approach

to limited pulls

they expire on event/patch

[main palm]

i would like +12 gtulu but like actually making the units i have more fun to play seems fine

[tranquil swallow]

The highest grossing gacha does it

so morimens followed through

[woven abyss]

Boohoo poor me. I can't hoard my horizons. Time to make my limited E0 units better now.

[tranquil swallow]

rip

[main palm]

a lot of games have expiring pulls, not many take away pulls to retroactively add them

[nimble coyote]

If they could balance their game around e0 units, maybe it wouldn't be such a big problem

[tranquil swallow]

yeah and thats not consumer friendly

thats just the reality

[sharp ferry]

They have a religious cult of players, which is probably why it was fine. Though I'm starting to suspect there are such players here as well which is pretty surprising to me

[woven abyss]

If they do that why have dupes in the first place.

Would speedrun the EoS so hard

[molten ridge]

for love

[nimble coyote]

Uh, in every other gacha game you can clear the game with e0 units

[north scarab]

Yep the thing is those games can afford these changes safely ,but morimens have to risk it like now

[molten ridge]

I like current dupe system outside of OE, but like

[nimble coyote]

Here half of them are plain garbage to play

[woven abyss]

I have to say the sad truth.

If dupes added nothing but base stats no one would using dupes

[molten ridge]

that's such a bad argument

cuz people will roll dupes for stats

[nimble coyote]

Look at nikke lol

[woven abyss]

That's a DPS game

[molten ridge]

Broaden your horizons to other gacha, a lot of people will roll dupes JUST for stats. Hell, even in Morimens, people will roll dupes for stats.

[woven abyss]

It's very stat heavy

[molten ridge]

What other reason do you have to roll +12? And don't say AA, only freebies have that rn lol

yet look at how many people roll +12

[woven abyss]

My horizon is quite wide.

Id much rather have dupes unlock additional unit effects instead of just stats.

[molten ridge]

Yeah, and like I said above, I like current dupe system, but your argument sucked.

[woven abyss]

That's cause Morimens is capable of letting you do it. They give tons and tons of resources to do that

Other Gachas you have to save so hard

[main palm]

+10 levels is different to the main and secondary stat increases before then

[nimble coyote]

That's not why whales pull max dupes. Whales pull max dupes because they can

[molten ridge]

a lot of games let you roll dupes for just +levels

[nimble coyote]

No content needs max dupes there, or on any game

[main palm]

if they removed all the passives on stuff on enlightens and OE you would likely just get higher stats

[nimble coyote]

And whales would still pull for the max dupes

[main palm]

ye im just saying they would rework it so you get more stats than just removing what enlightens currently do

[main palm]

i agree but the incentives would just be altered not removed

[molten ridge]

anyways, I made my point on how people WILL still pull for dupes without current enlighten system, and if it were just stats.
I like current Enlighten system outside of silly shit like tying recent unit scaling behind it. I.E. Mou and a few others

[nimble coyote]

I like when they add meaningful but not game changing stuff looks at Kath e0 vs e3

I agree locking scaling behind enlightens is pretty lame too

[molten ridge]

yeah scaling is dumb af

[main palm]

i mean it would be kinda fine it was more scaling but they just create it out of nothing at E3 lol

[nimble coyote]

Yeah, and on e1 with mouch and vortice with the Stat scalings

[daring phoenix]

Any updates for older characters or Axiom this version? @wraith pelican

[candid dove]

only thing with mouchette - It'd be nice if every new account got a single copy of her whenever her event re-run comes up.

not anyone who already got her, but it'd mean new accounts could catch up a bit

She'd just smash down the door and show up in the account

which is very on brand for her

[molten ridge]

is that for real?

@topaz vector good news for you

[candid dove]

nah it's a wishlist

doubt it happens

fixed grammar to make it clearer

[molten ridge]

oof

rip, sorry Megi

[light lark]

Ain't no way I called out the 10k silver apology 😭😂

#1494311551619043339 message

[candid dove]

You saw fate

You are Arachne now

[light lark]

So true. I deserve free Arachne. Light, can I get a free Arachne?

Also, man... y'all had a lot of fun while I'm asleep kekw.

[young sedge]

Light is lurking and spying on us

First was with me with vortice kit about exalt removing fortress

Now it's you with 10k gems apology

[candid dove]

I am just impressed BIAV have strung us along with this "Arachne and Caraboo chapters got swapped" joke so long, they have really committed to the bit

Can't wait for Caraboo's kit tomorrow 😉

[young sedge]

[tardy horizon]

Agreed

[quartz needle]

New dynamic?
What is even the new dynamic here?
The new dynamic is BIAV can sleep soundly at night knowing they’re just successfully bribed people to let them accept Ethereal Cores?
Isn’t this just a scheme to make people can’t save and have to dish out their wallet like what you want with the AA changes in the future?

Let’s see if that increase silver of yours can offset the luminous changes
which people will probably defend because you have bribed them with 10k silver

[woven abyss]

Please translate

[woven abyss]

I mean. It kinda did. For this version that is.

But the pain will be felt next version

[quartz needle]

I can’t see anything good in Light explaination except corporate talk and a bribe to tell people to shut up and accept ethereal cores

[silver atlas]

Looks to me they are encouraging players to pull on all new banners with this change, instead of saving to OE or +12 someone, probably the dynamic his talking about

Can't say everyone want to pull for all new units thou

[quartz needle]

translation: “Give us your money”!

now I feel so dynamic everytime I pull

Just as our savior BIAV intended

[wraith prism]

if this message is seen or not idc that much at this point.
Idk if its a lot to ask for this information (more like assurance)
But i'd really like to know only the event rewards would be ethereal cores and every other luminous cores source (from login bonuses to codes and to shop items) remain the same

[nimble coyote]

It's not

[pearl sinew]

Shut up, my (ancestors (?)) Is light. If you anger me, I'll download morimens on your phone automatically

[bitter hazel]

Not 100% sure ofc because it can change later, but so far, from what I'm seeing in the picture with what is coming next patch, we still get Luminous from daily login and the paid wheel event. I assume everything money related will still be Luminous (because it would sucks otherwise 💀 )

[woven abyss]

Yeah I'm fine with people fighting if they make ethereal be buyable instead of luminous.

[tardy acorn]

My dad

[fathom rose]

a

[pearl sinew]

With regards to it not being offered for bi weekly highest challenge content (d effect zone). Is it possible to compromise and allow it for alert 2 and below?

Morimens have varying difficulties for casuals to try hards. Reinstating auto for the 2 easiest difficulties to cater to the causal crowd seems like a devent compromise.

Besides, apart from a1 a2, I don't think it's possible to auto for the remaining difficulties anw

[pearl topaz]

a

[pearl sinew]

B

[open wyvern]

C

[strong kernel]

bruh i exchange all silver to Luminous Core before this look up appear lol

now u have 500 core and cant use to roll Arachne ???

[wraith prism]

You can still use them on arachne

[strong kernel]

[wraith prism]

What is being added are ethereal cores which will have a time limit, which will still be usable on banners that cost limited cores

[buoyant coral]

You got the better cores 😄

[strong kernel]

so they make new core for new event banner and still can use Luminous core to roll right ?

[quartz needle]

not for new event banner

[woven abyss]

Ok let me fill you in.

[quartz needle]

ethereal is time limited pulls that you can use before a deadline
after that it will convert to pure core (standard pull) if you didn’t use it before the deadline

[woven abyss]

Ethereal cores are replacing luminous ones in events (from what's seen)
They last for 4-5 months (a patch version)
Once they time out they become from timed luminous pulls to pure pulls

To compensate they will be giving out more pulls in general.

So it's a buff if you pull anyway, nerf for hoarding past the version patch

[upper knot]

No kit leak?

[dark mango]

@sullen wren是看到大家存了一堆銀芯和抽抽覺得不妙才搞空幻之芯這齣嗎？怎麼不想想大家不抽卡的原因？我可以直接告訴你，因為無聊、無趣，不值得為此花錢，玩家已經告訴過你他們想要什麼，你不聽，覺得自己的點子超級讚，玩家都是一群不懂遊戲製作的刁民，然後為了省錢端出敷衍無聊的產品，那玩家不買單不是很正常的嗎？

[tribal saddle]

Crowlov

From Chinese (Simplified) (ZH_HANS) To English (EN)

@sullen wrenDid you create the Hollow Fantasy Core because you saw everyone had a bunch of silver cores stored and the pumping was not good? Why don't you think about the reasons why people don't draw cards? I can tell you directly, because it is not interesting and not worth the money. The player has told you what they want. If you don't listen and try to be super competitive, the player will be a bunch of people who don't understand games. However, in order to save money and produce perfunctory and boring products, isn't it normal for the player not to buy the game?

Translation requested by Crowlov from Flag-Reaction Feature.

[woven abyss]

Make them make GUvhash 🙂

[dark mango]

How did you know I like Uvhash too?

[bold sun]

我特地翻出来骂人。你猫到底做没做过市场调研？一拍脑袋出个期间限定抽卡道具想干嘛？你不爱这个游戏可以申请换去别的组或者另谋高就，不要祸害忘却前夜了可以吗？？？

[terse knoll]

提供一点反馈供参考：

部分玩家，例如我的习惯是，在能够确定投入的情况下，第一时间把角色/命轮抽满或抽到一个理想情况。
而显然，部分随时间周期发放的空幻抽，会晚于这个时间点。

由于空幻抽会退化成无垢抽，至少失去一半价值(按溢出补偿来看)。
因此，为了避免损失，合理策略是，等待当期的空幻抽完全发放完毕后，再完成一期的抽取。

也就是说，要么我选择第一时间抽到爽，但是同时认知到自己承受了完全不必要的损失，是个冤大头；
要么采取上述策略，放弃第一时间拉满的快感，同时让我质疑自己为什么明明已经全氪满，还需要如此精打细算斤斤计较。

我只能引用一句流行语，“伤害不大，但侮辱性很强”。

望慎重考虑，祝好

[young lotus]

搞个限时抽卡道具出来我感觉你真是怕这游戏似的不够快 事已至此你的冯冯先死一遍

[young lotus]

我去不小心长按到回复了

你是不是还觉得自己特有才啊还弄个限时抽奖道具，我说我骑着你老冯在天上飞别人都问我为什么皆若空游无所依

[restive oriole]

你把你那逼小巧思放在產能和周邊不好嗎，你猜為啥玩家課金慾望低？
你擱這28+14天才出一個角色玩家有課金慾望才有鬼，還有那周邊，原價20的吧唧黃牛都能賣到200了，這錢你自己賺不好嗎
你但凡21天一個角色42天一章主線誰i貓？
全都當貓孝子了

還有你那空幻，改成額外的福利每次出新角送五個不香嗎

非要把活動彩抽換成這

[bold sun]

错误的，羊的吧唧炒到450了。

刚上海鲜市场看了

[restive oriole]

逼養的你嫌這遊戲還是太賺錢是吧

[bold sun]

你猫再哭穷试试呢？白给的来钱法子你让黄牛赚钱？

[dark mango]

另外再跟偉大的遊戲製作人提一件事，基本上很多人看到+12才是完全體都會猶豫要不要入坑，這時在坑裡的我們就會說：「雖然+12才是完全體，但遊戲免費資源送很多，願意肝的話無課也能+12」，但以後不能這樣推人入坑了，因為遊戲製作人親手把這條路堵死了

忘卻是個好遊戲，可惜經營它的是個短視近利且不接受他人意見的獨裁者，沒必要再為這遊戲花任何一毛錢了，畢竟誰會為死期將近的遊戲花錢呢？

[pallid matrix]

黃牛把圖魯稀有徽炒到700人民幣了

[restive oriole]

逆天

[pallid matrix]

雖然但是我覺得說無課也能+12這種話應該只會勸退別人吧

[restive oriole]

這就是燙門的威力嗎⋯⋯

[bold sun]

炒谷子是这样，要不是你游实在小众，上k没问题

[restive oriole]

這和炒股票有何區別

[bold sun]

价格崩盘后你手里还有一个铁片的区别。

[dark mango]

是嗎？只是花錢買時間和花時間省錢的區別而已吧

[bold sun]

无氪也可以+12，顶多是打消小部分犹豫。尸块切成本体+3启+12，这个才是最劝退的

[restive oriole]

因為你遊抽一個+12爽不了，要抽五個+12才能爽

[pallid matrix]

主要還是跟別遊戲比起來還是太多命座了，會給人設一個需要很久的心理預期

[bold sun]

哪个游戏敢这么切，可能我玩的少，我真没见过跟他切的一样多的

[nova jewel]

there was that whale who auto a4 with +12 pollux

broken

[dark mango]

所以送很多的免費資源可以縮短這個流程，但校貓顯然不爽玩家只用免費石頭不花錢

[pallid matrix]

主要還是沒有陸服吧，有陸服當初推出+12早給罵沒了，簡中人的戰鬥力我一向很認可

[novel ether]

還真是

人口基數又大

[bold sun]

有陆服它就不会叫没钱了，真的躺着赚钱，这游戏底子很好

[novel ether]

所以為啥不開

[dark mango]

當初沒拿到版號

[pallid matrix]

聽說沒過審核

[outer jasper]

申不到版号

[bold sun]

最搞笑的是，实际上玩家很多是简中的，起码一周年的时候基本是简中玩家在撑

审核过不了，版号拿不到

要上陆服，要大删改剧情+角色加布料

[pallid matrix]

繁衍狂熱也要刪了

[bold sun]

类似的事情我们可以在简中服的FGO看到

加布料加到厌倦

[dark mango]

但最近聽說又要開了

反正和諧不要影響到國際服就好

[bold sun]

还有一个严峻的问题，开简中服的话说不定还有男女对立的戏可以看

你血肉穿破布条子要被举报的

[pallid matrix]

那個籌備大陸版的不知道要多久呢，我覺得沒有一年半載不太可能

[restive oriole]

陸服感覺不太可能

要改的部分太多了

||塵白復活的可能都比較高||

[bold sun]

以前说努力过，最后是过不了审放弃了，转去做国际服

[pallid matrix]

說到這個，莉莉之前被同公司旗下不同遊戲的用戶舉報兒童色情來著

[bold sun]

尘白不是说要开服了

[woven abyss]

It takes one to know one

[pallid matrix]

人家要關了

[dark mango]

光星辰三和杜勒跳舞沒做男女差分就能讓一推人崩潰了

[bold sun]

有一说一我真觉得莉莉应该加一点布，成女卖一下肉得了，儿童有红线在

[ebon palm]

俩姐妹都会加很多布吧（）

[pallid matrix]

我倒是覺得莉莉的還好，沒有明目張膽的露三點我都可以接受

[restive oriole]

羊媽估計要成為伊斯蘭教信徒了（

[dark mango]

然後你汀還是無人在意

[pallid matrix]

羊媽不應該是什麼非洲沙漠民族嗎

生育崇拜

[dark mango]

是服裝要包緊緊

[bold sun]

指加衣服到包全身

[restive oriole]

誰會對紫薯有性趣

[ebon palm]

到了简中只能被裹成粽子了

[pallid matrix]

沒人用所以無人在意

[restive oriole]

眼裡全是+45%雙爆的兔頭

[bold sun]

蓝紫色会降低欲望，性欲和食欲都

[pallid matrix]

一群兔頭

[bold sun]

你试试水煮紫甘蓝，一起炖别的食物，吃不下，真的吃不下

[dark mango]

羊媽要保住她的衣服看來只能變成藍皮或紫皮了

[restive oriole]

阿凡達嗎

還是滅霸

[bold sun]

羊光改肤色可能不够

还是太大杯了

所以校猫这个点有没有在窥屏

我想看到取消空幻，或者它的卸任公告。二选一就可以，都有那最好。

[pallid matrix]

都變成圖片要發出來了應該不太可能

[dark mango]

校貓二周年後裝了鐵膝蓋

[bold sun]

冲击力度再大一点说不定可以，我刚去en那边看了一下好像也在说空幻的事情

日服在讨论新卡强度

[pallid matrix]

英區那邊這次也反對才讓校貓出來講話的，沒有英區我估計校貓都不會出來吱聲

[bold sun]

所以我们应该去鼓动洋大人跟我们一起冲锋。

[ebon palm]

那边我觉得昨晚爆的差不多了（）

[bold sun]

键帽忘本忽略中文区玩家属实找死

周年的兑换码我真的感觉一股子阴阳怪气（叹气）

[pallid matrix]

被罵惨了乾脆閉嘴，這就是你貓