Natures and Skills Infograph

[native kestrel]

I already posted this on the PoSle subreddit but I thought I'd drop it off here, too in case anyone needs it. Happy hunting!

[dense knot]

This is so useful!! Been looking for an Infograph like this. Thank you!

Maybe ping mods so they know to put it in the right channel

[native kestrel]

Not exactly sure how to do that unfortunately, but I'm glad I can help!

[dense knot]

I’m not sure either 💀 Let’s see if this works <@&1129036473396633724>

[indigo peak]

#infographics message

🙂

[gentle kite]

You know according to this infographic I have 0 good berry mons because of the lack of berry finder

In fact because of the must have berry finder, this is my only useable berry mon. Fo sho.

[torpid patio]

Very nice!
How are neutral natures such as Serious, Quirky, etc ranked btw?

[calm vault]

Like it. But i personally like to rate the traits for natures. Not the names of the nature, as they dont stick in my brain.
So
S: help+/ing- for berries

[hasty oasis]

Also

I wanna make sure this is clear

Berry Finder is equally good on all types of mons

It actually is just better in mons with better freq, nothing to do with specialty

And mons with better berries, not mons with berry specialty

It is worse on mons with Ingredients Up

[calm vault]

But you want ing up for all ingredient focused mons. So its berry finder is better for skill and berry pokemon imo

[worldly wadi]

Is helping speed sub skill not good on ingredient mons? Wouldn't that mean more ingredient procs?

[flat birch]

It would yes. Honestly idk about this guide. It seems wrong

[native kestrel]

Hi! I'm not the one combing through the data for best skills and natures, unfortunately. I gathered what I could from SwagTips and https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonSleep/comments/15mve9e/subskills_you_should_associate_with_the_3_types/ this post from Gameshrk90 on Reddit. I'll be updating the current infograph as we fine tune what skills and natures work best until I can finalize something else in the future, but for the moment I just wanted an easy reference for myself and other people for team building. I'm not counting anything to be "the best".

[hasty oasis]

SwagTips is very well informed on the game, but for things like this there is some contention

I wouldn't say his takes are wrong, just that there are people in the Mathy space that all disagree with one another

It's not quite a wholly solved science yet

Even our takes in the Natures Napcast #1137606947307261992

Our takes aren't gospel either

[strong glacier]

why is adamant so good? wouldn’t brave be better? xp down, speed up? XP in this game isn’t really needed because we can level up so easily with candies from friends

[gentle kite]

Right now we believe that the game goes:
Gather procs ->Berry OR ingredient OR skill chance.

Berry pokemon get more value from their berries (not that ingredients are bad). Ingredient down is a berry up as far as we can tell

[strong glacier]

then is xp > ingredients?

[gentle kite]

So... -ingredients might actively be an upside for berry mons

They're both the two best and order is ? but from what we know about gathering it seems like it might be a positive to have ingredient down unlike exp down which is "kinda" neutral (obviously doesn't affect stats but of course slower progression)

[strong glacier]

how come -ingredients is positive though? if it’s the first or second best modifier

is it because one ingredient could be a berry instead since it has a lower chance for the item to be an ingredient?

[gentle kite]

If you get berry OR ingredient, your berries are worth more value than your ingredients, and -ingredients means less ingredients, then you would like -ingredient so that you get more berries than ingredients

[strong glacier]

yeah that makes sense then thanks

[hasty oasis]

I think it was shown that skill procs are not related to a drop

It's

(Berry xor ingredient) + Maybe a skill proc

But yes, berries and ingredients are still preclusive

[glass sierra]

I agree. I was trying to keep track of my heracross drops and skill triggers and noticed he would still drop berries with his skill trigger. Sometimes the time between helps was very short like 5 minutes so no way he would have done 2 helps in that time.

Still I noticed weird things keeping track of it. It seemed the more often I checked in(loaded the game) I would get more helps vs just checking once every few hours. Could be a bug.

[gentle kite]

I was not made aware but that's good to know

[smoky bison]

Where does all the neutral nature rank? Should I assume they are all B tier?

[gentle kite]

ye