ingredient tier list

[woven citrus]

I will try to make a informed tier list based on my sheet in #1135538369238155284
here is a links as well: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gpoQFPDENe9kuQ169OVj_6XfjE34DbYgN_soWvQZgMg/edit#gid=0

Grading criteria:

• there are ingredients that have high synergy (making team comps possible).
• there are ingredients that are used very rarely in receipts, or not used at all during certain weeks.
• there are ingredients that are NOT YET available.
• ingredients have values, which also comes into account here. BUT they also have certain amounts that can drop assigned to them. need to take this into relation as well (although for lvl1 there is only amounts of 1 and 2, so this might be a topic for after lvl30)
• how many pokemon can drop this resource and their type (ingredient/berry/skill)
• I will only grade on what we can do NOW, without lvl30 mons and without insane cooking pot sizes.
• Sundays increased cooking pot size will also be considered, but to a smaler degree, as 6x3 meals are regular and 1x3 meals are sundays.
• only free 2 play consideration (pot size).

Result is the picture attached here:

[woven citrus]

Result List with some info on how the grading got a certain Grading-number and therefore Rank.

@crisp ermine does my tierlist look reasonable?

[crisp ermine]

Tierlisting ingredients seems weird although you could probably do it (just weird information wise for people looking at it without understanding) i'll 100% look though

Not right this second

busy

withen hour though

[woven citrus]

thats why i not only dropped the final list, but can also see what made the grade. coloring and numbers.

[crisp ermine]

Ye i think if you do it carefully you could easily make it very informative!

Balancing ease of access/meals/actual value is a fine point

[woven citrus]

all in see the pic later 😄

[crisp ermine]

Alright checking this

where is it

i see it

What is up with potatos? Do we really not get them? Doesn't like kanghaskan get them or am i tripping

nope kanga is ginger okay

[crisp ermine]

Yah i was busier earlier you covered everything I was worried about lmao xD. I think it's solid as heck.

Particularly telling people how many dishes they can make with it

Although my only concern is counting lategame dishes for those other columns. Stuff we can't actually get rn shouldn't be factored

[pliant steeple]

Nice data - At least I can sell my Surplus Apples for something lol

[onyx maple]

Maybe it’s me being dumb but why are greengrass soybeans not in a or s since they are good for one recipe in every dish type

[crisp ermine]

I think it's that the berry value category is low and it's not optimal for dishes on those other two dish types, they just exist. It's only really a "best" option on desserts.

Like low value ingredient that is useable every week but only optimal for one dish type and has generally mid amounts of mons that get it (1 specialist and 2 non specialists according to the graph) so B tier.

you really like it one week, and you can use it other weeks but there's much better stuff and it doesn't overflow the pot really efficiently at 100 points a pop. I think the wide use IS the reason it's B tier and not lower

[lament maple]

How you defining an "optimal dish" for the purposes of this chart?

For me the optimal dish is the thing I can consistently make the easiest and just shove value ingredients into when available, so I can bring as many favored berry specialists as I can

like I'm genuinely baffled by apples being so unpopular when they're the one thing that flies on easy mode every week. Why mess with trying to balancing act the later dishes into existence when you can just do soda/apple salad/etc with one mon and then stack the rest of your team with pals who bring 2-3 of snorlax's favorite berries?

Am I missing a piece of the puzzle?

[woven citrus]

an optimal dish is not the apple juice. that dish is too blunt and basic.
optimal dishes are more advanced, but can be easily cooked and the optimal dishes ingredients have good synergy for team comps.

[woven citrus]

because an optimal cooking comp will probably outshine your berry focused mon later on. and the goal of this is not "what can i cook the easiest with berry specialists"
The ranking is not based on optimal dishes cooking alone. if you look at the sheet there are several criterias going into the rating.
and apple is also not being provided by ingredient specialists, has the lowest value, is not used much with salad and curry dishes. besides the obvious beginner dishes.

and if you look at sausages and milk, which are at the top of the list, you could do the same basic dishes with. so your apple argument is disproven.

[lament maple]

I'm not specifically arguing for apples, lmao. That was an example I was trying to use to ask my question. I'm asking if improving the quality of your meals (once you've passed the threshold of hitting A meal, any meal) really scales that much better than adding more favored berries

for the purposes of selecting helper team members, specifically

because that is the opposite of what I've heard thus far

and if that's true I need to adjust accordingly

[crisp ermine]

The answer like everything is just it depends

Especially on what you have available

[woven citrus]

The tierlist is not connected to berries. I only looked at ingredients in vacuum. So cant say what performs better in long run.
But i know many that focus on berries and neglect ingredient and dish setups, have problems cooking.
Sometimes they dont cook 3 meals. Sometimes only the basic dishes.
I think if you can consistently cook 3 medium tier meals for 6 days a week and 3 large dishes on sunday you might even perform better than berry focused teams.

[crisp ermine]

You were asking about occasionally upgrading a meal versus just a fifth berry finder right? I really think it's just use which of the two mons you think will be better long term. If that is a good eevee slam it! It'll make a disgusting vaporeon in cyan or like an espeon fir genetic island stuff

If you think it's eh use the swablue. Altaria being dragon berry kinda a nice niche to be able to hit

It's not a massive difference either way imo it largely depends on circumstance

[lament maple]

Yeah that was me, thanks. I was wondering about that team, but also just in general. Trying to find the sweet spot for the balancing act

[woven citrus]

It takes much more preparation and strategy to make a good dish focused team. So of course more people will shout out their success with berry teams.
#1135459507959496802 has shown different ways. And ingredient was catching up with berries often.
I also started an experiment in #1138573130881831003 rwo days ago.
You can follow. Maybe in 1-2 weeks i can show some results.

[lament maple]

also I am wildly unsure about both that eevee and that swablu as long term prospects, lol. They're both decent but imperfect in ways idk how to weight. Will have to look at them again

[lament maple]

That's a fair point too. Thanks for the links, will definitely be cool to watch that test!

[gritty coyote]

I feel that instead of comparing the value of 1 ingredient we should compare the value of a typical production in a time period, like 1 day.

Because its very possible we end up with like 12 apples for each tails we produce.

Then the fundamental unit is a group of 12 apples. Same for soybean.

Maybe it's harder to fit in recipes tho.

But the list looks like early game so maybe it's not a concern.

[woven citrus]

Yes early game. I did rate harshly anything that we cant have yet