#UFO 50

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round creek
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SonicTT16B probably would

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Maybe UTYellow

chrome helm
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Yes, also I have upgraded it to support the sound import from these wwise sound bank that you have seen I. MiniDoom II

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More work doggokek

round creek
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I only found two that I would look at

muted crag
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hmm can't get this one to work. i put the root of the repo into /ports/ufo50/
then move the sh file to /roms/ports/
the log says it can't find love

round creek
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Your folder structure is wrong.

muted crag
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ah thanks sm

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wait i dont see gamedata in there

round creek
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My screenshot is from after first run

muted crag
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gotcha

round creek
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Gamedata folder gets removed after patch

muted crag
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your patcher is cool!

velvet peak
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Jan's patcher
Great graphics, love it so much

chrome helm
dusty holly
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šŸ˜„

muted crag
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i wanna take a swing at porting something. im thinking retro city rampage potentially.

chrome helm
supple sphinx
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Ok so now presently there is another package with the crashing fixed? So I'll do another fresh install.
@round creek let me know if I'm reading the thread correctly before I wipe and re install please

round creek
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Yeah

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The current package is all I can think of for patching atm.

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Some select games with huge rooms have slowdowns, but no prepared method to resolve that.

round creek
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Looks like thereā€™s still a chance of crashing from memory, might need to add flush elsewhere too

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I noticed it most when trying the bottom row of games in chronological filter

surreal gulch
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well i was gonna test on my rgb30, but the battery died 15min into patching, so ill report back in themorning lol

round creek
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I think draw_texture_flush(); could be used in a different spot or in more than one area. We'll see how current tests go.

supple sphinx
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The last build wouldn't load or patch for me. Immediately crash out. RgSp MuOs

round creek
supple sphinx
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Um. Yep that seems to work. The patching started. It says this time 10 minutes. So estimated less time huh?

supple sphinx
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I got the game to crash after playing 6 or 7 games when loading a new game up with the latest build. Performance seems to be getting better since the first one

round creek
supple sphinx
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The start button is now bonked up. It like double inputs. Select works instead now tho. Funny

round creek
round creek
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GMLoader got an update and it can now run GMS 2024.6+!

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Some bad news: audio system got changed, so there's currently no audio playback and compression corrupts the datafile.

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I got UFO 50's latest steam version to boot on rg552, so I know which runtime it uses.

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Layman's terms: we can get the latest working, after we make some futher adjustments to our wrappers and tools.

rich beacon
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10-4 thanks for the updates

supple sphinx
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Powkiddy X55 has 2gb of RAM apparently. UFO plays amazingly on it. The screen aspect seems to be made for this machine. Also with the RAM boost it seems to play smoother than RgSp

round creek
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So...I guess this is in a releasable state?

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Old version, but playable.

surreal gulch
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Lemme check latest patch on my rgb30 real quick

willow pebble
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does it need a more powerful device to be playable? ie beter than rg35xxh/sp?

surreal gulch
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So far, general performance seems fine. It's actually surprisingly playable even small on the RGB30 screen. However the velgress slowdown is still present. Campanella 2 also froze for a couple seconds at startup, but played perfectly fine.

round creek
surreal gulch
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Yeah the strange part is velgress becomes full speed and stays full speed after you pass exactly the 12m mark

round creek
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12? As in minutes?

surreal gulch
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Meters, the game has little markers in the side of the wall to tell you your progress

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As soon as you pass 12 on the rgb30, all the slowdown disappears

round creek
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The room probably deletes itself as you go up I assume

surreal gulch
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Would make sense

round creek
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Velgress isn't called Velgress internally, so it's hard to find.

surreal gulch
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Looks like planet zoldath is also doing poorly, still moving at a snails pace.

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Oh it actually just crashed

surreal gulch
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It's game 7

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Planet zoldath might be "zold" and is game 8

round creek
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You're doing a wiki for ufo 50 right?

surreal gulch
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Helping with it a bit yeah

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I guess I picked bad games to start with and got the wrong impression, as ninpek, game 3 "Ninj", is also at a crawl

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This game might just need more ram

round creek
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Every game you've picked so far has a huge room.

surreal gulch
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Lol

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I can't help that they're the ones I enjoy

round creek
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For example

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Ninpek

surreal gulch
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Geez

round creek
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They're all the internal names, so you'll have to sort them.

surreal gulch
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Mini and max has locked up after the first use of the mechanic, no surprise there as it's mostly an open world type game

round creek
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...I think I will mark this as a 2GB memory req.

surreal gulch
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Yeaaaah

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The fact it works at all is an achievement

round creek
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It's a real shame the trimui smart pro won't get 32bit drivers anytime soon, otherwise it might be my go-to.

surreal gulch
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would it be possible to get that as a 7z or rar? my computer i not happy with these

round creek
surreal gulch
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would it be possible to do the same for sprites? would be good to have those full quality

round creek
round creek
supple sphinx
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Testing with my X55 I played about 10 or 12 games with no crash. I can't know if it performed perfect. But some of the ones that chug on RgSp definitely played better. It was kinda sweet actually

supple sphinx
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No Porgy. It crashes

round creek
round creek
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I donā€™t think Iā€™m prepared to dive into the advanced room optimization this game needs. Itā€™s a good opportunity to explore the inner workings, but I donā€™t know nearly enough about gms to do what it needs.

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Some of it should be done at the project level too. Split rooms into smaller rooms etc.

supple urchin
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that seems daunting to rework multiple completely different games to do that

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i can't blame you

round creek
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The games already deactivate instances when out of view. Thereā€™s a threshold value for that, too, so if I were to have a ā€œnext stepā€ action plan it would be tracing the code to find out where, when, and how this is all done.

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I have a vague understanding of how gms processes games via draw, step, begin step, end step, and alarms.

supple sphinx
round creek
supple urchin
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wrt running it on a raspberry pi, i was mistaken and the hardware doesn't fully match those of a handheld- the GPU is a videocore4 instead of anything mali. this might be the source of the extremely poor performance despite the CPU core being the same as H700

round creek
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Aha yep your vram is tanked

supple urchin
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well the split i have right now is 256mb VRAM 768 RAM

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regardless framerate is just very very low

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seems like EGL performance is just crap on these machines, nothing to be done

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i think the CHIP (singlecore AllWinner R8, 512MB RAM, Mali 400) runs emulators better than it ha ha

chrome helm
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Emulators run pretty well on a raspberry pi 3/4 with recalbox

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Just donā€™t go over ps1

supple urchin
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there's old wives tales about how fkms performs better than kms and that may or may no longer be the case since 2017 or so but i can't test because switching to fkms the hdmi display i have simply doesn't get any output

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it's possible game-oriented OSes like recalbox are doing a better job pushing the hardware than a simple dietpi installation. i can't seem to tune this thing to perform well no matter what

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(i'm just reporting what i'm seeing - not particularly asking for help or anything, i wanted to try playing UFO 50 on the dumb little machine i'm building is all. this is outside the scope of this project and portmaster as a whole and i understand that)

round creek
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Homebrew takes inspiration from other homebrew šŸ™‚

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Gmloader was born in part from the psvitaā€™s yoyoloader.

supple urchin
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i might just replace the rpi3 in my project entirely lol. turns out there's rpi zero-footprint clones on AliExpress using RK3326 soc

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could be interesting to play with

high oriole
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yoyoloader/gmloader are separate projects, despite sharing some code due to cross-contributons

high oriole
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SDL2 w/ KMSDRM offered much better performance

supple urchin
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if i force gmloadernext to pick that video driver i can't get anything to show up

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if i run it on a tty outside x it shows, but wrong orientation on the display and no keyboard input

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though the framerate looks no different from x11, judging just by the intro (since i can't skip it)

chrome helm
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On raspi os there seems to be Ā«Ā Raspi-Config -> Adv -> OpenGL Accel -> KMS (Full)Ā Ā»

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Also Ā«Ā Yeah this works fine on Arch where SDL2 has KMS/DRM enabled.Ā Ā»

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It seems that sdl2 on raspberry pi os isnā€™t build with kms drm support

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But on arch it is

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I know Linux Manjaro runs well on a raspberry pi 4

high oriole
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I had to manually build SDL2 last time I used it on the pi

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:/

round creek
chrome helm
supple urchin
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on dietpi the standard sdl2 instal shows kmsdrm as an available video driver, i can use it from tty but ufo 50 in particular does not seem to perform any better that way (and i can't check anything past the faux cracktro because for some reason outside x11 it doesn't seem to take any keyboard input)

round creek
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Audio group 12 -> Loading...
Decoding ogg bgm10_aftermath.wav ...
Decoding ogg bgm10_boss.wav ...
Decoding ogg bgm10_dark.wav ...
Decoding ogg bgm10_intro.wav ...
Decoding ogg bgm10_stage01.wav ...
Decoding ogg bgm10_stage02.wav ...
Decoding ogg bgm10_stage03.wav ...
Error: Audio group for bgm10_intro (12) is not loaded
/mnt/sdcard/ROMS/Ports/UFO 50.sh: line 61: 27985 Segmentation fault      ./gmloadernext game.apk

Hmm

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According to utmt all the audo is playing correctly even when patched

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Realigning the audiogroup in utmt and saving it causes sound to not play, which gets the game to load...but it immediately crashes.

supple urchin
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not sure why running through X11 gives keyboard input but from tty it doesn't, maybe a uinput thing.

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ah, input was simply sudo addgroup dietpi input. progress!

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big games don't seem to crash (so far) but they do take a long time to load between screens. with enough patience i can boot up and play mini and max which is one of the largest games

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let me try porgy

round creek
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Porgy crashes on rg552 (4GB ram) as well, this could be a game fault from v1

supple urchin
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i don't think mine has crashed since i haven't been sent back to terminal but it doesn't seem to be loading either. just stuck there

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ah no it did crash, but left me with a stuck screen

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so i suppose that confirms that

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interesting how mini and max seems to run ok here, 768MB RAM

round creek
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// User Configurable:: Atlas page size and item padding
var pageSizeWidth = 1024;
var pageSizeHeight = 1024;

var padding = 1;

// User Configurable:: Dimension cutoffs (gets thrown off the atlas pool)
var maxDims = 256;
var maxArea = 256 * 128;

In NewTextureRepacker I can configure these...I think I'll play with them and see if anything runs better.

supple urchin
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don't think ram limit is the (only) issue

round creek
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I just can't gdb it, don't know how. There's an example on gmloader-next repo but I couldn't understand it.

supple urchin
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gdb is confusing and i had to use it in a professional capacity :B

round creek
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Never save utmt data over samba

round creek
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Porgy is supposed to start an intro sequence but it skips ahead to the start of the level...

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@high oriole Does gmloader-next have the ability to parse json files?

round creek
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Well, wait. These json files are encoded.

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I wonder if that's a problem.

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The json files are base64 encoded.

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Looks like they include text for the menus as well, which would mean they are correctly decoded and working. Porgy's crash must lie elsewhere.

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Note for others: Porgy's code is in gml_Object_o10_Game*

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[ALSOFT] (EE) Wait timeout... buffer size too low? Got this on a crash after exiting to library after a few games.

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Anyway, I made a few adjustments and committed them. First, I changed the texture page size to 512x512 (from 1024x1024) which seems to have sped things up a tad for 1GB. Second, I added a texture flush to the library create event, so hopefully it's guaranteed to run every time the user exits to library.

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@terse heron With this it does seem like Ninpek is running slightly faster. @surreal gulch You might want to try a fresh build and see if Velgress fares any better.

surreal gulch
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Will do šŸ‘

round creek
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Porgy: Using existing savedata also causes a crash, so it's nothing specific to the intro sequence. Something with the room.

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gml_Object_o10_eBossShark_Create_0 (line -1)gml_Script_instance_create (line -1)gml_Script_scr10_ResetBossesgml_Object_o10_Game_Step_2ERROR in
action number 1
of Create Event
for object o10_eBossShark:


path_get_point_x argument 1 incorrect type (background) expecting a path
at gml_Object_o10_eBossShark_Create_0

This is not a problem when running the depot on pc, but it is also not a problem with gmtools--I tested with an unmodified data.win

round creek
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Maybe it's the wrapper...

round creek
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Yep.

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Porgy gets fixed if using a 2024.4 wrapper. Previously was using a 2024.2 wrapper. Problem is no audio output.

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The current repo will not have the new wrapper until gmloader-next has audio implemented.

high oriole
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that's something libyoyo has to do somehow or the game

terse heron
round creek
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Since utmt isnā€™t working with the latest, I canā€™t tell if the newer ufo50 updates use the YYC compiler. I suppose Iā€™ll know when I try to boot it.

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Iā€™m not sure I like the look of it though.

high oriole
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12mb .exe for a game with a lot of code

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looks VM to me

round creek
# high oriole looks VM to me

Fingers crossed. One of the downsides to being open source and publishing things on social media is a risk the developer decides to switch to yyc, Donā€™t think weā€™ve ever been a direct reason for that, but I have my suspicions re: Fields of Mistria.

high oriole
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ehh I mean, better that they know this is a thing one way or another

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I'd rather know they are fine with it than do it hidden etc

round creek
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GameMaker themselves seem fine with it so far (theyā€™ve interacted with me)

high oriole
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I mean, what I'm doing is providing an alternative way to do something they already sort of provide?

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e.g. runners for SBCs

round creek
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ā€¦and by that I mean I retweeted something of theirs, said we have 200+ gms ports on linux arm via PortMaster, and gave a website link and they liked it.

high oriole
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just mine is OpenGL ES + SDL2

dusty holly
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and better

high oriole
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a bit buggy tho :p

dusty holly
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eh, those will iron out haha

high oriole
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running into the weirdest shit, muOS+GMLoader crashes if I don't load openal despite not using it at all

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LD_PRELOAD=libopenal.so.1 ./gmloader = no crash

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some stack smash situation, so a lot of fun to debug...

round creek
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Wow, is that for old gmloader too?

high oriole
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unsure

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unsure if the corruption is coming from audio thread etc

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it's really fucking weird

round creek
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#lounge-dev message

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A 32bit gmloader port suddenly wanted libopenal

high oriole
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that's expected

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libopenal was mandatory

dusty holly
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They need openal, but all cfw's have it

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But i guess not

high oriole
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the way it worked before is that I would just hook every single fucking openal symbol in libyoyo.so with the system's OpenAL

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and then patch out a few inconsistencies

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now I'm trying to actually get the provided OpenAL implementation to work as-is

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it does work, but this crash is an interesting curveball, and the forced 22050 is annoying

round creek
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UFO 50's latest version does boot, and has audio! The only roadblock now is UTMT, which I'm reliant on for the xdelta updates. Since xdelta works by matching md5sum, I have to recreate the patch. I can't do that if I can't open the data file and make the modifications.

round creek
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Aw it crashes while idling in the menu

# 
**********************************.
Entering main loop.
**********************************.
Finished BeginToEnd, default frame buffer is: 0
MANUFACTURER = JohnnyonFlame
Controller 'Deeplay-keys' assigned to player 0.
Audio group 1 -> Loaded
BUFFER SURFACE CREATED, 640, 432
BUFFER SURFACE CREATED, 640, 432
Decoding ogg bgm00_boss02 ...
Decoding ogg bgm00_cracktro ...
Decoding ogg bgm00_libraryGarden ...
Decoding ogg bgm00_libraryInfinity ...
Decoding ogg bgm00_libraryNormal ...
Decoding ogg bgm00_lonestar_stingTitle ...
Decoding ogg bgm00_stingLX ...
Decoding ogg bgm00_stingTitleA ...
Decoding ogg bgm00_stingTitleB ...
Decoding ogg bgm00_stingUFOSoft ...
Audio group 2 -> Loaded
LOG[yoyo]: m_pJavaVM was null for OGG thread

LOG[yoyo]: m_pJavaVM was null for OGG thread

GOLD/CHERRY WINS:, 0, 0
Creating Pet Garden!
Attempting to check for achievements...
Checking for achievements...
Number of games played: , 0
SCALE, 2
BUFFER SURFACE RESIZED, 384, 216
BUFFER SURFACE RESIZED, 384, 216
RIGHT, 3, 3, 8, 0
RIGHT, 3, 1, 8, 0
BUFFER SURFACE RESIZED, 640, 432
BUFFER SURFACE RESIZED, 640, 432
BUFFER SURFACE RESIZED, 384, 216
BUFFER SURFACE RESIZED, 384, 216
RIGHT, 4, 1, 8, 0
BUFFER SURFACE RESIZED, 640, 432
BUFFER SURFACE RESIZED, 640, 432
BUFFER SURFACE RESIZED, 384, 216
BUFFER SURFACE RESIZED, 384, 216
BUFFER SURFACE RESIZED, 640, 432
BUFFER SURFACE RESIZED, 640, 432
RIGHT, 3, 1, 8, 0
RIGHT, 3, 1, 8, 0

Oh they're doing something funky with buffer surfaces. I guess that's the scaling logic at work.

round creek
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<@&1216123318122577972> The github repo has been updated. You still need to use the old game assets, but now we use the correct wrapper 2024.4, which means Porgy should no longer crash. A new gmloader has also been added which better organizes things by keeping game assets inside the gamedata folder. There is a small audio buffer glitch that might not be too noticeable, but gmloader will be updated at least one more time before this gets pushed to release. Thank you all so much for bearing with me and testing!

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Massive thanks to @high oriole and @chrome helm for their efforts this week in improving gmloader to make modern GameMaker ports function!

chrome helm
supple urchin
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awesome stuff, in a few days i should have a proper handheld that isn't a raspberry pi to test it out :]

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i still want to help with the scaling stuff, i believe i should be able to mod the settings screen... just have been busy with other things

round creek
supple urchin
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i remember you changed the strings, but a integer scale option would be nice, unless you got to that too?

round creek
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Not specifically, but I thought the game already did that. Maybe not.

supple urchin
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nope, the pixels are all uneven

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i know what to change in the scale code i made to do it

trim mauve
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So is the general opinion that 1GB devices arenā€™t going to be able to run this thing

round creek
trim mauve
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Cool šŸ˜Ž

round creek
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Welp thereā€™s a pr on utmtā€™s repo and itā€™ll load ufo50. Guess Iā€™m doin ports tonight.

surreal gulch
round creek
supple urchin
round creek
kindred void
surreal gulch
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Surprisingly, for how many I have, I haven't made that mistake yet

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I was going to try this game, but judging by jeods tales, I think it's probably good he beat me to it.

round creek
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This one practically required having such connections.

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Weā€™re also not out of the woods yet.

surreal gulch
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Yeah I wouldn't have even entered them if it were me lol

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I barely figured out opening the fuckin .win file

chrome helm
surreal gulch
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Yeah I may have tried that.....šŸ˜“

surreal gulch
supple urchin
round creek
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Ok, the newest version no longer maintains aspect ratio.

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Both modes fill the screen, the maintain aspect ratio overscans.

chrome helm
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You could locally make a git repo of the gml code and commit the two or three releases to see the changes

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I mean every changes šŸ˜

round creek
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I fixed it

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<@&1216123318122577972> New commits! Gmloader can use 2024.8, and a UTMT pull request was able to open the game and add the patches, so I made a new xdelta too! I have the latest Steam data running on my RG40xxH currently. Porgy loads.

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If you don't mind please grab the latest from the repo and try it out! šŸ™‚

surreal gulch
round creek
surreal gulch
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also a neat find i made thanks to jeod and another user on the fan discord that has no practical use ||theres a variable called global.arcadeCabinetMode that you can toggle in gml_GlobalScript_scrInit and if you rebuild the .win it puts the game into a pseudo arcade/kiosk mode||

surreal gulch
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thanks for all your work

round creek
surreal gulch
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oh no way, nobody had found that yet

round creek
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Really?

surreal gulch
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yeah

round creek
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I saw it and figured folks already knew about it.

surreal gulch
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nope, howd you notice?

round creek
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I went digging in the datafile with utmt last week remember?

surreal gulch
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no i mean, i dont see it interpreting launch args, unless im blind

round creek
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Gmloader can't interpret launch args

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But I saw -arcade in the init script and knew it was a launch option.

surreal gulch
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oh duh, i see it now

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literally two lines down from where i was looking

surreal gulch
round creek
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Yeah very spoilery

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I specifically didnā€™t go looking for terminal codes

surreal gulch
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theres nothing to find that hasnt been documented, the game seems to actually generate at least 1 known code per save, so its not sitting around in plain text for the important stuff

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in regards to terminal codes at least

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i got put on the scent of arcade mode because i was talking with someone poking at it and they found a code that didnt do anything, and i found it works in arcade mode

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(turns the settings menu back on)

small eagle
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Hey just noticed this. I was wondering, if this was possible, because it would be perfect for handheld. Thanks @round creek ! Now to read through all this and figure out why the latest steam version doesnt work on my rg35xx h with the latest muos test release :D. I havent done even basic diagnostics, so cant say if it is just me. I intend to try to run it through ssh first, because Im not even getting any log.txt

round creek
small eagle
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Ill get back to it soon. Thanks!

small eagle
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Oh yeh, this launches. That patcher is funny šŸ˜„

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I need to figure out how that works for my Axiom Verge 2. (It is not dead, Ive just done a couple of optimizations with mixed results. I hate ARM gpus)

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Oh wait.. is that a diff patch? NICE :D.

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Wait, is the diff patcher the reason for the PM update?

vagrant pulsar
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Not the only reason

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šŸ˜„

small eagle
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Im really happy to see PM getting better and better. I wonder if the speculated proton for arm 64 is going to be a thing. Based on Wine + box64 and not just Wine? Maybe?

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@vagrant pulsar Is the patcher animated by pallet cycling, or is that just a gif?

vagrant pulsar
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Neither šŸ˜„

small eagle
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By friendship and happiness?

dusty holly
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Made it in aseprite, then just render it with love2d

small eagle
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just flipbooking then, ok šŸ˜„

dusty holly
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Basically just how every 2d game does its animationsšŸ˜„

small eagle
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I have my small wish project for handhelds after AV2, where I try to make a very simple, but heavily optimized opengl engine with focus on 2d and palette swapping animation

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yep

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classic, modern approach

small eagle
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Bug Hunt works fine

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So thank @round creek this is already basically what I wanted šŸ˜„

round creek
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I'll playtest a few more games later and then I think it might be time to release this one. Gmloader does need a couple edits, so I'll see if I can add those in before the push to release.

chrome helm
round creek
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Anyone wanna give it one last arkos test?

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@trim mauve FYI this is in a releasable state now and is good for 1GB devices (at least for H700, tested with rg40xxh)

trim mauve
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Sick!

willow pebble
round creek
willow pebble
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welp looks like I'm gonna have to pick this one up on steam šŸ˜›

round creek
round creek
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Save transfer should be fine as well

kindred void
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šŸ¤Æ

trim mauve
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Oh saw you just said this

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sorry

supple urchin
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which version of utmt should be able to open the new game.droid?

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i want to poke at the settings screen

round creek
supple urchin
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ty

round creek
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It's a bit buggy and has potential to corrupt some stuff when it saves, so make backup copies of things.

supple urchin
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gotcha

supple urchin
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hm is there an easy way to test this out on a windows machine without having to bring it up on my raspberry pi?

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i've made changes to the scaling and menus

round creek
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Rename it to data.win, backup the original, and put it in the ufo50 folder for steam

supple urchin
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ah so it should still run with the windows runtime

round creek
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Yes

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Same version

trim mauve
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should i hold off on installing this version? is there some kind of scaling update coming thru?

supple urchin
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i just wanna add integer scaling as an option

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won't affect much if you don't want that

trim mauve
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oh i would prefer integer scaling so I'll hang out

supple urchin
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hm, problem is it runs in fullscreen on 1080p so all the options do the same running it on this screen : ^)

trim mauve
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hmmm my install failed on arkos, i just got kicied back out to the OS menu let me see what I did wrong

round creek
trim mauve
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Do I still need to include the UFO 50.sh file in my ports folder? Because I did that

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I tried again and am still getting kicked back to arkos hm

round creek
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You need to open portmaster app and in the options menu there switch your branch from stable to beta

trim mauve
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ok

supple urchin
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Memory allocation failed: Attempting to allocate 18446744073275342480 bytes
i need 18 exabytes of ram to play ufo 50 šŸ˜°

trim mauve
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lmao

trim mauve
round creek
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So if you're already on beta, upload your patchlog.txt file

trim mauve
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oh i toggled on experimental ports

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and now i'm getting the loading screen nice

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i also was asked to update portmaster

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so that might have been what fixed it up

round creek
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@supple urchin Did integer scaling, tested, and they sent their modifications over so I'll add them to the xdelta tonight and commit that.

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Since xdelta happens before audio compression this means re-doing it. Sorry!

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You can speed it up by only copying the data.win to the gamedata folder and ignore copying audiogroups over, then delete patchlog.txt

supple urchin
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was about to say lol

round creek
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So to reiterate, assuming you have a working ufo50 port:

  • Audiogroups are already compressed and inside game.apk
  • Data.win needs xdelta reapplied, so copy original data.win to ports/ufo50/gamedata
  • Delete gamedata/game.droid and patchlog.txt
  • Launch the game, ktool will perform the changes required on data.win and not have to recompress audiogroups

Follow the above steps whenever a new xdelta is committed and it'll all be much faster. šŸ™‚

willow pebble
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I assume to test the most recent version of this I use the files from your github?

round creek
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Yep, I'm about to do the new xdelta

willow pebble
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should i wait for that then?

round creek
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Yeah it'll be a few more mins

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Dammit now I have to look up what anime that is

velvet peak
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Its in the Tenor gif link, Gintama.

round creek
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Samurai vs aliens, sweet.

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Thanks.

round creek
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I'm guessing not.

SOND entry 0000: {'name_offset': 54134548, 'name': 'bgm00_alpha_end', 'flags_raw': 103, 'flags': {'isRegular': 1, 'isCompressed': 1, 'isEmbedeed': 1}, 'type_offset': 0, 'type': '', 'file_offset': 54134568, 'file': 'bgm00_alpha_end.wav', 'effect': 0, 'volume': 1.0, 'pitch': 0.0, 'audiogroup': 2, 'audiofile': 0, 'audiolength': 31.5, 'rebuild': 0}
Error opening file //mnt/sdcard/ports/ufo50/gamedata/audiogroup2.dat
Audio compression failed.
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Looks like for now we do have to go through the whole thing. I know he made some special way to get around it, but imo it would be easier to tick the data.win flags first and then do the compression part.

round creek
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Commit is live

willow pebble
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Do I just install it with the portmaster autoinstaller?

round creek
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That could work I think.

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Maybe.

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I dunno actually. I just place files manually.

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Lol integer scaling on 640x480, guess it can't actually scale to 2x though at that res.

muOS_20241005_1930_0.png
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Too bad I couldn't figure out the crt shaders.

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Tested integer scaling on 1920x1152 and it works perfectly.

nocturne trout
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Will this require a device with more than 1gb of RAM?

round creek
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I took that requirement off, I'm running it fine on rg40xxh which is 1GB.

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I shrank the texture pages to 256x256 doggokek

willow pebble
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I'm patching

loud sky
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Do the trouble games run better on 1GB now?

willow pebble
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guess I didn't place the boxart in the right spot as its not showing but other than that so good so far

round creek
loud sky
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Nice

supple urchin
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but it will work nicely on my 1280x480 ultrawide cyberdeck since 216 (the height) * 2 is 432

round creek
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Good thing there are three options.

supple urchin
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on a 1280x720 screen it'll scale to 3 with minimal borders

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on desktop ufo 50 you can only get integer scale there if you manually set the scale factor instead of setting it to fill

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my code is smarter and picks the scale automagically :^]

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(floor(scaleFactor), very smart)

round creek
willow pebble
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everything seems good on ArkOS rg353v

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which ones are the hard to run ones to try out on the rg35xxh whenever it finishes patching

round creek
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Ninpek, Velgress, Zoldath

willow pebble
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they seem to run the same on the 35xxh on knulli

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I can't tell the difference playing them side by side

surreal gulch
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Like maybe I'm crazy, I'll try wiping the folders and copying the new repo in one more time, but it seems roughly the same, besides zoldath not outright crashing

round creek
trim mauve
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Everything I tried was running slow on RG351v

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Do I need to change anything to 1x again maybe?

surreal gulch
willow pebble
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guess I should try these on my pc to see how they are supposed to run lol

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oh yeah they are definitely running equally slow on both devices šŸ™‚

round creek
willow pebble
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I did not sleep much last night and the kids have been in quite the mood today, brain not working at max capacity

surreal gulch
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Hung on exit, but that could be an anomaly

round creek
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I think I've done all I can though. On the H700 soc those games seem to run at 30-40 fps, which is ofc slower than the 60 fps stable you expect on pc.

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You could check the patchlog.txt too and verify the xdelta and compression was successful.

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Tell es to use less vram too

willow pebble
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I guess the rk3566 isn't much different

surreal gulch
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Having trouble finding a setting for that

round creek
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It's been a while since I used es...uh, system settings or developer tools?

surreal gulch
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Not seeing that unfortunately

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I would test ArkOS, but it just won't boot on my device

surreal gulch
round creek
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Has to be a vram issue

rich beacon
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This is live full release already? You are madmen and madwomen

round creek
vagrant pulsar
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First port to be released with the new port stuff too once its approved.

round creek
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I guess Iā€™ll go update the launchscript for those

vagrant pulsar
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yeah i gotta look at them. Got distracted with other stuff this arvo.

civic yacht
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Iā€™ll rework and PR jetlancer thereafter :p

small eagle
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Hey guys, are any of the games still untested? If it helps, I might take a look at them later.

terse heron
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How are we looking for slowdown?

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Looks like yā€™all made some modifications

round creek
terse heron
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Looks like the group has worked on gmloader next a bit? Iā€™m wondering if it would change anything for void stranger

round creek
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Existing ports won't have a performance boost, all of the changes aside from gamedata are helpful for 2024.4+ wrappers.

surreal gulch
round creek
surreal gulch
terse heron
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So it looks like the patch now works with the latest steam version?

round creek
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Yep

terse heron
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Significant slowdown on warp tank also on h700

Anyone else getting significant audio latency when selecting options in the menu?

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I donā€™t remember this happening originally

round creek
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Hm Iā€™ll have to try

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If youā€™ve been testing other ports try a system restart

terse heron
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Will do

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Itā€™s a minor thing

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This is the week I can try to potentially help with some patching for slowdown

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Congrats on release though

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Iā€™m sure it runs well on even slightly faster handhelds haha

supple urchin
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i will mention that it's probably none of what's been noted so far, but, UFO 50 does have a few spots in a few games that do artificial slowdown in order to feel like an authentic old game

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i think in the shmups mostly

terse heron
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Ninpek runs slower than a modern game by default for sure but I didnā€™t notice any slowdown on pc

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Any idea which games?

supple urchin
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not off the top of my head but i think it's easily searchable in utmt

terse heron
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Whatā€™s crazy is that star waspir seems to be almost full speed

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Must be because of better memory management/not loading the entire game as a single room

surreal gulch
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so manually setting a vram limit for es didnt help, but i have a hunch, so im setting up an entirely blank sd card except for portmaster and ufo50 rto see if my library size could be causing high ram usage

hybrid delta
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so would this run ok on RPI4?

surreal gulch
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okay at this point im out o things to test i think, even a blank fresh sd card with only portmaster and ufo50 was slower than it should be

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everything is at least playable, just dissapointed

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its entirely possible im just the exception

hybrid delta
hybrid delta
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ah RGB30

supple urchin
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using default KMSDRM it's too slow

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on dietpi for reference

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keep in mind to run this on pi without portmaster it takes doing a lot of things by hand - patching the files and tweaking the run settings in the main script

round creek
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Anyone with a bluetooth controller wanna connect it and see if you can do 2 players on this port?

supple urchin
#

the back of the box says my R36S has WiFi and Bluetooth, wonder if that's a misprint or they updated it to have it, listing didn't mention anything

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if it has Bluetooth i can try it

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right now i have lost it to my partner playing Tetris on it so don't expect that so soon :]

round creek
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The most useful thing these handhelds have done for multiplayer is connecting with my spouse in Stardew Valley. We took a vacation a while back and I set up SDV on two of them, and imported our PC save. On the trip, hooked them both up to my phone hotspot and we just kept going like nothing happened, then when we got home imported the save back to PC.

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Great for the kids to join in, too. They have a much easier time playing on these than on a computer at their age.

supple urchin
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i asked her if she wanted one and she didn't because she already has her DS, and yet now here we are :p

round creek
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I don't even use my 2ds anymore despite it being homebrewed

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Waaay more flexibility here

vagrant pulsar
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2ds/3ds really lacks power too.

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Can barely do psx emulation.

supple urchin
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so likely won't have Bluetooth either

vagrant pulsar
round creek
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Ah yes the good old days. I started with a RG351p and later soldered a WiFi card into it.

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And now I have anchor arms and everybody loves me.

supple urchin
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i wasn't expecting it to have WiFi, i just thought the back of the box was weird. the other specs match

chrome helm
fallen sun
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Would the TrimUI Smart Pro play all 50 games full speed? Interested in getting a UFO50 machine, and that one has 16:9 and higher power than most

round creek
supple urchin
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Bushido ball has vs

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you can sort by games with multiplayer, too

chrome helm
#

I'll have a try today

nova kindle
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TIL muOS doesn't yet support BT controllers on the SP

paper tusk
#

Hey so excited to see this come to Portmaster! I'm still pretty new to this so just want to clarify... can I just load up the windows game files for this? For instance would I follow the example used for Half-Life on the RGC guide? https://retrogamecorps.com/2024/07/12/portmaster-starter-guide/

Retro Game Corps
Russ
PortMaster Starter Guide

Last updated: 24JUL2024 (see Changelog for details) Itā€™s been a few years since I made a proper PortMaster guide, and there have been lots of updates to the platform since then. PortMaster stā€¦

round creek
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Follow the readme that comes with the port

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Also listed there

paper tusk
#

Sorry if I'm coming off as dense but all I see there is "Purchase the game on Steam and add the game data to ports/ufo50/gamedata." Do I just do this with the Windows gamedata?

round creek
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Yeah it assumes youā€™ve used the PortMaster app on your device to download the port first

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Then you copy paste your windows data into the gamedata folder

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Then you run it

paper tusk
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Perfect, thanks so much! Will try it out, so excited to see this land so quickly. Great work!

round creek
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Thank you!

fallen sun
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Hello, is there a noticeable performance difference between 35xxsp and trimui smart pro for this game? Do all games slow down when framerate slows down?

round creek
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Performance depends on the size of the rooms the engine loads into memory. Ninpek, Zoldath, and Velgress are all examples of this. The more vram you have the better performance youā€™ll see.

kindred void
supple urchin
kindred void
round creek
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Not to my knowledge.

kindred void
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Hmmm.. I should finally buy the game and just throw it at ace

round creek
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Game has good sales for launch week

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Playercount is high

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PortMaster releases it

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Slight sales boost

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Lower playercount

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Wtf.jpg

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This is why I'd love to have some kind of lightweight steam integration :p

chrome helm
round creek
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So hdmi to tv multiplayer might work well.

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Neat.

kindred void
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-hmmmmm... despite being on 24.10.07-1145 and having love_11.5 in runtime folder, rocknix seem to have issues running it on all my devices
env: can't execute '/roms/ports/PortMaster/runtimes/love_11.5/love.': No such file or directory

yet its there and folder looks identical to one on muos where it patches merrily

image.png
round creek
kindred void
supple urchin
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looks like it's looking for love. while you have love.x86_64 and love.aarch64

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maybe the script is not filling in the arch correctly

round creek
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Seen some reports the patcher doesnā€™t work on trimui either

chrome helm
kindred void
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I should have bought this earlier šŸ™‚

chrome helm
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It was working in the N-1 port build for me on rocknix

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I haven't tested the last version of UFO with last port build on rocknix

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hum, indeed šŸ˜„

supple urchin
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got my R36s updated with latest arkos and latest portmaster, downloading the ufo 50 from the frontend now :]

chrome helm
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even pm_platform_helper and pm_finish are missing on rocknix doggokek

chrome helm
dusty holly
supple urchin
chrome helm
supple urchin
round creek
# supple urchin

My coffee machine wouldn't brew this morning and made a loud hissing sound like it was gonna explode, so I grabbed the kids and made a walmart trip to buy a new one. Coffee is critical.

chrome helm
supple urchin
#

patching on R36s took roughly 20 minutes, didn't time precisely

high oriole
round creek
supple urchin
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trying out pilot quest first, definitely slower than fullspeed

dusty holly
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The r36 is going to struggle if the H700 stuff has slowdownsšŸ˜„

supple urchin
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didn't expect it not to, just reporting

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i have one thing to try

sudden tapir
round creek
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Had an inspiration. Saw some asking about steam achievement compatibility, decided to delegate arcade mode to an ini file instead of launch argument since we can't make use of it. Using arcade mode just treats the game like an arcade cabinet I believe and won't affect your save file, so you won't have to worry about "missing" achievements. Can be toggled on or off.

kindred void
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So patching takes about 5minuts on 3588, I expect its gonna be even faster on SD865

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unsuprisingly minigames like Ninpek, Valbrace or Zoldath run juuuust fine

rich beacon
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I just had no luck on trying to install on RG 353P, will try again in a bit. It didn't boot to the installer/compressor

chrome helm
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not related to this port in particular

rich beacon
#

ArkOS, will update everything and try again

chrome helm
rich beacon
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That was my fail, I hadn't booted up in a while and didn't run the usual

rich beacon
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Running the patch now, you folks are the bee's knees.

limpid shoal
#

does this run on Rocknix? What about MuOS?

rustic lark
round creek
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It will work on muos, rocknix I think has an issue with the latest PortMaster app. Donā€™t know the latest status of that.

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If you do the patching on muos and send the data over to rocknix itā€™ll run

limpid shoal
#

great to hear, I'll try as soon as I can!

chrome helm
supple sphinx
supple urchin
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hard to play with one paw

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@round creek

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"RK3326 is too weak for this game" lol

round creek
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Cool

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Did you patch it further or something?

supple urchin
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yup

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removed all the shader code

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sped the game up a LOT

round creek
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Oh nice

supple urchin
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the bottleneck in ufo50 is all gpu

round creek
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Iā€™m happy to do an update

supple urchin
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i'll send you details once i test further

round creek
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Does that fix the other games too?

supple urchin
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which one was slowest?

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velgress?

round creek
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Zoldath

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Porgy, Velgress, ninpek too

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Any with large rooms

supple urchin
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ouuhh i see yeah, hadn't tried zoldath yet

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no that one is a slog

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i think for those with large rooms etc the bottleneck will be in cpu

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or swap

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but everything that was just under fullsped on R36s is now playable

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well. ok no that's a bold claim. i only tested mini & max lol

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but the intro sequence is also majorly sped up. that has a lot of moving stuff

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campanella seems full speed

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the R36s wasn't getting anything fullspeed before. now a lot of it is

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i count that as a win

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and i can add an option in the menu for bilinear filtering (it's just forced false on every frame originally)

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makes it look great if you can't have integer scaling

round creek
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Thatā€™s some solid work youā€™ve done there. Thanks!

supple urchin
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hm onion delivery is really slow even just on the initial cutscene. and then it crashes

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i wonder what the game is loading up to chug that much. there's gotta be some bad loops somewhere

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i know it has a big room but i wouldn't expect it to be loaded before it's shown, which means something else must be the cause of slowdown

round creek
supple urchin
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nearly 20 years of software engineering with a side hobby of game programming haha

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i might have never had poked at GML before but it's all pretty much the same :]

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the main thing is that to prepare for the CRT shader call the game draws its content into an intermediary surface, and then draws that with shaders on, or just stretches it

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if you get rid of all that and just do one surface draw call, since we're forgetting about shaders anyway, it cuts a lot of the gpu load

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and i just poked at it for like 20 minutes, i'm sure there's more optimizations to be had

round creek
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Hereā€™s the thing, Iā€™d like the devs to not go YYC with updates. Being able to poke at it and optimize it actually helps them, too. Anything that does work better for loops etc without compromising the original game is something that should be sent up the chain.

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Maybe it wonā€™t convince them, maybe it will. But itā€™ll help the game.

supple urchin
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upstream all the PRs!!! šŸŒ 

supple urchin
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porgy is quite slow but at least it runs

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pilot quest doesn't slow down much when going into wilderness, wonder if the screen transitions there have proper optimization for swapping rooms or something

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on a second try i got onion delivery to run, it's slow but playable

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i wonder how much can be done to optimize big rooms without manually splitting them

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mini and max and pilot quest are both full speed-ish playable on R36s, when people said it couldn't be done :]

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i'm gonna feel good about that for a while

supple urchin
#

oh huh that's... certainly a way to store your attract mode replays

image.png
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it's 3834 lines long if you're wondering

chrome helm
#

Itā€™s always a bunch of global variables

supple urchin
#

starting to think the games that are unplayably slow are not necessarily due to the size of the room itself but the amount of objects that get instanced

supple urchin
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overbold runs great, i just suck at it too much to play long

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velgress is slow but not unplayable? i think it's because every single platform is an object

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porgy and ninpek have hundreds of objects loaded

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i have some ideas for those, but right now all i've done was make it crash

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interestingly i thought caramel caramel would run slow because of the stage length but that runs perfect

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fist hell runs slow except in the survival mode gym

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wow, elfazar's hat runs full speed

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i really doubt it's the room size but rather how each game handles objects

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i'm really happy i can play most of these portable now, i want to keep poking at it to try getting the others to run well too

round creek
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I think games should be deactivating objects outside the camera viewā€¦maybe not all games do that.

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I also read last night that draw texture flush is ideally in the create event for every room.

supple urchin
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i traced the wrapper function made to deactivate objects outside view and yeah i think not all games make use of it, or at least use it well

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that's what i was going to explore next, tomorrow

supple urchin
#

so i've done a bit of a refactor on all the screen code - the game expects to be windowed so it's calculating the scaling every single frame

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handheld screens don't physically change size, so that has moved to a place where it only calculates that when it changes (when you pick an option)

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works out well except for the game init, which scales weird until you pick an option. working on fixing that now before i send jeod my updates

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i think the display is initialized with a "window size" that's bigger than the screen, which is where the problem lies

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(this lines up with the buffer resize stuff Jeod saw too)

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by the way, the scale x2+ slowdown i don't think had anything to do with the screen actually being scaled. it had to to with x2 and up activating the shaders

sage flicker
#

Hey all, just updated through Portmaster and now UFO50 just loads a black screen with no sound.

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ArkOS, RG353PS. I'll get my log in just a sec.

round creek
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Looks like it didn't zip the audiogroups correctly, can you upload your patchlog.txt?

sage flicker
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I patched the game previously, this only happened after I updated. But I can get the patchlog, one moment.

round creek
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Ah if you redownload the port it replaces game.apk, which the audiogroup files get zipped into.

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That means you have to repatch it sadly.

sage flicker
#

Oh dang. So I'll have to re-patch after every update?

round creek
#

You can back up your game.apk and add it back afterwards

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That file will most likely not change after updates

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Then when you copy gamedata over only copy the data.win file etc and leave the audiogroup files out of it

supple urchin
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what if we name our base apk something other than game.apk so that it doesn't replace a patched one containing audio

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since that's never the one gmloader is meant to be running anyway, so it doesn't need to be named game.apk

sage flicker
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I may wait a few days for the shader changes to be fully implemented before I re-patch, then. , but I appreciate the help!

supple urchin
#

i already sent off that update to Jeod, we're just making sure everything works and it should go out later today

round creek
#

<@&1216123318122577972> mavica did some adjustments for the xdelta for performance, the new xdelta is live if you want to give it a try for lower power devices.

supple urchin
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the games that were unplayable on H700 will still be, but everything else should become playable on RK3266

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for those particular games, specific optimizations will be necessary for each game i suspect

supple sphinx
round creek
#

On repo in pin

willow pebble
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havent tried with the new adjustments yet though

supple urchin
#

i don't think RAM amount will help, i think it's a CPU bottleneck with the amount/logic for every object in certain games

raven pantherBOT
supple urchin
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logical

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anyway it's less to do with the games' sizes and more with how they're coded

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i'll investigate more.. can't promise everything will be playable, but it's already a lot better

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like at a certain point it's down to the devs optimizing their game, not always is it a drop-in solution like disabling the shader code

round creek
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@civic marten chill the logbot bro

willow pebble
#

these days pc games seem to be more and more poorly optimized and we are just expected to throw beefier hardware at the poor optimization

round creek
#

I love reading about how the old game carts worked, how programmers had to do interesting hacks and stuff to cram all their game onto the cart.

supple urchin
#

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth's_law

Wirth's law

Wirth's law is an adage on computer performance which states that software is getting slower more rapidly than hardware is becoming faster.
The adage is named after Niklaus Wirth, a computer scientist who discussed it in his 1995 article "A Plea for Lean Software".

civic marten
loud sky
#

Interesting, so the h700 is actually slower than the 3326?

supple urchin
#

the new patch will improve gpu usage for all chips

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but the games that are slow for reasons other than gpu usage will still be slow

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so the games that were already too slow for h700 will still be even on lower chips

chrome helm
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h700 is supposed to be more powerfull than rk3326 isn't it ?

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A53 vs A35

supple urchin
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yes it is, my wording meant that those games that are bad even on the good chip won't get better

chrome helm
#

same freq though

vagrant pulsar
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On paper theyā€™re very similar. But the h700 seems to outperform it in real world usage.

chrome helm
velvet peak
#

There is no way to tell gmloader to ignore shaders in some way? Are all games using unique codes for them?

supple urchin
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it was less about using shaders and more all the ancillary code that drew everything into a buffer and then that buffer into the screen, in preparation of using shaders if you had them enabled. i made it simply draw directly to the screen and removed any buffer or shader calling code instead

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i can't imagine how a loader would do that automatically without decompiling and analysing the code

round creek
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The old version of gmloader disabled depth

supple urchin
#

which is a call you can add, rather than remove and rework code

round creek
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Mhm

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I donā€™t think gms has a similar call for disabling shaders

rancid coral
#

How long does it take to install patches?
Black screen for about 10 minutes now.

vagrant pulsar
#

about 30 minutes.... but it shouldnt be a black screen?

rancid coral
vagrant pulsar
#

have you got the latest portmaster version?

rancid coral
vagrant pulsar
#

What CFW?

rancid coral
round creek
#

If you got a black screen then the game booted but couldn't find the audiogroup.dat files. Upload your patchlog.txt.

round creek
rancid coral
round creek
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That's log.txt

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Patchlog.txt will tell us what went wrong.

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Also, be sure you're using the newest game data

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Old versions won't work

rancid coral
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A beautiful patch menu has appeared

round creek
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Nice

dusty holly
round creek
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Oh interesting they reverted their runtime to 2024.6

round creek
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It's in

limpid shoal
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I installed the new MuOS version on an rg40xx, I installed Ufo 50 from Portmaster and moved my game files from Steam in the folder. I booted it, i went through the patching menu but the patching itself took only a few seconds instead of several minutes as it said, now if i boot the game i get an opening screen, then it crashes

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any idea about what i need to do to make it run?

round creek
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Read the message right above you, the game got an update and I just put in the new xdelta like 30 minutes ago. It isn't live on the app yet.

limpid shoal
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so I should just wait for the app to be updated or is there something I can do to fix it manually? I'm sorry but i'm not super familiar with github and I don't understand if there's something to download there

round creek
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Check the pin and use my github repo, it's up to date.

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Due to filesize limits I can't upload it here.

limpid shoal
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I see, I appreciate the will to help but I'm really not tech-savvy enough I guess, I'll wait for the app to be updated XD

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"use my github repo" doesn't really mean anything to me lol

round creek
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Then you install it manually.

limpid shoal
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oh ok, thanks, I couldn't find the download link and I was feeling super dumb šŸ˜„

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btw thanks a lot for this, I've been waiting for Ufo 50 for ages

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it finally being released and available on Portmaster so quickly is pretty amazing

round creek
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It just got pushed to the gui

sturdy spoke
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anyone get it to work on ArkOS? Yesterday I setup most of my Rocknix devices with 1.2.2.1 but today, all the ArkOS systems just boot and finish patching in less than a second

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with the 1.3.1 update, does that mean I have to update from 1.2.2.1 again?

round creek
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I have yet to come up with a good system for patching only data.win.

sturdy spoke
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thanks... i been caught up mid update I guess... it was quite annoying

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hahah

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will my previous installs (1.2.2.1) stop working if I update the ports files, going forward?

round creek
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Yes

sturdy spoke
trim mauve
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@round creek i'm installing it now on my 353m, I used the latest patch and the most recent version on your github

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Any idea where performance is at on this chipset?

round creek
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No clue

halcyon epoch
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i've tried to reinstall this on my RGB30 (ArkOS) 5-6 times after updating portmaster. still kicks me to the ports menu. I copied all my steam installed files into the gamedata folder but the patch ends in 5 secs everytime

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am i missing something?

round creek
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Are you using the latest data?

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If you check your patchlog.txt it'll tell you, most likely the xdelta is failing.

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Should be using game version 1.3.1

halcyon epoch
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i used the build posted in the github above and also 1.3.1

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also tried the one directly from portmaster

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everything dumped in /ports/ufo50/gamedata

supple urchin
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post your patchlog.txt

halcyon epoch
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GAMEDIR is set to: /roms2/ports/ufo50
chmod: changing permissions of '/dev/uinput': Operation not permitted
Removed unecessary files
Applying xdelta patch
Failed to apply patch
xdelta3: target window checksum mismatch: XD3_INVALID_INPUT
xdelta3: normally this indicates that the source file is incorrect
xdelta3: please verify the source file with sha1sum or equivalent

round creek
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You sure it's the latest steam data?

halcyon epoch
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yeah i literally downloaded the game 10 mins ago on steam

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weird.

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browse local files > copied everything in there

dusty holly
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What is the md5 of your data.win

halcyon epoch
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b2408e0357ef3cb62bae6af109cd5819

round creek
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This is my data.win, latest steam ver

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My md5 is b2408e0357ef3cb62bae6af109cd5819

halcyon epoch
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looks the same as mine?

round creek
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Yeah, that's odd

supple urchin
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then you might not have the correct version of the patch

halcyon epoch
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code > local > download zip is what i just tried

round creek
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One moment...

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Working here

supple urchin
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try deleting everything and downloading from scratch to make sure you're not keeping any old files

halcyon epoch
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Ok will try again

halcyon epoch
# round creek

Am I supposed to download a separate patcher on my pc to patch it?

round creek
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My pic just shows the currently live patch is working with the current game data

halcyon epoch
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Ok cool. Will try again. Could it be an ark os issue?

supple urchin
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shouldn't be, i'm on arkos

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works fine here

round creek
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arkos has a few forks

supple urchin
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well true

round creek
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But the portmaster xdelta patcher is the same throughout

supple urchin
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it shouldn't depend on anything at the OS level (that each os would differ on) anyway and the error is clearly a file mismatch, that's got nothing to do with the os

round creek
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Depends on how xdelta calculates the md5 I suppose

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For all I know it could rely on a shared library that is older on their arkos.

supple urchin
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i can't imagine md5 hashing has changed in the last two decades

dusty holly
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Ive never seen md5 behave differently, it would have to be old portfiles

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Or corrupted something

supple urchin
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and we're a long way since the Pentium fdiv bug for different computers to do math differently

dusty holly
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And for new games that still get updates, to avoid these issues. I would personally stick to one manifest, or add new delta patches for every new version.

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But thats up to you jeod, i would personally take the easy manifest routešŸ˜„ Im sure you dont want to keep updating this either

round creek
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Some things could end up improving performance.

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I would probably end up making some script to generate the patch for me though.

dusty holly
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Alright, i would try to keep it backwards compatible though šŸ™‚

round creek
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At the moment it only takes a few minutes to generate.

dusty holly
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Just a simple "md5 matches use this patch"

round creek
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That's even more effort

dusty holly
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Well you cant expect people to stay updated on both sides and always have a match, not when updates come out every week on a popular port

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But ill shut up, its your portšŸ˜„

round creek
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That's why it's helpful for others to know how to make the patches

round creek
halcyon epoch
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thanks for the help earlier

supple urchin
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huh, not sure what's going on here... getting some weird "failed to fullscreen" errors on rocknix and then gmloadernext just segfaults. not immediately clear why. wasn't happening on arkos

šŸ“Ž log.txt
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not sure if the fullscreen errors are related to the segfault or not

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all game data looks fine, patching had no errors

round creek
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Rocknix uses sway

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Theyā€™re a little different

supple urchin
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would that cause a crash though? on a rpi i ran gmloadernext under a desktop environment without issues

round creek
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Depends how they implemented it

supple urchin
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hrm

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i remember ufo 50's gmloadernext being different somehow, is it just a newer build (can i use the master branch from johnny's repo) or is it modified?

round creek
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Itā€™s only slightly modified, you can compare my fork to the upstream

supple urchin
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ah, i see, found your repo

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gonna see if i can brush up on gdb

chrome helm
supple urchin
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as soon as i can even get the darn thing to compile so i can get debug symbols... or do we have those precompiled somewhere

round creek
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Used to, a while ago.

supple urchin
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oh ffs i forgot --recursive.

round creek
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With no matching mode it's probably the sdl window

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sdl_win = SDL_CreateWindow("GMLoader", 0, 0, mode.w, mode.h, SDL_WINDOW_OPENGL | SDL_WINDOW_RESIZABLE | SDL_WINDOW_MAXIMIZED);

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Could try export SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland in the sh in case it's defaulting to x11 or something

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@rugged horizon Would you happen to know why gmloadernext crashes with no matching mode for window?

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Its source is available

supple urchin
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got further into compiling it but now it's throwing a bunch of errors for the openal thunk

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i probably just have the wrong versions of everything

chrome helm
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It builds straight in docker with Ubuntu 20.04 aarch64

supple urchin
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i'm using an aarch64 chroot, i didn't see anything in the readme about docker

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or a dockerfile anywhere

chrome helm
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Here is the build from jeod's repo with this command make -f Makefile.gmloader ARCH=aarch64-linux-gnu OPTM="-O0 -ggdb"

šŸ“Ž gmloader
chrome helm
supple urchin
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well, saying it works with docker without providing a dockerfile with the settings doesn't help replicate it šŸ˜‚

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looks like i still need a generated debug.gdb, this shows nothing

0x00000000406faa80 in ?? ()
(gdb) backtrace
#0  0x00000000406faa80 in ?? ()
#1  0x0000aaaaab8a81e2 in ?? ()
Backtrace stopped: previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)
chrome helm
round creek
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The readme says you can use a script included in the repo as a breakpoint trick

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Since gmloadernext hooks libyoyo.so you really need to kinda "jump" to that I think

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With gmloadernext as the entrypoint

supple urchin
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right, that's the file that's missing. i see now

round creek
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Well do you have options.ini?

supple urchin
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yeah fuck's sake. that's on me

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i just tracked it to that

round creek
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Newer gms versions require it, but it can be completely empty

supple urchin
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i love to chase a wild goose

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at least now i'm set up for debugging!!!!

high oriole
round creek
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Oh you're gonna regret saying that

high oriole
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so that you get further information on certain crashes

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but getting the libs to be mapped to gdb is increeeeeeedibly useful - gives a lot of context on crashes

supple urchin
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good lord velgress' level generation is a mess

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no wonder it's so slow as soon as you get past the title screen

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it's got nothing to do with room size it's generating hundreds of instances of objects and printing a trace for every single one of them

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take a look at gml_Object_o15_Player_Step_0, there's your problem

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i'm not sure there's a way to make velgress perform any better short of, optimizing the actual game lol

round creek
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Time to ask mossmouth for a job

supple urchin
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i don't know how much of a gain it'll be but there are so many elseifs that would be better served with switches, and i wonder if cutting back just that much in variable access every single logic frame is going to help any

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i'll poke at it tomorrow but i think i understand what the game is doing better now

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i definitely saw at least a small improvement in starting the game simply by removing the trace log

chrome helm
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Iā€™m not usually an RGB led fan but I have to admit that with this default yellow setup from muOS it looks nice šŸ˜Š

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supple urchin
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blue and yellow is a nice combo

chrome helm
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But now thx to muOS showing this nice combination I really like it ā˜ŗļø

rich beacon
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You folks rule

hybrid delta
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@round creek truly sir, you are a king amongst men

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round creek
hybrid delta
supple urchin
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and women :]

round creek
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Itā€™s really not a big deal to those of us with experience doing it though.

round creek
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@supple urchin I might have a chunk of time this weekend to take a look at Velgress and ninpek if you need another set of eyes ^^

supple urchin
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yep i got some ideas

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if you want to read it up look for things marked o15 and rm15, the code is in dire need of good old fashioned optimization

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i know what I'd like to do for a first pass

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ideally the game would not do everything in step scripts but since we can't do much about, you know, redesigning the whole game, we'll just have to make the step code better

round creek
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Utmt might not let us change much, it has a habit of freaking out since the 2024.8 decomp isnā€™t released yet, weā€™re relying on a pr artifact

supple urchin
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and i worry about how this gets into the realm of recoding the game, but, otherwise i can't think what else to do

supple urchin
round creek
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As long as itā€™s vm itā€™s moddable

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I draw the line with drm enforcement but to me everything else is fair game if it doesnā€™t alter the presentation

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We can always forward things up the chain too

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As the port gains popularity itā€™ll be easier to justify optimization solutions

supple urchin
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fair enough, i worry about how much becomes new work over the original game, and maintainability in the face of updates

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but yeah if we can get a good rapport with mossmouth over this that'll be cool

round creek
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Oh I agree there must be a line where we pretty much do what the devs ought to be doing, but this isnā€™t a sanctioned port in the first place

supple urchin
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i am fairly convinced that all the games that run badly on rk3326 right now are due to heavy code, seeing as some of them run perfectly and also the same games show slowdowns even on pc with low end hardware

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if big rooms was an issue mini and max would not run as well as it does

round creek
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Right itā€™s a causality, big rooms means more instances of objects

supple urchin
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yeah exactly

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and there is a better way to make those games, seeing as mini and max is better optimised

round creek
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We can deactivate whatā€™s offscreen and thatā€™s done for some games I think but not all

supple urchin
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i think that doesn't help games like velgress and ninpek where the player step code has almost all of the game logic in it

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in velgress the player step code is in charge of spawning the boss

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it's ridiculous

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right now i'm away from my computer dealing with an issue but i'm eager to poke at it this weekend

round creek
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I wonder how the devs would take it if you just bust into the bug report channel and rant about the code like that

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Not even explaining how you know

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ā€œHey in Velgress thereā€™s a trace for every instance in the game and the boss spawn is in the player logic this makes the game pretty slowā€

supple urchin
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lol i can't imagine it would be taken very well

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i already worry enough as it is for decompiling the game to port it

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i think getting to send these patches back up to them is a pipe dream

round creek
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I agree

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But I know people have bought the game because this exists

supple urchin
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we could also be potentially undermining a console port if that's ever planned, not that dinky little Linux handhelds are in the same market, but, i'm sure someone would see it that way

round creek
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It is planned but the mainstream consoles are a massive market share.

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Theyā€™ll also have local multiplayer and their own friend system and achievements.

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Oh oh I can say I need to have a look at the maintain aspect code because on a 1:1 display it probably canā€™t do the right calculations.

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I think I remember that code relies on w or h being greater than the other

supple urchin
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it checks for the aspect ratio instead now

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it should work

round creek
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@civic yacht could tell us

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He has a rgb30

round creek
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@supple urchin

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dusty holly
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Gotta admit he took that pretty well

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Not all devs would react like this :p

round creek
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Itā€™s lucky and fortunate that the ones weā€™ve reached out to have been kind.

high oriole
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it's always funny to see how people react when you suggest optimizations to closed source games doggokek

dusty holly
round creek
dusty holly
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Not everyone knows this

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Thor from heartbound called it unpirateable, just because he put some checks in the codešŸ˜„

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Yeah, doesnt work when its bytecode

round creek
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True, a lot of devs using gms only scratch the surface of what it can do.

supple sphinx
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I wonder if the dev would be interested in seeing everything we do over here at Portmaster so they could grasp the scope?

high oriole
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as much as some devs find it really cool and whatnot, it's pretty common for them not to get too involved, there are costs associated with supporting a platform, and it's not trivial

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and being even slightly too involved might give folks the wrong idea

round creek
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Yeah

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They also have way too much on their plate as it is

round creek
supple urchin
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happy patch day

round creek
trim mauve
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i have no access to this link what is it lol

round creek
cursive cradle
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What's the best way to update in this case, backup the saves, uninstall and reinstall?

round creek
trim mauve
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Sure but I feel like I'm an honorary UFO 50 port dev

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I made many sacrifices

round creek
trim mauve
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lol i hear ya just always curious how work on the port is going

round creek
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In the meantime the updated xdelta is in the GitHub repo if you donā€™t care about repacking everything. You can back up your .sav files in the gamedata folder easily.

open veldt
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I had so much trouble getting this working....

Finally the only thing that did was "finding an alterative download source that wasn't Steam" (I do own it)

Worked fine for an hour... and now it's back to being stuck on the Boot Screen.

round creek
left topaz
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does anyone have an archive for the 1.3.1 version?

rustic lark
left topaz
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I am looking for the port package

rustic lark
left topaz
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thank you!

rustic lark
round creek
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Do you think it's safe to not check for md5sum for the patch since we don't currently touch any of the game code aside from settings?

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I think it's unlikely mossmouth will end up modifying the scripts we modify, and if they do the patch notes should tell us.

round creek
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Update for v1.4.1 data is in.

chrome helm
chrome helm
round creek
chrome helm
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you need to have the game.apk temporary somewhere else

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I came to this because someone asked about this case in port-help

round creek
chrome helm
round creek
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Or just say in the readme to go here and download the xdelta and put it here

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The game.apk was updated in v1.4.1 to the correct runtime btw, previously it used 2024.6

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UMT misread it

formal elbow
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Thanks for this port, it's incredible. I noticed a small issue -- if you have two controllers, then the system assignment to player 1 / player 2 is ignored. For me, this means there's no way to use a bluetooth controller to play single player

round creek
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Iā€™d think thatā€™s actually working as expected, but does pc act different?

formal elbow
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I'm on handheld (knulli). In the system settings, if I set the bluetooth controller to be P1 and the built in controls to be P2, then most systems/games use that assignment.

round creek
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Do any other gamemaker ports use that system correctly?

formal elbow
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Spelunky, super crate box both allow you to use the second controller, but it seems like maybe they just accept input from any controler

chrome helm
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let me test this ^^

formal elbow
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i would be very happy with a non-user-friendly solution šŸ™‚

chrome helm
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ok the non-user friendly method works

chrome helm
formal elbow
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yes

chrome helm
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ok so we can try something, just a minute šŸ™‚

formal elbow
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sure

chrome helm
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you just put hacksdl.aarch64.so into ufo50 and UFO 50 hacksdl.sh in ports , refresh you gamelist (or reboot) and launch the game using this script when you want to use the bluetooth gamepad as player one. Note that the UFO 50 hacksdl.sh will not be updated by Jeod šŸ˜„ (in case of port update)

šŸ“Ž hacksdl.aarch64.so šŸ“Ž UFO_50_hacksdl.sh
formal elbow
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works perfectly šŸ™‚

chrome helm
formal elbow
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i will test a bit more but that is awesome, thank you so much!

chrome helm
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you're welcome šŸ™‚

cursive cradle
supple urchin
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@round creek LOL

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off by a few hours

round creek
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Ok, update is in the oven

ebon elk
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which games run well on the H700 (RGXX anbernic line) lots of them run slow for me on the RGXXSP. Has anyone made a list by any chance?

boreal nova
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Has anyone else been able to run UFO 50 using Knulli? The patching process took 1 minute on my RG40XX V, so I assume something is going wrong on that end.

civic yacht
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The patching can take up to 15 minutesā€¦

formal elbow
ruby lagoon
supple urchin
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use steam console download_depot 1147860 1147861 6507875270007530485 to get version 1.4.2

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the patcher expects that version

round creek
civic yacht
final skiff
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Was there any recent optimization? I installed this about 2 months ago (RGB30 running Arkos), reinstalled it now and the games that used to run slower (Golfaria, Ninpek, Planet Zoldath) have significantly improved performance. It's not 100% speed but they're playable when they didn't use to be šŸ˜„

round creek
cursive cradle
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It doesn't seem noticeably faster to me at least in Ninpek on my rh35xx-h, I didn't try any others though

obtuse mortar
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hellooo! is it 32 bit? does this work on tsp?

supple sphinx
obtuse mortar
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it keeps rebuilding audio from 0000 like in a loop. is this behavior normal?

lethal ridge
cedar elbow
wintry spade
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can this work on minui? initially it booted into the update screen and after the update was completed it is just crashing

void pier
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What version does the patcher expect right now?

chrome helm
void pier
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All right, for some reason it didn't work first time, it could be that the last version just finished downloading after my attempt and I didn't notice.

chrome helm
forest lake
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Hello, i'm new to using portmaster and i'm trying to run Ufo50 on my RG35XX SP with the newest Stock OS. The patching process maybe doesn't even start (see pic from "log.txt").
Is it not possible to use this port on Stock OS?

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dusty holly
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Portmaster does not support the stock os. Try knulli or muos šŸ™‚

forest lake
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Ok thanks for the info (: