How Nature affects RP [Data Collection]

[south zodiac]

Needed: For this study, I’m looking for pictures of all Pichu, Eevee and Squirtle you can find. They all needs to have Main Skill lv.1 and Level 1-9. You can also take pictures of each levels if you are levelling them up.

I started collecting Pichu’s pictures in order to find pattern between Nature and RP. You can find all the data in the spreadsheets below.

First observations:

1. ALL mons of the same level and nature have the exact same RP

2. When ordering all Pichus of the same level from the lower RP to higher RP, the natures order is ALMOST the same. There is only one flaw between the “sassy”, “lonely” and “quiet” order (see numbers in red; this need further investigation).

These are my conclusions but please correct me if you think I’m not correct:

• There is no IVs in this game, or the level is so low we cannot notice the difference yet , (or the fact that lv.3 Sassy pichu’s RP is so high is actually a proof he has high IVs(???))

• Inactive subskills does not contribute to the RP number. (It was discussed in another topic that they will when activated)

• All Nature traits (stats) contribute to RP with different weights. For Pichu, it should be: Speed of Help > Energy Recovery > Main Skill Chance > Ingredient Finding > Exp Gains

• Only Neutral natures seem to always have the same RP. Maybe these numbers are the base RP for pichu for that level?

Do you think it would be great to continue this experiment? What’s your thoughts about all of this? I don’t know how to do math things but if you find this useful, I will gladly help!

Now I’m looking for pictures of all your Pichus (berry), Eevee (skill) and Squirtle (ingredient) so we can check if it’s the same for each specialty! (Main skill lv.1 + Lv. 1-9)

Updated conclusions will be available in a pinned message📌

Spreadsheet Link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Zk6buMhoL9DFqYRxGUV18eChCxUm01L8b0wegIoB34/edit

Follows the red RP pichus. Maybe you will be able to find something I miss…. Why lv3 Sassy has higher RP?

Sassy lv. 3

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Quiet lv. 3

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Lonely lv.3

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I’m also sending the sassy and lonely lv.2

[loud hinge]

here's my quirky (neutral) at lvl 3

[south zodiac]

If neutral natures give the base RP, would it means that +Speed of Help , +Energy Recovery and +Main Skill Chance increase the RP value, and on the opposite side +Ingredient Finding and +Exp Gains decrease RP ?

[inner vapor]

I just got a lvl 3 Pichu with Modest nature and 275 RP today (don't see any data for that in the spredsheet yet)

also just found this on reddit

and this

hope I'm not spamming too much and these are still useful to you 😅

[south zodiac]

Please spam all you want! These are useful data 😄
Thank you!

[inner vapor]

from #rate-my-mon-or-team

okay I'd much rather do that than study lmao

[south zodiac]

The pichu I used in order to make that spreadsheet are from #rate-my-mon-or-team from middle of this week until ~12h ago. I haven’t checked since then

[inner vapor]

Ah :D I'm checking them right now and I'm at 6 am :D

[south zodiac]

If you are at London time zone, I’ve checked until 21h yesterday.
Omg that’s so helpful thank you 🙏

[inner vapor]

think I'm done now 😂

I reached you message from above

[south zodiac]

Haha I think I should have chosen Eevee for this study. He seems more common at rate my mom xp

[inner vapor]

I'm in Germany so +1 to your time

[inner vapor]

mhh meanwhile I have none since I never get snoozing 🤣

and 3 Pichu now

just in

haha

I also found like tons of Pichu posts on Twitter but they're all bragging about shiny ones and almost no one's posting the nature

[south zodiac]

Fresh from the oven are the best!

[glass cliff]

Each subskill is worth an RP value too, when they are unlocked
I personally don't believe something with a higher RP value than another means It's better, for example your 3 pichus, I would 100% want the lonely pichu over the other 2
I'd be curious to see some with the same nature unlocking different lvl 10 skills, but that might be an expensive investment

also given that pichu is berry specialist, can I request we also pick a skill and ingredient specialist to compare?

[south zodiac]

Yes, subskills don’t interfere with RP when inactive, so there should be only natures here.

This is just theory, I think RP is mainly used for berry value. Of course lower rp mons, for example with +ingredient findings will have other advantage (be able to cook better dishes)

[south zodiac]

Yes, absolutely!

[inner vapor]

Eevee seems to be a good pick for a skill specialist then

[south zodiac]

What’s would be the more common ingredient finder at rate my mom?

[inner vapor]

not sure

[glass cliff]

lmao

typo at the end there

[inner vapor]

squirtle at least has to most pages when I search for it 😅

[glass cliff]

Yeah I'd say one of the gen 1 starters, most likely squirtle

[inner vapor]

13 pages Squirtle, 6 Bulbasaur and 7 Charmander

[south zodiac]

And if you search gastly?

[inner vapor]

8

[south zodiac]

Squirtle can be found on both island, should be easier yes

I will add this to the first post 🙂

[inner vapor]

I think we need to expand the level range for these :D

[south zodiac]

Below lv 10 for now?

[inner vapor]

sounds good

[glass cliff]

Yeah the data is going to get too hard with anything at 10+ for now

[south zodiac]

We can add the level 10 with subskills in another study in the future

[inner vapor]

scrolling through Reddit now

[south zodiac]

+EXP Gains natures are really the worst

[inner vapor]

that's all I found so far (Reddit only)

for Squirtle

[south zodiac]

Thank you! 🙏

[inner vapor]

will do Eevee later :D You're welcome

[south zodiac]

I collected all Eevee and Squirtle from yesterday 00:00 until now at #rate-my-mon-or-team (scrolling up is a pain on discord -_-)

[inner vapor]

yo is there a way to see the current data? I'd be interested :D

that's all on Eevee from Reddit

[south zodiac]

I will soon leave, so as soon as I update everything, I will share the spreadsheet here. Probably tomorrow

[inner vapor]

Alright, thanks!

[south zodiac]

Objective: We need screenshots of all Pokémon at different levels to understand how RP is influenced by natures, skills, subskills, and more. This data will help us understand how RP works and maybe discover a formula for calculating the RP of any Pokémon at any level✨.

Instructions:

1. When you're Leveling / Evolving your Pokémon:

   • Take a screenshot of the Pokémon at every level / before and after evolving it and share them with us. (This will be very valuable data!!)

2. For All other Pokémons:

   • Share screenshots of all your Pokémons in your box (order your box by Pokédex No, it will facilitate our work).
   • Then you only have to share new captured Pokémons and those that levelled up.

About the screenshots: We need to see the level, ingredients and nature of the mon.

Thank you for your contribution!

What We Know:

1.    Same species, level, and nature result in identical RP (from lv.1 to 9)
2.    RP increase per level isn’t linear; occasional unexpected jumps occur.
3.    Nature traits affect RP with varying weights, influenced by being a berry, ingredient, or skill specialist.
4.    Neutral natures consistently have the same RP, suggesting traits impact RP positively or negatively.
5.    Theory: Jumps may occur due to 1 extra berry/ingredient production at specific levels.
6.    No IVs in this game.

Spreadsheet: You can see data for any mon at the “ANY MON” tab.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kBrPl0pdAO8gjOf_NrTgAPseFtqQA27fdfEbMBBeAhs/edit?usp=sharing

Updated the spreadsheet and I have something new: The Nature Order (from lower RP to higher rp) will be different if the mon is a berry, ingredient or skill specialist 😄

How can I pin my last comment? 🤔

[inner vapor]

not sure how that works in these type of channels

great work so far :D

[south zodiac]

Thanks! Could you just confirm the spreadsheet is view only and that you cannot edit anything please?

[limpid vault]

it is view only@south zodiac

do you need more data ?

I can look what I have

[south zodiac]

Great thanks!! Now I just need to find a mod in order to pin this comment

And more data, yes!

It would be great to fill at least one entire Lv. And one entire Nature from lv1. to 9

For all three mons

[limpid vault]

can you put what you need in the comment that will be pinned ?

or ask to pin both

[south zodiac]

Also duplicates are great to be sure there is really any mon with the same nature and Lv. But different rp

Yes, I will pin it as well

Needed: For this study, I’m looking for pictures of all Pichu, Eevee and Squirtle you can find. They all needs to have Main Skill lv.1 and Level 1-9

[limpid vault]

@vivid hare hi, sorry to bother you, are you available to pin 2 messages in this channel please ?

[limpid vault]

this one

is this the only one Mari ?

[static coyote]

Oo this is super useful data

I’m working on a calculator that gives you values for how much strength each Pokémon will contribute each day and I decided to try and figure out how RP works along the way so I’m trying to solve for how the natures effect RP as well as main skills so that I can hopefully “prove” the equations in using for calculating berry/ingredient help are accurate

This data is all the same type I was looking for except on caterpie haha

[south zodiac]

Yes, it’s the only one, thanks 🙂

[south zodiac]

That’s very interesting! I’m also impatient to discover for what RP is used for

But I’m not that good at doing math things, so I will have to wait for others taking those datas

[limpid vault]

4 Pichus

[south zodiac]

It’s this one ☝️ @quartz canopy

[south zodiac]

Thanks

Oh, it’s already done! Thank you Haigen!!

[limpid vault]

not the good one but at least you can update it and put the right text inside

😉

[south zodiac]

Oh yeah, no problem!!

Updated

[south zodiac]

(Note to myself: Data from #rate-my-mon-or-team until Sunday 8h30pm (uk) collected)

[south zodiac]

I did a graph for pichu with what we already have.
It’s a mess…

Different line inclination can be because of roundings

(I think….)

But crossing lines….

[static coyote]

The neutral nature is the most useful for comparisons Imo

[south zodiac]

Yes, neutral natures are probably the “base RP”

[static coyote]

My assumption as well is that the +/- ingredient natures and help speed nature will be the least useful for this

As those natures are probably counted towards RP in a way related to frequency

Where the other natures like energy and skill chance will probably be more static values based on the main skill or some energy value

I think different main abilities of Pokémon also probably have different weights for how much main skill chance effects the RP

Like a charge M vs charge S

[south zodiac]

So you thinks those charge M/S are reflected in their RP 🤔

[static coyote]

Yeah based on my model for RP currently it’s off by 1% for Pokémon that aren’t skill Pokémon

And for skill pokemon it’s like 25-60% off

Mareeps being 50-60% off for the 2 I have and other skill pokemon off by less which points towards the main skills having different values

[south zodiac]

Interesting..

[static coyote]

If we had data of every Pokémon at levels 1-9 with each nature I could figure this out instantly with some computational optimization

(Maybe)

[south zodiac]

Wow, if we could find a better way to gather those data..

That way is so time consuming 😭

[static coyote]

Yeah, I was kicking myself for not taking pictures of my caterpie at each level

And all of my Pokémon tbh lol

[south zodiac]

My good caterpie is also at level 10 now

[static coyote]

What’s it’s subskill?

Data for Pokémon that are identical and have different level main skills would also be useful but that’s also very difficult to get lol

[static coyote]

Pretty spicy caterpie

[south zodiac]

(Probably the best thing I found until now :3)

[static coyote]

Butterfreeing it i guess ?

[south zodiac]

Maybe you could wait for a god caterpie to appear at #rate-my-mon-or-team and ask that person to send the pictures if they level it up ?

Yes, when I have the candies!

I can send you pictures of caterpie, metapod and butterfly when I evolve it

(Never know if they will be useful one day)

[static coyote]

Here’s proof that main skill has some weight

Level 9 butterfree w/ neutral nature and level 3 main ability more RP than level 10 butterfree w/ neutral nature level 2 main ability + skill trigger s

Actually this doesn’t quite prove it as carry limit could affect this 🥲

(Still seems a reasonable assumption though)

Waiiiiit a minute

Brave metapod has higher RP than higher level neutral metapod

And neutral metapod has higher RP then brave caterpie

But brave caterpie had a lower frequency

Only other difference is carry limit 👀

That’s a huge difference from carry capacity only unless there is something else going on

Here’s a hardy nature metapod level 5

Hardy being neutral

This might actually be really helpful in figuring out RP

[hybrid cliff]

My guess for the crossing lines is that +speed of help natures will be moving the lines up a fixed number because RP scales with speed of help directly also. Looks like this puts all the +speed of help natures at a different gradient from the other natures

[wanton folio]

here’s my pichus and an eevee if it helps 👍

[hybrid cliff]

Think there might be a scaling with Level in there too, so the difference is in the carry limit and in the Level

[south zodiac]

I believe if you give a Pokémon a main skill seed, RP will increase. So the more main skill level, the higher RP (that’s why I’m asking for pictures with main skill lv. 1 only).
Now, if different main skills gives different rp, I don’t think it will be possible to prove, because it’s already predetermined with the Pokémon species.

Could be interesting to check if different carry limits gives different rp (caught metapod vs evolved metapod, both under level 10)🤔

[south zodiac]

Could be interesting to find out. We need more data 😂

Later today, I will make a graphic with only the neutral natures RP (all together since they are the same)

[hybrid cliff]

Honestly I would consider collecting pikachu data as well. Literally everyone gets one so there’s a lot of potential data points

[south zodiac]

Pikachu Pictures will be easy to find at #rate-my-mon-or-team, scrolling up until the beginning of the game. I just don’t have the time for now. But it can be done when these spreadsheets are completed.

Scrolling up that rate-my-mom chat each night for collecting those 3 mons is already very time consuming

Pikachu would be great to confirm if evolved and wild catched mons have the same rp

[hybrid cliff]

I might go back and do pikachu then I’ll update here

[dusky nebula]

have you compared the RP for pokemon with the same skill as a skill specialist?

e.g. psyduck (charge strength s) vs any non-skill pokemon with charge strength s

or eevee (ingredient magnet)

[south zodiac]

Not yet.. For now I’m only doing one of each speciality: pichu for berry, Squirtle for ingredient and Eevee for skill. I would not be able to collect more for now unfortunately (every night im scrolling the #rate-my-mon-or-team chat in order to fill the spreadsheets (otherwise it would take an eternity), as well as storing all pictures, just in case)
But when these three are filled, I would definitely be interested to check if these patterns are the same for more Pokémons (evos and what you just suggested!)

Dmac is doing only caterpies I think

More people could start to do this for other mons. It would speed up the process so much

[dusky nebula]

if you're collecting eevee (skill specialist) and dmac is doing caterpie (berry specialist) then perhaps you can make some interesting comparisons as they have the same main skill

i have no eevees to help you sadly 😄

[south zodiac]

Ooooh! That’s a great observation!!

We will do that !

Thank you 🙏

[dusky nebula]

no problem! at first i thought skill specialists meant they had better skills. but there are edge cases like eevee where it doesn't seem to have anything special about it at all!

it may help to validate the theory that skill specialists have higher main skill proc rate

[south zodiac]

Yes, I also think they are built differently. At least it’s noticeable their berry and ingredients proc are a lot slower that the other mons, even without doing maths.

The spreadsheets📌 is already suggesting that each specialist will give higher rp to different natures, so each specialist will prefer different “stats”

[dusky nebula]

you can add my relaxed lv3 pichu to the spreadsheet

i am having a look at it now

[south zodiac]

Your relaxed pichu made the lines cross again lool

[dusky nebula]

i hadn't really noticed a difference in berry/ingredient drops. i just checked my sudo (-help) vs bulba with same frequency (1h 12m). they both helped the same number of times overnight but i only captured data for the one night

[dusky nebula]

can it be rounding?

i noticed some jumps in RP on level up are very much not linear

[south zodiac]

I thought about that but it may be too much.. that’s soo strange

[hybrid cliff]

Which line it cross with?

[south zodiac]

It’s easier to see in the table, instead of the graf. check your relaxed lv. 3

Relaxed is a dark blue in the graph.

[dusky nebula]

this is my totodile's lvl up trajectory

very much seems to be some rounding going of the various metrics used in the RP formula not just the output itself?

[south zodiac]

Yes that could be one explanation

One rounding should not do that, but multiple rounding…

Or.. maybe the devs don’t use a formula? They use a spreadsheets instead of one formula?

I hope no

[dusky nebula]

i know they are different devs but the RP reminds me a lot of CP in pokemon go which is based on a formula using the stats of the pokemon (same formula for all pokemon). so my guess would be the same thing here

[south zodiac]

In Pokémon go they don’t have natures, but they have IVs.. I should check if the graphs on Pokémon go are the same, or if they are linear

[dusky nebula]

yes. in main series games natures and IVs both impact the stats. so it could be the same here where the nature affects the stats

one clear difference from pokemon go though is that the stats aren't based on main series game from what i can tell. or at least not in an intuitive manner because 'speed of help' is definitely not related to pokemon speed in main series

[south zodiac]

I wonder if at least, they use the same Pokémon base stats from main series games..

[hybrid cliff]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oyE1doX7x6-qqhlEKfzV5TByHul4CG5cDB-oJKF2N50/edit?usp=sharing The Pikachu Sheet has what I could get from this sub and reddit. Ignore the other one I was testing theories but still not enough data to say anything

if I had a spare phone I could reset the starter Pikachu constantly to get all the data I needed but alas

[stoic river]

Squirtle, Eevee, and Pichu

[south zodiac]

That’s already great! Could you just make the graph start at 400?

Ok, even the neutral nature have different “inclinations” (I don’t remember what’s the right name in English)

If by any chance you find duplicates (same lv and nature) with different RP, it could mean that the carry capacity matters, if not, wild catches and evolved ones would be the same

[hybrid cliff]

done, Im pretty sure all the neutrals have the exact same inclination? also all captures have the same carry count, but they increase if you evolve same as main skill level so the carry count difference will be hard to measure for because of confounding factors right now

[hybrid cliff]

oh you compared to the other ones? I think right now that's only because of lack of data. Some have the same rate of growth to neutral looking from point to point, and some are off. My initial guess that it's solely because of speed of help might be wrong but have to wait and see. I have data that shows +speed of help decreases the rate of growth for frequency from level to level

[south zodiac]

I mean between each levels. Its not a straight line, it goes a bit up and down (probably the roundings)

I just levelled up my pichu, for science 🧬

(Will add the data later)

[hybrid cliff]

oh yeah I think that's the rounding

[hybrid cliff]

I have a hypothesis that Nature isn't linked directly to RP, the numbers don't line up how you expect. I would guess that the related buffs are though and that EXP buff/debuff isn't used in the RP equation. so RP is some combo of Lvl, Frequency, Carry Limit, Berry Number, Ingredient Number, Main skill power, Speed of help %, Ingredient %, Skill %, Energy Recovery %, and Sub Skill power for stuff like Dream Shard Bonus that doesn't touch the regular buffs. Instead of relying on Berry type vs. Ingredient type, they could easily scale it so that at higher Ingredient Numbers/lower berry numbers Ingredient % is preferred and similar for higher Main skill powers at low berry/ingredient counts. Would explain why +EXP natures are always worse than neutral because +EXP doesn't add RP but the Debuffs will always -RP to some degree.

need a lot more data to do a full analysis

[south zodiac]

Could it be that RP is not used for any calculations, instead it’s just a way for us to visualise which mon is “better” ? (The same didn’t went well for Pokémon GO PVP…. High attack stat was bad there for Pvp )

RP in this game could be like CP in POGO

I just don’t remember if CP was used for something in POGO or if they only used the 3 stats + levels for calculations

[hybrid cliff]

There are achievements for RP, but that’s what it’s for I’m pretty sure

[south zodiac]

That would be a bit anticlimactic

[static coyote]

There is a very weird thing going on

in berry specialists level increments in RP seem almost consistent except for a single level which the jump is larger than expected

for example rattata with speed of help + and Ingredients - nature has +7 Rp from 2-3, +11 RP from 3-4 and +7 RP, from 4-5,5-6,6-7,7-8,8-9

consistent + 7 RP with a random +11 in the middle

[south zodiac]

This?
(Pichu)

We also don’t understand why..

And, yes, the other two specialists seems a bit more consistent, but they diverge a little bit as well

[static coyote]

Yep

Got rattata data as well that the same thing happens for

Also got 6 screenshots of hasty pichu

[dusky nebula]

My observation was for berry specialist too

It's not related to the berry strength as they go up by 1 at lvl1-9. Later levels they can jump

[static coyote]

The jumps happen at different levels based on the natures

Adamant happens 6-7 hasty 8-9

This data was from denzik, they sent me the screenshots on the math discord

[south zodiac]

Added the hasty pichu (its the light red color)

[south zodiac]

They are also studying this?

[static coyote]

Nah i just made a thread over there to collect data as well

And they sent me those screenshots for it

I’ll share all of it here

[south zodiac]

Oh nice! Thanks

[static coyote]

They had just caught that pichu today and have grappa week so it was good timing

[south zodiac]

It’s a lot more easy to complete this with level ups

[static coyote]

Wish we had more level 1 data points but they are very difficult to find

Need people that just started and caught pichu right away

I might take to Reddit to try and gather data

[south zodiac]

When i notice one of these mons freshly posted on rate-my-mon and they have god stats, I ask to share the picture here if they will level them up

[static coyote]

Actually the strat lol

[dusky nebula]

It could still be rounding tho

[static coyote]

My assumption is that it’s rounding of some kind

Just very hard to figure out what exactly is being rounded (and the source of this)

[dusky nebula]

Round(frequency)^2

Something which would cause a big jump

Frequency is the only observable stat which increases with level

[static coyote]

Yep, and afaik frequency impact ingredients and berrie help frequency

In the math discord we have an estimate of somewhere around 1:3 ingredients per berry

(It was exactly .25/.75) but wartortle had just made all of our theories impossible with that assumption, actually it’s made all of our theories impossible with any ratio 😂

But for every Pokémon but wartortle we’ve tested .25/.75 is reasonable

So the theory was that potentially the big jump is when the frequency causes another ingredient to be found

Per what ever time amount RP cares about

[hybrid cliff]

is it to do with evolutions?

[hybrid cliff]

Has anyone compared that data with the frequency increase on the same mon? If there's a jump in frequency difference between 3-4 from rounding that could be compared directly

[warm falcon]

I've only just found this thread and have a lv6 Naughty Squirtle and lv7 Serious Squirtle, would you want the data as I level them to 10?

[south zodiac]

Oh yes! That will be very helpful! Thank you 🙏

[static coyote]

There is not a jump in frequency, I’m comparing that directly trying to figure out the weight of frequency in RP but it seems to change lol

[inner vapor]

I also have a Naughty Squirtle that's level 8 currently, are we already interested in how the RP changes once they unlock different subskills at level 10? 🤔

[south zodiac]

If you will level them up to Lv 10, send the lv10 here as well. I will keep the pictures (Lv9 and 10) on a different folder 🙂

[inner vapor]

Okay I'll do that then!

[errant heron]

I might be leveling this Pichu so i’ll def send screenshots if i do

[south zodiac]

Thank you! I really appreciate

[south zodiac]

This is a great Eevee! If you plan on levelling him, I would love to see screenshots of each levels as well

[south zodiac]

For Eevee (Skill sp.) there is also some jumps, but less than pichu (berry)

Even those neutral natures make big jumps… 🤔

[static coyote]

Hmmm

[rare cobalt]

2x level 1 squirtles freshly caught today (i started 2 alts and got, surprise surprise, slumbering as starters). not sure how helpful, but saw the sheet didn't have lvl 1 squirtles listed, so um. here are a timid and a bold one

sorry for the bad quality, i have it set to the lowest settings but it should still be readable 😅

actually the quality bothers me greatly so i will remove those and take new screenshots 😂

[static coyote]

Lvl 1 mons are the hardest to find thanks

[warm falcon]

Level 6-7 naughty, level 7-8 serious

[marsh sail]

Level 4 lax Pichu

[south zodiac]

Thank you all!! And yes, lv1 are precious here

Now we have the RP of all neutrals for Squirtle (except lv1)

It’s the black line

So.. it’s confirmed they don’t use the Neutral rp in order to calculate the other ones, at all.

Apparently, “Frequency” stays the same for the same Nature on a Pokemon… right?
Do we have a chart with the evolution of “Frequency” for a certain Pokémon for each level?
If not, I will look into the screenshots (Hopefuly I was keeping them!!!!!). Could it be that the Frequency have these jumps as well?

[static coyote]

Why’s this confirmed?

[static coyote]

We can calculate frequency on any Pokémon at any level, just take base frequency multiply it by the amount of helping speed stuff and then take that value and you subtract 0.002* that value * the level of the Pokémon

And it gives you frequency in seconds

Frequency doesn’t coincide with the jumps, It was the first thing I checked unfortunately

[south zodiac]

There is a jump at the neutral line (black) at level 8. If the others were calculated with the neutral, there would be a jump at the same level… and we can see there is no jump at level 8 for the timid line (the lower line).

It seems to me all rp are calculated separately

[static coyote]

I would assume rp is calculated as a sum of a bunch of different parts

But that technically doesn’t prove that

But also it’s irrelevant and a fine assumption to make they are calculated separately imo

I assume it’s some combination of berry strength per hour, ingredient strength per hour, subskill stuff, inventory? And main skill

[south zodiac]

Do you think it would be useful to have the frequency of those neutral ones at each levels? I should be able to find them.

[static coyote]

Neutral imo is the most useful as we can rule out contributions from the other factors of the natures

But RP is seemingly impossible to figure out from what I’ve been working on

The main issue stopping me imo is that we don’t know what percentage of each Pokémon’s drops are ingredients vs berries

And our most recent findings from whistle testing show that it may be different for every Pokémon’s species

[south zodiac]

Damn.. too much variables

[static coyote]

If we knew what things were variables and had enough data we could solve it with some some optimization methods pretty easily

I just need to know what the variables are, and plug them into a matrix for all the values we have and have it find the coefficients

[south zodiac]

And if the rp is not used in any calculations for any other thing (like if it was just a visual thing to tell which mons are strongers) . Beside telling us which natures are best, there is not that much to find here.

I will look into the frequencies tomorrow

[static coyote]

It has very significant correlation with berry/ingredient help strength

To the point where I’m almost certain if we figured out the formula for RP I would be able to figure out every formula in the game and fully optimize it

It would be able to be used to confirm every factor related to pokemon including skill frequency in pretty sure

[south zodiac]

Are the jumps you’re finding at the same levels than here with the rp ? Are you using one of these 3 mons by any chance?

[static coyote]

The jumps are the things that’s ruining me

I’ve tried all of these mons, caterpie, pikachu, butterfree tons of stuff randomly

I got a spreadsheet I made intending for it to who you exactly how much strength any given Pokémon will give you for a week so you can make the optimal team

But I got distracted trying to make it more accurate and then started “figuring out” RP lol

[south zodiac]

Lol what a nightmare xD
There should be a variable that is jumping as well

[static coyote]

Yeah that’s the annoying thing, the thing that made the most sense is that an extra ingredient was being produced in whatever timeframe they check

But at those levels I couldn’t find where that would be

[dense hazel]

A couple of my Eevee:

[inner vapor]

Here's my naughty Squirtle + evolved to Wartortle

[south zodiac]

Thank you! 🙏

This is the frequency for the neutral natures. Totally linear as expected with your formula

[south zodiac]

(I had to reconfirm it because there was a flaw but in the end it was my mistake )

[south zodiac]

What is “ berry/ ingredient help strength” exactly?

Is RP used to calculate that value? or could it be the opposite?

[south zodiac]

I am even looking at the main game stats, just in case… There is nothing here that could justify that jump.

[hybrid cliff]

Re: the jumping, interestingly when you take neutral as a baseline the jumping seems to go away when looking at other natures

this is the chart for Pikachu with each non-neutral nature compared to the neutral

need more data as always but everything seems to line up nicely

[south zodiac]

You did a substraction, right?

Will do that later today

[hybrid cliff]

=IF(AND(ISNUMBER(PIKACHU!B2),ISNUMBER(PIKACHU!B$7)),PIKACHU!B2-PIKACHU!B$7,)

just replace "PIKACHU!" with "[reference sheet]!"

or just the coordinate if you want to do it on the same sheet

and $7 is the row where I have the neutral

[south zodiac]

With that, we should be able to predict the RP for Lv 100 mons, right? (Without the subskill effects of course)

Unless, unlocking ingredients will mess with this equations.. (so at least until Lv 29)

[hybrid cliff]

yeah it will. probably the best we can do right now is predict the max frequency for a given pokemon

since we know it's linear

this is the squirtle data

it looks like speed of help and energy regen natures are the most wonky

Also heads up, your labeling for the Gentle Nature on all ur tables is wrong. should be +main skill -energy recovery

[south zodiac]

Pichu, Eevee and Squirtle

For a moment, when looking at your pikachu graph, I thought that was linear….

Rip lv100 RP

[loud hinge]

btw it seems like RP increases a lot at level 25, is this also true for level 10?

[static coyote]

That’s from subskills but yes

[loud hinge]

do different sub skills increase RP by different amounts?

[south zodiac]

I don’t know about other people, but I’m not studying above lv9, because the Subskills will start to count for the RP. Would be interesting to open a new chat asking people to send pictures of Lv.9 and 10 they levelled.

[south zodiac]

Apparently yes

I remember to see a gold subskill increasing al lot the RP

[loud hinge]

yeah it increased my RP by almost 200

[south zodiac]

Not surprised

If the RP value is used to calculate other stuffs, having gold subskills will be a huge advantage,

But if the RP is just a visual thing and used for nothing… gold subskills won’t have that adicional interest

[static coyote]

It widely varies based on the subskill and the Pokémon’s stats that had the subskill

Skill trigger M will give more RP to a Pokémon with a “better” skill etc

[loud hinge]

crazy, I didn't know it went that deep

[loud hinge]

would there be any interest in the RP progression of a lvl 3 vaporeon?

it has very high RP already (787), so maybe that's useful somehow?

[static coyote]

Yeah I’m interested in that, I’m collecting just any Pokémon in general that’s being leveled up here https://discord.com/channels/1129035839398228028/1140076218943811644

That would be useful

[dusky nebula]

https://discord.com/channels/1129035839398228028/1135477143841804348

i did start asking for data on subskill RP diff but kinda dead now

[static coyote]

Yeah that’s data I want to figure out eventually but i think it will be hard to nail down without knowing how to calculate the RP without subskills first

[south zodiac]

Charts 40-50% percent filled for those 3 mons…

The more I look at those graphs, the more I think the devs are trolling us and are using a lookup table (no formula)

[south zodiac]

What is “ berry/ ingredient help strength” exactly?

[static coyote]

Like if I take the frequency and divide it by some amount I can get within like 1% on average of non skill Pokémon’s RP

Multiplying by .25* berry strength and .75*ingredient strength so their ingredient and berries are being accounted for

[dusky nebula]

does that work regardless of the main skill (for non-skill mon)?

what about the main skill rate %?

do you have an example you could share with us?

[static coyote]

It’s not including main skills

It’s just a rough estimate that is relatively consistent with it, I have a spreadsheet with them but it’s not really reliable

I’m trying to figure o it how much of the RP is actually from berry/ingredients but it’s seemingly different which is… more difficult lol

[loud hinge]

here's some more data points from a careful (main skill+, ingredient finding-) vaporeon

[south zodiac]

I will only take data from Eevee, pichu and Squirtle, but keep these screenshots because its possible someone will need them in the future 🙂

@static coyote do you need vaporeon?

[rare cobalt]

lvl 4 lax squirtle

lvl 1 gentle pichu

lvl 4 docile pichu

lvl 4 modest pichu

[static coyote]

I am just taking everything I can lol

[south zodiac]

Thank you Avery! 🙏

It would be so much easier if people would post screenshots with the name of the mons on it, on #rate-my-mon-or-team . We would just have to make a search and done!!

[minor adder]

Got some bellsprout data here

Weird that it's not a linear increase with a neutral nature

RP gains of 3>4>8>4>4>66 (inv up L)>6>5

It seems like subskills might scale with level as well as I'm getting more RP per level (besides that one outlier)

[south zodiac]

That’s interesting. Could be also that they start to get more RP per level from lv 10.

[minor adder]

Also could be that

[south zodiac]

That’s the problem. I really have a feeling they are not using a formula

[minor adder]

Also I have another 13 bellsprout with inventory up S that I'll be able to compare in a level

Both neutral

[south zodiac]

It will be useful in order to determine the weight of these subskills

[minor adder]

If they are it's definitely using breakpoints. So like how much gathered in 1h and at lvl 7 you get an extra berry or something because of the speed

[south zodiac]

Also, do you think they use RP for any calculations? Or it would be only a visual thing for us to determine which Pokémon is better?

[minor adder]

No I'd assume it's rhe same as CP in Pokemon Go, an easy catchall metric thay allows very casual players to loosely determine how well a Pokemon will do its job

[south zodiac]

That’s also my feelings, knowing CP on pogo. It means gold subskills that don’t directly impact snorlax, like the exp sleep bonus will inflate the rp…
I crossing my fingers they did things well and didn’t messed up, because on POGO the CP was a very bad indicator for pvp.. just because high Attack was bad for pvp xD. I would be sad if we have something like that on Sleep

Dropping this here. They’re 50-65% completed

[brave wasp]

It’s feels like an arbitrary number honestly with no real bearing on productivity.

I’d lean on speed of frequency and some nature and subskills to really determine that on a case by case basis.

It just doesn’t seem like a stat that means anything but to “gauge” how leveled up something is at providing Snorlax strength

[south zodiac]

(Btw The graph below is RP-RP(neutral) ; also, we have all RP neutral for Eevee and Squirtle. Pichu is missing 2.)

[minor adder]

Yep it was bad for pve before the rework then bad for pvp after, created interesting brackets in great and ultra tho!

[south zodiac]

I hated to have to rely on an app in order to check if a mon was good for PvP or not

[minor adder]

Yep very annoying, but part of the reason why I switched to android haha

[south zodiac]

With these data we should at least determine which natures are best for each roles (berry, ingredient and skill mon). This is if they didn’t messed up and if this is the same for each role… it could be a different order for every Pokémon

I had an android then I switched to Apple. Probably the reason I stopped playing pogo

[static coyote]

I’m pretty sure the increase is because berries get 1 power higher per level

So eventually an “extra berry”will boost rp by an extra point

Since help speed gains from level at linear at 0.002*help seconds per level

If we get a fraction more of a berry at each level when the berries value jumps up by a large enough margin it will make the new fractions of a high enough value to increase rp by an extra point each time

If this is true we will see this trend continue the higher Pokémon get

I have levels 4-25 of a mankey I’ll check those later

The only issue is it has berry finder and helping bonus

[south zodiac]

This makes totally sense

[runic night]

Here's some more data for a lax Pichu lvl 5 to 9

[runic night]

And a lax Eevee lvl 4 to 9

[south zodiac]

Thank you! Those level ups are very useful for us 🙏

[inner vapor]

Just got this one today, I think we're missing lvl 5 upwards for timid right?

[hazy tendon]

This might interest y’all, two Pokémon with the same rp

They both got the same ish nature effect 😄

[south zodiac]

Yep, after lv 5 we only have lv 7 timid for Eevee .. nothing else.

[inner vapor]

Okay I'll send more screens when I level up!

[south zodiac]

We already discovered that all Pokémon from the same species and with the same nature will have the same rp. That’s why we are collecting rp of all natures for Eevee, pichu and Squirtle, from lv 1 to 9 (we are trying to find out how it is calculated and we need more data for that : )

[hazy tendon]

ah, missed that discovery. Mb 😅

[south zodiac]

Btw, all neutral natures will have the same rp as well 🙂

Np

[inner vapor]

Congrats on that shiny with Berry Finding at 10, that's insane

[south zodiac]

You can find some info in the pinned message ( I have to update the conclusions though)

[hazy tendon]

Thank ya ^^

[inner vapor]

Was thinking about leveling with candy but I don't even have enough for the evolution, guess I'll have to slowly level that Eevee 😅

[south zodiac]

( I don’t even own an Eevee )

[inner vapor]

I didn't until today haha

[south zodiac]

@hybrid cliff @static coyote
I just remembered that, at the beginning of the game, I stupidly gave a skill seed to my Pikachu from the tutorial

If you find the same lv and natural pikachu that was evolved, you can determine if an increased capacity will give more rp or not.
Also comparing with another unevolved pikachu, you can see the weight of a +1 skill lv.
This pikachu is neutral, that should also help.
Unfortunately I don’t have any screenshots of him below lv10… I posted it in the topic that existed before the #rate-my-mon-or-team . It was probably deleted

Oh.. it has helping speed M.. that will complicate things……

[static coyote]

Still useful

[brave wasp]

Bold Squirtle Level 8

[minor adder]

Difference between inventory up L and S is 40 on a lvl 13 neutral nature bellsprout

[brave wasp]

Bold Squirtle - Level 6:

Quiet - Eevee - Level 9

[static coyote]

Ty:)

[warm falcon]

Neutral Squirtle to lv10, naughty Squirtle to lv9

[marsh sail]

Relaxed lvl 5 pichu

[static coyote]

[minor adder]

Nvm I can't read, ignore me

[last wigeon]

My older data got deleted so I'm starting over

[south zodiac]

[rare cobalt]

lvl 1 adamant squirtle

[warm falcon]

Lv10 naughty squirtle

[buoyant cypress]

what do you guys think about Gentle nature Togepi?

[south zodiac]

If I only look at my spreadsheets, for a skill mon, gentle it’s slightly above average. Because RPgentle - RPneutral is above zero.
I personally think if you consistently have 100% sleep points, the energy recovery down will not be a problem. I would look at his subskills and ingredients in order to decide if I would evolve it ( they don’t need to be gold, just look if the subskills somewhat could help him do his job or if they could help the team or be supportive for your progress)

[runic night]

Here's a lvl1 Brave Squirtle at 411

[runic night]

And a lvl1 Brave Pichu at 314

[runic night]

Three more lvl 1 Squirtles:
Quiet, Careful and Rash

[mild crown]

Lvl6 Modest Pichu at 293

Not sure if this helps but lvl3 docile eevee at 444

And lvl6 careful eevee at 497

[south zodiac]

👀

Thank you!

[south zodiac]

Thanks!!

[runic night]

Lvl 5 Sassy Squirtle

[runic night]

lvl 4 mild Squirtle

lvl 7 modest Squirtle

lvl 5 calm Squirtle

lvl 7 jolly Squirtle

[runic night]

lvl 7 lonely Pichu

Lvl 7 and 9 mild Eevee

Lvl 6 to 9 rash Pichu

Lvl 5, 8 and 9 bold Pichu

[runic night]

Lvl 6 Brave Eevee. Another row done! (if you forget about the lvl 1s)

[raw creek]

1 pichu + 5 squirts

[ashen nova]

That last one should be new

[runic night]

Lvl 1 Hardy (neutral nature) Squirtle at 373. That's the neutral row completed

And a Jolly lvl 1 Squirtle

[ashen nova]

awesome

[south zodiac]

Thank you 🙏 I’ve updated the chart! We have completed 73% of Eevee, 66.1% of Pichu and 69.3% of Squirtle

[runic night]

Two more lvl 1 Pichu: adamant and bold

[ebon wedge]

have you considered using the search option in discord and typing:

in:#rate-my-mon-or-team has:image pichu

you'll find 167 results of pichu

can't guarantee all are gonna be useful (nature might not be visible in all cases, but in the messages following that you'd expect them to mention the nature

if you want i can copy paste some message links so you can evaluate them one by one...

same for eevee and squirtle ofc

167 results for pichu
468 results for eevee
220 results for squirtle

sometimes multiple pictures per message

[runic night]

That has already been done for the most part. If you find one that isn't in the shared doc yet, please do share of course

[ebon wedge]

ahhh ok good

pays off lol

why are some numbers red or orange?

this one is already in the sheet, but it was orange, so im showing it just in case

[south zodiac]

I was doing that before, then I started scrolling up the rate my mon channel in order to catch all of them (because not everyone will name the mon with the screenshot). That’s how I gathered most oh them, but it’s to much time consuming 😭
I will remove the red numbers, they are no more useful

Last weekend I used the search tool inside the other math discord in order gather them as well.

Do you know if it’s possible to access the topic that was there before #rate-my-mon-or-team ? I’m sure there will be a ton of Lv.1 mons

[ebon wedge]

yea it is time consuming. I just managed to get a few new ones though. keep track of it, though. now I check everything until 5 september 2023 for pichu. make a list c:

i can do eevee and squirtle as well

the most recent new pichu i found was on 28 aug so im guessing the eevee & squirtle also go back to that day

lemme check for eevee & squirlte in the past 8 days

oh i ignored the neutral natures cuz i figured they are all gonna be the same

[south zodiac]

For the neutral natures, we just need lv7 pichu, and lv1 Eevee

Oh and lv9 pichu is also missing

So: missing neutral natures: 7 and 9 Pichu, lv1 Eevee

[ebon wedge]

ok i'll recheck neutral pichus

tbh those level 7 and 9 are probably easiest to just DYI if someone has like a neutral pichu at like level 5 or 6 now

lv6 careful eevee seems to be typo'd in the sheet

697 probably gotta be 497

[south zodiac]

I will put it in red, so i can confirm if we find another one

[south zodiac]

(Corrected)

[ebon wedge]

so many people post Eevees lol

level 3 complete

bingo 😂

that's it for eevee

squirtle

[south zodiac]

Thank you! That’s a HUGE help! The last days I didn’t had the time to do that myself

[ebon wedge]

(looks weird but the RP is legit, cuz the other 2 attached screenshots correspond to the RP values in the sheet)

another eevee all the way from 26 aug

confirm 497 on eevee lv6 careful

that's all i could find for pichu, eevee & squirtle up to <t:1694016900>

next time someone goes through #rate-my-mon-or-team you dont need to look beyond that time

[ebon wedge]

probably wanna copy this into one of the main posts here to keep track of what has been checked in #rate-my-mon-or-team and what hasn't

[ebon wedge]

you're welcome, glad it helps a lot 😄

Dumped some candies in my Quiet Pichu so that you have 2 more entries (idc about pikachu)

oof i have a level 3 calm pichu....do i really waste 94 candies on it 😂

luckily he is a fast leveller

glhf

i wouldnt fancy dumping candies into an eevee or squirtle tho (not that i have ever caught either of those 🥲)

someone just posted this in general

[dusty estuary]

Yah its mine

[ebon wedge]

hell yea

[dusty estuary]

Hope it will be helpful

[ebon wedge]

when (if) it's level 7 8 and 9 post it again 😉

cuz those RP values are needed

[ebon wedge]

(before evolving)

[dusty estuary]

I mean

432, 436, 440

[ebon wedge]

haha legend!

epic

so much progress today

[runic night]

Lvl 1 Naive Pichu

[south zodiac]

I also found the topic that existed before #rate my mon

https://discord.com/channels/1129035839398228028/1134161071150747760

There is 6 to 7 days of screenshot and potentially a ton of lv1

I will scroll up and check everything this week (will take me at least 3 hours to do that, but I will 🥲)

(Unfortunately search doesn’t work in this old topic)

Also, I learned that before this topic was created, people would send screenshots and rate mons on the general channel. Maybe, it would be possible to do a search for each mons in general and ask for posts before the first/second day of this discord

[ebon wedge]

ooooooo

honestly I think it's not a bad thing to advertise this post like once a day, just ask people to check all their pichus eevees and squirtles and compare to the google sheet

that must do wonders

just like how kaiser just got 4 extra entries

i advertised it, let's see what happens

[south zodiac]

Thank you kaiser!!

[runic night]

This is great! You guys found a lot more than I thought was left in that channel

[ebon wedge]

in #general lol

my gf has a sassy pichu ill ask her later what level it is

cuz quite a few are missing there

[runic night]

Found a lvl6 Impish Squirtle

[ebon wedge]

stalked someone's message in #general who found careful level 4 squirtle, expect that soon

lol

this channel is just glorified version of bingo, love it

[south zodiac]

All of them are above 70% completed! Nice job 💪

[ebon wedge]

hell yeah

[ebon wedge]

this one is still marked as red btw due to the previous typo but it's confirmed now

@fringe lotus #general message this is why I asked btw! 😛

[runic night]

I went through all the images in the general channel over on the mathcord, so no need to search there earlier than 6 Sep

[fringe lotus]

aah

[ebon wedge]

if you have a screenshot of the squirtle you mentioned, could you please share it here? :)) for science

[ashen nova]

not sure if everyone here has seen but this is my sheet that i've been using to track additional mons, if anyone wants to host on google and manage it that'd be awesome. Right now when you add new entries to the Data tab (only use first 4 columns) it checks to see if it matches an existing record and then highlights it as green if it's a dupe and they match, and red if they don't match. So it's a data integrity check and also helps for throwing a bunch of new mons in there without having to flip between grids

it only uses one grid tab where you can change the pokemon name an it auto populates

I'm doing alright on gastly, charmander, and bulbasaur

not sure if it's worth making a project out of it though, lol

[runic night]

Found a lvl 7 neutral nature Pichu

[ashen nova]

i already had one but it matches

interesting

73.5% on pichu

76.2% on squirtle

79.9% on eevee

41.8% on gastly

46.6% on charmander

36.0% on bulbasaur but got all neutrals

[runic night]

Also went through the research and questions channels up to 6 Sep on the mathcord

[runic night]

Lvl 1 lax Squirtle

[ashen nova]

awesome

[runic night]

lvl 1 Pichus, relaxed and naughty

[runic night]

lvl 6 Calm Eevee. That should complete one row

[ebon wedge]

wait a sec that's mine 😂

i thought I checked and it was already there ❓

i brought it to 9 already so hopefully 7 and 8 are in fact complete as well, otherwise my morning brain really messed up badly 😂

[runic night]

I was missing it on my sheet, but maybe it was already in the pinned one

Nope, missing in the main sheet too. Either way, thanks for posting it!

[ebon wedge]

oh wow

do you need level 9 then at least?

wait ill check

ohh wow yea calm level 6 was missing

i was looking at pichu's :I

great then calm is the only complete eevee row

[ashen nova]

had it on my sheet

[ebon wedge]

how many sheets are there? xD

[ashen nova]

i think we should have a central one

but mine has the most data probably so i'd like to be hosted somewhere but i dont wanna manage that

have fun with it

about 40% on charmander, gastly, and bulbasuar too

[runic night]

lvl 1 hasty Pichu

[runic night]

lvl 5 careful Squirtle

[ashen nova]

Nice now if only we can get someone to level it up

[stoic river]

Question - is the pinned post at the top still what we understand about RP?

Specifically the first point, because I have two untouched Pokémon of the same species, nature, and level with differing RP values

Oh wait just seen point 9, nvm

[placid jacinth]

I heard y’all are looking for screenshots. Apologies if these are not the ones you are still interested in.

[edgy cloud]

just heard about this from a thread on math cord.
Unfortunately evo'd a pichu/squirtle already. But heres 1 pichu and 2 eevees

[ashen nova]

Thanks but would it be possible to check the spreadsheet I'm posting to make sure they're not dupes? 5/21 were new, 16/21 were dupes. Green = Dupe

[edgy cloud]

any reason you dont have it as a google spreadsheet? that way people can check the latest updated version and not have to download

you can set permissions to that it is viewable but not editable

plus then you can pin the link and not have to reupload new ones

[ebon wedge]

there is a google spreadsheets as well

in the pinned messages

[ebon wedge]

at the end of this message

but apparently there's more spreadsheets circulating (which i don't really understand)

[south zodiac]

I updated the spreadsheet with all your contributions. Thank you!!

It’s the first time I hear about more spreadsheets, lool.

[static coyote]

We’ve been getting lots of activity on the math discord for the RP channel and Goobliss and Harold have been sharing the relevant ones here haha

I think I’ll make a copy of Harold’s sheet and try to put all of the data on a google sheet so people can add stuff themselves and I can approve additions so we can get data more efficiently

[ashen nova]

i dont wanna be the one hosting it

latest

[south zodiac]

If we do that, people would still have to post the screenshot in order to double check. It’s very easy to make typos.

[ashen nova]

i think we should lock the main sheet and have a sheet for inputs to be verified

and then someone can copy and paste them into the main sheet as long as they are comfortable with them

otherwise we have potential for vandalism and stuff

as long as we have a queue tab it should be fine

[static coyote]

Yep that’s the plan I think

[south zodiac]

who would like to organise that?
I may not be that quick to update the spreadsheets, I have less time than weeks ago unfortunately.. (still want to contribute when I find the time of course!)

[south zodiac]

Another option would be to give the most dedicated of you access to this speadsheet. @Dmac, @Thijs and @ashen nova ?

Apparently, you’ve been gathering data on your own. Better to update an unique spreadsheet together

Then, I can make a copy from time to time as backup, just in case…

[ashen nova]

whatever yall come up with I'm fine with it

[static coyote]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kBrPl0pdAO8gjOf_NrTgAPseFtqQA27fdfEbMBBeAhs/edit?usp=sharing

@runic night made a spreadsheet before I could, too speedy haha

[runic night]

Lvl 4 bold Squirtle

I'm still tinkering with the spreadsheet and need to add some instructions on how to use it, but it's coming along

[ebon wedge]

I don't think I'm gonna be consistently active, I just like to skim through the rate-my-mon occasionally and post it here, hope that's okay c:

[edgy hollow]

Naive squirtle lv 4

[ebon wedge]

is anyone here interested in also gather data about dishes, and in particular about the odds of getting "Extra Tasty" as well as factors which might influence it? we're trying to collect data in #1150475651820826675 starting monday morning 😊

[ebon wedge]

Relaxed pichu

Too bad i caught it at 7. Lv6 is still missing

[south zodiac]

I just saw your are already using the new spreadsheet in the other discord and you are adding all Pokémons in it(?)
Is this RP channel still useful for you? What can I change in this channel in order to support your work?

[ebon wedge]

oh is there a different channel for reporting the RP values now in the mathcord? (i haven't really paid much attention to what happened with this post)

or do you mean #1150475651820826675 ? that's not for keeping track of pokemon's RP, but for keep tracking of meals to determine the chance to get "extra tasty" 👍

[left spear]

Are we taking in consideration. That mins can have IVs? Even with all we know about pokemon its possible it can have some hidden values.

Lol Phone was showing me an old version of this post. Ill share my pichus if still needed.

Brave Pichu Lv2 i can lvl it a bit if needed.

Quirky Eevee

[south zodiac]

It’s in the mathcore ( #Pokemon-RP-Data-Gathering ) but discussions are more about doing math with the data than gathering data.
(I wanted to say hi there and send some screenshots but I wasn’t able to post, don’t know why…)

[ebon wedge]

oh lemme see

oh yeah apparently i joined that post a while ago (I think it was linked in this chat) but never looked at it

if I were you I'd just supply them with all the data that has been obtained in here. it's like 80% complete or something (?) and I'm sure they can find a use for it there

and here we can just keep trying to push for that 100% completion lvl 1-9

[south zodiac]

We still need brave pichu lv.6 and 8. Thank you!

[left spear]

ill level it up later and show pic of every lv what si the data needed? onky the RP

[south zodiac]

only a screenshot like this:

I was going to say, for the Lv 6 and 8 only, but I think the Mathcore discord would like to have screenshots of all levels.

[south zodiac]

Oh!! I don’t know why, I could not touch anything on this spreadsheet, but now I can change the mon on the any mon page and see your progress!

How does it work? Which data do you need to be filled in the submission page? Do you want me to help fill it from time to time? (I have another project now, but I can still help from time to time)

Otherwise, where can i send the screenshots so you can focus on fill in the spreadsheet?

[runic night]

I'm currently gathering all of the useful images from both discord servers and will be adding them when I have the time.
We should already have most of the data you have, since the sheet is based on yours

I'm also looking in this thread, so posting any images here will also work

[south zodiac]

I just noticed you’re missing pichu brave Lv.9, but yeah you probably have a lot more new datas. I just don’t want to make duplicate work and only focus on what can be useful, especially now that I want to focus on the other project (Infographics.. I will tell more in the future 🙂 )

If you want, I can change the instruction in the pinned message here for something that would be useful for you

[runic night]

The Rash lvl 1 would also be much appreciated!

[runic night]

I'll have to think on it and make the sheet a bit more user friendly first

[south zodiac]

Like, I could more explicitly ask people to remember to take screenshots when levelling their mons.
Also, are you taking all unevolves mons? Or also evolved ones?

[runic night]

It will eventually also include lvl10+ to see what subskills do. I'm taking data on any mon. We're starting to get some good results from it and can get some values for berry%, ingredient% and skill%

[south zodiac]

If lv1 rash is not here or in rate-my-mon, it was probably on Reddit

[runic night]

Ok, then I'll find it eventually

[south zodiac]

Ok! I will change the instructions here in order to reflect this.
Can i link your spreadsheet in the pinned message? Are all pages except the submission page locked?) I wont pin it if they are not locked, for obvious reasons

[runic night]

Everything is locked except for the submissions tab and anyone can choose a mon on the Any Mon tab to look at the graphs

[south zodiac]

Good! (I wasn’t able to understand how to see all mons before but now it works for everyone )

[south zodiac]

I updated the pinned message and added your spreadsheet

My old spreadsheet is here if you need it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Zk6buMhoL9DFqYRxGUV18eChCxUm01L8b0wegIoB34/edit

I won’t touch it anymore

All my Pokémons:

My second pikachu has a skill seed

Also , Fell free to ask me any change in the pinned message! 🙂

[ebon wedge]

BTW do you want another mini side project which involves keeping track of the 3 meals you make each day? :3

me and some others do all the data processing, we just need as much help as possible 😄

[south zodiac]

I noticed your study yesterday ! But I always forget to take the first screenshot, before making the dish…. 😭

I will try to remember tonight 🥲

(The same way I forgot to sceenshot a pichu i levelled myself. 😭)

[ebon wedge]

yea dw it's hard to force yourself to remember to screenshot it all haha! but yess that's very great that you wanna help!! we already have an overwhelming amount of data after just a few days, but still the more the merrier 😄

[ebon wedge]

rippp 🥲

[south zodiac]

My seeded unevolved Pikachu when he was younger

(Please, don’t ask why I used a seed on this)

[left spear]

Brave Pichu from 3 to 8 (i posted lv2 before)

[south zodiac]

Thank you Nacho!

[static coyote]

It didn’t allow you to send a message in the maths thread?

https://discord.com/channels/1133923264146706452/1140746163243470998 here’s a link to the channel in case that helps

[south zodiac]

Important Update

The instructions for contributions just changed. We are no more studying only Eevee, pichu and Squirtle. We are taking ALL Pokémons!

I changed the pinned message, but you can also find the new instructions below 👇

Thank you again for your help!

—-

Objective: We need screenshots of all Pokémon at different levels to understand how RP is influenced by natures, skills, subskills, and more. This data will help us understand how RP works and maybe discover a formula for calculating the RP of any Pokémon at any level✨.

Instructions:

1. When you're Leveling Your Pokémon:

   • Take a screenshot of the Pokémon at every level and share them with us. (This will be very valuable data!!)

2. For All other Pokémons:

   • Share screenshots of all your Pokémons in your box (order your box by Pokédex No, it will facilitate our work).
   • Then you only have to share new captured Pokémons and those that levelled up.

[south zodiac]

I think now I know why it didn’t worked. Will try again!

[left spear]

me?

[south zodiac]

It didn’t worked because I had my VPN on

[static coyote]

Nah marimimi couldn’t type before because of VPN lol

[left spear]

LOL

ill drop my mons there maybe the weekend with more time 😛

[ebon wedge]

I'll take screenshots of all my mons tomorrow or something, and I'll also try to think of taking screenshots when levelling (and evolving I guess?)!

[south zodiac]

Evolving as well! (I will add that in the pinned message 👍)

[south zodiac]

My pokemons of the day

[ebon wedge]

Can only send 10 at once. F

1 lvl up

1 lvl up

1 lvl up (lvl10 skill unlocked)

3 shitty Pichus from lvl9 to lvl10

Totodile 8 to 10

Sorry for the person who has to enter the data in a spreadsheet 😗

[raw creek]

1-10/48 dex #s 1-10

11-20/48 dex #s 10-56

21-30/48 dex #s 56-152

31-40/48 dex #s 152-202

41-48/48 dex #s 246-453

[raw creek]

same togepi @lvl3: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1136118201869160508/1148391006031581234/Screenshot_20230904-120535.png

[south zodiac]

This little guy got one extra level last night

[south zodiac]

That may interest you..

I just started a new data collection channel about the shaky camera during the Pokémon sleep study sessions. I have a feeling this can hint us if the Pokémon is good or bad before catching it

👉 #1151964476740997210

[south zodiac]

I levelled my brave wartortle

[ebon wedge]

Levelled my charizard to 30

This was him at 29

Gengar 1 lvl up

[ebon wedge]

Fuck i forgot 22 im sorry ;-;

Nein nein nein!!!

To make up for the missed lvl22

[ebon wedge]

note how charizard went up by almost 600 RP just from getting the extra ingredient slot at level 30

[amber turtle]

marowak lv24
ing+exp- speedM inv20 skillvl2
RP852
marowak lv25
ing+exp- speedM BFS inv20 skillvl2
RP1105

[raw creek]

same gentle magnemite @lvl4:

[raw creek]

i caught a second quiet caterpie today at FL 11 and it has the same RP as the sub 10 one above. good to know there's no need to keep track of that too.

[ebon wedge]

@south zodiac Maybe it's an idea to advertise this on the pokemon reddit, people might be interested and join in

I did the same with our meal data collection (https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonSleep/comments/16jaefx/extra_tasty_meals_data_collection/?) and it got a very positive response. Although this RP thing is a bit more technical and less intuitive than the extra tasty bonus thingie, people might still be inclined to help out

Wrong link lol wait

There we go

[south zodiac]

I also want to advertise the Shaky cam
It may be a good idea

I levelled these two again

[south zodiac]

One more level for Pikachu

[ebon wedge]

exactly, go for it, it might get more people to think about it and share their views

https://discord.com/channels/1129035839398228028/1135459507959496802 there are a ton of pictures of someone's pokemons, and it's updated each day so probably can clearly follow the levelling & RP per day

[south zodiac]

Monday morning I will do that. I think the SubReddit will be more active at that time and day

(And I will use a bait )

[ebon wedge]

hahahaha

[hollow zephyr]

I have two level 11 Arboks. Both have natures that reduce speed of help, but by different amounts

level 11 & level 12 arboks. nothing particularly interesting about them

[runic night]

Thanks for all the screenshots!
I take all the images I can find on this discord every day and enter 'em in the sheet (except rate-my-mon, that has 15.000+ images and would take months to get through)
One step at a time

[ashen nova]

what am i missing? one is 11 and one is 12

[hollow zephyr]

Doh, my bad. one must have leveled up after sleep this morning

[amber turtle]

Raticate
RP565 lv14 skillprocS energy+speed-
RP561 lv14 inventoryS
Proc+speed-

[runic night]

All of the posted images have been gathered up to this point. Thanks!
Haven't gotten around to adding all the lvl 10+ data, but the rest is in the sheet

[tacit pine]

Is there any problem with images in this format?

[oak lintel]

same level but different personalities

[runic night]

That's perfect, thanks!

[south zodiac]

New mon cought

Posting this evolution I found at mushrooms vs. Potatoes channel (I don’t know if you check there as well)

[south zodiac]

I thinking I forgot this guy

[runic night]

Yeah, I do an image search of most channels in the discord every few days

[south zodiac]

Oh ok! Thats a great way to filter the screenshots!! Thanks!

[raw creek]

serious togepi, level 6-10

[amber turtle]

This is funny, lv25, main lv4, help bonus, skill proc M, natural nature

[raw creek]

naughty cubone level 8-10

[tacit pine]

Level up

[tacit pine]

Level up

[raw creek]

brave metapod level 5-8

brave butterfree level 8-10

[south zodiac]

Thank you for your contribution kairi!

[south zodiac]

I posted on Reddit about this channel and the shaky camera one with my Infograph. Let’s hope more people will come

https://reddit.com/r/PokemonSleep/s/WRNDYHrkKl

[south zodiac]

I levelled up a bellsprout

Also, raichu evolution

[ebon wedge]

lol swalot OP confirmed

[south zodiac]

My side project I was talking about the other day #1153293265903292466

[raw creek]

sassy eevee & serious eevee + spheal
all level 4

[south zodiac]

Levelled up croagunk to lv10

[charred fog]

level up

[tacit pine]

level up

[raw creek]

rash gulpin, level 4-11

[raw creek]

serious lv.10 togepi & togetic

[south zodiac]

Croagunk lv. 10 to 16

[south zodiac]

Houndour

[ebon wedge]

Couple of levelups

Lv25 subskill unlock

[ebon wedge]

Evo

[ebon wedge]

Lvl up

[runic night]

It's a big ask, but pictures of Tyranitar and Slaking are the most valuable at the moment. I have one of each and I would like at least a second image

Some more Lucario and Persian would also be welcome

[runic night]

Already found some!

[amber turtle]

I guess I can just post here

https://x.com/waritasu0709/status/1691001868892446720?s=46&t=OTwOjaIkNUsro1iDxlH5Ag skillvl upS energy+ing-

わり(わりたす) (@waritasu0709)

ルカリオ！
進化させたけどスキル弱い(笑)

Twitter · Aug 14, 2023, 8:20 AM

[ebon wedge]

Was just gonna say, there must be resources available online on reddit or youtube or twitter

[amber turtle]

I told them I searched lucario on twitter and 90% of the media result were nsfw

[ebon wedge]

.....

[amber turtle]

just a reminder lol

[ebon wedge]

Good to know yea

I didnt expect that 🙂

[south zodiac]

Igglybuff

[south zodiac]

Wartortle lv up

[ebon wedge]

Main skill seed used

[tacit pine]

lv up

[tacit pine]

lv up

[ebon wedge]

Lvl up

[ebon wedge]

Lvl up

[south zodiac]

New ditto and jigglypuff

[ebon wedge]

oo not a bad ditto 👀

[broken lily]

Hey guys great work you are doing! Would love to help as much as I can. Should I enter my data on the submissions tab or just dump my ss here? I dont mind doing both but wanna make sure

[ashen nova]

the value of Squirtle's main skill+ seemed to be about 14.2 so the first squirtle getting about 26 from it makes sense if it's 36 and mainskill+ is 20

I think this is actually great confirmation of the 20 number as opposed to something like 25 or even something a little less like S which we were assuming to be 18

@sweet jay @runic night maybe you're already ahead of me on this one but good to see something simple

[spark hawk]

Levelled up the iggly I just picked up

[south zodiac]

Maybe better to dump everything here. They won’t miss it 🙂

[sweet jay]

Yeah I think the level to level bump as well as the ing or trigger skill with known value helps solidify the nature value.

I'm still interested in anything you see as difference between levels because we have a level by level decrease in accuracy and that probably need an update to the shape of the model.

[south zodiac]

[south zodiac]

This pikachu gained a new level

Same for this charmander

[broken lily]

Started to dump some of my data. I already entered these into the sheet cuz I wanted to avoid dupes that are aligned with model predict.

[broken lily]

Is the google drive submission folder real? It doesnt have all the mons. The misaligned instructions on the sheet and here are somewhat confusing for me

Entered. Sending for sourced.

Entered sending for source

Entered. Sending for source.

Entered sending for source

Entered. Sending for source.

Entered. Sending for source.

Entered. Sending for source.

Entered. Sending for source.

[south zodiac]

I’m not the owner of that spreadsheet anymore so I admit I don’t really know how the submissions works. @runic night is updating the spreadsheet with our screenshots, so he probably can answer better than me

[runic night]

The submission folder is real! Only the unprocessed submissions are kept there, so I take 'em out once they enter the data tab
But posting the screenshots here is also fine. Just as long as I have a reference image if something doesn't seem quite right.
For example, we already found a number of cases where the RP number is bugged when a mon with skill level up subskill is newly caught. It won't reflect the higher main skill lvl in the RP until later (either after a level up or just closing and opening the app, not sure)

[runic night]

I should have a way to confirm that it is indeed 20% for skill natures and 18/36% for skill subskills. I'll explain later, but I'm confident that those numbers are correct

[ashen nova]

I think the way that the charge strength scaling and level boost scaling also synchronize with the 20%/18%/36% confirm it

too many things just match up

[runic night]

Yeah, that's more or less what I'm currently working on

[ebon wedge]

Main skill seed used on this so it must be useful

Level 31 and 32 are also somewhere in the chat

[raw creek]

quiet metapod 5-8 & buterfree 8-10

[south zodiac]

Wartortle >> lv30

[ebon wedge]

Ekans 8 - 17 + evo. Good excuse to use some ekans candies lol

[south zodiac]

New larvitar

[broken lily]

Level up 29-30

Evo

Level up 29-30

[ebon wedge]

Lvl up

[spark hawk]

Lvl up

Lvl up 10-14

Lvl 15

[south zodiac]

Evolving wartortle to blastoise

[south zodiac]

New swablu

[south zodiac]

Im unsure if this guy already earned one level since I cought it (pinsir)

[granite sorrel]

5 different Gastly at level 9

[ebon wedge]

Lvl 20 to 25 subskill unlock

[south zodiac]

I used 1 main skill seed and 2 subskill seeds

[south zodiac]

New mons

[south zodiac]

**IMPORTANT!!

Please don’t post screenshots of pokemons that have Helping Speed S and M subskills active.

There is a visual bug with their frequency, therefore it would introduce wrong data to the model.

I will let you know here when that bug is fixes 🙂**

[ebon wedge]

thx for the heads up. yesterday i posted my butterfree going 20 to 25, with hlp speed M at 25

ohh with the frequency

went from 41:20 to 35:28 tho 🤔

[south zodiac]

Maybe you levelled it up before the introduction of the bug

I think the update occurred around 3 am uk time

Today

[ebon wedge]

oh today, ok good to know👍

i sent it yesterday at 19.30 UK time

lemme check if the frequency is different now

yea it's still the same as before. so indeed it only affects pokemon you've levelled after the introduction of the bug

but of course you can't exclude that possibility from just a screenshot so understandable you dont want screenshots with HLPS/M

[south zodiac]

Or maybe it’s just helping speed S that is bugged

Need to check again

So it’s both help speed, but only if levelled up alter the bugged update

Or other actions

Posting it again:

**IMPORTANT!!

Please don’t post screenshots of pokemons that have Helping Speed S and M subskills active.

There is a visual bug with their frequency, therefore it would introduce wrong data to the model.

I will let you know here when that bug is fixes 🙂**

[marsh sail]

Timid slowpoke 16-30

[south zodiac]

Unfortunately we cannot take those into account because of the HS M bug. You can see from lv 16 to lv 17 the frequency increased instead of decreasing. :\

Hum… just a moment (please don’t delete them)

@runic night could these screenshots with the bugged HSM help to calc the Value of that subskill?

[runic night]

I've only looked at one example, but while the displayed help speed is incorrect, the RP was still correct. I'll look at a few more examples though

[ebon wedge]

it decreases tho, right?

[south zodiac]

In this case, the lv 17 frequency increased instead of decreasing (relatively to lv16)

[ebon wedge]

1:27.10 (418 RP) @ level 16
1:26.59 (422 RP) @ level 17
1:26.48 (432 RP) @ level 18

[south zodiac]

Oooh!!!!!!!!!! I was reading 1:26:10 for the first one >__<

Sorry for the confusion

[south zodiac]

It should be perfectly fine! (It’s me that need glasses 🤓)Just to be 100% sure, when did you levelled it up?

[south zodiac]

Thank you for pointing it out ^^’

[ebon wedge]

hahaha dw 😎

level 28->30 ingr unlock

[runic night]

Right! Time to do another screenshot gathering run

[amber turtle]

It’s so annoying that those pinkbutts taking up all my snoozing slots

[south zodiac]

There is more cleffa line screenshots there 👉 #1136923165138882581

[marsh sail]

I leveled to 29 the day of the XP nature patch (9/25?) Then I got the candy to push level 30 this morning (9/28)

[south zodiac]

So he’s clean until lv29. Lv 30 doesn’t seem bugged. Could it be that they already fixed the problem at that time?

Apparently the problem was fixed yesterday (source: Japanese update notice)

[south zodiac]

Those levelled up during night

[raw creek]

same gulpin, level 12

[ashen nova]

maybe helpful just cause of how weird golds are and now it hit its level 30 ing

previously

[ebon wedge]

Didnt check for helping speed so be careful of the butterfree and doduo..

[south zodiac]

New kangaskhan

[gleaming scroll]

Here’s my wiggly @ lvl20--25 and @ lvl25 w/ a sub skill seed;
the last two show stats of the same iggly/wiggly though I didn’t capture his nature and skills in the images, so just fyi

[ebon wedge]

Evo and level....has helping speed M tho...

[ashen nova]

wow i have the same doduo only S and M are flipped

[ebon wedge]

no way!

that's crazy

[ashen nova]

well... not exactly but just neutral nature and the 2 helping skills bakc to back. so what matters atm

its not one of my proudest mons lol

get skill trigger > ing finder at 50 but i doubt i'll be levelling it that high

level 75 and 100 are identical

[ebon wedge]

ah yea still coincidental!

[ebon wedge]

for me it's good enough for now. i can do several weeks of cyan beach with this dodrio without investing in it, and it will contribute a whole lot

[ashen nova]

yeah same i'm gonna do cyan with it

[ebon wedge]

of course if/when i find a better one, I'll use that one, but realistically that won't happen anytime soon