V2.5.0 无期囚徒┊Perpetual Thrall

[torn badger]

谁将葬身异处？谁又将长眠故土？
命运落下了熟悉的判决，是黑底白字的讣告。
预知，照见了结局，却照不明灰蒙蒙的命途。
选择此刻的崩解，还是尽头的毁灭？

命运的主人，终究也是命运的奴仆……
作网自缚的囚徒，来不及哭或是笑，
手中的纺轮转动着，永不停歇。
「命运的囚笼里，我们都一无所有。」

——✦——✦—— ✦✦✦ ——✦——✦——

Who will be buried beneath a foreign sky?
Who in the soil of home shall forever lie?
Fate hands down its familiar verdict:
A white-on-black obituary, nothing more.
Prescience illuminates the end,
But leaves the grey and murky road unlit.
Shall we choose oblivion now,
Or devastation at the end?

The Master of Fate is its servant too...
A prisoner bound within her self-made web.
No time to weep, no time to laugh—
Still her hands turn the spindle, never to rest.
"Within this cage of fate, we come with naught—
and naught is all we share."

[mental meteor]

[cosmic plover]

Not a kit

[peak stirrup]

叭叭叭

[proper ridge]

[peak stirrup]

@balmy magnet @harsh moth

[quaint dawn]

[harsh moth]

||和5732在玩什么play吗||

[peak stirrup]

5732是什麼

[harsh moth]

无期迷途

最近他们出的角色先叫克莱门汀然后来个墨菲

[rose vault]

[peak stirrup]

我不行了

[stone escarp]

At this point I'm expecting this physice

https://tenor.com/view/monstermusume-gif-4863342

SHOW US THE LEGS BIAV

WE MUST KNOW

[rose vault]

theyre in the picture...?

literally look at them

[stone escarp]

Those are her other legs

I need to see the ones under her dress

[slow heart]

还有饼吗，想看技能

[upper pewter]

Crowlov

From Chinese (Simplified) (ZH_HANS) To English (EN)

Any more pancakes, I want to see skills

Translation requested by Crowlov from Flag-Reaction Feature.

[pine ember]

Man she kinda goreous

why kinda, shes totally goregous

[latent thistle]

Oh no the agrippa power creep

[misty steeple]

[lavish forge]

Bbl powercreep

[pliant patrol]

技能估计要等后天了吧

[stone escarp]

Agrippa one wasn't even attached I think

[latent thistle]

I think it is detachable. Can be inflated and stacked too from her alt skin

[stone escarp]

Yeah mostly cause of the alt art I thought it just sits around her, just how her legs are

[proper ridge]

I need kit

I need patch overview

I need PV

I need Radio Drama

[full abyss]

❤️

[stone escarp]

woman so hot, it made arachnaphobes love her

[pine ember]

of course! for more information on the matter you can search Agrippa infl... in fact don't do it c:

[low saddle]

I thought those are separate creatures. They kinda remind me of the spawn of Rom from Bloodborne with their masks

[dire girder]

are parts of this art AI generated? The city rooftops look weird

[stone escarp]

looks fine to me

[balmy magnet]

眾人驚了：忘卻前夜是什麼遊戲

[weak gulch]

Oooooohh

[night moat]

don't you know every art piece of the game is AI ?

looke closely at the little details , don't miss any of them !

will the kit be AI gen ? I'm sure of it

[proper ridge]

provide explaination for why this or that is not AI:
being cheeky:

[earnest ingot]

woc美得好崩潰啊

[desert siren]

OHHHHH I love these legs

[rugged dust]

OMG美晕

[unreal arch]

spooder

[plush obsidian]

I like how I had the exact opposite reaction

The straight line going behind the uni and the buildings would be the river and the bridge.

Welp, it's not even close to fully consistent

but the spirit is there

Ig this is alt universe... whatever stands in the place of Mythag

[stone escarp]

-# would be funny if devs were to fix that art and commend you

but yeah, we dont have mythag in that world

[dry finch]

Not entirely sure what you're referring too, everything there makes sense to me, at least for something that isn't meant to be a focal point of the image

[dire girder]

the bottom left seems to be one giant building, or a bunch of buildings that all merged together

Roofs are very close together in general, random additions are sprouting from roofs in ways that make no sense if it was an actual building

it looks more like kowloon walled city than london, something that would not happen if the artist was referencing real streets

[obtuse wedge]

if arachne has a million fans, then i am one of them. if arachne has ten fans, then i am one of them. if arachne has only one fan then that is me. if arachne has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. if the world is against arachne, then I am against the world.

[dry finch]

I mean, the piece comes from an artist that focuses on character art, them not being particularly good at drawing architecture is not really surprising
Pretty certain the goal was to make something that resembles a view of the city from above, rather than carefully recreate an existing street from a reference with coherent details on every single building

[dire girder]

so ur saying its just regular bad art

smh smh

[obtuse wedge]

That absolutely doesn’t look like Kowloon tho

[dire girder]

i mean it's one big building

of course the architecture is different

[obtuse wedge]

I mean I feel like these type of city/building layout is pretty common in artwork and games no? Especially if it’s a top view

I personally don’t see a problem here but understandable

[dire girder]

these are fantasy games, they are exaggerated

if baldur's gate was a real place it would be unesco heritage site, 8th wonder of the world

[balmy notch]

I'm a new player and omg I don't remember when I was so hyped about gacha game last time Love everything about Morimens give me more 💖

[weak gulch]

Yay!

[stone escarp]

you fool, you will summon the +codes and +guides spammers

[proper ridge]

Can I ask if this is AI?

[balmy notch]

yep

[proper ridge]

I don’t know what to say

but this is probably not sth I want to see after finally knowing she’s coming

[balmy notch]

Theres so many things we don't want to see but unfortunately the world doesn't revolve around us 🫂

[proper ridge]

and unfortunately not everyone learn to respect other people art

[balmy notch]

you can just ask admins to punish me whats the problem? If AI stuff is not allowed on server, I will delete it and will not post it. If you just hate AI, well, what can I do

[dry finch]

It's a common decency thing, really

[proper ridge]

Yeah what can I do when people don’t have the decency to respect art

[pine ember]

People though the chibi was funny/cute until aiwas mentioned and suddenly its trash
Idk whos respecting less here

[proper ridge]

I don’t know I’m not the one calling other things trash here

you’re kinda reaching here Zekiel

[dry finch]

One would imagine that feeding an artist's work into a generative AI model and then posting the result under that artist's another work is a rather disrespectful thing to do

[pine ember]

I guess I am

[balmy notch]

Then author can come and say that it's bothering them. Its not necessary to overthink for other people. I strongly believe they are able to defend themselves without your help, respectfully

[pine ember]

I don't see how different it is from doing a fanart really :c

[dry finch]

It's okay, I do not expect someone who gave up on their aspirations to have basic decency

[proper ridge]

I don’t expect much from some people anw

BIAV must be happy for this new addition to their playerbase fanworks ♥️

[rose vault]

bcs ai isnt art

fanart takes effort

ai doesnt

[thin estuary]

Gross

Ai sucks

[dry finch]

Don't overthink people, perhaps the person is simply incapable of expressing their appreciation for the game in any other way than turning the official art into AI-processed imitation
You never know their situation

[balmy notch]

You guys reaching the point when you are just rude. It's fine that you have opinion about AI but you go personal

[pine ember]

Yes because if you haven't spent hundreds of hours learning you craft you have no right in wanting to make images whatsoever.... Huh...

Anyways back to the forum topic I really hope there will be 3 Arachnee or 3 forms of her to tie with the Moira Theme c:

[balmy notch]

I already expressed my appreciation for the game with 200 bucks in game shop this week, so yeah Hopefully that tiny bit willl also help the game to thrive and provide more art 😘

[rose vault]

you are misunderstanding what we are saying

[pine ember]

I am ?

You said ai wasn't art because it doesn't take effort compared to fanart
Or maybe the 3 sentences weren't part of the same idea

[proper ridge]

We’re witnessing the art of ragebaiting

truly wonderful

this must be the fanbase BIAV has always dream of

[pine ember]

Myes we love everyone besides Idot

[proud cypress]

Generally speaking, a big reason that fanart is so appreciated is because it shows the creator's dedication towards the original source material. This is because fan work comes with the implicit understanding that it takes a significant amount of effort and time to create, independent of the objective quality or skill of the creator. This effort and time, being spent on fanart rather than other things in life, implies a love and dedication for the original source material which is a big contributor as to why other people appreciate it. AI, by virtue of not taking any time or any effort, shows none of that dedication and thus commands little respect from people who acknowledge a creator's time and effort.

If the most you can do to show your appreciation of a work is to spend 4 seconds typing "grok, generate me an AI image of this character as a chibi", it shows that you don't really appreciate it much at all.

[robust glade]

If one want to share a piece that is ai generated, it should at least say that it is up front.

[desert siren]

I really like Arachne's design If you use AI, at least indicate that you use it... it's not just about respecting other creators who make efforts but also for the characters themselves... We all know these good characters are designed by these efforts and original ideas

[balmy notch]

I appreciate creators that is why I spend as much money as I can afford, on this game. Anything else is your opinion unless server rules forbid ai generated images. If it is so, yeah, I would totally understand. But as of now, it's just your gatekeeping opinion

[pine ember]

I still think ai image is more appreciation than nothing at all, but I do get why people would put fanart much higher (there is a lot of them lately! c: ). here is was a chibi clearly meant as a joke

[desert siren]

Perhaps the server rules do not forbid it, so you can send it out... but for respect, I think at least it should be indicated as an AI work.

[pine ember]

Also I guess it shouldn't be called art but rather just image, it do be the cold pixel amalgamation of a bunch of math

[proud cypress]

Sometimes, giving very little is considered to be much ruder than not giving at all

If you leave a 1 cent tip for a meal, it is considered far ruder than to give no tip at all, despite 1 cent being more than 0 cents

To draw an equivalent metaphor, the work and effort that artists and writers put into creating a character and design could be considered akin to the work that a highly regarded chef does in cooking a meal for you. Thus, a fanart equivalent would be sending the chef your homemade cookies afterwards to show your appreciation. Even if the cookies are bad, it at least demonstrates you cared enough to do so. AI would be the equivalent of sending the chef a frozen TV dinner afterwards. Even if it's technically more than not sending him anything at all, what you send doesn't exactly demonstrate either respect or appreciation for the work and effort he has put into what he served you.

The form of the actions you take have implications as to their meaning even if you didn't necessarily have those implications in mind to begin with

[pine ember]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fnb-get-this-man-a-true

well ok I do agree with that BUT

the chibi was cute & funny

[robust glade]

yeah, and is ok if they want to share it, but for respect, it should have been specified as such

not much need to talk about this furter, points have already been made

[balmy notch]

Let me explain how it works because I'm a bit tired of this attack. When a game is popular, you cannot avoid any form of fanart creation, because it's reality, in which we now live. Which, unfortunately, doesn't revolve around your opinion. More different fanart (even ai generated) - more popularity, more work for creator who work on the game. More recognition for them. Meanwhile you are trying to gatekeep me, new player who LOVE this game to bits, from sending cute chibi art generated by AI. Guess who damages the game more? And please stop thinking for other people. They might like that somebody who cannot draw, still love their character and try to make some meme with the source that they possess. That`s all I want to say. I cannot rewire your understanding through the 10 minutes chat. If officials decide to ban AI pics here, I will delete it and will not post it ever. If not, it will remain your gatekeeping opinion.

[pine ember]

myes what about the fact that whe looks about to hug mythag uni? does that mean she likes hugs? could she be aa good match with Vortice? may I have a hug? so many questions

[desert siren]

Plz, I've expressed my point. It may be sure for you to send AI work, but I think you should at least indicate that this is AI. Although I don't like AI works , I don't think my previous speakings have attacked you. I don't know how you understand...
And I also don't want to see the discussion board of my favorite character filled with these debates about the rationality of AI works. If possible, let's focus on the character

[robust glade]

it seems she cares or is at least interest in mythag, we will see what role she will play in the new chapter

[pine ember]

divine Ultra is real

[dry finch]

The game's reputation already struggles due to it being associated with AI translation, so AI media in announcement posts really does not help

[balmy notch]

When somebody complain about chibi Arachne pls lemme know

[proper ridge]

lol that person just got a new AI Doll pfp
it’s clear things are not going through their minds

the lights are not all upstairs 🍵

[balmy notch]

sue me

[coral crane]

This was quite entertaining to read 😭

[proper ridge]

[balmy notch]

Really? 🥺

[warped helm]

Vile

[hasty jay]

In UGC fanart program, that have clearly stated that AI cannot be used.I think this reflects part of the official attitude. Of course I'd happy to see this kind of discussion in this game ; many other gaming communities are already filled with AI trash.

[proper ridge]

Endfield….

[rose vault]

all of these good points made just for the person to ignore it bcs they see it as a personal attack

truly amazing

[wraith parcel]

Man, we all love making argument and such

But hey, AI arts. Posting an AI art with prompt you created will already paint you in negative light anyway

Shoulda already know that its gonna happen lol

[thin estuary]

They allowed ai in endfield???

I loved that games art style

[balmy notch]

nah it's just you ignoring my points I made earlier because you imagine you are justice warrior

[broken light]

nah they dont allow ai art there not sure why endfield got mentioned

maybe the internet gets flooded by it but cant really do anything about that

[stone escarp]

Speaking of ai. Someone commented under Stix's video that the game used ai art :/

[broken light]

ah i didnt read about that yet

[stone escarp]

It's ok ai bubble is already blown

[broken light]

tbf sadly we wont be able to 100% tell if some artists cut corners by using some ai tools anymore

[stone escarp]

Nah I'm sure things will self correct

As long as there is pushback against it

[broken light]

also what is this comment referring to?

[stone escarp]

Stix video review back from ani

[proper ridge]

the Endfield reddit is filled with AI…

[thin estuary]

Typical men dominated gacha stuff

[wispy flame]

The devs use AI as a tool, you're using it as a medium to bypass effort. It doesn't seem you're going to budge on the topic. Though to keep fighting on it represents the thought that you've done nothing wrong. Ask your LLM to teach you how to draw maybe?

[weak gulch]

2 days ago, Arachne announcement. Yesterday, this illust. Are we gonna get something today?

[weak gulch]

I wonder which two character they are talking about?

[obtuse wedge]

💀love to see original artists struggle and get accused of ai nowadays so often while ai abusers defend themselves with zero consciousness how ironic. It’s just hard to imagine how people believe their llm generated stuff is a standalone, well-intentioned, harmless little content creation for the community and the artist

NOW GIVE ME THE KIT

[wispy flame]

did i miss a bit of lore involving her? people seemed hyped in an anticipated manor

[weak gulch]

Personally, I just love her ever since she was revealed in 2.0 trailer.

[stone escarp]

My condolences.

The small ai endmin and chipi stuff was cool. But when it gets pumped out at alarming rate I can't even watch it

[stone escarp]

Arachne kit tomorrow today, trust

[plush obsidian]

Please be deck manipulation, please be deck manipulation.

[weak gulch]

Would be in theme with her thread weaving and fate weaving characteristic.

[plush obsidian]

Clem like card effect multiplier based on the cost of the top card in draw pile. or somethin. God that would be rad

[weak gulch]

That would be amazing but let's dial back our expectation lol.

[potent spindle]

Here's a newer updated one from 40mins ago! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jekmb4uq4s4

[balmy notch]

I was like yeah I actually watched few videos from this guy on YT (I play wuwa), and than I looked at your avatar and was like wait this IS that guy from YT hhhhh😆

[potent spindle]

I meant to post my reply to THIS lmao whoops

[potent spindle]

Hey!! What's up though? haha

[silk copper]

dont watch the bottom feeding rats in any community, please

[stone escarp]

-# just don't look around the recent game news it's a battlefield, thanks again for showcasing it again tho

[plush obsidian]

Someone gives this man the CC role so he's not homeless after he makes an arc2 team and ends up wanting to talk about the game again.

[stark peak]

nice

[stone escarp]

Huh why are you white?