Charge Strength S V Ingredients Magnet S

[nova nacelle]

🤣 i'm keeping busy/keeping myself distracted by rerolling 💀 it helps 😂

[willow grove]

butterfree one is 252= ((48 * 1.3)ROUNDED UP)) * 2 (BERRY SPECIALISTS) * 1 (NOT A FAVOURITE) ) * 2 (HELP)

[nova nacelle]

my mons aren't fast enough to really do in-game tests i think tho? my pikachu is freaking CALM (-speed) so that doesn't help, and my pichu are pichu 😔

do you just want me to leave the app open without doing anything and see what happens? or what do you need?

[willow grove]

yes

but you need to click away for a min of 5 mins after the initial overflow pop up

need to see a loading screen

I usually go to "spy" on my research mails

that should cover it and go back to home screen

then a new overflow will pop up IF they have fast frequency. That's not confirmed yet

why I want to test it

[nova nacelle]

ooooh hmm i can check every 5 min? i don't think much will happen for mine

oh

[willow grove]

have 2 different mons with vast difference of frequency

[nova nacelle]

LMAO i got a pop-up just now

[willow grove]

pic

and level

I think it's definitely 2 helps minimum in a short period

I'll calculate it

[nova nacelle]

wait let me start over. at exactly :30 i will enter the research screen and at :35 i will come back out, let me take a screen of my mon

[willow grove]

no the overflow

you took a pic?

[nova nacelle]

no, it was 362 tho but i have no proof because i clicked it away 🥲

[willow grove]

who?

level please

[nova nacelle]

lvl 13 pikachu

calm nature

[willow grove]

fave?

[nova nacelle]

grepa yes

kay i'm entering research screen for 5 min, see ya in 5

[willow grove]

island boost?

[nova nacelle]

30% i think? should be max

[frigid frigate]

60 mins from last now at 80% energy

[willow grove]

362 doesn't add up to anything

BFS?

[nova nacelle]

no

i might've got it wrong then could've sworn it was 362, but this time i will take a screenshot if i get anything

[willow grove]

376 is there

next time

but it is 2 helps

so it's a minimum then

[willow grove]

huh same as other one yesterday

[nova nacelle]

oh wait i have an alt i can try this on with caterpies

i already put them at full inv

[willow grove]

yeah one of your mons leveled up as its close to it

[nova nacelle]

5 minutes with the mon it was from

[willow grove]

it is minimum of 2 helps

really interesting

@cyan cradle

might give you insight

304= ( (29*1.3) (ROUNDED UP)) * 2 (BERRY SPECIALIST) * 2 (FAVE BERRIES) * 2 (HELP)

could you please keep on doing this @nova nacelle

[nova nacelle]

yeah i'll have another in 4 minutes/at :45

it's a good thing i named my pichu A and B

[willow grove]

I think the time could be shorter but I'm not sure as it normally takes me 5 mins to look on all mails and other things after every 4 hours

theoretically you could get 24 helps per hour

If every 5 mins

[nova nacelle]

this time nothing

😭

[willow grove]

could you use multi screen?

for 2 accounts simultaneously

one 5 mins and other 10

why not add a third one for 15

[nova nacelle]

i'll turn on the caterpie account, lum berry is fave so i kept their invs full

[willow grove]

so you can?

[nova nacelle]

one is phone, the other is bluestacks so yeah

[willow grove]

but can't multi screen on pc?

[nova nacelle]

oh yeah but i don't have other accounts with full invs

the others i already grabbed

[willow grove]

that's a good test for this to actually figure out help

[nova nacelle]

note to self:
caterpie 19:00
main 18:55

[cyan cradle]

@willow grove I am keeping track of starting energy, ending energy, overflow strength gain, and time elapsed.

I am tracking this for BFS Raichu and Pika

[willow grove]

I think energy is not a factor but needs more test to confirm

[cyan cradle]

I am going to use average energy to back calculate an energy based help modifer

[willow grove]

SO FAR minimum help is 2 for a berry specialist in a 5 min cd

[cyan cradle]

I am taking observation approximately every hour

[willow grove]

potentially 24 per hour but that's too crazy

[cyan cradle]

I am normalizing by the elapsed time to factor out small deviations in period of measurement differences

What I will get initially as an output will be #of help per unit time

What I will derive eventually is an energy based help multiplier curve for all energy levels.

[nova nacelle]

another 5 minutes, this is the lvl 13 calm pikachu (i am unoriginal with naming schemes 😂)

[willow grove]

I knew it wasn't 376

[cyan cradle]

You realize that is 1 help/2.5min

[nova nacelle]

i soory 😭

[willow grove]

I mean 362

[willow grove]

well potentially but need more tests

as minimum is 2

for berry specialists since that's what we've been testing

[willow grove]

minimum CD

[nova nacelle]

from my other account

[willow grove]

that's every 10 mins?

[nova nacelle]

that was 10 minutes yes

i only had 2 caterpie in that account with full inv

[willow grove]

def minimum 2 helps if berry specialists 392= (37 * 1.3) round up * 2 * 2 * 2

[willow grove]

are you planning to use that account?

[cyan cradle]

@willow grove 24 help per hour is a factor of 31.28 times the base help frequency

[willow grove]

let's run more test if not

try putting an ING or SKL mon with low limit

so can fill it up much quicker

[willow grove]

for pika?

[cyan cradle]

For PicuB, the mon Avery posted results for.

[willow grove]

oh OK

@cyan cradle have a tracking on excel for these?

I mean for your own results

I don't have one currently and only going off mental calculator😂

@nova nacelle should log yours aswell

I think @round pulsar has an excel file like that

[nova nacelle]

another 304 from Pichu B in the last 5 minutes

[frigid frigate]

60 mins later 74% energy

[nova nacelle]

and caterpie A 248 again though it hasn't been 5 minutes, it's been longer, but still, that seems to be the minimum then

[willow grove]

first pic is 4 hours after my previous clip and had a 15 minute cd of help

got it on clip waited 15 mins on my alt

minimum of 2 help

my main didn't get one at 5 min so.i decided to wait for 10 extra mins

the faster frequency ones were able to do 2 help in 15 mins @cyan cradle

clip of collecting

[willow grove]

Both INV have same as previous overflow

I didn't stay in the app after 5 mins with out getting another one

this one is for my main 4 hours after it's previous clip

@frigid frigate rawst is too powerful that 728 spheal is the level 10 one with skill level up M unlocked and +speed nature. it only has 88mins+ frequency and is half of butterfree output at 41mins+. Even if there's a 15 level gaps it's still putting work

interesting

not fave as well

so slower frequency does give less help as that level 6 one is 470 with 101 min+ frequency while the level 3 one is neutral with 92mins+ and got 516 WITH 8 less energy

so energy is not a factor for now if the same species as its only frequency that factors help in a certain period @cyan cradle

I think the next overflow after 4 hours will definitely show a pattern as all have full limit now

[cyan cradle]

I have to work on a different computer for work than my personal pc so I am writing the data down on graphing paper first. I will manually enter the data on an Excel sheet when I finish up this week.

BTW this is a 5 min gain on my lvl 24 BFS Raichu with fav berry and 1.2 island multiplier

Looks like 2 helps

[cyan cradle]

Yes but there is a silent frequency used based on how much energy the mon has.

I will take a picture of my sheet and show you this evening.

I just did the math, the screenshot was definitely 2 help.

[willow grove]

yes 2 helps

[frigid frigate]

60 mins each interval forgot to post one

[willow grove]

so it's consistent now

only BFS raichu is different

[frigid frigate]

Looks to be

We will see in a few hours to see if energy tanks it

But maybe sneaky snacking is not effected by energy

[willow grove]

are you willing to NOT use pillows overnight?

[cyan cradle]

If sneaky snacking is not affected by energy that would be massive!

[willow grove]

just to test if you get the same result as yesterday overflow during sleep

[frigid frigate]

Yea I’m not using pillows though I think tonight I’m throwing my spheals in to get them up in exp to prep them for snowdrop

[willow grove]

ah ok

I'm tempted aswell

[frigid frigate]

It’s so many free days of exp

[willow grove]

as 4 are in overflow mode already

[cyan cradle]

Sorry I should clarify:
Sneaky Snack = sleep feeding over inventory limit
Overflow Snacking = awake feeding over inventory limit.

[willow grove]

I'll wait for my next 4 hour check in to see if any difference in overflow

it's the same though right?

sleep feeding only freezes energy

if using phone

[cyan cradle]

@frigid frigate what was your average energy for those two time periods

I would like to determine the energy dependant modifier to help frequency.

Average is just start + finish /2

Was BFS Raichu at a different energy level than the pikas?

That might be why its production decreased.

[cyan cradle]

I would hope sleep feeding does not use current energy level, that would not be ideal haha.

[willow grove]

he has clips of them at same energy

[cyan cradle]

I wonder why one changed during the time period and the other did not.

That fact that the other mons had the exact same strength contribution over consecutive periods eliminates the idea that there is a random variable involved in determining # of helps.

This is good stuff.

@frigid frigate @willow grove it is so odd that the 12:28 help period is the same as the 2:28 period, but the 1:28 is different only for Raichu.

[frigid frigate]

60 mins later

[frigid frigate]

Sorry can’t check right now just taking pic and video uploading and getting back to work

[willow grove]

OK now INV L went down

and rachu1 went down alot

[frigid frigate]

60 mins later

[willow grove]

4 hours later on my main

hmm both of ours went down after the same amount of intervals

[cyan cradle]

Probably energy tiers

60min measurement incomming...

I am aiming for 61 min measuremnts

[willow grove]

hmm ill swap out all the spheals for the event

I don't think I'd want them to gain xp I'll stick with my main one

I accidentally clicked out the overflow pop up on my alt before taking a pic

it did grew strength though

that's the before and after

around 4.6k

[cyan cradle]

First pic at 12:41 after a 1hr10min help period:
Second pic is 1hr1min at 5:57:

Nevermind I must have deleted the first pic haha

[willow grove]

I can't see anything

OK I'll be going to bed soon and will swap in my regular mons.

So in conclusion, for now we know that the minimum # of help is 2 (FOR BERRY SPECIALISTS) even at 5 min CD interval than the previous help

[cyan cradle]

Raichu provided 2088 str at ave energy 79.5 as it did at ave energy 47, very odd.

[willow grove]

I've asked @nova nacelle to use one of her alts to test for ING or SKL mons to have overflow

and see the difference

[cyan cradle]

@willow grove maybe energy does not make a difference for overflow atleast.

Very odd

[willow grove]

idk needs more testing

[cyan cradle]

I wonder why Vells results were so consistent

[willow grove]

well to the hour so easy to predict

have you done multiple 1 hour?

[cyan cradle]

I had an odd measurement from 3:25 to 4:26.

Raichu was 1392 and pika was 624

That is a massive variance

Well it is a two help variance I guess

[willow grove]

I'll put 5 spheals on same level tomorrow and take out my butterfree after waking up

all will have close to zero energy so much easier to control the experiment

[cyan cradle]

It seems help comes in at increments of 2

That makes sense then

[willow grove]

yeah for berry specialists

need other specialty to confirm

OK I'm tired now bye.

[cyan cradle]

I have a bfs Jolteon I can record for you

I am not letting ING mon go into overflow though

[willow grove]

thanks for sharing info @frigid frigate, @cyan cradle and @nova nacelle

[cyan cradle]

No problem, sleep well!

[willow grove]

but we need actual single berries

OK bye now for real

[frigid frigate]

60 mins later

[cyan cradle]

@frigid frigate @willow grove I am getting 6 help per hour with my Raichu

That is a 10min help frequency!

My Raichu has a 35min help frequency. That is 350% the base help frequency rate!!!

My math to back that up is 2 help = 696 str.
2088/696 = 3
3x2= 6 help per hour

That is absolutely busted!

[cyan cradle]

My mon are also only losing 6 energy per hour, or 1 energy per help.

[frigid frigate]

what all my data looks like in table format

60 mins later

in the 1255 minutes been going with this i am getting 94.12 strength per minute

[cyan cradle]

2088/60= 34.8/min for my bfs raichu at level 24

Your table is kind of hard to read.

I will do a better job of recording tomorrow.

It appears energy does not have a significant effect on helps per time.

[frigid frigate]

45240str/1255min = 36.04780876 str/min for me

lvl 28

[cyan cradle]

Man that is at a rate of 350% of the base help frequency

[frigid frigate]

with helping speed M

[cyan cradle]

This makes me wonder if overflow feeding somehow avoids energy effects and uses a default base help frequency multiplier.

[frigid frigate]

thats my thought

[cyan cradle]

My Raichu does not have any speed bonus

[frigid frigate]

cause i have yet to get 118k in a day (without using whistles) even with cooking added on

[cyan cradle]

Just lvl 24 with BFS and er+/main skill-

[frigid frigate]

mines bfs er+/ing -

[cyan cradle]

Tomorrow I will be testing Jolteon with bfs

See it it obtains the same rate.

[frigid frigate]

im putting spheals in tonight for exp bonus , gotta get ready for snowdrop 🙂

[cyan cradle]

That is kind of crazy that help speed M and 4lvls only makes a difference of 1.2 str/min

I bet my average rate over the entire day will be lower

I will collect another measurement at 8:48.

Ya spheal is a good choice, I love berry ING magnet mon

[frigid frigate]

my other raichus are 16.24 (2 of them) and 16.89 (the other)

str/min

[frigid frigate]

yea its crazy, also my pikachu has helping bonus also

[cyan cradle]

BFS Raichu out performs other mons with favorite berry even when it does not have favorite berry haha

Pretty wild

[frigid frigate]

i was using on taupe and it was doing well haha

[cyan cradle]

Yep same haha.

I pretty much just perma leave it in

[frigid frigate]

ya i think this is way to go with sneaky snacking always unless you need ing for cooking or skill procs, but even without cooking im still higher than i would be with cooking and berries in a day

[cyan cradle]

I wish there was an easier way to count help via manual collection

No waynit maintains a rate of 350% base help frequency all day lol

Overflow makes it easy

[frigid frigate]

ya this is just nuts

[cyan cradle]

Ya the problem with collecting the ingredients is you lose out on a favorite berry drop

Either 2x/3x berry versus 1 ingrediant

It only works out in favor of the ingredient if you get a crit cook for every ingredient used

Obviously that is not going to happen

[frigid frigate]

ya i usually get 1 crit a week hahaha from cooking

maybeeeeee 2

[frigid frigate]

60 mins later

[cyan cradle]

I know people have said the fan timing method does not work but I have had 3 crit cooks this week haha

[frigid frigate]

I have tried that and doesn’t seem to help me haha

[cyan cradle]

I fan rapidly till the bar almost reaches the end, I wait until the bar is a hair away from the end then I fan.

The idea to me is you are theoretically pushing the bar past 100% there by creating a higher chance to crit.

Not sure if it actually helps as I have only started using it this week.

Like I said though I have had 3 crits already in 3 days.

[frigid frigate]

Yea that is pretty good

[cyan cradle]

I just had a lower production hour:

[frigid frigate]

Ya it seems there is some energy degradation but it doesn’t seem like a bunch

[cyan cradle]

Well I had one of these earlier in the day, I looks like I only received 4 helps this hour instead of 6

[frigid frigate]

I also feel some of it could be when the helps proc cause I have had lower procs one hour and next hour it went up

So if you get a proc at say 58 mins vs proc at 62 mins and you check at 60

[cyan cradle]

Ya it looks like the hour measure time sometimes truncates that last help

[tardy dirge]

@willow grove

I can unlock potatoes now

[cyan cradle]

I do find it weird though that help comes in values of 2 only

So if I average the 4 help and 6 help sessions I get on average 5 helps per session.

I still do not think there is significant energy degredation

I will do more calculations on the data once ai get it in a sheet.

Even at the 5 help per hour average that is still 292% of the base help frequency, which is crazy.

[frigid frigate]

Ya I’d agree no significant degradation based on energy

[cyan cradle]

I do not think manual collection follows this rule haha

I honestly can not wait to study night time sneaky snacking, I bet it follows the same pattern of on average 292% base help frequency.

I think all overflow snacking thinks it is night-time snacking and defaults to the highest rate of collection independent of energy.

[frigid frigate]

Ya doesn’t seem so from the research I have seen other put together

[cyan cradle]

Aka it is a bug that I do not want reported haha

[frigid frigate]

Just like the stay in app Berry collecting

That got patch fairly quickly

[cyan cradle]

Ya my extra 2 help came in just a few minutes later

[frigid frigate]

Okay makes sense

[cyan cradle]

Luckily this is a fairly non-intuitive strategy

[frigid frigate]

And without good tracking of data it is hard to show it is better

[cyan cradle]

It makes er- for berry mon a non-issue again haha

[frigid frigate]

And people would probably argue that no ingredients and no skill procs makes it “bad” even though it isn’t at least at this point in the game

[cyan cradle]

So lonely is best in slot with this technique

Well the mons do proc skills

[frigid frigate]

I haven’t had a skill proc all day long

[cyan cradle]

You just click them and don't collect

Really, jolteon just proc'ed and it had full overflow

[frigid frigate]

Damn then I am just having terribleeee luck haha

[cyan cradle]

I will have to watch for this more closely

I will say I do not think Raichu and pika have proc'ed today

They did yesterday though

[frigid frigate]

Ya I’ll keep paying attention on my end

[cyan cradle]

Thanks for the collaboration on this!

Well honestly I am the third wheel here, you and mcmandin started this journey.

He just invited me to participate

I find it odd also that the mons keep perfectly in sync with energy levels

Does helps not drain energy?

Obviously skill activations do not because jolteon has activated twice today and it has the exact same energy as Raichu and pika

[frigid frigate]

It is always nice to have more people conducting the research 🙌🏻🙌🏻

[cyan cradle]

They have 24 right now

It must be time based only

[frigid frigate]

Ya I don’t know if helps drain energy or if just time does it cause it seems to be -1 energy per 10 mins

60 mins later

[tardy dirge]

this is insane

[willow grove]

thats what i was trying to tell you to do the other day

but you have a few mons thats not berry specialists or have berry finder s

[tardy dirge]

yea i dont have any good pikas right now

[tardy dirge]

yea

[tardy dirge]

I need more snoozing to get better quils

[willow grove]

have you unlocked tundra?

[tardy dirge]

my friendship lv with quil is over lv10 so can guarantee a gold

need to try my luck for berry s

[tardy dirge]

6 more

close to unlock tundra but might not go there anytime soon

dont have many mons tbh

[willow grove]

im building my own spheal army fo it😂

#1135459507959496802 message @tardy dirge

im predicting this might get patched

[tardy dirge]

By far raichu is the fastest in berries

[willow grove]

lower help minimum to 1 per interval

[tardy dirge]

spheal is quite slow

[willow grove]

atm its 2 helps for shortest interval which is 5 mins

[tardy dirge]

Walrein base freq is 50

still a bit slow

but already faster than Houndoom

which is 55

[willow grove]

IMO i think for tundra best mon to use short term is vigoroth>houndoom>seleo

ill do test comparing non fave for spheal and slakoth

looking at tge current data it feels like its all about frequency for 24/7 100% overflow

the faster it is the more efficient the overflow is

[tardy dirge]

since ill be staying on taupe for a while, I'm looking to assemble a team of houndooms for snowdrop

I have 2 really good houndoom candidates rn

[willow grove]

i thinks its easier to get 5 vigoroths though

compared to 5 houndooms

and much faster

plus it has faster frequency

the only thing thatll matter is the speed and hope for +speed nature with level 10 or 25 help s/m

@frigid frigate check this strat to get more pichu if you want to keep rerolling for bfs pichu

[willow grove]

#1129035840593608729 message

pichu and rat guaranteed

if you have resources just keep on catching for better rolls to get bfs with speed

[languid locust]

@frigid frigate thx for the data. Pretty certain that sneaky daytime snacking is unaffected by energy now.

[willow grove]

nice

what dish do you have this week?

[tardy dirge]

I have curry

So I can make two more new dishes

I still have no mushrooms yet so still a bit limited

[willow grove]

dreameater?

[tardy dirge]

What’s dreameater?

[willow grove]

https://www.serebii.net/pokemonsleep/dishes/dreameaterbuttercurry.shtml

i dont have camp active but i could make this if i want

needs 55

[tardy dirge]

Ah yes yes

I plan to cook this on the weekend

[willow grove]

same

[tardy dirge]

Double pot would fit

Egg bomb this morning

[willow grove]

i think pot 4 with camp would fit

pot 6 imean

[tardy dirge]

Yea

I’m 6 styles away

[willow grove]

dreameater is thebest one on curries aswell

you dont have 110 styles?

[tardy dirge]

Oh I do

I meant 6 away from 150

[willow grove]

try splitting on 2x power for more encounters

so its technically 2 of your normal strentgh so potentially two 4* guaranteed

[languid locust]

In helps per hour its much more than regular collecting i suppose? With 100% energy i probably could collect 5-6 times an hour. But with 26% not anymore…

00:45 was pika lvl1 help speed
Lvl16 still has 43:39 speed.

[languid locust]

Mcmandin and vellaut. Sneaky snacking seems to not use island bonus, right? > wrong, it does use island bonus.
So you loose a little benefit but still collect a lot faster than 0% energy would.
For strat i would say we could easily collect all when we wake up, the near 100% collection rste in the morning works fast to fill up the inventory again, this way you get some ingredients. Then once at ~80%? Energy your inv is full and you are back to 100% energy collection from sneaky snacking. And do that until next morning

[willow grove]

it does

[tardy dirge]

@willow grove do you know anything on Arcanine’s skill mechanics?

I feel like his skill might be really good late game

[willow grove]

yeah gives help randomly to itself or other allies

I have a decent one but I've only tried it once and didn't focus

#1135459507959496802 message

this was a clip a had way back

apparently it made one of the eevees had extra help

[tardy dirge]

Interesting, I just used a seed on mine, I’ll keep track of how he performs

[tardy dirge]

Also do you know how this extra helpful mechanism work?

[willow grove]

not really I've only seen mine activated it once and I didn't like it at the time

[olive epoch]

And there it is, btw I wasn’t active in this channel in these couple of days, have you guys found something else about the trick and if its really worth it (maybe some strat to optimize the trick)

[willow grove]

slow but BFS do I'm not sure

tried it yet?

have candies for level 10?

[olive epoch]

Don’t have the candy, I tried the trick a few days ago with mankeys and seemed to work in the long run but I noticed that in the morning I would have gathered more berries without the trick maybe(maybe I’m just wrong)

[graceful canyon]

btw on the topic of skill procs, i've been doing this for ~48 hours now, since it was posted about. and i haven't had a single skill proc since inventories got full early on. logging on and clicking every few hours during the day

[olive epoch]

I had the same sensation about the skill procs @graceful canyon

[willow grove]

yeah I currently doing a test and I think it works

will report back after my next check in as I try to time it with the research mails

[cyan cradle]

At starting energy of 100 vs energy at 50 I am still getting 4-6 helps per hour.

I did actually get 5 help last hour which is odd because I thought help for berry mon came in as groups of 2.

@willow grove Did anyone else do the math on average base help frequency for a day?

I did for Raichu and it was 292%

That was only one day of measurements though.

[willow grove]

yeah @languid locust made did some calcs as it may had been from a previous overflow

it's on mathcord

[cyan cradle]

So with a single day of observations it looks like I was getting 292% of base help frequency on average all day independent of energy level.

[willow grove]

vell BFS raichu has an average of 5 helps per hour

[cyan cradle]

Yes, sorry I did not state this.

I am excited to see how jolteon performs and if it is consistent with bfs Raichu

[willow grove]

so it doesn't matter about energy looking at the data as it about the average per hour for each interval

[cyan cradle]

I am about to test a 0 energy pika

If it's inventory would ever fill up haha

[olive epoch]

Do you remember the indecision about this two iggly, what if I made the bfs a jiggly and the other (that prob could benefit more of the skill upgrade) to a wiggly?

[languid locust]

Do you have good camp bonus? What is your island level bonus?

I did calc those away from vellants data and got around 225% after that

[cyan cradle]

Island bonus is 20% and yes to good camp

[languid locust]

This whole strat feels like first release manual collection efficiency, that they patched away. Just even easier xD

[willow grove]

BFS swill always beat a normal one of the same species especially if the berry is fixed to an island like cyan. try using 2 first then maybe both later down the line

[cyan cradle]

So @grim karma has been testing a lvl 12 Bayleaf favorite berry and it is getting between 4- 5 helps per hr (15-12min effective help frequency)! That is 350% to 450% base help frequency with overflow feeding!

[cyan cradle]

I discussed this with mcmandin. What I think is happening is the game does not differentiate awake overflow feeding from sleep overflow feeding.

Sleep overflow feeding I believe is energy agnostic because it assumes your mon is low on energy and therefore gives you a default high help rate.

What the devs potentially did not factor in was people letting their mons overflow in the day. If they treated all overflow snacking the same you are efftively getting sleep rates while you are awake.

I think this level of performance during the day that ignores energy levels is a bug.

However I really do not want anyone to report it.

[halcyon forge]

So we have enough evidence to assume this is the case?

[cyan cradle]

I would say the cause of why awake overflow feeding is 250% to 350% of base help frequency is still up for discussion unless someone has detailed overflow feeding data during sleep that produces the same results.

[languid locust]

I think the same

I collected this morning at 100% energy and emptied my inventories. Now i calc track the mount of helps i get wvery hour until full inventory again. And want to compare to an hour of snacking once full.

[olive epoch]

@willow grove what is the sweetspot you found to split the session in 2 half? Like 15milion each?

[willow grove]

50-50

or close to it

I don't want to min max that hard

I just want to be able to actually to do it irl for consistency and not disrupt my usual sleep

[olive epoch]

I mean what is the minimum drowsy power you are aiming each session?

To get a 4 style for example

[willow grove]

I don't I TRY to get equal amount of encounters

4* is just a extra bonus for me

I WANT more candies for fast level up

[olive epoch]

Yes and I immagine that if you encounter rarer pokemon you have more candies(like evolved one or better sleepstyle like 4star

[cyan cradle]

I have not received any skill activations on mons that are overflow feeding for the entire period of measurement. Anybody have observations that suggest otherwise?

[languid locust]

Same

My pikas normally trigger theirs from time to time, but now not

[round pulsar]

my biggest overnight snack yet

[tardy dirge]

seems like butterfree and raichu are the best for berries

[tardy dirge]

houndour also doing well

[willow grove]

i told you x3 high level NOT FAVE wiki is more efficient than a FAVE low level lum

the bfs one still beats it

[round pulsar]

wiki is fave

[willow grove]

oh was it?

mb

huh so frequency beats higher raw power

how fast is your fidoom again compared to worthy?

thats even with 8 level gap right?

[round pulsar]

52 vs 31 minutes

[willow grove]

oh dang you've leveled both to 25

i thought you had limited candies

did both go to overflow with full limit before sleeping?

im guessing youre going to use a subskill seed once you fidoom gets to level 50 in a couple of months.😂

also thats why butterfree was ss tier on its own WAY back

easy master 1 with overflow method regardless of berries

thats why i wa building that berry account into a full butterfree back then

but i like ingredients more as i see even better potential

im slowly building up 2 types of ingredients team

team mushrooms will be mostly a gengar team

team potatoes will be mostly ingredients magnets s mons

so far mushrooms is winning as theres no good berry specialists apart from butterfree on both teams

mushrooms have a raichu even though its -speed but still fast af

potatoes has a spheal that i keep swapping out so its level isnt that high

[round pulsar]

I got some more FL1 candies, and the new sleep point shop had 3 handy candy M

[round pulsar]

yeah

[willow grove]

youre a dolphin now?

[round pulsar]

I have the premium pass atm

[willow grove]

ah ok

minnow then

[round pulsar]

lol

[willow grove]

am i wrong or still dolphin?

[round pulsar]

wdym

[willow grove]

minnow low spenders

dolphin just membership

whales ssticket

krakkens whistles

i categorise you as a dolphin

gamer lingo😂

[round pulsar]

bro is a marine biologist now

[willow grove]

how did you know

nah just kidding

😂

[round pulsar]

idk, I got tempted by the membership, and the event box, but I don't wanna spend money regularly or buy zzztickets and whistles with money.

[willow grove]

hardcore mobile gamers know what type of player they are

i dont know who started the naming for each group type but its just been what it is for long now

maybe IT was a marine biologist

😂

[willow grove]

thats how they get you got FOMOd in with the event and the time limit of sales

[round pulsar]

yeah

[willow grove]

devs used super rod and baited a lot of players😂

hooked on first bite

😂

do you have 33 pot size or just relying on overflow for strentgh?

[round pulsar]

just overflow rn

idk what I'll do next week tbh

depends on berries

[willow grove]

i might be trying something next week to prove a method that @nova nacelle tested out on alts to get more candies

but it sacrifice a few days in exchange for candies for a specific mon

might be good for a full butterfree team

or raichu

its also the fastest way to farm FL and reroll for multiple bfs berry specialists

if this method is actually beneficial in the long run then itll definitely be patched

you also have a camp active right? @round pulsar

[round pulsar]

yeah

[willow grove]

@nova nebula#1135459507959496802 message

[willow grove]

@blissful kindle start reading from here

#1135459507959496802 message

Read first and see testmonies #1135459507959496802 message

#1135459507959496802 message

[dire hornet]

So it can do skill proc when sneaky snack but if it does it ends up as a glitch??

[willow grove]

idk first time that ever happened that I got on clip

[willow grove]

oh I forgot to flex my new pfp for team potatoes

now each account have their respective team mascot as the leader and pfp

[willow grove]

I needed to use the magnimite skill to fit the 55 recipe

first crit meal on the 2nd best recipe of the game on curries from team potatoes

[olive epoch]

Is victreebel a good Mon in general? Cause I think I have a solid one

[willow grove]

BFS is good but victrebell needs inv m/l

[olive epoch]

Yea it would be awesome but I don’t think I will find a better one soon

How do I recognize the berry findings one?

[willow grove]

you don't

just click for skills as its good for energies anyways

oh you mean how to tell them

[olive epoch]

But the one without berry finding s I want to collect the ingredients/berries

[willow grove]

just name them unique

idk

[olive epoch]

But the name doesn’t appear

[willow grove]

yeah don't know how to tell

unless energies are different

[olive epoch]

Mmmh I piked up some of the berries from one of the two(who has 2 ing ingredients) and left the other full of Berries, next time only one will sneaky snack and I will know who he is ahahah, I will always left one ingrdient on the one without BFS

[olive epoch]

I have probably found the substitute for the 2nd iggly?

But I think the inv ups are so bad on him ahahah

[willow grove]

unless you have enough canides to level 25 then stick with 2 iggly

they're both BFS iggly right?

[olive epoch]

No one is skill m

[olive epoch]

Maybe double sleeping I can make enough candies to evolve them both before the event?

[willow grove]

yes

[olive epoch]

I think I will do it ahahah

[willow grove]

that's actually even better

that's +11 energy when it evolves to jiggly and at level 10

[olive epoch]

Si should it look like something like the first one?

Or should I use him

Maybe as a togekiss

[willow grove]

Im not familiar with how useful toge skill is

does it use team mates skills just just pure random?

[olive epoch]

Pure random I think @willow grove

[olive epoch]

I could just give it a try no other mons evolve withshiny stone so it doesn’t seem to be a waste(he already has 37 hours of sleep)

[olive epoch]

This doesn’t mean that the one with skill level up m is better than that white berry finding right? But that is better e to have one and one than 2 berry finding right?

Just for sure ahahah

[willow grove]

it's better to have 2 energies boost so if one doesn't activate it, you'll still have another one as a back up

[willow grove]

yeah but toge skill is unpredictable

only good for eggs

[tardy dirge]

@willow grove I have unlocked mushrooms

[willow grove]

nice would have better if 60 is oils imo

so you dont need to waste another slot for it

[tardy dirge]

This is good enough for now, I’ll prob get better ones later in the game

[willow grove]

I'll only update important milestones from now on on both accounts

for example team mushrooms made this recipe for the first time. spore salad

I'm near the endgame of making meals now and soon be able to make the ninja salad once my diglett gets to level 30

all thanks to this lineup that gives four 14% extra xp boost

I could even level up this diglett even higher but I'm waiting for the xp patch since it has +XP nature and I'd save 120+ candies

for team potatoes I've already made the best curry recipe which is the dream eater curry and just stocking up on ingredients for Sunday as it needs a 54 size pot. I don't have camp and the cooking skill to be able to take advantage of it during the week #1135459507959496802 message

[olive epoch]

Is it a bug?

[willow grove]

?

[olive epoch]

The fact that candies doesn’t get the exp boost

[willow grove]

yeah but it could go both ways about -xp nature

why it's best to use candies on -xp

asap

not sure when it's going to get patched

[olive epoch]

Oh thx you

[willow grove]

@olive epoch

[olive epoch]

Oh seems like it worked thx

[cyan cradle]

@willow grove @languid locust @frigid frigate Did you see the recent discovery for the correlation between energy and Effective Help Frequency (EHF)?

250% base HF at 100 and 100% Base HF at 0.

https://youtu.be/9pbXct3Z1HQ?feature=shared

Here are my recent results for a 3 hr collection from 71 energy to 53 energy (aveerage energy 62):
Quilava(21)- 3.33 help/hr or 248% EHF
Raichu(28)- 3.67 help/hr or 212% EHF
Marowak(16)- 2.33 help/hr or 220% EHF

Given the linear scale of 100% at 0 to 250% at 100, the expected EHF at 62 energy would be (250-100) * 0.62 + 100 = 193% EHF

If I take the average EHF of the 3 mons above and compare that to the expected linear function for manual collection I get 227% / 193% = 1.18 or 18% performance increase via overflow collection as compared to manual collection.

This does not account for the benefit of berry mons providing 100% of help as berry's which boosts the overall effectiveness.

Before anyone asks because it is numerically convenient... a good camp ticket boosts HF by 20% and the EHF boost from overflow from my data was 18%.
I DID NOT have good camp active.

[willow grove]

yeah ive seen that video being passed around

seems legit

[languid locust]

Yes

[autumn leaf]

Nevermind, I misread what you meant

[crude glade]

This is wild, I thought it was 200% at 100

[crude glade]

jfc

I guess I should have started paying attention to this sooner

[willow grove]

@crude glade well you could have read this guide since the beginning and use it around 2nd week of August after I mentioned it here

#1135459507959496802 message

I even stated that I shared it so players can use it at the time but I guess no one reads.

oh well 😮‍💨

even panders took notice but Im not sure if he actually tried it himself back then

[crude glade]

"no one reads" lmao. Do you have any idea how many messages and ideas flow through these two discords every hour?

Also you alone come up with like one new wacky scheme per day

Sometimes it takes a bit before people can circle back, catch up, and implement

[sterile gorge]

@willow grove

Im so close to potaoes mushrooms and leeks

[crude glade]

You also could have named it something other than "mushrooms v potatoes" and I might have paid more attention 😋

literally playing attention triage over here

[willow grove]

so you're saying I'm a trend setter😂

I just think way ahead than most casual players

[willow grove]

yeah because I'm focusing on cooking now as its not boring imo than just doing the 24/7 overflow method

I'm just comparing which ingredients is the best to unlock first as it can help new players

so far mushrooms is the "best" level 30 ingredients as gengar is too fast and could get multiple cord after reaching CL3

[willow grove]

about 2 weeks for bellsprout and gastly?

[sterile gorge]

Yeah very soon

Also using all candies i get on em

[willow grove]

or you have saved up a bunch of candies

[sterile gorge]

When i have 4 handy candy i share them with each

[sterile gorge]

I have been using them already

[willow grove]

do you exchange sleep points for them?

[sterile gorge]

Yeah

Regular and premium shop

[willow grove]

damn

[sterile gorge]

August 4th i started the quest

Its 1 month and 4 days later

I can taste those potatoes

[willow grove]

mushrooms is much better as you can use it on a 33 recipe if you have salads

and it's one of the best salad recipes

top 3

[sterile gorge]

Very nice

And its on a fast gengar

[sterile gorge]

Yesterday i was seeing you talk about help speed affecting skill triggers because of faster help

I was convinced lol

You also showed me the "if inventory is full you cant get skill procs"

[crude glade]

So I'm actually still not clear

is the overflow strat literally just equip 5 berry mon and stop touching them?

(ignoring the extra exploit, which I'm not worrying about since it'll be gone soon)

[willow grove]

yes not a fan but it's there

better if fave berries with bfs

[crude glade]

Lol wait, it works even without fave berries? I assumed that was required

[sterile gorge]

Overflow happens if youre inventory is full

Doesnt matter is fav berry

But fav berry is way better

Its x2 the berry strength

And if you have berry finder s

Ooof

Even better

[willow grove]

With +speed nature and if level 25 then help M with low limit so it CAN trigger overflow much faster

[languid locust]

For the hands off snacking strat its actually better to catch evolved pokemon so the inventory is smaller. And the skill does not matter when you never trigfer it xD

[crude glade]

What is beneficial about them being full? Does it guarantee berry roll on help or something?

[languid locust]

Sneaky snacking starts happening

[crude glade]

I get that. But if there's no difference between sneaky snacking output and regular output other than ingredient rolls going into the void, what makes the rollover strat of never touching your Pokemon better than just playing a berry team normally and emptying them now and then?

[languid locust]

Because i think sneaky snacking uses full energy efficincy all the time.

You want berries from your berry specialists, so no ingredients is good for them

[olive epoch]

From what I’ve heard the fact is: while the inv is empty your berry mon have 80% chance of giving you berry Thats the thing you want, because it’s dauble the ing strength and triple with bfs if fav berry

• the frequency during sneaky snaking seems to be independent from energy, a little lower than 100% nrg but a lot higher than 50%nrg

[crude glade]

Innnteresting

[graceful canyon]

yeah it also seems to guarantee berry rolls when full inv

[tardy dirge]

@willow grove leek unlocked

[olive epoch]

I wanna see the stats tho, congrats obv

[olive epoch]

Wtf that frequency is too good, I knew it was strong but I didn’t immagine it to be that strong

[tardy dirge]

It’s a Pog dug

[olive epoch]

That’s, that’s fucking good

[tardy dirge]

[olive epoch]

Do you think he’s worth it too?

[tardy dirge]

above avg I would say

[tardy dirge]

cuz sleep exp allows you to lv up him and team faster

good support during sleep

I mean if you just want to unlock leek then just sleep with him everyday

[olive epoch]

Yeah I think I could stand with him

[tardy dirge]

yea

[olive epoch]

Not crazy but solid

[tardy dirge]

yep for sure,

[olive epoch]

I wanted to use it in taupe

[tardy dirge]

def usable in taupe

[olive epoch]

Thx

[tardy dirge]

[willow grove]

shame its just a dugtrio

that 16 limit will easily be filled especially with a fast frequency and multiple ingredients finders

[olive epoch]

He will unlock the inv eventually tho

[willow grove]

just make sure it doesn't go into overflow often

[tardy dirge]

yea but Im not lving up cuz my aim was to just unlock leek. Im not sleeping with him everynight

I have two mons I need to raise rn

[olive epoch]

Guys just to be sure, is sneaky snacking 24/7 affected by the energy of the mons? Is it always been like this? What is the best way to use it? Cause my monster are almost always 100% because of my 4h naps in the evening

[languid locust]

No it collects with higher efficiency not affected by energy

During the time your mons have the least energy is the best time to be snacking

[olive epoch]

Ok so if I have 100% nrg I should play normal and it begin to being good at like 80%nrg the question is if 100% is 2,5x and 80%2,2x what’s the freq during sneaking (so I could make the calc alone without disturbing you) and obv thx for the help

[languid locust]

Snacking matched my tests with 100% a.k 2,5x

[olive epoch]

So if you sneaky snack you literally don’t need to pick up Berries independently of your energy

[languid locust]

You will not get any ingredients and no skill proccs, which both sucks too. So at least some hours normal collecting is better imo

[willow grove]

@willow grove shout out to myself for getting CL4 😂

[tardy dirge]

@willow grove just saw your energy meta, any buffs I could work on?

Crazy energy

[willow grove]

you'd be prefer either +main skill nature with skill trigger

especially since you're a p2w player, you can just buy seeds to level up skill

you can't buy skill trigger seeds

[tardy dirge]

Yea true

[willow grove]

unless improving skill trigger S to m

[tardy dirge]

I will look out for more then

[willow grove]

better to start from iggly for free main skill level and limit

[olive epoch]

In what consists energy meta?

[tardy dirge]

@willow grove show him the vid

[willow grove]

#1136448198689427547 message @olive epoch

[olive epoch]

So basically having a good wiggly to stay above 100% all day?

[willow grove]

yes

max efficiency with help frequency

rivals 24/7 overflow but with skill procs

and ingredients drops

less resource waste as only need 1 or 2 E4A mons to fully utilise with 3/4 other decent mons

[olive epoch]

IMO 24/ is still superior for rough strength because you could have all monster doing it but the other is more sustainable(it is not a bug) and lead to progress with cocking that’s not bad at all

[tardy dirge]

@willow grove question, are you still able to get S in sleep consistency doing 50/50 sleep?

cuz I can only get A

[willow grove]

I get less than that

[sterile gorge]

Shrooms

[willow grove]

nice I think mushrooms on top of basic recipes is the MEAL meta atm

I just need to have a few gastly to level 30 so I can sustuan 3 meals per day

Close to 2 mushroom droppers soon

I could get about 7k per meal if basic apple recipe then the rest mushrooms at 33 size pot

[languid locust]

Mcmandin if you want to make a e4e strategy, maybe try this now:

#1149450822925701272 message

[willow grove]

I'll have a look into it

milestone update on team potatoes got my 3rd level 30

hopefully now I can get lots of cacao

team update for team potatoes

lots of milk

[languid locust]

Yiu use a lot of candies to get them to 30?

[willow grove]

yes sir

that's why I have only 1k shards left

also I rarely change lineup so that's also a big factor

that wiggly is a new addition that's why its only level 19

[languid locust]

These are the once i used, sorted by sleep hours. And i rarely use candies

[harsh dawn]

Hey mcmandin
Does sneaky snacking actually doubles your helps you get?
Like instead of 1 help in 17 minutes normally, I get 2 by sneaky snacking?

[willow grove]

wassup😂

if limits are full and you've just seen a sneaky snacking pop up, the next help for any mons with full limits WILL always be 2 helps regardless of interval

the shortest interval I've experiences myself is around 5 minutes

[harsh dawn]

Oh, I see now
That's what I was experiencing

I am observing my Quilava a lot, and it seems to give me 2 helps everytime

[willow grove]

it's better for fave berry specialists with BFS if you're planning to do 24/7 overflow method

[harsh dawn]

It basically increases your production right, close to double?

[willow grove]

I saw your questions on the other server but I thought other people have answered it already

[harsh dawn]

That was for favourite berry
I didn't understand sneaky snacking properly before observing my mon today

[willow grove]

not even maybe more as you get 100% berry drops

there's a thread about it

[harsh dawn]

Oh, right true

It's very efficient method

Thanks for the help
I am gonna use it 24/7 now

[willow grove]

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no updates recently though

[harsh dawn]

Thanks, I am gonna go through thread to understand more

[willow grove]

Read from where I started to share it again here if you're still not clear #1135459507959496802 message

[willow grove]

milestone update for team mushrooms got my 2nd level 30 and therefore 2nd mushroom dropper

hopefully I can now just use mushrooms as a top up instead of herbs

also was waiting for level 30 diglett but just evolved him now

now I should get more tomatoes much quicker

team update for team mushrooms. lots of herbs and mushrooms along with 56% extra xp boost

[earnest patrol]

Could this mean that berry mons with less storage (like the ones captured fully evolved) are actually better?

[willow grove]

for the 24/7 overflow method yes

low limit will trigger sneaky snacking much quicker

[earnest patrol]

But if we actually prefer less ingredients for a berry mon, could it be actually better in any case? Or is there some kind of loss with sneaky snacking?

[willow grove]

downside is no skills stored if full limit 24/7

since skills are stored and they need an empty limit for one to have lots of help attempts to activate it

[earnest patrol]

Oh! That makes sense! Thank you!

[willow grove]

team update for both accounts no more butterfree on the line up for both accounts ☹️👋bye bye butterfree

for team potatoes I swapped in this wartortle thanks to the candies we got from the devs

questionable but I like more ingredients

for team mushrooms I swapped this haunter in for dater mushroom production but -NRG is kinda making it less efficient

but I like the subskills along with the ingredients drops

[crude glade]

Why would you abandon butterfree this way after hyping it so hard?

[willow grove]

14>8 and wartortle activated it's skill twice so thats 28 compared to 16 if butterfree activated it. plus I'm on cyan so x2 fave berries

I've exchanged these just today

more ingredients = more shards

over 1k shards today is far.

[olive epoch]

I could be wrong but exchanging ingredients for shards is not optimal, we have a lot of shards and Need a lot of snorlax strength, all the ingredients sold could be used for strength( if there are more than you need then more berry finder would be better) 1k shards doesn’t sound that good to me personally

[willow grove]

nah ingredients magnet S mons ftw for this account

[willow grove]

1k shards roughly per day is good especially if you're power leveling when you have lots of spare candies from double sleeping

team update for team mushrooms.

Now I have 2 gengars providing me mushrooms

[willow grove]

IRL team potatoes. Doesn't look appealing as its straight from our garden. Real life victrebell but only gathered 6 of them so it's 1.5 help 😂 @sterile gorge

I don't have anything to show for team mushrooms 😉

[sterile gorge]

Some steamed potatoes

[round pulsar]

Potatoes are real?.?? No way...

[willow grove]

it's from our garden though. We have a few tomatoes plants as well but no leeks to fully represent Victrebell for team potatoes 😂

[round pulsar]

nice

I have a banana tree in my yard, but it hasn't flowered yet

[willow grove]

it's cherry tomatoes though and kinda green when ripe but still sweet

[round pulsar]

home grown tomatoes are usually nicer than bought ones

[willow grove]

I'll show my strawberry hauls when there's a few to represent berry specialists 😂 but there's none in the game

closest is rawst

[fathom mirage]

depend, if you buy them to the right people you can have Roy good one directly taken from the field

[willow grove]

Need to harvest these tomatoes soon since autumn is coming

On the other hand, a few of these strawberries are rotten 😢

and that's all for IRL update of team gardener😂

[sterile gorge]

@willow grove

Its done

[crude glade]

Oh shiiiit

Did you cook each meal?

[sterile gorge]

Not yet

Just need curry week

[sterile gorge]

Missing 2 salads that i will make soon and then its all curries

[crude glade]

Whoa, the game is incredibly unkind to you with that last sleep tip

even I have all of those

Congrats on the rest, though, that's awesome

[willow grove]

What are going to do after completing the notes

[sterile gorge]

Focus on sleep style dex and living dex

[tardy dirge]

holy shit

you have completed notes!!

congrats

[sterile gorge]

"HES DONE IT"

lol

just need recipes

[tardy dirge]

[sterile gorge]

i need to roll a curry week next week

[tardy dirge]

you will get it

just spam ingrdients tickets

lol

[sterile gorge]

also another problem is the 51/52 sleep tips

[tardy dirge]

btw

[sterile gorge]

i will be so mad if i dont get it

[tardy dirge]

how did you lv up poke so fast

[sterile gorge]

sleeping with them everyday

i didnt care for favorite berries or anythinf

i just pushed along sleeping everyday

always used them so they could get candy from being in the team

used every handy candy i got on them

used growth incense on good sleep days

[tardy dirge]

damn...

the long commitment paid off

i just need to find a high lv poke and see if I have enough candies

lol

[sterile gorge]

yeah thats best way for you

if i could i would rush reasearch rank 50 and catch a slowking

but im barely 29

so its quicker for me to level them

[wooden ingot]

Right now Im leveling a victrebell for potatoes. Is worth to start raising a geodude too? And what about raising a Dugtrio and Gengar if they are not really good? Or should I wait for a better one? Specially with a ghost event soon.

[willow grove]

dugtrio is much better especially if you have inv m/L subskills at 10 or 25 with ingredients finder nature as it has double leeks at 30 and 60. same with gengar with double mushrooms

victrebell with potatoes and leeks at 30/60

[wooden ingot]

My victre have not leeks at 60 but I still want to invest on it

And my dugtrio is not evolved but have leeks at 30

[crude glade]

not sure why you said "much better" as none of those directly compete

geodude prints soybeans, which no one else does and I'm assuming is what they're going for there if they already have victreebell for potatoes

[willow grove]

because dugtrio is faster with higher base power ingredients that could be in 30 AND 60 drops. only downsides is -2 limit against a golem and level 20 evo requirement. which is not even that noticeable

[crude glade]

higher base power for sure, but harder to make actual dishes with

I think there's value in both

if they have a good geodude already

[wooden ingot]

This is my Victreebell. Now that Im thinking about it I think it was not amazing but I still liked it. It haves potatoes at both 30 and 60

And I think i got these later but for them I will wait to get better ones and focus mostly on Victree for now. Their natures are all +speed -skill

[willow grove]

It's been a while since I've updated on both accounts line up. Since its the week for the x2 power, I think it the best time to update.

First up is team mushrooms

I have curries this week and I now can make Spicy Leek Curry consistently due to the my current team comp and having a pot size of 33. I have no fave berries this week so we'll see how much strength I'll get this week

The high level gengar has been stuck on level 35 for a few days now due to my rank being lower than research rank 30 as the cap is level 35. Also I have 156% extra xp boost due to me preferring the sleep xp as I don't have to split over candies when I have multiple same species mons in the future like 3+ gengars

Im also capped at island bonus of 40% since I need 15 more styles until I unlock tundra

Next is team potatoes

This account is on cyan with 20% island bonus with 4 fave berry mons but NOT berry specialist as mostly consist of ingredients magnet S mons

due to ingredients magnet procs I can consistently make Moomoo Caprese Salad and just add potatoes as a top up. It's not as high compared to the other account even though the recipe level is much higher

this is due to the higher recipe base power with much higher island bonus as well

both accounts have no camp or premium activated and I'm not planing to use the only whistles I got from milestone rewards to get a high strength this week

I'll be using ALL the strats I've learnt throughout playing since the beginning. even the ones I haven't shared yet

[harsh dawn]

You are using - Speed of Help Wartortle. Why?

[graceful canyon]

it looks like they're using it as an ing magnet spammer

[willow grove]

yes also it currently gives me 14 extra ingredients compared to blastoise with only 11

[willow grove]

skill activations are triggered only if you're mons limit is not full as it stores them as a help. having low limit with fast frequency will fill the limit pretty quickly therefore less activations. this is important especially if you're banking on skills to activate.

I don't open the app as often so it benefits me that this team doesn't go to overflow asap

furthermore having high energy gives you a multiplier for faster frequency and a -10% speed is actually it noticeable when you have close to max energy or even overcapped like this team due to the wigglytuff

I've built my team so it's optimal

I might even replace the blastoise to an even better squirtle as I want double cacao for level 30/60 and not milk for all 3 slots

also it's the energy meta atm. think about it why would devs buff meals and sleep to gain extra energy even if it's in small amounts. they all add up along with even 1 activation per day from a wigglytuff. that's and additional 9+5 energy already. I don't know how much each meal will give you yet

[harsh dawn]

Oh yeah that's true
So you are fishing for more magnet procs and ingredients too

That's interesting

[willow grove]

yes

unless I have inv m/L then I want a +speed

[harsh dawn]

Yeah true
I feel this energy meta
I am also running Sylveon and Leafeon
They keep my team overcharge everytime
It's fun

[harsh dawn]

Yeah true

[willow grove]

your pfp and server name makes sense now🤔

[harsh dawn]

Lol yeah
My pfp is of my Sylveon and Leafeon
They are perma members of my team and never getting replaced

[harsh dawn]

Also, I wanted to ask one thing
Do you actually know a good nature for Bellsprout I can search for?

[willow grove]

+ING nature

I'm actually trying to find an even better bellsprout with potato/leeks at 30/60 with inv m/L at 10 or 25

[harsh dawn]

For down?
ER or Main Skill Chance I guess?

[willow grove]

this victrebell would have been even better if it had leeks at 60

xp since you only need level 16 to evolve and level 60 is soooo far away

to unlock leeks

[harsh dawn]

Oh, true

[willow grove]

I might even get a dugtrio as the other team seems to be doing well with no fave berries

[harsh dawn]

I got leeks at 60 on Chikorita lol

[harsh dawn]

Oh, I see then yeah
That could work

[willow grove]

I'll just do an update with team mushrooms as I think I'll beat my previous good sleep day record of 480k WITH NO FAVE BERRIES

it's only Tuesday evening and I already have 200k+ strength

No camp, premium or whistles used. Just straight up pure raw strength boost from 5 charge strength S mons with high base power ingredients top ups on these 2 recipes

I can't gather leeks as fast as possible for 3 meals of the day so only have to rely on solar power curry and only make the leek curry whenever I can

team potatoes is also 200k+ strength on cyan but that team has 4 fave mons so I'll beat my previous record on that account easily

Close to max 100 energy is the key. either by freezing energy or using the extra pillow from milestone rewards so you start each session with max frequency help multiplier to go to overflow asap if you're planing to sleep for a long time and clearing limits before sleeping hoping to get 5 skill activations after waking up

[willow grove]

I don't need your 4 BFS fave berry specialists strat @round pulsar 😂

this is a more f2p friendly way to get high strength asap in preparation for good sleep day

[round pulsar]

Very cool

[nova nebula]

Oh wow, this is a really cool strategy that I didn’t think of.

@willow grove are all your mons sleep exp at level 10 to speed level?

it would be cool if you could post the nature+skills of the team members youre using for both account

[willow grove]

I do include it in the team update clip for both accounts

So another VERY helpful tip for preserving device battery by minimising app AND locking screen while on a session. This was the MOST efficient session I've had so far with only 24% battery drained from 70% to 46% on just below 8.5 hours session

You just need to adjust your device's settings to look like this

You WILL NEVER have to leave your device continuously charging overnight. You just need to have your device on silent with vibrations on and don't even need the "do not disturb" feature activated as long as you use the settings shown above

updated my server name to include the number of gengars I have on the lineup currently

[nova nebula]

Nicee

Did you aim specifically for 3 gengars, raichu and a diglett?

[willow grove]

yes but I might catch another dugtrio just for leeks at 30

[earnest patrol]

Thank you for all your precious tips

Now I know this big boy is even better than I thought

+SoH and 2 inventory up.

[willow grove]

no problem sharing is caring 😊

[willow grove]

team update for team mushrooms. And then there were 3 💪

[willow grove]

good sleep day update for team mushrooms. You DON'T NEED FAVOURITE BERRIES to get a really high score on greengrass, you only NEED high base power ingredients along with CHARGE STRENGTH S mons and island bonus. I currently have 377k strength which is master 6 on greengrass. No favourite berry was fed to snorlax as a I have 0/225 for the weekly goal. Also only 2 mons friended so far as I'm a f2p player with NO camp, whistles or premium used

Energies and average hours are high due to me using the extra pillows/recovery incenses that I got from milestone rewards along with freezing energies during daytime to get max help multiplier which gives each mons lots of helps per hour thus giving me extra ingredients as seen in my inventory bag

@coarse heron latest strength

[coarse heron]

what’s your other team at?

[willow grove]

just below since its only 20% on cyan but that has favourite berries

[coarse heron]

gotcha, v cool

[willow grove]

so in theory charge strength S is much better especially with high base power ingredients compared to ingredients magnet S with fave berries

I even have a wiggly to get close to 100 energies and sometimes overcap on victreebel but I don't have any of the top 3 ingredients unlocked yet

Sunday will boost my strength even more for both accounts since I saved up LOTS of ingredients for 30+ ingredients recipes on a 66 pot size. without any crits that'll be roughly +50k so I'm expecting to beat my current high score on greengrass

also I'm research rank 30 on both accounts so atleast my mons will still gain xp just before the x3 multiplier for tonights sleep. one of my gengars can actually gain extra xp now after more than a week 😂

[languid locust]

My team is difficult to compare to yours. But my lvl1 charge s toto provide very little. That may be a different thing with higher level and more evolved mons with higher skill chance and help speed.
The magnets are on the other hand providing much strength per procc for me, as my average ingredient value is 108.6 with my 5 options. And if i use my regular dish as basis for dishes with ~lvl25 +11%. 27 pot: so 59% is boosted and the rest uses base value. I get a per ingredient strength of 142!
The graph then multiplies by 6/8/14 depending on magnet level.

First week had 2 totos

[willow grove]

from experience 3rd stage mons gives a higher skill activation rate. might be due to faster frequency tbh

[languid locust]

Yes. Iggly and toto suck at activating

[willow grove]

my iggly didn't activate it's skill after 3 days 😭

[languid locust]

Yes i estimate from my recordings a 0.5-0.8 chance for iggly to procc.
But i know from others wiggly does procc consistently finally

[graceful canyon]

what do you mean by freezing energies btw?

[bitter current]

What does freezing energies during daytime mean?

[willow grove]

@graceful canyon basically either doing 2 sessions. first one with 8.45 hours tracked then second one 8+ hours aswell or leaving your research unfinished in a "limbo" stage

either method doesn't let you activate skills/pick up berries/ingredients so it's better to do 24/7 sneaky snacking (overflow) method with this

you can constantly leave your mons energy at 90+ if you only log in to the app less and feed meals then go to "sleep" asap

[graceful canyon]

oooh right that's a good idea. sneaky snacking is independent of energy anyway right? or was it found to be better at high energy?

[willow grove]

better to use this start with close to max energy first by suing the pillows/recovery incense

[willow grove]

idk I don't actually do it 24/7 over long period of time @round pulsar does it more than me to provide more info about it

[coarse heron]

sneaky snack is affected in the same way normal collecting is by energy in my experience

as someone who did it on a typh all of this week

[willow grove]

Actually have time to update on team mushrooms now

NO fave berries, camp or premium to boost only 40% island bonus. Gengar IS the best ING mon atm

AND I've unlocked Tundra. Will be curious how high I can reach with 39 pot size and desserts as fave dish this week

[gentle echo]

I love the sleep exp team, I’ve been trying to get a few sleep exp on my team. I’ve seen some debate about sleep exp being worthless lol

[willow grove]

MY "playstyle" is different than most people as I like to be the trendsetter 😂

[blissful kindle]

it's very viable if you're f2p or for teams you don't want to invest candies in but still need leveling (ing unlocking for example)

[gentle echo]

Then I’ll be tuning in to this thread for the trends

[willow grove]

I used to update daily but got a bit too much as I posted alot

now I just do it for milestone update

[gentle echo]

The take was that the sleep exp mon is a waste of a slot so you only get 114x5 exp instead of 100x6

[gentle echo]

I’ve been asking people directly what their strategies are so im happy to come in here and read it without having to ask lol

[willow grove]

I could technically run a full sleep xp team but I want leeks and this dugtrio doesn't have sleep xp

I'm debating of getting a glaceon/flareon for this though with skill level S on level 25

[gentle echo]

Do you need leeks for a specific recipe?

[willow grove]

but I have desserts this week on tundra for this account so I changed my lineup a little bit

Team update for both accounts. First is team mushrooms, since I'm on tundra this week and I have desserts, I'll be trying to make this recipe whenever I have enough ingredients

when I don't have enough I'll just make either pure herbs or pure mushrooms mixed recipe with 39 pot size

I did try pure leeks mixed meal but I couldn't gather enough ingredients since I only have 1 dugtrio at the time

with that in mind this is now my current line up

5 sleep xp and I'll be just maxing as much ingredients I can use since I get so many ingredients anyways

[gentle echo]

[willow grove]

mons have low energies since I didn't do limbo as I was testing for base spawns yesterday and I used pillows from milestone rewards to keep them high. that's why I only had a 37 total score for Monday.

first week so zero bonus

NO island bonus or camp active and ONLY 1 fave skill mon.

Meals and charge strength S will be the major factor for my strength this week.

but using limbo should give me close to max frequency from now on

In order to properly do limbo, you MUST NOT CLICK "REVIEW LATER" on this pop up screen @blissful kindle

you can either close the app from this screen or click "START NOW". YOU MUST NOT ALSO GET PAST this screen for it to work properly

You CAN close the app midway through the research stage and it'll keep the data as you've technically finished tracking your session but still have an incomplete research

This'll be the outcome if you do

it's from my ingredients magnet S mons account

that's a sneak peak for the ingredients magnet S line up

I call this method "limbo" as you're in between stage of your research and you still freeze energies but still produce helps at the energy you've slept with. So in theory you can get max help multiplier if you sleep close to 100 or overcharge