Letting the user choose the double type for a fusion

[rocky flicker]

Ok so in summary letting the player overidde the logic with head/body type and use any of the 4 possibilities

My main reason for asking that is because sometimes there are pokemon you like or sprite you like and you're ready to fuse it but then you got a double type unusable having weakness against 70% of the game, and sometimes you can switch only one type and now the fusion is viable

Also sometimes you want the double type of the reverse fusion but it's an ugly autogen (yes you can switch the sprites in the files but doing it mulitples times could be tiring)

I dont know how hard it is to implment that (maybe it's totally impossible) but it's just a suggestion I make for the future, also I don't know if changing a double type should be specific to that pokemon or it'll be like that for every future same fusion (just do the easier to code don't bother too much about that)

[granite scarab]

it's already planned, just like letting the user choose the stats distributions during fusions. those will be ones of the first new features added once KIF comes out of hiatus, something like december/early 2024

but

[rocky flicker]

ah ok that's nice

[pulsar lion]

also letting the user choose the ability from the full pool would be good

[dreamy marten]

That's basically already available

[pulsar lion]

can you like test shit before you speak? some abilities you can only use if the pokes they come from are the head/body part e.g. you cant get tangled feet on a pidgey fusion if pidgey is not the body

[dreamy marten]

You're literally just factually wrong, and now you're posturing about how I need to do research.

Let me guess, you think Azumarill has to be the head for it to have huge power in the fusion?

[pulsar lion]

explain why i cant have natural cure on chansey/aegislash

go on

oh that's right

you fucking cant by your logic

i suggest you go do your damn research

and stop complaining when other people have objectively better opinions than you

i'm so sick and tired of you saying something is shit or someone is wrong when you haven't done anything to prove it or otherwise

[dreamy marten]

You can

[pulsar lion]

you cant, go try it

fucking

go and

try it

before you fucking say you cant

do it

now

[dreamy marten]

Ill do it when I get off work, you're just wrong as usual

[pulsar lion]

stop typing

send proof that you can before you outright reject it

what's your problem

dont you understand how proving your point works

it's in the fucking name

a proof

you need fucking evidence to prove your point you fucking dimwit

[dreamy marten]

You're illiterate apparently

Unfortunate

[pulsar lion]

i've come to the conclusion that your opinions are generally invalid

unlucky

didnt ask and don't care

not wasting my time with a clown on the internet

[granite scarab]

that's a #1121411196273315910 on its own.

[granite scarab]

then simply ignore. Idk who is wrong and who is right, but I do know which one is throwing aggressiveness and insults, and I'll ask you to please try to just ignore and get out of the situation next time, thanks

[pulsar lion]

nws, this won't happen again, i can assure you of that

[dreamy marten]

To be clear, I am correct. Each pokemon contributes their 1st or second ability depending on whether they're head/body. This means that on initial fusion, it's impossible to get Azumarill as Huge Power if it's the body, because it would contribute it's first ability.

However, you can just reverse the fusion that you initially had, and the pokemon keeps its previous ability. For example, you fuse azumarill as the head, choose huge power, then reverse the fusion and it still has huge power. This also works for Aegi/Blissey and Natural cure or any other ability. It's just a basic reverse that makes the attached possible.

Strangely @pulsar lion does not know basic mechanics like using reversals, but insists upon being aggressive about posturing about his knowledge of the game and insists I should "test before speaking" prior to explaining my basic knowledge

Lmao the game would be so boring if the abilities were just body type specific

[pulsar lion]

that is quite literally a bug

feel free to bug abuse though, my conscience aint gonna stop u

[dreamy marten]

Proof?

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[dreamy marten]

Lmao reversing fusions is a bug!!!

That's literally the main usage of the item my dude

Idk if you never played the game before or something

[pulsar lion]

quick search in if dc

there are more cases

theres my proof

hey look

i didnt make it the fuck up

now if you'll excuse me

im going to spend my time more productively than arguing with you over your opinions

and don't ping me again

[dreamy marten]

Some random guy said a thing 5 months ago about a "bug", that nobody else has ever mentioned since to try to "fix the bug"

Peak discourse

Just admit you were wrong holy shit

[pulsar lion]

i'm not wasting any more time or energy

believe what you like

[dreamy marten]

LMAO ANOTHER PERSON MENTIONED IT A YEAR AGO

Indisputable proof

Not in any of the updates in the LAST YEAR lmao

[granite scarab]

Alright so I think it's time to settle this.
first thing first, as of June 2023 and above, Wonder Guard with more than 1 HP is impossible, because whenever the stats are calculated, if Wonder Guard gets detected, it will force the HP to be 1. now coming from a screenshot of a year ago it's irrelevant anyway I guess.

second, looking at the code, and knowing frogman, yeah abilities not being updated with reverser is a bug, it doesn't prevent the fact that this "unwanted feature" exists and works, giving Nedsdag a point here, the debate over whether this is a bug or not doesn't give any value nor does it change the fact that as of right now, this "technique" works in both PIF&KIF. in fact, speaking of bugs, did you guys know that the legendaries being able to breed when they were the head of a fusion was also an unwanted bug ? it didn't prevent this "feature" from being talked about by everyone to the point where the official YANMEGA bot of the PIF server was talking about that feature, and that's why this feature is KIF-exclusive now. The nincanda dupe glitch is also a bug, and to be fair, alot of bugs in both KIF and PIF can take months if not years to be solved, because some stuffs have more priorities than others, and those ones aren't really game breaking.

third, for this to have the highest chance of eventually being a feature, it needs its own #1121411196273315910.

I think I went over everything here, okay it might be a bug, but that doesn't remove the fact that it exists, which is what @dreamy marten was mentioning at first. and okay, this way of reversing allows to choose abilities, but that doesn't make suggesting the feature as a direct choice-select irrelevant, which is what @pulsar lion was talking about.

now if you want to continue that, please go on Twitter or something, you might get muted or banned here, just saying

[pulsar lion]

id prefer not to discuss anything in the future icl, the funny block button was pressed after my last message here

[dreamy marten]

I find it really hard to believe that it is a bug when it hasn't been fixed in over a year+, none of the updates that address bugs addressed it? It's unintended when virtually everyone agrees it makes the game better because it actually makes all of the ability combinations possible. Why would they even want to change it?

But yes, the debate over whether it is a bug is completely irrelevant. Pretty sure the dude couldn't admit he was wrong so he came up with this excuse

[granite scarab]

The legendary head being able to breed, and the nincada dupe are also very old as far as I know. Also it may make the game fun for most people, but it does not for its creator. There's a reason why KIF exists. PIF is frogman's vision, KIF is everyone's else.

Those bugs are taking dust because, as you said, they don't ruin the experience of the players, and they aren't game-breaking, so for the most part frogman just forget about them, until eventually he remembers and whenever he decides he has time for it and nothing better to do, just patch them, most of the time without even telling anyone (for a while moderators didn't know if it was intended that legendary head in fusions couldn't breed anymore, I had to ask frogman myself to then forward the information to his own moderators so that they could give answers to the people in the community that kept asking that quesiton).

KIF is everyone's else.
well not really everyone's else per se, just the visions of its programmers, who respect the rules and agreements that were made between me and frogman (I think it's pinned in #general, some stuffs are not allowed to be worked on in KIF)

[south prawn]

I find this idea kinda dumb but that's my opinion

[dreamy marten]

Yeah I mean things like legendaries being breedable seems obviously unintended, the whole point of legendaries is to be unique. So just based on that, prior to being fixed there'd be a plausible interpretation that it's unintended.

But in this case, it's basically a feature that just allows all abilities to be available to a given fusion combination. There's nothing about that that makes it obviously unintended. And the fact that it hasn't been fixed for years suggests to me that it probably would have been fixed if it actually was a bug, even if there are exceptions to this presumption.(Granted they're ones that are much more obviously bugs)

In this case, it's a mechanic that is literally the main reason people use a DNA reverser. At least to me and others I know. It seems odd that an item being given any substantial purpose were to be a bug.

[mortal inlet]

i appreciate that this is already planned, stat distribution and type choosing is extremely useful for making previously shit fusions more viable

there used to be a stat mod for PIF that would make it always pick the higher stat total of the normal and reverse of a fusion. doubt it'd work anymore because of the stat calculation changes, but it being an actual feature of this mod will be cool