Brush textures shrink when converted to Prop?

[silent sierra]

Using propper in CS:S for GMod maps, a chosen few textures simply shrink themselves, for a reason I cannot conclude.

I've checked the .vmt file, file directories, increasing texture size beforehand, among other tests. Although, the brick_ground_a (located at materials\brick\hr_brick\venice ) decides to shrink itself from a texture stretch of 0.25 (x/y) down to 0.015, and I can't figure out why.

Any help would be amazing! Really need more props to convert, so I can lower my brush vertex limit even further.

[delicate bramble]

Use propper++ which is built in the newest hammer++. It is way faster and easier to use as well.

[worn flume]

propper is deprecated, you'll want to use propper++

[silent sierra]

I don't use Hammer++

[worn flume]

you'll find it tough to find help for og propper cus majority have moved on

[silent sierra]

Fair enough.

At least I've worked on this one map for the past 5 years without having needed Hammer++ until now.

[worn flume]

if you are mapping for gmod, theres a new version of h++ that natively works with gmod

[silent sierra]

When did it come out?

[worn flume]

april

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q3gO_OW6ro&t=

[silent sierra]

Thank you!

Oh, btw. While I'm here.

Do you know anything about custom sprites not showing in multiplayer?

Been trying to solve that one for months

Of course, you've already helped me a bunch already. So, regardless I really appreciate it 🙂

[worn flume]

not packed into the map probably

[jade radish]

The reason the scale change would be when the vtf cannot be located
So propper would apply a default scale to the texture

[silent sierra]

Using VIDE, I've tried a bunch of ways to manually include it in the map file.

[silent sierra]

Ooh! I'll look into that.

[jade radish]

TopHattWaffle has a written guide for manual packing with vide
There are some weird stuff with it to be aware of

https://www.tophattwaffle.com/packing-custom-content-using-vide-in-steampipe/

[silent sierra]

Now that I think about it. It might not be that.
The scale drops down to 0.015 when the default is 0.25, and the material files are where they should be in the Garry's Mod materials directory. I've checked the .vmt and done all that too.

Really confuses me. As some other textures just work fine. 🤷‍♂️

[silent sierra]

This was pretty much what I used when I first started using VIDE. And sprites are the only issue, other than decals.

Custom materials, props and sounds pack fine.

[jade radish]

But you use css hammer for propper ? (Propper 2013?)
If so , you should put the texture and material for the prop in css files

That might help hammer locate them

[silent sierra]

Unfortunately not :/

In the program, the textures appear as

Not an issue with most textures, as the .vmt still tracks the directory details, and works in GMod when it jumps over.

But just a couple of textures give up and decide to shrink.

Insanely weird and with no logic to follow.

[jade radish]

Vtf 7.5 ?

Css cannot handle them

And so propper itself wouldn't be able to read it either

[silent sierra]

Would some materials be using a different version as opposed to others?

[jade radish]

You can open the vtf in vtfedit, see under the info tab what version it use

Yeah

[silent sierra]

In that case, could I potentially just degrade the vtf version for the textures?

Gotcha

[jade radish]

If it is the case, for the texture, yeah do downgrade it so you can make a prop

Don't do it for all, it's pointless, since I assume Gmod itself can totally support 7.5

Css support 7.0 to 7.4

[silent sierra]

I used to use propper on GMod, then some update somewhere happened. And it broke.

Eventually found CS:S hammer working

I then just throw the finished props over to the GMod folders

Ah, yep. brick_ground_a is version 7.5

Know of any downside to dropping the file's version?

Seriously though. All of you have been insanely helpful in less than a day!
Really appreciate the help.

I'll see what I can do in the next couple days, and I'll report back on how it goes.

[delicate bramble]

There are no downsides at all

7.4 is the norm

[jade radish]

Pretty much the same
Just internal format change, but they provide the same information to the game as far as I know

[silent sierra]

IT WORKED!

Woo!

Thank you, @jade radish! It absolutely was the .vtf version

Now just gotta test out the custom sprite packing.

[jade radish]

Nice

[silent sierra]

Such a weird way for the texture to react though.

0.015 x/y size is insanely unusual.

[jade radish]

For sprites, if they work in single player and are properly packed, I don't see why it wouldn't work

[jade radish]

Well it likely do some calculation, based on the texture scale in the brush and using a default texture size (256x256 for example), which results in the scale you saw on the model

[silent sierra]

I think what I missed out for VIDE was just clicking cancel. Definitely got me.

Right'o

[jade radish]

Yeah with vide there is that broken popup where you click cancel

It's best if you test your map without your custom content loaded, so you can see like if you were any other player

[silent sierra]

I'll test it in a little bit, and see if that was simply my problem. As I've done multiple things to manually add, causing VIDE to "show" the textures as packed. But not actually doing it.

[jade radish]

If it's not properly packed, then it's gonna be broken

[silent sierra]

Is there actually a way to do that, without another device?

Would be so helpful if there were.

[jade radish]

Of course

Easy way, is you unmount the assets of the game temporarily

Or rename materials and models folder

To temp_materials and temp_models

Since the name are changed, the game doesn't load the files in them

[silent sierra]

Would it then only use the basic vpks?

[jade radish]

I assume you are in Gmod, but in css with the cstrike/custom folder you can easily have all assets in a subfolder of custom. So if you move the folder out of the game, it's no longer loaded

Yeah, it will only load what the game can find. Vpks first. then materials and models folder if they exist

[silent sierra]

I guess my problem usually is just if something properly packed itself for the workshop. Had a bunch of problems with custom sounds in the past, before that was fixed.

Ended up just needing to move the files/folders around.

Dude. Seriously though. There's so much c*** in my map at this point XD

Fully packed, it's 600MBs.

[jade radish]

After packing, you can open the bsp in gcfscape to look at what is packed

See if anything is missing

[silent sierra]

I keep having to optimize due to t-junction and brush vertex limits

[silent sierra]

Ooh. That'd help

[jade radish]

I see, hence using propper to reduce brush count

[silent sierra]

Rather than getting another person to keep checking in on the map.

Yeye

If you added me on Steam, you're always free to check the private uploads.

Haven't uploaded a public version in 3 years.

[jade radish]

Nah its fine. I don't play gmod anyway

[silent sierra]

All good XD

But honestly, I really should upload it at some point. I keep adding stuff

Anyway, hey. Really appreciate the help. Really do.