GMOD Propper finished prop is missing textures.

[unborn copper]

I am using propper gmod and in this image the finished mdl prop static is missing its texture, this is happening because this texture is from CSS, but you should know that I have the CSS texture mounted as files onto gmod's gamefiles, and not allocated to be taken from the CSS gamefile, which doesn't make sense why the textures are not found by propper.

BTW, on other models, that CSS texture was working fine and appearing, now it is not when used alone, Why is this happening and how do I solve this?

[unborn copper]

Pending issue, not solved

[modern totem]

did you set a material folder for propper to put a .vmt in it ? check if the .vmt is in that folder

also the vmt would reference the materials/models folder of gmod not css so it might not be finding the .vtf if it can still fine the vmt

[unborn copper]

no

[unborn copper]

how do i set it up from the settings, maybe i have done

[modern totem]

post image of the propper_model settings

[unborn copper]

the css textures are mounted as files into the gmod materials folder

[unborn copper]

will do

[modern totem]

yeah but gmod would search its materials folder not css the path in the vmt would be models/my_prop not css/materials/models/***

[modern totem]

this is where the vmt should be check its there

[unborn copper]

meaninging I have to put the vmt and vtf in the props folder the mdl is in right?

[modern totem]

in the material folder, in the path you set in propper settings

[unborn copper]

by propper settings you mean the one found in hammer and the fgd and stuff or the one this screenshot shows

[modern totem]

yeah in the image you just posted

[unborn copper]

i just realized that yes the vmt and vtf of my desired missing texture are not there, as I copied them manually where the smd and the qc are generated, which is wrong

[modern totem]

yeah

[unborn copper]

I will try to copy them to that folderpath and see what happens

but thank you for answering this help thread, i hope it get solved, you specifically have answered all my help threads for over 2 years

and it always used to get solved

[modern totem]

🙂

[unborn copper]

okay i have pasted them in the folder, time to complile

it didn't work

still missing textures

[modern totem]

post the vmt here

[unborn copper]

it was appearing just fine with another model

but this model uses only this texture

[modern totem]

is that the right vmt that using lightmappedgeneric shader models use vertexlitgeneric shder

[unborn copper]

it is the only one with that name, it is used for brushes in the game, not models, so it should be the former

this texture is a common css brush texture

[modern totem]

if the model in hammer is still pink/ black chequers then its not that material

[unborn copper]

how do i locate the file, i tried opening source folder from the material browswer but it didn't work

[modern totem]

yeah but when propper makes the model its makes a new vmt with the right shader

[unborn copper]

obviously

[modern totem]

1 min

[unborn copper]

Oh my god bro, I am stupid

wait come back

It is completely not the right texture

[modern totem]

?

[unborn copper]

I copied the wrong texture

[modern totem]

ok

[unborn copper]

this one is not even the right one 😢

the funny

Okay seriously, i will locate the correct one and place it in and compile

[unborn copper]

but you were right you skipped a big headache

[modern totem]

🙂

[unborn copper]

it still didn't work

i even tried deleting the model from the folder itself and recompiling it

wait wait wait 'Tat, so here's the thing, that texture has the exact same vmt in several place in my gmod file

so it is taking it from one of them

i have like 8 of this vmt for some reason scattered around my props and materials areas

[modern totem]

yeah you have conflicts with those extra vmt's i'd delete them and try again

[unborn copper]

So guess what, I checked one of them and it lead me to a props folder inside a models one inside the base materials one of gmod, which is totally different from the base models one in gmod and i had no idea there was a difference

inside that props folder i found, there were folders with the name of all my propper made props, with their vmt files in usage

so what i did is like what Alexscott said in his video, you gotta make it yourself, even thought most of the time it does it for you

so what happened? IT WORKED

but the thing is, why wasn't it generating one for me?

[modern totem]

not sure :/

maybe you have to use a manually added folder for the material and not rely on the default propper settings

i think with the default settings of propper put the material in models/ prop/$vmf so the vmt in models/prop/the name of the vmf map file

not models/prop/ what the model name is

[unborn copper]

how is the vmf map file related

and what is the full path starting from C or D till the end, that i gotta put the vmt in

[modern totem]

so not doing default setting you could do something like this

then your model would be put in GarrysMod\garrysmod\models\taz_mdl

and the vmt in GarrysMod\garrysmod\materials\models\taz_mdl\cs_italy not sure why propper made a cs_italy folder

and inside the vmt it'll look like

again not sure why propper made the cs_italy folder :/

[unborn copper]

oh so I could create my material path where I want it to put the textures by itself or i have to incase of an error

[modern totem]

yeah

[unborn copper]

clear till now

[unborn copper]

i was always told or under the impression to name the material path the same name of the model

[modern totem]

taz_mdl is a folder i made to store my models

[unborn copper]

because it comes from cs_italy

[unborn copper]

baseTexture is probably letting it do it

[modern totem]

you can name the materials folder the same as the model but if you do a custom folder like mine taz_mdl you could also have your vmt's put in a materials custom folder

so materials/models/taz_mdl

[unborn copper]

okaaaaay so from this i understand that if i keep the material path in the propper_model settings the same for all of them, now I only have to worry about ONE folder, and i gotta insert all the materials that ever go missing THERE

[unborn copper]

one folder serves all kinda strategy?

[modern totem]

forget what i said here i thought you were using H++ for gmod and it has a different propper settings pop up

[unborn copper]

instead of having to go to that prop-named one i found or make it to begin with then add it

[unborn copper]

I am on default hammer

for some reason they made it cyan

[modern totem]

yeah this is H++ propper set up options

[unborn copper]

much more advanced and confusing

[modern totem]

totally different from the default hammers why of making a propper model

[unborn copper]

There is another prop with another issue, i dont know whether it is simpler or not actually, but its not making any collisions for it

[modern totem]

you could have a collision model thats to complex and its not making it

[unborn copper]

This is a cylindrical barricade, as you can see the propper_model is there and it overlaps with its physics mesh func brush, and the origins are centered for both, yet it is not generating a col model

[unborn copper]

Is this too complex for propper?

[modern totem]

what i do in this case is copy that brush and make another model but in nodraw texture then use the nodraw textured brush as the collision model

[unborn copper]

which should be copied? the propper model or the func brush? the func brush is fully textured in player clip as Alexscott said to do

you mean to discard my func brush altogether, copy a fresh version of the brushwork, tie it to func brush again but instead, texture it with nodraw?

if it is nodraw will that grant collisions?

[modern totem]

i'll do a quick test map for you to look at

ok so i make one wall with these settings

then the nodraw wall withthese setting

drag the nodrawwall over the the stone textured one

[modern totem]

and then when you choose it as a model the phys model i made is an error because of the nodraw texture but the wall with the phys model has a collision mesh now

🙂

[unborn copper]

@modern totem I'm back at work on this project, also you've been helping me on it since 2022 btw

[unborn copper]

i just checked and tried the last instructions, yep it did lead me to this phase, however only an error phys model, no refular one i think

[modern totem]

i a moderator now for this chan too

[unborn copper]

yoooo fr?

big congrats, honestly good idea, 2 years of help on 1 map letalone others

[unborn copper]

i'll try this one more time

[modern totem]

whats the .qc like for the model

[unborn copper]

let me check render it and check it crowbar for you

Yes taz, it did generate 2 mdls, the col one which is just for sake of the cols to be used with the fully textured one

problem is

look at the collisions on the regular modeled one

yes it is creating a bow arch for some reason

[unborn copper]

will see it in crowbar

this is the textured model's qc

[modern totem]

can you update to gmod to 64bit beta

[unborn copper]

they ported it?

[modern totem]

if you can there a didicated hammer plusplus for it with propper++ and this is the model i made using propper ++

in tools

propper++

these are the settings i used

go for the

H++ is good to use other game as well https://ficool2.github.io/HammerPlusPlus-Website/download.html

[unborn copper]

I just switched the game to 86-64x, should i run it once to download the files?

[modern totem]

yeah run gmod then launch the default hammer ,, then install and load hammer plus plus

[unborn copper]

got it, will read messages above in a min

[modern totem]

h++ goes in

[unborn copper]

is propper ++ better?

[modern totem]

yeah its been updated to

[unborn copper]

does this hammer plus plus come with propper ++

[modern totem]

yeah

you don't have to set it up just use propper++

[unborn copper]

Holy smokes hammer ++ is fast and smooth

[unborn copper]

yep there it is

but now, how is the process different in hammer++? why do we use the propper ++ tab? is this how we render them? no more using presets in Run?

[modern totem]

once you filled out the options click

[unborn copper]

within what the propper_model or the propper ++ menu?

[modern totem]

then you can delete the brush work you made and put a prop_static or physics/dynamic which ever you want

propper++ menu

the propper++ model is on the right

[unborn copper]

@modern totem smart edit is disabled in hammer plus plus, essentially everything is appearing like it's Quake Trenchbroom, for example: targetname for Target Entity

[modern totem]

what entity did you make

[unborn copper]

nothing, just viewing entities

viewing func_brush and propper model

only propper model for now

[modern totem]

hmm strange it shouldn't be disabled

[unborn copper]

is it an fgd issue?

[modern totem]

might be

your back to using the old propper not propper++ are you

[unborn copper]

these entities shown in the photo are made using propper and not ++, and no, I am opening the map in hammer ++ to begin using propper++

[modern totem]

ok

[unborn copper]

waittttt.

I just checked something

[modern totem]

so if you want to remake old propper models using propper++ right the entity and move back to world so it becomes normal brushes again ..

[unborn copper]

hammer ++ does not understand them

[unborn copper]

Ctrl shift w, okay will try

[modern totem]

what might have happened when you installed h++ and propper++ it overwrote the original propper.fgd causing the issue you got

[unborn copper]

i didn't mount propper.fgd to hammer++

propper_model was simply an unrecognizeable entity to hammer++

[modern totem]

no h++ would have built in settings for the fgd

[unborn copper]

yes, had i mounted it

I didn't bring it from old hammer

or does hammer ++ have support for default propper models

[modern totem]

you might beable to get h++ to recongise propper_model if you do set up the propper.fgd but that could cuase more unwanted issues

[unborn copper]

assumed so, hence why I accepted the issue, all the previous hammer propper models are already made and functioning, if it aint broke don't fix it, will not touch them

But with that in mind

do you recommend me to start a new asset lib map for hammer ++?

or should i keep using my current one which started with hammer?

[modern totem]

what ever is easier for you, you could make a seperate one with new propper models as you make them

[unborn copper]

I would like to do that

so now, i got 2 brushworks, the arch one you were helping me with for months now, i have the textured one and the nodraw one, how to propper +++

[unborn copper]

I think I figured it all out, based on your previous instructions, and i created my first model, however, after build and compile it is essentially converting my original brushwork also into the new model, i don't know why

i can't see it as brushwork anymore

nvmd I saw what create entity after compile is.

[unborn copper]

Guess what Taz, after 4 months, we did it, finally

[unborn copper]

before and after results of using hammer ++ and propper++

[modern totem]

you don't need to do the nodraw brush with propper++ it does the correct collision model when you compile it

[unborn copper]

I did that yes, the error phys one is the old one from propper default, no need anymore

See how amazing this end result was, this thread has been active since March of this year i believe?

[modern totem]

teah

[unborn copper]

I am really interested to see some of your work actually, have known you for 3 years now and I never checked.

[modern totem]

i did work on a gmod naruto map but that got canceled ,, atm the moment i'm helping out on gmod RP city map, i don't have images of that it to be kept secret until release

this a video of some early work when i worked doing HL Decay levels in source https://www.moddb.com/company/decay-source-revival-team, i did join a mod team to make it into a mod but that fell apart after team fall outs

[unborn copper]

cool color correction or theory, are the trees meant to be transitioned into more withered trees at the back though?

[unborn copper]

I appreciate the detailed and yet confidential honesty here.

[modern totem]

different model skins

[unborn copper]

Yo taz, got more simpler troubleshoots coming up this weekend

[modern totem]

ok

[unborn copper]

@modern totem Guess who figured out how to specify custom collision, other than $self in propper ++ on their own?

[modern totem]

🙂

[unborn copper]

and guess who made this custom and difficult prop to make (in the past and the old propper theory)

It would be a digital crime not mention you on the credits of my map once it's released, it's been 3 years of help

[modern totem]

😁

[unborn copper]

yo Taz, guess who saved over 1200 faces on the map? and about 600 or 450 solids?

[unborn copper]

add to that 258 more solids meaning about 600 more faces

[unborn copper]

Yo Taz does propper ++ allow for props to be turned into props? i have about 100 hl2 metal fences, what i want to do is to make maybe 30 of them one prop. do you get me? is that possible in any way?