Regarding the possible +12 Paywall

[supple briar]

Isnt like the only mandatory OE unit gDoll?

And maybe pollux

[half cedar]

the fact that OE like Pollux exists is enough proof

[neat delta]

In general, I don't want to say bad things about this studio, it's clear they are passionate people. But they have (admitted) history of bad budgeting and this murmurs about lincencing for collabs is, imo, another part of that.

[neat delta]

I mean, if you want to argue, her OE isn't 'mandatory' either. But it's such a big change. And many other characters, Pollux being a great example, are buffed heavily by their OE. Castor, with three Onyx right to his hand?

[supple briar]

Okay, we're getting wrapped up in the semantics here I feel.

I also think that OE is a fundamentally more polarising mechanic than AA and that its probably significantly easier to design AAs that are balanced than it is to design OEs that are balanced

[wraith silo]

I will agree that overexalt absolutely can be a big powerspike depending on the character, though I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that the power level of overexalt will be comparable to +12, given that the ones we've gotten so far seemed more about buffing their weak aspects and cards instead of further exploding their strength

[zenith shale]

Tbf i dont think limiteds are getting trash AAs like Aigis and GRamona though

[wraith silo]

I believe that was also literally stated in the explanation that it's more about giving weaker parts of the kit a chance to shine or just a chance not to be cut from the deck at first opportunity

[wraith silo]

That's the part we will have to see

[neat delta]

Exactly

[supple briar]

Welp, it's about 6 am so way too late for me to be awake so I'm off to bed, i think I've said my piece.

Good talking friends! Pleasure to hear your perspectives! Good night!

[wraith silo]

Right now we both have the example of the standard awakeners and lights explanation of the intention of the feature pointing in that direction, we will have to just see if it's hold up

Rest well Nightjar!

[agile arch]

AA patching up weaker parts of a kit only apply to characters released before AA

after AA its' ALWAYS safe to assume a part of their initial kit were cut off to shove into AA

[half cedar]

also not a very good look since now units like Doresain, Mouchette, Xu, GMurphy all have their main stat scaling in their dups

while with old units we have it in their base talents

[neat delta]

Yupp. It will be part of the design

[agile arch]

ye its impossible to prove that AA for future unit will be true addictions

bcuz each AA is unique

if its smt generic like +10

oh wait-

[zenith shale]

i agree thats a bit shitty

[wraith silo]

That very much depends if the AA will be made at awakener release or be considered after time has passed with the awakener being used

Think the simplest way to figure this out will be to take a closer look at the future +12 buffs and see how necessary they feel

[plucky lynx]

They want the money, they want you to splurge. They likely don't want to wait until a future rerun

[wraith silo]

Yes they want funding, which also includes not fully alienating their non-whales.

Making whaling worth it is as much as consideration as retaining the partial spenders, so if we are going of the angle they just want money, it would make even less sense to make +12 mandatory

[zenith shale]

They do have a point though, it doesn't make much sense for them to give a character AA after their banner is already gone

The question is whether AA will be an actual design consideration or something added on after the rest of the kit is finalized

[wraith silo]

Yep, that is something we will have to figure out

[agile arch]

ig if AA works like GBF's FLB that come way after a character debut then yes it can be considered an addiction to their kit

instead of their kit got gutted for AA

[lone rover]

It's based on the track record that they sucked at balancing.
And since they cant nerf units since the daffodil controversy, there will be issues down the line that they have no choice but to be "responsible" about it.

I believe in light but I know that BIAV and light are all human. They can never be perfect.

The mandatory part means that it will one day become impactful. Whether by intention or accident.

Most people are not saying that it is required to clear content tho.

[lone rover]

Absolutely

[agile arch]

its also the only promise I hope BIAV will never break bcuz ye the moment d tide pwc skyrocket to that point its over

[bronze quiver]

yeah . They bad at balance and even player suggest , they still dont want change it 🥴

[neat delta]

Lol, exactly. Ryker's talent is the best proof of that.

[agile bronze]

Not a gacha, or a game meant for asian audience by any means.

Ask Where winds meet how that went, they’re making absolute bank while only selling skins pretty much

Not the same « game » category, but ask how it went for snowbreak and others

I feel like at this point people would accept anything thrown their way. You guys aren’t ready for the future of this game lmao.

[fervent bane]

Barely spends a month playing the game
Acts like he somehow knows everything
Refuses to elaborate
Blocks people that don't fully agree with his takes

[long fractal]

Who?

[fervent bane]

The zealous Morimens fan above me

[long fractal]

Im stupid again

[wraith silo]

Eh, winds meet is an exception i would argue, as the game itself has already huge production value to get people invested enough. Negative comparison of a game doing that would be Duet Night Abyss. That game is seriously struggling with the cosmetic only system they have atm

[idle hearth]

WWM works because the game push you in every corner to interact with skins.
The game is designed with skins in mind

• You launch the game, there's a popup for the new released skin
• Some NPCs (pretty rare so far) have cash shop skins
• You're a solo player ? Too bad, your dailies and weeklies ask you to play online, interact with other people
  What happens when you go online ? You see all those pretty skins everywhere
  Everything is made to unconsciously push you to check the shop and maybe buy something because you saw XxxDarkSasukexxX with a beautiful skin

(and I also didn't talk about the 40k$ ship you can invite ppl to)

I don't think it'll works in Morimens if the game stay the way it is atm, like you don't have incentive to buy a skin imo

[fervent bane]

I'm not entirely sure why skins are even brought up in the first place, considering Light made it clear that they're already struggling with getting the actual content out on schedule
Cosmetics worth spending money on take time and budget to produce, and I very much doubt that delaying new characters and chapters in favour of releasing an exclusive skin at +12 would make players happy and willing to spend

[neat delta]

I think that's another thing that's annoying to people. This desire to make more money without putting it more effort. Slapping extra effect on +12 cost nothing - well, it can screw up game's balance. That's why so many people say they would be fine with skins, since that at least looks like something actually ADDED to a game, something of value to the player.

Of course I do agree that characters should take priority. At the same time, we hear about money needed for voice acting (okay, fair) and collabs ??? and sorry, I don't think it's the 'we can't' it's more like 'we have other priorities'

[agile bronze]

I ignore you because every single interaction I’ve had with you reinforces my way of thinking.
You’re an absolute clown whose opinion I do not value, hence the block I don’t waste time arguing on the internet with people you

It’s not been a month I’ve been playing but it’s alright, It’s not like you’ve only been uttering non sense since i’ve first seen any of your messages

Grow up

[fervent bane]

We've had one interaction before you blocked me, where I've asked why exactly you consider AA "the worst thing ever"

In case you forgot

[agile bronze]

You’ve been constantly trying to engage with me, you are a liar through and through lol

I only replied to you now, because it’s legitimately been the 10th time in a day you’ve tagged me.

And I won’t anymore, good riddance

[frosty hare]

just block and move on, don’t interact with trolls

[fervent bane]

I don't think he's trolling though, that's the thing
I believe that he's genuinely concerned about the game, but his approach to discussing the issues is just a bit peculiar

[frosty hare]

oh

hemmmmmm

[hybrid stirrup]

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[uncut fossil]

Also btw. If you just want to play the game but not bust your ass for not having perfect meta units. You just do alert 3-4s and still get the majority of the important rewards.

The absolute bare minimum for a player every d zone is the pyramid.

Getting the first batch of purple gnosis frags is the second breakpoint.

Past that it's just super old accounts since your hp and relic power is dictated by level.

Thank god hard mode of arc 2 gives more xp than the older hard modes in arc 1.

[hybrid stirrup]

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[uncut fossil]

I am only be getting my pure faves to the last 10 levels. (The purple gnosis requirements)

Everyone else will be getting only the normal pyramids

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[agile arch]

ur wrong
technically f2p only need to beat 325 then do whatever they want, I bricked my acc for over a year chasing a meme comp and still 400 by anni so at least, the game in the current state isn't that p2w

Light also promised he won't ramp up difficulty, so even tho I do had doubts on AA I'll accept it

if BIAV don't break that promise then its not over for them

or else...

[bronze quiver]

i dont mind AA bc i think that just a bonus for ppl whale or all in to their fav awaker . I just want they make good balance not just give them random useless SF and no change their kit .
Even with no AA ppl still can get 400 or even 425 and pvp have diff skill set ,dont count dupe .
They also promise wont increase diff and dont force you must have AA to clear story or daily content

[uncut fossil]

At the end of the day it's pointless to yapp about it like hens until we see the second wave of buffs.

Id suggest they add one or two of the first limited awakeners to see how it looks so they can gauge if it's too much by community standards

Maybe Tulu and 24

And then 1 of each realm standards

[bronze quiver]

aslo they can just give buff at P8 and increase effect at P12 or cut the buff 1/2 give to P8 and P12

[hybrid stirrup]

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[bronze quiver]

Then you pay to win wat ? PvP ? clear story ? or clear Dtide ?

[hybrid stirrup]

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[bronze quiver]

wat content in Morimens need p2w so need donate a house ?

[hybrid stirrup]

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[bronze quiver]

lol u said Mori is P2W game .

[hybrid stirrup]

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[bronze quiver]

Problem is u said Mori is P2W . And i just want to know which content in game is P2W and need donate at least 1 house to play it

[hybrid stirrup]

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[hybrid stirrup]

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[bronze quiver]

just answer the right question . No need talk to other game or MMO . U said Mori is P2W . Just tell me which content need P2W .

[hybrid stirrup]

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[bronze quiver]

so these content hard enough u need pay at least a house to clear ?

[hybrid stirrup]

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[agile arch]

no, a P2W game means the you LITERALLY have to shed ur $$$ or suffer, in those games F2P will take a lot more time and commitment compared to whales

which isn't the case for MRMS, this game is F2P

[hybrid stirrup]

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[agile arch]

there's 0 instance when u need to pay in order to clear content

P2W janai!

[uncut fossil]

The only thing paying does is speed up your account progress

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[agile arch]

btw the only thing u must pay upfront to play to begin with are paid games and arcade machines

MRMS fit neither its a gacha

like I said this game is F2P

[agile arch]

u can rewind time as well

which is faster than savescumming

[hybrid stirrup]

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[agile arch]

u clearly didn't played a P2W game

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[uncut fossil]

The turn rewind thing is just a dumb thing in my eyes. I even forget it exists in CZN

I just YOLO it or I start from turn 1 the battle

That's just my pref

[agile arch]

u rarely in the need of it unless sweating on a5 lol

or savecum doorstain ctit/dr trigger (tho idk if it actuall a thing or just a myth)

[uncut fossil]

Real ones are 300% crit dmg, 1% crit rate doursein

[agile arch]

-# and his exalt crit still fail to kill a mob

[bronze quiver]

Buff Ryker ❌
Buff Dore ❌
Use AA to buff them ✅

[lone pumice]

now that its gonna stay

the make or break is if they continue the tradition of it being rouse centered

give a chance to let light continue on his promise that it isnt a necessity, but the moment it just becomes a second passive is when no other pr can fix it and that everything they said will be a lie

[lone rover]

The reason i feel that way is in relation to both the dev's track record and what I've seen in other games.

I am concerned about AA becoming a second passive that it makes a character's kit unfinished.

It really does go back to the simple concept of, why gate a buff that can heavily impact how you'd play a character.

But now it is here to stay, I am taking light's word on how he'll take responsibility for if the balance breaks.

If a concern is real and needed clarification, then it isnt really fearmongering. This was just the tip of the iceberg crashing into the ship. One single update doesnt change a playerbase's view. It is cumulative.

I got the statement I asked for, I can now be cautiously optimistic about it.

[agile arch]

ultimately I care most about whether BIAV can still create fun kit or their creativities has dried up or not more than their balancing (which sucks)
even if they rip their base kit to make OE and AA major power boost if the core of new characters are fun & engaging to play I'll let it slip
also if they still keep d tide difficulty in check

with Xu release I'm positive that they can still make funny new chara