✅「Answered」Who Ryker's Designer pls come talk ?

[tall roost]

So from my last post and it has been locked .
"
Hi, the designer has evaluated Ryker based on the current overall evaluation and believes that the strength of Ryker after strengthening is sufficient, so no adjustments will be made at this time

Thank you very much for Keeper's suggestions on Ryker's design
"
Ryker's Designer pls come and talk .
You said Ryker streng is good enough after give him useless Soulforge buff ??
20% crit when max talent?
80% Black Sigil Yeild just for him self and only effect to his talent " Winner take all " , his SSR and SR wheel . And you need Ryker kill mob to get these sigil . LOL ?
500 Sigil to get 1 upgrade Chaotic Legacy and in last post Goya said "not necessarily obtained in themselves." LOL ?
All useless because his skill cant help him kill the mob !!!!
DId you bring Ryker and test run ?
At Chap 3 normal mob have 10k-30k hp(30k-110k hp at hard ) and how long Ryker can last hit mob to get his Sigil ??
Then what Ryker can do for end game content ?
After the Soulforge buff , how many ppl still use him or keep use other support awaker ?
Pls tell me Ryker streng now compare with other awaker
RYKER IS LIMITED AWAKER
RYKER IS LIMITED AWAKER
RYKER IS LIMITED AWAKER
<@&1166257943742787615>

[tall roost]

Who Ryker's Designer pls come talk ?

[silent orbit]

They said no. Let it go

[chilly sand]

ofc not
won’t let it go 🔥

[tall roost]

ofc wont let it go

[paper sigil]

Bump.

[high lichen]

Bump.

[ripe vale]

[tall roost]

<@&1166257943742787615>

[jaunty folio]

[chilly sand]

bump

[frosty oak]

Ok to be fair

Ryker needing to kill mob to get the benefits is really stupid

His not even designed to deal damage

[ripe vale]

[tall phoenix]

wait is this the gathering of ryker stand and simps

let me in!!!!!

[trail oriole]

free ryker! justice for ryker!!

[tall roost]

@merry frost <@&1166257943742787615>

[gritty plover]

Ok, can you make a concise list with clear evidence so we can try to push this issue?

i know that you wrote in the original post, but a better structured list could be easier to serve

[tall roost]

it's very clear .
Ryker is limited awaker that can help player get more Sigil and give support .
His talent help get more Sigil BUT it need Ryker kill mob to get Sigil and his skill cant help him do it .
He get buff when rerun banner but only give useless Soulforge buff .
20% crit ? Need max talent
80% Sigil yeild ? It's only effect to himself . Player still need Ryker last hit mob .
Get 500 Sigil for 1 upgrade his relic ?? Short run cant get . Long run mostly impossible to get if Ryker cant last hit and with ppl use Dream of Medicine , dont think about it .
With mid and end game content , where HP mob is high , It's really hard and waste time to try Ryker last hit mob .
With new P-Dive mode , we no longer need 8 relic so Ryker less use
Compare with other support awaker , even standard still have better buff and Soulforge than him .

[ripe vale]

Ryker exalt is rng but if you rolled and the result is 6 the payoff is not really worth ( Casiah did it better with out the rng )

Showdown have a very highcost while the dmg is isn't very much and it also need to crit to charge for the exalt ( which Casiah did it better )

The 80% sigil buff is only for Ryker need to kill the mobs or else its useless

[ripe vale]

the other dps can kill instanly the mob if the mob hp is around bellow 5k but most of the case Ryker's exalt wouldn't deal enough dmg to kill because the scaling only 150% ( 360% for Clem, 400% GMurphy )

The same goes to showdown, if you are rng and the result is 1 you cant kill the mob

but if the result is 6 you still cant kill it because the scaling only 180%

you cant focus on crit dmg or unexpected gain cant crit

[gritty plover]

just do a test, a normal d-tide at A1, 3 fights, 11 enemies, all killed by ryker, 129% sygil yield (full team sigil yield wheels), both ryker Wheels, just lv 1 soulforge, no medicament, no spending, only event options that can give sigils, result before the boss: 462.
Only way to get to 500 should be paying more than 50% of my hp to get 60 more.

Can confirm that, in normal conditions, 500 is not feasible, if not in super specific condition and\or VERY big investment, so yeah, is a bit of a wasted part of his kit

Considering that he is not even a full carry that is focused on killing all enemies, he is more so a utility dps

and even then, he need to build crit and damage and the team need to boost his damage and survivability to make him a proper carry, and to do that, you can't go full sigil yield in wheels and covs

[gritty plover]

Ok, i tried to push this issue to Light, we will see what he respond

[opaque oar]

With a higher soulforge level you'd hit 500

That's 40% Sigil Yield on Ryker

W1 stages are relatively short too, a 4th fight with the same setup would've pushed you past 500.

[frosty oak]

Still, it's strange that you are requiring a support to steal kills from the Carry to proc the passive when the enemy have like 14k hp and ryker only hitting for like 500

[opaque oar]

The 500 sigil target, in my mind, is a stretch goal to aim for in longer stages.

It shouldn't be something you chase after because honestly its not that good.

300 sigils unlocks all 3 relics already

And doesn't require bricking your team maxing sigil yield

[tall roost]

that problem i already posted in old post . For long map u can get enub 500 sigl with 5x Sigil but you need Ryker kill and noone use Dream of Medicine

[tall roost]

ugh . I alreafy talk with Light about that . But he said Designer dont want to change bc he think Ryker is strong enub ....

[frosty oak]

Ryker is indeed quite strong

[tall roost]

||in my bed||

[ripe vale]

Already did a test on longer stages a long time ago

Ryker E1 with +12 SSR Crit wheel with his SR wheel only gave you over 300 a little with soulforge 8

Problems came when you only passed the 300 if ryker killed the mob so still the required is so dumb

Reminding you that team sigil yield affected to Ryker talent so in normal condition to reach over 300 is quite hard

[gritty plover]

40% extra only on the passive, the passive is 25 sigil max, so a 40% more is only around 10 more

Plus, the point is that he has to secure the kills when he is a utility DPS with randomness in his kit, the 80% is, in reality, only 20 more sigil from the passive, if he kill, and the 500 mark is a bonus that can't be activated if it's a solo boss, a boss rush, a short stage, and even in long stages you have to have enough sigil yield to go for it and it will be present only for the final boss or just before.
Is just strange that he has such a restrictive talent, for a boost that is nice but not game breaking, at that point, just remove it if it could be used only with very high investment in very specific situations

[sacred turtle]

Cry about it. I hope the developers just remove Riker because of these stupid whines

[sacred turtle]

[gritty plover]

Is it a whine when is a valid complain on a pretty objective flaw in design?

I know that he is still good, but is still a strange and non useful addition to his kit that seems do to something, when in reality it almost never will

[sacred turtle]

In my opinion, this mutt shouldn't just lack a proper arc 2 talent, it shouldn't exist at all. So this counts as whining

[ripe vale]

the ragebait is very lack of braincells

[tall roost]

[rocky raft]

I saw a player played ryker quite well on d-tide 5-5

Although is full equipped ryker

[alpine breach]

Your two important points about Ryker—his design philosophy and understanding of his role—are correct. However, Ryker has already reached the top level among all awakeners in terms of furry baiting and pointless currency mechanics. We hope that, as an furry and pointless mechanic focused awaker, he should not be overly versatile on his own but should instead synergize with other awakeners to create fun choices.

-goya prob

[feral frigate]

Yeah yeah buff Ryker buff Ryker!!!

I don't even have him leveled

Y'all gotta be on my level first

He's lv 10

[alpine breach]

Shut the fuck up snow

[feral frigate]

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[ripe vale]

[paper sigil]

[sly plinth]

[severe silo]

Man i hate this character

can we just remove him from the game please

[slow gyro]

Doggy man

[paper sigil]

Reporting the Devs to PETA for doggo abuse

[slow gyro]

Got Ryker today

[wise iris]

To me, Ryker as a supportive awakener would be much better if he could maximize his ability on his own, instead of co-op with other Sigil awakeners. As a supporter already, it would be confusing if he needs his own supporter in the team, it’s rare there are more seats too. Even if we use Ryker as the main attacker, he still needs other Sigil awakened to active HIS talents, and this is weird. It’s would be nice if his abilities could be activated solely by HIS OWN. His talents now only work well when there are other Sigil awakeners in the team…

[red igloo]

omg are we starting a Ryker mega thread now?

xD

[gritty plover]

this was already present from a long time

[red igloo]

oh since November, oops

[tall roost]

longer than that . since they "buff" Ryker SF

[frosty oak]

[low mist]

lets be real they will probably slap another shitty buff for his +12 then call it a day

[tall roost]

[tall roost]

@merry frost
<@&1166257943742787615>

[tall roost]

even with new mode u can get 36 relic . Ryker still no use

[tall roost]

[trail oriole]

[chilly sand]

[chilly sand]

bump

[sly plinth]

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[modern ermine]

I'm no Ryker enthusiast, but I will say that I have absolutely no idea what that character is supposed to do when enemies get to 100000 HP. It's like his whole purpose is just giving birth to 0 Mana Dice Roll cards that sometimes give you a lot of temporary str.

[tall roost]

<@&1166257943742787615>
@fervent epoch
is dev hate Ryker ?? Give him useless SF and now give him useless AA

[trim silo]

bump

[devout tiger]

Hello, I apologize for possibly missing this post. I will compile your relevant information and share it with the members. As for AA, I am not familiar with the team's design philosophy, so I cannot provide an answer at this time.😔

[rotund cove]

Expected answer

He's nine feet down below

[devout tiger]

[tall roost]

Ryker need more love not that useless buff

[rotund cove]

[gritty plover]

We already did that, and we share it whit Light, they said they would share it whit the designers, it seems they weren't interest, because they didn't respond.
But who knows, i can share whit you the list we made at the time and see if they could change idea.

[rotund cove]

I don't think they will do anything else

It's just talk

[gritty plover]

Possibly, but i would like to hear the response from them at least

even just a final no

[chilly sand]

your theories are wrong bye

sth sth like that

[rotund cove]

Why would they tell you that if they can keep you waiting around for longer instead?

It's all smooth talking

[devout tiger]

I may be a mere mouthpiece, bringing more disappointment... but I'm still conveying messages.

[gritty plover]

already dm it to you

[chilly sand]

Lyra everyone is frustrated with the new changes but we assure you that our frustration is for BIAV and not aim to you. We still very appreciate your response and contributions
We understand your job is hard and don’t intend to put pressure on you

[tall roost]

problem , how long ? I make the post for Ryker SF problem since it release and now April . At least 4 month pass and nothing

now they give him useless AA

it worth for P12 ?

[rotund cove]

[gritty plover]

i already explained the problem to him, and he understood and will deliver the message, we will see if\what the response will be

[rotund cove]

We'll see

[devout tiger]

I understand everyone's frustration; that's normal. I'm also willing to accept everyone's negative emotions.

[devout tiger]

Yes, I received 3 key pieces of advice.

[rotund cove]

[devout tiger]

We will consider increasing Ryker's base damage in the V2.5.1 to make it easier to meet the kill conditions, but this condition will not be changed in the short term. Ryker's strength lies in its ability to perform better in longer stages, while in shorter stages, the initial Black Sigil from the Enlighten provides a guaranteed minimum benefit. @tall roost

In addition, I have another message: Light will open a dedicated thread in the future, where you can provide feedback and discuss.

✅「Answered」Who Ryker's Designer pls come talk ?

[rotund cove]

[tall roost]

It limit the Sigil he get from kill enemy so for long stages still not good to ......
Then how about his AA ???

[rotund cove]

Just remove the limit atp
It's not like you can consistently kill with him anyway

[tall roost]

And for long stages . Which mode ? Train just reset until get relic + Sigil after battle then it give more Sigil than A LIMITED AWAKER + 12 can give .
For story hard mode . He cant kill enemy so if you said dev will buff his dmg then let see after buff he can kill or not .
Limit the Sigil he got from killing enemy is worst . At least make it like Daff WoD so allies kill still get bonus Sigil and remove that limit .

[rotund cove]

How did this come true

[low mist]

-# my uncle working at CCP told me that

[tall roost]

@devout tiger hello

[rotund cove]

[rotund cove]

[rotund cove]

[earnest terrace]

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[low mist]

[rotund cove]

[tall roost]

[lament leaf]

[low mist]

meta-accurate ryker

[rotund cove]

[glad atlas]

Dude it's 251 yet

[lament leaf]

[rotund cove]

[trail oriole]

Ryker is saved?

[crimson heart]

Asking the same. I just wanna know.

[tall roost]

dont know . patch not up so need wait and see

[tiny shore]

Ryker just got the hugest buff among the chaos realm characters @tall roost

[tall roost]

i know . It just reduce sigil requiment i suggest before . AA still not good . They need buff dmg to exalt than that Showdown .