忘却前夜×沙耶之歌 联动预告┊Morimens × Saya No Uta Collab Preview

[rich owl]

I love it from begining to the end
begin with a dark situation with no escape and end with a dark situation with no escape

[waxen depot]

also I had guessed Saya off of the first teaser they dropped, and started streaming the game for a few buddies of mine as a surprise.

"Later tonight, I'll stream the game that Morimens is collabing with."

Imagine if I got it wrong though LOL

[rich owl]

I saw dandelion mentioned and instantly thought of Saya

[sonic zinc]

https://klipy.com/gifs/donald-duck-mickey-mouse-1

[rich owl]

she rly impacted me huh...

[waxen depot]

Thankfully the text on the first teaser was very familiar from when I had tested my download to make sure it worked.

The only part of Saya No Uta I still don't enjoy is the resolution of ||Yoh's fate. She should have been saved in the Apocalypse ending.||

[rain heron]

congrats on the 1k

[prisma umbra]

🎉 1k!

[remote ivy]

The code.

[prisma umbra]

thanks everybody for participating in this social experiment.....

[remote ivy]

1k meatbloobs

[waxen depot]

It would have been nice for that particular route to ||have Fuminori and Saya step in sooner since they were more ready for Koji. But I guess there were limitations at play there, or deadlines.||

[final rivet]

Code pls

[remote ivy]

No

[final rivet]

I’m deleting Leigh

[remote ivy]

Code please

[waxen depot]

Second favorite ending for me, and favorite for my friends was ||the hospital ending. Surprisingly wholesome, despite all that had occurred. I hope Saya continued to visit Fuminori.||

[rich owl]

my top 1 ending is fuminori dead ending

the friend eventually casted himself off the cliffside of suffering

my 14 yo brain think its deep kkk

[waxen depot]

Im trying to make sure anyone interested isn't spoiled

lol

[rich owl]

kek

[waxen depot]

||I adore how caring Saya is in the Dandelion ending. Utterly devoted to Fuminori, to the point she defies her own programming. Beautiful.||

It also gives you the most information of the 3 routes, so it feels the most "canon"

[rich owl]

yep

its definitely canon

-# D nuked the world sadly

[waxen depot]

It's still INSANE to me that this is the Guilty Crown artist btw

[cloud stirrup]

wtf y’all is arguing for

[waxen depot]

we're just appreciating Saya no Uta rn

the argument was hours ago

[rich owl]

when you were tagged it was about usual lolicon discourse

[sonic zinc]

channel reached 1000 posts ! we believe a compensation in gift code would be a good acknowledgment = w=

please sir

mister .. sir

[modest thorn]

Best you get is a traphase sticker, be thankful

[reef garnet]

700 of the posts are between 2 people 🙂

[rich owl]

Stand Proud, Saya X Morimens Collab Announcement

You're Engaging

[lament rivet]

FWIW I know it was a bit of a "I don't like this thing" point but being unhappy with the concept of the collab is OK

It's an early 2000s horror thing with deeply uncomfortable themes

[rich owl]

there is "this fiction scared meout"
then there is "you like this fiction you are a child predator"

quite a mental gymnastic

[lament rivet]

It's tricky. I've not read it, so I can't comment, and I'm also on principle not going to hunt down the original non-Steam release because it sounds like the changes are nothing but positives

(And I love cozy horror, not spoopy trauma horror)

[sonic zinc]

https://klipy.com/gifs/the-road-to-el-dorado-both

[prisma umbra]

its just a dream. the collab is not real

[rocky wharf]

LOLI-FEUD-SMDH

[lament rivet]

But from an ignorant position it sounds like the depiction of Saya as a kid is part of the horror and social commentary aspect of the work?

I am going to have to actually read the damn thing

[rich owl]

she popularized the cute girl outside hideous monster inside archetype

this archetype existed b4 but Saya played big impact in widespreading it

[modest thorn]

No one is forced to support it either, Saya is not for everyone nor was it meant to be (much like Morimens itself), the point of contention from what I saw was people throwing personal attacks at those who were showing their support. It just rings completely hollow imo while playing a game that one way or another takes inspo from it and the devs decide to pay homage to

[storm wind]

consume controversial media

get judged for it

fork found in kitchen

[modest thorn]

Literacy isn't that widespread, so point being that those who critique are now part of that same media sphere, nobody cares who insults who on a personal level

[storm wind]

lucky for you im an english teacher who studied literature

i love being literate and recognizing harmful stories

[rich owl]

then stop kids from reading those stories

instead of calling names to grown ass adults

🧱

[prime ermine]

Oh my gosh why is it so buzzing in here

[late torrent]

The year is 1955, Lolita just got released and people are upset

[prime ermine]

Okay we just time travel back to 1955

[modest thorn]

Why stop there, some people love burning books and would fit right into some periods

[storm wind]

yes lets put a character perceived as a child getting sa'd on the same level as burning books that oppose an ideology

marvelous argument

self report over self report

almost cant keep up with the paperwork

[modest thorn]

It's called prosecuting a thought crime, but maybe the one explaining it went into the pyre as well

In any case this whole thread only matters as far as the devs care and how it affects future collabs, the opinion of randoms on others' taste is irrelevant

So hopefully they stick to their vision

[storm wind]

📸 📸 📸

[lean merlin]

This place really gotta get nuked I can’t even lie

[rain heron]

do your thing, Firefist

[lean merlin]

This place going 6 feet UNDER

[last geyser]

sadly they might have to lock these threads in the future

[lean merlin]

Locking isn’t enough I need it erased

[gritty robin]

Oh hey, that's me.

Just uuh ... Anime form

I think the issue is you can't tell if it's a joke or not. So when something then later gets taken out of context it looks god awful.

[storm wind]

you couldnt waterboard this out of me

[gritty robin]

YOU made it? Awesome 💯

Truly a life ruining experience

[gritty robin]

Why would I?

[waxen depot]

It was great, I'll be forced to remember Saya No Uta for the rest of my life

[lean merlin]

I’m convinced like 80% of yall aren’t real humans

[gritty robin]

https://tenor.com/view/the-amazing-world-of-gumball-gumball-and-darwin-scissors-cutting-gif-25912997

[storm wind]

its just a fucking insane thing to admit in a public discord server thats it

[gritty robin]

Cause it's a video game discord server.

Also I like seeing people reactions

[waxen depot]

It's good at being horrifying, and made me feel sick to my stomach often. The endings, outside of one, are beautifully written works of tragedy.

[storm wind]

i think the correct reaction would be for a responsible moderator/admin to ban you

[tiny pollen]

have you tried reporting someone?

[sonic zinc]

https://klipy.com/gifs/baby-scared-4

[gritty robin]

Atleast I still got the game so it ain't the worst outcome

[river tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-throws-out-his-computer-gif-26050062

[modest thorn]

If it were up to me I'd start with banning the ones making criminal implications against the devs and players but alas, hopefully the devs have the sense to have given up on this place and don't actively endure it outside announcements/promos

[waxen depot]

My hopes for the collab are either:
-Saya
-Saya and Fuminori as one unit
-Fuminori with [Saya No Uta Spoilers] ||Saya minions/flesh slimes||
-[More spoilers] ||One of Saya's race, but not her||

[modest thorn]

I haven't played the game in like 7 years but wasn't fuminori kinda bland?

[gritty robin]

A dual unit would look cool.

[modest thorn]

Saya is the big brand so idk if anyone else would make sense

[storm wind]

theres a person above who straight up admitted that they are exposed to sexualized children on a regular basis in a way that theyre desensitized lmfao they also made a comment about "blowing their load" on saya with a bad taste joke, if you can even call it a joke

[waxen depot]

No, he's quite fascinating

[gritty robin]

Just don't know if it should be with fumi....

[modest thorn]

In what way? I do remember him not being standard VN mc tier but didn't particularly stand out either

[waxen depot]

All I know is that I definitely don't want to have Keeper intrude on Saya and Fuminori's 'relationship'.

[modest thorn]

Actually wouldn't the keeper not be able to see Saya's human form?

[waxen depot]

||Far too willing to accept and join in on atrocities and disgusted with everyone and everything.||

[modest thorn]

Oh yeah but I take that as part of him being mentally fucked, which you're right is interesting on itself

[waxen depot]

Ye ye

[waxen depot]

Theoretically, they might be able to. Also Nitroplus ||made her look like what Fuminori sees her as.||

[modest thorn]

Yeah I'm very curious about how they will handle that (if it is indeed Saya)

[waxen depot]

Only thing I'm hoping against is Renko or Koji as the 'awakeners'

they're way too boring.

Renko is outclassed by Katti in terms of design and personality, and her only claim to fame is ||liquid nitrogen|| and a gun.

[modest thorn]

Ngl I don't remember any of those people, maybe it says something

I imagine one of them is the female doctor

[waxen depot]

Renko is the doctor, and Koji is the ||second Main Character.||

[modest thorn]

Ok yeah, I could see the doctor being the awakener maybe

You could argue Saya is too similar to Lily if she ends up in chaos

[waxen depot]

The doctor is also lacking sauce

[modest thorn]

But it's a stretch imo

[waxen depot]

So that's my other reason for not wanting her

too normal, too plain, and not even particularly interesting

[modest thorn]

But it's not like fuminori stands out visually either, so as I said I'll be surprised if it's anyone but Saya, and most likely she will have human form with some story tie-in on her chapters that explains shit

Writers have some room to make it interesting too

[tiny pollen]

Her name's Ryoko, isn't it?

Not Renko

[modest thorn]

Yeah, close enough

[tiny pollen]

Young adult? She's 30, isn't she?

[modest thorn]

No clue but probably user error yeah

Cause for saya players that's basically a grandma

[tiny pollen]

tfw old man 👴

[modest thorn]

We getting there

[waxen depot]

older than that, actually

she's 40+

[tiny pollen]

Pretty sure that the game says that she's become "one of the top neurosurgeons at the young age of 30," didn't it? I played through the game the other day, so it's still pretty fresh in my mind.

[rich owl]

so delusional and vacuous to think fiction equal real child exploitations
welcome back, flares

[rich owl]

I've been there kek, she really is the 2nd coming of mr F

change bluewil to corpo and it fit to a T

[waxen depot]

she's 40+ because of stuff revealed later on

[digital oxide]

this is a weeeiirrrdd collab

from what ive heard about saya no uta im kinda icked 😰

[grand acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/reddit-dont-stop-running-little-reddit-dont-stop-running-little-reddit-don't-stop-running-little-reddit-gif-7725721871524721642

[gritty robin]

I get icks from icks

[digital oxide]

whats that supposed to mean

[torpid socket]

If you only know saya no uta from third party opinions and summaries, your understanding is severely lacking and you need to go through the whole game to properly grasp why it's held in such high regard.

[river tapir]

This thread is a cesspit just stick to the en channels

[storm wind]

i think your pfp being from made in abyss checks out with your opinions on saya no uta

[torpid socket]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

[storm wind]

nono it does

[digital oxide]

i mean what ive heard from the synopsis is strange enough for me to get the point

[rich owl]

friendly reminder that there's an archive indexxing anti like @storm wind getting arrested for pedophilia later
https://t.co/TseYRYUmAW

[jade seal]

Desperately trying to confuse herself from her real target, herself

[storm wind]

what are you even saying lmfao

[digital oxide]

anti? anti what??

[rich owl]

jsut read it bozo

[digital oxide]

sounds a bit like you're afraid to say it here

[jade seal]

Many pedo hunters don’t realize the one they’re the very person they’ve been pursuing

[storm wind]

i read made in abyss bcs the synopsis intruiged me but even before they go down in the abyss theres a scene of the main character being "punished" and naked

[honest stream]

its pretty hard to defend sexualising children without sounding like a weirdo

[storm wind]

while being a very much

underage girl

[honest stream]

the weird mouth toilet scene

[digital oxide]

wait seriously?? i was planning on reading it sometime

[storm wind]

yes

[digital oxide]

eeeeeyuck bro

[rich owl]

they don't even dare admit they're the real predator

[storm wind]

theres heavy critiques on the portrayal of the children

in that manga

[honest stream]

there was a scene in made in abyss where the toilet was alive and licked the mc's butt while she was doing her business

the mc btw

[rich owl]

sounds liek you're too chicken to read a link so I'll post some examples for you then

be grateful peasant

[undone flare]

[digital oxide]

talking like that isnt going to get anyone to agree with you or even listen to your point

#JustSayin!

[undone flare]

Wdf is even going on in here. I dont see why you are all having this conversation

[honest stream]

yeah you just sound like youre salty people dont like seeing minors sexualised at least the others tried to make a point

[undone flare]

[digital oxide]

i got too engrossed 😭 i think ill step away now

[honest stream]

this guy is just getting rly fkin uncomfortable with his arguments

[jade seal]

Huh, I thought ud bring up bonedrewd pp suction

[undone flare]

What guy

[honest stream]

this guy

[rich owl]

I thought you were accusing others for being pedo 💀

I only give exmaples of people liek you lot being arrested for pedophilia

if you can't even understand basic 1+1=2 like that then I have nothing else to say

[undone flare]

[honest stream]

"pedophilia bad" OH SO YOURE A PEDO is that guys stance on the matter

[digital oxide]

i totally forgot this conversation was originally about saya no uta lol

[undone flare]

Yall need to chill.

[rich owl]

because there are MANY such a case like this, pedophiles screaming pedophilia is bad

[digital oxide]

i was really surprised when i saw that name on the steam page ough

[honest stream]

so we shouldnt say pedophilia is bad

[undone flare]

Idc whether Saya is whatever you think. Just be glad that Saya no Uta is having some comeback in Morimens or something

Or just ignore it

Easy

[rich owl]

maybe tell other pedophiles to stop screaming pedophilia is bad

[undone flare]

[rich owl]

then you can virtue signaling without being suspected of being one you know?

[undone flare]

Wdf??

[honest stream]

yeah you see the problem

[jade seal]

Mutual prejudice be like

[rich owl]

https://archive.ph/Ia5ZH

ye there's a whole ass archive just to expose these pedo

[digital oxide]

we get it dude 😭

[jade seal]

If you’re not going to discuss content just take it somewhere else

[undone flare]

Just mute/block John Morimens cuz his name is ass anyway

[rich owl]

make sense

[undone flare]

Guy contribute nothing to the conversation and makes drama

[jade seal]

The enmity comes from both sides smh
Block each other and move on

[rich owl]

drama has been flaming for several days you clown

🚮

[jade seal]

Been consistently the instigator

[undone flare]

Could care less, just stop putting oil into the flame

Whatever drama there is, just let it cool down

[storm wind]

simply pointing out patterns

[rich owl]

what's the statistic

or archive

I need hard evidence

ofc you will turn a blind eye to evidence going against your narrative so none of your trollings matter

[rich owl]

how about staying out of this if you contribute nothing else

[dim spire]

Bro leave the brain rot alone he’s just trying to descalate

U not making it easy mate

[noble olive]

I would say lock this thread to mods but people outing themselves is good too

[dim spire]

I just doubt it will be handle nicely tho it took them ages, and Goya involvement last time to even kick out Glutton (a guy in here who knowingly flirted with an irl minors even after being repeatedly told that they’re a minor yes irl user, not fictional 2D)

And this time we got people muddying already murky water and slinging insults and accusations left right and centre

It will take them a while to untangle the branches

So to speak

[neon salmon]

if they really want to moderate they would lock this thread sooner and not let people fighting for over 1k comments

[dim spire]

True

[honest stream]

craux saw this but nothing has happened

they just let it go on

[dim spire]

the situation were already in muddy water with dev collabing with Saya no Uta, the line between approaching something as art and outright pedophilia are…grey and not black and white. this just make it more confusing and making the line blurrier

[noble olive]

The issue is this is a well known controversial game. No if and but about it. So emotions are high people who enjoy the game but not into saya, people who are “*into” saya 🤮 and people who dont want to see that in their game. Its a wild choice of a collab.

[dim spire]

Actually good point why does the dev not put out any statement yet?

[noble olive]

And we can already see from moderation that is already a 💩 situation. They need an urgent statement asap

[dim spire]

Hi @flint gulch @hazy chasm can we get an official statement on the situation of Saya no Uta collaboration?

[noble olive]

Like yesterday please

[dim spire]

There has been some concerns raise by some members of the discord about pedophilia.

And people are fighting and muddying the water around here

Moderator is just Craux

One person

I would like an official statement from the BIAV company regarding these concerns thank you

[noble olive]

Like how did they think they will get away with it. Like honestly take the pedo shit aside. The game is basically banned in cn from what i remember, its an eroge so app store already on the edge

[honest stream]

its an actual eroge?

sheesh

[noble olive]

Yes

[noble olive]

With dark themes we talking consent out of the window, body modification and lolis looking maximum 11-12 y/o

Also how will they fucking implement saya??? Because you only see her human form because of an experimental surgery

[dim spire]

They will make something up

Is just how it goes

[honest stream]

https://tenor.com/view/made-it-up-not-true-gif-25155838

[noble olive]

Then they already pissed the fans of the game

Who are they trying to appease here

[dim spire]

Saya human form is much more recognisable and marketable than a meat blob

[wise tulip]

There are some ways they could make it work

we'd have to see how they write it though

[dim spire]

Yeah let’s see how they handle it

Is dedicated situation as is

[wise tulip]

||Saya later learns how to brain modify people into seeing her as human herself||

[dim spire]

Everyone on thin ice

[noble olive]

Like its already a shit show so my confidence is already in the negatives

[noble olive]

Yes but they see the world as gore

[neon salmon]

you guys forgot about 1 thing

Pickman eyes can see the truth

[noble olive]

Yeah so he will see her as a monster

[wise tulip]

Who's to say through the event we don't get meat vision

[neon salmon]

they just need to make some bullsh1t with Pickman to justify that design

[rich owl]

Keeper will awake Saya into her loli form

[dim spire]

I doubt we will see the meat version in art form probably just some allusions or hints

[neon salmon]

Pickman is also not someone that can’t handle eldritch true form

he will be fine anw

[wise tulip]

Yeah but man I wish

I found the backgrounds in the game to be pretty interesting

it's a cool blend of drawing and 3d? I think?

[neon salmon]

if they dare to give Saya a new original Morimens design that incorporates her real form in it then might be the collab is not that hopeless

but I doubt it

[rich owl]

its nitro+ they use 3DCG heavily

[neon salmon]

the fact that they still let people fight means they don’t want to lose both sides of their customers

so it’s whatever now

[digital oxide]

ok im glad to see other people share my thoughts

[torpid socket]

Why are people only choosing to view the Collab from the point of it being a controversial character rather than the full premises of the IP?

SNU is a tragic love story between a extra dimension entity and a man with a brain injury.

When Fuminori (the MC)
Had the brain surgery he could only see the world through a lemse of gore and disgust.

Saya, is just that, an entity who's physical form is literally that of an horrific gore that'll make any normal person freak out.
It's mentioned in the game.

But because of Fuminori's brain injury he saw her as the exact opposite; which is a pure being. And what's considered the purest thing in the world?: Children.

He didn't choose what Say would look like to him. Only his understanding of the world made her appear that way.

You guys really need to read through the whole story of SNU to have a solid understanding of what it really is.

[rich owl]

I hope the boomer going into this server, see the normies, then noped out of the game and spread bad rep

[neon salmon]

[teal lichen]

We need alien Saya

[rich owl]

bcuz they carea bout virtue signaling more

[honest stream]

because no matter what the controversial character is part of the ip

and is the literal mascot for the ip

the game is named after her

[noble olive]

No because saya design could have been a clown emoji but they picked a loli form at the end of the day. The issue people are having is the drawn cp.

[honest stream]

its not a small little side character its the character the entire ip was founded on

[dim spire]

Oh I have no doubt there are lore buff here who read it and appreciate it as an art and not the underage sex, rape bit. I’ve even been told the author didn’t glorify the rape scene so that’s good I’ll leave the story discussion to them

[torpid socket]

Yes, but it wouldn't have made sense in the game's narrative.

[noble olive]

Explain please

[wise tulip]

I somewhat agree with you but it's a controversial topic so people are going to be sensitive about it (and others are going to be particularly annoying about others being sensitive about it)

[honest stream]

b-but saying pedophilia bad makes you a pedo!

[noble olive]

Because saya could have looked like fumis gf

But they picked a loli design

[dim spire]

But it just a bit hard when people make borderline nsfw remarks to minors and then hide under the excuse of appreciating the game as art as they clearly appreciate one aspect of the story in particular and I can say it ain’t the gore or the story

[dim spire]

The original author barely disguises fetish yes

[neon salmon]

hurling insults to both sides is not the answer
both sides aren’t convinced of each other points anw
and the fact that this thread is now over 1k3 comments is proof that a thread lock is needed

[dim spire]

Or we can also blame it on Fumi he is romantically attracted to Saya pure form after all

[rich owl]

or maybe

the participants just need to regulate themselves

[honest stream]

its really fucking demeaning when people are rightly disgusted at a game that apparently has straight nsfw scenes of the minor character and have their entire anger dumbed down to "oh but they are just dumb virtue signallers"

[wise tulip]

It's a horror game, personally I view it more as a sign of how protag dude may have had darker sides to himself before being meat vision mind fucked, but the contrast between pure saya and disgusting world is a strong visual.

[honest stream]

LIKE WHAT THE FUCK

[rich owl]

@undone flare offerred S tier solution so I blocked all eyesores

[dim spire]

Who? Saya no Uta reader? Morimens players?

[honest stream]

how fucking nsfw is saya no uta to begin with

[torpid socket]

Saya is an entity from another dimension who looks utterly disgusting and repulsive to the normal human lense. But because of the MC having the brain injury that made everything that he considered beautiful and normal inverted into endless gore. So was Saya's appearance.

Gore is generally considered 18+ material. And considering that Saya's real appearance would put her in that category, it only made sense that she would be seen as the most anti 18+ thing in the world. Which is literally a child by the MC's understanding because there's nothing attractive or gory about them.

[dim spire]

I didn’t come here and play this game for promise of underage shit I got here and became invested because morimens have great combat and tasteful fanservice (Thais best girl btw fight me) that adhere to source material

[wise tulip]

There a few short but fully explicit scenes

[dim spire]

Oh and great art design btw Sanga legs fusing to corals is 10/10

[honest stream]

so to make the game not 18+ they made the star character a child to make it not 18+ and then feature them in 18+ scenes?

[molten quartz]

explicit, fully illustrated sex scenes

[noble olive]

Im sorry the fuq ?? He fucked saya ? The fucking neighbor raped saya. Its an amazing story ruined by CP. because they wanted the loli design nothing more nothing less.

[honest stream]

holy fucking shit

[dim spire]

Fully Illustrated?!

[wise tulip]

It wasn't to make it not 18+, it's a contrast

[dim spire]

Fuck

[molten quartz]

FULLY illustrated

[dim spire]

Sorry excuse the swearing

[molten quartz]

[torpid socket]

Dude... Did you even read the source material?

[molten quartz]

not hinted at or tastefully censored

[dim spire]

I don’t need to

[noble olive]

No no

Its fully explicit

[dim spire]

They collabing with morimens I am morimens player

[molten quartz]

like actual and fully explicit, that's why people have an issue with it

[noble olive]

Like fullllly

[honest stream]

no because i dont wanna see that material

[torpid socket]

Makes sense

[digital oxide]

what???

[honest stream]

what the shit

[torpid socket]

You can find the censored version on youtube

[molten quartz]

yeah you can probably see why it's a very contentious topic now

[dim spire]

I get to be concerns with morimens state of game like when dev revamp mechanics or some aspect is underused

[molten quartz]

[digital oxide]

i don't think i want to 😭🥀

[dim spire]

And I can tell u it’s not a good look rn

[jade seal]

I'm not a fan tbh, framing saya collab as the crux of the problem
I'v nvr been into politicization of art

[dim spire]

Hence need for dev statement

[wise tulip]

They aren't gonna do the tango in Morimens lol

[honest stream]

i think its the association thats the bad thing and possibly bringing sayas fanbase into morimens

we already see what happened to the ba community i dont want any of that type of shit in morimens

[digital oxide]

ba?

[noble olive]

Ba?

[honest stream]

blue archive

[noble olive]

What collab?

[jade seal]

Whats your perception of saya fan base?

[torpid socket]

Saya's fanbase are reasonable people who appreciate Urobuchi's style of work

[honest stream]

no just referring to the blue archive community and its problems...

[noble olive]

Aha

[torpid socket]

Blue archive? I don't know enough about that to make any solid opinions

[digital oxide]

well the community was bound to turn out bad considering what the game entails

[honest stream]

hey man the games an eroge i cant trust every fan to not be weird about it

[wise tulip]

I don't know the modern Saya fandom myself, it's an old as hell game so

[torpid socket]

Understandable

[dim spire]

Again to elaborate and clarify: there are some great and educated people here they appreciate saya no Uta for its art. But u know the story a bad apple spoils the whole lot and saying borderline nsfw remarks and hiding it under appreciating saya no Uta as a work of art when they appreciate it for the nsfw underage, rape, etc and not the gore or story it self

[honest stream]

search up some of the characters and community memes and youll see the problem ba is the absolute worst of this stuff

[noble olive]

Well said.

[honest stream]

also they didnt have to illustrate that type of shit anyway

why would they fucking do that

[tiny pollen]

A lot of VN readers consider Saya no Uta "baby's first visual novel." It's short, sweet, has cool lore, and hits like a truck. That's the draw.

[wise tulip]

Because it's fictional horror also old VNs needed R18 content or they typically weren't allowed to release

[noble olive]

People will justify because the corruption of perceived innocence like adult women cant be innocent. At the end of the day its loli 💩

[torpid socket]

It was a different time, and it was used as a narrative plot to showcase the MCs mental decline after the car crash leading to the brain injury

[digital oxide]

gets more sales

[honest stream]

this aint like 500 years ago or something

[honest stream]

yeah id buy that

bad publicity stunt or whatever

[noble olive]

Lolis were considered bad for like a long time before that game was even released

[dim spire]

Author barely disguises fetish mixed with good writing or so I’m told it’s top chart before so the story must be good. It attracted the book and story nerds. It also attracted the other kind of audience as well tho 🤮

[noble olive]

Also saya dialogue switching between child like and teen to adult is fucking weird

[honest stream]

LOOK OUR GAME FEATURES FULLY DRAWN SCENES OF THIS CHILD IN NSFW SCENARIOS wtfffffffffffff

[dim spire]

But yeah aside from the nsfw bit I’m told saya no Uta is rather good

[torpid socket]

You guys are missing the point. SNU is a tragic love story about two beings being completely isolated in a world that isn't for them.

[noble olive]

Oh no not just drawns scenes , she acts like an actual child with her misunderstanding of love as pure and needed for procreation and her innocence of doing horrid things

[honest stream]

youre asking me to ignore a pretty massive fucking red flag here

[noble olive]

You can put a diamond ring in a box but once you wrap it in 💩. No one will take about the diamond ring

[wise tulip]

I don't think she's innocent of doing horrid things, I'd actually say she's rather evil by human standards herself

[tiny pollen]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: horror is meant to make you feel uncomfortable. Saya made me feel uncomfortable. That's why I consume horror.

[noble olive]

But she isnt human she is a child in her species terms

[honest stream]

but they didnt have to draw the scenes out?

[torpid socket]

I'm not asking you to ignore anything, I'm asking you to broaden your horizons and try to understand from the original artists perspective of what SNU really is beyond a few panels of uncomfortable art.

[jade seal]

This is a shitshow, bunch of ppl who has no interest in engaging with piece of media wants to justify their witch-hunt against imaginary enemies that for the most part only exist in their head

[dim spire]

[tiny pollen]

It's a visual novel, man

[noble olive]

Its cp art

[torpid socket]

Technically she is a child. Or to be more accurate a Seed meant to takeover other planets.

[honest stream]

so they had to draw a child sex scene

okay i think im done here

[dim spire]

Sorry guys things a mess and dev staying suspiciously silent

Cool down

[noble olive]

Yeah like defending the art is wild

[honest stream]

yeah my problem here rn isnt the story

its that they just drew that shit?

damn man

[torpid socket]

Those scenes are meant to make readers uncomfortable and show the MCs mental decline and separation from.his prior morals. He literally tries to deny Saya everything time she made advances until one day he caved in.

[molten quartz]

two things can both be true and mutually coexist at the same time:

• the novel Lolita can be a literary work with artistic value which tackles concerning themes of child exploitation and deserves critical analysis
• known pedophile and criminal Jeffrey Epstein had an extreme obsession with the novel and kept copies of it by his bedside

[noble olive]

They did many things to make the reader uncomfortable. Cp wasnt needed

[molten quartz]

[wise tulip]

She's at age to procreate in her species (and is actually late due to feeling a need to romance instead of just breed like her siblings), so I dunno if she qualifies as one in her species either

[molten quartz]

that's all i'll say on the matter

[honest stream]

yeah they sure succeeded in that i bet

[dim spire]

Lens why are u so sane rn? pls take me with you

[digital oxide]

point is im not very eager to see a sexualized child featured in one of my favorite gacha games

[noble olive]

Yes but lolita was famously known to be written from the perspective of the criminal and he is biased witness and he is treated like shit. The mc in saya tho is rewarded in the true ending by love of saya

[dim spire]

Also have a point

Both sides have points

Can we let it go now?

Just wait for dev people

[tiny pollen]

Fuminori's descent is never shown to be a good thing. Basically, in that ending, the villains win.

[torpid socket]

Bruh... How come you can enjoy morimens but not the depth behind SNU collab.

She is literally an eldrich entity without the inverted world filter of the MCs broken mind

[dim spire]

Instead of arguing endlessly

GUYS

ENOUGH

[tiny pollen]

shut up, mom

[dim spire]

No one here will change their minds

[digital oxide]

brother i could not care less about the intricacies of the lore at the moment i just dont want to see allat

[dim spire]

Thanks brats

[digital oxide]

this conversation is getting nowhere

im surprised theres been no dev statement yet?

[dim spire]

Save your breath for when dev and mods come knocking and asking for details

[dim spire]

That’s the issue

[noble olive]

Oh no nono. He is written far too generously. Him saving saya is written like a heroic act. At the end of the day say no uta is cp art with a nice story. No one will focus on the story if it has cp

[torpid socket]

No, nobody wins in SNU, the MC lost his morality. Saya took over the world and "died".

The other characters died.
Nobody wins in SNU.

[noble olive]

And im done here now

[jade seal]

Sit it out, ppl are literally responding to something you instigatef

[wise tulip]

I think the only way I can help people understand is that, not everyone views fiction with the severity of reality. If you view anything on the table for art then it's disturbing but not criminal. It's a difficult topic because it's a line that people are (understandably) sensitive about, and I hope people can try to understand that instead of tearing each others heads off

[dim spire]

no cool your jets and quit slinging insults and accusations I wasn’t even here when they first made the announcement in the comment section until there’s 1k+ msg

[torpid socket]

Wait, so you're not one of the people who've actually spent time doing research on which media inspired certain characters or plot points in the game?

[dim spire]

Now calm down

Go @ Goya or dev instead

[honest stream]

and our concern for the topic is dumbed down and beaten into just being virtue signalling and social justice warriors

[jade seal]

U added a NC fuel tho
What kind of statement are u looking from the dev anyway
And how is that going to change things

[dim spire]

Whirli it’s okay leave it or dm Light

[honest stream]

probably a statement on the lack of statements regarding the situation

[dim spire]

You leave it

[noble olive]

Honestly dont bother. These people wont get it or will twist their words enough to infuriate into further arguments

[wise tulip]

Yeah I think the other dude was annoying as well, but Dendy and Vaish have been more respectful about it (I think I didn't watch this whole thread)

[dim spire]

By that metric You also added fuel and is not doing anything to calm this fire down

Now calm down

Go dm dev

[honest stream]

yeah no its mostly the john morimens dude that was being an outright prick

[jade seal]

What demands devs statement?

[dim spire]

U can join me @jade seal and help deescalate the situation or make more a mess

Now help me

[honest stream]

its pretty weird that no moderation has been taken at all so far

[dim spire]

Guys no

[noble olive]

Red flag city

[dim spire]

Just stop

[jade seal]

Every de-escalation is another form of escalation bcz it only ends up riling the other side further

[dim spire]

@hazy chasm @flint gulch <@&1166257943742787615> please just lock this damn discussion

[wise tulip]

I appreciate your efforts but it's not really going to go anywhere by just repeating the same thing, just gotta wait for people to tire themselves out

[modest thorn]

Just mute the channel if it bothers you, the pvp is fun for some

[digital oxide]

pvp??? 😭

[torpid socket]

Won't it leak into the common chat if that happens?

[dim spire]

It already did before they announced it

[honest stream]

surprisingly barely

[wise tulip]

I think it's fine for people to discuss it I just hope people can be a bit more understanding

discord is made for communication after all

[dim spire]

Everyone hot headed rn

[jade seal]

Projection

[dim spire]

Take a time out

[noble olive]

Its a sensitive topic there is no understanding both side are heated and the silence is deafening from the devs

[jade seal]

I'v been nothing but chill

[dim spire]

Stop slinging insult

[dim spire]

U don’t know me I don’t know u

[modest thorn]

Some people forget the devs are the ones who chose the collab

[torpid socket]

It's a shame not many are.
I felt the same way they did when they learnt about SNU from summaries and third part opinions.

But I sat down and spent six hours reading through all of it just to understand the source material for what it really was.

[modest thorn]

If dark horror offends you so much I genuinely wonder how you end up in places like this

[jade seal]

[noble olive]

Sfw or nsfw version?

[neon salmon]

BIAV said they will collab with single games that are the inspiration of Morimens world

[digital oxide]

eh??

[neon salmon]

take this how you want

[wise tulip]

Well, I also think it's fine if people in the end can't stomach it as well and are simply too bothered by the disturbing aspects of it.

[jade seal]

Honestly moris been very tame except for few particular instances

[dim spire]

Thank you for having considerate for us

[neon salmon]

people should read Thais skin story, might be a surprise for some

[jade seal]

Feelsgoodman

[torpid socket]

I couldn't find the original NSFW version. Some of the scenes from the SFW version felt like the dialogue and writing were cut out. I can live without the panels but I would've liked the full length reading.

[dim spire]

Half the Morimens player just here for the gameplay man

[wise tulip]

I've heard Lily also had some inspiration, but I'm not sure how true it actually is

[honest stream]

dark horror and illustrated sex scenes featuring a 12 year old are 2 different things

[neon salmon]

Red the story is also a part of the game

[honest stream]

wtf is with all this acting like were not allowed to be disgusted by that fucking shit

[modest thorn]

Sounds like a horror scene to me

[dim spire]

Tell that to monchi and frost

[neon salmon]

you can’t deny it existence when it’s already in the game

[dim spire]

They won’t stop SKIPPING the bloody story!!!

[torpid socket]

The horror is that saya isn't a twelve year old human. She's an entity whose whole purpose is to take over other planets

[dim spire]

[modest thorn]

And your framing is just wrong if you've played the game

[honest stream]

so im just supposed to be okay witht hat

[noble olive]

You cant find it because its considered cp in most countries. One of the reasons why it was basically banned in cn. So how they getting to release this collab in cn

[digital oxide]

sounds like cp to me!

[honest stream]

im supposed to be okay with that content

[tiny pollen]

Yeah, I'll never understand this part. The lore and storytelling of Morimens is tied directly into the characters and their mechanics, so those people are missing out on half of the whole game.

[modest thorn]

Nope, just means the game aint for you, and you disagree with the collab and morimens' vision

[noble olive]

they either dont want to get it or hiding instead of saying it.

[noble olive]

Its cp

[honest stream]

thats what youre fucking saying im not allowed to play this fucking gacha game because i dont want to see that content

[modest thorn]

Ok so you think the devs are pedos, why are you still playing their game then

[noble olive]

Lol 🤡

[dim spire]

Ask monchi or Frost. Is just different preferences I guess? They here for the card game and strategy not the reading story type

I’m the inverse

I like reading

[neon salmon]

can we all apreciate Cathulhu and block eachother

[dim spire]

But hate the gameplay

Keep dying

Skill issue I know

[honest stream]

its not a vn its a deck building game some people just wanna have fun with that

[dim spire]

Dtide is a pain

Idk how people who 400+ do it

[tiny pollen]

There are literally VN segments for us to read, dude. Light would be sad to hear that people aren't reading their stories.

[torpid socket]

You can ask flares for lessons to help with your account. It's probably not as big of a skill issue as you suspect

[wise tulip]

Well I'd view more than just Flares

[dim spire]

Sure? I’ll keep that in mind when I’m in a bind

[neon salmon]

considering the current story quality keep digging deeper with no improvement
yeah I don’t think they care that much

[wise tulip]

It's a good idea to look around more than just one person

[modest thorn]

Literal kids die in the story, that's child torture and people are not ok with it, keep up

[neon salmon]

besides the portion of players that don’t read the story is pretty high

[wise tulip]

especially when Flares has rather strong biases at times

[honest stream]

and you can choose to ignore those and get right to the gameplay not everyone wants to sit down for a long time and read through a bunch of cutscenes thats just superiority complex youre not allowed to like this because you dont this this

[neon salmon]

most of the players that care about story already left anw

[honest stream]

im a better player than you because I read the story and you dont

[dim spire]

Kaly, Frost, and monchi are here I’ll consider asking them as well

[tiny pollen]

I'm not saying I'm superior for reading, man. I'm just saying that I don't get it. The story enhances the gameplay and the gameplay enhances the story.

[dim spire]

Especially for ultra

[wise tulip]

but yeah it just takes some time to develop a roster, gather pyramids, farm exp

• extras for ring bonuses

[honest stream]

and thats fine that you dont get why people would skip a story but you did exactly that to me saying im not allowed to dislike the fact that lily has her butt sticking out in her design because i didnt read some story chapter

[digital oxide]

wait, she does?

i havent looked too closely

[honest stream]

i cant have a fucking opinion on some character design because i didnt read the story

[dim spire]

We need more ways to get pyramids and the purple ball thing

[honest stream]

fuck right off

[dim spire]

That stuff is timegated as heck

[modest thorn]

She's literally half naked and the cover of the steam page

[dim spire]

[tiny pollen]

But I never said that you weren't allowed to dislike that? I was put off by it, too. Maybe you're thinking of something someone else said.

[honest stream]

look at her sprite and splash art

[wise tulip]

^

[digital oxide]

[wise tulip]

• the meatball things she uses

[wise tulip]

If you can fully do A3 you get all pyramids and chip into gnosis iirc?

[noble olive]

The thing is that they wont understand is …. Its fictional story. what ever reason the story make up the author chose to have her ass out. The author chose to have her like that.

[wise tulip]

but yes it's a slow process

[tiny pollen]

I'm in my 30s, so my initial reaction was, "Oh no! There's a kid freezing in the snow!" But then she became my favorite child character in the game. Wish they'd give her a new costume so that I can put her in proper clothes.

[honest stream]

i hope to god they give her new clothes

[modest thorn]

It's why I find it so funny that people started pearl clutching about saya, like sure this game is thematically a bit more tame and less explicit but they are very close in inspiration

[honest stream]

its weird shes the only baby in the game that has a design like that

[noble olive]

I like her gameplay sadly but its weird everytime. So me too

[digital oxide]

eugh. i do not support that either.

[noble olive]

Exactly the other kids are designed very well

[modest thorn]

Which again begs the question of how you end up in a horror game like this, unless you only care about the gameplay or the anime-coded scenes later in the story which is fine

[jade seal]

Morimens eos campaign😔

[tiny pollen]

Lily's design is meant to show that she's being neglected and experimented on, and not given proper clothing. The fact that she doesn't seem to care means she's endured tons of trauma and probably doesn't care anymore. And that's why she builds Endure stacks.

But yeah, costume when?

[jade seal]

Ye, she’s basically how human as lab rats are dressed

[honest stream]

they can show that in other ways like having her look more ragged or dirtier clothes i dont see what she has to have her ass stick out?

[digital oxide]

im here for the spooky eldritch shit not scantily dressed children, is it that hard to comprehend i dont want to see children like that ever? 😭

[noble olive]

This collab is gonna piss everyone off so i dont get why ppl are at eachothers throat This is a lose lose situation and nothing will save it. Just grab your popcorn and wait eos

[jade seal]

Or child’s in asylum

[honest stream]

can you provide me an actual proper reason for such a design choice?

[dim spire]

Pandering

Like how Ryker is a furry

[noble olive]

Artist choice

[modest thorn]

Personally I think that if you censor or hold back on horror it loses all its artistic value but to each their own

[torpid socket]

Also, her design is meant to bring out protective feeling in many players, especially after learning about what her mother did to her

[digital oxide]

horror can be tasteful

[honest stream]

yeah this type of shit is everywhere in gacha games its why theres no outcry about it

[noble olive]

You know light was like he needs to be a furry

[wise tulip]

Personally I think once it passes most people will just move on

[dim spire]

Fr?

[honest stream]

a pretty weird choice

[noble olive]

Amen 🙏🏼 give her a skin like last year

[jade seal]

It’s not that deep

[honest stream]

so if they took away the nsfw scenes of saya the game would have been nothing

[modest thorn]

It would lose shock value yes

[honest stream]

"oh no how could they have taken my child sex scenes from my video games OH the HORROR"

[modest thorn]

And it wouldnt have become as popular so we wouldnt be here

[digital oxide]

if a game cant stand on its own without shock value thats.. typically not a good thing?

[honest stream]

"i cant be immersed in my horror game without my CHILD SEX SCENES"

[modest thorn]

Talking about it

[dim spire]

The gore and story quality shouldn’t decrease too much I’ve heard the author is quite a good writer

[noble olive]

People outing themselves and im here with my 🍿

[modest thorn]

Again to each their own, if the game was safe and coded towards western PG values I wouldn't play it myself cause it's boring and theres a million alternatives

[noble olive]

He did madoka magica & psycho pass and thats disturbed ppl and no cp was involved

[honest stream]

if you wanna like the game sure or whatever but dont try to defend the child sex scenes?

[digital oxide]

"western" oh it stank in hereeee

[dim spire]

He did Madoka?! With their rad as witch design?! That madoka?!

[jade seal]

Duh

[dim spire]

Is that his choice or artist choice?

[molten quartz]

fate/zero too

[honest stream]

were all social justice warriors for not wanting this content i guess that means were invalid

[jade seal]

And psychopass among other things

[dim spire]

To make witch design in different style from rest of anime

[modest thorn]

You act like we're talking about some loli nukige game, you clearly havent played saya if you think that's the theme

[noble olive]

Oh these people love outing themselves its wild.

[digital oxide]

also if you wouldnt play saya for its well written story that means youre just there for the kiddie sex scenes which is certainly saying a lot

like youre not even being subtle about it

[modest thorn]

Spoilers, the whole point is that the MC is mentally ill and only he sees her as a child

[jade seal]

Ilyas not going to help this disc
Tbh, I’m sure black souls take inspiration from that one scene in fate zero

[honest stream]

bb-but my shock value

[noble olive]

He doesnt just see her as a child… she acts like a fucking child.

[tiny pollen]

I've seen Black Souls around, but haven't played it.

[modest thorn]

And I'm not trying to sell you the game, I thought it was ok. I'm just saying that if a game I play did things I morally disagree with I would just quit rather than cry about it

[dim spire]

Okay yeah if he did madoka and Fate Zero then the writing quality will not suffer even if we remove the CP aspect those show are good

Sorry emphasis: Good

Capital and bolded

[honest stream]

the discussion fucking shifted when we got told that there were illustrated sex scenes of a fucking child

THATS THE CRUX OF THE PROBLEM HERE

THEY DIDNT HAVE TO DO THAT

[jade seal]

What the fuck does that hav to do with Morimens collab

[modest thorn]

Rue the day a 23yo drawing on a game offends me so much

[tiny pollen]

Highly doubt those parts will ever appear in Morimens

[honest stream]

THE SEX IMPLIED WOULD HAVE BEEN DISTURBING ON ITS OWN THEY DIDNT HAVE TO SHOW IT

[dim spire]

Cuz we morimens player

[noble olive]

Oh highly detailed ones ive been told too so yeah these ppl are just outing themselves

[dim spire]

They just concern with the state of the game

And since they play the game they have a stake in it

Just like me and you

[honest stream]

AND WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SOME CRY BABIES FOR THIS BTW

[modest thorn]

Correct

[honest stream]

fucking unreal

[dim spire]

Rude

Anyway I’ll keep waiting for dev

[honest stream]

have fun with your child sex scenes and shock value

[wise tulip]

Like I've tried stating before, some people just don't view fiction as the same severity as reality. So to those people it's just something that adds to the horror and themes.

[noble olive]

They are a half ass troll. Its so funny its unreal how bad they are at it. Just call them the pedo they are and lets move on

[jade seal]

If only

[tiny pollen]

From what I can tell, some of you guys just don't understand why horror stories depict immoral actions in the first place.

[modest thorn]

You're completely justified btw, the game is obviously not for you, and you're probably even right it didn't need to be explicit, I'm just saying that it's a fact the game is how it is, and how it's been since it came out almost 3 decades ago, and it became a cultural phenomenon enough that the devs of the game you play now decide to homage it

If you don't agree with that you're justified but if it were me I'd just play something else

[dim spire]

Also got a point

[honest stream]

oh my poor child sex scenes the sjw's just dont understand your shock value

[dim spire]

Nah I’m too invested. I like the protagonist and doresain and Thais, their art subtle art design is unmatched

Sorry

[jade seal]

Live service games eh?
I do wish that Morimens dev would not prioritize what the player wants over their vision after this incident

[dim spire]

Gonna stick around a bit longer

[tiny pollen]

I'm just saying that maybe horror isn't for you, which is fine, but don't lash out at others who enjoy it. And I've never once typed "SJW" in this chat, don't put words in my mouth.

[jade seal]

Kekw

[honest stream]

my poor fucking child sex scenes

[tiny pollen]

you're the only one hyperfocused on them

[jade seal]

Yer getting ragebaited man

[dim spire]

Calm down whirli it’s fine

[honest stream]

i understand they had the scene for shock value but drawing them out was too much

[ionic dock]

Degenerate chat wtf

[honest stream]

BUT MY POOR CHILD SEX SCENES HOW COULD THE SJW'S DO THIS HOW COULD THEY TAKE THEM FROM MY VISUAL NOVEL

[tiny pollen]

but they weren't taken?

[molten quartz]

it is possible to enjoy Lovecraft-inspired works while not agreeing with Lovecraft or his work itself, in particular aspects such as his personal values and viewpoints in life, like his poetry and his cat

similarly, it is possible to enjoy a work that is inspired by saya no uta while not agreeing with saya no uta or its content itself

[honest stream]

you guys can enjoy saya no uta but its crazy that youre saying the illustrated sex scenes are a good thing

[digital oxide]

this!!!

[tiny pollen]

They are morally reprehensible, as I've said. But that's horror. It's mean to be horrific.

[honest stream]

MY SHOCK CONTENT

[wise tulip]

Imo one of the major themes of SnU is being a fucked up true love story of 2 lonely beings detached from society that drag each other into further evil (from humanity's perspective) despite everything in the way. If you're someone who doesn't view fiction as the same severity as reality then I think it's reasonable to see the design choice behind making Saya look young (it adds another layer of wrongness and the contrast of Saya and meat world).

Additionally, the sex scenes serve as a hint to Saya's true nature and goal, because we see her being strangely assertive in some aspects of it. Later on it serves as an example of Saya becoming more malicious, and how the protag has fully rejected humanity (possible the painter's attack shifting her view on humanity) the painter stuff was my most disliked part of the game though

Now, I don't think it's needed but it does effectively accomplish it's goal in the story

[jade seal]

I’m p sure sayas sexual desire inhibits her from pollinating, she’s not even ment to have it

[wise tulip]

Wasn't it her need for romance

[tiny pollen]

The way I read it, her consuming human books/romance/information/culture was what made her not want to do her "duty"

But even then she still had no fundamental knowledge of human morality

[jade seal]

Her romance came from reading stuff while she’s being raised by the dokuta

[wise tulip]

I understood it as all the romance stories she read made her "adapt" into not feeling she could procreate without "true love"

[tiny pollen]

Something like that, yeah

[wise tulip]

because that's "human" (but incorrectly romanticized because she learned from stories)

[modest thorn]

Imo it's more about the principle behind it, some people like raw unhindered stories that don't pull any punches, I'm sure there's a million stories like it that play it slightly more safe, but nobody cares or talks about them. For better or worse Saya became popular the way it is, and I don't see much value being outraged by it so many years after

[jade seal]

Uhuh, she added unnecessary prequirement

[tiny pollen]

And again, her alien origins kept her from functioning anywhere close to humanlike except with Fuminori, who was brought down to her level due to his brain injury

[golden sigil]

Are we still on the topic of people complaining about the SnU collab and pretending it's like BIAV collabing with hit Netflix movie 'Cuties'?

[tiny pollen]

Hopefully we're past that

[golden sigil]

Just checking in half-drunk.

[rich owl]

unironically if BIAV collab with that movie these people would actually glazing them

[jade seal]

It’s okay, some others are full on drunk

[wise tulip]

No please I'm trying to bring peace and understanding

[rich owl]

[wise tulip]

[tiny pollen]

[rich owl]

regardless of what u do its alrdy over 1 hrs

bringing peace and understanding is a pipe dream

[wise tulip]

Well it'll never be perfect

but I think it's an interesting topic, and helping others understand things is something I quite enjoy

[rich owl]

the people growing up with marvel slop and consuming cuties will never understand kkk

[golden sigil]

every time I see you type that last string of characters, my mind goes elsewhere in imagination

[wise tulip]

Well, you can't know that for sure, it's case by case with people

[golden sigil]

I understand what you mean, but unavoidably my mind goes to a certain organization

[wise tulip]

but what I do know for sure is being agressive tends to make everything worse

[rich owl]

tbh though I enjoy ur arguments, back then I don't think that deep of Saya

[wise tulip]

and is rather unpleasant

[rich owl]

kek

it's rly just a really fucked up story

Urobutcher was wild

[golden sigil]

I wouldn't put it too high up on 'fucked up story' charts for myself

[rich owl]

yeah

[jade seal]

Winkwink

[rich owl]

there's far worse shit out there

[golden sigil]

It's really just babby's first

[rich owl]

I'd consider Kikokugai more fucked

[wise tulip]

Well by the average person's standards

[rich owl]

really disgustingly unsettling ending

[jade seal]

Well, 20s Japan is a wild place

[golden sigil]

N+ gets pretty fucked up with their stories, and even without considering the lolicon aspects (which are in some)

[rich owl]

but mfw that man actually cooked a cyberpunk wuxia setting

😭 😭

how could one of the best setting ended up made by uro and its one of the heaviest story I've read

[modest thorn]

Yeah I gotta give it to mori for bringing attention to saya to normies who would've never heard about it otherwise

[rich owl]

[modest thorn]

The crashouts are very entertaining

[wise tulip]

No... more divisiveness.....

[rich owl]

honestly I'm praying for the normie and cuties enjoyer pissing off old timers joining the game

[wise tulip]

[modest thorn]

My b

[rich owl]

[golden sigil]

I just want cute anime girls

[rich owl]

we need to be more inclusive

[modest thorn]

Rotting ones?

[golden sigil]

depends on the girl

[wise tulip]

Anyways I had fun but I should probably do schoolwork and gacha dailies

[rich owl]

I just want more Cthulhu content

[storm wind]

"these normies" you guys must love 4chan

thats so awesome for you people

[golden sigil]

???

[rich owl]

we're only 2 chapters away from the finale and still no sight of real Cthulhu gooner...

[golden sigil]

I mean you can blanket people talking based on one person's comment if you want, I guess

[modest thorn]

I still havent done arc2, arc1 finale was a bit too disney for me

[rich owl]

btw arc 1 finale supposed to be arc 3

and the game will end for real afterward

[modest thorn]

Yea I heard

[rich owl]

yeah they really rushed

VERY HARD

urgh

[wise tulip]

It's flawed but I enjoyed it

[golden sigil]

I mean it was the threat of the game nearly dying

[rich owl]

ye so much was lost

arc 2 writing is much weaker

that lead writer must have burned herself out

[modest thorn]

It makes sense in context, but as a newer player it didn't hit

[rich owl]

...

[golden sigil]

and they were committed to finishing the story and making the game playable even after EOS

[wise tulip]

Yeah without the context I would've probably disliked it

[rich owl]

yep only when u play during that period would you love the ending

its rly hard to beat the EOS atmosphere

[wise tulip]

but knowing that it was on death's door made me appreciate them trying their best and saved it for me

ofc, for other's I can see why it doesn't LOL

[golden sigil]

I rather liked Arc 1's ending

[waxen depot]

....Made in Abyss is good though, theres a reason why its geld in such high regard and was outright Anime Of The Year when it came out.

[honest stream]

And yet those scenes exist

[tiny pollen]

And you don't have to engage with it if you don't want to

[modest thorn]

Round 56 🍿

[storm wind]

i havent seen the anime ive only read the manga idk if theres any differences etc

[rich owl]

they want to police other to feel good for themselves, left them be

[honest stream]

They animated the toilet scene

[rich owl]

♿

[honest stream]

I know that for sure

[jade seal]

The anime is p faithful to the mango

Though manga had some extra stuff at the afterwords

[modest thorn]

The only bad thing about MiA is that it attracts furries

Simple as

[neon salmon]

it’s over 1k8 comments now

[jade seal]

Oomph

[rich owl]

we're reaching 2k at this rate

[jade seal]

Therelll b two k by the end of this week

[jade seal]

Depending on how much time Ellie and whirli got

[storm wind]

also you can see a medium as good for worldbuilding/storytelling but still criticise the portrayal of children in it, if i remember correctly the questionable scenes got backlash

i have time off uni and my job rn i have a ton of time dw

👌

[tiny pollen]

oh, nice, I'm on vacation, too

[golden sigil]

This is pretty much the containment zone for discussion

[waxen depot]

the game isn't even banned in CN, there's a steam version of the game that's been put together without the eroge.

[jade seal]

Technically

[wise tulip]

okie for realsies I need to start being productive. Have fun not making progress despite being graced by all my glorious efforts

~~jk I don't view myself highly at all and have probably suck at writing, but wish y'all the best ~~

[jade seal]

There is American comic adaptation of saya with her aged up
I wouldn’t recommend but if anyone wants to it’s their choice

I miss lens

[tiny pollen]

wew, first time I've heard of that

[storm wind]

for what its worth i think you made some good arguments even if i disagree with them

[rich owl]

stand proud LolitaDressCon, you're strong

[waxen depot]

because you're supposed to be unsettled, especially by Fuminori's desperation for anybody who looks even remotely normal to be in his life.

[modest thorn]

I saw it shows some fuckass alien, killing all the suspense of her true form

Typical american tbf

[rich owl]

this talking point has been repeated 67 times btw

[jade seal]

Well may not be adaptation since I don’t know if they got the contract, a retelling of some sort probs

[rich owl]

I think melly is a bot

[jade seal]

He’s not

But I am

[honest stream]

She

Im female

[storm wind]

im not unsettled by it tho i just think its inappropriate

[jade seal]

Oh ure melly

I didn’t see the last part of your name

[honest stream]

Yeah its long

[jade seal]

Unnecessarily so

Squints

[honest stream]

Its fun that way

[modest thorn]

More like melty am I right

[rich owl]

kkk

[modest thorn]

Jk back to work 🫡

[rich owl]

only me and you now melty

[dim spire]

Alright I’m back

Damn glad to see server haven’t imploded

Nice

[honest stream]

The john guy is back to make everything worse

[dim spire]

I will check in again later on try not to EOS morimens during that time

[dim spire]

I still got dtide to procrastinate to

Alright see ya

[outer socket]

This argument could be made to anything, "it isn't real so why should it be problematic"

[honest stream]

Its better to not engage with them

Theyre just trying to make people angry

Those other guys are trying to make a genuine case for their beloved ip that guys just a fucking jackass

[rich owl]

imo if you let something unreal affecting you then you're problematic

[outer socket]

That's bad philosophy, some media can be problematic

It's why propaganda works

[outer socket]

I think they also want to say Ellie is a pdf but won't say it

[waxen depot]

Have you and I played alternate universe versions of the game?

Fuminori is never presented as good after a certain point in the story, and even before that point--he's written as unlikable but--at first--understandable considering his conditions.

[honest stream]

They also just amount it all to them being a social justice warrior so thats how you know theyre just here to swing their dick around

[rich owl]

this talking point, too, has been repeated 67 times

u might be talking to bots

[waxen depot]

it's...it's really easy to find and people point you towards the uncensored patch for the steam game...

[golden sigil]

I think this is rather bad faith considering the story is very much presented from the mindset of Fuminori for most of it, so any 'sense of morality' is coming from the perspective of a detached and immoral person

I've seen this perspective before, but the 'heartwarming and heroic moments' are written considering Fuminori sees it that way, since he's the lens the reader sees the story through for most of it

[jade seal]

They weren’t serious weren’t they?
I just took it as “rein yourself in” kind of message

[honest stream]

No theyre just swinging their dick around trying to make her angrier

Hes not here to try to make any sort of case theyre just a dick

You dont post that shit a bunch of times and call someone a social justice warrior and other ragebaity insults to rein someone in

And theyre still actively doing it

[waxen depot]

those scenes can be ignored and you can focus on the 10/10 story being told that's certain to make you weep in complex emotions.

[waxen depot]

better VA

less lolisho stuff

[honest stream]

And thats fine with me but dont try to justify and say they are good

[waxen depot]

also Kevin Penkin is a beautiful composer

[honest stream]

That was why i was flipping tf out

[waxen depot]

let me find my favorite track

[honest stream]

Theres no reason they should have been fully illustrated because to most people a child figure engaging in that act is shocking enough

[waxen depot]

https://youtu.be/mnRoh0lGxwM?si=hpvvBDkSbK8hid8Q

beautiful track.

[honest stream]

Actually showing it is overkill and saying that not showing it takes away from the game is a ridiculous take

[torpid socket]

Keven penkin is a goated composer

[waxen depot]

You'd likely be unsettled if you played it. The atmosphere is excellent in that game.

[honest stream]

They already expressed disgust at the content

They arent going to be unsettled

Theyre just going to be digusted

[jade seal]

It’s inflammatory… but it’s still a reaction towards Ellie’s inflammatory comment
I

[storm wind]

i think we have a fundamental disagreement about the emotions media like this invokes

[storm wind]

same with this

i couldnt ignore those scenes

[waxen depot]

I'm not asking you to play it. The fact of the matter is that it's very good at it's goal.

[honest stream]

Its the way they are acting generally

[storm wind]

and they actively ruined the story for me

[golden sigil]

Okay, but have you actually read SnU? Legitimate question.

You write it like you have tried to read it.

[storm wind]

that comment was about made in abyss

[golden sigil]

Oh, this is turning into a bit of web, my bad

[honest stream]

Alot of people dont get that shock and disgust doesnt equal horror

[storm wind]

i watched a bit of it trying to inform myself about the ip

[waxen depot]

It does. There's different types of horror.

[honest stream]

Yeah but execution matters like

Well

This for example

[waxen depot]

The scope of horror is too wide for you to dictate it based on your own personal experiences. Other people have different ways they're affected deeply by shock, disgust, etc.

[honest stream]

You may be unsettled at the nsfw scene but i will just feel disturbed and disgusted

[waxen depot]

I've played Saya, I enjoyed 90% of the execution. I felt sick to my stomach and filled with dread for everything outside of two endings.

[golden sigil]

I mean, horror is intentionally disturbing, have to be real lol

[honest stream]

But they still didnt have to draw it

[waxen depot]

Disturbed and Unsettled are synonyms.

[honest stream]

Would a black screen with text describing what plays out not also have been disturbing or did you need the graphic imagery to feel anything

[waxen depot]

I felt disturbed for most of Saya. I still enjoyed it because I don't feel that way often, and horror that doesn't rely on cheap jumpscares is valuable to me.

The graphic imagery enhanced my disgust and shock.

[jade seal]

Would saya feel less impactful as pure novel questinmark

[waxen depot]

The graphic imagery is also in a sketchy artstyle where linework wasn't even clean.

[golden sigil]

I think you miss the point of it being a fictional depiction of such a thing. The imagery and description are there to make it all the more disturbing.
Blood Meridian wouldn't be as fucked up of a book if we didn't have description of the disgusting slaughter, for example.

[rich owl]

they can only consume cozy horror

iirc they said that

[waxen depot]

less, yes

[rich owl]

sounds like an oxymoron but meh

[waxen depot]

Unless they decided to get incredibly graphic with wording

[jade seal]

Ic 😔

[waxen depot]

That may work

It's like Umineko Novel vs VN

The VN is infinitely better

the voice acting and music of visual novels are the main draw for me

[golden sigil]

They don't need to depict things in so much detail, but they do, because 1) it's legal, 2) artistic depiction does not make you a bad person, 3) the person intended to experience the work gets the message more thoroughly expressed to them by the depth of showing the disturbing aspects

[waxen depot]

Audiodrama's are so cool, I wish we west folk got more of them from JP.

"Drama CD's"

All right, it's late. Have a good night folks. Please keep it civil and stop calling people who disagree with you criminals.

[golden sigil]

nini

[gritty robin]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-save-us-guy-praying-in-car-kpoptwt-stantwt-donald-trump-save-us-gif-15614229185854802474

Give me Saya character art ples

[rich owl]

please make it cute and funny

[ashen merlin]

I have no idea what Saya No Uta is, but glad people are happy?

[polar pike]

oh boy

everyone's real happy haha

Unfortunate that this discussion isn't being like, done on reddit, as it would probably give a boost on the algorithm, instead its just causing turmoil inside a little discord thread.

game needs all the publicity, good or bad

nah jk I dont care I just wanted @distant zephyr to work overtime

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1414370369888063530/1429952993008160848/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker_10.gif

[final rivet]

six seven!!!!

[polar pike]

dyss

[undone flare]

It's just unfortunate that, despite people having differences in opinion, they just need to accept it regardless if they want the collab or not, it's happening

Might as well just ignore it or roll the banner

Like how im ignoring the banner in favor for Arachne

[polar pike]

people are allowed to be distasteful, but they should always stray to be respectful in the end, If saya is aequor I'll riot and judge you for your crimes, if shes caro shes alright.

and yeah, I'm going for arachne regardless

the amount of ganging people suffer from having an opinion in this discord is kinda epic

fun to look at

but sheesh

[undone flare]

Kinda weird to have a conversation on tbf. SnU is a rather known franchise during its time especially in 2010-2013, treated positively.

Sure it has its moment with controversy that is similar to this

But ehhhhh, the story is taken positively so I understand BIAV want a collab with old generation game

Still nice to see BIAV's target of collab choice is something of old or dead

Even if it is gonna be rushed

Cuz they delayed arachne when they got the okay

[neon salmon]

I think they delayed Arachne bc of her new art

[undone flare]

Gonna have a third art

Imagine if Saya is Ultra

[polar pike]

I can't LARP about saya to make points on why its okay or not. I can surely ask chatgpt for summaries and opinions.

But its not ethical to go and have a discussion with everyone after it and blame them for liking it even if I'm told it conveys its writting in unethical ways.

The ethical landscape has changed a lot since then, when you purify your view, more rotten aspects of media/life show up to your own opinion.

While there are things that were never cool from the get go in what gets called out today, theres people who will get outraged for things that make no sense.

As in: Playing with my cat by rubbing his belly and making him really mad and keep doing so for entertainment; Is this really that bad? No, but there will always be someone frowning on it and saying "leave the cat alone. thats going too far"

This is not meant as a comparison to the topics in this thread, its meant to call out an adjacent feeling of "I think what you are doing is wrong vs I don't see it as wrong"

You can still be outraged, but it'll be a contention point obviously

it will always make a discussion

and its the hardest viewpoint to let go, especially when it hurt you in its core

im just doing a generalistic viewpoint since I did the mistake of reading through a lot

and I empathize with both parties

but obviously don't mesh with the fact it had to become such a big discussion

[undone flare]

I didn't read most of it lol

[polar pike]

because I know the loud ones always get what they want

in here*

[undone flare]

The only thing I was concerned is how some people were making the fire bigger for the sake of it

[polar pike]

yeah

absolutely.

[undone flare]

Like how John Morimens was doing it

Guy would NOT shut the fuck up

[polar pike]

there was hurling from both sides

thats why it really happened

no one let go in the end

[undone flare]

Lol

It happens when there are arguments

Especially on the internet