Covenant Rework Suggestion

[trim mesa]

Hello, everyone. Today I want to present some ideas for improving the variety and versatility of the old covenants, especially in relation to their current impact within the game. The goal of these suggestions is to make them feel more useful, interesting, and competitive compared to newer and future systems.

Deus Ex Machima
3Set: Realm Mastery +12
**6Set: **At the start of turn, the wearer increases their original Realm Mastery by 15%.
Every even Turn, gain 1 Arithmetica.

Twisted Twins: White
**3Set: **Death Resistance +16.8%
**6Set: **Even-numbered turn stars: add the wielder´s defense whit fleeting and exhaust to your hand, Increases the amount of shield and counter generated by the wielder´s by 30%.

Twisted Twins: Black
**3Set: **Crit. Rate +4.8%
**6Set: **Even-numbered turn stars: add the wielder´s strike whit fleeting and exhaust to your hand. When killing enemies, the wielder get 5% critical damage bonus for the exploration, up to 6 stacks.

Unstained Chronicle
3Set: Keyflare Regen Level +7.2
**6Set: **Team Unique: When your maximum team health falls below 50%, gain a temporary shield equal to 35% of your maximum team health. If this shield is broken, it heals 20% of your maximum team health. The effect can be reactivated after a 3-turn cooldown.

Returnal Line
3Set: Realm Mastery +12
**6Set: **When using Posse, gain 12% of the team's total Realm Mastery once per turn.
If the realm is Aequor, this effect changes:
When a Tentacle instance transforms into Raging Waves, there is a (50 + 0.25 × Team Realm Mastery)% chance to gain 1 permanent Tentacle.
If the chance exceeds 100%, gain 1 additional permanent Tentacle for every extra 100%.

Scarlet Embrace
3Set: Crit. Rate +4.8%
**6Set: **Unique Team: The wielder´s gains 5% temporary critical damage when dealing damage, or 15% temporary critical damage when hits are critical. This effect can only occur 3 times per turn.

Organic Form
**3set: **Black Yield +3.6%
**6Set: **Unique Team: At the start of exploration, increases the team's maximum health by 10%. For every 10 Black Yield Spent , increases the power and Aliemus generated by the wielder´s during exploration by 0.5%.

At the moment, I think these covenants are the ones that really need some love and improvement so that they fit in better with more teams and bring more variety to the game.

[sinful shuttle]

I do like the idea to update old covenants, but idk about some of the effect, they may be a bit to strong.
Like for this, does that mean that you gain 1 more aritmetica all the time? that is a bit too much + the extra effect
Or do you mean than the limit of the aritmetica you can store goes up by 1? as per the limit of 12 in the astral reign

plus, the exact description for the rm effect is a bit confusing

[trim mesa]

I agree, but it's just an idea. I feel that only at the beginning of the first shift would it be better.

[trim mesa]

Why does it confuse you? Tell me where, and I'll explain it to you.

[icy badger]

I have only one q. Where the fuck poison?

30% counter. What the reason use steppenwolf?

[trim mesa]

No more poison bye

I think poison really has many ways to stand out.

[trim mesa]

Most characters that cause this are based on damage boosts, amplified damage, solid damage such as Daffodil, Liz, and Nym with critical armament, and I definitely doubt they need more help after Xu's arrival.

[floral gust]

30% daff 24 damage buff

as V said, reworking cov why not, but these seem a lil broken

[sinful shuttle]

Maybe could be similar to the old one but more effective, like:
Gain 1 Arithmetica at the start of the battle and 1 more every 3th turn.
If you consume all the aritmetica during a turn, the Team RM is increased by 15% until the end of next turn.

[floral gust]

if realm mastery is above 500, Vortice comes in and hug keeper c:

[pale shard]

I really think it's silly to compare the current power of venom with that of counter, when the only viable counter variation is daffodil and 24, especially when most counter characters are defensive. I think the Covenant idea is great.

[trim mesa]

That sounds more reasonable.

[sinful shuttle]

this may not be too bad, is only on even turns, when you get 12% from rabbit,
I would reduce it to 26% and specify that it affect only Fixed Counter or Fixed Poison, so it's not a boost to damage based generations

[floral gust]

Retal issue is mostly the lack of recent awakeners. Sure Thais, Horla and GDoll use it a lil on the side but the last Counter-centrerd awakenr is Wanda... thats ages ago

[pale shard]

On the other side, I love how the Covenant of Mastery from Aequor has been improved.

[sinful shuttle]

You maybe wanted to write Attack and not Defense?
the wording make so you basically have a 60% increase to the final card damage if staked, that is a bit much.
But it could maybe be something like:
When killing enemies, the wielder get 5% critical damage bonus for the exploration, up to 6 stacks

[pale shard]

[trim mesa]

strike yeah , I lost that lol

[pale shard]

Don't you think that's a bit too specific? It would be better if it had a vertical impact on the characters. In that case, perhaps “Increases the carrier's counter and poison by 25%,” simply omitting the defensive part, although I think it's appropriate.

[sinful shuttle]

That is basically steppenwolf, but better

the suggestion is to be used on unit that are both defensive and produce the stacks

[pale shard]

I think that chapter rewards are only unlocked upon completion, and they are better than those in the store, so they should be.

[sinful shuttle]

you unocl the twins at chapter 2\3

is not really a big accomplisment

plus, the shop one actually cost you limited resources too

[icy badger]

Ch5/7/8 best covenants in game

[sinful shuttle]

like an alternative option for lily or wanda

[floral gust]

-# when you bury my ground until I sight

[sinful shuttle]

or someone that has big shield on demand that can keep for specific turns

[icy badger]

I forget about dr set But yes, another best covenant

[floral gust]

wait tf is ch5 then

[icy badger]

or ch4...

[pale shard]

Wow, this is a great way to make a functional Covenant.

[icy badger]

Any way Organic Form and Deus Ex need rework I don't remember last time when someone use this covenant

[trim mesa]

in the end, we remain at a middle ground

[floral gust]

organic I see Gdoll & Thais usage, for kickstart battles

[icy badger]

I mean you wanna stack DR not lose

[sinful shuttle]

This is interesting, but a bit separated from his Keyflare function, and a bit strong and tied to the max hp of the team.
Maybe it could be:
When using posse, gain a temporary shield, and heal, equal to 20% of the wielder Keylfare regen

[floral gust]

not if the aliem allows you to burst 1/2 turns earlier

(never used it either)

[sinful shuttle]

that is on acr 1, is pretty bad in acr 2

[icy badger]

Yes

Arc1 covenant but now we in arc2

[pale shard]

I still think it will remain mediocre because it has such simple values as hp% of the carrier. Similarly, lol organic consumes death resistance and has nothing to do with sigil yield.

[sinful shuttle]

A problem with this is that it literally self sustain or even print tentacles when you use red stance with a lot of rm.
It should probably get a 3 turn couldown, so it's also functional with divine.
With possible changes to the scaling if needed

[sinful shuttle]

is not %hp, is keyflare regen, so it can be used on keyflare bots with lowe CON, a normal build should be around 100+, so is 20 hp and 20 shield per posse use, it could be possibly be increased to 25%

[pale shard]

I agree, but you don't mention that the effect changes just like the original passive when it's aequor?

[sinful shuttle]

that is speciffically a change for the aqua part

I am a bit uncertain about the posse activation of the first par

[lapis mulch]

The perm tentacle change once again, gets too powerful because of how much RM vortice spams rn. Really placed returnal in a weird spot.

[sinful shuttle]

but in that context is only with a 3 turn couldown

[trim mesa]

Oh, the first paragraph is simple; it only activates when the kingdom is not Aequor, so that it continues to have versatility. but no broke

[lapis mulch]

Then it doesn't impact her gameplay much, except removing any negatives to her kit.

At the start you won't get more then 2 tentacles. And after the cooldown you'll just have +6 then the next 3 turn cycle.

[sinful shuttle]

is a bit of a wasted activation for ultra

[covert plinth]

cool idea, balance who

[sinful shuttle]

what it remove is the need to build more tentacles, but you loose the tentacle slaps in the meantime

[pale shard]

If you calculate correctly, you should have more than 400 mastery to obtain the second tentacle, and even then, the team should regenerate more than enough to withstand those three tentacles.

Too much balance needs to be broken @trim mesa

More tentacles

[trim mesa]

el balance es no saber redactar en ingles xd

🥀

[sinful shuttle]

Idk, some people do use this covs, idk if it needs total rewamp, maybe some qol, like securing that the first hit of the turn will be a critical hit, but with 1\3 critical damage

[trim mesa]

That's why I think it's a good limit to only activate once per turn. There's no abuse of posse or double activation of posse.

[pale shard]

Who actually uses this thing? I think that critical damage would be good for characters like Liz, Mouchette, maybe Tawil?

[sinful shuttle]

No, what i mean is that ultra use the RM only at the start of the turn for the chance of more Insight in hand, if you activate the boost with a posse, is compleatly wasted for them

[sinful shuttle]

mostly ryker, aurita, some times aigis and maybe a more supportive tawil

[covert plinth]

embrace has its niche of being a second skey cov, something that is not team specific so if a team can abuse it that’s pretty big for tide

[trim mesa]

I think the mastery effect of the Ultra realm is really bad. 😭

[pale shard]

Mmm something similar. Even though having arithmetic and card on one set would be strong, that percentage of Realm Mastery is very low compared to the other realms

I suppose it's understandable and simple

[sinful shuttle]

they should just make it a counter and not a random chance

[frosty hatch]

@trim mesa Your ideas are good. Would it be okay if I take a screenshot of this thread to share on Reddit?

[trim mesa]

ok

[frosty hatch]

This would be very strong in teams focused solely on mastery. I like the idea of there only being one Aequor who abuses the passive every 3 games with real relevance.

[lapis mulch]

Yeah I agree. I like most of these.

[frosty hatch]

The others will only have a dirty tentacle or nothing.

Like this

[frosty hatch]

I love this, that's all I'll say.

Go counter go

[frosty hatch]

This idea needs a change; gain one permanent arithmetic is abusive, especially with teams that spend a lot of resources.The second passive is fine, allowing a character with 200 or 300 mastery to gain 40-60 per turn. Maybe reducing the range to 15% or 10% would be better.

[sinful shuttle]

have you seen the other potential propositions?

[frosty hatch]

They seem decent, but they lose his original idea. I'll try to unify it so it remains strong but limited.
6-Piece Set: Every 4 turns, gain 1 Arithmetic Point. One time when an Arithmetic Point is consumed, the wearer gains 30% of their Mastery. This effect has a 2-turn cooldown.

Limited, but good

[sinful shuttle]

did you remove the initial one at the start?

[lapis mulch]

The conditional could be anything really. From card count played. To Arith used.

Like every 7 Arith used you gain 1 back

I feel like that's funny

Inevitably it's still somewhat hard to see someone picking 1 bonus arithmetica over other support bonuses. At least in my mind.

[sinful shuttle]

interesting, but it looses the tie to rm, that was still not present in the original, but you know

[frosty hatch]

The main stat matters the least in my opinion; we know it's +12 Mastery.

[sinful shuttle]

no, i mean the initial arithmetica at the start of the battle

[frosty hatch]

I think it fits much better with the idea of the rework. In the end, the covenant clearly seems more focused on the Mastery passive than on that Arithmetic point.

[sinful shuttle]

but would it be good enogh to see use?

could be nice for very long battles, but is not particularly performing for normal battles

[frosty hatch]

Honestly, I think it would be better than the current one. If you look at it, you could easily make it team-unique, which would allow the secondary effect to be improved since more than one character wouldn’t be able to use it. I also feel like the Mastery niche is just starting to become somewhat relevant, so something that pushes that further would be good.

[frosty hatch]

Yup

[frosty hatch]

I don’t really agree with this. Poison characters already have strong potential without much investment, so giving them more power would feel like favoritism while the counter archetype gets nothing. If anything, Gdoll “needs” her Overexalt, but that mostly benefits poison or premium teams.

[lapis mulch]

Is there an idea that would benefit non premium poison teams.

Get the old guys back into more modern action outside of the "if you invest they're good"

[trim mesa]

maybe 6-Piece Set: Every 2 turns, gain 1 Arithmetic Point. One time per turn when an Arithmetic Point is consumed, the wearer gains 15% of their Mastery realm.

[sinful shuttle]

but is this only when the wearer play one of his cards?

[frosty hatch]

That actually sounds reasonable. It’s still useful and not as boring to wait for.

[sinful shuttle]

if it is from any unit, the part that specify to use 1 arithmetica is practically irrelevant

[frosty hatch]

I think it’s just a connector. When any team member uses that Arithmetic point, you gain the Mastery. Although it might be better if it triggered when the character uses a card, but even then it would still be kind of irrelevant. You could just make it trigger when using a stance to gain that Mastery, and it would work in a similar way.

It’s just an easy way to gain Mastery. As the person above mentioned, it’s the first covenant in the game, so it doesn’t really need to be complex.

[sinful shuttle]

using a stance?

[sinful shuttle]

in that case, it could just be passive at the start of the turn, possibly before the rest, so even ultra can make use of it

[narrow rapids]

i kinda like some of the idea for Chronicled considering its quite under-use in this meta and reworking it would def broaden the choice

[frosty hatch]

Yup

Maybe you should phrase it the way you’re imagining it and see what she think.

[trim mesa]

I'm open to your ideas; they sound good.

[sinful shuttle]

If that is the last suggestion:
At the start of turn, the wearer increases their original Realm Mastery by 15%.
Every even Turn, gain 1 Arithmetica.

[frosty hatch]

Wow You got it.

[covert plinth]

is the 15% temp, or will we be getting infinite exponential rm scaling

[sinful shuttle]

i think the spirit is to stack it, but is not exponential

because is the orignal RM

[frosty hatch]

That’s the idea. Even if it might look broken, it really isn’t, at least based on my calculations. With 200 Mastery, 15% would be 30 Mastery per turn. This only adds to the Realm and doesn’t cause hyper-scaling — it will always stay at those 30 Mastery (15% of 200). So it’s simply +30 per turn, something useful and worthwhile.

[sinful shuttle]

not the extra one you get after

[left vigil]

@livid roost Are there any plans to add more Covenants in the future or rework the old ones?

[sudden cove]

Мне нравятся эти идеи, они лучше нынешних соглашений.

Тот, у которого есть щупальца, действительно хорош, он приносит пользу командам realm mastery и aequor.

Мне также нравится тот, который дает щиты выживания

[wheat delta]

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I like these ideas, they are better than current agreements.

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Lil poison bro | Poison 24

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The one with tentacles is really good, it benefits the realm mastery and aequor teams.

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Lil poison bro | Poison 24

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I also like the one that gives survival shields

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[icy badger]